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8 Nov 2012

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160 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl8 November 2012 at 23:26

    I literally loved everything about that episode, even Garth. He needs to come back.



    And wow, Dean nearly made me cry when he was yelling at Sam. I don't think he meant it, but I'm glad Sam finally called him out on his shit.



    Also, I would like some post episode angsty fix it fics soon.

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  2. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:26

    :) Exactly how I feel, great episode for me too. I felt like old SPN. I'm glad everything is out, so now they can slowly pass on.


    I like Garth better than I thought I would :) He's so cute and akward

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  3. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:26

    Looks like the boys are slowly accepting Garth for who/what he is. Sam reacte just like I thought he would and he laid the cards on the table and is ready to move on.



    As much as I dislike relationship crap they moved Sam and what's her name along in the right direction and at the right speed.


    And I was okay with zero on the mytharc this week. More interested in how Cas got out or what it cost him to get out.

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  4. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:26

    And he drives an El-Camino. I'd give my eye teeth for one of those.

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  5. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:26

    i loved this episode ^^ The boys hunting together (no each going on their own personnal hunt), love to see more of Sam backstory with Amelia, I even loved Garth, he's so cute, some eewww moments, some funny moment..what's not to like? :) (execpt the boys fighting..but it wasn't really Dean so....)

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  6. Dana Ortega8 November 2012 at 23:26

    ALL OF MY FEELINGS HeLP MeEEeE

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  7. ZoeF8 November 2012 at 23:26

    I liked it alot until the fight between Sam & Dean. It seemed to me just a rehashing of the past, without bringing any real meaning to the brother's relationship.

    "Sex & Violence" did it much better. This just felt forced with a rehashing of things already dealt with. It left me feeling like crap in a bad way, and a show isn't supposed to do that, even when there is a confrontation.

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  8. Andrezza8 November 2012 at 23:26

    Finally the brothers being adults, solving the problems as
    adults. I loved the episode, voted in Awesome. ^^

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  9. Jessie8 November 2012 at 23:26

    Finally Sam stood up for himself, but still not liking the Sam / Amelia story. Two lost and hurting souls is so clichéd and unoriginal. Sam not looking for Dean is still lame and out-of-character. I will not fully invest emotionally in this season until I know that Sam has a legitimate in-character reason for not looking for Dean and not helping Kevin.

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  10. Misty Pebworth8 November 2012 at 23:26

    Gave this episode a 'Great'. I'm getting tired of the blood splats across the wall. We get it, its a tradition on the show, it doesn't have to be done very single death. >.< I like garth, dislike him acting like bobby, but understand it. I guess my sour feelings come from missing the real deal.

    Some parts of this episode they seemed to be trying way too hard to give us quotes or something. It just didn't feel natural, when they delivered key or funny lines. It felt like 'Look! Its a quote you guys can use as 'memorable'!'

    Can't believe the boys don't know the ins and outs of spectres. They've even encountered one once or twice before.

    Dean's speel to blame Sam for all things bad felt forced and just didn't jive with me. But I get it, the spectre drudges up old things that really shouldn't matter any more, or that people ahve already gotten over for the most part.

    Sam's speel to Dean at the end was COLD! Oh my gosh I felt the chill from here. But it was very appropriate in some parts. I'm still not buying that Sam would just give up on his brother like that. He keeps sayign he gave his reasons and they should be viewed as justified, but he really hasn't and they really aren't. So he met a girl! So what, he'd already given up before then! All signs point to him having never searched, period, and I think the show producers have messed up with this line of thinking. Its just not plausible, and I feel they're trying to cram the concept down our throats.

    Overall however, I did like the episode. I like the tension at the end. Can't wait for next episode.

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  11. Jessie8 November 2012 at 23:26

    Finally Sam stood up for himself, but still not liking the Sam / Amelia story. Two lost and hurting souls is so clichéd and unoriginal. Sam not looking for Dean is still lame and out-of-character. I will not fully invest emotionally in this season until I know that Sam has a legitimate in-character reason for not looking for Dean and not helping Kevin.

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  12. Andrezza8 November 2012 at 23:26

    And Garth is of great helping for brothers to solve the problems of each with each. Sorry don't know how to express what I mean say. :(

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  13. KatAdams038 November 2012 at 23:26

    I'm not sure how I feel about this episode. I didn't find any of the characters likable, not even Sam and Dean. I hated how Sam brought up Amy, let it go show, let it go, Dean wanted to avoid everything. I hated Dean's speech under the ghost spell. Apparently, Benny is the best brother of them all. That left such a bad taste in my mouth. I hated how Dean blamed Sam for not telling him he was soulless? That makes sense, since Dean was the one to put the pieces together and then he blames Sam not calling when he was soulless after Dean pretty much made it clear he believed that Sam wasn't Sam when he was soulless. So, that speech was a complete failure and clearly stretching it to make that whole "Benny is a better brother to me than you have ever been your entire life" line work. I hate that Dean said that. I really don't have the slightest care for Benny. And then Sam calls Dean out on crap Dean can't remember, huh? I'm sorry but this fight between Sam and Dean was so bloody forced and poorly written, it ruin the entire episode for me. They could have focused so much more on Sam simply not looking for Dean instead of going through a long list of stuff that is in the past and dealt with.

    I'm sorry, but all this fighting between Sam and Dean has been so forced this season, it is ridiculous. They had to write Sam out of character to get it off the ground and now to keep it up, they have to make it so Dean believes that Benny is a better brother to him than Sam AND Castiel. After everything? Wow, I guess Benny is really moving in. I didn't think that anything could put a damper on my excitement for Castiel coming back next week, but if Dean is just going to continue to think that Benny is the best brother ever, then maybe Dean and Benny should go off together and Sam and Castiel should find their way together.



    Other than the ending fight and laundry list of Sam's wrong-doing that felt like it was written by the Sam-haters of the fandom, the episode of was alright. I didn't feel much sympathy for anyone, so I don't feel like I'm being told to someone is being the bad guy except I do feel like Benny is being pushed too much. The show is walking a very thin line and they better start turning it around. Amelia is remaining unpleasant. Garth was Garth. And Sam and Dean are a mess. The writers need to figure out either how to balance some growth, sympathy, and maturity for Sam and Dean or declare one the bad brother and move on. But right now, they are only playing into dividing the fans further. I'm really really concern about Dean's speech, because the way it was written it was so taken right off the message boards and not reflect of how the character felt in the past and Sam is reacting like a jerk. I don't understand what is up with him at all this season. But I don't feel like either brother is being mature or growing.

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  14. Charlene Buchanan8 November 2012 at 23:27

    i thought sam and dean were both right in there argument though dean shouldnt bring up the past because sam has alreday said sorry like 100 times and sam should understand dean would be upset for sam not looking for him ..but i think thats the end ae there fight lol ..am glad in away cause am not wanting a repeat of s4 tbh i hated that season because of the fighting thats not sam and dean , sam and dean are stronger when there 2gether xx.awsome strong eposide

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  15. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I know what you mean :) Their whole life the boys always had kind of a blind spot about solving their issu together, it almost always took someone to smash their head together. One of the reason why I love Garth, he's so socially akward and have absolutely no idea what he's doing....but he has a great heart and just want to help :)

    I hope Dean will think about what Garth said to him about moving on from those issus

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  16. C P8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Good episode. I was annoyed with Garth for impersonating Bobby at the beginning but like Dean, got to be understanding or I couldn't resist forgiving him for being awkward. Garth is fully capable at what he's doing and he gave some good advice.


    Liked the flashbacks, good to see more of how Sam and Amelia ended up together and why Sam didn't do any searching (though I think it's still a weak idea).

    And yikes, just when Dean is starting to let up a little, Sam's come to boiling point. I can understand. I knew Sam would snap eventually and if I were him, it would have happened sooner.

    Yikes on the Amy thing being brought back up. Well that was unavoidable. I really dislike that plot having happened, even one year later it's biting.

    I just know I'm going to get thumbs down for this but here goes...I really don't know why they're keeping score. I thought it was over when Sam killed Dean's Amazon kid (did I mention how much I hated this plot?).

    Sure, Dean's proclaimed Benny as a friend, but they've let vampires go before when they weren't drinking from people, and Sam knows nothing about Benny. To be fair, Dean didn't know Amy either, but she had killed. And yes, she killed for her son, but they've killed other creatures doing things like that before.

    Saying all that, Dean should have probably left Benny in Purgatory. He seems to have liked it there more anyways, now that he's back on Earth. Plus it was another screw you to the natural order (Benny was really dead, unlike Dean and Cas who had just traveled there). But I guess natural order is really moot now.

    Also, even though he was under the influence of the ghost, Dean saying Benny was a better brother over both Sam and Cas was annoying. He's only known Benny for a year, comparing it to 4 or so years with Cas and all his life with Sam. Benny has time to screw up too. Everyone makes mistakes. (And the soulless argument was not good writing- it wasn't Sam's fault what his soulless self did-they're like 2 completely different people.)

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  17. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:27

    I said I wasn't going to watch it because I never like Glass episodes, but I watched it anyway, and I voted OK. Truth is I was bored with the MOTW case. I was thinking we must be at least 40 minutes into this, and checked the time, and it was only 20 minutes. At 30 minutes I was checking the time again.


    Garth wasn't as annoying as I expected. I thought Dean was a little too hard on him. People will probably be annoyed at how Garth is portrayed as being more capable than Sam and Dean, but I don't care. He just doesn't leave much of an impression on me one way or the other.


    We got more insight into what Dean feels about Sam's year off. Sam made his case, but sorry, it doesn't make any more sense this time around than it did in the premiere. When ghost-Dean was lashing out about Sam leaving him to die in Purgatory, one part of me was saying "Dean is right," the other part was saying "but Sam would NEVER do that."


    One last thought - I've been reluctant to say this, but Sam and Amelia have no chemistry. What happened to the obsessed Sam with a sense of purpose and ambition? If this is Sam's story, it has to lead somewhere more interesting, and it shows no sign of going there ... yet. We'll see, but it doesn't look promising.

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  18. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:27

    It was awesome for me, back to my old SPN. Enjoyed Garth trying to help
    the guys get past their problem, but still don't believe the story line
    of Sam NOT looking for Dean. Still not getting into the Sam/Amelia
    story. The brothers fighting always makes me want to cry, but SPN still
    has the best fights of any show I watch. Will watch again tomorrow
    with CC, but for now my favorite quote was Dean with the "we won" when
    they were at the tomb.

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  19. Thirty8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Going back to an old Soundgarden song bugged me.

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  20. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I thought this episode was really well done. They used Garth in a very good way. He's kind of like a puppy who you can't really stay mad at and the scene between him and Dean showed that exceptionally well. Yes Bobby belonged to all of them, not just Sam and Dean, but Garth needs to stop trying to 'be' Bobby and start trying to be a better Garth because of Bobby. I think that was what Dean was trying to get through to him. And It seems like he got the message. Even used 'balls!" correctly. :)


    As for the boys, I'm afraid I'm firmly on Dean's side here. I still can't find anything about Amelia and Sam's relationship that would justify him forgetting about his brother. And, despite his excuse of having 'found something he's never had before' he seemed to have given up on Dean way before even meeting her. I get that after everything, his world imploded, but these guys have been around the block way to many times for him to simply give up and accept that Dean was just gone without any effort to make sure. I'm still not buying it, Sam. And I'm still waiting for you to stop making excuses and admit you made a mistake. The words "I'm sorry for giving up on you" might help here.


    As for Dean, yeah, he is harboring a lot of resentment. After a year of fighting for your life to get back to a brother who, it turns out, had written you off... a little resentment is completely understandable. After Garth's little speech at the end, Dean even conceded to Sam that he heard him and would move on, and Sam still had to go and threaten Benny? Why? To me, that was just a dick move. (cue all the SamGirls! I even know which ones will come after me for that remark!) Dean told him Benny saved him, he even said if Benny slips up and some hunter kills him, so be it. Dean is not protecting Benny, he's giving him a chance because he owes him that much. The rest is up to him. Sam seems to be dead set on proving he's evil (or just proving Dean wrong). When and if Benny does slip up, I hope Sam is able to prove it, because if not, that would be the end of Dean's trust in Sam.


    I do love the tension between them, and like I said, I think Sam is out of line. All he's told Dean is that he found something, that he had lost everything and ran. That's not how a seasoned hunter behaves, so I can understand Dean's confusion and resentment. All the people the spectre possessed said they don't remember the time they were possessed, so Sam yelling at Dean for saying things he doesn't remember thanks to the spectre seemed a little harsh.


    All in all a well crafted episode that got a lot of things out in the open. Next time Sam threatens to move on, maybe Dean should let him. But he won't. What kind of show would it be if there wasn't tension between the brothers? Like Jared said, it would be Gilmore Girls. :)


    Interested to see how Cas got out of Purgatory, I'm not a Cas fan (I believe his story arc should've ended a year ago) but it'll make good drama and further our understanding of what happened in Purgatory. Maybe it'll help Sam understand a little too.

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  21. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I don't think Dean could've left Benny in Purgatory. He made a deal. We all know Dean is a man of his word, especially when the deal is upheld by the other party. Benny had his back, Benny fought beside him, even saved Cas' butt, so Dean would never go back on his word. It's kind of all he has. So you're right, he 'should' have left Benny there (Benny even wondered why Dean didn't just dump him in some alley when they got back) but Dean would never do it. That's what loyalty means to him. And I'll give you a thumbs up. :) I agree with most of what you said.

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  22. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Please tell me you'd give it a decent paint job, tho. :)

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  23. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:27

    :) Everything you said! Except I didn't heard what was said after Dean said he would move on (...stupid XPIX -_-...the sound just died)

    But didn't Sam said to possessedDean that he made a mistake?

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  24. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I don't think that what Dean said when he was controlled by the ghost meant much. Not like the angry spirit are all rational and thinking, and being careful about others feeling. It wasn't exactly Dean who was talking about the souless and all the rest. When's the last time we saw a rational angry/evil/vengeful ghost?^^; He felt feeling of being hurt/betray, saw in Dean those memories and think that everythink is the same than what happened to him, plain and simple. i think the souless 'argument' was just to show how the ghost didn't get anything at all and was just shooting everything he could find out without understanding

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  25. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Sam said to possessd Dean that he had made mistakes, meaning over his life (ie: demon blood, Ruby, etc.) and that they'd both played fast and loose at times. And after Dean said he'd move on, Sam said that he just might be the hunter to ice Benny. I have no idea why he'd think it was a good time to say that. It certainly won't help either of them to 'move on.' Dean didn't react, just said we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

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  26. Charlene Buchanan8 November 2012 at 23:27

    can i vote again to say awsome i cant stop loving it !

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  27. ZoeF8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I agree. For me, I just need the flashbacks to show Sam mourned. They tell me he missed Dean, but the way it plays out, they're not really showing it. I think the fans need to put it behind them as much as Dean, but we can't because of the poor way the Sam flashbacks are handled, specifically about Dean's memory. Just need a bone thrown...

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  28. Lissie_Bee8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I actually felt really good about this episode, from start to finish. I even really enjoyed Garth... I may be able to officially say I like him. In this instance, I think he was just the third party that Sam and Dean needed to work out some of their s**t... even using him as a buffer allowed them to breathe for a little while.

    I don't think it's possible for either of them to fully get over some of the things the other has done (Amy, Sam killing Dean's Amazon kid, etc. etc.), and I hate the notion that they're keeping score, but at least we aired some of it out. Too bad it took a penny tied to a spectre to really kick start the process... and that Dean doesn't recall any of it... but Sam's speech at the end was great. It needed to be said. I think we're moving in the right direction now, though, which is good.

    Also, super random thought, I really enjoyed the montage that showed how the coin exchanged hands to provoke all of the murders. Very cool.

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  29. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Like I just said to CP, I think that the souless thing was just a proof that the ghost had no idea what he was talking about and was just telling everything he could find in Dean's memories without thinking too much about what was behind it. So I don't think we can say it was Dean real feeling that Benny is the best brother and all. The ghost was just having fun playind mind trick, 'torturing', like pretty much all the evil ghosts we saw in the serie

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  30. ZoeF8 November 2012 at 23:27

    OMG ME TOO!!! What is this, the 90s?? If you pay for music, then it needs to be classic rock, or something fitting to the story like Crowley's "These Boots are Made for Walking" sort of thing.
    Someone rat Carver out to Kripke...

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  31. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I'd be ok with that. Anything to show that Sam actually cared. So he shared and cared with Amelia about Dean. OK. That's nice, but I still want to know why a seasoned hunter who has seen his brother die hundreds of times and fought to find him and bring him back would suddenly not even try to make sure he was actually dead. It's not like Dean was shot, or stabbed or exploded or anything. He disappeared. How in the Winchester world does that equal dead? I'd simply like some explanation or remorse. Is that too much to ask for? :)

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  32. sharonally8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Dean ran off a list of betrayals that sounded like a EDG had written it . Again it is just using a possession to give Dean a way of shouting off his list without him being blamed.

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  33. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    This is the second time I have voted Poor on a Supernatural episode and both this season. The only thing that kept me from voting awful was some of the snappy dialogue. I am thoroughly sick of the brother rift. It has gone on far too long, the characters are too OOC, and most importantly, there does not seem to be a point to it yet. My least favorite season by far is season 4 and that's what this season reminds me of. However at least in season 4 there was a myth-building reason for the brother rift. It was important to the structure of the overall story. I hated that story but I at least know that it had purpose. This story seems as manufactured as the Amy subplot (thanks for reminding me of that again show) with just as little purpose. Unless there is a major twist around the midseason hiatus, I'm scrubbing this whole half of the season as one huge misstep for Jeremy Carver.


    I also don't like Garth. I found him worse than Becky in Season 7, Time for a Wedding but better in Party On, Garth minus the stupid puppet. Now I just resent him and that's a shame. They pushed his being a replacement for Bobby far too hard and all that did was reinforce how much I missed Bobby. I appreciate that his hunting skills improved 6 million percent in one year, something Dean and Sam's apparently haven't in seven years, but that seemed a huge stretch too. The writers appear to be back in the habit of writing characters to suit the plot instead of keeping character continuity. They are also back to secondary characters saving the brothers, my biggest complaint about seasons 4- now. I am heartily disappointed in this season so far and hope that it makes a drastic u-turn quickly to at a minimum get the brothers back in character. I have great hopes that the mytharc quest will kick into gear sometime (maybe next week since Crowley is back - yeah!) and I'll find my usual enthusiasm for Supernatural again. I miss loving this show.

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  34. KatAdams038 November 2012 at 23:27

    I hope they address it in a future episode. I don't think they will, because Dean doesn't remember it. But it still feels like the speech was written just to dump all of Sam's mistakes and praise Benny. I want Dean to admit that yes, Sam and Castiel have made mistakes, but he doesn't mean that he thinks Benny is better. I want that to come back into play. But I don't think it will. I don't think the episode did a good enough job of making any of the characters likable for anything good to come out of it. But I think the show is especially dragging Sam through the mud. So, I don't know if it was just the ghost or if Dean really feels this way. I wouldn't blame Dean for feeling this way, because Sam has had a brain transplant. I know what Dean said had roots, but I'm not sure how the show is planning on getting the brothers back together. I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. And I'm not sure if it will be in time to save the brothers, because Dean under the influence saying that something else like a vampire is a better brother is a huge mountain to overcome and the show is already is a ditch as deep as the ocean with Sam not looking for Dean.

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  35. C P8 November 2012 at 23:27

    That's exactly how I feel with that situation. Dean's nothing if not loyal.

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  36. CyanaT8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Personally, I like that Soundgarden song and the show has used more modern past in the past for Garth (7.19), Simon Said also used more more modern music for Andy ("Stonehenge" and the same Soundgarden Song "Fell on Black Days",)

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  37. Kerinda Hartson8 November 2012 at 23:27

    man I like the ep love the ending damn sam told off dean about damn time I do no get why you all still say its OOC with sam what could he have done tell me how could he have open up purgatory how tell me ok and the amelia thing was great he needs to talk to someone who is not a hunter someone who can understand just like him to lose somebody and cannot get back I sorry if no one likes that then dont see the show. we do not know what will happen next and the dean and benny thing has got me all mess up and you guy know after sam met benny the amy thing will come up I even knew that but what sam said to dean is not cold its the truth if benny mess up a hunter will take him down and if its not sam it be some other hunter so. I like to see what happen next week with cas that is going to be good and see how dean will deal with that its going to be great.

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  38. BoxManLocke8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Actually, Garth's car is a Ford Ranchero.

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  39. BoxManLocke8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Me too. Sera Gamble started re-using old songs in season 7. I don't like when they do that, with the exception of Carry On My Wayward Son obviously.
    It's like opening the same gift two christmas in a row. We miss the classic rock an we want new stuff !

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  40. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Personally I think this is the hint that Benny is going to end up evil and we'll have Ruby 1gazillion.0 again. That whole thing sounded prime to come back and bite Dean. I hope I'm wrong but my already shaky confidence that we could go through the season without an evil Benny has now dipped to an all-time low. So by the way has my confidence that there is an actual mytharc-building purpose behind this nonsensical brother rift.

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  41. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    It's not out of character that Sam couldn't do anything. It's out of character that Sam didn't try to do anything. He had Bobby's books. He knew other hunters. He knew how to contact psychics. He made miracles happen before. I would have no problem if Sam tried, failed, and then moved on. I have absolutely no problem with Sam settling down with Amelia. In fact, I love that he got to be happy for awhile. I'd like that for both brothers. However, it refutes 7 years of the Sam character to say that he didn't even attempt to find out if Dean was alive or dead, that he didn't even open Bobby's books to look for some answers. That's what I think most fans object to. It is true that we don't know where the show is going or what will happen to the brothers further down the road. I for one am hoping that Jeremy retcons the entire 6 episodes so far. I'm actually good with a cosmic do-over at this point, something I normally dislike greatly. Anything to get the brothers back on track and back in character.

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  42. KatAdams038 November 2012 at 23:27

    I beyond agree with you. I never thought I would be begging for a retcon or a cosmic do-over, but I'm game for anything that gets the brothers back on track and back in character. I never want to hear Dean Winchester say anything close to what he said under this ghost influence ever again. It's going to take Dean saying multiple times to both Sam and Castiel that he needs them in his life and he doesn't care about their mistakes for me to get over it.

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  43. Bruce_F8 November 2012 at 23:27

    There's nothing about Soundgarden that could possibly bug me. Including some Soundgarden was probably one of the better choices tptb made in this episode.

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  44. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Think you missed the OR there. She's not saying Nancy Sinatra is classic rock. Just the opposite.

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  45. Bruce_F8 November 2012 at 23:27

    It's not out of character that Sam couldn't do anything. It's out of character that Sam didn't try to do anything. He had Bobby's books.

    I'm not disagreeing with you about what's in and out of character by any means but didn't most (not all) of Bobby's books get destroyed when his house was?

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  46. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Yes, but it is canon that Bobby told the brothers in season 7 that he made back up copies of his books and stashed them in safe houses around the country just in case something happened. That's why Sam has Sheriff Mills empty out one of those safe houses and bring everything Bobby had stored there so they could save Dean in Time After Time. It was also the excuse Bobby used to leave Dean and Sam alone in Girl Next Door.

    Edited for grammar and clarification

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  47. C P8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Like last year it seems to pretty much be tension for tension's sake. To cause drama and make things interesting...or that's what they try to do.

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  48. Bruce_F8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Yes, but it is canon that Bobby told the brothers in season 7 that he
    made back up copies of his books and stashed them in safe houses around
    the country just in case something happened.


    Ah, okay. That's exactly what I was wondering about. Thanks.

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  49. C P8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Not to mention Sam can do research on his own.

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  50. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I don't need to get over either Dean or Sam's speeches. They were both cold and calculating in what they said. They both told a selective version of the truth. I wish they both had shut up. What I did need was for their hurtful words to have a purpose, to help the brothers start to mend. Instead we are right back where we started and have even more ammunition for the brothers to pull out in the future. Coincidentally we have even more ammunition for the more divisive parts of the fandom too which is never a good thing. If nothing good comes out of this latest round of the Blame Game, then why put it on my screen. I already know there's a brother rift. I don't need confirmation every 5 minutes.

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  51. Bruce_F8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Lumping them together is bad enough. A break in the theme is a break in the theme.

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  52. Kerinda Hartson8 November 2012 at 23:27

    yes but how do you find a book to open prugatory and I was thinking bobby hided all his books everywere it take a long time for sam to even find them.

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  53. Bruce_F8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Since then, it has been a one step forward two steps back situation.

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  54. KatAdams038 November 2012 at 23:27

    @Dahne1:disqus I'm right with you. I don't know if I think Benny is going to end up evil or not. I know right now I want him to. I think with the Benny is the "better brother" comment about Sam (and Castiel) is going to turn out that Dean betrays Sam and Castiel. A part of me thinks that would be interesting, because seeing how Dean deals with betraying someone would be new. But I'm so tired of watching the brothers fight. I really do feel like this brother rift has made both brothers unlikable and it makes no sense for me. I want there to be a purpose behind everything happening and I want to know within the next five episodes, because my confidence in the show is at an all time low and I hate always having something bad to say about the show. I want to be positive and balance again. I want to be wrong for thinking the show is throwing Sam under the bus, but right now, I'm thinking the bus is beginning to back up and drive over him in reverse with nasty hater speeches. I get enough of that from other websites, I don't need the show doing impersonations. Please let there be a reason!! Please!!

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  55. Kerinda Hartson8 November 2012 at 23:27

    me too but they got to let it out some how I hate when they fight to but it makes for good tv.

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  56. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I disagree. It has happened so much that it makes for boring TV to me. We are in lather, rinse, repeat mode and they go through the cycle about 5 times each episode. There is no dramatic tension there anymore, just tension. It's like how the writers have gone to killing a fan-loved character off way too many times for drama. After awhile it gets to be ho-hum, just saw that. For me brother rifts are at the same level. We've had them almost every year. We're in the 8th year. Let's try something novel like the brothers being united in purpose and as a team with the conflict coming primarily from outside forces.

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  57. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    Well he knew about the one that he sent Sheriff Jody to. It stands to reason that he knew where several others were too. Bobby wasn't John. He didn't believe in hoarding knowledge so it is likely that Bobby shared the locations with the Winchesters as a precaution if nothing else. Sam also knew the location of Grandpa Creepy's extensive library. Again, I have no problem if Sam kept some books by his bedside and read a little every night trying to find out what happened to Dean - similar to what Dean said he did the year he was with Lisa. To not have the resident Geek Boy to not even try goes beyond the pale of who we know Sam to be.

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  58. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I blame Jeremy Carver and the writers for this mess. Unless we've suddenly got the normal craving version of RoboSam coming as a twist, it doesn't make sense. Quite frankly I am willing to bet that there is a retcon coming somehow and we will find out that Sam did try or something. They seem to be getting a lot of backlash for that decision and it wouldn't surprise me if they use a Band-Aid fix to try to correct it. Everybody and their cousin is getting out of the writers' corner with amnesia these days (see the Juliette amnesia story for Grimm, season 7 Cas, and last year's relationship reversals on Fringe) so maybe Sam forgot he tried.

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  59. KatAdams038 November 2012 at 23:27

    I think having a purpose to what is going on with Sam and Dean would help a lot. I think you are dead on with "selective version of the truth" and I wish they would shut up too. I don't want another blame game as much as I don't want a repeat of Ruby or Amy with Benny. I would handle a repeat of Ruby much better than Amy since Ruby had a purpose and I'm curious to see how Dean would handling betraying Sam. But I rather have something new with the brothers fighting evil, not each other. I feel like with each new episode they keep beating us over the head with Sam didn't look for Dean and Dean is upset about it, but they never go anywhere, just keep building up the angst and tension. I don't think Sam and Dean have to be at odds for good television or have a super huge rift, because if that was a requirement then how did we get the first three seasons. It's old now and doesn't make any sense with everything they have been through. The second half of the sixth season got this and Sam and Dean were together fighting for episodes 6x15-6x21. It worked really well. Now, the tension between the brothers just makes me want to say give it up, because it has been so long since Sam and Dean were brothers. Every year it is something and every year I keep scratching my head as to why would two brothers who have got to Hell for each other and saved the world fight over this? The fourth season I got, the fifth season I understood, the sixth season Sam was soulless and it was understandable and then the show worked so well with them in step with each other, but the seventh and eighth season's rifts are rifts to just have melodrama and angst. I'm sorry, but Stefan and Damon have less angst fighting over Elena for the 100 time than Sam and Dean do. Yet, the thing with Stefan and Damon, I still feel like they care about each other and will do whatever it takes to save their brothers. I don't know about Sam and Dean. It's boring to see them keep fighting. So, yes, a purpose would be nice without the blame game, but my first request would be stop putting the brothers in these situations in the first place then you wouldn't need excuses, purposes, or something to get over.

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  60. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:27

    I'm still waiting for something else too. Having a hard time believing that the reverse exorcism in the second episode wasn't put there for something. No way Sam thought about it out of the blue and learned how to do it out out of nowhere too. The easiest sentence in english (or in our own language), said reverse, take some time to think about it before being able to say it. So no way, Sam learned the reverse lloonnngg sentences in latin in 2 secs

    Considering we waited 'til episode 20 of season 6 to confirm that Cass was the one who took Sam,s body out of Hell after Swan Song...I'm not giving up yet to see if we'll have an answer about this :)

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  61. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:28

    I agree, unfortunately I really wish the writers would read the scripts that came before them in a year and also watch the early years of the show. It's like 7 years have suddenly disappeared and characters are just whatever the current plot needs them to be.

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  62. CyanaT8 November 2012 at 23:28

    LOL, another great song though as you said not classic rock, but it was perfect for the image of "trailer trash" Crowley in his slippers, Bollocks ;) !

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  63. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:28

    Agreed. Never give up for if any show can throw a 90 miles an hour curve ball at your head it is Supernatural. I am holding tight to that reverse exorcism and also the shadow outside Amelia's house in the first episode. They have to mean something right?

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  64. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:28

    But see, you have to come up with your own reasons why he didn't look because the show won't tell us why he didn't look. We have Sam telling Kevin that he "just had to clear his head" and he told Amelia his world kind of imploded (or something like that). However, they haven't really told us anything that makes sense. We see Dean's world implode when Sam died in All Hell Breaks Loose 1 (2x21). We hear him talking it all out in great detail. We see Dean just crumble after Sam jumps in the cage. We see Dean's suffer through his year of domesticity in a wonderful montage at the beginning of 6x02... but For Sam we get a brief glimpse of a drunken mess in 4x09 after Dean went to Hell and we see soulless Sam stare with no emotion at Dean in Lisa's house... now we have Sam telling someone in a single sentence that his world imploded, but it wasn't presented in any way that would be believable. I think that is what we were seeing when he freaked out over hitting the dog, but it just isn't enough to get me to believe that there is anything that would stop Sam from looking for Dean... maybe not right that minute immediately after it happened. But, I just don't believe he just moved on that easily. Until they make me believe it, this is pod Sam to me.

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  65. MarissaAO8 November 2012 at 23:28

    I thought it was really solid. Garth is steadily becoming more palatable.

    When Sam said that after losing Dean, "It felt like my world imploded. And I ran." - I wish more had been made of that, and that we got to see it first hand. Because that's what I've been saying. Sam didn't choose to not look for Dean. It was not a rational decision. He couldn't deal, and he ran. So I feel vindicated. But I would feel more vindicated if they focused more on that.



    I'm enjoying Sam's relationship with Amelia a lot. I like how they have to work through things, it feels very real. And when Sam punched Dean over Amelia, I got ~shipper feels~.


    Sam standing up to Dean at the end was also much needed, and really a perfect moment.

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  66. tvmonkey8 November 2012 at 23:28

    the fact that they do keep beating us over the head with Sam not looking for Dean and Dean pissed about it tells us that the writers/JC know its a major issue, I dont think they would just keep putting that out there if it werent for a reason. My guess is to keep the boys apart. Dean is going to keep going off to hunt with his new bff Benny (much to the joy of many Dean girls) and Sam is going to want to go back to the life he had during the past year. They're going to keep them mostly apart untill something happens to change that. Untill something happens to pull them back together.

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  67. ShatteredOne8 November 2012 at 23:30

    I feel bad for Garth because he keeps getting put into lame to mediocre episodes. Enough with the brother drama, I hope Sam standing up to Dean at the end (which I was behind him all the way) ends it. The flashbacks are getting more and more annoying. Garth was the shining part of this episode, his transition into his interpretation of Bobby to how Bobby behaved was nicely played out. Overall, just okay.

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  68. tvmonkey8 November 2012 at 23:30

    I wouldnt neccessarily say evil but I do think he'll give in to his true nature, his inner monster. So far all the monster on the show have given into their nature eventually and Dean has always been the first one to point that out. Benny wont be any different just because he's Dean's friend. I have a feeling Dean finally trusting a monster is going to bite him in the ass. So not really a Ruby situation.

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  69. MarissaAO8 November 2012 at 23:30

    I thought it was made pretty clear in this episode that Sam didn't try because he freaked out. He basically explicitly said that. His world imploded, and he ran. He couldn't deal with it emotionally or psychologically anymore.

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  70. ajsbent8 November 2012 at 23:30

    This season is great, I am enjoying it, but at the moment the guys
    are so frustratingly angry with each other it leaves me completely
    frustrated in return. Maybe that's the plan, but I can't say this one
    was a joy to watch... Dean's angry, I get that and if I were him I'd
    be more angry at the fact that no matter what he professes, Sam
    doesn't actually seem the least bit sorry whatsoever. He should be
    grateful Benny was around to watch Dean's butt - where has his
    infamous compassion gone? And Amy is absolutely no comparison, she
    was killing people and there's the line right there, no grey area. I
    think maybe they threw the Amy bit into Sam's argument to appease
    fans who'd had an issue with Dean killing her, when really there was
    none. Dean should have pointed that out while Sam was being all righteous.

    Sam seems cold and in a giant hurry to save Kevin so he can get
    back to shagging his woman, so it all just feels tense and rushed cos
    Sam's got love balls and he's like 'Lets get on with it damn it hurry
    up and forget these tedious monster of the weeks!' and unlike the
    first season where this was happening looking for their dad, Sams
    pissed off as hell this time around and at Dean, not dear ol' dad, so
    it just doesn't feel the same. And his reason for being pissed off
    just isn't strong enough. Maybe he's just reacting to Dean who's
    pushing his buttons, but it's just unpleasant whatever the reason and
    detracted from the fun of stopping the ghost/sceptre whatever they called it (which, while we're on that topic, seems to me like they would have come across green goo in
    their lifetimes, or even heard of the existance of it. It doesn't get
    more ghostbuster than that). The story felt a bit like a repeat of another episode, maybe Skin, where the husband killed his wife and so on, but then I loved the penny twist, even if it was overshadowed by all the brother's growling and jutted jaw pulling at each other. The reveal
    of how the penny came into deans possession from three days prior was
    the best part of the episode, very very cool and the music perfect. Loved that whole scene and how it was put together.

    Personally I think where the boys are at would have been really
    cool back in the season before Sam went to hell. What's happened to
    their relationship would have been a justifiable way to send Sam off
    to side with Lucifer and Dean off to become cold-blooded Dean as he
    became in (The End I think it was..?). That would be the extreme of
    where this type of antagonism could go and it would be a massive pay
    off to all the frustration and anger and hate we sit through.
    Otherwise what is the consequence to all this build up – they leave
    each other in a huff and meet up again later with a beer and a
    kerbside moment? I hope not! I'm guessing Sam has to kill Benny (hope not, don't think Dean will deal well with that as it would probably mean he'd feel betrayed by something Benny does and he's not coping well with previous friends betraying him! or worse, he'll sulk at Sam for killing his friend for half a season), and am really hoping Dean ganks Amelia... no offense whatsoever to the actress playing her but those flashback scenes are slowing down the pace of a show that really needs to pick it up.

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  71. nellymendezcolon8 November 2012 at 23:31

    ..10000 percent plus AGREE

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  72. pinkphoenix19858 November 2012 at 23:31

    Oh this is so true! in terms of both Sam AND Dean I think

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  73. nellymendezcolon8 November 2012 at 23:31

    ..awesome,.fantastic,.amazing,.incredible..GARZ. RULES .all that annoying and whining attitude of the brothers is piss me off and getting in to my nerves the brothers fight poltergeist created but need it to happen the wall between them is cracking but THE NEXT EPISODE a mid-season cliffhanger ..dean and sam relation will be in a breaking point of trust how they react we had to wait....MMM....I HATE IT.....GRRR

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  74. Ahnjayla8 November 2012 at 23:32

    I have not read all the blogs so forgive me if I repeat. When did Sam tell Amelia his brothers name was Dean and when she was talking about her husband didn't she say Don...and then Sam later said Tom??? Am I hearing things right? I have this feeling that Sam was perhaps in an asylum for a better part of that year ....and Amelia was his doctor...or his dream escape. I do not believe that Sam would not look for his brother. I think he had a breakdown and there really is no Amelia....perhaps he will figure that out in flashbacks.....

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  75. hlnkid8 November 2012 at 23:32

    Man, as much as we might hate it, these 2 fight better than anyone on tv! And if this isn't a set up for something later in the season, nothing is. At some point, it would seem, Dean will have to make a decision between Sam and Benny....will Dean have to make the decision to kill Benny? I don't think it'll be Sam that does it (assuming it happens), that would be too easy. Tense!


    This is my favorite Garth episode. I love how he's trying so hard to fill Bobby's shoes...and he's doing pretty darn well too! I also love how Bobby's death affected more than just Sam and Dean. Shows how important Bobby really was and how much they all miss him. Garth's ringtones about killed me.

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  76. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    It is not just the brother fights that are excellent, it is all of them. For me SPN fights are better than any movie or tv show I have watched and what I like about them is people get hurt and keep cuts and bruises as they heal. If next ep is in the same time frame they still have them. I HATE huge fights and no one bleeds, just ruins it for me.


    I am afraid when Benny dies, it will have to be Dean and I will hate it.

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  77. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    Sam is always ready to move on and since it is moving on from his stuff I can understand why he wants to. Not hating on Sam, if it was not for his "stuff" the show would be very boring for me, but wanting to move on is what the one that messed up always wants to do. Get past it and not talk about it.

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  78. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    The fight had not been dealt with, Dean is still hurt because Sam did not try and find him and his only explanation is for a "girl"??

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  79. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    I agree and thought the same thing about the reverse exorcism and Sam is just not being Sam, if that makes any sense. The only thing that is Sam is wanting to get out and that has been going on since the pilot, but not making an effort to find Dean is just not Sam.

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  80. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    I don't think Dean was upset over his Amazon kid, but Sam picking a Demon, Ruby, over him and not telling him he was back that year. Dean spent all year trying to find him, he never gave up.

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  81. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    This show is about the brothers and trust me siblings fight over minor things, which bowl to use for cereal..used to drive me crazy, but they love each other. This series would get boring fast is it was all hugs, all the time. Brother conflict is SUPERNATURAL.

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  82. Charlene Buchanan8 November 2012 at 23:32

    that would be interesting like he's making it all up for company mmmm

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  83. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:32

    Sam did not even know where Dean had gone and Purgatory would be the last place he would think of. At least he was shocked when Dean told him that is where he had been. But am not letting Sam off the hook if he did not even try and find him.

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  84. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:33

    Things I liked about the episode: some snappy dialogue, the ring tones, and the special effects continue to be excellent this season. I thought the recap of how the penny changed hands was unnecessary and like they were treating the audience like we were too stupid to follow a pretty basic plot that we've seen on SPN a hundred times, but it looked good, loved the song, and it did show the penny which they'd neglected to get on screen before, so I ended up kinda liking it. I am a total sucker for good soundtrack montages though.

    As far as the replacement Bobby went, I will admit I was wrong. As annoyed as I was in the Garth/Dean scene promo, I was even madder with how it went down onscreen. First and foremost, It was too meta without any sense of mourning, it went straight for the jokes. Sam comes right out and says it, so there was no discussion at that point of what they intended. TPTB stuck their tongues out at us and said, "Miss Bobby? Here's a crappy third-tier replacement with no sense of history who already gets on your last nerve and will continue to be obnoxious. *Enjoy* cause that's the best you're gonna get." Second, Bobby belongs to the boys. It's like a 2nd grade teacher's kids meeting her school class. Bobby was like a father to the boys and whatever role he filled with other hunters, he didn't belong to anybody as much as he belonged to his family. Third, why was Sam okay with the whole thing and Dean was the only one mourning Bobby? Which leads to fourth, it added fuel to the Sam's stupid summer vacation. If this network of hunters is out there operating as though nothing has changed, why didn't Sam tap into it and try to find some help to locate Dean.

    So yeah, "brother fighting." Not really fighting so much as Dean yelling at Sam and Sam getting blamed for everything and just standing there taking punches originally thrown and healed from years ago. Fighting is where both parties are part of the argument. I don't mind brothers fighting. I have a sister, we fight. I mind just yelling at Sam. And Sam not fighting for himself. Saying drop it at the end, did nothing to defend himself, so that forces the fans into feeling like they've got to do it for him, because once again the show is all Dean's POV.

    Amelia. Wow. I really missed the dog in these flashbacks. I loved the actress on Covert Affairs and she totally grew on me on Alphas. But here? Why is she such a jerk? These flashbacks are really poorly written and that is part of it. It is hard to act with such crappy dialogue. But Sam freaks out because Dean disappears and-what-runs away to find someone else to be mean to him?

    I keep saying that Carver needs to show the fans that he understands the boys and he understands what people love in SPN. All this episode did was reopen old wounds and pour Garth-flavored bourbon in them: Ruby, demon blood, soulless Sam, Amy, death of Bobby, stupid guest stars stealing the show. It wasn't so much Carver saying "hey guys, I'm on your side: we all love SPN" so much as it was him saying, "Hey guys, I know what pisses you off."

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  85. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:33

    But he sure didn't look freaked except for right after he hit the dog. I just don't get it. The dog gets saved and he can just put it all behind him and talk about it calmly. If he can talk about it, he can look for Dean. The writers are killing me.

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  86. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:33

    At least I finally liked one. This is the first episode this seasons that I am actually looking forward to re-watching... not a whole bunch but enough. I learned more about Amelia's state of mind than Sam's in the flashbacks. I kind of hate that. I don't want to know the other characters. I want to know about Sam & Dean. Once my curiosity about them has been satisfied (or at least temporarily quenched because it will never be satisfied), then they can tell me about other characters.


    The thing that made this episode palatable for me was the brother fight. I don't care whether these guys fight or not, I just want them interacting with each other and talking, yelling, pranking, or fighting with each other. Not really fond of the "Benny is the only one I can trust stuff"... but he was under the influence. I would still rather hear him say it to Sam than having him talk it out with Garth, Benny, Castiel, BFF #9... whatever. Still... thank Chuck I finally fell that Sam had 4 or 5 lines that actually let me know what he is thinking. I had to have something better than "I had to clear my head"... It is still not sufficient for not looking, but it took a little of the angst away.

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  87. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:33

    Agreed and I'd sure like some answers before the winter hiatus or else I'm going to start thinking everything is a dropped plot point.

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  88. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:33

    Yay, if I could see it I would believe it. I just can't get this one line throw away and everything is fine. But, witches would be good, or a hospital stay that we again wouldn't see... but Amelia just ain't doing it. Plus Sam said she wasn't the reason. I need a reason and for now witches will do.



    I still want to know about that shadow outside of Amelia's place when Sam left. Maybe her husband was just missing in action and she was killed right after Sam left. Why does that make me smile?

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  89. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:33

    I think he is Pod \!Sam, but Pod!Sam made a copy of Sam back with YED was on his trail. That is why his character is so retro and unrecognizable.

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  90. Debbie Combs8 November 2012 at 23:33

    I have always wanted that. I need them to show me, not just throw a line out after the angst is over. i don't buy it after the angst is over. When Sam was freaking out over the dog, I maybe needed him to blurt, my bother just died right in front of me I can't watch another death. This is my fault... Not just "This is my fault". That tells me nothing without the rest.


    When Dean died at the end of Season 3 we had to wait all the way until 4x09 to finally get a flash of Sam grieving, but we have never seen the immediate after math except for a few seconds at the end of each death in Mystery Spot. Where is Sam's great monologue to Dean that allows him to vent his grief where we can really see where he is coming from? We never get it.

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  91. cns3e8 November 2012 at 23:33

    overall I enjoyed the episode, even Garth. I totally agree with everything Dean said to Sam. And then Sam tells Dean he needs to get over it or he'd leave. Sam said something similiar to Dean when Dean was giving him a hard time after the Demon Blood/Ruby situation. Given Dean's fear of being alone he can't stay mad at Sam because he fears Sam would leave him. So Dean just ends up buring all his hurt. Not right.
    I hated the Sam/Amelia scenes. Very boring and I saw absolutely no connection to the MOTW or the over all arch. I feel like Sam and Amelia should be a different show completely. Maybe they could have a Melrose Place type spin off. But instead of young people living in some fancy apartment compley it's folks with mysterious past living in a run down hotel.
    And then Dean, Castiel, and Benny could have their own spin off. It could be called Supernatural: The Purgatory Years.
    I am just sick of Sam and his BS. They have not done his character any favors this season.

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  92. Bec6668 November 2012 at 23:33

    Loved this episode. I was curious to see if they would pick it up where they left off last episode and glad to see they did to a point. Wish they had of focused a bit more on the ending of Blood Brothers though. I LOVED that Sam threw Amy back in Dean's face. Just wish he had of decked him too. Dean was typical Dean, not admitting he is wrong this time or apologizing for being a hypocrite.

    Garth, ok I love Garth but I wasn't loving him as Bobby. Dean was absolutely right about that. There is only one Bobby and he is NOT him. I wanted to reach through and strangle him when he used Idjits. But aside from that he's a good drop in costar, I just don't want him there all the time.

    I was glad to get a bit more back story and Sam and his girl too. Now we know why she was running and that they lived together.

    All in all I thought the whole episode was put together great. Had the classic monster, the eww factor and the usual brother angst. The scene when Dean was possessed broke my heart it was so well done. By him AND Sam. Every time you think Dean might have moved past Sam's past he throws it back in Sam's face. I agree with Sam too, I don't think Dean needed to be possessed to say all that. He is angry and pissed at his brother and he was going to blow at some point.

    Best scene of the show? The ending. I wanted to jump for joy when Sam FINALLY told Dean to basically suck it up, shut up and move on. It was perfect, and Dean needed to hear it. Then when Sam told him he might be the hunter that puts Benny down... awesome. How's it feel Dean? Don't get me wrong, I understand Dean's feelings about Sam AND Benny but Dean ain't perfect and eventually he needs to realize that.

    10 out of 10 for me.

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  93. isleofskye8 November 2012 at 23:33

    Unfortunately the whole season is flawed because of the Sam not looking for Dean affair. Unless they fix that nothing the writers do can lead to anything good.

    I'm just so annoyed with that!


    At a pinch, I could even have understood Sam giving up after having searched everything and everywhere and not having been able to get any useful info on Purgatory, but even that wouldn't convince me one hundred pecent, not after having seen how Sam searched obssessively for Dean in Mystery Spot until he got him back.


    Even Dean is all wrong.

    He went to Hell for his brother and the first thing he did when he came back was to go look for him! Now we're supposed to believe that he prefers a vampire, and I don't care if he's the sweetest vampire in existence. Dean woulds always choose Sam over anyone else.


    I just don't understand why the writers are doing this to both boys. There must be a reason otherwise it makes absolutely no sense at all.

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  94. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:34

    I agree. But I have one worry: Like soulless Sam they haven't given us any reason for Sam being as OOC as he is for as long as he is (Dean I feel like has the Purgatory PTSD thing). So even if they do fix it eventually, just like with Sera, I'm going to have built up a lot of distrust before he gives me a reason and everything is suspect after that. I need blind faith that showrunners know what they are doing if I'm going to just sit back and wait for the reveal. I don't have faith in Carver yet and the way things are going, it isn't gonna come. It's a heckuva way to ruin a blank slate by repeating history.

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  95. hlnkid8 November 2012 at 23:34

    Sam told her the name Dean when he was standing at the door explaining how he just had to get away. And no, Sam did say 'Don' not 'Tom' but so similar and he was speaking softly.



    That really would be an interesting theory...out there, but hmmm. The shadowy presence in the first ep of the year has still yet to come into play, so there's something there. Or maybe Ameilia is not human and is affecting his mind and memories for some reason. The whole credit card thing in one of Sam's first flashback bothers me too...oh, that one doesn't work anymore? Here clerk boy, here's another just waiting in the wings..that was too easy - clerk boy doesn't even flinch. And why exactly was Sam checking out her personal info in past weeks ep? That would seem to be another clue. He's checking her info, but doesn't ever call her? Something's fishy in this here pond, man! It'll all make sense at some point. Right now, Sam is like a puzzle...and we're trying to fit the pieces together to figure it all out.



    The writers are torturing us with snippets and making us wait! I hate waiting! LOL!



    Great eppy!

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  96. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:34

    Why wasn't Bobby allow to have friends and relationship? Garth never said that Bobby was anything like family. He never said either that he was real close to him or that Bobby belonged more to him (and others people) than with the boys. Just that Bobby had others people in his life, that's it. Just because he knew other people doesn't mean he could't be family only with the boys


    You don't allow your friends/family to have others friends than you in their life?

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  97. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:34

    Not ones that come to funerals or other family events and try to act sadder than actual family is, no. "Bobby belonged to all of us" is what he said. No, Bobby didn't.
    Bobby was friends with other people, but he only "belonged" to his family. Sam and Dean respected the primacy of Bobby's wife when she came back as a ghost-thing. There is a hierarchy and you don't tell family that they shouldn't be annoyed with your overreaction grieving because you have a claim too.

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  98. Paula Cristina8 November 2012 at 23:34

    THIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.That's why i have more fun to watch TVD right now than SPN. Sam and Dean's relationship is being repetitive and i'm sick and tired to see them fighting. I understand and have more joy to watch Stefan and Damon's relationship over Sam and Dean's.

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  99. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:34

    Saying to someone ''you only belong to me'' sound like a jealous boyfriend line^^; Idk, I don't think people only belong to their family. It's not a family-related-only term, or at least it's not specific enough to exclude friends out of the term

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  100. Paula Cristina8 November 2012 at 23:34

    :D

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  101. Paula Cristina8 November 2012 at 23:35

    This is one of the huge gasps SPN has: only being told through Dean's POV..............................................................

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  102. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:35

    The boys are technically *friends*. Friends that passed beyond the line of acquaintances and had a deep mutual bond with Bobby and became de facto family. Garth didn't do that. Garth was just a casual friend. Garth is *less* than the brothers. No he doesn't have the same kind of claim the boys do.

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  103. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:35

    Yup , I never claimed anything else, neither did garth. He never claimed being closer to Bobby than the boys, he never even claimed that he was family with Bobby either. Garth clearly didn't say that Bobby was family with everyone when he said he ''belonged'' to all the hunters. He just meant that the boys weren't the only one who kne Bobby, who miss him.

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  104. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:35

    He did when he didn't respect the hierarchy.

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  105. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:35

    Garth is just a cute socially akward puppy who has no idea where the line is and how to act ''politically correct'' while wanting to do the right thing and help, just not having any idea how ;P Don't expect him to follow a ''hierarchy'' ;P He's just too akward with people in general. He's a lover^^ Even if the feeling isn't always mutual

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  106. Lissie_Bee8 November 2012 at 23:35

    I'll give you that one - I was just plucking random "indiscretions" from thin air last night, and that's the one that happened to pop up. I think I recall him being incredibly upset by it at the time, but it's probably something he's let go since as she was definitely dangerous.

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  107. Lissie_Bee8 November 2012 at 23:35

    I agree with you in the sense that they pushed "Garth as the new Bobby" too hard. I think that it only makes sense that the hunting community would need a base like Bobby, as he contributed more than we'll probably ever know. And as Garth pointed out, he didn't "just belong to Sam and Dean", though we like to think that he did. I think that they really pushed it over the limit though, with things like Bobby's hat, his snarky little comments (it kind of hurt to hear Garth say "idgit"), etc. That just made me resent him, and I feel like it was an insult to Bobby's memory.

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  108. lsbloom8 November 2012 at 23:35

    We've had this discussion before. :) The episode didn't change my mind.


    That is not an excuse for the writers and using that "put up with it" attitude makes me annoyed at both the writers and Garth as a character. I'm not happily putting up with them not respecting Bobby and the bond he had with the boys.

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  109. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:36

    Yeah he was acting rather skittishly about the dog. Considering all the things he's done in his life you would think it wouldn't be more than a bump in the road. And then running into the only psychotic vet in who knows how many miles????


    Almost think Amelia was a "plant". Put there to ensure certain things do or don't happen. And maybe the shadowy figure is the one pulling the strings.


    And no, I don't put a lock on my cookie jar.. Just the fridge.....

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  110. isleofskye8 November 2012 at 23:36

    You have every right to air you opinion, but Supernatural is the story of the TWO Winchester brothers, Sam and Dean and it's entirely unjustified to hate on a character that is obliged by contract to say the lines that the writer puts into his mouth.
    X
    I hope that what you're suggesting never happens.
    If anyone should have a spin-off it should be Castiel and Benny. I'm sure it would be a great success; It would give them something to do as they are unnecessary to SPN, which lives or dies only with Sam and Dean.

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  111. Indy8 November 2012 at 23:36

    I loved this episode. I don't hate the Amelia flashbacks, but I hope we'll get a better explanation to why Sam didn't look for Dean as this season unfolds. I'd like to know more about the reasons why he chose to run away from it all. If it's explained better, then maybe it won't seem as out of character for Sam as it does now.

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  112. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:36

    Sam's behavior after hitting the dog had me thinking that maybe the dog AND psycho vet were "put" there for Sam to run into. Maybe shadow guy made this play out that way. Maybe wanted to keep Dean in Purgatory longer or create a rift by distracting Sam to the point he doesn't even look for his brother.

    Could be an angel who thinks Crowley+Kevin will solve the Gates of Hell puzzle faster and that will fit into heaven's grand plan to slam the gates shut.

    Amanda Tapping is in a recurring angel role part of which may be demoting Cas which forces him into hunting.

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  113. sharonally8 November 2012 at 23:36

    And Dean's BS? I actually was glad Sam stood up for himself Dean has been sniping since the first episode and Sam was upfront and honest. Not once has Dean thought to ask the girl's name who clearly had a importance to Sam. Dean can be upset over Sam not looking but the rest was spiteful and isnt like he is the poster boy of model brotherhood. Sam dares to say anything and he is talking BS and the bad one. Dean gets to use his mouth to come out with anything he likes no Sam takes alot of crap from Dean on the quiet and this time he fired back.



    I hope they do work it out without any Benny's and Castiel's and Amelia's involved just them and they both listen to each other but BOTH not just Dean airing his grievance again .

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  114. Paula Cristina8 November 2012 at 23:37

    I voted awful because 1) Castiel didnt betray Dean. He was the one who left him behind over a VAMPIRE. Dean was the one who betrayed Castiel in purgatory. And 2) Sam didnt give him up for a girl, he went to Purgatory and Sam had no reason but to think he was dead. Period.

    3) Dean keeps bringing the shit Sam did up over and over. But forgets that he was the one who brought Sam back to hunting after Sam went to school. That he sold his soul and didnt tell Sam about it, but Sam fought for that year to find out ways to save Dean. That he complains about Ruby, but he will sure as heck use her knife. That he was the one who broke the First Seal that started the return of Lucifer by torturing people in Hell for Alastair. And when Dean was killed Sam hunted the Trickster down to save Dean, yes he hunted down the ARCHANGEL Gabriel for Dean.

    I'm so sick and tired to watch this show through Dean's POV and see his actions always forgiven. I have no interest to watch a repetition of season 4. I have no interest at all to watch Dean and Benny relationship being forgiven and tolerated just because Benny is a guy and because of his "sexy" accent" or because he is "sexy" - for the ones who think of him like this. Garth was the one who saved the episode for me. What a shame. Oh and an unpopular opinion: I like Amelia. Yeahhhhh.

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  115. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:37

    You don't call Cas getting the souls out of Purgatory being a betrayal, after Dean asked him not to. Cas going all God crazy was NOT a betrayal??

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  116. hlnkid8 November 2012 at 23:37

    This ep reminded me of that line Bobby had (can't remember what ep) where he was on the phone with Garth (before Garth was an actual physical character) and yelled to him on the phone... "How are you still alive?" The line killed me at the time, but Garth has SO lived up to it. He's so dorkily adorable...esp with his hugs at the end now.

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  117. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:37

    In fact the first ep this year, We Need To Talk About Kevin, Dean asked Sam what the girl's name is and Sam told him.

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  118. Misty Pebworth8 November 2012 at 23:49

    Well, Sam loves dogs. Remember his reaction in Heaven to his old dog? I can see him reacting the way he did after hitting one, on top of everything else.

    The shadow outside Amelia's place is definitely a mystery, but the implication is that Sam did get one of the messages, Dean just had to call a million cells to get one through. Could be wrong there, but that was my impression.

    I didn't get a creepy stalker vibe from Sam checking up on Amelia, not at all, but.. Amelia's still a very boring character to me. >.< I'm hoping she fleshes out because I can't even really feel sympathy over her husband dying. She just.. has no chemistry with Sam, or the actress has none with Jared, not sure.


    I really hope that maybe Crowley or someone did some sort of voodoo to keep Sam from trying to rescue Dean. It'd make sense. Dean and Sam are practically unstoppable together, so putting a huge divide in them, or just making sure Dean couldn't get back, would be an advantage to the bad guy. Here's hoping! >.<

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  119. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:50

    I don't. A betrayal implies a hurtful violation of an agreement or relationship, and Cas's decisions about Purgatory or the souls weren't about Dean. He was doing it for his own reasons and as another adult, bad judgement aside, he was under no obligation to do what Dean told him to do. However, I do think all of the lying that Cas, Sam, AND Dean have done to each other qualifies as betrayal, since it's deception toward someone who trusts you. I also think Cas breaking Sam's wall to hurt Dean was a betrayal of the trust in their friendship.

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  120. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:50

    I thought the same thing about Dean's message to Sam. Either one of the numbers worked or he got in touch with someone that knows Sam.



    I don't see any chemistry between Amelia and Sam, maybe it will grow on me, but hasn't yet.

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  121. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:50

    But it's OOC because that's not how Sam deals with stress - even extreme stress. When Jess was murdered, Sam responded by getting back in the hunting game: "We have work to do." The many times Dean was killed, Sam responded by becoming laser focused on a goal. He shuts himself off emotionally. He doesn't open himself up to new relationships. If they're selling this as his reaction, it's a polar opposite of what he's done every time he has been faced with a similar situation in the past.

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  122. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:50

    I would love to someday hear from someone who works on the show the rationale for this - why they think this is a good idea.

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  123. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:50

    I'd settle for them reading the scripts that they wrote themselves (Carver - Mystery Spot and Edlund - Repo Man).

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  124. chris6848 November 2012 at 23:50

    You're saying Dean is going to kill Cas?

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  125. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:51

    Had the same exact thought about the blood. The only time you get a pattern like that is with an arterial spurt.



    Seems like the boys are softening on Garth as he is showing some redeeming qualities.


    Glad that Sam finally made it certain that he was moving forward. Hopefully Dean gets it.


    Still gotta think Sam at least did some research looking for where Dean could have gone.

    It was an impossible task against insurmountable odds. No Bobby. No Meg. No Kevin. Crowley? Right. Summon Death again? Nah. Not going to go there. Angels? Worthless. So I just think he fired up the computer and did what he could.

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  126. Kerinda Hartson8 November 2012 at 23:51

    yes but you guys keep blame him for not trying and I know its suck but its hard because we do not have the facts yet why he did not try and I just want to say its not like what happen in S4 you guy know what happen when he tryed to get dean out of hell went alitte darkside there so I think this time he was scared to even try thats all I think we do not have all the facts yet and I hope we get them soon thats all I am saying here.

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  127. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:51

    The second to last thing I want right now is another Ruby. I don't care which brother they are connected to. We've been there done that way too much already. The absolute last thing I want right now is any more betrayals - from anyone. To do so, while it may bring some sections of the fandom pleasure that Dean is finally getting his, would in my opinion be to the detriment of the show as a whole. We did that story in season 4 and the redemption of that story in season 5. Then we did that story in season 6 and the first part of season 7. If anything we are due for a redemption story in season 8 if they feel the need to repeat seasons 4 and 5 again. What with the angels vs demons plot they are going with AGAIN it does seem like they are dressing the same plot up in slightly different clothing.


    I admit that they could be leading us down this path just to make us think we're watching seasons 4 and 5 again only to pull the rug out from under us and end up doing something unique and entertaining. They've done that before and I look forward to it if they do it again. However, they need to move quickly on that new and improved story line if they have it in the pipeline because this has gotten to beyond dumb as a plot. Even the damned Amy subplot only cost us 5 episodes last year and it was far too long.

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  128. Charlene Buchanan8 November 2012 at 23:51

    i agree kerinda and i am a dean girl actually scrap that i love both lol yes i have the hots for dean , but i fell in love with both ...anyway sam didn't go look for dean so what ? he ran people make mistakes when there scared and i think sam yelled at dean was right but i didn't like the benny thing wayyy to far it's in spite cause dean killed Amy ...and that's not sam ...Alot of peopel are saying sam would look for Dean but he didn't know where to look and yes we still have to see more ...plus caver says tables turn .....But Dean was right in being mad at sam about not finding him, but like sam out of line about the past (though he was possesd ) but thats when they tend to tel the truth so i belive sam shouting at dean was right again the benny thing i didn't like ....awsome eposide though...and now they can get back on tarckxxxx

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  129. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:51

    "my first request would be stop putting the brothers in these situations in the first place then you wouldn't need excuses, purposes, or something to get over."


    Hallelujah and amen to that one! Now to get the writers to understand that what once was unique is now boring, overdone, and quite frankly less and less believable every season. It's Supernatural Surely there are enough interesting ideas for external conflict that we can put a moratorium on multi-episode brother fighting plots.

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  130. tvmonkey8 November 2012 at 23:51

    you have to admit there does seem to be more to the Sam story than meets the eye. Lets look at the evidence
    -the near panic when he hits the dog and takes it to the vet, he again panics when he thinks Dean is in trouble in Blood brothers and again when he cant find Amelia in the flashback in Heartache
    -he the shadow outside Amelia's place in the premier
    -Sam leaving Amelia in the middle of the night and turning up at the cabin despite not actually getting Dean's messages
    -the creepy stalkerish behaviour in Blood Brothers, checking up on Amelia
    There are some very deliberate things he's saying and doing mixed in with a lot of really bad writing which for me anyway is making it hard to know just what the hell is going on.

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  131. rehabber8 November 2012 at 23:51

    I did not get the feeling he was upset at all, just would have been hard for him to kill his own kid, so Sam did it for him..that is what family does, make the hard choices. Even Sam told Dean that he understood him killing Amy.

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  132. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:51

    Exactly. Castiel pulled Sam out of the cage and then pretended he knew nothing about it. He lied to everyone about Crowley. He pretended to be trying to help while secretly plotting with the King of Hell to empty Purgatory. All betrayals of trust. When you trust someone to be up front and on the level with you, if they do things behind your back they know you won't like and don't tell you on purpose, that is absolutely a betrayal of trust.

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  133. Megan_B8 November 2012 at 23:51

    I get why people don't like Garth and i totally understand why you and other people might don,t like what the writers did, but I still can't see how only one little, very general, word, that could mean a million thing, destroy everything the boys and Bobby had and proove without any single doubts that Bobby was anything more than a friend to garth^^; And the second big proof being a ''hierarchy'' that Garth didn't follow (cause Dean followed that), like Garth would follow those sort of things

    its like the people saying that Benny saving Cass prove without a doubt that Destiel is canon cause he ''knew'' and blabla..Or I saw others people saying that cause Benny said ''You and that whole *friend* thing'', the friend is an undeniable proof that Destiel is canon. I kind of feel its the same thing without the freaking out about ''belonged''

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  134. SuePo8 November 2012 at 23:51

    Bingo. :)

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  135. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:52

    Oh yes. Fuzzy dice and kick-ass stereo too!

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  136. ScottA8 November 2012 at 23:52

    Was it? I was flipping a coin. We see so few of them up this way.

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  137. Dahne8 November 2012 at 23:52

    Very true and at the beginning of this season, the writers actually remembered that. It was a big step in the right direction.

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  138. Misty Pebworth9 November 2012 at 00:24

    Just rewatched Houses of Faith and.. man.. wow.. I miss that Dean and especially that Sam. I miss them talking, and actually seeming to care about eachother mutually, and looking out for eachother as opposed to condemning eachother. I know neither will ever be so innocent again, but.. I miss that brotherly closeness, I really do.

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  139. MarissaAO9 November 2012 at 04:24

    I wouldn't call Sam in the flashbacks in "I Know What You Did Last Summer" "laser focused on a goal". He was drunk and hopeless and self-destructive. Until Ruby came back and put him on his feet. And he built a relationship with her.


    I would disagree with your interpretation, I think there is precedent for Sam's behaviour. But if you were right - Sam can still have a breaking point. He can still have a point after which all the crap that's been shoveled on top of him all his life becomes too much.

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  140. shouichi9 November 2012 at 05:13

    Yeah I'm a lil bit annoyed with Sam, but.. a spin off about the trio human-Vampire-Angel? Big No. though Sam is a bit of...annoying, but Dean should be with Sam. No excuse. the big point of SPN series is about two brothers hunting supernatural things, and yeah.. that's why I don't really like Amelia or Amanda or whoever

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  141. lsbloom9 November 2012 at 05:55

    I'm sorry, I am having trouble following your second paragraph.

    I don't like Garth because I find the character obnoxious. I find almost everything about taking a throwaway comic relief (via stupidity and incompetence) character and presenting him in the most annoying way possible (saying Bobby's phrases inappropriately, dressing like him, wearing his hat, getting in the middle of the brothers like he is a parent, ordering people around) as the next Bobby to be a bad way to address the hole left in fans' hearts by the loss of actual Bobby and the hole left in the show without the role. It was wrong on every level for me. I love Bobby. And I am not accepting this crap as a replacement. It's going from greatness to garbage and asking me to enjoy the decent.

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  142. prpleight9 November 2012 at 09:29

    Finally, I feel like they found Garth. I liked him this episode. And I still love the moment when he set Dean straight. Please let this be the freaking end of the Winchester Sniping Show. Everybody said when they've been holding back. Plot point checked off...move on.

    Loved the MOW..the penny. I have to say though...not a all warming to Sam's romance flashbacks. I'm not fond of the actress and the story just is NOT interesting.

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  143. prpleight9 November 2012 at 10:43

    I agree with you with regard to the problem of the relationship between the brothers. I was reading your comment and I think I figured out what the problem is for me. It's not just that the conflict between the boys is manufactured it's that it's only *half* manufactured. For some mysterious reasons that Dean hasn't bothered to articulate because...well because in the early seasons of the show there were all these things about avoiding 'chick flick moments'. The problem is, in the past when Dean wasn't talking to Sam about major issues THERE WAS A REASON...and the subtext existed in the scenes where Dean wasn't talking. When Dean returned from Hell he didn't talk about what was going on with him because of the shame. He *couldn't* talk about it...and that subtext was there until he was able to talk about it.

    My point is that the jokes about chick flick moments aside, there were always character based reasons that Dean didn't walk up to Sam and say "here's what's going on with me." *NOW* Dean's making snippy comments and not talking but not for any real reason other than the fact that the writers decided that that conversation can't happen until episode number X. The situation is half baked and not well thought out on the writers part and it is evident in the finished product. As for Sam...even after taking a week off...Sam waiting six episodes to demand Dean tell him what's going on in his head? Really? No.



    And because the world might stop revolving if you and I were in 100% agreement on something like Garth... I disagree with you about Garth. I like the guy (but I liked Becky too...until the wedding episode) I have no problem with the character, basically, being forced to grow up in the wake of Bobby's death. His first appearance felt so much like the got DJ Qualls to sign for the first episode and didn't have a clue who Garth was. It feels like they finally figured it out. I like what they decided on.

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  144. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 11:27

    Sam's flashbacks and storyline are supposed to get heavier around the middle of the season. I know Liane Balaban (Amelia) has been on set this week and I think they're filming episode 11 or 12 right now.
    Jared has promised we'll learn more about what happened to Sam as the season goes on, he and Jensen saud that the first part of the season has been Dean heavy so Sam's storyline being on the backburner was to be expected.

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  145. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 11:33

    did anyone else think the 'Benny is the only one who hasnt l;et me down' line was foreshadowing?
    Dean has only known Benny for a year and only really in Purgatory, no where near enough time or in the opertune environment for Benny to have the chance to let Dean down in any way?
    Benny I think will end up giving in nature and Dean will feel let down. Off the back of his Benny trust Dean will end up letting Sam and Cas down and all will be square.

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  146. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 11:36

    I'm pretty sure the only one allowed to have relationships on this show is Dean. Everyone else just gets made guilty for having them.

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  147. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 11:44

    I have a question-who has written each of the episode Garth has appeared in?

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  148. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 11:51

    am I the only person who thinks that Sam wouldnt assume Dean was in Purgatory because Dean isnt a monster? Didnt the show tell us that only monsters go to Purgatory. I would have assumed Dean was dead and in heaven since he has an in with that crowd.

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  149. chris6849 November 2012 at 12:13

    He was drunk because he was singularly focused on the goal but hitting dead ends everywhere. He wasn't doing nothing. He was doing everything he could think of, but the demons had blocked every path. He even tried selling his soul but the demons wouldn't deal with him. He had shut himself off emotionally and wasn't returning Bobby's phone calls. Ruby opened up the one path to him that would help him achieve his goal (rescuing Dean back from Hell) so that's why he went with Ruby (because the one goal was more important than any thing else - even the result that drinking blood would turn himself into a monster).

    When people are faced with extreme stress, they generally revert back into old,often unhealthy, behavior patterns (with Dean it's apathy and depression, with Sam it's obsession). They're not in a place to open themselves up to new healthy relationships. I think this why so many people are having a big problem with Sam's reaction. It just feels wrong. I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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  150. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 12:18

    wouldnt it have been nice for Sam and Dean to have actually gotten along this season? That would have been a nice change and they still could have had the boys apart to accomodate Jared and Jensen's revised and downgraded schedules.

    What I would have done

    -Dean escapes Purgatory with the help of Benny the vampire, they seperate and Dean goes off to find Sam

    -Dean finds Sam in the Campbell's old base where he has all Bobby's resources and has amassed an small army of hunters who have been helping with the left over Leviathan threat and various hunts

    -Garth, Martin, Jody Mills and Amelia a new hunter are all there with Sam as their leader

    -Sam and Dean reunite, Dean lies about how he got out from Purgatory while Sam tells him that looked for Dean but didnt know where he was so he came to the descision that Dean was dead

    -Sam asks about Cas, we see flahbacks of Purgatory, Cas and Benny

    -Sam and co. ammount an offensive to get Kevin back from Cowley as they have now found after him dissapearing along with Crowley who has been off the map

    everything pretty much the same but swapping Sam's normal for hunting and having him more like Sam we all expected (intense and focused) and having looked for Dean. We still have the Purgatory flashbacks but we swap out the Sam flashbacks of normal with how he met Amelia while hunting. We could also have episodes as to how Sam ended up with a small army which would give Jensen time off as the Purgatory and Benny stuff would allow Jared time off.

    The brother still mostly hunt together, there is still a tension there with Dean finding it hard to readjust and finding it hard to fit into Sam's new world and to this new colder more distant Sam. Sam would also find this new Dean rather hard to adjust to as Dean wants to slip back into old patterns but Sam doesnt.
    There wouldnt be too much change from how it is now, just IMO more believable.
    I would also not have Sam and Amelia as an outright romance thats already happened, maybe have that build up over time, more in keeping with Sam's mindset and perhaps Amelia's too (she lost her husband to hunting instead of in Afghanistan)
    I would still have all the Purgatory stuff with Cas and Benny, still have the Benny storyline, still have Cas decide he wants to be a hunter.
    I would still have tension and dissconnection between the brothers but have it slowly get better as they find a new way of working with each other, as Dean begins to heal and Sam becomes less cold and closed off.
    The mythology would stay the same.

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  151. tvmonkey9 November 2012 at 12:22

    the Ruby thing yes, Robo Sam not telling Dean he was back? No, why the hell would RoboSam care about telling Dean he was back and had no soul, how the hell would he know he had come back without a soul. Dean I dont think was all that bothered by the Amazon kid thing, I dont think anyone was.

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  152. rehabber9 November 2012 at 12:51

    I don't think Sam would have had any idea where Dean was, and I don't think Purgatory would have been high on a list of where's Dean, but I just don't go with the Sam did not even look for him. As many times as those two have died and come back, to just give up without looking...that is NOT Sam.

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  153. Dahne9 November 2012 at 12:58

    Dabb and Loflin wrote Season 7, Time for a Wedding. Adam Glass wrote Party On, Garth and Southern Comfort.

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  154. lsbloom9 November 2012 at 17:36

    I gotta disagree. Castiel was "running" a war in heaven, he was under no obligation to run everything he wanted to do by Dean first so he could get his okay and even if Dean did disagree, Castiel is a big angel he should get the right to decide for himself. Sure what he decided was a catastrophic failure, but the decision wasn't a personal betrayal of Dean. There were lies in there, and breaking Sam's wall to keep him occupied, and stuff like that that were betrayals, but working with Crowley and opening Purgatory and trying to become God had nothing to do with letting Dean down.


    I think it is inherently problematic that since Dean's POV is the moral compass for the show, every characters' actions have to be agreed to by Dean or it is somehow letting him down or betraying him, and whatever he decides gets a pass unless he chooses to feel guilt. He can be very mercurial: today killing a virgin isn't justification to save a whole building full of people, tomorrow killing Kevin's mom is totally A-ok; today all monsters should die, tomorrow, they get to be friends. Bringing that issue and Dean's choices vs the ability of the rest of the cast to make their own choice irrespective of Dean to the forefront instead of leaving it as an underlying problem is causing a bit of fandom wars and a certainly a lot of finger pointing.

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  155. Jessie10 November 2012 at 03:49

    Garth had called Bobby asking him what he should do about something. Bobby told him to call the FBI. So Garth calls Bobby's FBI number. I think it was Weekend at Bobby's

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  156. DngnRdr10 November 2012 at 07:37

    I said "seems to" and not sure what's going to turn out happened with Cas. But IIRC the humans he killed was when he was "drunk " on the power of all the souls... so it could be argued he wasn't properly in control.

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  157. chris68410 November 2012 at 16:24

    I'd make the argument that most monsters can make a better case of not having control than a creature who is drunk on power. Vampires have an insatiable blood lust, werewolves (except for apparently pedigree werewolves) loose their control around the full moon, Amy (can't remember the name of the monster she was) needed to eat human brains to survive.



    This is why I think the debate shouldn't be (and hasn't been on the show, as opposed to the fandom) about whether the monster has killed before, but whether they are a current danger to society. Most monsters are sympathetic if you take a close look at them. And many humans eat animal flesh, which really isn't that different. Humans are a different species to monsters. Animals are a different species to humans. That's why the debate shouldn't be about judging, it should be about saving lives.

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  158. Karen Kaiser26 November 2012 at 03:02

    Sam sticking up for himself? For what Dean not letting Sam abuse him? When Sam told Dean to knock it off or he'd hit the road I wanted Dean to offer Sam a ride to the bus station but once again the writers have Dean cleaning up Sam's messes and forgiving Sam. Dean never gave up on Sam and has every right to be hurt and angry that Sam gave up on Dean. Not to mention the bad/abusive behavior Sam's picked up from Amelia and using on Dean. When did Sam become Dean's dad and demand to know where Dean goes 24/7? When was it agreed that Sam has the right to disapprove/insult Dean's friends? Sam is acting possessive of Dean and needs to be told to back off. He pissy that Dean took sometime to help a friend since Kevin case was stalled not cause Dean/Benny but cause he knows Dean was right that Sam was wrong to leave a kid to fend for himself without at least passing the info to another Hunter such as /Jefferson John's friend.

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  159. Luana Arturi Scornik15 December 2012 at 18:06

    sam standing up for himself?? come on, he's being a complete moron. Every time both of them have looked for each other and he didn't move a finger to find dean, he had to escape himself, you know what that means? than dean cannot trust sam's loyalty anymore. Not ever.

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  160. Luana Arturi20 December 2012 at 13:02

    sam standing up for himself?? come on, he's being a complete moron. Every time both of them have looked for each other and he didn't move a finger to find dean, he had to find a way to escape from purgatory on his own. Do you know what that means? than dean cannot trust sam's loyalty anymore. Not ever.

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