“There’s no need for your sword” Gwen to Leon
“It’s a long way north of dangerous!” Gaius to Merlin
“He also has a fondness for assassinating his friends” Gaius to Arthur
“You’ll be glad when death comes” Morgana to Merlin
“At night you could hear its cries; they were even more heart breaking than Morgana” Sarrum to Arthur and Gwen
“I’m not sure I believe you” Sarrum to Gwen
“I need to warn Arthur before it’s too late” Merlin to Daegal
“If you value your lives, you won’t take another step” Merlin to Bandit Gang
“She had magic, and Uther killed her for it” Daegal to Merlin
“We have to do something about her” Merlin to Gaius
Trailer Teaser
If I lose her, I lose everything.
mmm... I'll give my try on the trailer teaser:
ReplyDelete"If Gwen ..., I lose everything"... can't figure out what could be in a three character word
If I lose her, I lose everything ...
ReplyDeleteof course... better than mine... actually I think its perfect :)
ReplyDeleteOh great, more stupid A/G romance. When it will end?
ReplyDeleteThank you for the teasers. How did you find the episode? I guess this is the one with almost no scenes with both Arthur and Merlin?
ReplyDeletewell, I for one have had enough of stupid Arthur/Merlin 'bromance' so I think it is time that Arwen get their share!!
ReplyDeleteso stupid like that fucking bromance we see every week?get a life.ahhhhhhhhhhhh
ReplyDeletei'm so sick and tired of some of u merthur shippers.seriously,allow us arwen fans to be happy like we do.
ReplyDeleteExfu*kingscusme but the show is called M E R L I N not blo*dy Guinevere so DEAL WITH IT. We have too many unfinished business, you got you fair share of fairytale already, be grateful!
ReplyDeleteI am grateful darling... but on the other hand seems Merthur fans can be quite GREEDY... like you said, the show is called MERLIN, and not MERTHUR, so be grateful you too.
ReplyDeleteSandi, whilst seeing the preview for next week, it seemed to me that Gwen's enchantment was fading away in this episode? I
ReplyDeletethink she looked doubtful when she is looking in the mirror and Arthur
can be seen behind her, and also I am sure there was a bit where she was
crying... anyone else notice?Sandi can you tell me if I may be right or if I am imagining things? thanks as always :D
May I point out that the show is also not called ARWEN?
ReplyDeleteof course... that is why there should be a balance of both Merthur and Arwen, yet whilst I, and others, have had to witness loads of Merthur all this season and little if any Arwen at all, I cannot see why Merthur fans start complaining the minute they see a glimpse of any Arwen, and calling it 'stupid'...
ReplyDeleteTeaser:
ReplyDeleteIf I tell him, I lose everything
Hope its Merlin about telling Arthur! (but I'm feeling less hopeful for the reveal as this season goes on)
nobody is forcing u to watch anything here.
ReplyDeletemore Gwen screentime yipeee. Angel is rocking it this season. best actor on the show imho
ReplyDeleteSince the title is Hollow Queen, do we get more Gwen scenes here? I love watching Angel because she's such a brilliant actress. I can't wait for this storyline to be resolved though. I just want my Arthur/Gwen love back. Ep 9 sounds like the end of the enchantment.
ReplyDeleteThanks Sandi. Can you give us any hints as to whether other people start to suspect that Gwen is not herself? Arthur perhaps? Enjoying the screen time Angel Coulby is getting with this storyline, but looking forward to the end of enchanted Gwen storyline.
ReplyDeleteAs a fan of Arthur and Gwen, i see bring on more Arwen. The more the better.
ReplyDeleteand what exactly you are so happy about may I ask? About enchanted Gwen being all sweet to Arthur and wanting to kill him while saying she will slay her life for him. Does it make you happy? So, does not matter how evil Gwen is at the moment telling lies to Arthur and everyone else, putting Merlin to jail and stabbing innocent man, as far as she spent entire episode on the screen and next to Arthur it make it all perfect for you Arwen fans? Makes me wonder...
ReplyDeleteIf it'not for "Stupid bromance" as you so lovingly pointed out and chemistry between Bradley & Colin, this show would never live over the first season. They made it last and made it loved. The Romance is only visible in big pink glasses. I cannot see it for the life of me. Oh, and no, I'm not a shipper of any description, just an ordinary fan who happen to love the show for the true male friendship.
ReplyDeleteJust explain me please, where did you see any so called Arwen???? If killing people while making sweet talks is OK for you??? This is what the last episode was all about. There was no Arwen, it was one big fat LIE in case you missed it.
ReplyDeleteThis sounded like a Merlin centric episode from the PR, but he's not in it much as we expected at all. If anything, Gaius takes on Merlin's role (in more ways than one) at court throughout it.
ReplyDeletewell, I thank god we live in a free country where everyone is entitled for his own opinion, and I am free not to agree with your reasoning, as I never could make myself to do.
ReplyDeleteNope, if anything she's more evil and conniving throughout this than in the last one. She's thinking like crazy of an excuse to make up to explain away something Morgana has done whilst looking in the mirror.
ReplyDeleteno no let me explain as I think you misunderstood me. there was no Arwen in this episode, I know this was all a lie, I don't need you to explain/point out that to me, thank you very much, I can see that for myself well enough. what I meant by Arwen was in what is supposed to happen in Episode 9 where they finally reconcile, and I was just pointing out to Merthur fans, that just cause we may finally have a glimpse of some happy Arwen in episode 9, there was no need to complain about it, cause in whole 9 episodes we got nothing but torture. that is what i meant.
ReplyDeleteShe does expose her evilness to a couple of people, but they don't know if to believe her or not.
ReplyDeleteSo is this another Gwen centric episode?
ReplyDeleteoh I see... thanks a lot for that :) I can rest my hopes now :) And in that scene where she seems crying? it is also evil-planning? thanks as always :)
ReplyDeleteI'm praying for some good Merlin/Morgana scenes :D I think we see a glimpse of one in the trailer. yey.
ReplyDeleteoh yes I also look forward to that... there hasn't been enough of that this season. From that clip, do you think the Druid boy is trying to save Merlin or doing the contrary?
ReplyDeleteNo, there really has not. :(
ReplyDeleteAnd I'm not sure, you see him on the hill when Morgana pushes Merlin off, but then you also see him.. Well, holding Merlin when he's on the ground bleeding, so I'm not sure D:
But it looks to be a good episode! :D
yes it looks so too. these past 2 episodes have been great, and seems that the next two will be great as well. I think I would go as far as to say that they are the best this season, in my opinion...I miss those scenes where Morgana is terrified of Emrys and he shows off his skills etc... hope we get a glimpse of that in this episode
ReplyDeleteI really loved The Dark Tower and I thought this Saturday's episode was good too- wasn't my favourite- but I thought the acting was amazing from all of them. they've really showed their acting potential's this seires and I love it!
ReplyDeleteAnd yes! In the Servant Of Two Masters I laughed out loud when Morgana saw Emrys, her face was priceless!
I know LOADS of people will disagree, but I'd much rather see Morgana know of Merlin's powers than Arthur, just in the mean time :3
last episode was just arghh :( my poor gwen and Tyr. can't wait till this enchantment is over to be honest.
ReplyDeletebut I loved Angel Coulby acting her butt out, she was absolutely amazing.
I really love how she is getting more screen-time this season which is great for me :) since she is pretty much the reason why I watch this show.
I wish this was just a Gwen-centric show. lol
thanks for the teasers again Sandi :)
“I need to warn Arthur before it’s too late” Merlin to Gaius
If I **** ***, * **** everything.
if I lose her, I lose everything. This is either Morgana or Arthur talking about Gwen.
agreed... amazing acting... and even if I am a fan of good-natured Gwen, I have to say I loved this new role (as long as it is temporary) and really enjoyed it! Angel really stunned me with her acting in this one...
ReplyDeleteI will not be one to disagree with you... I think it would give the story a twist if Morgana knew...on the road for the eventual reveal...but at least Morgana would know who her real enemy is hehe.
I'm really not happy about this. Does this mean that we don't follow him in his quest with the druid boy?
ReplyDeleteYou can have a show with a titular character and an ensemble cast with their own storylines. Merlin hasn't been sidelined in this storyline. He actually played a significant role in 5x06 and 5x07 and is going to continue to do so since he's the one who knows that there's something wrong with Gwen. I don't see anyone complaining when the show focuses on Morgana or Arthur but the minute Gwen gets a storyline, it's boo, boo the show isn't called Guinevere.
ReplyDeleteOne of the things that makes main characters iinteresting is their relationship and interaction with a variety of other characters, not just one. And so far what this storyline is doing is giving Merlin more interaction with characters other than Arthur.
Also please refrain from being rude and talking down to people. I don't see you guys complaining when time is being wasted on Merlin/Arthur pratfalls and queerbaiting nonesense. They get the majority of screentime in most episodes yet their relationship hasn't developed and remains stagnant. Perhaps you should be more mad at the fact that your unfinished business is being wasted on that.
I think Colin Morgan is way better than any other actor of the show. But Angel Coulby is good.
ReplyDeleteYep we do, the PR just mislead many of us into thinking that all the action would be with Merlin and a quest away from Camelot. It's pretty much balanced out cast wise again this week, thou I'd say Gaius probably has more to do than normal, and the knights are underused :(
ReplyDeleteSorry, not sure which scene you mean?
ReplyDeleteI think there's only one scene with them together, it's very brief thou.
ReplyDeletesome good guesses :)
ReplyDeleteThanks for replying with details. Your efforts are always appreciated.
ReplyDeleteI don't want arwen, I don't want Merthur. I just want Merlin! Merlin is the title of the show and should be the one we see more in this show.
ReplyDeleteDo you know if episodes 9 and 10 will give us more Merlin's confrontation with Morgana ?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hvItmFQD54
ReplyDeleteMmm I think it's clear... :P
in the trailer there is the briefest moment when gwen look as though she's in tears - although i'm going to assume she's putting it on .....
ReplyDeleteI was upset with Merlin being sent to jail and the fact that she killed that stable hand. That's what ruined the episode for me. BUT I'm beyond happy with her acting all sweet to Arthur while hating him and wanting to kill him, was almost delirious when she lied to Gauis, very happy with the way she was manipulating the knights. It was almost felt like christmas came early to be quite honest.
ReplyDeleteExcept that he just recently said that Gwen's more important to Arthur. But nice try. Stop with the childishness, please.
ReplyDeleteHaha, he said it with a long-suffering face and wasn't even sure about it. It was a diplomatic response which is good for Bradley. Compared to the 'no contest' it's nothing.
ReplyDeleteexactly what I was referring to, thanks :)
ReplyDeleteI just had another look at the promo, I'm still not sure what scene you mean, sorry :(
ReplyDeletethe bit i mean is about 19secs into the trailer, but honestly don't worry i'm sure all will be revealed :)
ReplyDeleteAhh, I see. She's not crying there I'm afraid iirc. I can check against the episode a bit later on when I get home, but I think she's just creeping around the castle.
ReplyDeleteactually, from what Sandi said earlier, I am sure it will also be mockery since she said that Gwen will be even more evil in this one than in the previous one... so I think it was false hope...
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen that video, link, please? ^^
ReplyDeleteSorry, but... he does not hesitate for a second to answer...I don't get the impression it's a "diplomatic" answer... but well, each one will see what they want to see... haha (sorry for my bad english, it's not my mother language ^^)
ReplyDeleteI just had a look at the episode, she does have a tear in her eye, it was a different piece to what I thought it was, sorry.
ReplyDeleteNo idea I'm afraid, I've only seen up to ep 8.
ReplyDeleteHe also said for Arthur Guinevere is the most important and for the show (and this is the snide bit that you clearly missed) the bromance is important. That is a recent update, but you wouldn't quote that would you? Doesn't serve your bullshit.
ReplyDeleteLoving this last episode and looknig forward to 5.08 and 5.09 and 5.10 yes, bring it.
ReplyDeleteso weird cause in the trailer it definitely looks like she's crying... maybe they cut the scene in the actual ep?!
ReplyDeleteI replied below about it :)
ReplyDelete“There’s no need for your sword” Arthur to Sarrum
ReplyDelete“It’s a long way north of DANGEROUS!” can't claim this one as mine!
“He also has a fondness for assassinating his friends” Merlin about Sarrum
“You’ll be glad when GAIUS comes”
“At night you could hear its cries; they were even more heart breaking than Morgana” oohh - this seems to be about Aithusa,
“I’m not sure I believe you”
“I need to warn Arthur before it’s too late” well, sounds like Merlin
“If you value your lives, you won’t TAKE ANOTHER STEP” not from me either, but Merlin?
“She had magic, and Uther killed her for it” the druid boy to Merlin about his mum
“We have to do something about her” Merlin to Gaius about Gwen
If I lose her I lose everything - I hope NOT Arthur about Gwen, Mordred about his new girlfriend (or am I mixing up the next episodes?)
no problem... so does that scene where she is crying show sign of retribution or is it still acting?
ReplyDeleteNot that anyone needs to explain themselves to you, but Arthur being utterly besotted with his wife wasn't a lie at all? Arthur playing the role of adoring husband was endearing AND heartbreaking in light of Gwen's treachery. It made for great television in case you missed it.
ReplyDeleteThey're married. It never ends. Sorry!
ReplyDeleteLast season Morgana kidnapped and tortured Merlin and he went on to try to kill Arthur. Merlin/Morgana shippers were excited to see Merlin and Morgana together. And Arthur/Merlin shippers were excited to see Arthur hug Merlin even though Merlin was evil and murderous at the time. Did that make you wonder as well?
ReplyDeleteHow old are you? Marriages end all the time. Some are built on lies to begin with. And we all know who is the half making Arthur whole in this show is :)
ReplyDeleteI'm a happily married 30-year old that has never felt desperate enough to make a competition out of the relationships on the show. It's a pity you're so bothered by the show's only canon romance, but cheer up; this is the last season. You won't have to endure it for much longer.
ReplyDeleteAnd, I hate to bring this up because I love Arthur and Merlin's relationship, but let me remind you that some friendships are steeped in lies as well.
ReplyDeleteAlso I have never seen besotted Arthur. As much as Bradley
ReplyDeleteis trying to portray him as such it does not work for me. All I can see is
sibling vibe, or friends at most, which the actors are and it does translate on
screen, but love is far too strong and not very easy to convey. I do not wear
pink glasses, sorry, and hence see things for what they are.
I'll answer about the "great television" in the hug point you made.
Well, I’ll speak for myself and I did not like the hug scene
ReplyDeleteat all, for the sole reason that Merlin was not himself and was not in it, he
did not even acknowledge that Arthur was worried and very happy to see him. I
did not like it a tiny bit. I love Colin to bits and the episode was enjoyable
none the less because of his brilliant acting, however it did not bring any
value to the story arc and the show in general, the same as the last episode I
was talking about in my original post. It was the weakest episode this season
that I put in line with Lamia last season. No value, no common sense and very average acting apart from Colin himself.
I see, you are so in love with Angel Colby that anything her
ReplyDeletecharacter does is beside the point. No worries. That was splendid explanation,
I only hope that all those kids who watch the show do not have the same
attitude.
You asked what it was about Arthur and Gwen in this episode that appealed to others. I answered you. It doesn't matter at all that you view the pair as siblings/friends because in the show they are written as a married couple. That is the way things are.
ReplyDeleteRight, I wanted to know what you thought of Merlin/Morgana and Merlin/Arthur shippers that very much enjoyed their dynamic in this episode. Since you're so quick to look down upon Arthur/Gwen shippers this time around.
ReplyDeleteI think you mean Angel Coulby. Well the sad thing is that Gwen's character is not the one that's actually doing this as well all know :'( It just feels good for the moment because she is treating them the same loyalty and respect they have given her in the past.
ReplyDeleteThe only think I really wonder about is how demented you have to be to believe there is a Merthur and how easily you transfer your malice to others
ReplyDeleteSince Bradley points out how they'd do anything for one another I don't suppose it will end until one or the other dies.
ReplyDeleteOnly people like you seem to be obsesses with the title. One would think that by now you would have realized that this show revolves around Arthur. Merlin's only role is to keep him safe. Gwen's is to love him. Arthur's is to pull Albion together. Beginning to see the common thread?
ReplyDeleteArthur would do anything for many people. He risk his life for every person in need, so I don't see much difference with Gwen. I advice you to give - Arthur/Gwen will never be liked be everybody or by the majority of people watching the show. Nothing wrong with that.
ReplyDeleteIn case you haven't noticed, Arthur is not enchanted. His love is very real and even though Gwen is, we see how they interacted together before the enchantment. They had, and will have again (know that makes you happy) a mutual loving relationship as they are friends and lovers. Is that why you are upset? It makes clear who Arthur's lover is. Gwen, not Merlin!
ReplyDeleteIt works for you or you wouldn't be here loosing your mind. OMG, when he ran his hand across her midriff. No words. When he said I"m here Guinevere. I all but well you don't want to know what happened to me in that moment;)
ReplyDeleteThat is an opinion...Yours. While I love the FRIENDSHIP between Merlin and Arthur, I and most people, like the arc of all the characters...Mine. We all have them and yours is no more valid than any other.
ReplyDeleteIs that what you tell yourself to feel better. He said it again in his fanhattan interview and pointed out how mutual it was. Loved it.
ReplyDeleteYes we do. Bradley did say that "when you love someone more than anything, you'd do any thing for them. Arthur would do anything for Guinevere." That long suffering some of you saw was him missing her;).
ReplyDeleteNo it's Merlin's role to pull Albion together. Merlin doesn't just keep Arthur safe. He does everything because the king can't do anything. The show revolves around Merlin and only him.
ReplyDeleteYou can only speak for you or the noisy minority who are on line. The show is watched by some 7+ million people every week. Most enjoy all aspects of the show. Not an imaginary sexual relationship between Arthur and Merlin. Yeah, about the anything. His words seemed to weigh heavily in S3. Plus he did say "When you LOVE someone more than anything you'd do anything for them." That kinda distinguishes him doing for her based on love versus the duty you speak of ;).
ReplyDeleteI would love the hangman spoiler please... bring on the suspense :)
ReplyDeleteyou're welcome :)
ReplyDeletewhen you see Episode 9 can oyu let us know if it is a good Arwen episode please? We've been dying for a proper one all season :)
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I would appreciate if you refrain from strong expressions. I did not offend anyone and expect the same attitude towards me.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, I do not know from what part of my comment you picked that I’m a “shipper” of any description. Arthur & Merlin are close friends and that’s what I personally enjoy about this show, the bromance, which if I’m not mistaken, means platonic love & affection between two males. Sadly romance part of the show never was convincing enough for me, so I just put up with it, but my moral believes do not sit well with people screaming about love when only one member of the pair is apparently feeling it and the second half hate the first one with vengeance.
I'll do my best, depends on what I'm allowed to say once the episode comes through.
ReplyDeleteYes, sorry, Angel Coulby, my brain goes faster than my hands.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot be serious, since when Gwen was not respected and who treated her like she treats everyone now?! The only person who did not respect her was Uther and he is dead long ago.
You wanted to know my thoughts, here they are:
ReplyDeleteMorgana & Merlin was totally different story. That episode was intended as humorous, while here it’s a lot more serious and sinister and the implications are a lot more severe. Merlin’s mind was controlled by femora (or whatever was the spelling for the creature) and it was obvious to see, while Gwen changed her attitude from Love to Hate with no apparent reasons One minute Gwen did not believe anything Morgana said and the next minute she was trusting her implicitly. How did it happen? Where was the evidence that Gwen was enchanted? There was no enchantment as such, not any shown on the screen anyway. The roots act while you are exposed to them and Gwen is far away from them now. There was not logic in it The producers do not expect viewers to analyse anything obviously, that’s what the problem is. Things just happen, but the outcome comes across a lot different to Morgana/Merlin scenario. As I mentioned, I’m not a fan of either of these episodes, they both are fillers with no character development and huge plot holes.
oh yes of course... just if we'll like it or not will do hehe :) thanks as always
ReplyDeleteWell, this is kind of the point, isn’t it?! Arthur was in it alone while Gwen hated everyone & everything. As far as I understand Arwen is Arthur AND Gwen. When one party is amiss, it’s no longer Arwen. I honestly thought that all Arwen fans would be upset that in the episode when there was abundance of Arthur & Gwen scenes, Gwen was not herself, but no, morals are not part of that, it seems.
ReplyDeleteI’m sure you’ve mistaken me for someone else I have no idea what are you talking about in this comment. I also did not realise that to be here one absolutely must love Gwen and hate Arthur with Merlin. I thought it’s a free blog opened for all. I was here because I’m passionate about the show and still have a shred of hope that we will see Merlin & Arthur as TRUE friends and Arthur as strong king of Camelot. I'll put up with whatever screen time Gwen has.
ReplyDeleteI notice a lot more than you can possibly imagin, it's my job description. I do not care who is whos lover which seems to be a huge issue for you.
ReplyDeleteI repeat again. I do not “ship” anybody. I admire Arthur & Merlin FRIENDSHIP, love their acting. I believe Merlin to be true adviser to Arthur and wish Arthur knew the truth and was more mature and worthy to be called the king and did not doubt himself all the time. I consider changing your decision based on what your wife said over your loyal friend’s advice (who proved to be right time and time again) is a sign of weakness for a king. It’s just another proof that Arthur is not the king of the legend just yet and he will never get there by the sound of it. This was the objective of the show from the start. Bringing magic back was another objective. We are yet to see a glimpse of the great Wizard that Merlin meant to be. How much Arthur loves his wife and how he destroys Camelot was not an objective as I can remember, it was not even part of this instalment when it started, but by the looks of it this betrayal will play a vital part in the Camelot demise. That’s what upsets me. IMHO the romance is not believable enough part of the show that slows the main story arcs and prevents any development for the knights, for example, who are totally waisted.
To put it very plain – no, I do not expect Arthur to LOVE Merlin in the meaning you are implying, I expect Arthur to respect Merlin for who he is and lack of it does upset me.
Right, so you are one of those crazy people who totally convinced that Bradley & Angel are in love for real. Should that be true they would have a lot more chemistry on screen I'm sure. Good luck with your dreams. I feel sorry for Bradley to be all PR for the sake of the audience and his finished contract.
ReplyDeleteIf I lose her, I lose everything.
ReplyDeleteI wish there was a twist, but no, they need to make Arthur into a week man not deserving to be King...
I'm sorry this thread became a wrestling match btw Arwen and Merthur shippers, sadly this happens a lot in this fandom... anyway thanks for the great job you always do with your teasers! :)
ReplyDeleteIt could be Morgana as this is the closest she's ever been in "getting rid" of Arthur. I mean Gwen was almost successful if Merlin hadn't used magic to stop the poison. So she does not want to lose her "prized possession."
ReplyDeleteI probably have all of them wrong :)
ReplyDelete“There’s no need for your sword” Gwen to the assassin
“It’s a long way north of dangerous!” Gaius to Merlin
“He also has a fondness for assassinating his friends” Gwen to Arthur
“You’ll be glad when death comes” Daegal to Merlin
“At night you could hear its cries; they were even more heart breaking than Morgana” Sarrum to Merlin?(about Aithusa I guess)
“I’m not sure I believe you” Sarrum to Gwen
“I need to warn Arthur before it’s too late” Merlin to Daegal
“If you value your lives, you won’t take another step” Merlin to bandits
“She had magic, and Uther killed her for it” Morgana to Merlin
“We have to do something about her” Merlin to Gaius
Trailer Teaser
If I lose her, I lose everything. Morgana
True, very true. As if one will change the other. On another note, those teasers are a doozy but fun to guess.
ReplyDeleteIf I lose her, I lose everything. OMG! Arthur about his Guinevere. AMAZING!
ReplyDeleteCannot wait. These last two episodes 5x06 and 5x07 have been the BEST of the season so far!!!
Who knew evil!Queen could be sooo good. Angel Coulby is brilliant, I was shocked, intrigued, and given a good laugh at times. Especially with the scene between Gwen and Gaius, 'how is Arthur?' then evil smile! Amazing.
Can't wait to get normalGwen back.
Guys, it would be really great if we could please take the shipper discussions to the respective forums and message boards. This just isn't really the place for it.
ReplyDeleteAfter all Sandi takes the time and care to provide us with these great spoilers and teasers. It is a little disrespectful towards her (oh g-d, Sandi, I hope you are in fact a girl *g*) to spam her threads like that. It also means it probably takes her a lot more time going through all the comments (currenctly a 105) to find the ones that are asking her specific questions about an upcoming episode.
So how about if we all just focus on the great stuff Sandi provides, have a bit of fun playing the guessing game and enjoy the show for those remaining 6 episodes? :) It will all be over soon enough/too soon and after the show ends none of those ships and shipper wars will matter anyway, really (I don't ship anything, so I'm kind of on the outside looking in *g*).
Let's just all remind ourselves that at one point we ALL fell in love with this terrific little show - and that this is what brought us together. After all, we all are different folks with different strokes. Besides, this show is far too great to fight over, right? :)
Returning to my lurker corner and back to your regular programme, over to you, Sandi. :D
This second half of the season has been as fantastic as they promised season 5 would be.
ReplyDeleteI think...
"IF I LOSE HER, I LOSE EVERYTHING" Should be Arthur to Guinevere
From the beginning of s5 we've been hearing him talk about how much he loves Gwen. Like to his father in 5x03. But we truly saw the King and Queen, husband and wife bond through 5x06 when Arthur was bereft, heartbroken and just losing it, over Gwen's kidnapping. (Great potrayal from Bradley James BTW) Now knowing that 5x08 is called the Hollow Queen and 5x09 is called With All My Heart it looks like this line is Arthur talking about Gwen
OR....
Morgana about Guinevere, because of the fact if she loses control of Guinevere then she can't destroy Arthur or Camelot. Honestly this would make sense as well. But it also a plus because it means her hold on Gwen might be slipping. One can hope. Having Morgana outsmart Arthur again will be frustrating. He's been King for three years now, he should be wiser. Also means we might get to see more of Morgana and Gwen together. Although disturbing because Gwen's enchanted it's been refreshing to have them on screen together.
OR
least likely Mordred to his little girlfriend. It's too far in the future and a bit far fetched because he's been fine to be without her all this time. Lol.
Leave a message...
ReplyDeleteThis second half of the season has been as fantastic as they promised season 5 would be.
I think...
"IF I LOSE HER, I LOSE EVERYTHING" Should be Arthur about Guinevere
From the beginning of s5 we've been hearing him talk about how much
he loves Gwen. Like to his father in 5x03. But we truly saw the King and
Queen, husband and wife bond through 5x06 when Arthur was bereft,
heartbroken and just losing it, over Gwen's kidnapping. (Great potrayal
from Bradley James BTW) Now knowing that 5x08 is called the Hollow Queen
and 5x09 is called With All My Heart it looks like this line is Arthur
talking about Gwen
OR....
Morgana about Guinevere, because of the fact if she loses control of
Guinevere then she can't destroy Arthur or Camelot. Honestly this would
make sense as well. But it also a plus because it means her hold on Gwen
might be slipping. One can hope. Having Morgana outsmart Arthur again
will be frustrating. He's been King for three years now, he should be
wiser. Also means we might get to see more of Morgana and Gwen together.
Although disturbing because Gwen's enchanted it's been refreshing to
have them on screen together.
OR
least likely Mordred to his little girlfriend. It's too far in the
future and a bit far fetched because he's been fine to be without her
all this time. Lol.
Now I have a question for Sandi, too: I read that a certain someone might be a little *cough* "leg-compromised" in this episode. My guess is that certain one has mighty big ears? ;)
ReplyDeleteOnly answer that one, if it doesn't give away to much, please.
LOL. You been expressing hatred for Gwen/Angel for a couple of years now. Both Arthur and Gwen love one another. For those of us in the real world knowing Morgana has control of Gwen does not negate the love Gwen actually feels for Arthur. Even though at this moment it's only real for Arthur it's no less insight into what their true relationship is. You have moral beliefs? I question that just based on the venom you spewed towards Angel/Gwen here and on TV.com. Morals would tend to lead one to like Gwen. She is constant loyal and true to all her friends. Morally speaking I mean.
ReplyDeleteI'd love a little hangman game :)
ReplyDelete“There’s no need for your sword” Gwen to Sarrum?
ReplyDelete“It’s a long way north of dangerous!” ?Gwaine to Merlin
“He also has a fondness for assassinating his friends” ?Merlin to Arthur
“You’ll be glad when DEATH comes” ? Daegal to Merlin
“At night you could hear its cries; they were even more heart breaking than Morgana” Sarrum to Arthur?
“I’m not sure I believe you” ?Sarrum to Gwen
“I need to warn Arthur before it’s too late” ? Merlin to Daegal
“If you value your lives, you won’t take another step” Merlin to the assassin?
“She had magic, and Uther killed her for it” ?Daegal to Merlin
“We have to do something about her” ? Merlin to Gaius
The only character who isn't respected like he should be is Merlin himself.
ReplyDeleteAww, many thanks for the kind words, and yes, I'm a girl :)
ReplyDeleteI find it really offensive that you address all this to me personally
ReplyDeletewhile it’s the first time I ever spoken to you and second time to anyone else
on this blog. I’m not a member of TV.com, in case the same nickname is used there, it’s not me. I do not hate Gwen, in fact I used to like her in the first season. When writing for her character changed dramatically it was no longer appealing to me. It’s entirely my right to like or be indifferent to an actor or a
character, but it does not mean that I hate them. You are obviously mixing me
with someone else and far too aggressive in your defences. Please tone it down
a bit.
Ever thought that perhaps they deliberately left out what exactly happened to Gwen in the Dark Tower so they could create surprise and then explore it in a subsequent episode? The storyline with Merlin being captured and controlled by Morgana only spanned for one episode so off course they had to explain everything in that episode. Why not wait until you've seen all 4 episodes for this storyline before you start casting judgement. Also you still didn't answer that question about your reaction to the Merthur shippers cheering about Merlin and Arthur hugging even though Merlin was possessed and wanted to kill him. Doesn't matter if what was controlling him was different from Gwen's. He still attempted serveral times to kill Arthur and if it wasn't for Gwen and Gaius stopping him, he might have succeeded. Just because they played it for laughs doesn't mean that his intentions were any less sinister than Gwen's intentions in 5x08.
ReplyDeleteI like yoru train of thoughts :)
ReplyDeleteLong-suffering face? Lol. Poor thing doesn't know what a long suffering face looks like. Nice try. He must really be suffering from it so much that he felt the need to say the same thing in another interview that he just had. And to explain that he thought that Gwen also felt the same way about Arthur. Done with your nonesense. Do try and learn what a long suffering face looks like though.
ReplyDeleteEspecially that one. It's been like what, 10 years (by the show's timeline) of Merlin lying to him. And not just about the fact that he has magic.
ReplyDeleteTBH I do not believe anything will be explained. I’ve been with this show from the very beginning and as the time pass my hopes for any explanations of any kind fade away.
ReplyDeleteAlso I’m afraid that most fans are hard to explain. My reaction? Mostly the same as to the last episode. Why does it make corresponding “ship” happy while the other party is not himself / herself??? I was not happy about the hug at all and still waiting for a real one, I do not believe that will ever come though. Having said that, the part that did make me happy was the fact that Arthur actually showed his real feelings for Merlin. He was worried and he was really happy to see Merlin to the extent that he actually went to hug him. That was a big move on Arthur’s part expressing something he normally keeps hidden. I suspect that was why Murthur fans were over the moon with it.
With Gwen, however, it’s a different story. Arthur compliments her ever since I remember, he is not the same man with her as he is with Merlin, so there was nothing new on Arthur part. The reason I asked that question in the first place was because A/G fans complained about no romantic scenes and they seemed very happy about the ones in the last episode while Gwen was not herself. So all Arthur’s affection was falling on deaf ears and the scenes were not REAL, the same as that hug was not, while at least the hug brought something new to the picture, when this scenes had nothing really to be
happy about. If I was A/G hard core fan I would be furious.
I’m not sure if that answers what you wanted to hear, English is not my native language, it’s not always easy to express what I mean.
But just because Arthur expresses his feelings for Gwen more freely doesn't mean that A/G fans shouldn't see it as special or something to be happy about when he does. The A/G fans on here have already said that even though they are aware that things weren't real on Gwen's part, it was real on Arthur's part so that's why they were happy. That isn't really any different from you and Merthur fans being happy about Arthur expressing his feelings for Merlin in 4x06 even though it wasn't real on Merlin's part. It's pretty much the same thing. Again, just because Arthur expresses his feelings for Gwen all the time doesn't mean that A/G fans shouldn't be happy about it when he does. Especially since A/G doesn't get a lot of screentime on the show.
ReplyDeleteAlso episode 5x09 is about Merlin trying to free Gwen from whatever control Morgana's got on her so it'd be really hard for them to not explain what exactly that control is. If anything you'd have an idea of what happened from whatever "treatment" he has to use.
Also while in the past, this show relied on more stand alone episodes that if you didn't learn something from that episode, you'd never find out about again, this season they've tried to make the episodes more searlized and have withheld information from one episdoe and then provided more information about it in a later episode. They've been doing that with what happened to Morgana in the 3 year gap so it's still possible that they're going to do the same with Gwen in this storyline.
You may think whatever you want, but well, the impression Bradley has left from this interviews is that he is done with Merlin as a whole and his answers about Arthur/Gwen were long-suffering and un-inspired. He was literally searching for words. Compare this answers with how he talks about Arthur/Merlin relationship or about his own friendship with Tom and others and it's obvious to see.
ReplyDeleteI admire your optimism. It looks like you are enjoying this story and I'm sure you will have 4 whole "epic" episodes with rehashed story lines revolving around your favourit character with holes instead of the plot and lovely chunk of betrayal in the middle, after all this is what the fans are looking for apparently. I cannot enjoy it because I see the holes and not the plot ( I would like to be proved wrong in the next 2 episdoes, but I'm not a fan of betrayal of any kind and hence will not be able to appreciate it fully) At the end of the day I sure will have my fair share of Bromance because according to Angel Coulby: "Merlin and Arthur are still very close friends. I do not think even Gwen could get in the way of that bromance" I also do not lose hope that Arthur will finally learn who kept him, his wife and the whole Camelot alive all these years.
ReplyDeleteVey well put! I specifically went to listen to that interview yesterday and got the same impression.
ReplyDeleteIt's for real, but (as ever) there's a twist to it.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I think I know which teaser you mean. I really can't say who it's about, more because there are two options they could be thinking of more than anything else :o
ReplyDeleteooohhh... interesting... but at least she is starting to come back to her senses...
ReplyDeleteYou're so good at these! The missing word is correct ;)
ReplyDeletenope, she's evil all through out this episode I'm afraid
ReplyDeleteoh... ah well :(
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more with your comment. We just need to wait until episode 9 ends and this boring storyline is over.
ReplyDeletewow are you serious? The logic in this fandom is always a surprise. Arthur loving Gwen more than Camelot make him a weak king? lmaooooo! BUT!!! What about all the bad decisions that he keeps making? what about how insecure he is about everything? how he is blind to everything? his attitude towards magic? what about the fact that Merlin pretty much has to guide him on every decision he has made? the hypocrisy, self-doubt and self-pity are what make Arthur a weak king. What's actually makes him a good king is the fact that he CARES a lot about people. The fact that unlike what Uther did to his poor wife, Arthur wouldn't sacrifice Gwen's life for Camelot, the fact that he would die for his man-servant, the fact that he now seems to respect people no matter what rank they are that's why he has made non-noble man knights, the fact that he thinks every single person's life in Camelot is important. I could go on forever.
ReplyDeleteBuuuuuuuuuuuut I don't think you have to worry about Arthur coming across as a "weak king" Mary, I think Morgana is the one that says that line.
thanks! lol And thanks for doing this again for doing this Sandi! sorry that we get little passionate and start spamming the page with things that are not really relevant lol. Is there any Merlin and Gwen scenes in episode?
ReplyDeleteThanks :)
ReplyDelete*wipes sweat of forehead* A, what a relieve, lol! :D And seriously, I really appreciate, along with so many others, what you are doing here. Not just because of the fact that you post those spoilers, but because of how you do it. It... WETS the appetite, but doesn't SPOIL it. You know? And that's exactly what a perfectly spoiler should be like. The guessing is just so much fun (and I love the hangman thingy!!!). So keep up the great work, Sandy, much appreciated and you are doing it just right! :)
ReplyDelete*grins* I know who it is now and what happens, so I'm good, hon. :) Thanks! :)
ReplyDeleteTOTALLY, I think I might get a little obsessed with the hangman spoiler game over the next couple of days, that is just SO much fun, great idea, Sandi! :)
ReplyDeletehaha, glad you enjoy them. I'm a big Merlin nerd so i madly miss a lot of the speculation I can't join in too much in case I mess up. For example, I knew at Cold Con that Elyan died in the episode that would be shown that evening, but nearly let the cat out of the bag a few times. I did manage to have a quick chat with Alex about it during the photo session, which was fun, thou it felt a bit naughty as we mimed dead Elyan to each other, and then glanced about to see if anyone saw, lol.
ReplyDeleteI am afraid that Arthur loving Gwen always comes at the expense of others--Arthur gave up hard fought for ancestral lands last year for her and declared that nothing--his entire birthright, his people, his kingdom--meant absolutely nothing to him without her. Here's a newsflash for you, dear DearBee--that is not what a strong and righteous king does, it's what an infatuated, foolish teenager does. The writers have always pushed the Arthur-- Gwen "romance" at the expense of all other storylines and characters, and it's a real shame because the pair of them have less than zero chemistry together, but more than that, it does terrible damage to Arthur--makes him look terribly stupid and selfish. Likewise, in order to demonstrate how perfect this new Mary Sue queen Gwen is, the writers show her as over the top saintly--after 3 years, she's better at running the kingdom than Arthur ever was, even though he's been intensively trained since birth for the role. And yes, Arthur's stupidity, his insecurity, his hypocrisy, his blind self-sacrifice under the banner of nobility, his willingness to elevate others beyond their station while keeping Merlin under his thumb even though Merlin has done far more than anyone else in Camelot--all of those things make him weak and ignorant too.
ReplyDeleteArwens wouldn't know what chemistry was if you tripped over it. The producers, the writers and the actors all say the same thing: Merlin and Arthur are the heart and core of the show. No one here was trying to squash your squee. Why don't you practice what you preach.
ReplyDeleteNo, there really shouldn't be a balance of Merthur and Arthur. This show is called Merlin. It is SUPPOSED to center around Merlin and his destiny with Arthur, how they are two sides of a coin, two halves of a whole. Every since this whole Arwen thing has begun, every single character, especially Merlin and Arthur, have had to be made stupid and suffer for it. The show even had him act as their mouthpiece in 4.11 when they had him say "No one else but Gwen is willing to sacrifice more Camelot", completely discounting Merlin himself, Gaius, and all the knights.This present storyline with Evil Mary Sue Gwen was simply put in there to appease Angel Coulby because even she knows how boring her character is. At the end of 5.9, there will be no repercussions, it won't be her fault, she probably won't even remember, there won't be any realistic things to deal with like guilt or mistrust--it will just be another pointless reset button, backlit windows, soaring violins and bluebirds twittering--comeplete children's fantasy. The show is probably in it's last season, we still don't have a magic reveal, Mordred's story hasn't even gotten off the ground, we don't know Aithusa's fate, and they're wasting time on a storyline that means nothing! It's infuriating. They really should stick with the pairing that have actual chemistry and don't have to grunt and strain for it--and that's not Arthur & Gwen, it's Merlin and Arthur.
ReplyDeleteYes, let us all just ignore the fact that up until this episode, Arthur was so "besotted" by his wife that he ignored her, lied to her, patronized her, told Merlin not to tell her the truth about what they were doing....oh, yes, that's definitely the mark of a besotted husband in a close, loving, equal marriage! It wasn't until 5.6 that they had Arthur sickeningly sweet with her, deferring to her every wish--almost like a son with his mummy, not a husband with his wife-- and that is called dramatic irony--it's compeltely over the top and out of character to make her betrayals seem all the more harsh. The Arthur-Gwen relationship has always been a "tell, not show" thing--Arthur TELLS his father's spirit that he trusts her more than anyone, yet he doesn't tell her his plans about summoning Uther's spirit. Arthur also told Uther that since becoming king he's "so lonely"--(really? After 3 years of marriage and a queen by his side?) It's Merlin he's confiding in, Merlin he takes with him every where he goes, Merlin he asks advice for, Merlin Arthur allows to see both the bad and the good side of him and not constantly on his best behavior as he is with Gwen. I think fans of the so-called romance (which has about as much chemistry and spark as a cinder block) see what they want to see, not what is actually onscreen.
ReplyDeleteI'm a little frightened of you right now.
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of a woman would want a man who thinks his empire is more important than her? After all the that Gwen has sacrificed for Arthur and Camelot I think she deserves that.I don't really understand how Gwen and Arthur's relationship has come at an expense of all other storylines and characters. I think you mean ARTHUR AND MERLIN's story line. they get 90% of the screen time yet their relationship is only starting to develop. as for Arthur and Gwen not having chemistry that's subjective because I started watching Merlin for their romance after I watched Queen of Hearts. Mary sue is actually an extremely sexist term. Arthur has been trained to rule since birth BY UTHER!!!! You want the writers to make Gwen come across as a idiot just because Arthur is still not a good king? you want them to forget all her character development just because Arthur's character development is regressive? Gwen has always been observant, compassionate, wise and practical. It would have been OOC if she didn't have these skills as a queen. I'm upset too with Merlin still being Arthur's servant after everything they have been through together he is still washing Arthur's socks.
ReplyDeleteSandi the first line I'd never have suspected Gwen saying that to Leon. Is Sir Leon forgetting that his king is still alive and kicking? Sir Leon is really is out there to protect his queen ;) - sorry the mind is in the gutter. Should be a very interesting episode. Are you going to give us a hint who says the line in the trailer teaser? I'm betting Morgana.
ReplyDeleteMerlin is the heart and the core of the show...
ReplyDeleteThs show has to focus only on Merlin. We don't care for Gwen and Arthur. It's Merlin's story we should see.
ReplyDeleteWell I'm glad because the level of delusion and denial the Arwen fanbase is capable of is truly terrifying. If Arthur was so besotted with his wife BEFORE the enchantment/brainwashing/whatever it's supposed to be, then why didn't Arthur confide in her about his reasons for helping Mithian's father? Why did he lie to her and confide truthfully in Merlin? Why did he give her that patronizing little peck on the forehead like a Daddy gives his little daughter? Why can't he be himself around her, warts and all, if he trusts her so completely? The show keeps SAYING how close they are but they SHOW us something entirely different. They are courtly, polite, formal together, fond, but there is no passion in their pairing--it's just friends or more often than not, Gwen acting like Arthur's mum!
ReplyDeleteWell first of all, I never said Merlin is Arthur's lover. Interesting assumption, there--so that's what you're so worried about and so outrageously defensive about. I know how committed the Arwen fanbase is to their homophobia, so that's understandable. Secondly--as I just gave many examples of in the post above, the show is constantly telling us how close Arthur and Gwen are, but they don't show it. Arthur and Gwen have no passion and no chemistry together--they behave like business partners, fond, appreciative and respectful, but not emotionally intimate. They are not believable as husband and wife, tho they might be as friends or siblings. The first time we've seen Arthur actually listen to Gwen and do as she suggests was in 5.7, and that was to emphasize how crushing her betrayal will be when Arthur realizes it. When it comes to emotional intimacy, who Arthur trusts with all sides of him, who Arthur confides in, that isn't Gwen. It's Merlin.
ReplyDeleteActually there were plenty of people complaining when the show was centering around Morgana. And because Merlin, the titular character's destiny and purpose for being in Camelot is Arthur, not to mention that every scene they have together crackles and pops, of course no one is going to complain when they are on screen together. The showrunners themselves realize that Arthur and Merlin are the heart, soul and core of the show and without them, they would have been cancelled in the second season. Bradley just recently said he knows that so many people watch the show soley for the Arthur-Merlin scenes. And I think a very very big part of people's impatience with this storyline is because it is most likely the very last year of the show and there are so many loose ends to tie up, not to mention the magic reveal, and so Gwen's little storyline seems so superflous and a waste of time and boring and uninteresting and takes away from what most of us have been waiting for five years for. We're running out of time.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree--The show is told through Merlin's eyes, but it is still his show and his viewpoint. The only way we get to know what Arthur is thinking or feeling is through Merlin. Remember the words of the opening titles: "The fate of a kingdom rests on the shoulders of a young man: Merlin". Not Arthur---Merlin. You're just going to have to accept that.
ReplyDeleteActually, go back and listen again. He was asked the question "Which is more important to Arthur, Merlin or Gwen?" His response was, "Obviously Merlin is more important to the show. But when you have someone you love as Arthur loves Gwen, you will do anything for them and he would do anything for her." (I think he might have said more, but the baby women known as Arwens couldn't stop cooing at that.) Now, that doesn't exactly say what you're trying to insist it does, and I wish you would stop with your childishness, please. Also, Bradley has also recently said that he knows that the majority of the audience watches solely for himself and Merlin and their scenes together. I am glad that he is more insightful and aware than you seem to be.
ReplyDeleteThat is completely false! He said just the opposite! Go back and re-watch it. He said MERLIN and Arthur were more important to the show! Please re-watch it so you don't embarrass yourself further!
ReplyDeleteI am defintely wearing a long suffering face right now, dealing with you people. Please, Please, Please, get your facts straight!!! That is not what he said!
ReplyDeleteYes, and we all know married people NEVER love more than one person...sigh. It's like talking with infants.
ReplyDeleteUmm, I don't think that I said nor implied that marriage limits the capacity to love to one person. You're projecting. It's obvious that the A/G romance, for better or worse, has scarred you in some way.
ReplyDeletetl;dr. You're really broken up about Arthur and Gwen, it clearly bothers you that other people enjoy them--and that's what's terrifying. You're free to be as unhappy as you like about Arthur and Gwen. I think they're cute and that's the end of it.
ReplyDeleteNot Morgana I'm afraid.
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