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Supernatural - Episode 8.05 - Blood Brother - Sneak Peek

26 Oct 2012

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92 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl26 October 2012 at 00:08

    Dean, I love you, but stop throwing it in Sam's face that he took a year off. As I remember, you did too once, so stop that.


    Anyway, this looks great! Can't wait.

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  2. C P26 October 2012 at 00:16

    Yeah, it's getting annoying. It's the same thing every episode. Them arguing over Sam's year.

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  3. nellymendezcolon26 October 2012 at 00:22

    ..SAM..dont be so hypocrite ..DEAN argument is right ,you take a leave smiling flowers and chasing pollen and dean was surviving for one year..shhhh.children dont argue

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  4. klutzy_girl26 October 2012 at 00:23

    Actually, Dean's being a hypocrite too about Sam's year off when he did the same thing after Sam died. It's not just Sam.

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  5. Megan_B26 October 2012 at 00:25

    ^^; I'm with you. I see it more as Dean being hurt for Sam not looking than just being angry as Sam for taking a year off, but even for that reason, he should still stop throwing it. Dean => Let it go

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  6. geordiegirl196726 October 2012 at 00:25

    VERY different thing. Dean was gone. Sam wasn't taking time away from him or leaving Dean in the middle of a case. This is expressly Dean saying to Sam 'I have secrets that I am not telling you' and they both know that NEVER ends well. Sam is, of course, surprised and worried that Dean can have anything personal to take care of when he's been in Purgatory for a year and almost all their friends are dead.

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  7. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 00:27

    Holy hell. Dean is becoming insufferable. What the hell is going on with this show lately?

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  8. SuePo26 October 2012 at 00:27

    Ha! This time it's Sam having separation anxiety. :) "My own grown-up, personal... I don't know...crap." Eloquent Dean. And Toblerone? Dean has chocolate cravings. :) Who knew?

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  9. SuePo26 October 2012 at 00:29

    I see it as Dean pushing the one button he knows that will stop Sam from asking questions. Siblings do that all the time. When you know each other so well, it's easy to find those buttons. :)

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  10. nellymendezcolon26 October 2012 at 00:32

    .darling I am sorry but I don’t agree with you ,and remember dean leave because SAM...ask ,him to make a promise..in the SWAN-SONG..episode.and in the first episode of the next season what dean tell him..SCREW YOU,.SUE ME .I was looking for you

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  11. Judy Smith26 October 2012 at 00:33

    As Dean taking that year off, he did it at Sam's request and he still looked for Sam throughout that whole time, not knowing that was actually top side. Plus Dean believed Sam to be in the box with Lucifer.

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  12. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 00:33

    Really? Another let's throw Sam's year off in his face? Does Dean really have to be a jerk about it all the time now? First, he keeps guilt tripping Sam very possible second and now, he's got to throw it in his face. I know that some fans are going to love Dean telling Sam off, but I'm just finding Dean to be a bully.

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  13. nellymendezcolon26 October 2012 at 00:39

    ..BUT..sam don’t respond or take some kind of action when kevin call for me was betray his principles of protect people.specially knowing for his action that person is getting problems without asking

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  14. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 00:40

    For a guy who seems quite intent on keeping Sam around to hunt with, Dean is giving him very little reason to stay.

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  15. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 00:42

    I just love Dean this season. And hey, at least Dean didn't sneak out in the middle of the night like Sam has done to Dean on many occasions.

    Oh and Dean never took a year off from trying to save Sam.

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  16. Kelsey Smith26 October 2012 at 00:48

    Wow, Sam is becoming such a jerk. At least Dean isn't just taking off on Sam, like Sam has in the past, he's telling Sam face to face that he needs to leave for 1 day.

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  17. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 00:57

    Dean still did research and spent the entire time looking for a way to help Sam. It's not the same at all.

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  18. Cas Ryan26 October 2012 at 00:58

    sams really starting to get on my tit to me he seems like a whiny little spoilt brat

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  19. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:00

    We don't know the full story about Sam's year off like we did with Dean. And why is it so great the Dean is trying to guilt trip Sam into staying, keeping secrets from him, and constantly trying to throwing into Sam's face that he didn't do what Dean believes he should have done, but doesn't show any interest in anything Sam has to say? Dean is serious messed up from Purgatory. Yeah, Sam has taken in off in the past, but does that really justify any of Dean's current behaviors? Dean jumps down Sam's throat for considering quitting hunting, but then randomly wants Sam to not ask any questions, then he wants Sam to jump and run to come help him? So, Sam's past behavior completely excuses Dean now?

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  20. jensenfan197826 October 2012 at 01:01

    No, he really didn't. Later in season 6, Sam jumped all over him when he found out that Dean was looking for him the entire time. Yeah, he didn't out and out hunt, but he hunted for ways to help his brother, he kept his home guarded properly and he carried a gun and checked things out when something was out of place. Sam did none of that. It's not so much that Sam quit, it's that Sam didn't look for him. Dean is nitpicking around the issue because I think if it came to an argument, he'd beat the c**p out of Sam and he doesn't want to

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  21. Lisa26 October 2012 at 01:03

    I think many fans are just taking what's being said here at face value. Jensen's a better actor than Dean is at selling that he's hurt/mad at Sam for taking a year off. Dean is angry because Sam was happy - NOT because Sam was happy but because Sam could be happy which means SAM REALLY COULD LEAVE and have a life. Dean is lashing out because he's terrified he really could lose Sam. He also knows that Sam is going to kill him when he finds out about Benny. If Dean can convince Sam that what Sam did was wrong, then maybe he can convince Sam that what Dean did isn't so bad... I also don't hate Sam for not looking for Dean. And for precisely the reasons that Jared has touched on in interviews. Sam had no leads and for all he knew Dean was dead. It was the one time he could break away from hunting. Leaving Kevin hanging wasn't exactly Sam's most shining moment, but I'm not going to hate on him for it...

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  22. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:08

    We don't know anything about Sam's year except Sam hit a dog. But I don't think that's problem with Dean's argument. Dean isn't throwing the fact that Sam didn't look for Dean in his face, but he is throwing Sam taking a year off in his face. Two very different things.


    Dean did in fact look for Sam while he was NOT hunting. Sam didn't hunt, but we have no idea if he really didn't look for Dean or if he just went around the country hitting dogs until one vet called him on it. That's not what Dean's mad about. He is mad about how Sam spent the time. He's mad that Sam didn't do what he thought Sam should do. He's mad about Sam taking time off from hunting which is in fact hypocritical since Dean did stop hunting.

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  23. MarissaAO26 October 2012 at 01:09

    Squee! This looks like it's going to be a great episode. Looking forward to it so much!

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  24. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 01:10

    Exactly how is Dean being a bully because he wants one day off? Sam didn't do anything for a whole year to help Kevin but now suddenly Sam is trying to lay a guilt trip on Dean for not focussing on Kevin for ONE day -- when Sam took a whole year off from trying to find Kevin??

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  25. Johnny Cage26 October 2012 at 01:11

    Kelsey Smith you're only saying Sam is the jerk is because the guy before you said that about Dean,and you want your precious Dean to look with the clean white west,well guess what IN THIS LITTLE SNEAK PEAK DEAN WAS THE JERK,also a fun fact Dean is acting like a jerk like he is on his period since this season has started being mad at sam on just about anything.Dean has no right to be mad,Sam isnt his husband,he is his brother he can do as he please and in this case take a year off without him acting all butthurt,when Dean decided to give up and surrender michael,Sam wasnt mad at him HE DEALT WITH IT LIKE AN ADULT,Dean should do the same!!!

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  26. adder57426 October 2012 at 01:12

    If he really wants to leave there is nothing stopping him. He's free to leave at any time. As for the whole guilt trip thing, Sam's already announced that people becoming monster chow wasn't his problem. He left a 17 year old kid at the mercy of the king of hell. Why would it suddenly bother him now? Sam's 30 years old, not 12. If Sam's feeling guilty for that, maybe he should take responsibility for his feelings rather than blaming Dean for making him feel guilty.

    When's the last time on this show that Dean has been able to make Sam do anything he didn't want to do?

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  27. MarissaAO26 October 2012 at 01:13

    Reading the comments, and just... why does everyone always have to take sides in these things? Why can't everyone just enjoy the tension and the sniping? Neither Sam nor Dean are right or wrong, they both just have different perspectives.

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  28. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:14

    Why is Sam being a jerk? Sam doesn't understand why Dean wants to just take off when he has been pushing so much about hunting. Dean wants Sam to not to ask any question, but jump and run the second he wants something done. Just because Sam's past has the wrong behavior, it doesn't excuse Dean's current behavior. He's really screwed up from Purgatory and he wants to be in control of something because I'm guess that in Purgatory, he didn't have much control, therefore, back on earth, he is clamping down on Sam and want to be completely in control of Sam.

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  29. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 01:15

    No Dean is mad that Sam took a year off from helping Kevin. Sam knew Crowley had Kevin and Sam did nothing, didn't tell anyone else about Kevin, and ignored all of Kevin's pleas for help because he turned off his phones. That's what Dean is mad about.

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  30. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 01:17

    " If Sam's feeling guilty for that, maybe he should take responsibility
    for his feelings rather than blaming Dean for making him feel guilty."

    Those two aren't mutually exclusive. That being said, I'd be fine if Sam did leave. He doesn't owe anyone a damn thing.

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  31. Kelsey Smith26 October 2012 at 01:24

    Dean is on his period? How sexist and condescending! So, when women say something you don't like it's because they're on their period. You need to grow up and be an adult with adult arguments.

    I'm entitled to have an opinion and my opinion is that Sam is being a jerk to Dean. My opinion counts no less than yours.

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  32. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:30

    I'm saying that Dean is being a bully, because of how is going about a lot of things. Sam isn't laying on a guilt trip for Dean, he's confused as to why Dean just want to up and leave after being so gung-ho about hunting. We have no idea what Sam did with his year, except hit a dog, learn a new way to handle demons, and dated a girl named Amelia. There are a lot of things that we don't know about Sam and Dean's year (part of the reason why I hate time jumps). Dean is being a bully because he wants Sam to do what he wants, when he wants, and he wants Sam not to question it. He wants to be in complete control of Sam. Which is very understandable given the fact when Dean feels in the least control he starts clamping down on the one he loves-especially Sam. This isn't about Sam or what Sam did or didn't do with his year off. Dean isn't showing any anger what Sam not looking for him as much as how Sam spent the year.


    Dean wanting a day off isn't the reason why I find Dean to being bullish. I'm not saying Dean is a bully under normal circumstances, I'm saying his actions and his demanding behavior to be making him into a bully. I find his behavior understandable under the circumstances. He doesn't need to throw Sam's year off in his face to ask for a day off. He doesn't need to keep pushing Sam to hunt and then think he can give Sam a half-sort of explanation that he needs a personal day and for Sam to understand.

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  33. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 01:32

    Dean has absolutely nothing he needs to be excused for. He's being honest about his feelings. He feels Sam should have tried to help Kevin instead of completely ignoring him. He wants Sam to be with him and continue hunting. He feels Sam will want to hunt again. Sure Dean is probably in denial, but he is being upfront with Sam about his feelings that he's happiest when Sam is at his side.

    Dean should tell Sam about Benny, but then again, Sam kept Ruby a secret from Dean as well. They both make the mistake of keeping secrets.

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  34. Johnny Cage26 October 2012 at 01:35

    Nice try pulling "the sexist-card" but that doesnt work on me,no matter how you try to bend it Dean has been a complete JERK this season,and you need to get your head checked if its your opinion that Sam was acting like a jerk in any way towards him in this clip,but no wonder you support Dean because inside you are just as damaged as him,and have the same i know everything better attitude.Your opinion does count,but to say that Sam is the Jerk is a lie because in FACT its the opposite and deep down you know it.Deal with it!!! I'm mean for Christ sake this is the guy that punched his brother LIKE MORE THAN 20 times in his face all bloody,and you and other people are actually gonna try and defend him and his selfish behaviour,Really???I dont think so the turh will stay the same no matter how you try to bend it.

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  35. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 01:39

    What is Dean demanding from Sam here? He explained to Sam why there is nothing they can do at the moment so he's going to take a day off to deal with his own personal issues. How is Dean demanding Sam do anything?

    Again Dean is angry about Sam's year off being at the expense of Kevin.

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  36. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:40

    @sdwhiskey:disqus Okay, I don't understand. Dean said they didn't have any leads about Kevin and then he said Sam took an entire year off while he just needs one personal day. But that doesn't change that Dean did take a year off after the Apocalypse when everything was a mess. But even if Dean is mad about Sam not looking for Kevin, he has also made it clear that he disapproves of Sam not hunting, but the problem with Dean's argument is that he has quit hunting before and now, he can't get pass Sam's year off. He's using Sam's disappointing behavior to excuse why he should get to do whatever he wants.

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  37. ZoeF26 October 2012 at 01:41

    Wow Carver has sparked a new brother war apparently. Ugly stuff, like in S4.
    Seriously, people. Both Sam and Dean are reacting the way their personal pain and experiences cause them to. Why are one fan side attacking the other? Both Sam & Dean are feeling pain and confusion, and it has jack to do with "bullying" or "not caring" for the other.
    Why don't you try to have a little compassion for the othe character instead of getting on your Holy Way Horse and bashing teh other character. Really?

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  38. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 01:52

    I'm speaking about Dean's adamant attitude that Sam is going to be hunting with him in 8x03. He is demanding for Sam to simply not question him when he says "I'm leaving, see ya" after Dean has been drilling that they need to hunt, they need to find Kevin, and Sam has to go along for the ride in previous episodes. He wants Sam to just understand and go with it and that would be fine if Dean hadn't been acting a completely different in episode 8x03, 8x02, and 8x01. He's been Kevin, hunting, Kevin, hunting, Kevin all season and now, he wants to just completely go in the opposite direction. Sam's head is spinning. We are just going to have to agree to disagree about what Dean is angry about, because I believe Dean is angry about how Sam spent his year off and that extents to not looking for Kevin.

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  39. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 02:06

    I understand that Dean is being honest about his feelings to a certain degree, but he isn't being honest about a lot of other things which complicates things. But Dean needs to learn to be honest about how he feels without running over Sam's feels and desires. I love that Dean is being honest about being happiest with Sam and hunting, but he can't force Sam to make a decision, especially, when Sam isn't as open. He needs to hear Sam out too. I don't think Dean needs to be excused for anything, but why is does he need to bring up Sam's year off to take a personal day. I don't think Dean can keep going around wanting to be in control of everything Sam does.


    I don't like it when the brothers fight or when they keep secrets from each other, but I don't think just because one of the brothers made a mistake or behaved badly justifies current behavior. So, saying that Dean isn't sneaking out makes his behavior okay now, sounds like an excuse to me. If that wasn't what you meant, I'm sorry. But I don't think it's okay for Dean to keep using Sam's behavior as a reason as to why he should something.

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  40. adder57426 October 2012 at 02:06

    Sam didn't feel guilt about not hunting, or looking for Kevin for an entire year, so why exactly is it Dean's fault for making him feel it now?

    I wish Dean would just drop Sam off at the nearest bus station, because he doesn't owe anyone a damn thing either.

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  41. Donna C26 October 2012 at 02:10

    Maybe Sam SHOULD just leave. I probably would have by this point.

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  42. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 02:10

    Why would Dean need an excuse to take 1 day off? He is not using Sam's year off as an excuse, he's pointing out the hypocrisy of Sam complaining about Dean taking a day off from their search for Kevin when Sam took a year off from searching for Kevin. Dean isn't quitting on Kevin.

    Dean was disappointed that Sam gave up hunting at a crucial time when Kevin needed help. There was no such imminent situation when Dean went to Lisa. And Dean did do some hunting during that year and he did keep searching for ways to save Sam.

    Yes, Dean is disappointed that Sam wants to quit hunting. And yeah, he wants Sam to be his partner and he's not apologizing for wanting Sam to hunt with him. As Jensen said, Dean is trying to avoid it and sweep it under the rug, the fact that Sam doesn't want to hunt with him anymore. He wants to believe that Sam will change his mind because he wants to be with Sam.

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  43. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 02:15

    "Sam didn't feel guilt about not hunting, or looking for Kevin for an entire year, so why exactly is it Dean's fault for making him feel it now?"

    He's purposely badgering him and trying to make him feel guilty. It's emotional blackmail.

    "I wish Dean would just drop Sam off at the nearest bus station, because he doesn't owe anyone a damn thing either."

    Agreed 100% Moving on and finding a good life for himself is the best example of sanity either brother has ever displayed. The sooner he reclaims that life the better.

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  44. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 02:21

    Sorry but I don't see Dean "demanding" Sam do anything. Dean is voicing his opinion and his feelings. But Sam is an adult. He can do what he wants, regardless of Dean's opinion, and Dean knows this from experience (I.e Ruby).

    I prefer Dean's method of being upfront about leaving, rather than Sam's tendency to sneak off in the middle of the night.

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  45. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 02:27

    @sdwhiskey:disqus , we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I don't see Dean as pointing out Sam's being a hypocrite because he wants his day off. I see it as Dean as trying to throw Sam's year off as a way to avoid answering anymore questions about Benny. He wants Sam to shut up, so he going to use whatever works the best which is currently Sam's year off. If Dean really didn't need to say anything, then why bring up Sam's year off. Why not just say Sam, you keep researching and I'll be back soon? Why bring up something that will clearly end the conversation? That's using it to excuse his behavior.



    Castiel said that Heaven would be a mess without Michael and Dean knew that there was still monsters and demons out there. I don't fault Dean for taking a year off, but I don't understand why he wants to keep showing how much he disappoints of what Sam did when he isn't saying anything about Kevin or not looking for him. He's more upset by the fact that Sam wants to quit hunting than anything else. Because if it was just about Kevin, he wouldn't have to say anything more than you can looking for Kevin for a day on your own.


    But in short, you see Sam as being a hypocrite for asking why Dean is taking a day off, I see it differently. I see Dean as using whatever he can to stay in control, keep Sam hunting without answering any questions. I don't really see either one of them as being hypocrites (anymore than any other human) as much as I see Dean has problems with his argument of getting angry over Sam's year off. And I think Dean is going about the wrong way to get what he wants.

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  46. Wolfnight26 October 2012 at 02:29

    I still think Sam might kinda 'accept' Benny, for getting Dean out at least, and there won't be a big drift like in season 4.
    Though I admit it is more likely there will be a rift, Dean and Benny will be on one side, Sam and Cas on the other. It was said that Cas doesn't really trust Benny, and that Sam and Cas will have more of a friendship in this season.

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  47. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 02:29

    "So, saying that Dean isn't sneaking out makes his behavior okay now, sounds like an excuse to me. If that wasn't what you meant, I'm sorry."

    It isn't what I meant because there is nothing wrong with Dean's behavior here. IMO.

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  48. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 02:36

    @sdwhiskey:disqus Okay, I understand. I don't think there is anything wrong with Dean leaving, just how he expresses his leaving. Different eyes. :)

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  49. sdwhiskey26 October 2012 at 02:54

    No, I think Sam is irritated at Dean for taking a day off because Sam wants to find Kevin so that he can get back to his "normal" life as soon as possible. And Dean's day off is interfering with that goal.

    Dean is definitely in denial about Sam and about Benny for that matter. He's trying to negotiate this post purgatory landscape he now finds himself in and sure he will make mistakes along the way, but I don't think that he's a jerk or a bully as you do.

    So yeah, agree to disagree.

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  50. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 03:06

    @sdwhiskey:disqus , That's okay. I think there is more to both Sam and Dean's story, because it's too much out of character for me to believe that Sam wouldn't look for Dean. I don't think Sam knows what he wants, but I'm not sure I've seen enough about Sam's story to really said that or say that he's irritated by Dean because he wants to get back to normal as quickly as possible. I thought Sam appeared to be more confused and upset over Dean's just getting up and leaving than annoyed that they aren't finding Kevin quick enough.



    I think Dean is going through a lot right now. I think that some of his actions are bullying and I don't normally think Dean is a bully or a jerk (and I'm not saying that Dean is a bully, just he is actions are at the moment due to trauma). He is going to need time to get through Purgatory. And he is making a mistake by not telling Sam about Benny or what really happened in Purgatory. I don't think that completely clears him in some of things he is saying and expecting for Sam to do. But that's just me and we don't see it the same way.

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  51. skeptical_inquirer26 October 2012 at 03:16

    If you were kidnapped and you came back to find that your SO had moved on a month and had a pissy expression when you came back while you were in a pit for a year, I seriously doubt you'd let it go.

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  52. rehabber26 October 2012 at 03:21

    LOL, OK this is going to be one of my quotes from this ep..Dean "Did you have a stroke"

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  53. C P26 October 2012 at 03:30

    I agree about the taking sides thing, but there is nothing fun about tension like this. Gives me a headache.

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  54. Megan_B26 October 2012 at 03:30

    I wouldn't bring it on every 5 secs, it won't change the past, what is done is done. The message is clear, he's piss, we get it, Sam get it, everyone does, no need to say it 30 times.

    Anyway I think the characters will let it go a lot faster than the fans will^^; I still see brothers war about S4 between the fans. Everyone did something wrong here and there, no ones is perfect

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  55. skeptical_inquirer26 October 2012 at 03:31

    I just find it gross and disgusting that Dean isn't allowed to be mad at Sam for anything at all. He can't be angry about being strangled. He can't be angry about being left in purgatory for a year. He can't be angry that Sam is badgering him about taking a day off when Sam has pretty much come and gone whenever he liked.



    If you find Dean such a bully then you should really pray that Sam and Dean split up pronto then. I'm tired of people insisting that they stay together but only if Dean never ever expresses anything that could possibly depress or anger Sam even if he has good reason to.

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  56. rehabber26 October 2012 at 03:32

    I will take them arguing over another ep like last week.

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  57. skeptical_inquirer26 October 2012 at 03:44

    Honestly though I just don't think being pissed off is such a crime. Especially since Sam did pretty much the same thing in season four.



    If I got kidnapped and my brother didn't do squat, you better believe I'd kick him in the nuts and freeze him out for months if not years.


    Everyone? Did Dean "make" Sam ditch him?

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  58. skeptical_inquirer26 October 2012 at 03:48

    There's no law or commandment that Dean should be all smiles and sunshine around the fragile flower otherwise known as Sam Winchester in order not to burden him.



    If Sam can't take the consequences of his actions then he just needs to go home and put his head on Amelia's lap and just quit like he always threatens to. And Dean deserves a partner who has way more enthusiasm for just being with him than Sam has.



    They'd be happier apart and it shouldn't be all on Dean, who has way more PTSD problems than Sam, to always make the effort.

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  59. Megan_B26 October 2012 at 03:51

    I'm not only talking about the ''not-searching'' you clearly didn't get my point, anyway we both know we'll never agree and I'm tired of brothers war of the fandom that has been going on for years. Let's just leave it there, I'm not in the mood tonight for a war, too many things to do for tomorrow

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  60. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 03:53

    Rehabber speaks the truth.

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  61. Megan_B26 October 2012 at 03:56

    Me too. You see me in others messages, I never have problems with debating and standing to my points...but all those brothers fights, choosing a side, choosing who's the ''saint'' and who's the ''bad guy'' is always making me in a bad mood. It's not fun to ''debate'' with people on that, its not even debating, its more like a bashing contest of characters, not fun

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  62. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 04:17

    Dean has made it clear that he wants Sam in his life. No, there is no requirement that Dean has to be happy around Sam, but Sam doesn't have to be perfect around Dean either. Sam can handle himself and he isn't a "fragile flower" as you put it. Sam has handled his past actions and he has come back from them, but condemning Sam when we don't know what happened or why. There might be more to the story or there might not be. We don't know. Sam is showing that he is dealing with the consequences of his actions. He is looking for Kevin. He is helping Dean with hunting. He doesn't need to be completely enthusiastic. We don't know if they would be happier apart. We don't know who has more PTSD, but that doesn't matter since both of them have been through a lot. It doesn't matter who has it worst than who. That's a fandom fight. Dean has made it clear that he wants Sam in his life and he is happy with Sam and that he thinks Sam is confused right now. So, I don't understand why it would be on Dean if they would be happier apart when Dean has voiced his place on that question.

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  63. KatAdams0326 October 2012 at 04:28

    Dean is allowed to be mad at Sam, but that doesn't mean that Dean can do anything with that anger. Dean was allowed to be angry in the fifth season, but that isn't the point right now. He was allowed to be angry in 8x01. There is a difference between what happens in the show and the fandom. Dean is anger this season, but Sam allowed to be confused by Dean suddenly taking off when Dean doesn't do that and he has been pushing hunting and looking Kevin. Sam has made mistakes in the past, but I don't see Sam telling Dean he can't go or chasing after him. Sam is confused and upset by Dean leaving, but he isn't stopping him.


    I said I found Dean to be bully, but that's a personal opinion and I have also stated that given Dean's mindset it's understandable. I don't typically think of Dean as a bully and I don't think Sam and Dean should split up, but that is my opinion. I don't think anyone thinks Sam and Dean should mindlessly follow each other and I do think there are people on both sides who want one brother to blindly follow the other. It isn't realistic for the characters to always say the right thing, so I think anyone who has the expectation that one brother is never going to say something will upset, depress, or anger the other is only fooling themselves. Dean and Sam need to work on their communication and get to a better place. But I don't think either one of them needs to be bluntly saying you did this, so I can do this. The fandom does that enough for everyone on the planet.

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  64. isleofskye26 October 2012 at 05:16

    Wow, this is really new and creative. Sam and Dean arguing and accusing one another!
    What an inspiring new take on the Winchesters!!!

    Why have no previous writers thought to make them argue with one another before now?
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    Then Dean having a secret monster friend , who may or may not turn out to be a bad guy. What a great intuition!
    Puleese!!

    X
    When i heard Carver was taking over I thought the emphasis wpould be once again on the brothers as a team, being good with one another, fighting evil and saving lives, not re-hashed brother hating with an identical re-hashed Ruby plot, with Dean this time running off to his monster friend instead of Sam.
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    All we need now is a "I Know What You Did Last Summmer" episode with Benny in the part of Ruby and Dean telling Sam all about the spicy details!

    I mean, really! This is all these writers can come up with?

    I've said it before;and I'll say it again, the whole season is based on a a fact so unnatural and impossible, that of Sam not searching for his brother.

    That is just wrong and consequently everything that comes after is distorted too.


    Dean accuses Sam of not hunting, not answering his phones, not searching for him during that year, but the real Sam would never have done any of that.

    Sam is a man with a conscience as we have seen over and over, and then he loves his brother and would have searched for hiim no matter what.

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  65. CyanaT26 October 2012 at 05:26

    Lol! Dean liked his chocolate in "Hammer of the gods". too.

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  66. CyanaT26 October 2012 at 05:46

    But there's little evidence that Dean even thought about saving PiPs during his year off; he protected his family - L&B - with Devil's Traps, salting the windows, and keeping a shotgun under his bed. At the beginning of 6.02 TAAHM. Dean told Sam that he was out (of the "life". That's why fans like me take issue with Dean's berating Sam for taking a "year off" and letting PiPs be harmed when Dean did the same thing. This has nothing to do with Sam not looking for Dean or trying to rescue Kevin, only that Sam ignored PiPs during the year.
    Maybe it's just the writers "ignoring" Dean's year off, but it's maddening. No one is saying Dean didn't look for ways to save Sam during his year off.

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  67. Lissie_Bee26 October 2012 at 06:17

    Right? I didn't even want to scroll down because I knew that's what I would find. I'm okay with the tension if it doesn't last for eons, but contrary to popular belief, it's not a requirement of the fans to take sides in these things.

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  68. Lissie_Bee26 October 2012 at 06:17

    Right along with "Mind if I take the Toblerone?" I love that he has chocolate cravings haha

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  69. sharonally26 October 2012 at 07:28

    If Dean hadnt taken time off himself if Dean hadnt had crisis of hunting with moments walking around with his face on the floor .Then Dean can be mad .Dean cant be mad because Sam doesnt want to hunt ,

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  70. isleofskye26 October 2012 at 08:41

    I was just thinking about what Carver had said about re-booting Supernatural.

    At the time I had sort of taken him literally, thinking that he would really have gone back and sort of changed the time-line or something.


    For example, episode 8.01 coould have opened with the last scene of season three where Dean was about to get dragged off to Hell and Liliith was threatening Sam. With a tweaking of the scenes, Lilith could have tried to kill Sam first and Sam seeing that he was immune, scares Lilth off, and she disappears taking the helllounds with her so that Dean didn't go to Hell at all, thus changing the whole time-line.
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    Just think what great scenarios that would have opened.
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    They could have went with the Apocalypse scenario again if they had wanted, only this time Dean didn't break the first seal, so both the angels and Lilith would have had to think up something else to set it in motion, and there would have been room again for Castiel, as the angel messanger.

    There's really nothing bigger than the Apocalypse, so they could just have gone with it again , only in a completely different way.
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    Or as Dean didn't end up in Hell, the writers could have come up with a completely new story-arc, one that didn't include the Apocalypse at all; and bonus points, we would still have the Amulet aroud Dean's neck. :)

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  71. fazziemodo26 October 2012 at 08:48

    Hmm okay sad I know but drinking count so far this season - Sam has had more than Dean. Even though it is a couple at least Carver has worked out it isn't fun to watch purely to work out in which episode is Dean's liver finally going to give up the ghost and start haunting people.


    Or do you think that he past on the Johnny Walker product placement this year?

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  72. sharonally26 October 2012 at 08:50

    No he went to Lisa as a promise to Sam to believe he stayed with her and Ben for a year because of that promise is not true.He stayed out of his choice because he loved them not because of Sam. He took a year off and he didnt hunt .

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  73. sharonally26 October 2012 at 08:52

    We dont know Dean spent the entire time. He certainly more than likely tried at the begining and maybe for a few mths but not the entire year there is no evidence of that .

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  74. adder57426 October 2012 at 10:41

    When was the last time Dean ever made Sam do something he didn't want to do? Again, Sam didn't feel guilty for an entire year about Kevin or hunting. Why is it suddenly bothering him now? This is something I haven't seen many people address. That's why I don't buy the emotional blackmail excuse. If Sam's feeling guilty its on him, because if Dean's such a bossy bully, the doors not locked. Sam has never had a problem walking away from Dean in the past, when he disagreed with what Dean was saying.

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  75. sharonally26 October 2012 at 10:54

    Maybe its bothering him because Dean made it a issue with the playing of the phone messages, maybe its bothering him because Dean has been all about hunting and the guilt trip Dean laid on him at the market about hunting and his not hunting and how people will die something he wasnt considering in his year off. Dean wants a personal day fine just cut out the throwing up of Sam,s year at him .

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  76. fazziemodo26 October 2012 at 11:47

    Fine Dean can be a bully and a bit of a dick but Sam can also be a blinkered self serving idiot too. He's taken a year off and ignored someone who asked for help. Now he is all gung ho about finding the kid and only doing anything that is to do with Kevin unless Dean is pushing (didn't want to have take a case in the third one, quick to ask if there is really a case in the last episode).


    Now Dean is keeping secrets which is bad, but lets not pretend that Sam is solely looking for Kevin out of the goodness of his bleeding heart and to dress Kevin's booboo's. He's doing it in part so Kevin can be the Winchester holy grail and close the gates of hell. So Sam can then go back to the land of meadows and dogs and shampoo ads and dumping his brother and he has said all of that to Dean's face without giving details about what he was up to. With all of that I get why Dean pushing Sam's buttons to manipulate him, especially after he hasn't exactly been spending time styling his hair that past year.



    Why do Dean down just to make Sam feel better when Sam isn't a sweet innocent anymore communicating everything that went down to him - we have no proof that anyone is manipulating him this time. If there is I'll apologise but Sam a lot of the time is responsible for his own actions and he is paying the piper at the mo - like Ruby told him once she gave him a feather and it was him that flew.

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  77. fazziemodo26 October 2012 at 11:55

    Fine Dean can be a bully and a bit of a dick but Sam can
    also be a blinkered self serving idiot too. He's taken a year off and ignored someone who asked for help. Now he is all gung ho about finding the kid and only doing anything that is to do with Kevin unless Dean is pushing (didn't want to have take a case in the third one, quick to ask if there is really a case in the last episode).

    Now Dean is keeping secrets which is bad, but lets not
    pretend that Sam is solely looking for Kevin out of the goodness of his
    bleeding heart and to dress Kevin's booboo's. He's doing it in part so Kevin can be the Winchester holy grail and close the gates of hell. So Sam can then go back to the land of meadows and dogs and shampoo ads and dumping his brother and he has said all of that to Dean's face without giving details about what he was up to. With all of that I get why Dean pushing Sam's buttons to manipulate him, especially after he hasn't exactly been spending time styling his hair that past year. What do you want him to hit Sam in the face again and then bury his anger while actually not resolving anything???

    Why do Dean down just to make Sam look better when Sam isn't
    a sweet innocent anymore communicating everything that went down to him - we have no proof that anyone is manipulating him this time. If there is I'll apologise but Sam a lot of the time is responsible for his own actions and in some ways he is paying the piper at the mo with Dean's attitude - like Ruby told him once she gave him a feather and it was him that flew.

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  78. rehabber26 October 2012 at 12:06

    Good point, maybe the people that think it should always be happy, rainbow moments between the brothers are only children and have never had bad times with a brother or sister. lol

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  79. fazziemodo26 October 2012 at 12:35

    Agree with a lot of what you are saying apart from one thing I can see them splitting up as they can't follow each other around mindlessly, which means Sam needs to find his own reasons for reconnecting and not just Dean or the Winchester holy grail.



    The way things are going now and the way the boys are communicating I can't see that happening unless Dean seriously lets go even if he does feel at his best when Sam is beside him. The thing is I don't see Dean exactly giving his blessing to Sam toddling off at the same time tho, which might be the disconnect they both need to get it through each others thick skulls that they are at an impasse because I think both are in denial about the state of their relationship.


    It is just annoying that in this fandom a lot of people can't allow one character to have pissy dialogue at another without claiming their 'side' is being done an injustice when both are at fault.

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  80. chris68426 October 2012 at 13:42

    I'm so glad I watched the earlier seasons without fan reaction. I don't think I would mace made it through season 4. The funny is that this conflict isn't that bad. It's rooted out of corncern, or not wanting to lose the other, rather than betrayal or any of that other ugly stuff.

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  81. Indy26 October 2012 at 18:20

    Well, the show's about brothers, and what do brothers do? They argue. What's this show also about? Monsters. Friends or enemies, who cares, as long as there are monsters.


    Sam not looking for Dean doesn't bother me at all. I don't think we've seen enough of Sam's year to judge his actions. Besides, wouldn't it be rehashing old plot lines if Sam had been trying to sell his soul to every demon and god while Dean was gone? Hmm.

    You can always stop watching if that is bothering you so much.

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  82. Indy26 October 2012 at 18:23

    The voice of reason. Thank you.

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  83. tvmonkey26 October 2012 at 18:30

    being upfront about about leaving would require him to actually tell Sam he's going off to help the vampire buddy he made in Purgatory and brought out with him.


    No he isnt sneaking out in the middle of the night but he isnt being forthcoming either.

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  84. lsbloom26 October 2012 at 18:33

    Why? Why are they doing this? :(

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  85. lsbloom26 October 2012 at 18:37

    Not really seeing effort. I'm seeing guilt trips, angry recriminations, and hypocrisy, but not "effort." Sam doesn't want to hunt, he is there because of Dean. So yes, it is actually on Dean, because the choices are all being made by Dean for Dean.

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  86. tvmonkey26 October 2012 at 18:37

    the only person who will be getting their licks in this season will be Dean it seems

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  87. lsbloom26 October 2012 at 18:41

    I agree with your first statement. IMO the reason that people are bashing is because the show is bashing--you can't have an onscreen choose sides fight between main characters and not have the fans pick sides. The show wants this type of emotional response from the audience. I don't like shows to make me mad, so I don't think it is a good plan. But that's just me.

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  88. tvmonkey26 October 2012 at 18:52

    I now more than ever am convinced Jeremy Carver has set Sam up to take all the fall this season so he can build on Dean's storyline and relationships with others.

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  89. Bruce_F26 October 2012 at 23:40

    Sam isn't sticking around out of guilt or because Dean is making him. He's putting up with all of it because they have the opportunity to close the gates of Hell forever. Outside of stopping the apocalypse, it's the most important mission they've ever attempted and if they succeed Sam won't have to ever look over his shoulder once he stops hunting. He can live the life he wants to in peace. That's why he hasn't left yet.

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  90. fazziemodo27 October 2012 at 08:57

    Unless Dean is forcibly keeping Sam chaining to him how exactly everything on Dean? If anything that makes Sam decision not to hunt slightly sinister - he's only 'free' to be himself when he thinks Dean is dead? Dean alive curtails everything Sam does?


    Sam is an adult and capable of making his own decisions. And I saw no-one saying that Sam turning up spoiled any shot of Lisa and Dean making it back in season 6 so is that Dean's fault as well?


    There is no rule that Dean has to put on a happy face about Sam's choices like there is no rule that says that Sam has to know exactly what Dean is doing every second of the day and who he is doing it with.


    It would be nice if both would communicate openly with each other but both are adults and both have shown they are both capable of opening their mouths when they feel like it.

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  91. lsbloom27 October 2012 at 16:00

    I am seeing the same attacking Sam arguements in your post as in the show. Those are the guilt trips and recriminations. No, in Dean's world view, Sam isn't allowed to make his own decisions or go off and do his own thing. The only time Sam has ever been allowed to leave and make his own was was when he was in the dog house and then it always came back to him doing something wrong because he didn't listen to Dean or didn't do what Dean wanted him to do or chose someone else over his brother.


    There are no rules, but Sam is only hunting out of love and a sense of duty to his brother and a family legacy--that's Dean's choice, and that makes the situation all on Dean. Sam has come more than halfway. Dean's turn to appreciate that Sam is sacrificing for him and his my way or the highway mentality.

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  92. fazziemodo27 October 2012 at 16:30

    Dean's turn to appreciate that Sam is sacrificing for him?? Sorry but that would be essentially be every five minutes Dean thanking Sam for brightening up his world. Which consideirng how much Dean has sacrificed over the years is a bit much.


    Neither one is five years old - both know where the door is and Sam staying out of duty to Dean is on him not Dean. Dean may want him to stay he may be bringing up Sam's break but Sam can physically walk at any time so why is Sam staying right now guilt trip or not down to Dean. (tho this time it was brought up it was to shut Sam down)



    Plus neither one is exactly being open here, because has Sam really been anymore open about his time not hunting as Dean has with purgatory? It is just that we have a physical entity with Benny to complain about considering how little we know about Amelia apart from she's a vet and how is that on Dean.


    Also as much as it can be considered healthy for Sam to have given up the life it is just as healthy to be vocally pissed off that someone didn't look for you and dumped everything you thought they believed in - it is going to take time for Dean to get over that and to get his head around it - that is not a fault it is a fact. If Dean is all sweetness about it suddenly that doesn't work apart from making the world happy for Sam not showing that Dean has actually gotten what Sam is saying.. Sam has had time to deal with his emotions on this Dean hasn't that is what we are seeing but that still doesn't mean Sam can't walk at any point.


    Until Sam also opens up and says exactly what went down with him to make him decide that he wouldn't look and would just give up Dean is going to nag because until then his hunting right now can also be seen as self serving too - the gates of hell close, he's out, no demons no nothing no obligation to Kevin and Dean can do what he wants.

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