Is it bad to say that I'm not interested in this epi? I need more Charming family, in the 3 first episodes they were soooooooooooooooooooo good. Their story is my drug
No it's not!!!I have to say that I liked it this time that there was no Rumbelle story or Regina.Not that I don't like the characters but they bore me sometimes...I am more interested in Snowing and Emma!!!
Yeah I believe that too! Which is kinda funny since Robert Carlyle also played a bad guy in a Bond movie where he has a female partner who suffers from Stockholm syndrome!
how can pre-evil Regina be in this episode when it seems in the trailer as if she is clearly watching Rumple and Hook fight (and Rumple isn't the Dark One yet?) Doesn't make sense... if Rumple's not the Dark One, would Regina have been born? I mean he was the Dark One when Cora was Regina's age, right? Isn't that what he told Regina in 2x02 in pre-cursed FTL?...
I think they are watching something else and it was just the editing that made it seem that way, but you are right, it would be impossible for pre-evil Regina to watch pre-evil Rumple fight with Hook. What could also be happening is if pre-evil Regina is watching already evil Rumple fight Hook for revenge years after their (Rumple/Hook) first encounter, which could explain the first scene in which it appears that Hook is telling already evil Rumple that he is a monster. Maybe Rumple went back as his already evil self to exact revenge on Hook and Regina saw it.
Yep, it is Smee indeed and that makes me glad because I think Hook will enter the picture as another villain to rivalize Rumple. Since the villains are so well written in this show (in comparison to the nicer characters such as Emma, Aurora...), I am happy, at least for now. I am also very curious to find out which connection pre-evil Regina and Jefferson share...Maybe she did really send her mother to Wonderland with the aid of Jefferson and Cora was then released back to FTL when the other fairy-taley-dimensions (including Wonderland) were shaken up by the curse.
Stockholm Syndrome, hahahahahhahaha. I'd have to agree with you, but they wrote it in a way to make it very clear that it is true love, otherwise he wouldn't have started to transform back into a man when she kissed him.
I agree. I think pre-evil Regina and Jefferson are not in the same scene as Rumple and Hook's first encounter. It's the editing that makes it look that way.
I love seeing pre-evil Regina. That path from the young careless girl to an evil queen fascinates me.
I like your train of thought. I believe Rumple wanted to get Cora out of the way before enacting the curse and that's why he enticed Regina to send Cora through the mirror. It is only fitting that he would take care that Cora would not be brought over to Storybrooke by the curse.
Also tonight King George mentioned his wife was rendered barren by a potion. Could it be possible that George is the prince from the original miller's daughter's tale?
I think Cora was the miller's daughter from the original tale, so Regina's dad would be the man she married, wouldn't it? And what happened to George's wife? Did he leave her? Did she leave him? Are you saying that you think that Cora, the miller's daughter, married king George and for that had a deal with Rumple promising her firstborn. Trying to escape the fate of giving her firstborn to Rumple (and having the king find out about the deal) she drank a potion to be barren only to find out that the king only wanted a wife who could give him children and then to be abandoned by the king. After that, she makes a new deal with Rumple, marries Regina's father and is once gain (due to Rumple) to have children. Or, which is even more evil: Cora is the miller's daughter, makes a deal to marry king George, marries him, but cannot have children. The king "divorces" her and marries again in order to have children.She gives the new wife of the king a potion to make her infertile in order to exact revenge on king George, ends up marrying Regina's father and making a new deal with Rumple for Regina to be born.
King George mentioned his wife was barren because of a potion she drank. My first thought was the potion must have come from Rumple, but then I thought George would never have turned to Rumple to procure a son for him if that was the case.
If George is the prince from the original miller's daughter/Rumplestiltskin story it would be possible Cora (being the miller's daughter) slipped George's wife that potion.
We know King George's kingdom was in financial dire straits and he needed gold, because we saw him turn to King Midas for help in season 1. What if, as in the original tale, long before that he heard the miller brag his daughter could spin straw into gold. George promised to marry her if she could spin gold for him although he already was in love. That would mirror his decision to force Charming to marry Abigail for the sake of gold despite Charming's feelings for Snow.
So Cora who didn't know how to spin gold turned to Rumple who made the gold for her on the condition she give him his firstborn child. Cora agreed and actually fell in love with King George, but then maybe saw him with his true love. Cora curses the poor girl to be barren and backs out of her deal with Rumple because she didn't get to marry the king after all. That would explain why she is so disillusioned with love (she tells Regina love is an illusion) and it might explain why Rumple believes Regina belonged with him.
Alternatively, maybe George did love Cora but felt betrayed when he found out she couldn't spin gold after all. She may have confided to him that Rumple was behind her gold making success. That would fit with her comment to Regina that love fades. Either way I assume she then asked Rumple to teach her magic to take her revenge on George...
I like your theories!!! Either of them would explain a lot King George's and Cora's views on sacrificing love for the throne and love as an illusion respectivelly. Maybe you are right and the King (already in need of gold) was going to marry Cora, but she fell in love with him and wanting to be honest to her "true love", told him that she wasn't the real gold spinner, so he backed out of the marriage and married another (rich) woman in order to save his kingdom. Cora was deeply hurt and got her revenge by making his new wife infertile, so that his beloved kingdom - even though then saved with the wife's money - would eventually crumble due to the lack of an heir, so that King George wouldn't get his wish of keeping the kingdom. Cora then married the good hearted Henry and was able to renegotiate her deal with Rumple because in the end she didn't end up marrying the king. Maybe she made another deal with Rumple not only to keep her baby, but to make sure that Regina would have the chance to be a queen some day. That would explain a lot.
I'm sensing that not long untill we start finding out little bits and pieces, since I believe Cora will very soon come to Storybrooke (and shapeshift into Daniel to screw Regina's head making her believe she briefly saw Daniel).
Oh, that's an awesome theory. I also believe Cora will be in Storybrooke sooner or later and that she'll probably be there before Snow and Emma find a way back. I thought she might impersonate Emma and screw with everybody's head (maybe abduct Henry?), but her impersonating Daniel is a far more vicious way of getting back at Regina. I like, I really do.
Impersonating Emma is also very evil. She knows she could never impersonate Snow because at least Charming would know (maybe Red), but nobody knows Emma that well. Maybe Henry would suspect sth but everybody would think he is crazy again. Anyway, by impersonating Emma Cora would also hurt Regina by taking Henry from her.
Oh, I need some Cora backstory. How did she get so bitter?
I'm sure we'll get Cora's backstory at some point. Her bitterness most likely stems from a love lost mixed with illusions of grandeur.
Poor Henry, he'd be put on the spot again if he was the only one claiming Emma wasn't the real Emma. However Regina might sense something if that was the case and maybe that would help her bond with Henry again if she was the only one who believed him.
I hope this turns out alright. I'm not really interested in Captain Hook. However, Belle and Rumple will be in it and he'll be teaming up with Charming so that aspect should be fun.
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LOL at Rumpel's giggle. This looks great! I can't wait for Hook.
ReplyDeleteAnd I hope August will be back next week. I wanted to find out what happened to him.
Is it bad to say that I'm not interested in this epi? I need more Charming family, in the 3 first episodes they were soooooooooooooooooooo good. Their story is my drug
ReplyDeleteThe music was like the one used in the Pirates of the Caribbean!!!!Imagine if they brought Jack Sparrow.THAT would be EPIC
ReplyDeleteLooks like Hook has the upper hand ( so to speak ) over Rumple!
ReplyDeleteHook should be an exciting character,i look forward to it....!
Jefferson and pre-Evil Queen Regina at 0:21! Can't wait to see!
ReplyDeleteAnd this confirms Smee is the man who abducts Belle...
Words can't describe how excited I am for Captain Hook... and seeing this promo just reminded me of how much I missed Rumpelstiltskin tonight!
ReplyDeleteNo it's not!!!I have to say that I liked it this time that there was no Rumbelle story or Regina.Not that I don't like the characters but they bore me sometimes...I am more interested in Snowing and Emma!!!
ReplyDeleteI like Regina and Rumpel. Belle not so much.
ReplyDeleteBut yes, Charming family are IMO the most enjoyable part.
And I wanna see more August and Red too :)
I actually think that the whole rumple/belle story is kinda creepy.. Bell totally has Stolkholms syndrome and there is no fun and games about that.
ReplyDeleteI'm really itching to see August back as well for the sakes of knowing where he is.
ReplyDeleteLOL @ Rumples giggle. But yay Hook, you're looking fine! Excite!
ReplyDeleteFinally! I'm most excited about this episode. Rump, Hook, Belle, Red!!
ReplyDeleteJane Espenson said this episode is her fav episode of the series so far!
This episode is going to be off the hook!
ReplyDeleteCouldn't resist. ;)
Yeah I believe that too! Which is kinda funny since Robert Carlyle also played a bad guy in a Bond movie where he has a female partner who suffers from Stockholm syndrome!
ReplyDeleteEyeliner. Captain Hook and Jack Sparrow don't swashbuckle without it.
ReplyDeleteTWO WORDS: CAPTAIN HOOK.
ReplyDeleteI have been waiting for this episode. Rumpel vs. Hook, so excited.
ReplyDeletehow can pre-evil Regina be in this episode when it seems in the trailer as if she is clearly watching Rumple and Hook fight (and Rumple isn't the Dark One yet?) Doesn't make sense... if Rumple's not the Dark One, would Regina have been born? I mean he was the Dark One when Cora was Regina's age, right? Isn't that what he told Regina in 2x02 in pre-cursed FTL?...
ReplyDeleteI think they are watching something else and it was just the editing that made it seem that way, but you are right, it would be impossible for pre-evil Regina to watch pre-evil Rumple fight with Hook.
ReplyDeleteWhat could also be happening is if pre-evil Regina is watching already evil Rumple fight Hook for revenge years after their (Rumple/Hook) first encounter, which could explain the first scene in which it appears that Hook is telling already evil Rumple that he is a monster. Maybe Rumple went back as his already evil self to exact revenge on Hook and Regina saw it.
Yep, it is Smee indeed and that makes me glad because I think Hook will enter the picture as another villain to rivalize Rumple. Since the villains are so well written in this show (in comparison to the nicer characters such as Emma, Aurora...), I am happy, at least for now.
ReplyDeleteI am also very curious to find out which connection pre-evil Regina and Jefferson share...Maybe she did really send her mother to Wonderland with the aid of Jefferson and Cora was then released back to FTL when the other fairy-taley-dimensions (including Wonderland) were shaken up by the curse.
Stockholm Syndrome, hahahahahhahaha. I'd have to agree with you, but they wrote it in a way to make it very clear that it is true love, otherwise he wouldn't have started to transform back into a man when she kissed him.
ReplyDeleteI agree. I think pre-evil Regina and Jefferson are not in the same scene as Rumple and Hook's first encounter. It's the editing that makes it look that way.
ReplyDeleteI love seeing pre-evil Regina. That path from the young careless girl to an evil queen fascinates me.
I like your train of thought. I believe Rumple wanted to get Cora out of the way before enacting the curse and that's why he enticed Regina to send Cora through the mirror. It is only fitting that he would take care that Cora would not be brought over to Storybrooke by the curse.
ReplyDeleteAlso tonight King George mentioned his wife was rendered barren by a potion. Could it be possible that George is the prince from the original miller's daughter's tale?
I think Cora was the miller's daughter from the original tale, so Regina's dad would be the man she married, wouldn't it?
ReplyDeleteAnd what happened to George's wife? Did he leave her? Did she leave him?
Are you saying that you think that Cora, the miller's daughter, married king George and for that had a deal with Rumple promising her firstborn. Trying to escape the fate of giving her firstborn to Rumple (and having the king find out about the deal) she drank a potion to be barren only to find out that the king only wanted a wife who could give him children and then to be abandoned by the king. After that, she makes a new deal with Rumple, marries Regina's father and is once gain (due to Rumple) to have children.
Or, which is even more evil: Cora is the miller's daughter, makes a deal to marry king George, marries him, but cannot have children. The king "divorces" her and marries again in order to have children.She gives the new wife of the king a potion to make her infertile in order to exact revenge on king George, ends up marrying Regina's father and making a new deal with Rumple for Regina to be born.
My thought was this:
ReplyDeleteKing George mentioned his wife was barren because of a potion she
drank. My first thought was the potion must have come from Rumple, but
then I thought George would never have turned to Rumple to procure a son
for him if that was the case.
If George is the prince from the original miller's
daughter/Rumplestiltskin story it would be possible Cora (being the miller's daughter)
slipped George's wife that potion.
We know King George's kingdom was in financial dire straits and he
needed gold, because we saw him turn to King Midas for help in season 1. What if, as in
the original tale, long before that he heard the miller brag his
daughter could spin straw into gold. George promised to marry her if she
could spin gold for him although he already was in love. That would
mirror his decision to force Charming to marry Abigail for the sake of
gold despite Charming's feelings for Snow.
So Cora who didn't know how to spin gold turned to Rumple who made the gold for her on the condition she give him his firstborn
child. Cora agreed and actually fell in love with King George, but then maybe saw him with
his true love. Cora curses the poor girl to be barren and backs out of
her deal with Rumple because she didn't get to marry the king after all.
That would explain why she is so disillusioned with love (she tells
Regina love is an illusion) and it might explain why Rumple believes
Regina belonged with him.
Alternatively, maybe George did love Cora but felt betrayed when he found out she couldn't spin gold after all. She may have confided to him that Rumple was behind her gold making success. That would fit with her comment to Regina that love fades. Either way I assume she then asked Rumple to teach her magic to take her revenge on George...
I like your theories!!! Either of them would explain a lot King George's and Cora's views on sacrificing love for the throne and love as an illusion respectivelly.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you are right and the King (already in need of gold) was going to marry Cora, but she fell in love with him and wanting to be honest to her "true love", told him that she wasn't the real gold spinner, so he backed out of the marriage and married another (rich) woman in order to save his kingdom. Cora was deeply hurt and got her revenge by making his new wife infertile, so that his beloved kingdom - even though then saved with the wife's money - would eventually crumble due to the lack of an heir, so that King George wouldn't get his wish of keeping the kingdom.
Cora then married the good hearted Henry and was able to renegotiate her deal with Rumple because in the end she didn't end up marrying the king. Maybe she made another deal with Rumple not only to keep her baby, but to make sure that Regina would have the chance to be a queen some day.
That would explain a lot.
I really hope he is a good actor, because if he is going to be Rumple's nemesis, he'd better have some great acting skills.
ReplyDeleteSo as long as this episode has more than ONE Regina scene, I'm gonna be happy. Yes, I am that desperate.
ReplyDeletei think , when you become the dark one you remember all the old lifes he had and the memories !! that's my opinion
ReplyDeleteI think you put it much more succinctly than I was able to. Now how long do we have to wait to find out if we're right about this?
ReplyDeleteI'm sensing that not long untill we start finding out little bits and pieces, since I believe Cora will very soon come to Storybrooke (and shapeshift into Daniel to screw Regina's head making her believe she briefly saw Daniel).
ReplyDeleteOh, that's an awesome theory. I also believe Cora will be in Storybrooke sooner or later and that she'll probably be there before Snow and Emma find a way back. I thought she might impersonate Emma and screw with everybody's head (maybe abduct Henry?), but her impersonating Daniel is a far more vicious way of getting back at Regina. I like, I really do.
ReplyDeleteJohnny Depp cameo making out with Regina. Yes, I like to dream.
ReplyDeleteImpersonating Emma is also very evil. She knows she could never impersonate Snow because at least Charming would know (maybe Red), but nobody knows Emma that well. Maybe Henry would suspect sth but everybody would think he is crazy again. Anyway, by impersonating Emma Cora would also hurt Regina by taking Henry from her.
ReplyDeleteOh, I need some Cora backstory. How did she get so bitter?
I'm sure we'll get Cora's backstory at some point. Her bitterness most likely stems from a love lost mixed with illusions of grandeur.
ReplyDeletePoor Henry, he'd be put on the spot again if he was the only one claiming Emma wasn't the real Emma. However Regina might sense something if that was the case and maybe that would help her bond with Henry again if she was the only one who believed him.
I hope this turns out alright. I'm not really interested in Captain Hook. However, Belle and Rumple will be in it and he'll be teaming up with Charming so that aspect should be fun.
ReplyDeletesooo looking forward to captain hook! peter pan is one of my favorite stories ever!
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