For all asking @steven_moffat is well and currently having a family lunch but he's got a huge amount on and twitter was proving a distraction
We don't yet know the reason for him deleting his account.
https://twitter.com/steven_moffat
Steven Moffat deletes Twitter Account *Update from his wife*
9 Sept 2012
Doctor Who Sherlock
Update: 13:56 Thanks to Sandi for the heads up on this update from his wife.
For all asking @steven_moffat is well and currently having a family lunch but he's got a huge amount on and twitter was proving a distraction
We don't yet know the reason for him deleting his account.
https://twitter.com/steven_moffat
For all asking @steven_moffat is well and currently having a family lunch but he's got a huge amount on and twitter was proving a distraction
We don't yet know the reason for him deleting his account.
https://twitter.com/steven_moffat
I'm kinda glad he has if it's upsetting him, he does have that Scots temper :( So angry at trolls who have sent all the spite since last nights episode; makes me ashamed to call myself a fan if I'm honest :(
ReplyDeleteWas there spite from last night's episode? I mean, I don't like the guy but I thought generally the episode was well-liked.
ReplyDeleteSome didn't like the mature humour, but more seem to be very upset that the Doctor killed Solomon, while forgetting that he had just committed genocide and had no problem with doing so again in the future. It was more than justified imo.
ReplyDeleteNO surprise.
ReplyDeleteFanboys tend to harass people over twitter(best examples being Teen Wolf's creator, Jeff Davis, getting threatening tweets, and OUAT's Ginnifer Goodwin being attacked because she said that swan queen ship is impossible).
The rabid parts of fanbase do not know when to draw the line. Its understandable why someone would leave twitter after being harassed by their own fans.
I couldn't agree more! I think twitter has hit a massive popularity curve in the last 12 months or so. More people means more nastiness it seems
ReplyDeleteCan't stand the heat?
ReplyDeleteLindelof has been criticized since LOST finale two years ago, sometimes with really awful words by some shitheads, but he didn't erase himself, he retweeted them. Steven should learn to take things less seriously.
Plus the Doctor didn't kill him directly... he just didn't save him from the consequences of his own wickedness. The missiles were coming because of Solomon's actions... and Solomon was intending to make everybody else pay the ultimate price for that whilst getting away scot free. It was completely amoral to do that. Everyone has to pay the ferryman eventually for what they do.
ReplyDeleteAlso newsflash for some... the Doctor isn't perfect
Well, with all those crazy fans running amok all over the internet it is very understandable that an actor decides to delete his account. I am not aware of the specifics, but there ARE really crazy people who profit from anonymity on the web.
ReplyDeleteIs "swan queen ship" shipping Emma and Regina? I had no idea this was even happening.
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Don't blame him, I don't have twitter but I've seen for myself how nasty it can get when fans don't get their way.
ReplyDeleteOh no :(
ReplyDeletehe's tweets were so fun...but well,if the trolls we're make him angry (or you know,feeling bad in general) this is the best thing he can do,still sad though.
How is he going to be condescendingly sexist to people now?
ReplyDeleteIf Moffat is an actor, then I'm dating Kate Moss. :D Because he is a television writer and producer. :)
ReplyDeleteIt's really sad that people think the anger and disappointment over Ginnifer's tweets was about a ship and not something much more harmful and pervasive.
ReplyDeleteOh god so true
ReplyDeleteI do like Sherlock and Who but Moffat comes across really bad in interviews and on Twitter, his personality (or at least the one he shows in public) isn't suited for social media at all.
ReplyDeleteI don't know who he is, but the argument is valid for anyone involved with the entertainment business.
ReplyDeleteWell,thanks for the update,and respect his opinion, wish him the best!.
ReplyDeleteI'm really sorry to hear about that. But I'll respect his privacy and his decision. I'm only grateful to him. There's no one to me out there like Sherlock Holmes (he's my childhood hero) and Sherlock gives me a lot of joy. No matter the long hiatus if the respect and the love for those works are there.
ReplyDeleteThat's what Doctor Who and Sherlock are for.
ReplyDeleteThen don't bother if you can't take it...
ReplyDeleteThe thought crossed my mind, but not romantically, I mean people ship lots of character pairs and not necessarily romantic (like Locke and Boone or Locke and Ben for example)...But in terms of non romantic ships, I think the characters have a good amount of parallels, as I think Emma could be susceptible to darkness.
ReplyDeleteAbout about this twitter thing, I think it's really sad that the fans don't understand that something like adding gay diversity into Once is really not Goodwin's decision, and that even though we live in time where we can embrace such diversity, I can understand why, to some degree, that H and K would want to be true to the original stories in that they weren't written with Gay rights in mind...
Typical of the moronic and baseless comments from people who are happy to slag off the man while enjoying the fruits of his creativity. Entirely typical.
ReplyDeleteI don't think people should have to "take" that. It's a lack of self control and systematic thought to attack someone like that.
ReplyDeleteNot entirely sure that's fair, it's kind of like saying if I'm walking down the street and start getting verbally abused that I should just deal with it. Just because it's on the internet and these people are famous doesn't mean that people should be allowed to be wankers to them.
ReplyDeleteWhen you're such a polarizing figure and have views that are bound to clash with at least 60% of the population, you should work on growing a thicker skin. The showrunners/writers who end up deleting their twitter are usually those who bought into their own hype and are still surprised by the negative feedback (since everybody from the press, to tumblr and the fans are sucking up to them.)
ReplyDeleteHmm, you are right, Regina and Emma are very similar in many ways and Emma could very much be susceptible to "the dark side".
ReplyDeleteAs much as I think the fans' opinions are important, the interference one sees now due to twitter can be very negative when people cross the usual politeness boundaries.
Sometimes I wonder which direction some characters or shows would have taken hadn't the writers been so aware of the fans' opinions and pressure.
Oh, okay. :) But you should try something he wrote/created, I think you'd enjoy it. ;)
ReplyDeleteYes, really. I have a bit of a crush on her. :D And I should feel bad, I know, but what can I do... :D
Hm, just googled him. Had no idea he wrote some Dr. Who episodes and also co created Sherlock. I also liked TinTin, so i'll definitely will pay attention to his future endeavours.
ReplyDeleteI think a lot of fans are angry at him BECAUSE he doesn't take things seriously.
ReplyDelete"Fear me,I've killed hundreds of Time Lords"
ReplyDelete"Fear me,I've killed them all"
I don't get why people get so upset about Solomon's death. The Doctor hates violence and the Doctor doesn't enjoy killing,but he has killed before. And if there's something that puts him in a killing mood,is people who commit genocide.
That's too bad! I really hope it's not because of these stupid hate messages from "fans" he's received a lot lately. Can't even understand them! But I'm afraid it IS in fact the reason...
ReplyDeleteWhile I DO NOT support the horrible twitter threats he received, HE IS quite sexist in his writing.
ReplyDeleteI personally DO ship swan queen and I do see emma's slight shift towards dark side (since through S1 she went for more and more regina-ish methods).
ReplyDeleteAnd yet I still am disgusted by the whole twitter debacle and how some fans took Ginnifer's opinion that the ship is not really real and that they can't really "show" them making out on network tv as something homophobic.
It reminds me of debacle involving a far less real crackship of stiles/derek and how the fanbase attacked the lead actor, T.Posey calling him "homophobic" just because he said that he does not understand how someone can ship two characters who had no romantic interactions at all.
Only the best fans are critics. Steven Moffat is an incredible writer, and one of my personal favorites, but that doesn't mean he can't also be a sexist pig. It is possible to like Moffat's writing while still being unhappy with the way he sometimes chooses to write female characters (Amy season 6). It's not a black and white issue. I also don't blame him at all for leaving twitter.
ReplyDeleteSupposedly he deleted his twitter account because he started to receive death threats.Which I'm appalled to hear people were doing.If you're not a fan of his writing or him as a person then don't watch his work,don't follow him on twitter.There's no need to send someone death threats.
ReplyDeleteOnly difference is, Lindelof deserved the criticism.
ReplyDeleteI meant the criticism, wasn't talking about the writing of the episodes.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know about the death threats, that would make it a little more understandable, still can't believe he is the first one to receive such threats, and Twitter (the guys behind it that is) take these things pretty seriously, report those people that the authority would have been enough.
ReplyDeleteThat's bullshit, because beside what you might think about it, in Lindelof point of view he doesn't deserve any criticism.
ReplyDelete"In his point of view, he doesn't deserve any criticism"? Of course he doesn't think he deserves it. No one thinks they deserve it. He's a smug, arrogant little turd who needed taking down a peg; regardless of whether or not he "thought he deserved it".
ReplyDeleteNo , just because someone is popular doesn't give other people the right to be jackasses. People keep saying he hates women but I've seen PLENTY strong , brave, intelligent women on his show. I'm sure celebs and famous people have ENOUGH on their plate so when they go online to unwind (like the rest of us) they don't want to have to deal with everything again. It can be ignored but sometimes it just gets to a point that someone is like "You know what this is just making me more stressed" and if it is they have every right to do whatever the fuck they want to feel better like any regular human being.
ReplyDeleteWhile I completely love Moffat's writing (The Empty Child and Blink are some of the very best DW eps,there's no denying it),I can't say he hasn't let me down on some stuff.Still,I wouldn't call it sexist. Yes,some things he wrote about Amy irritated me a little,but I don't think we should generalize.In Blink, the Doctor's fate is in the hands of Sally Sparrow,and she totally saved his ass.And,more recently,Oswin Oswald proved to be even smarter than the Doctor himself.Hell,Amy gave her daughter her own last name instead of Rory's,and he seemed fine with it. So,I don't think he sees woman as inferior or incapable or dependent.
ReplyDeleteAm I being thick? I don't see sexism in Moffats writing, I mean in coupling he wrote three independent, incredibly funny women who were lived their lives indepedent from their male counterparts despite the fact that the show was about, well, couples.
ReplyDeleteIn Doctor Who River, Amy and now Oswin are all intellegent, indepedent and smart women
who don't need men to come and save them.
Finally in Sherlock we saw in the final episode that it was, in fact, Molly who Sherlock turned to in his hour of need.
I mean maybe that man isn't particularly tactful, but lets be honest we're all guilty of that sometimes aren't we? I'm not trying to say that he shouldn't be called out on it if his writing is genuinly sexist, but I just haven't seen it.
Maybe I'm just so blinded by his witty dialogue that I don't see him being horrible to my gender.
Tough words, that's for sure, but that's not what I meant. Don't understand why would be different for him that has been criticized for more than two years, when Moffat instead for less than a day.
ReplyDeleteIt's hardly been one bad day for Moffat, this hate has been directed at him for years, since he took over from RTD (who had a lot of hate his way in his time too).
ReplyDeleteAlso, as the show is 50 years old, there are a lot more fans of it compared to something like Lost too; I doubt Lindelof get thousands and thousands of hate tweets directed at him. If Moffat spent his time RTing all the shite that comes his way Who and Sherlock wouldn't get made to be honest.
Only the best fans are critics? We are creating a hierarchy of fandom now? How arrogant of you to take on. What would you say if I think calling him a sexist pig and being arrogant enough to think being a critic makes you a better fan than somebody makes you the absolute worst kind of fans? Surprise? Indignation? Amusement? Anger? Now you know what it's like to be critiqued by somebody who likes to use insults. Shrug it off. Shrug it off. It's what you get for being a complaining negative twat.
ReplyDeleteAmy & River have no purpose/lives outside the Doctor. Their whole lives are based on him. They can be sassy and "strong" all they want, at the end of the day they do not exist nor have a proper characterisation.
ReplyDeleteAnd so did/does Moffat.
ReplyDeleteLindelof messed with people for 6 years, and wrote Prometheus. People still hate him intensely.
ReplyDeleteLOL I personally think being able to criticize and discuss something you like instead of blindly defending it is the best part about being a fan, but you are obviously free to disagree with me.
ReplyDeleteI dont get why people have to attack someone over fiction... Make your own fan fiction if u dont like what you see.....
ReplyDeleteHmm I don't seem to remember saying that his plots didn't have holes, I was talking about whether or not you could see a sexist trend in his writing which, in my opinion, you can't. Not really sure I appreciate the implication that i'm so thick that I am distracted by shiney special effects, all I said was that I can appreciate that some aspects of Moffats writing can, infact, be considerered good i.e - he is writes excellent dialogue. I know full well that his plots often have holes you can drive a bus through, that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the series as a whole.
ReplyDeleteIf we actually get back to the point Amy and River are as wrapped up in The Doctor as any previous New Who companion. Rose spent her entire life pining after the Doctor and continued to do so even after she had been locked away in a parallel universe. Martha was smitten from the beginning and Donna searched for The Doctor everywhere for a number of years before getting back in the TARDIS so i'm not really sure how you can justify saying that this is a trend that can only be seen in Moffats writing.
I'm not defending that plot device, but at the very least Amy and River are cleverly written and witty characters who continue the plot rather than just stand alongside The Doctor looking pretty as it was in the days of Classic Who.
No. Donna, Martha and Rose actually had life outside the Doctor. They had families and connections, as well as personalities going beyond the usual "smarty spunky AGGRESSIVELY DESIRING THE DOCTOR RIGHT NOW with a catchphrase" that Moffat loves.
ReplyDeleteAmy and River are not cleverly written, they're just plot devices that talk back.
Martha travelled the world the world, Rose travelled through dimensions, Donna became a Timelord... what did Amy do besides remembering and getting pregnant?
How did Rose end up having a life outside The Doctor? She jumped at the first chance to marry his clone.
ReplyDeleteMartha ended up being arbitrarily paired with Micky and Donna was given a complete memory wipe and THEN ended up getting married and having a family. I like all of these characters, I just don't get how you can view them in a different way to how Amy is.
At the very least Amy is living a home life with Rory and is living her life how she wants to live it.
Why are you mentioning the END of their runs when Amy & Rory's is not over yet.
ReplyDeleteMy point was that DURING their runs, we actually had great characterizations and they had a life outside the Doctor. Everything about them was not about The Doctor. Unlike Amy.
Being smart & brave is good if they have (distinct) personalities. Moffat writes his women the same way.
Because during their run they spent their entire time with The Doctor and you were talking about how they had lives outside The Doctor. Also, to be fair, I don't have any other frame of reference because, whilst i'd love to, I don't have a time machine so I can't go back and watch their runs whilst they're happening again.
ReplyDeleteNot sure i'd agree that Moffat writes all his women the same at all, i've been watching his stuff since Coupling and I certainly wouldn't say that Jane, Sally and Susan were written in idetical ways to Mofats other female characters at all.
In addition Amy and River are Mother and Daughter, so there is bound to be crossover in their personalities. So if we consider Sally Sparrow, she was a slightly shy but friendly induvidual, in many ways the polar opposite to Amy.
No they didn't spend the entire with the Doctor. Hum, hello, they had families which actually impacted on their personalities. It was all about taking them from somewhere (original) to somewhere else, while maximising their potential. From Rose to Donna, they had an individual character arc of which The Doctor was the catalyst.
ReplyDeleteWhat's Amy's? She met The Doctor when little, she spent her entire life waiting for him (and still was in S6, and still is in S7.) Nope she had no family because of the cracks, then she had one, then she got pregnant, then she lost her child, then she found it again. Did it impact on her as a character? No. Because it was part of the plot. A bit of Timey-Wimey and we're on to new adventures! No need to mention the AOTD moment when Rory & Amy talks about Demon's Run because that whole scene was stupid. A can understand it affecting Amy, but divorcing without an explaination? It being a top priority when she doesn't seem to care about the daughter she already has?
Also, everybody knows Coupling is excluded from these conversations because Moffat had it right back then.
How can you exclude characters from the disccussion when we're talking about whether or not the man can be considered sexist? I'm trying to work out why you feel that his characters are written the same, but i'm not allowed to discuss other characters that he's written during his career? Doesn't that seem even the slightest bit ridiculous to you?
ReplyDeleteAs far as I can tell, you just don't like Amy, which is fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you can't just argue that he's sexist and that he writes all his female characters the same without comparing all the female characters he's actually written, whether or not they've been featured on Doctor Who.
He cast Gina Bellman in two of his series, in Coupling she was a slightly overbearing, self obsessed but incredibly funny woman and in Jekyll she played a family driven woman, who was intellegent and ended up being the key to the entire plot. How can these two characters be considered remotely similar?
I appreciate you may want to keep the disccussion to Doctor Who but I can only really point out what i've already said, in my opinion Amy is a strong willed and intellegent woman who embodies what I believe to be many of Mofats on percieved personality traits. She is devestated that she couldn't give Rory the family he wants after loosing River when she was a baby. I know you refered to this scene as "stupid", Imust confess i'm not sure why, as it does demonstrate that Amy has infact progressed as a character.
Coupling is out. Maybe you aren't used to discuss his women characters, but when we (the non-delusional fandom that is) do, we exclude Coupling and Press Gang as they feature great female characters and none of their characterisations are problematic.
ReplyDeleteDW, Sherlock & Jekyll.
As for River, Amy has not emotional connection whatsoever because the whole thing was a twist and a plot-device, not a character dvpt. Like I said for Amy and her characterization, I don't blame her per-se, I blame the way she was treated. The Eleventh Hour showed to much promise and... look at what happened. She just suits the plot while adding a little sass.
Do you understand how incredibly rude it is of you to call me delusional? I was trying to have a sensible discussion about whether or not Moffats writing can be considered sexist and you start calling me names.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you're talking about with regards to Coupling i'm not a memeber of this "fandom" I simply enjoy TV and in this case alot of the work of Steven Moffat.
Not only have you resorted to snide remarks you've also ignored the fact that it was you who said that Moffat writes all his female characters the same and then ignored the comparisons i've made between several of his charcters demonstrating why I believe this is not the case.
Clearly what I thought was a civil discussion about what is a serious issue in modern day television (sexism) is nothing but an excuse for you to bash anyone who happens to disagree with your view on a certain character.
Don't be turned off by the url:
ReplyDeletehttp://wholove.tumblr.com/post/30257830709/steven-moffat-is-a-douchebag-the-masterlist
So because he makes offensive comments that's means it's okay for you to be rude to anyone who defends his writing?
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Clearly this has slipped into the realms of ridiculousness. I thought we
ReplyDeletewere having an intelligent discussion about sexism in Moffats writing
but obviously not. If you feel it's appropriate to be rude to someone
because they dissagree with your opinion you go right ahead.
Maybe if you grow up and decide not to pick and choose which evidence
you can use and which evidence you can ignore then we can continue this
conversation. But seriously if you feel the need to resort to snide
remarks then I have no desire to talk to you.
Sorry, I don't get your point?
ReplyDeleteWhen people set up twitter accounts and bombard him with vile, disgusting language that personally attacks him and his family I think it's gone past 'negative feedback' to be honest. No one should have to grow a thicker skin and put up with such behaviour, and to suggest that he should is insulting imo.
ReplyDeleteGawd, I love how the Moff haters always fall back on the same argument and the cite the same made up/taken out of context quotes that are in that link to say that they are right about Moffat being sexist. I admire you for trying to be reasonable with this guy, but I think it's not worth the effort as they only end up insulting you if you if you disagree with their odd opinion :(
ReplyDeletePlus the ANONYMITY drives the people who can hide behind their keyboards. See what would happen if Twitter could afford to verify ALL accounts so the people you're denigrating are able to see who you are and where you live.
ReplyDeleteSo, what I'm reading here is that Moffat doesn't deserve the hate but Lindelof does?
ReplyDeleteHate is wrong! It doesn't matter if is directed to Moffat, Lindelof or another wirter. Hate is always wrong. And by the way about Lindelof: it's time to move on! Lost ended two years ago if you are still bitter about it, it means there's something wrong with you. It's a Tv show!
He had a good idea. Maybe I should delete mine too and get a few things done in the real world... :)
ReplyDeletethey arent out of context or made up.. He even said: There's this issue you're not allowed to discuss: that women are needy. Men can go for longer, more happily, without women. That's the truth. We don't, as little boys, play at being married - we try to avoid it for as long as possible. Meanwhile women are out there hunting for husbands. - how this isnt sexist?
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