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Supernatural - Episode 7.23 (Season Finale) - Survival of the Fittest - Producer Preview

15 May 2012

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162 comments:

  1. Bruce_F15 May 2012 at 21:19

    Heh.  Misha's a producer now?

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  2. Dahne15 May 2012 at 21:21

    I'm confused!  Why is Misha Collins doing a producer preview?

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  3. JMC0015 May 2012 at 21:22

    He was probably the only one available to talk about the episode.

    Although it really should be labeled Misha Collin's on Castiel on the Finale

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  4. Justine Kubica15 May 2012 at 21:24

    Oh, it's Misha talking! ;)

    I love this! Can't wait for new episode!

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  5. Dahne15 May 2012 at 21:25

    I'm a bit disappointed.  This is Sera's last episode as producer.  I kind of wanted to hear her thoughts about it not Bob Singer's or Misha Collins'.

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  6. BoxManLocke15 May 2012 at 21:26

    This is the same place he was when he did the CW Connect interview. Suppose they figured they'd kill two birds with one stone.

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  7. Cheryl Wiehr15 May 2012 at 21:27

    Can't we have a real producers promo please? 

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  8. Judy Smith15 May 2012 at 21:31

    I am thinking this is supposed to Misha about Castiel, not the producer's preview. 

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  9. Bruce_F15 May 2012 at 21:37

     It's done in the style of the producer's preview so I'm fairly certain this is what's passing for said preview this week.

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  10. isleofskye15 May 2012 at 21:37

    It's time the show's name was changed to Castielnatural.
    I would say it was more appropriate!

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  11. Pentadactyl Mail15 May 2012 at 21:38

    A) Ok, at the end of the day, all the "Castiel show" stuff is hyperbole but they're making it REALLY hard not to go there.  And this is on top of the very Cas centric sneak peek we already got.

    B) I'm so disappointed that they made even Crowley into YET ANOTHER "Exposition Man".  And that was a particularly boring recap they had him do.  I'm thinking he picked up the habit of having to state really obvious stuff from hanging around Dumb!Sam and Dumb!Dean for even a few minutes. They really don't understand show don't tell, do they?

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  12. Sybilla7515 May 2012 at 21:38

    Yep, I agree. I would have liked to hear her thoughts on her last episode as well, specially since she didn't do any of the previews for the second part of the season. I don't like that she's kind of going out in this radio silence, it's kind of sad. I'm hoping for some post-finale interviews with Sera, but I kinda doubt it. 

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  13. Chelsea_blue8715 May 2012 at 21:41

    The brothers are not even MENTIONED!!!! This is truly appaling. I guess it really is HIS show now. I'm not looking forward to the finale if it's all about Cas I watch for the boys.

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  14. jensenfan197815 May 2012 at 21:44

    Well, that confusing.   I expected Robert Singer since is no longer involved.  He did the last one. lol.  It was nice seeing Misha.  The boys are in deep trouble at this point.  Who is going to fight with them?

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  15. jensenfan197815 May 2012 at 21:44

    It is beginning to feel like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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  16. Sybilla7515 May 2012 at 21:45

    Technically, this is pretty much the same scene we got on the sneak peek, so i don't think that's all what the finale is about. However, they have to deal with Cas, Bobby and Crowley because they left it all for this last episode, which I think would have been much logical to deal with in prior episodes and then deal only with the Leviathans in the finale with all the players ready for it. But I dunno, so far it looks good for me, I just hope it won't feel like 7x17 where the story was good but there was wayyyy too many things in a single episode to really dig into the emotional scenes. 

    I really hope Jeremy Carver is better with the pacing next season and doesn't deal with everything for the last minute lol. 

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  17. Sybilla7515 May 2012 at 21:49

    I think they're not mentioned mostly because they used an interview with Misha about his character, which is what actors usually talk about, in fact, there's another video for CW conect from the same interview... I don't think he did specifically a preview on the finale in general. 

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  18. Chelsea_blue8715 May 2012 at 21:52

    well then it was it shouldn't have promoted as a producer's preview, it sends the wrong message about the finale.

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  19. percysowner15 May 2012 at 21:59

    I guess I need to accept that this is in fact going to become all Castiel, all the time.  I wish Sera had given one last Producer Preview, but she's leaving and maybe didn't want to. I've liked Bob Singer's Previews, he is a producer after all, but Misha is an actor.  Couldn't they use Jared or Jensen instead?  Also, are we supposed to care how Castiel reacts to the final battle?  Why not Sam and Dean?  Are they chopped liver now?  Well, Sam has been unimportant for many seasons, but Dean doesn't count now?

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  20. Sybilla7515 May 2012 at 22:00

    Yep, but blame the CW for that haha, maybe Singer wasn't available and they thought well let's give them this new interview with some aditional scenes. I don't even know why they simply didn't put it as an interview/preview of Misha talking about Castiel and the finale, lol. 

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  21. Ally715 May 2012 at 22:00

    ^^;; I feel of lot of hate around here. Last week we had a preview that was only about Bobby and 2 sec later it was the panic of ''this will be a Bobby centric it will be awful'', and there was a lot more

    Now you have some Cass talking and everyone assume it will be a Cass centric

    It remind me of some episodes where there was a promo that look totally awful, the episode didn't turn half as bad, you had people saying ''I admit it, it was better than i expected'' and the next minute you could see those same person saying how the next episode will be based on the promo

    Fans never learn

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  22. ravenclawwit15 May 2012 at 22:06

    So this confirms what I was thinking after the last preview, which is that Castiel's whole "I don't want to fight" thing is less about embracing pacifism, and more about being afraid of becoming something like godstiel again. He no longer wishes to have free will (the whole "route of flowers, the whole plan nothing to add" stuff) or to have to fight because he has guilt over what he became and fears becoming that again. Interesting.

    It would have been nice to get an actual real producer's preview if only to stop the whining, but it's pretty clear that this was just meant to be one actor's take on their character, not an accurate representation of the entire episode. It's likely that Singer and both leads are just too busy at the moment for producer's previews so they had Misha do it.

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  23. sharonally15 May 2012 at 22:08

    I  am not really interested in the finale so it can be whatever  as far as I  care however I  think what is the problem is Castiel/Misha doing what is titled has a producers preview.

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  24. Chelsea_blue8715 May 2012 at 22:11

    the fact is this is suppossed to be a producer's preview. This is suppossed to be telling us about the finale and the main characters are not even mentioned. What are fans suppossed to think? You can't blame fans for thinking that, they need to do a better job of promoting the episode. Fans are more interested in the brothers than any other character. It's perfectly logical for fans to be worried when the main characters are not even talked about in a producer's preview.

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  25. Ally715 May 2012 at 22:18

    Sure they need to do a better job to promote, but since more or less the same thing happened next week, no reason to panic yet, especially since its more a preview from a actor of his character and not really a real producer talking about the whole episode

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  26. Dahne15 May 2012 at 22:19

    Perhaps they will have something on the season 7 DVDs but I'm not counting on it.  Supernatural magazine maybe?

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  27. Dahne15 May 2012 at 22:24

    I'm not concerned about the finale being Cas-centric.  There's too much to get done for it to be anyone-centric.  However, I do think it would be a nice touch to have the producer preview focus on Sera this week since it will be her last chance and I for one want to know what she thinks about it. I mean she exec produced and wrote the episode.  Shouldn't we hear her perspective?

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  28. Ally715 May 2012 at 22:29

    Sure, I totally agree, I would love to see this too

    What I'm talking about is all those comments saying its only about Cass, the whole season was about cass, the whole episode will be about Cass cause we heard Misha talking about Cass for couple of seconds (+30 seconds of clips)

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  29. isleofskye15 May 2012 at 22:31

    All they had to do was label it "Misha Collins' take on the finale," not "producer's take" and there would have been less "whining" as you call it!

    Possibly there will be another interview with Jared and Jensen or with a "real" producer before Friday, as these things are probably done before the crew breaks up for the summer; at least I hope so, as it would be only fair to hear the boys' point of view too.

    They are the leads after all.
    .

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  30. Lissie_Bee15 May 2012 at 22:32

    It's cool to see Misha do this interview, since I think he always has some interesting things to say, but should the title of this be renamed maybe? Haha

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  31. Ally715 May 2012 at 22:36

    In the video its only saying 7x23 Survival of the fittest

    its just the person who put the video on Spoilertv who wrote ''producers preview''

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  32. C P15 May 2012 at 22:39

    Only difference is Misha is talking and it's only once, big deal. Still got a promo. If it was Singer, I doubt it'd be much different. They've got their mouths shut about the fight with the Leviathans, the major part of the episode.

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  33. isleofskye15 May 2012 at 22:39

     It seems strange that they would make such a mistake but I can't comment because I don't know who put it up.

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  34. C P15 May 2012 at 22:54

    I agree. Over reaction.

    I think they show so much of Cas for a few reasons 1) They don't want to reveal the Leviathan fight or 2) they still think/know/believe Cas is still liked by a lot of fans or 3) Singer and Gamble weren't available.

    Also,have to say to others this isn't even close to being the Castiel show as he has hardly been in any episodes this season. Can't have a show with the main character being on for only a few episodes out of 23 :P It's still Sam and Dean, people.

    Cas and Bobby are characters those who don't like them will just have to deal with, like I did for some of the horrible plotline with the brothers arguing over Amy and Emma earlier in the season and other things in previous seasons. Plus, I too think there should have been more about Sam's mind being broken and the Leviathans.

    Nobody can be happy with what happens 100% of the time because none of us are writing the show. And as much as we'd like to think we have control because we're viewers...WE DON'T. I accepted that a long time ago.

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  35. C P15 May 2012 at 22:59

    I agree.

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  36. C P15 May 2012 at 23:00

    Because it looked that way. It's more of just a simple preview from an actor.

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  37. C P15 May 2012 at 23:02

    I seriously doubt it bothers the crew. It's only for the fans it seems unfair. I'm sure they just want to go back home after all that filming so this may be all we have.

    I really don't see the big deal about it. The CW just did a vid with whoever they could.

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  38. Ally715 May 2012 at 23:04

    I noticed the CW wrote it too, I guess the mistake must come from them

    It clearly not a ''producer'' preview and if I remember in the past, it was written directly in the video when it was one. it more like another part of Misha's interview that they cutted it and took it alone just to promote the finale since he's clearly not talking the whole finale but, as he said, to explain his ''character's prespective''

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  39. C P15 May 2012 at 23:05

    It would have been nice, but even if she had/has been asked, would she do it? She may have been busy at the time or something else.

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  40. Ally715 May 2012 at 23:10

    :) How many time can I like your comment???

    There's wrong in the show for me too, like for everyone. But I never understood how can Cass, who was gone for 3/4 of a season be ''THE story of the WHOLE season''.

    Sadly the fans ill over react on anything, like I said in my first post, even if they said they're wrong one time, they'll do the exact same thing moments later

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  41. ZoeF15 May 2012 at 23:18

    Seriously? I am so done with this "Days of Our Castiel" soap opera.

    Please get a hint, writers. I couldn't care less about this if I tried.

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  42. ZoeF15 May 2012 at 23:19

    I can't like this comment enough. My God.

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  43. ZoeF15 May 2012 at 23:22

    Right here, the heart of the matter: Show vs Tell.

    Add that they keep Showing the wrong story...

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  44. KatHale15 May 2012 at 23:28

    Sometimes I really think that people are looking for an opportunity to complain.And usually I totally respect it..But this seems a little over the top.
    Yes,I agree,it's weird that they've labeled it "producer's preview".If that's the problem,if people are disappointed because they were expecting something else,okay.We're probably gonna see the usual producer's preview later in the week,anyway.
    Misha did an interview for the CW(this is part of the same interview) and naturally,he was asked about the season finale and specifically about his character's involvement.It's that simple.

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  45. Cheryl Wiehr15 May 2012 at 23:56

    I think some people might over react a bit ( like me )  as we are so tired of Castiel being force fitted in the show season after season. There's no place for him and the Angel mythology  any longer in the series and it only hurts the show each time they find some way to shoe horn him back in

    Hopefully with the progress we've seen with the brothers now becoming closer and the main focus of the show again as a solid unified team. We'll see the showrunners have the courage to say goodbye to Castile and the angel mythology once and for all. So this show can move forward

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  46. ravenclawwit15 May 2012 at 23:57

    I do not understand how this season has been more about Castiel when he wasn't even present for most of the season. That's some fan revisionism if I've ever seen it. Same goes for Bobby, even if he was in more of the season than Castiel was. Also your statement about "Fans are more interested in the brothers than any other character" is only true for some fans. Some, a lot actually, are interested in ALL the characters.

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  47. Cheryl Wiehr16 May 2012 at 00:03

    I liked  Robert Singers previews too and he also directed this episode. Maybe we have his or Seras preview yet to come I hope so!

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  48. Cheryl Wiehr16 May 2012 at 00:04

    I second that!

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  49. KatHale16 May 2012 at 00:04

    I understand that some people don't like Cas and want to see him gone,even if I don't agree.
    I just don't see how an one minute video got translated into Cas(who was in 5 episodes this season) being the focus of the show.That's all.

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  50. Lissie_Bee16 May 2012 at 00:08

    I've definitely considered that - considering all the negativity she received over the last two seasons, I don't know how excited she would be to actually talk to anyone haha.. but yeah, she definitely could have just been busy - that's what I've wanted to say to everyone on this page angsting about the fact that they didn't talk to Jared or Jensen instead - Jared's a new dad, let's face it, he's got better things to do... and Jensen may have been busy or unreachable as well. They do have lives outside the show! 

    P.S. Sorry you had to be the (un)lucky recipient of my little mini rant haha... you just provided a convenient segue!  :)

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  51. Sybilla7516 May 2012 at 00:38

    I agree with KatHale in that I don't get the overreaction, but that's really happened from a lot of different parts of the fandom so it's nothing new, unfortunately. 

    About Cas, this is still YOUR opinion. I don't think he's been force fitted into anything... I actually think he's the character who's more related to the current arch and I found last season focusing on a post-averted-apocalypse a very natural progression of the story. And you like it or not, angel mythology is now part of Supernatural, and just because they're there does not mean we'll have the apocalypse storyline again, just like demons they're a species too, and it would make no sense to never ever mention them again (even if it's to see them being exterminated like it's starting to be the case) when they've had a huge role on the show and when the world is supposedly ending again... I really don't understand how is all that is force fitted really, though I understand you may not like it cuz of personal tastes, but that's a different thing... And don't start with the Cas should have died on S5... The WHOLE show was supposed to end in S5, but it didn't so they have to come up with new stories that were not planned from day 1, and yeah they decided to use some of the supporting characters they already had, why wouldn't they do that? lol.

    I understand and share the complaints on not giving the brothers actually new storylines that, you know, make sense or that are not pointless... This season specially, last season they HAD storylines, they just sucked lol (though I found soulless!Sam entertaining, even if I missed our Sam). But the solution is not on killing every single supporting character who has a storyline which was clearly shown this season, it's as simply as getting creative and, you know, give the brothers a good storyline that goes somewhere...I'm really hoping with the changes ahead for next season they're capable to come up with something for everyone involved in S8.  

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  52. Ally716 May 2012 at 00:47

    Like him, don't like him, I don't care. I can understand why some people don't, that's fine. But just because you don't, doesn,t mean that he suddenly the biggest part of the season

    He was gone from the premiere (7x02 doesn,t really count since he was gone before the opening scene was over) and return in the 7x17, over 15 episodes in a 23 eps,m how's that making the whole season (and the whole show) only about him?? Expecially since this video seem for a lot of person here seem such a big deal to confirm that idea with one minute including one clip between Crowley and Dick, couple of seconds of another clip that was another part of the same scene than the sneak peek and couple of seconds of Misha talking about his character during a whole interview (his last CW connect) where he had a lot of questions about his characters and not about the season as a whole

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  53. Sybilla7516 May 2012 at 00:47

    I'm happy that despite all the changes the character has gone through, his actions are still understandable heh. You know, your post made me think that in a way, it's kind of a similar attitude that Dean had at the beginning of the season (without the incoherent ramblings and all, off course)... But we saw Dean absolutely hopeless and without feeling there was any reason to keep fighting because the world was gonna end no matter what and people kept suffering. I'm wondering if seeing Cas with this hopeless attitude will somehow help him deal with some of his issues (beyond Castiel's betrayal) in a possitive way if he's the one to convince Cas to get back in the fight. 

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  54. chris68416 May 2012 at 01:35

    Well said. This was obviously a mistake by someone at the CW or someone from this website. It's not a sign of a conspiracy to have Cas take over the show.

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  55. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 01:41

    Well most of the fans I know, care mostly about Sam and Dean and can live without the supporting characters. I'm talking about storyline here. They may not be in every single episode but they don't need to be. For example, more attention was paid to Bobby's storyline than Sam's. Sam's storyline was only dealt with for a few episodes and quickly put to death. But then we have Bobby's death stretched out over 2 episodes, then Bobby becoming a ghost and ever since we've seen him there's been that question of him becoming a vengeful spirit. That's much more coverage than we ever saw with Sam's storyline.

    Castiel has now been given Sam's storyline and it's all about what it's done to Cas, how he tries to mend things with Sam, Cas releasing the Leviatians, Cas being guilty, Cas' weird relationship with Meg, will Dean forgive Cas, etc. Even if it was only over a few episodes, that's still more than Sam ever got. And Dean never gets storyline anyway so yes even with only being in a handful of episodes it has been more about him. The focus on the story has been more on him than the main characters.

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  56. MarissaAO16 May 2012 at 03:27

    Misha did the producer's preview for the last episode he was in too, I guess no one noticed since it was released so late. 

    He's done a bunch of little interview-type things for the CW lately, I hope that means they're keeping him around. :)

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  57. brunna16 May 2012 at 03:48

    I love Cas sooooo much!!!

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  58. numer0six16 May 2012 at 04:35

    Crowley seems genuinly on the boys side. He is freaked when he understand that Cas is "out of order."

    Gosh that tremolo in Misha voice when he say "I can't fight. I destroyed everything etc."
    I feel for him. :'-(
    We saw that Meg and Cas are both present during the attack. I wonder what will make him change his mind?

    I hope they have not showed all the Cas scenes already just to draw more viewers.

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  59. numer0six16 May 2012 at 04:37

     Is this a fake promo?

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  60. numer0six16 May 2012 at 04:40

     We know from the promo photos that Meg and Cas are at their side.

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  61. numer0six16 May 2012 at 04:46

     I don't know about "we", but I care about how Cas react

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  62. ravenclawwit16 May 2012 at 05:10

    That's an interesting point about Dean. Although I think Dean's depression this season just came from the fact that he just lost too much in a small amount of time, plus the stress. He lost Cas and Bobby, was in the process of losing Sam to insanity, lost his car (which we joke around a lot about Dean's love for his car but when it's the only symbol of home and stability you've had since you were a child it's actually a pretty big deal), had to deal with the Leviathans with no solution in sight. That amount of stress would break anyone, and that's what I think we've been seeing with Dean, although he seems better in the last few episodes. Like he got a second wind for the fight or something.

    With Cas, I'm not even sure it's really depression so much as just guilt and fear of making the same mistakes twice. I actually compare it a lot to Sam in the beginning of season 5. When he and Dean split up and he decided to do the whole working as a busboy and pretending his name was Keith thing. He also didn't want to be involved with fighting the apocalypse, mainly because the guilt over raising Lucifer was crippling him, and he feared that anything he touched just turned into something bad. I remember Bobby calling and asking him to check out some apocalyptic thing that was happening, but he couldn't bring himself to do it, because he was kind of afraid of himself still. I think that was in "Free To Be You and Me". To me, that's a pretty striking parallel to where Cas is right now, minus the crazy of course. Of course, they've been doing the Sam/Cas parallel thing ever since this storyline of Cas going darkside started.

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  63. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:11

     Exactly. Cas has been in four of the twenty-three episodes and people still complain. Seriously?

    If a lot of fans weren't interested in Castiel, producers wouldn't show him so much in promos and sneak peaks.

    "A lot of fans love all the characters." Yes!

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  64. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:21

     I'm sure we will have interview of Sera before or after the finale. :-)

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  65. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:25

    I am excited about the finale

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  66. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:30

     I'm afraid it will be like 7x17 too. There is a lot to deal with. I'm also afraid we already have see all the Cas scenes.

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  67. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:35

    Not everyone, for my part, I'm afraid there will not be enough Cas :-)

    And yes, there is a lot of hate. I wish there was a warning so I could avoid all that negativity.

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  68. numer0six16 May 2012 at 05:56

     I can't like this comment enough. I wish there was a warning so I could avoid hate post.
    I don't want to read about people who hate a character, I want to read about people who enjoy the show :-/

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  69. Amber J Gardner16 May 2012 at 06:03

    *high pitched squeal*

    *composes self*

    Okay. I think I finally understand Sam fans and even Dean fans (at least for this season) who crave more about what is going on inside Sam or Dean's head. Cause I was really craving more about what the hell was behind Castiel's new outlook on life. And looks we'll finally get it and....it's taking everything not to fangirl like a moron. 

    Yeah. I think it doesn't really matter what else happens in this episode. I feel confident I will really enjoy it. 

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  70. Amber J Gardner16 May 2012 at 06:08

    He's not force fitted. Why do people keep saying this? I think it fits perfectly. He was the reason for the Leviathans. How could he not be involved in this season?

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  71. numer0six16 May 2012 at 06:09

    "...It's perfectly logical for fans to be worried ..."

    There is nothing logical in the reactions I see in this thread.


    ""...this season has been more about Cas and Bobby than Sam and Dean..."

    Are you serious?  Cas has been present in exactly four episodes
    I'm just speechless about a so blatant falsification of the facts
    o.O

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  72. Amber J Gardner16 May 2012 at 06:10

    Spot on!

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  73. numer0six16 May 2012 at 06:13

    " Cas and Bobby are characters those who don't like them will just have to deal with, like I did for some of the horrible plotline"

    THIS!   *hearty applause*

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  74. numer0six16 May 2012 at 06:26

     I do love Cas reaction. He is afraid of himself, of his own power. It's great characterisation.
    I wonder how he will change his mind.

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  75. numer0six16 May 2012 at 06:29

    Is Cas offering a sandwich to Crowley?
    :-D

    Mark is as good at playing confident Crowley that he is at playing worried-slightly panicked Crowley

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  76. numer0six16 May 2012 at 06:53

    I saw it :-)
    it's still on line :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVXbpqRJmjQ

    Yes CW keep him. He will be in season eight, no doubt about it
     \o/

    He is really good looking in those two interview and people who saw him during conventions say he is even better looking in real. Same goes for Jensen and Jared. I can't just imagine ... ;-)

    I noticed Cas voice too. Poor baby is overwhelmed with those silly humans emotions!

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  77. SupernaturallyMe16 May 2012 at 08:24

    Uhm, I know this is completely out of left field since everybody is talking about this being a Misha preview (which I don't mind), and not a producer's preview, but, since all the angels are dead, wouldn't it be awesome if they brought back Michael and/or Lucifer? Both sets of brothers would be fighting towards the same goal: Kill Dick. Just a thought.

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  78. Sybilla7516 May 2012 at 08:38

    Oh yeah i didn't remember thatt Sam had this attitude too, but i think was more because Dean had stopped believing in him than because he was afraid to mess up again, though that probably played into his attitude too.

    I don't think Dean's depression was only about loosing people, i was also about the guilt and responabilty he feels for not being able to stop it and do something so that the people he cares about stops suffering. This was showed specially in 7x04 and 7x15, and recently in his lack of response to Hester about how he corrupts everything he touches. This is where i see some similarities in Cas state of mind and since Sera said she'll leave the boys feeling they're doing the best they can, i think maybe having to convince Cas to fight, convinces himself completely again that fighting is actually worth.

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  79. sharonally16 May 2012 at 09:00

     Castiel can be in 2 episodes and still get more sympathetic storytelling than Sam  .I  dont care how many he is in it is what the writers do that count.Sam has had exactly 4 to 5 episodes dealing with his wall yet before we could blink the writers have Castiel fix him .Now it is Castiel's story and the whole Cas is insane will Dean forgive him .

    Castiel is a angel and not even supposed to have emotions and yet has had more emotional exploration than Sam has ever had it is barmy .

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  80. Kati16 May 2012 at 09:18

     "I couldn't care less about this if I tried."

    Luckily, it's not about you. Cheers!

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  81. numer0six16 May 2012 at 14:17

    *dolphin squeal*  :-D

    We guessed that Cas was in denial and afraid of himself, but it's nice to have some confirmation.
    I do hope we keep the talkative hippieCas a little more if only  for that reason.

    It's not just you, is voice wavered :'-/

    do not keep your fangirling at bay, express it!

    As much as I respect everybody opinion,  I'm quite tired of all the negativity.
    I missed Cas like hell all the season but I didn't express that feeling in every single post I put on line.

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  82. numer0six16 May 2012 at 14:29

     Misha has quite a big mouth for the spoilers.
    I bet the team is like "no Misha you can't talk about that" and he is like "yeah, yeah, absolutely" ... and then babbling enthusiastically anyway and totally forgetting about the spoiler line he cannot cross.
    The can't tame the beast :-D

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  83. numer0six16 May 2012 at 14:58

    I understand very well your POV because that's how I felt about Cas all this season. A quick exit in 7x02 and then he was barely mentioned until his return in 7x17.
    So see I can relate when you're angry-sad (?) because your favorite character is put behind.


    What I don't get is why people focus their anger on Cas and seem to
    think that killing his character or making him return to heaven for good will change anything.

    All this thread is more about how Misha dare to talk in the producer preview *gasp*, instead of the content of the preview.
    We are not even talking about Crowley double-triple play, or what Dick plan for the boys because he know about God "in case of emergency" note.
    It's no fun :-/

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  84. numer0six16 May 2012 at 15:58

    So, who think that Bobby ghost problem will be this year cliffhanger?

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  85. chris68416 May 2012 at 16:42

     "As much as I respect everybody opinion,  I'm quite tired of all the negativity.
    I missed Cas like hell all the season but I didn't express that feeling in every single post I put on line."

    I agree. For a while on this website, the community seemed to agree that they wanted this to stay a hate-free zone.  There's a reason that you don't find a lot of the Sam and Dean bashing here that you do elsewhere - the regular community here discouraged it.  And the Cas hate is just as bad as the Sam and Dean hate.

    It's hard to know where the line is between occasionally expressing a negative opinion about something going on with the show and becoming a habitual hater.  Personally, I think if you've made it your mission to bash a character every time that character's name is mentioned in a post, then you've crossed the line.  It's up to the community here what type of website they want this to be.  Do you all want this to be like those other toxic sites out there that are filled with brother wars, or do you want this to be a place where everyone (Dean fans, Sam fans, Cas fans, and Bobby fans) can get along?

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  86. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 17:03

    Maybe it was her choice not to do the preview. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes but she hasn't done a preview in a while now and I'm suspecting Misha is doing the last two because Bob Singer looked really really uncomfortable in the couple he did.

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  87. chris68416 May 2012 at 17:08

    I don't think it will be resolved in this next episode, so I think it will be a cliffhanger, but not the big one.  I'm betting the big one will have to do with Crowley. His presence in this whole Leviathan storyline has been suspicious.

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  88. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 17:12

    Maybe they are keeping the Sam and Dean stuff under wraps, like they did with Sam's storyline in 7x17. I'm interested in Cas' storyline very much but I almost didn't watch this because I'm mad at how notoriously they give all of it away all the time. It's obvious they do it to keep the Bobby storyline a secret, and the question of whether or not Crowley is on the boy's side. This info about Cas is old news. He already said he wasn't going to fight and unless he suddenly changes his mind I don't see how you thought this was going to be all about him.

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  89. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 17:19

    How did Castiel get a more sympathetic story than Sam. The entire season up to 7x17 was about Sam's hellpain and Dean worrying over him while Sam bravely pulled through. In 7x17 it was all about 'saving private Sam' who even at a mental hospital managed to hunt a ghost. Meanwhile Castiel melted in a puddle of goo, unleashed the most powerful evil onto the world, came back amnesiac and lost his marbles at the end, and got yelled at and spit on by Dean more than Ruby did. I see you have a different vision about what constitutes as sympathetic.

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  90. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 17:43

    If Castiel (and Meg, and Crowley, and Bobby) weren't on the show I would've stopped watching a long time ago because I'm done with stories about Sam and Dean. Everything that could be said about their story is already said and done. Both brothers died and came back, both went to hell and came back, both sacrificed their lives for the cause, both have loved and lost, both have been through multiple emotional roller coasters. Sam in particular had a lot of storylines about him from his special powers to his demon blood addiction to being a vessel for Lucifer to being soulless and finally housing Lucifer in his own head. I always find it ridiculous when people say Sam has been in the background. It makes me think they've become so used to Sam always being front and center that when he takes a step back to them it seems he is neglected.

    I wouldn't mind if Sam and Dean gave the wheel to someone else next season and sat it out until they once again seem fresh and interesting instead of the writers rehashing the same 'brothers at odds' storyline.

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  91. Ally716 May 2012 at 17:52

    I totally agree with you. SpoilerTV used to be one of the rare place where we could comments and discuss of the show, now I feel like being a big monster for liking the show. It's not fun anymore....

    Some complains are legit, the show isn't perfect, but there's no need to drag it over in every single post of every single article or video...or anything. Why is it so  urgent for everyone to drag the exact same complains, no matter what the topic is......I feel I could post a squirel picture and I'll start a fight about the Amy thing......it's over since last fall, get over it people! 

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  92. isleofskye16 May 2012 at 18:14

     Well, I have to compliment you on your honesty in saying what you think, and that is if I am not mistaken, that Sam and Dean should disappear from their own show leaving the whole story-arc to the secondary characters!

    Wow that's really radical!

    I don't see that ever happening but if it did, I would hope the ratings went down to 0000.1 per cent and that they axed the show right away.

    At least I would have my DVD's to comfort me!

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  93. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 18:24

    There are ALWAYS more stories to tell, there can ALWAYS be more character development. That doesn't make sense to me. It's like saying the that Smallville should've become all about Oliver Queen because Clark Kent's story got old. The brothers is what the show is ABOUT. Why would  a television show completely change the purpose of their series? That's a pretty insulting thing to say about the two leads who have given so much. It's their show and always will be even if the writers won't write for their characters anymore. Get over it.

    So many fans have already stopped watching, how many do you think will stop watching if they get rid of what made the show special?

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  94. isleofskye16 May 2012 at 18:43

     You said that so well and I completely agree!

    It's the first time I have read a post like the that; in which it is said that the two characters who made the show so wonderful in the first place should step back and allow others to take the lead!
    Unbelievable!

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  95. BoxManLocke16 May 2012 at 18:51

    Then why would it even be called Supernatural anymore ? You should just go watch another show and be done with it.

    And yes, Sam has been in the background for more than two years. You clearly can't tell the difference between plot device and POV.

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  96. sharonally16 May 2012 at 19:10

     Well you are entitled to watch the show for your own reasons but it isnt exactly what the show is  about is it and peddling out the Special Sam line is becoming old  and I  wont debate the whole sl/pov argument again however the show is the brothers that what it has been from day 1 it isnt like it crept up on you .
    If you are fed up with their story then with all respect you are watching the wrong show and besides how quickly would it getting boring watching secondary /brief characters stories they can only last so long in themselves  .

    I  appreciate clearly the boys arent good enough for you anymore but it is unrealistic what you desire.

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  97. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 20:30

    I never said I wanted the leads to be fired. I said I wouldn't mind if they were for once not the main focus of the story, or not as strongly a focus. It is not an idea that is too out there, especially for a show that is 8 years old. I've seen a lot of diehard Sam and Dean fans who wanted the show to end after season 5 and said their story was wrapped up. At least I'm still watching, but if the show is going to be a rehash of old stories we've already experienced I don't see a point in it continuing. Let the show be about Sam and Dean but let it end after their story is told and done. You say there are always more stories to be told but it doesn't seem like the writers have yet found those stories and until they do, I'm happy watching someone else's story, with Sam and Dean involved of course.

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  98. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 20:35

    I didn't say the boys aren't good enough. I said their story was told and I'm not eager to watch it repeat.

    They can still be the leads but to me it seems a number of fans want them to be the only focus of the story with everyone and everything else reduced to guest stars and one off appearances. Sorry but that's boring. If we were still in season one and discovering the brothers it would have worked. But entering season 8 and having to go through yet another cycle of the brothers falling out and getting back together, or one/both of them targeted by some kind of evil? Sign me out. I'd rather watch Crowley redecorate hell.

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  99. Sybilla7516 May 2012 at 20:41

    I'm betting on the big cliffhanger having something to do with Crowley too. Specially after Meg's "Crowley is always the problem" comment. But Bobby's fate will probably be a cliffhanger as well.

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  100. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 20:49

    Good point, the show is called "Supernatural" not "The Sam and Dean show." At this point Bobby, Cas, Crowley and Meg are way more Supernatural than good old Sam and Dean, won't you say?

    And Sam never had POV, that part always belonged to Dean. It's because Sam was never a Main Character. He was the Protagonist. Here are the two definitions to help you understand the concept better: "A Main Character is the player through whom the audience experiences the story first hand. A Protagonist is the prime mover of the plot." Primer Mover of the Plot and Plot Device are of course two different things.

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  101. sharonally16 May 2012 at 21:12

     But thats the point they are 'support' characters not leads .The problem is lately is the line between lead and support as become blurred  .Support characters are there to do exactly that they arent there to get main story's. The leads are Sam and Dean and you can have brilliant support characters who add to the story  but the brothers are the focus and you build around them .Just because you feel the boys story is done is not what others feel it is just your opinion .


    We dont know yet what will happen in season 8 Robert Singer has been quoted as saying less angst but whatever happens the boys are the leads and support characters are exactly that .And frankly we need to get back to that IMO.

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  102. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 21:13

    Then you already have your wish. There has been more focus on Bobby and Castiel than Sam and Dean this season. So what's your complaint? I also stand by what I said, there are ALWAYS more stories to be told, if the writers aren't creative enough to come up with anything that's something else entirely: a lack of creativity.

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  103. numer0six16 May 2012 at 21:23

    Hi Sunni-M!

    I'm not sure I understand the difference between main character and protagonist.

    In season three, the arc was about Dean and Sam trying to avoid Dean going to hell, right?
    So who was who during that season? (not trying to tricking you, just trying to understand)
    I loved that season. How Dean was afraid and tried to kept it for himself, how Sam was desesperate to help is brother.

    the scene when Dean teach Sam how to take care of the Impala was pure gold. I have goosebump just thinking about it (also because the weather is quite fresh and my windows is open but well ...  I'm babbling now :-D)

    You know, I love Cas. he is my favorite, but I don't imagine the show without the brothers. I would like a spinoff with Cas or something like that, but Dean and Sam belong together.

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  104. numer0six16 May 2012 at 21:44

    Now that we speak about that, did Jensen talked the producer preview when he directed his episode?
    If so I missed it :-/

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  105. chris68416 May 2012 at 21:49

    I'm curious where you're quoting because my understanding is that the terms usually refer to the same thing (the main character, or the hero of the story).

    But according to your understanding of Sam's role, how was he the "prime mover of the plot" in season 6 (the plot was the Crowley/Cas plot to open a door to Purgatory) and in season 7 (the Leviathans released into the world).  In both cases, Cas more accurately fits your description, wouldn't you say?

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  106. numer0six16 May 2012 at 21:57

     I loved souless Sam too. It was fun to see and I'm sure Jared loved to have something new to chew on.
    When Sam got his soul back, it was interesting too. How he reacted to what he did and all. It was all his POV and his reactions.
    That was good storytelling IMO better than the grandpa and the alphas ...

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  107. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 22:01

    No complaint. I was just stating my preference and offering a different opinion from all the 'show must be about the brothers' posts here. 

    The last two seasons should have proven to you that there isn't much creativity beyond hurting Sam and making Dean worry about him in the writers' vault. You can wish for more but sadly I don't think you'll get it.

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  108. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 22:04

    Whatever. I guess the ratings will keep declining. As you can see, the show being about the brothers is the popular opinion and if the writers won't cater to that, the show will be in big trouble.

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  109. numer0six16 May 2012 at 22:06

    Some people say that instead of simply admitting they don't like him.
    Just like they say "only a few fans like Cas" or writers are "fan-pampering"when Cas is onscreen ...
    I don't know why they try to justify themselves. There is no need to search a "logical" reason to love or hate a character.

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  110. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 22:09

    Yes, Castiel was the protagonist for the last part of the second half of season 6, Sam (or more accurately soulless!Sam)  "appeared to be" the protagonist for the first part, and parts of the second part like Unforgiven, of season 6. The thing about season 6 is that it was disjointed and not well put together. It was telling a story while pretending to tell another story. Cas could have been the protagonist but he was barely on the show and his endeavours were only told in flashback in TMWWBK making it seem like we were watching the story through the wrong lense. This is why neither Cas fans nor Sam fans think their favorite characters was the main focus of the season. As for Dean, he's always the one through whose eyes we observe the story yet never the protagonist (except for in season 3.)

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  111. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 22:13

    In season 3 Dean was the protagonist and main character. In season 5 Sam and Dean were both protagonists and Dean was still the main character. The only time Sam was the main character was in episodes like Mystery Spot or I Know What You Did Last Summer when the story was told from Sam's POV. It is a legitimate complaint and failry overdue to have a season with Sam as the main character.

    My quote comes from this link : http://storyfanatic.com/articles/story-structure/when-the-main-character-is-not-the-protagonist

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  112. numer0six16 May 2012 at 22:14

     I'm all for peace and shared love :-)

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  113. numer0six16 May 2012 at 22:18

    Letting a monster out of his cage to fight another monster ... not a good idea :-)
    The writers used the symetry between Sam/dean and Lucifer/Michael already. It would be  repetitive to go there again.

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  114. chris68416 May 2012 at 22:19

    I don't know.  Even with the first half of season 6, I remember thinking that the main arc had to do with Samuel Campbell's mysterious reappearance, the hunt for Alphas, Crowley, and Cas (who was acting mighty suspicious). We didn't know what the story was yet, but I was pretty certain all that was leading somewhere.  I thought that Soulless Sam would tie into all of this somehow because his backstory since he fell into the pit was so tightly guarded, but that didn't turn out to be so.  The Sam/Dean relationship seemed to be more of a personal story.  It took center stage for a lot of the first half, but it was still a personal story rather than the mytharc.

    I'd also argue that Sam and Dean's ties to the mytharc were pretty balanced in seasons 4 and 5.  Sam had Ruby and Lucifer but Dean had Cas, Michael and all of the other angels.  It was the story of two sides/heaven and hell, but both were necessary for the story to be told.

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  115. Sunni-M16 May 2012 at 22:19

    My hope is that they come up with a unique storyline for season 8. If they have the chops and come up with a new storyline for the brothers then the better. However if they buckle under it and decide to use of a supporting character to create their new story I'd still prefer it to the rehashing of an old plot about Sam and Dean.

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  116. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 22:19

    I think he was force fitted as well. The reason I say this is because it seems very obvious the writers are coming up with any reason to include him in the story, it FEELS FORCED and does not seem a natrual progression for the character. What seemed the natural next step for the character is to return to heaven after season 5 (I liked him then so it has nothing to do with dislike). After all the angels haven't been on earth in thousands of years until the apocalypse so Cas still hanging around doesn't make much sense. They keep bringing him back because they like him and it seems very obvious. It's very forced.

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  117. Chelsea_blue8716 May 2012 at 22:23

    no he has never done a producer's preview. Only the producers have, until now.

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  118. numer0six16 May 2012 at 22:33

    I agree that the brothers are fundamental to the show. That goes without saying for me :-)

    But I find the supporting characters story very interesting this season.

    I love Ghost bobby arc.

    Because of Bobby himself (the "road to hell is paved with good
    intentions" recurrent theme in the show), but also because of the
    brothers reactions to it and the difficult choice they will have to
    make.

    Meg and Cas interactions are quite fun.
    Cas
    avoiding conflict because he is afraid of what he could do is great
    characterisation too ... if you like the character enough to pay
    attention to it. 

    I'm not saying that you are wrong or right. I just want to point  that people can enjoy the same show from a different perspective and it's good that the writers understand that.

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  119. C P16 May 2012 at 23:06

    I don't mind reading. :)

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  120. C P16 May 2012 at 23:16

    Oh makes sense that the Cas hate rose when the CW closed the lounge...I started my online run in the lounge and boy I was glad when I finally left and joined some other nicer website with friends who even if they don't like something don't nag about it. I wanted to get away from the constant hate. It's like I get you hate it, just say it and move on. Stop repeating yourself. It's a drag. I loved the lounge during season 3 and 4 (especially the stories posted) but season 5 it just got nastier and nastier and the story-telling seemed to cease along with the fun threads like "this or that". People were too busy arguing. 

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  121. C P16 May 2012 at 23:17

    I'm thinking that as well. 

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  122. C P16 May 2012 at 23:25

    I want Bobby, Cas, and other side characters/villains to be part of the story to help round Sam and Dean's characters, but would never want Sam and Dean on the sidelines at all. If the writers can't stop making just another huge argument between them though, the story should be simple. They fight together, save each other, and deal with the evil against them as a team. Get inside their heads about how they feel about others around them. Just no more fighting over girls, please. That was the real soap opera part of the season. I like them bickering because it's realistic, but we don't need something that drags for several episodes when they have bigger things to worry about.

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  123. ravenclawwit16 May 2012 at 23:41

    Based on another spoiler I read that's the one thing I don't think will be a cliffhanger, but I could be wrong. Guess we'll just have to see! :)

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  124. ravenclawwit16 May 2012 at 23:45

    I know I rarely agree with you about...anything. But I agree with you about this. LOL there'd be no show without Sam and Dean. I just happen to like Sam and Dean AND everyone else. Writing the boys out entirely would indeed be "radical". Radically freaking horrible. Fortunately I'm 100,000% sure that will never happen. :)

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  125. C P17 May 2012 at 00:05

    Hey, if it's cancelled so be it. I got 8 seasons. More than I expected and I'm grateful despite the flaws and rehashes of some story lines. I just hope next season Carver can add more action and the family/friends stuff he has going on with Being Human, minus the romantic relationships. Bring on more Very Supernatural Christmas, Mystery Spot, and Point of No Return episodes. 

    Oh and if it were just about Sam and Dean this show probably wouldn't be my fav anymore. I love them, but I need side characters too. Doesn't have to be Bobby or Cas, but there needs to be interactions with others. I'd be bored them sitting in the Impala for half the show alone talking feelings. 

    We got plenty of Sam and Dean alone episodes this season and it became very apparent that the writers just don't know what to do with them anymore except make them fight. Watching two people argue over girls wasn't the most exciting thing ever. 

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  126. C P17 May 2012 at 00:08

    I'm with you. I didn't like Bobby dying, but I do find the ghost thing interesting, just hope he won't go bad.

    The Cas guilt arc too. 

    Sam and Dean's reactions to these events have really given depth to them more, seeing how they each react differently. 

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  127. Sybilla7517 May 2012 at 00:12

    Why was that the natural progresion of the character? Because you would have liked it more? Clearly, the writers thought otherwise and I also don't think that angels returning to Heaven and never coming back like before the apocalypse would have made sense because that was NOT supposed to be averted, that was not the plan. By screwing up the big plan there were no rules anymore, only chaos... SPECIALLY among the angels. 

    And about Cas, in fact, he DID go back to Heaven at the end of S5 and as it seems like a natural for the character to me, he tried to explain his brothers and sisters what he had learn about free will thinking that's what God wanted him to do... and well, the consequences of that on Heaven can be seen in S6 and on Earth now in S7... Seriously, what is not natural progression for the character about that? And how does he not fit into this storylines? I just seriously don't get where the whole thing was forced. 

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  128. Amber J Gardner17 May 2012 at 01:52

    Yes. You said it better than I would have in my reply. And it's not like Castiel showed up on his own. The boys called him. And if you were a hunter and had a friend who was a super powerful angel, why WOULDN"T you call on him for help? It would have been a major plot hole if they never called Castiel for help after everything, like he never existed.

    To me, that would be the forced storyline. The storyline where since the writers hated him so much, they pretended Castiel never existed. That would be much more forced than what actually happened.

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  129. CyanaT17 May 2012 at 02:04

    Cas (and Bobby) doesn't have to be in a majority of episodes for this season to feel as if the recurring characters got as much "emotional" focus as the lead characters. How many episodes (that Cas wasn't in) did Dean (and Sam and Bobby ) mourn or discuss how emotionally affected they were affected by Cas' "death"? How many episodes did the writers insert hints that Ghost!Bobby was still around and the boys had disagreements and conversations about whether "Bobby" was still "here" or whether they only hoped he was or wasn't? 

    By the time both characters "reappeared" both "dead" characters had been discussed to varying degrees in many episodes, that when they "revealed themselves" it was kind of anticlimatic.   

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  130. isleofskye17 May 2012 at 06:22

     I'm glad we have found a point of agreement.:)

    I'm sure that writing out the boys will never happen either, such a thing is completely inconceivable.
    Anyway I am feeling optimistic for next season; they just have to find the right mix of Winchesters and partners.:)

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  131. numer0six17 May 2012 at 06:24

    thanks :-)

    let's hope we'll have Jensen comment on his episode on the dvd extras then

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  132. ARIS317 May 2012 at 06:42

     The show is called Supernatural and actually it is the Sam and Dean show (or at least it should be). Because it is about two brothers saving people, hunting things. The family business. And it would much more simple for someone who doesn't think that the show is about Sam and Dean to find sth else to watch, than expect the show to replace Sam and Dean and bring in new characters...
    I really wish they made a Castiel spin-off. Then everyone would be happy...

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  133. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 07:55

    I doubt Supernatural magazine will feature an article why Sera did not review her contract or anything on the season finale, her final episode. Looks like she just disappeared. 

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  134. sharonally17 May 2012 at 08:00

     Dean spat on Castiel? just for the record the difference Sam is Dean's brother and considering Sam had to literally work for forgivness Castiel has got off pretty lightly .Sympathatic storytelling is how the story is presented what you are telling the audience even in TMWWBK Cas got more of that than Sam has had throughout his entire sl and Ben made sure of that.

    Sam jumped into a pit took Lucifer with him suffered a 180 yrs of torture , brought back souless by Castiel , had his soul put back in , had a wall in his head to help him then had to cruelly pulled down by Castiel , suffered hallucinations then the show gave his story to Castiel who didnt lose his marbles he just took Sam's .

    And you talk as if what Castiel has suffered is so much worse and Dean treated him badly sorry but couldnt agree with that on any level.

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  135. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 08:05

    But maybe Castiel won't survive the finale and we won't get to see him again before mid-season?

    :) Could this be why they let Misha talk about the season finale because we won't see him again any time soon? *one hopes*

    I really wish not everyone would steal screentime from Sam and Dean, it's getting annoying , do you hear me Supernatural guys behind the sceens????

    What happened about the 2 leads of the show???
    Do you even remember them??

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  136. isleofskye17 May 2012 at 08:20

     Amen to that!
    Maybe they wanted to give Misha one last moment in the limelight. :)
    If that were the case I would let him talk for an hour in a producer's preview!

    As for your appeal to the  SPN showrunners, I hope that they read this thread and listen to to what you have said.

    Some love for the J's and Sam and Dean too!

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  137. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 09:12

    Can I like your post a zillion times?

    Yes, I'm tiered of Castiel and the whole boring Angel plot, shoved down our throats season after season.This whole Angel story should have ended with "Swan Song" for good.

    BTW, no matter if Castiel is on the show or not the ratings stay the same, so really no need for the winged disaster to return.

    Since the pilot I watch this show for Sam and Dean. Not for the recurring cast even I'm a fan of Bobby and Crowley.

    But my primary motivation to watch are Sam and Dean hunting monsters and other evil Supernatural creatures.

    I really hope showrunners Singer and Carver move this show forward against new foes, who are better plotted then the Leviathan, and finally leave the whole Angel-God-Heaven stuff behind for good. It has become extremely lame and boring the last 2 seasons.  

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  138. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 09:23

    Of course there is no "Casnatural" conspiracy, that would be ridiculous.

    But people do have a right to express that they don't like a recurring character to come back again and again.
     

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  139. chris68417 May 2012 at 13:24

    "But people do have a right to express that they don't like a recurring
    character to come back again and again, without being jumped at by
    Castiel fans."

    Um, no.  If I started flooding the site with comment after comment about how much I hate Dean and wish he would go away, I would expect a response.  Same thing if I flooded the site with negative Sam comments. No one has prohibited you from making your comments, but you have to expect a response.

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  140. Mekina17 May 2012 at 14:27


    Honestly I don't see how a SN fan can care more for a supporting character than the main characters. That has never made sense to me and I believe the majority do have that mentality.

    100% this... Something I just don't understand. I can't stand Castiel myself, but some people like him, I get that. What I don't like is when I see people saying they're only watching the show for him, that they fast forward or just plain don't watch every episode/scene without him. If that's the case, why are they even watching this show? It's about Sam and Dean, the Winchesters, in the end, and if they don't like them they shouldn't call themselves a fan. ;P

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  141. Mekina17 May 2012 at 14:29

    Jumping in here to ask, how exactly did Dean spit on Castiel?! Of course Dean was more worried about Sam, Sam is his brother and number one priority... No matter how important Castiel is to Dean, whether or not he is his friend, Sam is Dean's brother. It was Castiel's fault Sam was in that state anyway, so Dean can't be blamed for being less than happy with him, imo.

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  142. Mekina17 May 2012 at 14:32

    Agreed. Both Castiel and Bobby got a lot of focus, even when they weren't on screen. And when they were, they got the spotlight and became the most important thing, it seemed to me... Shoving aside Sam and Dean, who are meant to be the main characters.

    I seem to recall being promised this season Sam and Dean would be on their own, but instead Castiel and Bobby died, then got brought back, which made their deaths pointless and with no emotional impact whatsoever, looking back on them. (That's a problem with death in general on the show, though.)

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  143. Mekina17 May 2012 at 14:35

    I more than agree with this. Castiel is constantly being shoved in, and now the rest of the angels are apparently gone, there's no reason for him to stay around. He's refusing to fight now anyway, so all he does is hover and make weird comments about bumblebees... ;P I've got my fingers crossed that next season he'll finally be gone for good, with no chance of coming back. (Honestly, as much as I love Bobby, I feel the same way about him. He has to go, he's an easy out for the boys, giving them information and researching for him so they don't have to do the work themselves.)

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  144. Mekina17 May 2012 at 14:47

    I'm kind of mystified as to how you can say such a thing... The side characters are such because they're meant to be more in the background. Not permanent fixtures, just adding a little variety, I suppose... I myself am honestly wanting Castiel, Meg, and Bobby (even though I truly love the character) gone. Guest stars would be great, new ones, but Sam and Dean are why I watch the show. They're the reasons I'm still with the show, because I love the characters. Lately I've felt like they've been ignored and drastically dumbed down in favor of every other character that appears on the show, and I do indeed feel like Sam has been in the background, and Dean's storyline, what there has been of it, has been OOC. Both of them have been.

    Basically, I'm confused by your comment because Supernatural would not be Supernatural without the Winchesters, without Sam and Dean it wouldn't be the show I've loved since S1. If Sam and Dean 'sat it out' and Castiel/Bobby/Meg/insert other character here became the focus, it would be a different show entirely, one I would have no interest in watching.

    There does need to be better storylines, I agree with that, and S7 has been the weakest so far, imo, but it doesn't mean I want Sam and Dean gone. I want them to have equal time, equal focus, the main characters, the smart, strong hunters they used to be.

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  145. Sybilla7517 May 2012 at 14:58

    I get where you're coming from and i think that's part of the reason why the writers have found it hard to write new and fresh stories for the Winchesters in S7 that isn't about how they react to what happens to those they care about once the storylines they started for them in S6 were over.

    But it's also imo due to lack of creativity or, at least, not executing ideas properly. Since just the theme of the season would have been a cool and fresh story for the Winchesters. The brothers on the run from a powerful eand supposedly smart enemy is not really something we've seen before in a long term.... why keeping the MOTW episodes sticking to the old formula instead of giving them sone sense of urgency and danger because the Leviathans were followong them close behind....instead of that after slash fiction the Leviathans stopped caring about them. And why not give an actual and more powerful reason why they need to get rid off the Winchester than just to keep their existance a secret? And it's pointless now to say how cool it would have been to see Sam having more problems to keep the focus on the hunt due to his hallutinations. I dunno there were ways to make the Winchesters plot more interesting this season in addition to how the dealt with the supporting characters stories.

    Also, if Bobby doesn't survive next season, i would also like to see the Winchester becoming mentors or the go-to-guys for other hunters when they need help on a case with all they've through by now, i'd like to see them share their experience, for example. I dunno, there are really still stories that can be told and i'm hoping it is not just more creative next season but also better executed.

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  146. neon_ruby17 May 2012 at 15:08

    Bit strange to have Misha do this.

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  147. neon_ruby17 May 2012 at 15:10

    Yes I agree. Would have really liked to see Sera's perspective on this episode given that it's her last as showrunner.

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  148. numer0six17 May 2012 at 16:23

    maybe she has another project?

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  149. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 16:24

    Of course you have to expect response, that's reason we all post here. But there is response and response. But it's all in the detail and I'm talking about those one liners about needing the nerd angel back combined with ridiculous threats like stop watching the show.

    Feels to me like those responses are getting more and more here. 

    To comment on your example if you don't like half of the two leads might want to stop watching the show.

    But I really don't see any problem with disliking a recurring character and wanting him gone because his story is told.

    In the end it all comes down to personal preference, and in the end we have to live with what we get from the new showrunner team. 

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  150. numer0six17 May 2012 at 16:44

    I don't like to see people saying they hate Castiel and  wish he was dead ...again and again in every single post.
    Does it bother me? Yes, but  I deal with it.

    differents viewers, differents opinions.


    Why do you say that viewers who don't think like you aren't fans?
    I am a fan and I'm hurted by that sentence.

    I care more for Cas than for Dean or Sam or any other because he is my favorite character on the show. Why is that so hard to understand and to accept?

    In fact, I am a fan who enjoy every single character in our show. And at least, I don't bash any of them in every single post

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  151. numer0six17 May 2012 at 16:47

    So if people caring more about supporting characters are bad fans.

    And if writers have cared more about Bobby and Cas than the bros.

    Spn writers are bad fans, right?

    :'-D

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  152. numer0six17 May 2012 at 16:55

    can we petition to re-open the CW thing?
    :-D
    I'm quite glad I never ventured over there. I stay safely here and in general tv show sites

    "i don't like conflict" *puf* (disapearing and breaking the word of God) :-D

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  153. numer0six17 May 2012 at 16:58

     Just another thing :
    It bother me that Michael is stuck in purgatory. He is an angel :-/
    I would like if he could be free and get back to Heaven.
    Angels need a leader and prophets need protection.

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  154. numer0six17 May 2012 at 17:03

     I am still thinking about the spoiler "two fan favorite will find themselves in an unexpected place"

    It could very well be Bobby but I wouldn't bet on Crowley.
    I think that Crowley will crawl his way out like he usually does. He is quite the survivor.

    What if one of the fans fav. was the impala?
    :-)

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  155. numer0six17 May 2012 at 17:03

     Soon, very soon!
    :-)

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  156. numer0six17 May 2012 at 17:20

     "There are ALWAYS more stories to tell, there can ALWAYS be more character development."

    YES to That! I am not tired at all of the adventures of the brothers.
    The tv show are quite repetitive of course: .There is a canevas and mains characters that give a tv show is own identity.

    I saw that reaction against a main character in the xfiles fandom when Mulder was remplaced by Dodgett. It was a huge schism in the fandom and the show die soon after Duchovny leave. Even if it was the lead actor decision, I stopped to watch the show when Mulder was no more a main character.


    Chelsea_blue87: *"The secondary characters aren't even interesting enough to have their own series IMO anyway."

    If you find Sunni-M is insulting to the 2J, you must admit that what you say* is quite insulting to the others actores too :-/

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  157. Mekina17 May 2012 at 17:27

    I didn't mean that people who prefer Castiel, or have him as their favorite character, I just said I didn't understand why anyone would prefer him because I don't like him. When I said people weren't true fans I meant people who don't like Sam and Dean. You do like Sam and Dean, Castiel is just your favorite character. I get that. I don't know what you see in him, but fair enough. I meant people who watch the show only for Castiel, who don't like Sam and Dean. I don't know why they bother to watch SPN when they don't like the two main characters.

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  158. comicfangirl17 May 2012 at 17:28

    I would hope so.
    I disagreed with a lot what she did while running the show, but still she wrote many of my favorite Supernatural episodes. 

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  159. dharmabum817 May 2012 at 18:06

    I'd much rather hear Misha, tbh. What's Sera supposed to say? Sorry for royally screwing up the show. Laters!

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  160. dharmabum817 May 2012 at 18:10

    Yes, because I'm sure Sam and Dean wont be featured AT ALL. *cough*. Basically this is saying Cas is mentally in no shape to help so it's up to the Winchesters.

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  161. dharmabum817 May 2012 at 18:12

    Can't like enough.

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  162. numer0six20 May 2012 at 13:52

    Hi sorry for the late answer. A lot going on with all the finales.
    Thanks for the link.
    very interesting. Will try to keep that in mind when I rewatch
    :-)

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