The Inner Child will grow up to be September. The reason he didn't turn out like those other Observers was because he received proper affection for a change. The Cortex-kids with their abilities gave the abilities to their far-future descendants who became the Observers; the Observers step in and create this dictatorship to stop Jones' collapsing of the universes. I was wrong; this isn't what happens if Jones wins, this is what happens if Jones LOSES.
WOW WOW WOW ... the leader of the Observers gives me really the creeps... and AWWW Walter and food... it's gonna be soooo epic !!! Thank you soo much for the share!!! ♥
Since Peter was erased from the timeline what ever happened to the girl that never caught the firefly and was killed in an accident that was mentioned by September in "Firefly?" Since Peter was erased Peter never kept that girl from catching the firefly. What happened to her?
red/blue universe's will never find peace its either Walternate or Jones and now evil creepy/ Observers with powers . its either Jones merge two worlds in one and create a new one or the evil observers dictators? tough choice to be made!!
Karma Slingshot spooky action at a distance! TOO amazing!
(The last comic had Walter put in cryogenic chamber and they woke him in 2036...by 2046 he is in space and is using matter from the machine(s) to full the space ship!)
As I have said, I believe most FRINGE cases lead to the creation of the Observers. The cortexifan is not a surprise considering they can cross universes. http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=23330
This is what I think happened over the next 24 years:
2012: To protect themselves from destruction, the Observers kill Jones and set up a dictatorship to prevent an uprising like that from happening ever again. The rest of the Observers travel back from their future home to live here and Over There.. This is the final rewriting of the timeline (or so they think).
2012-2015: The Fringe team becomes the voice of the rebellion, with Peter and Olivia as their leaders (think Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman). They have a baby girl who they name Henrietta. The Observers attempt to crack down, but are unsuccessful.
2016: Perhaps to avoid capture, Walter amberizes himself until the proper moment. Someone suggested that Peter and Olivia gave their daughter to Nina; I agree. Peter and Olivia disappear, but are most likely killed. Fringe Division is the law enforcement arm of the Observers, with Broyles at the head.
2026: Someone (possibly Broyles, on advice from either Peter or Walter) sends the machine back millions of years.
2036: The resistance is weak; the Observers reign supreme. A murder brings Etta (now a Fringe Division agent) and Simon (an agent from the other side) together; they find Walter and release him.
That's all I can think of with the present information.
i agree except one part i think Peter is alive , i think i saw him in the first promo that played after ep18 .I think Olivia though for sure that is dead .
This seems like a pretty logical timeline, although knowing Fringe - our expectations and what we think is true will be completely blown out of the water by the time we've finished watching.
Once I looked up Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman, I began to see your point. But I wonder which Broyles this is, since one of them went to jail last ep. And Broyles is looking pretty old, but Peter looks great (must have been amberized).
Damn! I was expecting the amber to MELT not for Walter to go flying out! So...we have Observers who are a**holes... and older Broyles but no indication of which universe in...is there a third or is this ours gone very very wrong!
Looks awesome! This is a two parter, right? So, I'm going to have to struggle as hard as I can not to watch part one until part two airs. I'm not at all sure I can get to the end of part one without my head exploding, otherwise.
Well it could be that many time lines have already existed prior to "THIS" 2036 and some how they have locked other possible time travelers out and made the 2036 + it's own reallity and time line---made it constant.
So it's possible that someone got "a letter of transit" so they could go to the this 2011 past and attempt to change the future...She may have traveled to Peter to warn him and tell him what to do.....or what not to do.
We can assume the Observers are still trying to work around Peter. -That he is still a variable that they can't predict his course for some reason...
It all just comes down to Jones...I mean seemingly the reason he lives is because Peter was not there to help Walter find the plug...So do the Observers want Jones to succeed...destroy the universes and have his animal shapeshifters become the new humanity???? What would be in it for the Observers?....No time travelers any time too soon perhaps???????
For now it's a one parter, but I can't imagine that there showing us this for no reason. I feel certain that this future may have always been playing a role in regards to humanity's digress...
I think it will be important to the finale episodes, but I also think it will be the next place to go in season 5....::fingers crossed::
well with a future like that either it ends with timetravel aka terminator alike scenario with Etta or someone wakes up? (dream) but perharps not. I tend more in the timetravel scenario as well and title seems to agree with me as well! but if i can recall in casablanca the letters were 2 right?
It's one of those things that's hard to say...I mean maybe some of the characters "will be" traveling to then?
Of course it's also possible that there are other locked (<--hinted in "A Short Story About Love") time lines/time periods that are also messing with all events, even this 2036. It just depends on what "time" existed when first, verses when any branch offs could have been made.
I assume they are talking about "native" verses "unative" like Star Trek does, which implies "time(s) of origins"...
--The "Freedom" in the barb wire IMO may suggest that the Observers keep humanity encircled....they might be leading them to reset the time line over and over...so they can't get to, or change this future
She's called Etta. I don't think it's her neice. I think it's her (and Peter's) daughter. That seems to be the general concensus, anyway (Etta being short for Henrietta, the female version of Henry, which was the name of Peter's child with Fauxlivia in Season 3).
Hmm, if they go in this direction in S5 it will be hard to do that whilst keeping up the case-of-the-week format. If they are granted a 5th Season, I wonder if they will just go all-out with the mythology and abandon the COTW altogether... They might as well, to be honest, considering the only people sticking around to watch Fringe are the people who have always stuck around and who enjoy the mythology. Especially since we're starting to realise that the COTW events are actually all related everything that is going on in the myth-arc, anyway.
Oh my gosh....can't wait! Woah at old-Broyles - but he would totally win at a stare-off even against an Observer! Poor Walter - that was quite a knock! Etta has to be Olivia and Peter's daughter...but it's interesting that she's wearing red
Darth, I just had the most explosive epiphany! I know where we're going in season 5 (God willing)! Everything makes total sense now! To know what's going to happen, you have to go back and rewatch T... *vanishes*
Clip 1 and 2, MEGA WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though FOX, why hype up an episode to this degree if the show isn't 100% coming back next year?? I really hope its not cause they are banking that decision on a giant ratings boost tomorrow night, though the hype I think will do that to a degree. Wow so clip 3 HUGE SPOILERS!!!!!Henry Ian Cusick is our "Simon" and indeed Walter has been frozen in Amber for 20 years which is why he hasn't aged.
Until half way through the season, I really thought the machine spat Peter out in a previous iteration...I almost thought the reality Olivia experienced in The Road Not Taken, might have been the season 4 timeline...but then you changed my mind into thinking the machine made something completely new(snow globe effect)....but now
after rewatching TRNT and reading more about Jessica Holt, I am back to wondering if it was a previous iteration after all...when Olivia flashes over in one part, she sees huge buildings on FIRE, she talks to an alternate [blue] Broyles about the twins, he says, why are asking me about the twins when half the city of Boston is under quarantine? -It suggest that the city was on fire for some other reason out side of Nancy Lewis and Susan Pratt...
I thought maybe that Peter's reality was put on animated suspension when he disappeared in TDWD and that Olivia basically sent herself through time to be with Peter, and used her past self as a vessel...so he could use the machine or do something that requires both of them... and that eventually Peter would reset back to the events at the beginning of "The Last Sam Weiss",(who strangely hasn't made an appearance "here"?) but the outcome would be different.....
But no matter what's going on, I feel pretty sure that the Observers keep leading humanity to 'reset', restart, alternate "back", so that they can't progress and risk changing their military state....
You know I don't think I have seen ANY screecaps, bts photos, or mentions of Olivia...and I didn't see any of Peter until last Friday's promo, and allegedly, the man in the opening sequence might represent Peter, considering that promo featured Etta speaking with him...
That's why I suspect time travel on either Etta's or Peter's part, because there has to be a reason why this time period is worth showing to viewers...it must relate to the all current and past events!
Seems kind of...um... ill advised to bank on a huge ratings boost for an arc heavy science fiction show in its 4th season. At this stage you're looking at a show with a set audience that's not going to see too much growth in audience....and that growth is usually smaller for a sci fi show.
Now that's better. The opportunity presented itself for that Peter Bishop joke and I couldn't resist. Seriously, though. I did have an epiphany last night about the direction of season 5: I think we are going to revisit Robert Bishop.I was reading an article about how they filmed two endings for the season finale, and (though I don't think the writer had any inside info) the peculiar phrasing about the second ending ("the alternate ending will set up a lingering storyline as a cliffhanger to be picked up on if the series should the series be continued."Based on what Lance Reddick said, I thought it was something just in the first season (Robert Bishop was mentioned in The Arrival, of course), but it was this different phrasing that made me think of Robert Bishop. What do you think?
100%Agree! John Mosley is really I think the biggest mystery and now with A Short Story About Love, we can assume he was trying to lock or unlock the universe...when he met Peter, he acted like he had met Robert "Too bad you never got to meet him." -implying he had...The arrival also rymes with The Bishop REVIVAL, and we don't know how hoffman came to exist, if he slowed down his aging, or if he time traveled, but in any case he too thought Peter looked like Robert...
Thats also why I think temporal cold war with many time periods is a must.
In the comic that takes place in the the future (2036-2046) there are accendants of Broyles and Astrid that look nearly identical to their 2000's counter parts, but specifically say that are their grandchildren....
But it's also possible that the characters have "slowed down their aging" --Peter joked in "August" that whatever the Observers use to stay young, they should "market", so it could be that some of the characters just have the technology to stop rapidly aging...
I'll have to rewatch Firefly on-line, as it's one of the few I did not record. All I can recall from that episode is September saying to Peter "It must be hard to be a father."
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got to say i loved these and poor walter lol
ReplyDeleteSeems like these Observers are the descendants of the Cortexiphan kids. Damn you, Bell...
ReplyDeleteIf so, that explains why the "Inner Child" felt a connection with Olivia.
ReplyDeleteAh. So much better than those teasers. And Oh, Desmond♥
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see the Fringe team start messing with the Observers.
ReplyDelete"Etta" must surely be short for Henrietta
ReplyDeleteThe Inner Child will grow up to be September. The reason he didn't turn out like those other Observers was because he received proper affection for a change.
ReplyDeleteThe Cortex-kids with their abilities gave the abilities to their far-future descendants who became the Observers; the Observers step in and create this dictatorship to stop Jones' collapsing of the universes.
I was wrong; this isn't what happens if Jones wins, this is what happens if Jones LOSES.
WOW WOW WOW ... the leader of the Observers gives me really the creeps... and AWWW Walter and food... it's gonna be soooo epic !!!
ReplyDeleteThank you soo much for the share!!!
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polivia's daughter :
ReplyDeleteSince Peter was erased from the timeline what ever happened to the girl that never caught the firefly and was killed in an accident that was mentioned by September in "Firefly?" Since Peter was erased Peter never kept that girl from catching the firefly. What happened to her?
ReplyDelete:sings: robert blew my miiind, roo-bert blew my miiind. oops, you've got some mind on you... robert blew my mind.
ReplyDeletethat would be the first thing he asks for... oh walter :-)
ReplyDeleteWowser!
ReplyDeleteI normally avoid sneek peaks, but this was too much to resist. Can't wait!
there has to be a reason why she didn't say her last name, b/c its a reveal dunham or bishop
ReplyDeleteHoly frak, that is very cool.
ReplyDeleteWhen Walter asked Etta who is she I sooo wanted to hear "I'm your granddaughter"...
ReplyDeleteI couldn't resist, had to watch them. DAYUM THIS LOOKS EPIC. And Walter asking for food ofc.
ReplyDeleteHolly shit...WOW sweet mother he is the leader isn't he!
ReplyDeletered/blue universe's will never find peace its either Walternate or Jones and now evil creepy/ Observers with powers . its either Jones merge two worlds in one and create a new one or the evil observers dictators? tough choice to be made!!
ReplyDeleteAHHHHHHHH! That last one that last one!
ReplyDeleteKarma Slingshot spooky action at a distance! TOO amazing!
(The last comic had Walter put in cryogenic chamber and they woke him in 2036...by 2046 he is in space and is using matter from the machine(s) to full the space ship!)
Amber preservation FTW!
As I have said, I believe most FRINGE cases lead to the creation of the Observers. The cortexifan is not a surprise considering they can cross universes.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=23330
If they are the descendants of the Cortexiphan kids, aren't they supposed to be in their 20's?
ReplyDeletedescendants from the future.. travel back to pivotal moment and take over..
ReplyDeleteThis is what I think happened over the next 24 years:
ReplyDelete2012: To protect themselves from destruction, the Observers kill Jones and set up a dictatorship to prevent an uprising like that from happening ever again. The rest of the Observers travel back from their future home to live here and Over There.. This is the final rewriting of the timeline (or so they think).
2012-2015: The Fringe team becomes the voice of the rebellion, with Peter and Olivia as their leaders (think Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman). They have a baby girl who they name Henrietta. The Observers attempt to crack down, but are unsuccessful.
2016: Perhaps to avoid capture, Walter amberizes himself until the proper moment. Someone suggested that Peter and Olivia gave their daughter to Nina; I agree. Peter and Olivia disappear, but are most likely killed. Fringe Division is the law enforcement arm of the Observers, with Broyles at the head.
2026: Someone (possibly Broyles, on advice from either Peter or Walter) sends the machine back millions of years.
2036: The resistance is weak; the Observers reign supreme. A murder brings Etta (now a Fringe Division agent) and Simon (an agent from the other side) together; they find Walter and release him.
That's all I can think of with the present information.
i agree except one part i think Peter is alive , i think i saw him in the first promo that played after ep18 .I think Olivia though for sure that is dead .
ReplyDeleteThis looks epic. I don't want to speculate because I'm usually wrong but I can't wait to find out what happens.
ReplyDeleteSo tempted to watch but I want to be spoiler free for this ep so I am being strong
ReplyDeleteI don't even know what to think. It seems the episode will be awesome. The aging make up is amazing.
ReplyDeleteThat scene with Peter is probably only a flashback.
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a pretty logical timeline, although knowing Fringe - our expectations and what we think is true will be completely blown out of the water by the time we've finished watching.
ReplyDeleteOnce I looked up Emma Goldman and Alexander Berkman, I began to see your point. But I wonder which Broyles this is, since one of them went to jail last ep. And Broyles is looking pretty old, but Peter looks great (must have been amberized).
ReplyDeleteOh Walter! :-D
ReplyDeleteDamn! I was expecting the amber to MELT not for Walter to go flying out! So...we have Observers who are a**holes... and older Broyles but no indication of which universe in...is there a third or is this ours gone very very wrong!
ReplyDeleteLooks awesome! This is a two parter, right? So, I'm going to have to struggle as hard as I can not to watch part one until part two airs. I'm not at all sure I can get to the end of part one without my head exploding, otherwise.
Yes... ascendants and descendants possibly at the same time...
ReplyDeleteWell it could be that many time lines have already existed prior to "THIS" 2036 and some how they have locked other possible time travelers out and made the 2036 + it's own reallity and time line---made it constant.
ReplyDeleteSo it's possible that someone got "a letter of transit" so they could go to the this 2011 past and attempt to change the future...She may have traveled to Peter to warn him and tell him what to do.....or what not to do.
We can assume the Observers are still trying to work around Peter. -That he is still a variable that they can't predict his course for some reason...
It all just comes down to Jones...I mean seemingly the reason he lives is because Peter was not there to help Walter find the plug...So do the Observers want Jones to succeed...destroy the universes and have his animal shapeshifters become the new humanity???? What would be in it for the Observers?....No time travelers any time too soon perhaps???????
What do you think of the timeline I wrote?
ReplyDeleteFor now it's a one parter, but I can't imagine that there showing us this for no reason. I feel certain that this future may have always been playing a role in regards to humanity's digress...
ReplyDeleteI think it will be important to the finale episodes, but I also think it will be the next place to go in season 5....::fingers crossed::
Letter of transit to go back in time? That's brilliant! That's probably how the episode will end,
ReplyDeletewell with a future like that either it ends with timetravel aka terminator alike scenario with Etta or someone wakes up? (dream) but perharps not. I tend more in the timetravel scenario as well and title seems to agree with me as well! but if i can recall in casablanca the letters were 2 right?
ReplyDeleteIt's one of those things that's hard to say...I mean maybe some of the characters "will be" traveling to then?
ReplyDeleteOf course it's also possible that there are other locked (<--hinted in "A Short Story About Love") time lines/time periods that are also messing with all events, even this 2036. It just depends on what "time" existed when first, verses when any branch offs could have been made.
I assume they are talking about "native" verses "unative" like Star Trek does, which implies "time(s) of origins"...
--The "Freedom" in the barb wire IMO may suggest that the Observers keep humanity encircled....they might be leading them to reset the time line over and over...so they can't get to, or change this future
I'm certain that it is Peter whose back of the head we see in the new opening sequence for episode 19 that was revealed the other day.
ReplyDeleteShe's called Etta. I don't think it's her neice. I think it's her (and Peter's) daughter.
ReplyDeleteThat seems to be the general concensus, anyway (Etta being short for Henrietta, the female version of Henry, which was the name of Peter's child with Fauxlivia in Season 3).
Hmm, if they go in this direction in S5 it will be hard to do that whilst keeping up the case-of-the-week format. If they are granted a 5th Season, I wonder if they will just go all-out with the mythology and abandon the COTW altogether... They might as well, to be honest, considering the only people sticking around to watch Fringe are the people who have always stuck around and who enjoy the mythology. Especially since we're starting to realise that the COTW events are actually all related everything that is going on in the myth-arc, anyway.
ReplyDeleteOh my gosh....can't wait! Woah at old-Broyles - but he would totally win at a stare-off even against an Observer! Poor Walter - that was quite a knock! Etta has to be Olivia and Peter's daughter...but it's interesting that she's wearing red
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ReplyDeleteIf they are granted a 5th Season, I wonder if they will just go all-out with the mythology and abandon the COTW altogether"
I sure hope so. The last thing they need to do is waste more time by telling more boring COTW stories.
Jawdropping, mindblowing.... I don't even know what to say. I'm in awe. :o
ReplyDeleteDarth, I just had the most explosive epiphany! I know where we're going in season 5 (God willing)! Everything makes total sense now! To know what's going to happen, you have to go back and rewatch T... *vanishes*
ReplyDeleteDitto! :)
ReplyDeleteClip 1 and 2, MEGA WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSeriously though FOX, why hype up an episode to this degree if the show isn't 100% coming back next year?? I really hope its not cause they are banking that decision on a giant ratings boost tomorrow night, though the hype I think will do that to a degree.
Wow so clip 3 HUGE SPOILERS!!!!!Henry Ian Cusick is our "Simon" and indeed Walter has been frozen in Amber for 20 years which is why he hasn't aged.
Until half way through the season, I really thought the machine spat Peter out in a previous iteration...I almost thought the reality Olivia experienced in The Road Not Taken, might have been the season 4 timeline...but then you changed my mind into thinking the machine made something completely new(snow globe effect)....but now
ReplyDeleteafter rewatching TRNT and reading more about Jessica Holt, I am back to wondering if it was a previous iteration after all...when Olivia flashes over in one part, she sees huge buildings on FIRE, she talks to an alternate [blue] Broyles about the twins, he says, why are asking me about the twins when half the city of Boston is under quarantine? -It suggest that the city was on fire for some other reason out side of Nancy Lewis and Susan Pratt...
I thought maybe that Peter's reality was put on animated suspension when he disappeared in TDWD and that Olivia basically sent herself through time to be with Peter, and used her past self as a vessel...so he could use the machine or do something that requires both of them... and that eventually Peter would reset back to the events at the beginning of "The Last Sam Weiss",(who strangely hasn't made an appearance "here"?) but the outcome would be different.....
But no matter what's going on, I feel pretty sure that the Observers keep leading humanity to 'reset', restart, alternate "back", so that they can't progress and risk changing their military state....
You know I don't think I have seen ANY screecaps, bts photos, or mentions of Olivia...and I didn't see any of Peter until last Friday's promo, and allegedly, the man in the opening sequence might represent Peter, considering that promo featured Etta speaking with him...
ReplyDeleteThat's why I suspect time travel on either Etta's or Peter's part, because there has to be a reason why this time period is worth showing to viewers...it must relate to the all current and past events!
Oh. You didn't get the joke. :(
ReplyDeleteI think I'm gonna love this episode.
ReplyDeleteOH, thanks. Hmmm. I'm not sure how I feel about that. :-)
ReplyDeleteSeems kind of...um... ill advised to bank on a huge ratings boost for an arc heavy science fiction show in its 4th season. At this stage you're looking at a show with a set audience that's not going to see too much growth in audience....and that growth is usually smaller for a sci fi show.
ReplyDeleteThank you! I can watch tomorrow. :-D
ReplyDeleteI suspect that around 2012/2013 (Depending on weather Season 4/5 is the last Season) Walter encases himself in Amber.
ReplyDeleteAnd I have a feeling the episode itself is going to have much more of that!
ReplyDeleteI got TDWD reference! -I just think there is actually something to it. (:
ReplyDeleteNow that's better. The opportunity presented itself for that Peter Bishop joke and I couldn't resist.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, though. I did have an epiphany last night about the direction of season 5: I think we are going to revisit Robert Bishop.I was reading an article about how they filmed two endings for the season finale, and (though I don't think the writer had any inside info) the peculiar phrasing about the second ending ("the alternate ending will set up a lingering storyline as a cliffhanger to be picked up on if the series should the series be continued."Based on what Lance Reddick said, I thought it was something just in the first season (Robert Bishop was mentioned in The Arrival, of course), but it was this different phrasing that made me think of Robert Bishop. What do you think?
OMG!!! I can't wait until tonight
ReplyDeleteConfession: one Friday when we were out of town, I ordered a strawberry milkshake with lunch with reverence to the Fringe I'd be missing that night :)
ReplyDeleteOr....Walter could have ambered Peter before he did that to himself, and Etta released him. Oh who knows. We have 11 hours to go....
ReplyDeleteIf she's Olivia's daughter, then when did Olivia die? It can't be 2012, since she hasn't even conceived yet.
ReplyDelete100%Agree! John Mosley is really I think the biggest mystery and now with A Short Story About Love, we can assume he was trying to lock or unlock the universe...when he met Peter, he acted like he had met Robert "Too bad you never got to meet him." -implying he had...The arrival also rymes with The Bishop REVIVAL, and we don't know how hoffman came to exist, if he slowed down his aging, or if he time traveled, but in any case he too thought Peter looked like Robert...
ReplyDeleteThats also why I think temporal cold war with many time periods is a must.
In the comic that takes place in the the future (2036-2046) there are accendants of Broyles and Astrid that look nearly identical to their 2000's counter parts, but specifically say that are their grandchildren....
ReplyDeleteBut it's also possible that the characters have "slowed down their aging" --Peter joked in "August" that whatever the Observers use to stay young, they should "market", so it could be that some of the characters just have the technology to stop rapidly aging...
Let's hope we get to find out in season 5.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to rewatch Firefly on-line, as it's one of the few I did not record. All I can recall from that episode is September saying to Peter "It must be hard to be a father."
ReplyDeleteYes! And he also mentions he only knows so much, that there are too many variables even for the Observers to perfectly predict 'the future'....
ReplyDeleteWill watch Firefly for sure.
ReplyDeletebeyond our imagination for sure!
ReplyDeleteI don't get this episode. I hope they aren't killing the show!!!
ReplyDeleteHey, I have a pretty vivid imagination! ;)
ReplyDeleteWait that just sounds.. wrong. lol!