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POLL : What did you think of Fringe - A Short Story About Love?

24 Mar 2012

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93 comments:

  1. Jean-François Martel24 March 2012 at 02:01

    i'm crying, that's how awesome and perfect it was!

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  2. Jen24 March 2012 at 02:03

    Thanks for confirming and showing that blockhead Peter what we've known for a while! LOVED LOVED LOVED LOVED it!!!!!!!

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  3. Ricky Terry24 March 2012 at 02:04

    Answers were Awesome, episode was great. So I voted Great, but the last few minutes were a breath of fresh air. But this brings more questions since DRJ was dead and is now alive, as well as Alt Broyles . Does the erasure of one person bring two other back from the grave? Or is DRJ really ALT DRJ, or did his molecular rejuvenation actually put humpty dumpty together again. As for Alt Broyles I suspect he's a Shapeshifter. 

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  4. Linlighthouse24 March 2012 at 02:10

    Called it, most of it. I'm surprised at the Nina/Olivia situation, and really admire Nina. That would mean, when Olivia first met Nina four years ago, she was actually meeting her adoptive mother. Then, although Olivia did not remember, did Nina? Poor Lincoln, so in love with Olivia. Lincoln, go find a nice girl.

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  5. Linlighthouse24 March 2012 at 02:13

    Well, you know how it goes. Everytime you get an answer, you only end up with more questions.. Okay, my brain is hurting now. 

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  6. Sarah!24 March 2012 at 02:15

    I knew it, I kept thinking all along with the way they kept doing these nods to things he was home all along. God what a good way to resolve that. Now. Let's let them be happy for a bit before something goes to hell again, eh?

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  7. Totallyaddicted00524 March 2012 at 02:20

    New theory: Season 4 is a precursser to season 1

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  8. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 02:21

    Ehh, I don't know what to make of that. There was nothing new revealed that the people here (DarthLocke4 especially) or Fringe Bloggers haven't already figured out months ago.

    Michael Massee was very underwhelming as the villain. I much, much preferred my theory that he'd be a king Observer who would come in to clean up the mess that September created this season. They didn't do a very good job explaining his motives and origins; like who was that woman in his picture, and what happened to his face.

    I swear to God, I almost punched my TV in whenever the camera zoomed in on Lincoln while someone was talking about love. WE KNOW LINCOLN'S IN LOVE WITH OLIVIA! STOP BEATING US OVER THE HEAD WITH IT! I am so sick of this Lincoln. He hasn't contributed anything to the lineup this season. Don't get me wrong: I love the Lincoln from Over There. My fondest wish is that he gets together with Fauxlivia. But I hope this Lincoln is killed off in the most brutal way imaginable.

    I'm happy the beacon from season one made another appearance. I didn't guess that it's a way for imprisoned Observers to escape back into this universe. September's appearance was a waste of time; instead of going on about 1985 last episode, why didn't he just say "One more thing, this IS your timeline and she's YOUR Olivia. Have a good time with all the sex (but use protection, we don't want a repeat of that last incident.)" Two seconds, and we would've had a happy ending four weeks ago.

    About the only real saving grace was more Walter and the excellent music (White Rabbit in Walter's lab, the instrumental when Carr was next to his victims, and whatever that song was when Carr was in his lab looking at that picture. Thusly, for the first time ever (and hopefully the last time ever), I voted Okay.

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  9. So Contagious24 March 2012 at 03:01

    I have been a fangirl for years, but I have no word for the noise that came out of my mouth at the end of this episode.  It was something like a high pitched "'YEE!" mixed with some sort of strangled "Woot!"  I'm not happy with everything in this episode, and damn if they didn't use the word "love" more in this episode of TV than any I've ever seen - seriously, Fringe writers, there's a record here.  Look into it - but the end result was awesome.  No more second guessing, no more Peter being completely excluded, and hopefully the end of that whole Lincoln/Olivia thing, which started out kinda cute but morphed into annoying fairly quickly.  Stick with Fauxlivia and Other!Lincoln from now on, please.  And while I was annoyed that we had to wait a month for an ending we could've had last episode, I kinda get it.  Peter had to exhaust every possibility before accepting he was really home, and that he couldn't just snap his fingers and go back to a world where everything was as it was; and Olivia needed to stop being all high on three years of intense feelings rushing back to her, and make an informed decision about those memories with a clear, rational view of the consequences.

    I mean, I don't necessarily agree that those things were necessary.  I'm just saying I kinda get why the writers decided to go that way, other than the obvious cliffhanger factor.

    Besides, the end?  Worth.  It.

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  10. M24 March 2012 at 03:05

    Mmm I liked most of the episode, especially Nina's scenes. She made me cry! I don't exactly care too much about Anson Carr, but revolving the entire episode about love was overall a good result. 

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  11. David24 March 2012 at 03:11

     I think you may be right. The writers said they would never simply start again. They said everything would come together. They said this series was like a fresh start. I think you are exactly right. So that would potentially make this seasons conclusion the start of season 1.

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  12. carson_leigh24 March 2012 at 03:38

    I don't have words for how much I love this show.

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  13. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 03:38

    Hmmm... meh.

    - After 4 years of watching Fringe I have been more uncertain than certain, but one certainty is if Walter put something in front of me and said "Smell" I most certainly would not! XD
    (Likewise this rule applies to him saying "Taste" to me also....)

    Very, very underwhelmed by Michael Masse. Bummer!
    After all the hype it was a huge disappointment to find him a rather boring case of the week. Worse yet he was nothing more than a tool to emphasize Peter and Olivia's love and we never got his back story or got invested in his character for him to mean anything. It all felt very contrived and unorganic to me.
    The whole thing of "Love" being the reason Peter came back, Peter being home, the Beacon being a giant cylon-suppository-shaped trail of bread crumbs allowing September to find his way back... all things we already knew or suspected. I guess it is nice to get some official word that those theories are correct, but I think many of us knew that already. 
    I guess the pay off of the kiss meant very little to me since I knew it would be happening at some point and it was very cliche to boot.

    I did like Peter being steered to an Observer safe house! So they do have more than one suit! Well at least they have 3 hats! XDFinding the Observer briefcase was a fun thing too, but I would have preferred more time spent on that than the case of the week since I found it so dull and heavy-handed in its reinforcing the Peter/ Olivia love story.

    Overall this was a very mediocre episode that was probably needed in some way I guess, but I think they could have done it much, MUCH better than this. They established many things I suspected, but in very bland ways that left me unimpressed with the episode. 

    I voted it "Okay" if for no other reason they needed to establish those facts and I'm glad they did so we can move on finally.

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  14. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 03:42

    I agree on almost everything. One of my least favorite Fringe episodes

    If not for establishing a few facts we already basically knew this would have been basically a wasted episode to me. At least we can move on now....

    Hopefully to better episodes! XD.

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  15. Desola Kazeem24 March 2012 at 03:45

    I disagree (I loved it)
    I think Michael Masse was one of the best Fringe guest stars ever, if not the best. Also, we always knew this episode was going to be all about love, it wasn't really meant to be a secret. I think they handled it well

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  16. michel murillo24 March 2012 at 03:50

    Awesome LOVED it!

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  17. Dan Kempner24 March 2012 at 03:52

    What a fantastic hour of television!

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  18. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 03:54

    I did know going in it was going to be about love... of course.

    However, I was shocked at how heavy-handed and contrived it felt to me. I rarely would ever use those terms to describe a Fringe episode.

    It's good you and a few others liked it and Masse's performance..... Different strokes and all that.

    I was completely unmoved by the case of the week and literally could not have cared less about his character. No motivation, no backstory and that left me uninterested. Ironically unmoved by the episode about passionate love....

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  19. ShatteredOne24 March 2012 at 04:08

    Damn it!  I was grinning like an idiot at the end.  So glad the Observer finally told us that Peter is home, that this is his world.  Gah, I love this show, one of the best on TV, definitely best sci-fi drama out there (sorry Walking Dead).  But I know come tomorrow I'll be sad by the ratings, but who cares.  If Lost taught me anything its to enjoy the ride.

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  20. Ricky Terry24 March 2012 at 04:46

    Now we know to blame Wyman for all the sappy and contrived things of Fringe, since this was his episode. This has me yearning for a Pinkner episode now because something tells me he is the science and Mythology nerd of the duo.

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  21. Mutsie24 March 2012 at 04:56

    I already knew that Peter was in the correct verse all a long ... So 10 points for moi *YAY*
    +
    The data on left catched my eyes when Peter was "looking through September's binocular" ...


    ♥

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  22. Historical_Materialist24 March 2012 at 05:14

    Very good hour of television.  Very satisfying.  Although I can't say it was very surprising.  This episode confirmed what many already knew and the fact that the producers said that shippers would be satisfied and that answers were coming pretty much makes this episode one of the worst kept secrets in TV history.  The best thing about the episode was Anna's very nuanced and at the same time agonizing portrayal of Olivia.  Especially when Lincoln tripped on Peter's things in the lab and Walter revealed that he stopped Peter from going to New York; Olivia's look of hope and despair was spot on.

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  23. mbale47324 March 2012 at 05:19

    I love Fringe!  Where the hell is Charlie?

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  24. Dor Fiderer24 March 2012 at 07:39

    I didn't like this episode as well. I hoped I would see here comments like yours. After this episode I just wanted to say to the writers that the combination of the most gruesome case-of-the-week ever on Fringe with a silly plot "progressing" of this boring love story and the WTF'ed relation between the observer and Peter WILL NOT BRING HIGHER RATINGS. I know it's tempting, but don't do that again!

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  25. Leliforever24 March 2012 at 07:47

    I have to make only 2 complains ...
    1)Would it kill you,Fox people,if the last scene was 5 secons longer?Seriously?It's been like 15 episodes that we've been waiting for this!

    2)Lincoln,you have my permission to get the hell out of there.Seriously now,they are trying to convience us that he fell for her by having a cup of coffee with her and an "almost" date?COME ON!!!!!
    Everytime his "in love" face was on the screen I was screaming "Really????"

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  26. lorepottter24 March 2012 at 07:58

    So, it this is home, if this Peter's timeline, that means evil Walternate? that means blue entrance!!

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  27. Adam D. Harris24 March 2012 at 09:05

    I voted great rather than awesome. It was a little too lovey at points, and I didn't like the Nina scenes at all. To be honest, I've found all Nina scenes this season to be really poor, bring back the more mysterious woman from the first three seasons whom I liked.

    Michael Massee was great, loved his creepiness despite the fact he didn't really have a lot to do, and what he did wasn't the most fascinating storyline.

    I'd expected much more than this, but the "beacon" part was interesting, and loved seeing Peter walking with the device and the suitcase. I was kinda hoping for Observer Peter for a while, so maybenow he has their tools we will get it.

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  28. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 09:43

    The Peter scenes were definitely the  best part of the episode. Even if September's visit was none too shocking, Peter taking the "day in the life" of an Observer tour was fun! 

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  29. prpleight24 March 2012 at 09:52

    Well, I don't know what to say.  I was bored by the case of the week.   My attention kept wandering whenever someone other than Peter was on screen.  But the little glimpses fo the theme (every time Lincoln looked at Olivia I just felt so badly for him)  began to pull me in...unfortunately that wasn't until the last act.  Peter following September's trail was what kept me glued to the screen.  

    I was gonna call the ep a wash.....And then they gave us a present!  They gave us a present!  They just flat out said it!

    Sadly, I've been so scarred by TV shows that even after September said it...I didn't trust it.  When Olivia got out of the car, saw Peter and headed across the street...I fulley expected them to nail us with a hit and run.  Carrot---PSYCH!  

    But they didn't!  THEY GAVE US A PRESENT!!!   I did the dance of joy.(I did have the scary (for me) thought that this ep should have aired during Valentine's week.  :-D )

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  30. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 09:58

    Q-U-I-L-L

    I assume it's a clue to the beast next week...

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  31. Lou24 March 2012 at 09:59

    "I have a theory"

    The Observer visits SpoilerTV I know it, who is going to admit to being him?

    I know everyone will be all about the Peter and Olivia but damn the Olivia/Nina scenes were my favourite. That kind of love is just as important. I am kind of sad if Olivia forgets their relationship completely.

    "Beaver Hunting"

    Another fine Walter line strikes again

    I feel so bad for Lincoln, his poor face when the woman was telling Olivia about her marriage.  Please let him find happiness!

    Overall this episode was great but not expectional, I think its because of all the hype about it being this big love story we all kind of knew they would kiss at the end and that really the whole Peter being home already thing had to be the only answer.

    I am looking forward to see how the rest of the season will play out now that Peter is definitely home

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  32. phnxgrl24 March 2012 at 10:10

    I was so blown away by September's reappearance. I loved the conversation between him and Peter. I had suspected he was in the right timeline as Olivia was regaining what was lost to her. This confirmed that idea.  I loved the idea was love which prevented him from fading away completely. I loved how Olivia was so happy seen Peter standing waiting for her. So what happens next?

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  33. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 10:14

    A little "egg" you may not have noticed to reinforce how important the kind of love between Nina and Olivia is....

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  34. Penny Laine24 March 2012 at 10:21

    I think you might be right... but how do we go from season 4 to the events of season 1?

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  35. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 10:32

    I really like that theory in concept. 
    If the writers could have pulled off "loop" cycle. It would be awesome to watch from any point in a season and watch every episode through and have the series end where it started. Of course it was not set up that way in the beginning so it won't happen, but I like the idea! XDI'm not sure that the theory has legs though... I think all the callbacks to Season 1-3 episodes illustrate that we are well past or beyond the beginning of Season 1. Plus with Olivia having memories of events from the first seasons it means they have already happened. I'm not sure how we could be back at the beginning without erasing everyone's memories again. I don't see them doing that...

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  36. Aydrian24 March 2012 at 10:36

    I've been reading all comments in here and I spent the majority of it facepalming.

    I agree with everyone's right to an opinion, but some of these in here make me want to drink. The episode is called "A Short Story About Love"! Pretty much every promo pertaining to this episode has been about love! Almost every tiny bit of information about this episode screamed "LOVE". And yet, people are complaining that it was primarily about love? That love was mentioned a lot? That it was kinda cheesy with the love stuff?

    I don't know about you guys, but when the title itself tells me it's going to be a story about love, I expect the episode to revolve around it somehow! Not a single thing in here was unexpected or in any way unforeseeable, but people were SURPRISED?!

    Nevermind...I think I'm going to have that drink now.

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  37. Adam D. Harris24 March 2012 at 10:44

    Not sure how the beacon has anything to do with the one we saw in S1 though... I didn't see any Observers popping out the top of them then :P

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  38. Smortime24 March 2012 at 11:52

    I think people are confused about what the observer said. I don't think it changes anything about alt broils or DRJ, it just clarifies that the last 3 seasons and everything up to them happened, then Peter was erased, and the timeline was rewritten - not a new timeline created - but Peter returned because of the bond with Olivia et al. And because it's the same timeline, Olivia has simply remembered everything that did actually happen. Likely because of her abilities, and a bit of added cortexiphan. Be interesting to see whether she has the memories of the future, like Peter does, or just the memories up to Peter being erased, although I assume the latter.

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  39. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 11:52

    "A Short Story About Love".

    Well, even though for all intended purposes Peter is with "his" Olivia and where he's suppose to be, I found it strange that September really didn't try to explain it...I hope we get a little bit more of an explanation as to what kind of universe this is, verses what was intended.

    But the bigger news: Observers don't seem to die, they just get locked out of certain universes! ---Which goes back to what I am saying about all of this...was Peter suppose to be locked out of certain "Olivia" pertaining/relative universes, but their LOVE defied it all?!

    And the beacon can do great great things---and might be a key to suggesting that there are more universes that might become important, universes/realities/time periods that Peter, Olivia, and Walter are locked out of...and this may begin what was going on with John Mosley (The Arrival)...I keep thinking that there is a temporal cold war going on this whole time...and John attempt to get the beacon was trying to get somewhere/when specific...or trying to bring another locked out Observer back? 

    On another note, Anson Carr was a creepy villain and his methods were absolutely disturbing. His distorted face reminded me of both John Scott and season one version of David Robert Jones!

    I have to say I felt really bad for Lincoln Lee...I hope one of them can be with the red Olivia at least.

    At the end of the episode I got all teary eyed. It was nice to see P and O together again!

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  40. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:04

    Ya I was a little disappointed in the lack of explanation of what was intended, verses what happened, but If I remember correctly, I think I read we are suppose to continue to understand over the course of next few episodes...the "Locked Out" idea is something I think is important to think about in terms of the "the bigger picture" ---If people are "locked out" too, then there may be more realities that are of value and relative to our time line(s)...and/or maybe that Temporal Cold War is actually going on...and Mosley was trying to get somewhere....or bring someone back?!

    I think if Olivia was still out there, that Peter and Olivia brought themselves to each other by changing this time line's Olivia to become his. Also when Olivia asks him, he said he would think of something, and we have yet to of seen Walter not come up with something.

    I think it is fair to say that sometimes it just takes one person to make a kind of difference...David Robert Jones seems to live, because Peter wasn't there to help Walter remember where the "plug" to the portal was....but additionally you make a good point about his rejuvination, but since we don't know what Robert Jones "could" have eventually done, the writers are at liberty to show us that.

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  41. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:05

    That was my original thought, until I talked to you! LOL! But Now I don't know!

    This Time Has Been Here The Whole Time:
    http://www.spoilertv.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=103&t=23276 

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  42. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:16

    I think they said it would take a few episodes to know what's going on, but for all intended purposes we have to accept that Peter (and Olivia) had made it so they could be together again.

    But I would have liked a better explanation in terms of what was suppose to happen verses what did happen, but maybe what I thought before about this being a previous iteration is still plaussible, maybe Peter just go "locked out" of his universe, but their love brought Olivia to him...I just wonder if there are consequences for that? 

    But on another note "the locked out" aspect is kind of neat, because it implies that maybe there are more kinds of universes that our important to "us", and maybe FRINGE story is going to be about "unlocking them" all?!

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  43. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:19

    LOL! I like the episode, but I think it was over advertised. --I think in a way it's not as much as a resolver, as much as it might be the begging of a game changer...

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  44. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:22

    I think he is, because he (and Olivia) made it that way...I think what ever's going on here is a little tricky. I think there's both truth and falseness to what September had to say. For whatever reason he is with Peter and Olivia, but we know more certainly that September is on bad terms with the other Observers, since they have the power to lock themselves out of universes---which that idea alone widen's the scope, because it may be that the Observers have "limited" our characters and what they "could" do...

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  45. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:26

    God I hope Lincoln Lee doesn't leave....The Transformation is when John Scott leaves Olivia's conscience and the truth about his involvement in the NSA (?) revealed., as Olivia takes down Conrad Moreau----which connect by name to 2026 time line, and the End of Dayer terrorist, Moreau, who was working under Walternate....(and of course "Moreau" is a nod to The Island of Dr. Moreau!)

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  46. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 12:32

    They are telling us they are transportation devises! --That there are even more universes out there, and that Observers and who knows who else can get "locked out" of them....John Mosley might have been trying to get some-when else....Ever since Mosley and the prequel comic series, I have thought that there might be a temporal war going on...This episode def makes me think more so!

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  47. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 13:28

    Exactly. Call me Voldemort, but I didn't feel the love either.

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  48. mrflamethunder24 March 2012 at 13:30

    Sometimes when an episode was over advertised, we tend to have too high expectations as well. May not be okay for loyal fans, but definitely good to lure the casual watchers.

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  49. mrflamethunder24 March 2012 at 13:36

    Weak COTW. But at least Peter's home is confirmed.
    Now it's time to save the universes with our beloved trio, please.

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  50. laura334124 March 2012 at 14:15

    There were some parts to this episode,but truth be told i was a liitle disappointed,I thought there should have been more the story,i wish the Observer and Peter talked more peter could have learned alot....

    At least Peter knows he is with the right Olivia, and that they both love each other!
     
    Now onto next weeks episode,looks like a doozy! harking back to s1.

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  51. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 14:33

    A bit on the cheesy side for me... It had whiffs of Lost finale, for me.

    Also, is Nina a goody again?  Maybe I'm a bit rusty after the hiatus, but wasn't she helping DRJ last episode?

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  52. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 15:05

    I wonder if they are more than just homing beacons or lamp posts if you will..... I wonder if they are also data miners collecting date from each universe and timeline they pass through.

    I have no supporting evidence, but the Observers are scientists and a device of that nature just seems to fit their MO to me.

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  53. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 15:18

    There are two of them (confirmed at WonderCon) that they are each actual dopplegangers and not shapeshifter(s)...."Means" as Blair Brown cleverly describes the 'other side' version of this iteration's Nina, is a very desperate lost soul, because she never had William Bell in her life...

    Really William Bell, Nina, and Walter parallel/mirror Lincoln Lee, Olivia, and Peter...there are axioms here that are crazy, suggesting the differences any one person can make in our lives, but also retaining a sense of fate and or relativity to these universes as the roles shift and continue to be explored.

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  54. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 15:25

    Interesting....
    I did not think both Ninas were dopplegangers.I knew Mean-a was a doppleganger and working with DRJ, but I thought the second Nina was the real deal.

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  55. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 15:41

    Even if we look at the first people, the calander, the frequency found at "the number stations" for Peter to be able to take the machine parts back in SEVERAL time periods and leave the "frequency Palse" on , all plays IMO to the Observers and time line/time period they come/came from...

    And most likely I would think that the beacons like [Peter's] Machine(s) may be multi-faceted and probably also collecting data and relying 'back home' some-when else....

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  56. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 15:44

    I mean respectively to each other....I could be my other's duoble and she could be my double (both are true, because both are people--it just depends on what perspective "we" choose to see the Nina's as.) ...they are both real Nina's from there respected sides.

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  57. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 15:44

    I noticed the Lost vibes too, and I absolutely hated it. Shifting the focus from the central mysteries and character development to a crappy, cheese-filled (and not in a good way) "love is the key" romance will be the death of this show. It killed Lost.

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  58. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 15:49

    I gotcha...

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  59. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 15:55

    I have been against the "love pulled Peter back" theory simply because I hate its very concept. I always felt it was the most likely scenario as this season progressed, but it just feels like such a cop out to me.

    If it is left as that I can accept it, but I won't like it much. I just hope they don't use "love" to sidestep other complicated and more science based solutions!

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  60. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 15:59

    I disagree, because Bad Robot's shows are dramas in disguise, and because the 815-ers were lost/distracted with former and new relationships and didn't SEEK to exploit the Island, with the exception of John Locke (hence MIB's choice of attempting to steal his identity) --the ending was perfect, because it reflected that Jacob's final candidates, although lost, were good choices, especially then, Hugo and why they were the one's who deserved to have a much better life in their next iteration, in which they could "move on" from having direct contact with the Island and NEW life (David) was created as a reward for facing "death".

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  61. Ricky Terry24 March 2012 at 15:59

    "
    Not a single thing in here was unexpected or in any way unforeseeable, but people were SURPRISED?!"     

    I think that was the issue. We as Fringe fans want unforeseeable, and we expect the unexpected. Especially when the episode is directed and written by one of the two showrunners.  To me this shows how out of touch Wyman is with the fandom. Don't get me wrong, I am glad Peter and Olivia are back to where they should be in their relationship, but it felt like a slow pull of the band-aid. This should have been ripped off episodes ago. The case of the week was well... weak. To get an actor like Michael Masse and to not give him really anything to do or even any lines to speak of is a waste really. I mean they could have gotten any schmo to read and remember 5 lines and act creepy with make-up on. The lack of reasoning of why this guy was doing what he was doing was stunning. I realize that the COTW was an allegory to the story of the main characters, but come on a little more exposition would have sufficed. As far as the big reveal: Most of us who visit sites like STV on a fairly regular basis had already figured out that this was most probably the same timeline as the blue, but the way that September sort of just said it was like; Why didn't he spit it out in the last episode, Instead of having Peter want to run away and then eventually get to the address he put in his eye. why not just tell Peter while he's swimming around in his mind? I'll tell you why; because all the Fringe showrunners want to do is throw plot devices our way. It is like they are trying to glamour us into missing that they are not technically the best of writers. Plot Devices and misdirections are fine in measured amounts, but to leave us hanging for four weeks then come back and deal with that cliffhanger in a 1 minute 30 second conversation is stupid. It is as stupid as August dying to make that chick important. You see the writers and showrunners are trying to make their story better by using clever (not so much) tricks to make it more important than it is when they could be focusing on some of the missteps they made in episodes past, and make a more coherent plot. To go back to my original complaint, I want something original, unheard of, unimaginable, unforeseeable, and unexpected....Not Contrived. 

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  62. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 16:07

    The problem with the final season of Lost was the flashsideways timeline (seems like timelines are a recurring theme in Bad Robot productions). It was completely random, made absolutely no sense, and was unnecessary. There was no need for another place for the 815-ers to work out the problems in their life; THAT'S WHAT THE ISLAND WAS FOR! 
    And I still think MIB should've been able to leave the island...

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  63. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 16:14

    Damn straight. The ultimate problem with the episode was it could've easily been tacked onto The End Of All Things. We don't have time for this kind of shit anymore, not with the ratings situation as it stands. We need to move forward EVERY. SINGLE. EPISODE.

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  64. DarqueMode24 March 2012 at 16:26

    I agree!
    This entire COTW was completely unneeded and both a waste of time and a brilliant actor. Peter's trip to September's safe house was fun, but did not amount to anything that could not have been done in the last episode too.

    It would have been so much more effective if Peter realized he was home after the last chat with September and then went over to Olivia's and kissed her.

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  65. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 16:53

    "See you in another life brotha" and what the smoke monster is = conscience/memory/black body radition + Life death and rebirth (humanities "heart"/love/belief in itself) = reincarnation = multiple universe via loops and branch offs.

    Lost like most BR LOST works was about life extension on EVERY plane...but the characters on Lost, unlike Fringe were unaware and didn't initially care about the Island and what it might mean to them.

    IMo the fs is the plane between Corporeal existences, and thus showed the up and coming future, but not until they remebered and let go of the past...

    IMO watching Fringe is like watching LOST but from the perspective of the DI, instead of the unaware crash survivors (and some)....these characters are looking for answers while also intentionally trying to save themselves.

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  66. maxime boudrias24 March 2012 at 19:41

    Finally!

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  67. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 20:13

    That's kind of what Sons and Daughters did: 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_and_Daughters_(Australian_TV_series)

    Damn, I was 4 when that ended, yet I remember that happening... cool.

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  68. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 20:27

    I was totally spoiler free, so wasn't expecting anything more or less than any other week, yet I was still a tad disappointed, so maybe it really was just not a great ep.  Oh well, they can't all be awesome.

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  69. DonnaSueK24 March 2012 at 20:46

    Was wonderful n amazing!  Glad Peter finally realized he was home all along (like WE didn't already know that from the first of the season)!  
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    Just wish they would have let them finish that kiss- too quick n short!  

    Loved how Sept "came" back for Peter ....... I think Sept has a bit of a soft spot for our LoveBirds & Walter!  

    Again:  WONDERFUL & AMAZING

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  70. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 21:10

    The thing I've said many times about Lost and why I think the flash-sideways was a cop-out, is this:  The FS is like a miniature version of the Island.  I firmly beleive that whent he show was being conceived, it was the Island was intended to be Purgatory.  Unfortunately for Damon, this was too obvious, and was practically EVERYBODY's first guess after about two episodes, and since then, anyone who mentioned purgatory was laughed out of the room and ridiculed by anyone else who knows anything about Lost.

    Anyway, after JJ jumped ship, Damon was left to wriggle out of it.  But, it is well known that JJ had already written the Ending, and I'm guessing he said to Damon "Do what the hell you want, just keep my ending."

    The writers since stated many many times 'the island is real, not purgatory'. So there was really only one way for Damon (and Carlton) to do this.  They had to re-create purgatory elsewhere, off-island, and they chose to do ths by fooling us into thinking it was a seperate timeline.

    That is why I felt the finale (and the whole of season 6), was a cop-out.  Don't get me wrong, it was still great television, but after they banged on and on about how the island is NOT purgatory, they still managed to weave purgatory into the mix, while not technically having lied to us, because the Island was of course real.  And all this so that they could keep JJ's rubbish church ending.

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  71. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 21:36

    I'm slightly uncomfortable with the fact that this current S4 universe is supposedly 'home' (not to mention the fact that Peter was actually born in the alternate 'verse, but let's not let that complicate matters).  If this is 'home', then that kind of makes the events of S1-3 somewhat irrelevent.  Smortime says below, that the timeline was merely rewritten, rather than being a new timeline.  That's a BIT better, but I still feel as though this set of characters is somehow different from the set of characters we've been with over the previous 3 seasons.

    I do however have a solution as to how we can retrieve S1-3 while keeping S4 relevent.  What if Peter's return to this same, blue (albeit rewritten) timeline, triggered a kind of reversal of that rewriting, so things are slowly resetting to the way they were before.  What is happening to Olivia will happen to everyone (maybe Olivia is more aware of it because of her gifts, whereas everybody else is unaware it is happening), and this universe will gradually melt into the old S1-3 universe without any of the characters even noticing.  For example.  Anyone seen Charlie recently?  At some point in the past few weeks he has vanished from the S4 version of the timeline, and his existence has merged into his S1-3 existence (where he is six feet under the ground in some cemetary), and nobody seems to have battered an eyelid, because to them, he is dead.

    Of course, if Charlie turns up next episode, that will be the end of that little theory, but I like to ponder these things. Haha.

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  72. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 21:39

    I understand how you feel, but if we look past any said word for 'another plane of existence', whether we call it purgatory, limbo, an astral plane, a divine plane and look to MULTI-philosophical concepts, as conveyed by the church window, then we have potential to argue what and after life is...and there for what death is. Season 6 laid the eastern philosophy thicker than other seasons, which suggest reincarnation is the bigger picture, despite only seeing "glimpses" of it (Desmond recieved memory transference of all the ways Charlie Pace had "already" died in other life times, which didn't prevent his death, but did change the circumstances and specific meaning to his death which gives the dynamics of the groups an oppurtinity to shift and give the cycle variation---other wise we can't have "progress" (movement).

    I am not saying that they didn't ever lead us on, or that there were times they went astray, but I think things only make sense that we see that we didn't exactly know, because our main characters didn't exactly know...That the Island preserves memory (memory and history is what humanity is) and the smoke monster was just one facet to what memory is --a recorded existence of ourselves, a reflection of what once was and what could be, but also one can argue that the physical plane(s) "act" the emotional aspect out and thus is reflected from the transition upon death to rebirth

    The FS is a separate timeline -an Innate one that isn't corporeal (or it doesn't have the same set of laws of physics...which ever way one wants to chalk something that isn't considered corporeal). But watching Fringe should make a lot of people re-asses LOST, because Fringe makes you more point blank ask ourselves what reality is, what a time line is, and what an alternate reality is, and most of his shows ask what identity is...and it always comes down to choices, experiences, beliefs, and MEMORY in conjunction to some bigger axiom such as multiple related universes...

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  73. DarthLocke424 March 2012 at 22:00

    I'm also bothered it, but I think maybe there is still a possibly that there are multiple things going on....

    One of Peter's better lines in the series is "If you can dream a better world, you can make a better world"...

    Perhaps he was "locked out" of his time line, and he got spat out in this one, whether it was a pre-existing iteration, or a new one made by the machine...If this would be true, then maybe his Olivia was/is looking for him and their love is SO strong that it caused them to "be together" again, and like Lincoln had suggested, their Olivia, was lost to the emergence of his Olivia's memories transferred onto her....

    But for whatever reason Peter can't go back there (yet, if ever)...So September may not be completely truthful, because this is only the truth for right now....We know he is at odds with the other Observers...to point that they locked him out of this time line...he might be supporting Peter because he needs Peter for something and maybe Peter is safer "here" right now.....or totally not and we just have to learn to live this :p

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  74. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 22:01

    I bow to you Mr. Darth.  That is a beautitul response to what is really my only real gripe with Lost.  Most people just call me gay and accuse me of not "getting it", which just makes me angry.

    I do think it is still a bit of a retroactive philosophy, but that's not to take away from the things you've said.  I'm going to ponder these things when I start my Lost rewatch over the summer.

    Thanks man.

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  75. WeAreLostBeth24 March 2012 at 22:22

    i had the same thought when O asked Nina to make sure not to give up on her if/when she forgot their life together..  the interconnections are just.. wow! 

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  76. WeAreLostBeth24 March 2012 at 22:24

    i kind of laughed my ass off and had to pause it when Walter says (in the background) that his waffle iron is broken..  I thought this episode was really really great so i voted awesome.  i'm still collecting thoughts about it all.. the ending has me grinning like a fool, even still today. 

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  77. WeAreLostBeth24 March 2012 at 22:26

     starting next week.. we are revisiting a season one 'monster'...i think if they took this route then we would see more familiarity than we already spot.. more, wait didn't that already happen moments.. 

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  78. WeAreLostBeth24 March 2012 at 22:35

     "when Lincoln tripped on Peter's things in the lab and Walter revealed
    that he stopped Peter from going to New York; Olivia's look of hope and
    despair was spot on." I got goosebumps at this scene and seriously almost stood up to give Olivia a hug!    there were lots of little looks like that..  like her catching Linc looking at her.. Anna did a superb job!

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  79. RobertAriadne24 March 2012 at 22:51

    Darth is a woman.

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  80. Ieva Brown24 March 2012 at 22:55

     My thoughts exactly. Just couldn't help but feel that the Observer wasn't completely honest. Something just feels wrong. I did enjoy the episode, though. Here's hoping for Season 5 :)

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  81. Stupot81524 March 2012 at 22:59

    Oops... awwkwaarrd...
    Duly corrected :-D

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  82. neon_ruby24 March 2012 at 23:39

    Thought it was brilliant. Loved all the depictions of love - Peter and Olivia, mother and daughter with Nina and Liv, unrequited with Lincoln and father/son with Walter (and others) pulling Peter back to the world. I feel so sad that we may lose the Nina/Liv relationship but I'm thrilled that P&O are back together. Hopefully we can get the best of both worlds. Now we just need that Walter and Peter relationship back.
    Can't wait to see where we go now that we know Peter is in the right place but things are so different around him.

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  83. sergo sergo24 March 2012 at 23:57

    Episode 4.15 In January 2010 calendar? Strange. Porcupine?
    1919 + 91 = 2010  Episode 4.10  

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  84. lordbradiii25 March 2012 at 03:39

    OK sure, Peter was told that this Olivia is "his" Olivia....but what about everyone else? She remembers, yeah, but none of them do. Nothing has changed except for Olivia. So is he REALLY home or not? I voted OK. I never vote OK. But I was severely disappointed by this episode.

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  85. prpleight25 March 2012 at 05:35

    One thing that I noticed...about Welcome to Westfield, that it's happening to Walter as well.  He's not regaining memories in the same way that Olivia is, but his personality began swinging back to the way it used to be.  So I think he really is home and that his presence is having an effect on everyone around him; who cared about him.    I think, because he reappeared in the timeline where he was erased that the events will remain the way they were when he reappeared.  But I have not clue as to why Olivia is the only one who "remembers"...unless it's tied to Westfield.  Maybe Fauxlivia was *in* Westfield at the same time (I don't remember that detail right now.

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  86. Aeryn9725 March 2012 at 07:04

    I voted OK. I left the episode with the feeling that nothing happened....

    The case of the week was weak. I didn't feel for the victims, wasn't intrigued by the villain...what happened to him? What did he want to achieve? What prompt him to do what he did? How can he smell love? I didn't feel any connection with the case whatsoever...the villain seemed underdeveloped, heck I don't even remember his name being mentioned in the episode... 

    Peter is at home? Well, when I sometimes had doubts, I was overall pretty much convinced of it since the beginning. No surprise there. Love brought him back? Well suspected it also...As opposed to some I'm OK with that notion...it echoes what was already stated in 6B - the notion that love can destroys barriers.

    This episode felt like a set up episode to me...and I hope it was indeed. That would somewhat explain why the case and Peter and Olivia's reunion ended abruptly...

    Otherwise I liked the last Olivia-Nina scene. It was a moving one. Olivia willing to let go of the previous relationships and experiences she built up over the years and Nina realising that for all instance and purposes she'll loose 'her daughter'....

    And yayy September is alive...for that I'm very glad :D 

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  87. lordbradiii25 March 2012 at 14:29

    I would support that theory as well. I don't necessarily like it, but short of Peter literally getting zapped back to the *original* original timeline, that would probably be the next best solution.

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  88. DarthLocke425 March 2012 at 14:37

    No worries! It's all good! My discussion name is a little misleading...

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  89. Penny Laine25 March 2012 at 23:19

    right, there would have to be another reset. like in white tulip, if peter kept getting in the machine and kept being erased. which is kind of what walter explains to peter in the day we died, right? they've done that before, so it could happen again.

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  90. Shaakira Abdul Samad26 March 2012 at 11:28

    Love it , love it! And renew woot woot!

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  91. DarthLocke426 March 2012 at 14:47

    There's def an element of truth to that too! I think Peter's re-emergence suggests how heavy his influence is,.but at the same time this is a pretty crazy way to go about erasing a mistake (Henry)...and clearly more people are going to get hurt to pay the price (blue Lincoln Lee).

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  92. Bruce_F26 March 2012 at 20:49

    I guess there are more than a few viewers who have come down negatively on this episode, pointing out that it was predictable and hackneyed.  Under different circumstances, I may have agreed with those people but I can't.

    Why?

    Because Fringe had the massive balls to pull off a "beaver hunt" joke.  I saw the punchline coming a mile away and it was STILL hilarious, thanks to John Noble's delivery.  There's no way I can badmouth this episode now.

    God bless Fringe.

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  93. Lemonworld28 March 2012 at 21:46

    Uh, can't believe they used "love" as the reason why Peter wasn't fully erased. If that's not the most cliché answer to the riddle, I don't know what is. Fringe, you're better than this. 

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