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11 Feb 2012

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108 comments:

  1. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:02

    So that last part was awesome! my theory is that timelines were merging, and not universes.  

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  2. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:03

    LOVED the callback to Johari Window.

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  3. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:04

    Me too! I didn't think that episode was very important but they made it fit into the mythology!

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  4. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:05

    My head! My eyes! I didn't think it was possible but I think I've found my new favourite episode!

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  5. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:19

    Also, it managed to work in themes from 6B, Jacksonville, and Os. Absolutely brilliant episode.

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  6. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:24

     Yup! The pace, the character development, the 'surprises', the call backs to other great episodes/moments...this is my all time favorite episode as well. (So far...) ;)

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  7. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:24

    I'm still in shock, my jaw is on the floor and my legs are shaking. Enough said

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  8. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:32

    Wow! That was indeed awesome! Somehow I just knew Peter was in his own timeline, but everyone had else had changed. Now we're learning how that happened. And that end. Peter: "Olivia!"

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  9. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:35

    What was from os?? I got the rest can't remember os

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  10. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:36

    (Copied from my comment on Fringe Bloggers)
    Also, Olivia remembering the original timeline didn’t surprise me at all. This has always been the universe we watched for three seasons; it’s just a rewritten timeline. That was the prevailing theory up until And Those We Left Behind, when Peter stated his belief that this was another universe entirely. 

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  11. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 03:42

    Os was the episode last season about a team of thieves who were able to defy gravity. I didn't much care for the episode, but the way the laws of physics were crumbling in this episode reminded me of it. Here's a recap, if you're interested: 
    http://www.fringepedia.net/wiki/Os

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  12. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:05

    Really, awesome is all you can come up with? This was epicness x 10!!!!!!
    Can't wait for next week.

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  13. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:25

    Yes!  All good things come to those who wait!  Definitely my favorite episode of the season!  

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  14. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:31

    I thought it was really good, the case was pretty compelling, and the callbacks to a couple of the older episodes were great. 

    I think that's been the biggest cliffhanger of the season so far....

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  15. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:47

    Simply amazing! the case, PO scenes, the end twist, 'mind blowing' justified! 

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  16. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:53

    BOOM.. Awesome Episode!!! MAN!!! 'Til now it is my favorite S4 Fringe Epi!!!
    ♥

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  17. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 04:53

    Ok, so they open the door to the high school, and I'm like "Oh Sh*t it's a dang leviathan!" 

    XD

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  18. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 05:19

    Yeah, that's sort've what I was expecting as well. The life without Peter gets an injection of Peter, and its effects gradually take hold.

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  19. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 05:31

    This episode was like BOOM and BOOM and BOOM and kajsskjhcsjkcnjkn. Perfect.

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  20. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 05:39

    Finally. Soon into the episode I felt my theory validated. I was just waiting for Olivia to get memories from her original timeline.

    Gotta say, I know a lot of people are lukewarm on the season and have been missing the original versions of the characters. But I think it shows how brave the show is. To spend so much time exploring this world. Most shows would have this be at best a 2 part episode. Never would they dare to spend what's already been more than half a season.

    Anyway, thumbs up. The wait paid off.

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  21. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 06:55

    Excuse me whilst I pick my jaw off the floor and collect the pieces of my mind that was blown across the room...... a fantastic episode!

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  22. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 07:01

    I think we've hit it people! I think we're finally back in the Fringe groove. Sure we went through a bit of a dry spell, things were hard for a while(lame pun intended) I think we're finally back!

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  23. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 07:24

    This series....has continually blown my mind. It actually never occurred to me that maybe Peter WAS in his timeline, but that his absence had a ripple effect that is only now just beginning to bounce back from. Wonderful, just wonderful. God I love this show. It's so FREAKIN' SMART! I will definitely be buying all of the series when it eventually (prays - WAY in the future) ends. This is some of the best and smartest TV on the tube. Ranks (for me) up there with X-Files and Farscape, but without the nauseating mythology of XF that bored me within minutes. The mythology of Fringe is infinitely more interesting. Not to knock XF, since I am a Phile, but I just find it more interesting. And I completely did not see that ending coming. Holy crap, I can't wait til next week!!!!!

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  24. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 07:25

    .... I wonder now what caused the reason the Olive-change/Switch...
    ♥

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  25. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 07:43

    Nothing is merging, Peter is in the right place! This is his timeline, the observers made clear the he was purged from it and that's why they couldn't remember him, because he never existed.

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  26. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 07:57

    OMG!
    it is my favorite Season 4 episode!!!!!!!!!
    Olivia remember Peter..............

    The ending, I did not see that one coming!!!!!
    Kind of awkward for Peter

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  27. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:10

    EPIC!EPIC!EPIC!

    I only have one main complain though...WHY THE HELL did we have to wait for Peter to "never exist" to find out how he truly feels about Olivia,or to know their habits,or to watch amazing opening scenes like this???Seriously....

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  28. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:24

    It was fantastic! He is in the right place and now both walter and olivia will start to remember him.  how hard will that be for them. and poor peter wont know what to do.

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  29. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:44

    Enjoy any happiness for Peter/ Olivia while you can!

    If there is one thing we know.... Bad Robot does not let couples be happy for very long! XD

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  30. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:46

    Definitely a multiple viewing episode!

    First time you're taking it in for story mostly, but the FX kept distracting me! XD
    Next time I will watch it for VFX appreciation.... and then for detail observation.....

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  31. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:48

    We need another option for the poll- More that Awesome!!!!

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  32. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 08:50

    The phrase I kept mumbling at the tv through the first half hour or so was...  "that's not good"

    Great episode.  After the teaser I started to think that this was how Peter would realize that he's in his own timeline.  (It would all be easier if September would just pop in and tell everyone. :-)  I think what's happening with Walter is the same thing that's happening to Olivia...something kind of like Peter's presence is resetting things for them?

    At least that's what I was convincing myself of until the promo.

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  33. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 09:43

    Mind offically blown!! This show just keeps getting better.  But I can't help but think there is a big twist coming up that'll completely tuen everything around again.

    Is there a table where we can see how each episode polled? There used to be.  I have to think this ep is up there for the series let alone S4.

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  34. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 11:04

    Why do you say that?
    No matter what I woke up with the biggest smile on my face today screaming AMEN!

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  35. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 11:19

    http://home.surewest.net/timothyellis/manly%20tears.jpg

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  36. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 11:37

    All the timelines are merging and Amber Olivia is hearing Blue Olivia thoughts and dreams.

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  37. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 12:15

    Truly amazing, as always.  Great plotline, connected well with DRJ, Olivia/Walter warming to Peter and memories bleeding through the timelines.  How are people not watching this show?

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  38. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 12:25

    I don't agree. I mean not that I would die if they weren't together but see Alias...Anyway this is indeed Pinkner and Wyman show and they made it clear more than once that Peter/Olivia is in their plans.

    About the episode, wonderful...This is a confirmation of what I always thought and maybe now people are more confident about where the story is going.

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  39. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:15

    Before i put my 2 cents in,can someone please tell me what the hell was injected into Olivia's neck? I have my own theories but i'm not sure if was addressed yet or not.

    Last night i kept muttering holy shit,from the opening scene(what a great scene,great color),to the closing scene.Gotta stop,need another look c.

    Did everyone watch the promo?Olivia is back to the storage units from season one,WHAT THE HELL??

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  40. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:36

    Ya I think we know why last one was mostly in the Walter lab now

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  41. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:38

    I didn't really care for the case that much, but the bookends scenes alone made this episode awesome :)

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  42. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:47

     Yeah,that promo blew my mind,where back to where it all began,or are we?They love turning everything upside down and inside out! I'll be replaying the episode and promo till next Friday,lol.!

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  43. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:50

    Yeah I know. "Olivia, in all universes, you have to die."-----Observer.

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  44. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:55

    I'm rewatching season one now, and so far I've seen the first six and the next is when we meet Mr. Jones. Trying to get a better grasp of what's happening.

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  45. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 13:56

    Yes, when Olivia hugged Peter and tried to kiss him? OMG! The look on Peter's face!

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  46. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:09

     Funny,i watched season 1 over the Fringe overly long break aside from the xmas break,and i going to do it again.My brain doesn't want to wrap itself around the promo,ha!

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  47. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:32

     Thank you!! I also thought that injection was to kick start her memories.Whew!

    Now i need to finish what you wrote!

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  48. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:41

    Yeah exactly.

    Just because the Peter and Olivia love story is integral to the overarching story does not mean it ends well for either of them......

    It seems one is doomed to die no matter the timeline alterations....

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  49. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:55

    Loved it too. It blended so well I didn't even expected it.

    P.S Johari Window is one of my favorite stand-alone.

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  50. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:57

    I def like the idea of a bridge between iterations! XD

    I also think this transference of Olivia's memory might also be to Peter's advantage, because he might not be able to go "home" with out his "crowbar"!

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  51. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 14:59

    I disagree. I still think Peter needs to go home, that he might actually be hurting this time line with his presence "here"....but Olivia's memories are remincent of what happned to ours before---a memory transference via syrum....but this way Peter can have a crowbar if this Olivia can tap into the other's Olivia's abilities, via memory transference and cortexifan booster shots.

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  52. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:05

     Yeah but Peter didn't seem to take any pleasure out of the kiss Olivia planted on him.If anything not only did it through him for a loop it confused him.The look also seemed to suggest he would never dream of going their with her. I guess after the first screw up with the Alt-Olivia,Peter wouldn't even consider going their again!    :P

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  53. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:08

    This episode was really cool and kind of gross when the people started merging not sure what what worse the women with two sets of teeth or the double face man Peter kicked of the bus!

    Clearly what Nina has been doing secretly to Olivia is taking hold now but the question remains why? And more than ever is this really a different universe or not?

    Now I was firmly on the Peter needs to get back to his own verse train and I liked how they were teasing this Olivia with Lincoln but now that seems to be abandoned completely.  

    I'm more confused than ever but that is just how I like it!

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  54. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:16

    I'm glad you're here; there are several things we should talk about:

    I think the reason Jones experimented in Westfield was, his ultimate goal is fusing the universes together (something like Peter attempted when he entered the Machine), but he needs to test that energy source that he stole in Enemy Of My Enemy (can't remember the name). Nina is really playing against Jones; and she's trying to reawaken Olivia's Cortexiphan powers to battle against him (similar to what Jones did in the original timeline). Nina isn't entirely good, but in this case, she knows about the timelines and that Peter really existed; and trying to help.

    Also, I may have an idea about who the Big Bad character introduced in 4.15 (played by Michael Massee) is. He may be the king Observer; or (to borrow a term from a movie that explores Observer-like beings, The Adjustment Bureau) the Chairman. We know that there's something of a hierarchy, since September (at least) answers to December. The role calls for a lot of make-up, an Observer would fit the bill. The only thing is, in the description, the Big Bad is just that: a Big Bad. Unless the Observers are really evil and the only good one is September. Maybe...

    Oh, and one last thing, about Alcatraz (since you brought it up): I don't think they're going down the parallel universe path again, at least not while Fringe is still on. I think the returnees are actually clones. Doctors must've moved the prisoners to a different facility, and used the blood that they took to make clones. If Lucy dies, they'll make a clone out of her; and Dr. Beauregard is a clone. What do you think?

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  55. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:37

    Really LOVE your idea about "A King Observer" --It plays well into the unknown 'Jacob or MIB' aspect to them....what side, to who's benafit do they reside? Really really cool idea though!!!! I hope you are right! 

    I am torn about Jones' and Nina's knowledge of Peter...I have speculated that perhaps they have some version of "the prophecy" too---and if so, they may see Peter as a threat. --Nina seems to come heavy on the scene during Peter's arrival, and then we see that the shapeshifter's try to kill him and September intervenes....I don't know if they know Peter is from another timeline or not? --But that possibility would be a game changer in that the writers could open a much bigger box--such as a temporal cold war! (<---Somethings I though was already going on during "The Arrival" with the beacon and John Mosely)

    As for Alcatraz I don't think alternate timeline will be made front and center, but time travel or even suspended animation could create an alternate time line, because alternates are based on comparitive existences.

    If we look at say "White Tulip" you see how things in one iteration can be transferred to another iteration, create an alternate, but have the origins to why those things are there become lost, except to the time traveler...those events in white tulip is a type of casualty loop---casualty loops explain multple timelines/multiple iterations of timelines....they were first made aware in pop culture in Star Trek (NG and E)...Star Trek gets referenced in almost every BD work (especially time travel-alternate reality relating works)...and Ray ARCHER's name along with the up coming PAXTON Petty in conjunction to a cast member in the star trek sequel makes me think we could see multi timelines--but perhaps like LOST, and unlike Fringe, not in a very direct way. And it would still be different because we seem to be focusing on different time periods and not time that's "dately" paralleled, but there could be casualty loops occurring. 

    I am leaning towards a multi-method with the Alcatraz inmate...Cryogenics is one method, but Jack Sylvane's arrival makes me think there could be more than one method applied...but 'the history repeating itself aspect is still there...Any time you take a variable and put in a place where it didn't you have potential to create something "new" or "alternate" depending on what existed before...

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  56. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:46

    My thought exactly. He might have been thinking, "Oh, no. This is happening again with a THIRD Olivia?"

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  57. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:50

    I agree with you and have to think that part of this experience relates to proving himself to his Olivia still somehow...that although LSD he proves he knows her now, this might also test his perspective on that notion...especially since all of Olivias deaths may rely on Peter to save them, and thus "his" universes...

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  58. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 15:51

     Right! Ha,damn i love this show! Watch Olivia falls for Peter,with dreams like that who wouldn't fall for him,fall...hard too!

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  59. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:00

    I missed Lincoln, TBH, though the episode was really good

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  60. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:01

    Ya! I really think that the comic was meant to hint at that...so I feel pretty strong about a "cortexifan booster shot" in conjunction to Peter's energy playing role.

    It's interesting too because an "Astral Peter" appears to help our Olivia start her journey home in the beginning of season 3...and now this Olivia is becoming 'like' our Olivia to maybe help Peter get home!

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  61. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:04

    I don't think going home is abandoned, but that he needs 'his' Olivia to get home, like Olivia needed 'Peter' to get home (season 3)....I am not sure to what end this plays out for Sharp and Jones...but whatever it is I can't help to think it's leading to something much bigger!

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  62. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:06

    Maybe John Mosley will play into the rest of the season. If Peter, Olivia and the rest of the Fringe team have to go to war against the king Observer, that beacon September sent in season 1 might make a reappearance. We haven't heard the last of it, I'm sure.
    Another thing that may come into play regarding the Observers: the person that invents them. Here's a copy of a comment I made over at Fringe Bloggers: "I think Henry still has a part to play in all this: maybe in another timeline (the one that September screwed up by distracting Walternate) he invents the Observers." Henry is too important a character to just be a MacGuffin. He'll make another appearance; probably as the person who created the Observers in a distant timeline (later than 2026) to prevent the eventual destruction of the universes (similar to the Isaac Asimov novel, The End Of Eternity; TV Overmind wrote an article about it last year: http://www.tvovermind.com/fringe/role-observers/45260).

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  63. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:12

    It would be nice to see Henry play some role at some point even a small one....or even Trevor (in another alternate timeline in the comic [blue] Olivia and Peter have a brianiac son who can see the future...)

    So many time does BD not let the future generation have a mager role (Lost and Alias) --so it would be nice for them to change that here!

    Thanks for the link! (:

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  64. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:13

     I haven't thought about this being our timeline because of Peter,but what if this is or could it even be? The injection Nina gave Olivia to kick start her memories,made me think this is the right timeline,just altered a bit because of Peter.Then seeing the promo for next week,well that nearly sent me over the edge...seeing those storage units from season one i was half expecting a shot to ring out as it was fading to black..

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  65. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:14

    I loved the whole episode - my favorite one of S4 so far.
    Looks to me like the Amberverse is really the Blueverse with an altered timeline and not a new universe.
    But hey it's Fringe - you never know the facts for sure :D
    So thrilled how this story continues... D: Can't wait for the next episode >_>

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  66. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:18

    I checked that link and it's a bad one. If you go to TV Overmind and type in "the end of eternity", the one I'm talking about is the January 21th 2011 article by Sarah Clarke-Stuart. Sorry about the inconvenience.

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  67. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:19

     Yep just how they like to serve it.Upside down and inside out..and i side of sideways,ha!

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  68. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:21

     they getting their old memories back. yeah!

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  69. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:28

     They always played Nina's part close to the vest.Sure,there is Walter,Bell and Massive Dynamic,but they haven't shown the bigger picture,where she fits into the scheme of things.Except for finding out in the beginning of this season that she raised Olivia,then the injection two episodes ago (i think) that is really all we saw....What is she hiding?And why,and when will it be known?So.so.so many questions! My brain has officially turned to mush,lol...  :) 

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  70. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 16:35

    Ahh yes I never thought of it in that way.  I have no idea what their agenda is either but at least with Jones I don't imagine any good coming from it.

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  71. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 17:04

    Just watched it twice. Its definitely in my top 3 episodes of all time.. best of season 4 without a doubt
    and the glyphs spell out Olive hmmm I wonder what that could mean

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  72. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 17:51

    Also, that injection was given just as Olivia was about to start a relationship with Lincoln. Lincoln got stood up in the coffee shop as Olivia lay on the floor post-injection. Good thing, because a relationship with Lincoln would really have complicated things.

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  73. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 17:52

    AMAZING!! loved everythign about it!! peter and olivia, walter and peter, the town, it was soo good!!!!

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  74. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:01

    Thanks for that info! I'm not a glyph reader, so I appreciate interpretations. All I can think of is, "Olive" was at one time a hint to a code--I think in Reciprocity? when Blue Olivia was trying to get into Red Olivia's mind.

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  75. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:05

     That's right the migraines,and meeting Lincoln in the coffee shop,i forgot.I guess Nina was keeping tabs on Olivia all along.

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  76. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:16

    Really? Everybody's totally blown away by this episode. Eeven though I don't care for Peter & Oliv as a couple except for the ending which was related to the myth-arc, this one didn't do much for me.

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  77. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:21

    For Peter to be able to pysically materialize "here", a "here" has to ALREADY exist...the idea that he is from a future iteration traveled back to past iteration explains the ripple effects and time distortions of the "here" timleline. He challenging a fate of a history that has already played out.

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  78. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:23

    Thanks I was just coming back to read it!

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  79. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:24

     I must of missed the glyphs,weird, i didn't move once during the episode.I'm definitely going to watch again!

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  80. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:26

    Well we know she was conspiring with Jones as she is seen typing on the other end of the type writer...but even still, thinking about our Jones and Newton, who knows if the tables are going to turn against her with these new shapeshifters...I think it's anyone's best guess of what could happen with any of those involved with the shapeshifters...let alone what the heck ever is going to happen with the Observers in regards to Peter....So many things up in the air!

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  81. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:42

     Yes! Oh this is going to be something if it does turn out that in fact he is home in his timeline...this is wild!

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  82. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:48

     There really are so many things up in the air,different variables,timelines,i missed a few things on yesterdays show,i didn't move but i never saw the glyphs,did you? I wanted to watch it again anyway,so i'll do it a little later.

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  83. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 18:55

    agreed with amusing funny hehe!

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  84. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:06

     Okay,i got what your saying,i need to digest some of this.I feel like i've been all over the map in terms of my thinking process concerning last night episode...You have given me quite a bit to think about! :)

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  85. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:07

    it was cortexiphan

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  86. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:21

    I thought it was the same timeline until Peter showed up. Once that happened, I was sure he had bled through to a third/fourth universe.

    I guess Peter's breakfast dream was a pretty big hint. I did wonder if the town having an effect on electricity also had an effect on electrical activity in the human brain. That would explain Olivia having all of her memories back. Peter being an obvious wrinkle in that idea.

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  87. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:27

    What did still hold out was if September has a bigger plan. Given what we've seen(last week's episode, in particular), I can't wait to see where that part of the current storyline goes.

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  88. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:38

     I was wondering about the effects on the brain too,could be but injection obviously took awhile to take affect.Could be a combo of both?

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  89. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 19:49

     Yes,got it..I don't know why i thought she was giving her something else?...Maybe i could use a shot myself.lol....Thanks for getting back to me!

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  90. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 20:30

    What a fantastic episode! I absolutely loved it! Walter&Peter are finally closer and Olivia remembered Peter! Finally!
    The only bad thing is that they still haven't figure out the part about Peter being in the right place, and that he's erased from time, not moved into another timeline. It would make things much easier;)

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  91. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 21:36

    The first time (in 6:02 A.M EST), no. But after he went in and came out (in The Day We Died, just after he disappeared), there were a ton of them.

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  92. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 21:39

    I loved this episode, I love small freaky towns and this episode was just great. Though it would have been even better if Olivia would have gone crazy too. It wasn't really explained though why Olivia's arm was shaking and why she was feeling dizzy and all. 

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  93. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 21:57

    It could be! --Pinkner and Wyman have said that the machines may consider what Peter FEELS (and thus he chose BALANCE - this is how a bridge in his timeline was made) --but besides the physicality of making that choice, it might also relate to his own emotional state or his own previous emotional beliefs (dilema?) Peter told Olivia that his favorite book was "If You See the Buddha on the Road. Kill Him!" --the philosophy presented in this type of ZEN Buddhism is about taking nothing for face value. Peter tells Olivia he can't rely on another person's word for truth. He has to "experience it for himself"....

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  94. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 21:59

    It could be but, I have paralleled Peter to Desmond for a while and I think he is meant to prove himself, save other people, and return to his Olivia.

    Only time will tell :p.

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  95. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 22:02

    I am not sure if we know "WHEN" those Observers appear at the end of "The Day We Died"....it seems like they were standing outside of liberty Island of our timeline, but it is possible that they were standing outside of this timeline's liberty Island too.

    The Observers IMO because of the multiple ways they can experience time, don't tend to respond as though they were addressing different time lines or time periods..So I think their assessment throws us all for a loop!

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  96. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 23:42

    Absolutely crazy theory and kind of supported by the general theme this season that "nothing is what it seems," and the notion that the bad guys are actually misunderstood...

    What if by some bizarre circumstance, Nina and Massive Dynamic are somehow aware of the timeline change - maybe even through September, and everything she is orchestrating is an effort to repair the damage. Whether or not Jones is aware of this fact is unknown but my guess is that in the event this is true - he would merely be a pawn for Nina.

    The simple fact of the matter is that for both universes to be saved, Peter HAS to have existed, the entire show is based on an over-arching timeloop that has to complete itself.

    If my theory is correct - Nina giving Olivia the cortexiphan injections is in by no means meant to damage or hinder her - it's meant to open her eyes and mind to a life she doesn't realise she lived. It's enabling her to look at things from outside of the confines of reality, much like an observer in a sense.

    The shapeshifters part in all of this would be the big question mark, but if true I imagine in Nina's eyes - the deaths of a few individuals would be well worth the restoration of the true timeline. If the true timeline was to reassert itself - these people would have never died and Jones wouldn't have been around to create a new breed of shapeshifter.

    The one thing I hope doesn't happen is that once (and if) the true timeline does adjust itself - the past half a season isn't completely forgotten, as most of the cases of late have been a result of Peter not exisiting or his sudden reapearrance.

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  97. DarkUFO11 February 2012 at 23:46

    But they do get to be with each other in the end...it just takes a whileXD

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  98. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 03:40

     I can agree with what you say, because it also makes sense. But if I remember correctly that's what the observers said, in fact I think I can quote September: "he's (Peter) bleeding through" and I think he meant his timeline... All I know for sure is that the show is moving forward into a place where I believe we can all enjoy, and hopefully it'll get renewed for a fifth season, otherwise I'll definitely be heartbroken...

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  99. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 12:54

    i really, really loved this one

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  100. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 13:49

     Welcome to Spoiler,and all of us Fringe Fanatics!   :)

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  101. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 15:52

    "The one thing I hope doesn't happen is that once (and if) the true timeline does adjust itself - the past half a season isn't completely forgotten, as most of the cases of late have been a result of Peter not exisiting or his sudden reapearrance." 

    Look at it this way; Whether or not They remember it Peter will, so it will have happened.

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  102. DarkUFO12 February 2012 at 16:21

     it looked that way, but I am sure it's the same as other episode... A little more maybe... Great use of VFX

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  103. DarkUFO13 February 2012 at 15:06

    I kind of feel like it would defeat the purpose of Peter if he can't get home. I think he is a character whom deserves to be with the "one" he loves, and to be at the "places" he loves. Don't get me wrong. I def think there could be convergences, but I am hoping it's not the final conclusion. I think it would be sad if the only way for Peter to exist and save any universe is by completely disfiguring them. 

    I feel there is no "true" timeline. Only ones that have been written (already played out aka season 4 timeline), and the one which is still in progress. I am all for Reciprocity and  temporal time war, but I don't think Peter should have to loose everything he loves (as it is) in order to only have part of what he once had.

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  104. DarkUFO13 February 2012 at 19:47

    A rock solid episode.
     - Olivia's condition supports my idea that this isn't an alternate reality, it's an altered reality.  It was always the same universe, but was changed by Peter's absence.  The drugs that Nina is giving Olivia are allowing her to remember her experiences from the defunct reality.
     - The dream sequence in the cold open was one hell of a way to start the show.
     - I love how Peter's influence is so rapidly changing Walter's behavior.  It was so noticeable that Olivia relied on Peter to get through to Walter just like in the other reality.
     - Olivia's curiosity about Peter's life was nice to see.  Their conversations are often the highlights of these episodes.

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  105. DarkUFO14 February 2012 at 01:37

    What we watched season 1-3 was one (wacked out) version of the timeline, what we're seeing now is another (wacked out) version where Peter took himself out emotionally and by virtue of the Observers, physically as well. The logical conclusion is that Perter will save this version of (amber)Olivia from Mr X,  it'll turn out that (Green or [amber+blue])Olivia and (red) Peter together are at the center of universal creation, and that they both need to be on the same wavelink no matter the timeline. for "their" particular set of universes to be perfect.

    What does green and blue make?  (stream of thought)

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  106. DarkUFO14 February 2012 at 09:33

    So here we are -   Mind blown!  Amazed!  Confused!  Brilliant!  Genius! This show really doesn´t stop FASCINATING! SCIFI  at its Best! And those Relationships I don´t really know how to put it in words all the feelings I have! All that created by genius writers and producers and genius cast! These actors - the best cast EVER! So they managed - and I really don´t believe that I´m saying that - to get me FINALLY invested in Amber versions of OUR beloved characters ( I just can´t believe That - amazing job!) - at this point and after the last episode I felt so sorry for Newwalter that he is probably going to loose his son for the third time when Peter really goes home and I felt so sorry for Newlivia because having the momories of Our Olivia she will also be demaged!!! And now can Peter seeing this Other versions of his beloved people becoming just like his beloved Olivia and Walter really leave them behind just like that....?, it will break Newlivias and Newwalters hearts, my brain will explode....:)Maybe this is true that Peter is home already - it seems almost so! The Observers said the timeline has been rewritten, and than Peter Bishop is back! So I think in the current situation there is no other way the timelines must merge somehow for Peter to find his home - and it has already started -In the last scene Newlivia acted completely like our Beloved Olivia, like nothing really happend - I think Peters presence is slowly causing timeline rest to what we had in 1-3 seasons! So while happy that we are probably going to become our beloved chracters to some degree back I´m afraid that at first Peter is going to reject Newlivia because of the bad expierience with Faux in our timeline beeing fooled and not recognising the real Olivia and It will be very painful to watch - only to find out that this is truly HIS Olivia! So I can´t wait to find out how all this is gonna to play out! This is Fringe so you never know:)
    THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL AND AMAZING SHOW!!!!!

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  107. Carolina Daza León14 February 2012 at 22:04

    I agree about the "We are in our timeline" This season is not about alternative universe but "What if"... What if Peter never exited?? And now with his presence he is "fixing" that modification, I think. LOL there are so much theories, its SO FUN!!! 

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  108. Gregorius17 February 2012 at 08:54

    Very nice episode

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