loved it as usual.. it's a surprises-packed episode & will certainly leave you stunned.. I know I did!
I liked how Carter brought in some new dynamic .. I felt bad about the apparent glitch in Reese & Finch's relationship but I guess without that we won't know anything..
overall, it was really great episode when it comes to character development..
Not as perfect as last week's, but still fantastic. I love learning more about Finch's past and whatever happened to Ingram. I love the subtle couple moments between Reese and Finch. This time, Reese complaining about his boss was hilarious.
Not sold at all with this Carter on the team business....
I think the show worked better with Carter trying to find Finch and Reese and/ or stop them than it does with her trying to help Team Machine. Taraji is a great actress, but I don't think her chemistry with Reese is nearly as good as the chemistry between Finch and Reese.
Eventually Carter has to take a step back and decide if she can keep ignoring all the laws being broken by Reese.As a "by the book" cop who has military experience this "any means necessary" pattern of Team Machine simply must be too much for her take since it goes against everything she is and stands for.
I respect and enjoy that Reese's injuries have carried over for the two episodes so far. It's tiresome seeing characters get shot and be fine in the next episode like on most series. Kudos PTB.
Also nice to have some more back story on Finch or more specifically his old partner Ingram via his son. I would like some more direct info on Finch and his marvelous Machine, but any back story is okay by me.
I loved the jab at Finch asking if his tailor moved out of town! XD I love the idea of a scanner on a shredder! XD
I wonder if Finch was aware Reese was watching him as he met with Ingram's son or has Fusco watching him? Finch was aware of Reese's looking into him in the pilot after all....
Overall this was a good episode for me, but no where near awesome. The pacing is off with Reese working with Carter and the chemistry is just not as good together. I can see there needs to be a few episodes like this to advance certain plot point though. I hope it is the rare exception and not the rule.
Really enjoyed. Loved Carter (somewhat) on the team, even though it felt a bit choppy in the flow having Reese essentially being a phone operator at times. But really liked and kudos to the writers for keeping the continuity that Reese is still healing from his wounds and for the enjoyable snarky humor throughout the ep. Got a kick that Reese enjoys the idea of keeping Fusco and Carter in the dark about each other although it seems that they might find out about each other probably by accident and there might be fallout from that. I do like that they gave us a bt more backstory with Finch's ex-partner's son and his curious discovery... uh oh. Can't wait to see where they take this plotline.
Finch started to pay attention to the numbers which the gov't deemed to be irrelevant when he learned after the fact that his partner's number came up. I think that is what Reese discovered in that article on the dead of the Billionaire.
I think you are right about their needing to advance a plot point. It seems to me the show needs a bigger adversary than these cases of the week, or even people chasing Reese. Perhaps it is Reese and Finch now expanding that team and this becomes relevant when that bigger threat shows up, because it definitely seems like 'regular' cases are too easy
I would love that, but a bigger scale bad guy would likely mean more serialization and the producers have made it clear they want to stay mostly a procedural.... sadly!
We do have the start of 2 potential "bigger" bad guys and one bigger story for the future at least. The dirty CIA agents or the group behind them that trained Reese, Enrico Colantoni's brilliant Elias character, and then of course what happened to Ingram?
I'm enjoying the weekly cases for now, but I get tired of that format after 15 - 25 episodes usually. I would love it if they went for the bigger baddies, deeper plots and longer more detailed overarching stories... I just won;t hold my breath I guess....
Off topic: Did you figure out what it was that bothered you about the Sherlock finale yet? I watched and replied to one of your comments on the finale poll page. No one big thing bothered me, but the unsatisfactory ending did leave a bit of a sour taste with me. It just felt like Sherlock did not earn a win so much as won by default. It felt hollow. That combined with Sherlock basically playing against his friends (even if it was to save them) made the ending very conflicting for me.
Not heartbreaking like some mentioned, not really bittersweet either, but something was definitely unsatisfactory about it.
As for POI, I agree. Sometimes I forget the show is on CBS. I should look for patterns of serializations as provided by NCIS (which means occasionally connecting two, three episodes, usually at the end of the season)
As for off topic:
I read your impression, and I needed another viewing, and I can basically agree, something about this victory felt unearned. To clarify my impression, I had to watch Scandal in Belgravia again. Actually, what felt wrong is that the climax of the first episode, Belgravia, was everything this wasn't. That plot was so intelligently devised, and Sherlock still came away with a victory (solution) organically in a way that left his respect for the opponent intact, but us viewers feeling his triumph. On the other hand, it's like there weren't enough of Moriarty's and Sherlock's interaction for certain things to happen in their final encounter. It seems totally off character that he would kill himself (unless he staged it with a fake gun and blood pack as someone suggested it) now that he realized he finally found his match, and that Sherlock was not ordinary - in fact he would be even more determined to go on. I am aware original Moriarty died in the fall, but it is one thing to get killed as a result of a direct struggle. It seemed like the writers wanted to show how Sherlock beat him by essentially recognizing that shooters could be called off and thus trapping Moriarty, whereas Moriarty thought that by cutting that route off for Sherlock he was killing him as well. The death of one meant the death of the other. So, it is like chess match where both kings were to be sacrificed, but Sherlock found a way to stay alive. How, we will see. Nevertheless, his triumph over Moriarty didn't feel complete, I think, because no ingenious, or substantial enough scheme preceded it. Now, it was great that M staged Sherlock's downfall, or that he had his friends in sight, but all that lacked something that would tie it in and induce the same reaction I felt at the end of Belgravia or The Great Game. Or perhaps it is just that they did Moriarty character so well, I am disappointed he won't continue battling wits with Sherlock (though we shall see)
Loved it. It's looking like Finch's partner didn't betray him. (or at least I'm hoping that's the case) I'm really glad. It sounds like Finch has never been one to trust easily (or at all?) if, not even his best friend's son knows he's a software engineer. I'm looking forward to finding out more about what happened. Was Finch hurt when his partner was killed?
I think he already knows, I mean detective Fiasco (I mean Fusco, or do I?) isn't that great at his job... I think he should be following the kid and not Finch at any rate
"Legacy"Well this one was a bit more of standalone, but the little bit of arc we did get was well worth it!Nathan Ingram has a son, whom happens to be the same actor who stared in Abrams' and Reeves' "Cloverfield", Michael Stahl-David...For those whom may not of seen the "cam-corder-recorded N.Y.C. Monster flick, "Cloverfield" tells the story of Rob Hawkins whom was going to take a job in Japan, and the night of his going away party, a monster comes a shore and reeks havoc on New York City! One of his friends records the events (and so the film is shown from the perspective of one using a camera), as Rob decides to go find his friend and unrequited love, Beth, who has been trapped in her apartment underneath rubble! --The end of the film makes point that their video became under the property of the U.S. Government (there is also a Dharma Logo!), as from a prequel comic we learn there is conspiracy of Japan's "SLUSHO" company, who creates these monsters! (Slusho has made appearances in Alias, Cloverfield, and Fringe)The parallel being is that Ingram's son is surely starting to uncover a mystery/conspiracy surrounded by both his father, and Uncle Harold...I also REALLY enjoyed the whole Carter working with Reese aspect and that Fusco didn't know what Carter was up to, but then the reveal that Reese has sent Fusco to tail after Finch! :D--That's pretty complicated plot, but it's a good one!
I kind of like the Carter business, because there is this uncertainty that just because 'someone' is "on the team" today, doesn't mean their "on the team" tomorrow! :D
I think the Carter and Reese work together is a good thing, more because Reese don't reveal to Lionel the information, so he have two detectives work in two differents lines. I think this could be a good deal. Another stuff is the introduction of Ingram son, this will be a problem for Finch.
Even though I figured out in the middle of the episode who was behind it, it was still a good episode and I like were they are taking Finch's backstory.
Now I guess both Finch and Reese have their own separate problems. Reese has the CIA and Finch has his ex partner's kid looking into evidence that may lead to the machine.
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loved it as usual.. it's a surprises-packed episode & will certainly leave you stunned.. I know I did!
ReplyDeleteI liked how Carter brought in some new dynamic .. I felt bad about the apparent glitch in Reese & Finch's relationship but I guess without that we won't know anything..
overall, it was really great episode when it comes to character development..
Wonderful to see Carter on the team. Now how long before Finch realizes Reese is having him followed?
ReplyDeleteNot as perfect as last week's, but still fantastic. I love learning more about Finch's past and whatever happened to Ingram. I love the subtle couple moments between Reese and Finch. This time, Reese complaining about his boss was hilarious.
ReplyDeleteNot sold at all with this Carter on the team business....
ReplyDeleteI think the show worked better with Carter trying to find Finch and Reese and/ or stop them than it does with her trying to help Team Machine. Taraji is a great actress, but I don't think her chemistry with Reese is nearly as good as the chemistry between Finch and Reese.
Eventually Carter has to take a step back and decide if she can keep ignoring all the laws being broken by Reese.As a "by the book" cop who has military experience this "any means necessary" pattern of Team Machine simply must be too much for her take since it goes against everything she is and stands for.
I respect and enjoy that Reese's injuries have carried over for the two episodes so far. It's tiresome seeing characters get shot and be fine in the next episode like on most series. Kudos PTB.
Also nice to have some more back story on Finch or more specifically his old partner Ingram via his son. I would like some more direct info on Finch and his marvelous Machine, but any back story is okay by me.
I loved the jab at Finch asking if his tailor moved out of town! XD
I love the idea of a scanner on a shredder! XD
I wonder if Finch was aware Reese was watching him as he met with Ingram's son or has Fusco watching him? Finch was aware of Reese's looking into him in the pilot after all....
Overall this was a good episode for me, but no where near awesome.
The pacing is off with Reese working with Carter and the chemistry is just not as good together. I can see there needs to be a few episodes like this to advance certain plot point though. I hope it is the rare exception and not the rule.
That was the best part of the episode!
ReplyDeleteWatching Reese take jabs at Finch as he listened in and giggled! XD XD XD
I'm wondering that too... if he does not already know!
ReplyDeleteReally enjoyed. Loved Carter (somewhat) on the team, even though it felt a bit choppy in the flow having Reese essentially being a phone operator at times. But really liked and kudos to the writers for keeping the continuity that Reese is still healing from his wounds and for the enjoyable snarky humor throughout the ep. Got a kick that Reese enjoys the idea of keeping Fusco and Carter in the dark about each other although it seems that they might find out about each other probably by accident and there might be fallout from that. I do like that they gave us a bt more backstory with Finch's ex-partner's son and his curious discovery... uh oh. Can't wait to see where they take this plotline.
ReplyDeleteFinch started to pay attention to the numbers which the gov't deemed to be irrelevant when he learned after the fact that his partner's number came up. I think that is what Reese discovered in that article on the dead of the Billionaire.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely awsome episode, like how the back story is developing.
ReplyDeleteI think you are right about their needing to advance a plot point. It seems to me the show needs a bigger adversary than these cases of the week, or even people chasing Reese. Perhaps it is Reese and Finch now expanding that team and this becomes relevant when that bigger threat shows up, because it definitely seems like 'regular' cases are too easy
ReplyDeleteI would love that, but a bigger scale bad guy would likely mean more serialization and the producers have made it clear they want to stay mostly a procedural.... sadly!
ReplyDeleteWe do have the start of 2 potential "bigger" bad guys and one bigger story for the future at least. The dirty CIA agents or the group behind them that trained Reese, Enrico Colantoni's brilliant Elias character, and then of course what happened to Ingram?
I'm enjoying the weekly cases for now, but I get tired of that format after 15 - 25 episodes usually. I would love it if they went for the bigger baddies, deeper plots and longer more detailed overarching stories... I just won;t hold my breath I guess....
Off topic:
Did you figure out what it was that bothered you about the Sherlock finale yet? I watched and replied to one of your comments on the finale poll page. No one big thing bothered me, but the unsatisfactory ending did leave a bit of a sour taste with me. It just felt like Sherlock did not earn a win so much as won by default. It felt hollow. That combined with Sherlock basically playing against his friends (even if it was to save them) made the ending very conflicting for me.
Not heartbreaking like some mentioned, not really bittersweet either, but something was definitely unsatisfactory about it.
As for POI, I agree. Sometimes I forget the show is on CBS. I should look for patterns of serializations as provided by NCIS (which means occasionally connecting two, three episodes, usually at the end of the season)
ReplyDeleteAs for off topic:
I read your impression, and I needed another viewing, and I can basically agree, something about this victory felt unearned. To clarify my impression, I had to watch Scandal in Belgravia again. Actually, what felt wrong is that the climax of the first episode, Belgravia, was everything this wasn't. That plot was so intelligently devised, and Sherlock still came away with a victory (solution) organically in a way that left his respect for the opponent intact, but us viewers feeling his triumph. On the other hand, it's like there weren't enough of Moriarty's and Sherlock's interaction for certain things to happen in their final encounter. It seems totally off character that he would kill himself (unless he staged it with a fake gun and blood pack as someone suggested it) now that he realized he finally found his match, and that Sherlock was not ordinary - in fact he would be even more determined to go on. I am aware original Moriarty died in the fall, but it is one thing to get killed as a result of a direct struggle. It seemed like the writers wanted to show how Sherlock beat him by essentially recognizing that shooters could be called off and thus trapping Moriarty, whereas Moriarty thought that by cutting that route off for Sherlock he was killing him as well. The death of one meant the death of the other. So, it is like chess match where both kings were to be sacrificed, but Sherlock found a way to stay alive. How, we will see. Nevertheless, his triumph over Moriarty didn't feel complete, I think, because no ingenious, or substantial enough scheme preceded it. Now, it was great that M staged Sherlock's downfall, or that he had his friends in sight, but all that lacked something that would tie it in and induce the same reaction I felt at the end of Belgravia or The Great Game. Or perhaps it is just that they did Moriarty character so well, I am disappointed he won't continue battling wits with Sherlock (though we shall see)
Loved it. It's looking like Finch's partner didn't betray him. (or at least I'm hoping that's the case) I'm really glad. It sounds like Finch has never been one to trust easily (or at all?) if, not even his best friend's son knows he's a software engineer. I'm looking forward to finding out more about what happened. Was Finch hurt when his partner was killed?
ReplyDeleteI think he already knows, I mean detective Fiasco (I mean Fusco, or do I?) isn't that great at his job... I think he should be following the kid and not Finch at any rate
ReplyDeleteBest part of the episode: "Hey, you finally got new glasses."
ReplyDelete"Great"
ReplyDelete"Legacy"Well this one was a bit more of standalone, but the little bit of arc we did get was well worth it!Nathan Ingram has a son, whom happens to be the same actor who stared in Abrams' and Reeves' "Cloverfield", Michael Stahl-David...For those whom may not of seen the "cam-corder-recorded N.Y.C. Monster flick, "Cloverfield" tells the story of Rob Hawkins whom was going to take a job in Japan, and the night of his going away party, a monster comes a shore and reeks havoc on New York City! One of his friends records the events (and so the film is shown from the perspective of one using a camera), as Rob decides to go find his friend and unrequited love, Beth, who has been trapped in her apartment underneath rubble! --The end of the film makes point that their video became under the property of the U.S. Government (there is also a Dharma Logo!), as from a prequel comic we learn there is conspiracy of Japan's "SLUSHO" company, who creates these monsters! (Slusho has made appearances in Alias, Cloverfield, and Fringe)The parallel being is that Ingram's son is surely starting to uncover a mystery/conspiracy surrounded by both his father, and Uncle Harold...I also REALLY enjoyed the whole Carter working with Reese aspect and that Fusco didn't know what Carter was up to, but then the reveal that Reese has sent Fusco to tail after Finch! :D--That's pretty complicated plot, but it's a good one!
I kind of like the Carter business, because there is this uncertainty that just because 'someone' is "on the team" today, doesn't mean their "on the team" tomorrow! :D
ReplyDeleteThis is great, is lot good thinks here thanks for the extras.
ReplyDeleteI think the Carter and Reese work together is a good thing, more because Reese don't reveal to Lionel the information, so he have two detectives work in two differents lines. I think this could be a good deal. Another stuff is the introduction of Ingram son, this will be a problem for Finch.
ReplyDeleteNice, they work together!
ReplyDeleteEven though I figured out in the middle of the episode who was behind it, it was still a good episode and I like were they are taking Finch's backstory.
ReplyDeleteNow I guess both Finch and Reese have their own separate problems. Reese has the CIA and Finch has his ex partner's kid looking into evidence that may lead to the machine.
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