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POLL : What did you think of Supernatural - The Girl Next Door?

8 Oct 2011

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218 comments:

  1. David Fischer8 October 2011 at 03:02

    I officially trust Sam's judgement more than Dean's. I'm really getting tired of him and his 'I know best because I'm always right' attitude. I hope he gets his ass kicked next week.

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  2. Rachel8 October 2011 at 03:05

    I wish Dean would trust Sam and Sam's judgement.  Grr.  I still LOVED the episode though.  

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  3. Kyanna Warner8 October 2011 at 03:06

    I thought Dean wouldn't make it to the ambulance on time. *whew. Loving the inky black, eerie, damn awesome Title opening :D

    "Hey uh two legs, we're fresh outta grub"
    "And uh Saamm, 'PIE'" and Sam brings him cake

    LoL Dean calling Sam 'Girl-interrupted' although I don't get the reference it's hella funny

    Young Sam
        "No, don't put him on the phone"
    Sighs*  "Hi dad"
               "Yes sir"
    I can cut the resentment with a knife

    Lol the My Blood Valentine commercial while Dean was sleeping. Daebak!

    Dean VS Cast
    Dean's weapon of choice (That saw thingy)
    "You're going down"

    Every time Sam went into a flashback I admit I rolled my eyes but there was always something intriguing within them. He's so cute
    AWWWW He asked Dean for advice on how to talk to girls
    And that bitch was like "No, go away"
    Well fine...
    I'll just save your ass from two creeps, then say "Hi I'm Sam"

    Years later he has a knife to a blonde's chest and says "Hi Amy" (Whattah twist o.o)

    The brain in jars in the fridge thing was unexpected and darn creepy

    "Sam you are a freak"
    "All the coolest people are freaks" I love her. She was so sweet to my Sammy

    Present: And then she slams his head into a tree, and she's back to being a bitch

    Sam admitting his father has a temper and that John drinks
    "I don't wanna be like my dad either" (*be still my heart)

    And then Dean punches Sam, and he falls pretty darn heavily backwards O_O bwahahahahahahahaha
    "You steal my baby you get punched"
    Sam's excuse "Dean, I left you a note"

    Past Amy: "Come with me, we don't have to be alone, we can be freaks together"

    The 'freak' thing has always been a sensitive topic but I'm glad Sam's learning to deal with the
    fact that he is different and I can see Dean's trying to be considerate of this-ish
    Sam: "Trust me"
    Dean: "I gotta start to sometime"
    (Fingers crossed) It's a start :)
    Dean lets him drive so casually :)
    ...
    And then Dean goes after Amy *facepalm
    S'HELLLLLLL!!!? There goes that trust
    Threatening the kid, Dean? Hm *heavy sigh

    I wonder if that grocer's name was Mac, then he would be Mac and Cheese. (deathly humor ftw)

    The episode itself was kind of bland compared to the others before for me but I enjoyed it.

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  4. frank8 October 2011 at 03:08

    Now Dean has an enemy for season 15!!

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  5. Yavemiel8 October 2011 at 03:08

    I will probably come back and comment again in the morning, when I'm not literally falling asleep at my keyboard, but I really enjoyed this episode. I have to confess, I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed the last two episodes, or Jensen's directorial debut last year, but I suspect that's because (respectively) the season had to slow down a bit sometime and because Bobby is just made of awesome. I thought Colin Ford was amazing in this, as he always is. More analysis later once I've slept for 8 hours minimum and possibly rewatched the ep. :)

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  6. Chanelle Montpetit8 October 2011 at 03:09

    WHAT? HE WENT BACK AND KILLED HER! I AM SOOO PISSED! and.... its kinda out of character for this dean isnt? this is s1-2-3 dean. (or s1-2 not sure) but what ever argh

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  7. Michele Klinger8 October 2011 at 03:09

    I loved this entire episode, even when Dean killed Amy. Yes, it was wrong of him to go against Sammy's judgement, but obv he's hurting from losing Cas and Sam going crazy. This really is like what happened after John died. He wasn't right to do it, but there is reasoning behind it

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  8. Chanelle Montpetit8 October 2011 at 03:10

    LOL nice

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  9. frank8 October 2011 at 03:12

    Leviathan are turning out to be quite crafty.  They'll catch up to the boys in no time at this rate.  Lemmy Kilmeister.  Now HE'D make an awesome hunter.

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  10. chris6848 October 2011 at 03:13

    To quote Crowley, "This isn't how synergy works!" Waiting for the other shoe to drop, Dean? Really?

    Sam needs to come up with a better way of dodging unwanted interference. A text back that he was ok would have been appropriate. Dean needs to work on a better way of expressing his emotions than punching Sam.

    Hoping what Dean did comes up next week during his trial and Sam makes sure he gets the electric chair.

    So John is a mean drunk now? They just make him worse and worse.

    Liked seeing a Sam episode again, but I can't wait for them to drop this depressive feel to them. Loved seeing Sam stand up for who he is - a freak, but a really hot one.

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  11. Katie12278 October 2011 at 03:17

    Don't know if it's because I had too much anticipation.,..but I really didn't enjoy the episode, we left with many big clifs last week..in 30 seconds everyone was save
    no real action, no story, no pace...Amy and Sam magically in love in 5 seconds
    Dean walking fine after no walking on his leg for 3 weeks
    just.....nothing happening nowhere....-_-

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  12. Kat8 October 2011 at 03:23

    Was hoping Dean wouldn't kill Amy, but knew he would. Really liked Amy's son telling Dean the only person he was going to kill was him (and Dean's shocked looked). And Dean didn't kill the kid, even though he knew the other shoe would drop eventually and the kid would kill - so I hope that the way the episode ended doesn't mean Dean's going to go through another season not trusting his brother. Maybe next weeks will resolve some of it. Now a week of waiting to see if Dean and Sam will ever trust each other - ever. At least the writers can keep me hooked this season...kudos TPTB!

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  13. SuePo8 October 2011 at 03:23

    Not really. Dean did his job. Not much of a secret. Sam needed to believe Dean trusted him, so Dean told him OK. He gave Sam what he needed, but Amy was a monster and she killed people. He couldn't just let her go. Like he said, she would kill again. This time it was because of her son, next time, who knows?

    Yes, Dean is getting a little dark, but how can he not. He still has to do what he's always done. He's a hunter and despite all the set-backs and trust issues, he ganks monsters. I don;t think it was out of character at all. After everything, he still knows what is right in front of him.

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  14. Kyanna Warner8 October 2011 at 03:24

    Here's hoping :D

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  15. Kirsten Roberts8 October 2011 at 03:25

    Oh, Dean... going around killing people's parents isn't a good way to deal with Cas' death.  Just stop it.

    Sam, I need you to stop for a minute and ask about your brother.  Okay, we know he's not going to just step up and vomit his feeling all over you, but jeez, get him a drink or something.  At least ASK.

    Bobby, I love you in every episode you're in.

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  16. Tversan8 October 2011 at 03:27

    Loved it. The episode was filled with wonderful scenes.
    And Colin Ford is so awesome as young Sam.

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  17. Kat8 October 2011 at 03:28

    Still laughing at the "vomit his feeling all over you". Completely agree with all three points, especially Bobby is awesome!

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  18. chris6848 October 2011 at 03:33

    I think Sam is a little distracted right now. Plus, we saw five seasons of Sam trying to get Dean to open up about what he's feeling just to get met with wise-ass defections, such as "no chick flick moments." I don't think Sam has the energy to deal with that right now.

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  19. SuePo8 October 2011 at 03:33

    That was Dean's big secret? That he did his job? Come on Sera, stop trying to make things look like more than they are. It was a good ep. Sam is trying very hard to rationalize things, but he should still stop and realize he's not OK. He's dealing, but that doesn't equate OK. And letting Amy go was a bit Sammy of season 1. I just think he's a different person now. Maybe he really needs to believe he's still that person?

    As for Dean, I think he's become way more pragmatic. It's not really about trust anymore. He doesn't trust anyone and I can't really say I blame him. Of course he was pissed Sam took off. To him it was like same song, different verse. "Be back in a few days. I'm OK" is supposed to placate him? Since when? Especially since Sam isn't exactly stable at the moment. I read a few comments that ppl were upset with Dean for killing Amy, but why? It's what they do. Kill monsters. It's not like he enjoyed it and it's not like he wanted to do it, but he knew his job and did what had to be done -- what Sam couldn't do. He's been doing that his whole life.

    Bobby seemed a bit blase about everything. He didn't really react to anything. That seemed a bit weird to me. Maybe he's a little sidetracked by Leviathons in his home town?

    Good episode. The story was a bit weak, but I think they did what they could with it. Jensen's direction was compelling, the acting was good as usual, but it was young Sam and Amy that made the episode. I liked their interaction even tho it seemed a bit rushed. I guess there's only so much you can do in an hour tho. 

    Looking forward to seeing Jo next week! 

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  20. Kat8 October 2011 at 03:40

    The actor playing her son I think nailed it perfectly. It really would be great to see him come back sometime.

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  21. chris6848 October 2011 at 03:43

    Would you agree then if Sam doesn't agree with Dean's call it's ok to lie to Dean and secretly do what he wants? I don't know whether killing Amy was right or wrong, but I thought they were going to try to work with each other again, and that means respecting each other's opinions. Besides, there have been cases where Dean has let the bad guy get away. Remember the demon Casey from season 3? Dean tried to stop Sam from killing her even though she had killed their hunter friend Richie.

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  22. Marcela Rodriguez8 October 2011 at 03:53

    Whoa, full length review!

    I'm a fan of Sam and really wanted to love this episode. The female actresses - younger and older - were amazing. I can understand Sam leaving (now that I've seen the whole reason) and not letting his brother know where, but I was more understanding of Dean's worry, seeing as his brother only three weeks back had driven the impala and couldn't remember doing it. So I think Sam could be more specific to Dean in asking him to trust his judgement on Amy, and maybe build up his trust in his post-hell sanity even if that's not completely warranted for yet. As for Dean... pot meets kettle? The biggest proponent of family coming first is...? I don't think I fully understood the monster though - why and how often would she 'need' fresh meat? - so I could have swayed either way, leaning towards Sam and Lenore the friendly vampire, but they didn't TELL us, did they?
    The flow and transitioning felt a little off, and I would have liked to see Amy at a funeral site/discovered at one rather than have that exposited out. I wouldn't have minded seeing one of the deaths too, although that may have swayed audience opinion - unless she found a way to make it painless/fast, got escaped convicts or people from death row, etc.? The episode overall was lacking in action. Heck, part of it could have been a more fun cat and mouse between Dean and Sam or something too.

    I really liked Colin Ford, until it came to the last few scenes - when his face of angst was a bit strange and never changed. It's more like Sam might have reacted... after seasons 1-3, not how I see teenage Sam reacting. It's a question of allowing oneself to show vulnerability in acting; some people just show less than others (or for Jared, less in seasons 4-6 for instance...) I couldn't quite get on that romance boat either, or completely feel it; his first stares in the bookstore said 'potential monster/strange thing' more than 'ah I'm so awkward around girls'. For the romance, if there had been a 'natural' moment between them, like him laughing or something when she drank his soda or... that chemistry just wasn't there from Colin's side. (I didn't think rob and kate had any chemistry whatsoever (zero, negative) during the first twilight movie either... or at least for the half I watched on a dare until I had to leave upon seeing 'the SPARKLES...')

    And man they're creating straight parallels here. No attempt at subtlety whatsoever. 'You're a freak? I'm a freak.' Can't they use synonyms, euphemisms for the first few times? Different? I listen to some alt pop rock whatever bands sometimes but this, this doesn't go to the level of Academy Is...'s 'Slow Down' or Jimmy Eat World's 'The Middle', this goes all the way down to Simple Plan's 'Your Love is a Lie' and Green Day's 'Boulevard of Broken Dreams' (hey one of these looks just like the other...)

    (Don't get me wrong, I liked Green Day in early high school, but we've heard it all. Don't tell us the same teenage angst stories in the same angsty ways. Supernatural usually saves its sledgehammers for mid-season, with all the hiding and whatnot before... please don't replace one with the other...)

    3/5 - Points for an experimental episode, for the amazing actresses and that girl's story that was compelling until they failed to explain it fully (what kind of monster is she again?)  or really show her in action, and instead used it to directly mirror Sam's 'I'm a freak and don't like my parents' thoughts. And if they were hinting at greater emotional abuse, whether by John (revisiting) or Lucifer, I don't think this was the right way to do it.

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  23. Chanelle Montpetit8 October 2011 at 03:55

    Yeah but didnt we did the "not all monsters are evil" debate.

    - PS: i did not read your comment just saw "not really" :P Gotta run, LOL

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  24. SuePo8 October 2011 at 04:06

    But do you believe letting Amy go -- letting a monster who had killed people go -- was an 'opinion'? Sam believed she wouldn't kill again. What if her kid was sick again? What if she felt she had no choice? Sam was too close to the situation. Dean wasn't. Like he said, it may be next year or ten years from now. But a monster is a monster. The exact same thing with Casey. Dean had the time to get to know her and didn't want her killed at that moment, so Sam did it. Was Sam wrong to do it just because Dean tried to tell him not to? Nope. She was a demon. 

    And Dean see's Sam's judgement as suspect at the moment. He's spacing out, seeing things that aren't there, he ditched Dean to go on this hunt and wasn't going to tell his brother about it. From Dean's POV, does Sam seem stable enough to make that call? To let a monster go because she promises to be good? I don't think so. So I have no problem with Dean doing what needed to be done.

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  25. ShiryuForever948 October 2011 at 04:07

    I loved it. Specially the effects to mark the past. Jensen rocks directing. It was a good episode. I loved to see Dean  protecting Sam one more time, even if the "little brother" didn't liked to be protected.   

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  26. expensieve8 October 2011 at 04:08

    Quick question, and I feel stupid for asking - but how did the Leviathans know to track Sam's card when it was under a different ID? (how did they figure it out?)

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  27. SuePo8 October 2011 at 04:13

    I guess we're to assume Cas knew all their aliases? So the Leviathon know what Cas did. Otherwise, I have no clue. :) Good question.

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  28. chris6848 October 2011 at 04:14

    Not a stupid question at all. They might have Cas's memories, but I doubt Cas knew all those details. A bigger one is why the Leviathan are putting so much effort into targeting the Winchesters. You would think such ancient creatures would have bigger targets.

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  29. DarqueMode8 October 2011 at 04:17

    Have not watched this episode yet, but I thought I'd post a link to a lot of nice Supernatural photos that I found earlier today.. 

    It also has a lot of articles etc. You need to use a translator page or use Google Chrome which will translate the page from Russian to English for you automatically....Some may already frequent it... dunno.http://www.diary.ru/~v-veritas/?tag=974614

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  30. ShatteredOne8 October 2011 at 04:22

    Really enjoyed Jewel Staite's character and her relationship with Sam.  But I thought the pacing was pretty off, they got out of the hospital too easily, and I hated that Dean went and killed Amy.  I didn't really enjoy a chunk of Season 6, but I don't think I rated any of them Awful...unlike this episode.

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  31. frank8 October 2011 at 04:24

    I would have to guess that Cas' memories included aliases (FBI), memories of killing Seraphs and every color-eyed demon there is plus how many other supernatural beings. Cas did go on a couple hunts where aliases were used.  Cas knew how much of an adversary they would be. 

    I'm just guessing.  I'm also wondering how Crowley figures in all this.

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  32. klutzy_girl8 October 2011 at 04:24

    I loved it and it was awesome, but oh Dean, no! Bad decision!

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  33. Julia8 October 2011 at 04:25

    I really liked this episode; it's good to see that Dean is clearly not dealing with his Sam/Cas troubles well. Dean kind of reminded me of his 2014 self, so i'm looking forward to exploring his dark/angsty side for a while.
    (BTW, I mean Dean's not dealing well with Sam's wall and Cas's death, not that he's having Sassy problems. He has Sam and Cas problems, not Sam/Cas problems. Unless I really misunderstood the last episode, I'm pretty sure Dean doesn't have to worry about Sassy.)

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  34. expensieve8 October 2011 at 04:27

    Ah, I didn't even think that they might've gotten it through Cas! It seems a little thin (and it would've been nice to drop a hint suggesting the Boss has eyes and ears out for them). I thought at first it might be leftovers from the FBI investigation (what with the system still flagging activity from the account), but then Sam & Dean would hopefully have picked out different aliases... P: 

    I'm not sure why they couldn't fabricate new identities even with this roadblock, so I'm interested in seeing how this is incorporated.
    And I know! xD I feel like their 'learning curve' is really strange to me, too. I understand that they are ancient creatures entering a new world, but so far they have only come off as slightly stupid to me. I mean, they're not exactly the great menacing threat we've been told to expect, since their strategy is basically confined to abducting people from a single hospital (and dousing them with cheese). So it's like a strange mix of pseudo-subtlety/poor planning and childish killing sprees? 

    But yes, overall, I was hoping they would dismiss the Winchesters straight out of hand and establish a better system for harvesting humans. For criminals, they seem somewhat inept so far...Then again, I guess we've only been shown some of the people they are impersonating and I'm making assumptions. Maybe this episode is opening up the concept that they are branching into more law enforcement/governmental roles and learning the ropes.

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  35. chris6848 October 2011 at 04:27

    I do think it's a judgment call. I can't remember Sam's exact quote, but he said something like there's nothing simple about what they do. How many times have they purposely let Crowley get away? Sam killed Casey because it happened very quickly, but if they had had time to talk about it and Dean had made an appeal for Casey, Sam would have respected his wishes.

    As for Sam, he's impaired, as is Dean as we saw in this episode, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get a say on whether to kill someone.

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  36. frank8 October 2011 at 04:28

    I actually had a fleeting thought after the kid said he was going to kill Dean that the kid was a Leviathan.  But then I remember hearing that they can't be killed.

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  37. expensieve8 October 2011 at 04:29

    Ha, that's zany! :O I keep expecting twists like that though; I thought for sure that Bobby was a Leviathan in disguise with the way he was acting. xD

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  38. Katherine8 October 2011 at 04:31

    I was wondering if that was Bobby or a LeviaBobby.

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  39. jensenfan19788 October 2011 at 04:31

    If that leg was broken, it takes 6 weeks to heal.  If it's badly broken it can take 3 months.  I should know.

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  40. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 04:33

    Can I vote awesome and still be in a total funk? Only this show can take me to the highest highs and the lowest lows, and still make me beg for more... It's gonna take me a while to get over that ending though *sniff*.

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  41. jensenfan19788 October 2011 at 04:35

    Dean had serious issues. Probably more than Sam did.    It was five seasons that Sam tried to get him to talk..  Some of them yes, then it was Dean trying to get through to Sam.  That particular problem works both ways.  Sam spent time telling Dean and Bobby he was all right.  He certainly wasn't.  It took quite a while for Sam to admit he couldn't handle it.  

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  42. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 04:35

    I would call it a "better safe than sorry" outlook right now. He has been kicked in the daddy pills one too many times. He needs to find some trust again. I guess he trusts Bobby, but he isn't taking some of Bobby's advice (ex: giving Sam the benefit of the doubt and look at the positives -- he's not hiding under the sink).

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  43. Katherine8 October 2011 at 04:36

    I liked this episode, just not as much as the first two.I think Jensen did a great job directing and the acting was great. There was just something lacking a little in the episode. Maybe I just missed the faster pace of the first two episodes, that can't keep that kind of action up all the time I suppose.

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  44. frank8 October 2011 at 04:42

    Plus they had to set it.  Lots of soft tissue damage there. Not to mention it was an above-the-knee cast. Two weight bearing joints were having the ligaments and tendons shrink up.

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  45. Shaula Dfn8 October 2011 at 04:43

    "Hoping what Dean did comes up next week during his trial and Sam makes sure he gets the electric chair."

    So nice of you.... :(

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  46. frank8 October 2011 at 04:56

    Give them a little time. I beliee the doctor said something to the effect of the operation being up and running alluding to the hospital as a food source.  Maybe they need a certain amount of food handy to begin to reproduce. And then a really big rain followed by a flash flood and there goes the west coast.

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  47. chris6848 October 2011 at 05:09

    Maybe not but the act was pretty brutal.

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  48. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 05:09

    They did show us a death... that drug dealer perv that was trying to get a little something extra for his merchandise just because his customer was desperate. They also showed us a potential death. Amy was going to kill that exceedingly drunk man that was trying to get his keys into the car. He could hardly stand and he was going to drive. To me, she was going to kill a potential murderer. Anybody that is drunk that gets behind the wheel is wielding a loaded weapon aimed at innocents.

    Note: In episode 7x02 Sam drove a van and thought Lucifer was driving the Impala... Dean arrived at the warehouse in the real Impala... I know, that doesn't make the situation better.

    However, I do think that Sam was incredibly specific asking for Dean to trust his judgement. he told Dean everything. He told him about meeting Amy, bonding a bit with her, and having her save his life... then he told Dean about her son. How much more specific could he have been?

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  49. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 05:10

    That was my guess.

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  50. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 05:13

    Yeah, they got out of that too easily and the reunion with Bobby was too quick (Bobby, you're alive!). Sam went from seizing in the ambulance with swelling in the brain to 3 weeks later he is fine. I understand the escape from the hospital, but why leave us with that without covering a least running back to a different hospital for some treatment for Sam? I am kind of tired of the magical cures. The ending last week was so tense, then poof all better.

    But, I still really liked the episode... I have more regret about the ending... I don't want the depression of Season 5... These guys have got to trust and depend on each other *sigh*.

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  51. Debbie Combs8 October 2011 at 05:15

    Mac and cheese *hahahahahahahaha*

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  52. browniegirl278 October 2011 at 05:16

    I thought the act was very appropriate.  I believe she would have killed again.  I just hope that this "secret" comes out soon.  They need to deal with it, and move on.

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  53. lalala918 October 2011 at 05:20

    I'm still sad about the ending but I loved the acting and directing. I'm kind of getting upset at Dean though why is he deciding everything for everyone :(

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  54. expensieve8 October 2011 at 05:28

    I shuddered when you mentioned reproduction. And what a nice metaphor, lol! Hopefully you are right, especially if they are hoping to top the Apocalypse story line.

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  55. chris6848 October 2011 at 05:42

    Random speculation time. Why was Bobby in a suit? That wasn't what he was wearing in the last episode. And anyone else think it was weird that there wasn't one emotional line from him about his house being destroyed? Could he be something bad that has bigger plans for the Winchesters than eating them? Maybe he's the LeviaBoss and the grunts under him don't know about his plan.

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  56. Melissa8 October 2011 at 05:48

    What was that!? I thought we were done with the whole 'Dean doesn't trust Sam' thing! Gamble said we were!! That last scene proved that he still doesn't! Having Dean kill her was ridiculous and out of character. He let Lenore go when she was technically a 'monster.' Also didn't like how they glossed over Sam's head trauma. Definitely a downer from the last episode.

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  57. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8678 October 2011 at 05:48

    Wow, this episode was awesome! I loved everything! I also loved Amy (whhhyyyy Dean, whyyyyy?)
    My thoughts are too jumbled to explain why I loved this episode so much, I just did. As for Dean killing Amy, I wasn't super pissed like many others, I understood that he was thinking better safe than sorry. I also had the impression that he killed Amy because he believed Sam in Season 4 when he said he stopped the Demon Blood, but in the end he started again. So, when he saw Amy, he might have seen what happened with Sam and therefore killed her as he didn't truly believe she would stop killing.

    Awesome episode. 

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  58. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8678 October 2011 at 05:58

    I completely agree with you. This episode was enjoyable from beginning to end. I have absolutely no disappointments.

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  59. SuePo8 October 2011 at 06:00

    I thought Bobby was a bit... restrained, too. He seemed a bit preoccupied. It's suspicious.

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  60. Katie12278 October 2011 at 06:02

    Girl interrupted is a movie of a girl in a mental hospital, that's where they took the inspiration for the title Sam interrupted in season 5

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  61. Dahne8 October 2011 at 06:03

    I liked it but not as much as the first two episodes.  I have no problem with Amy's death.

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  62. JosephMcLaddle8 October 2011 at 06:08

    Was Sam BORN looking like a puppy dog?  Haha.  His rejection face in the library was priceless.

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  63. Katie12278 October 2011 at 06:11

    Not sure about that since all the Levi are trying to track the boys down with credit cards and everything, why give that much trouble if you have a Leviathan with them?

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  64. SuePo8 October 2011 at 06:11

    I don't know. I can't see it as a judgement call. Hunter 101. She killed 4 people. That was fact. The kid hadn't killed anyone yet and Dean let him live. It would have been out of character for Dean to turn a blind eye to a monster that killed. He had no emotional connection to her because he'd never met her before. He didn't enjoy it, but it had to be done despite Sam's appeal. 

    We'll never know about Casey because it never happened and I don't remember Dean being upset with Sam about it anyway. He may have tried to make an appeal to save her later, but we can't assume that. He tried to get Sam to stop right then in the heat of the moment, but what would've happened after that is pure speculation. Maybe it was only a knee-jerk response because he had started to humanize her. His only reaction was to ask Bobby if he thought there was something wrong with his brother, but that was more due to the YED planting the thought in his head than Sam killing a demon. 

    And Amy wasn't a someone. She was a something. And no, when you're too close to the situation, you don't get to make the decision because it's not based on fact, it's based on emotion. Hunters are pragmatic or they don't last long.

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  65. SuePo8 October 2011 at 06:23

    Exactly. If an animal attacks someone, you don't give it a second chance, you put it down right? Why wouldn't you do the same for a monster? She was good for years, but gave in. If it happens once, it's pretty much inevitable it'll happen again. Does a hunter take that risk? No.

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  66. SuePo8 October 2011 at 06:29

    Always entertaining, Rochey! :)

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  67. Elena Jacob8 October 2011 at 06:30

    Really...? Just really...? Gamble lied to us. She said they were back to trusting each other and that right there? You know the thing with the stabbing of the mom? Yeah? No! That was not trust! That, to me, seemed kind of like the exact opposite! The episode was choppy and overall really weak. Nothing happened except for Dean going out of character at the end and traumatizing me. That was so wrong. He had been more than willing to let monsters go in the past (*cough cough* Lenore, Crowley *cough cough*). Sam asked him to trust him and he should have. The Dean of 'Hello, Cruel World' would have. And punching Sam? Really? Find a better outlet for your anger, Dean. Overall, I can put up with a lot from this show. I almost died a couple of times during seasons 4 and 5 from my heart being ripped out of my chest. But this episode back-tracked so epically that it is definitely on my list of least favorite episodes ever. And the hospital scene? They glossed over it like it was nothing when that could have been epic! 

    On a positive note, the acting was amazing on all parts (as per usual) and Jensen's directing was spectacular. The writing though, was so incredibly lacking in so many areas that I really hope that this episode was just a fluke. Episodes 1 and 2 of this season were amazing and it would be a shame if that standard was not upheld through the rest of the season.

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  68. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8678 October 2011 at 06:40

    I loved this episode. I felt it was paced just right, and whenever it flew into a flashback I was intrigued. Colin Ford is just the best as Young Sam. The flashbacks, even without showing their dad or Dean, gave me a sense of who they were back in 1998, it kept to the facts and I loved it. Young Sam interacting with John gave me a flash back to Season 1, when they saw their dad again and Sam and John kept butting heads.

    I was not disappointed by the ending in any way. I felt that Dean did what he did, not because he didn't trust Sam, but because he was a hunter, and that was his job. He just didn't trust Amy, felt that Sam was too close to her to make a sound decision, and decided that it was a better safe than sorry type of situation. That last scene also intrigued me because I felt like Dean had a different air around himself. I couldn't quite explain it but it made everything seem darker.

    I loved this episode just as much as the last two, and considering that this is the first MOTW type of episode, that makes me very happy about the Season :)

    The Leviathans also intrigued me this episode. They're getting closer to the Winchesters, and what's exciting is that Sam and Dean don't even know that their credit cards are being used to track them!
    The second last scene with the cheese was just nasty, but it painted the Leviathans in a darker light. Now we know that they like to make people suffer before they eat them if they have the time. Therefore, Sam and Dean need to not get caught...This adds to the intrigue of the credit card tracking thing. The Leviathan are getting closer and the Winchesters are not ready.

    I give this episode a 10/10 for sure.

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  69. JosephMcLaddle8 October 2011 at 06:43

    Call me a crazy cynical bastard, but Dean should have killed the offspring too.  It admitted to his face it would not pursue a "non-monster" life.

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  70. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 06:44

    So, now we all know Dean's "secret."

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  71. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8678 October 2011 at 06:44

    I completely agree with you. I just don't understand the hate for that particular scene.

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  72. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 06:48

    Yeah, I was on the fence about that one because I was a little upset that he was going to kill Amy (even though I saw it coming since Sera mentioned a choice he'd make in this episode) and then to turn around and find the son standing there... First I felt "Dean, what have you done?" then the kid flat out started speaking like an adult and he confirmed the would not do as his mother did.

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  73. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 06:56

    I do agree that pragmatism is the way to go in this case. And from here on out, it seems. 
    Sam is doing better, but I'd agree he's not "fine"...and neither is Dean. I think that Dean was doing his job like you said. 

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  74. Marcela Rodriguez8 October 2011 at 07:01

    I should have mentioned that death we saw, but I didn't count it because we didn't see HER kill it... we just saw the guy fall and then he was dead. It just wasn't as graphic as deaths usually are, probably because of what they were trying to do. I did not notice that the man at the car was drunk; that adds to the grey area, but I think they could have explored/painted that aspect of her further.

    And, yes, Sam asked for Dean's complete trust, which included trusting his judgement - but it also included trusting him when he says he's 'fine.' Like when he defended his actions like, 'I left a note.' He didn't ask Dean to trust his judgement before leaving; he just expected Dean to let him go off on his own. If you wake up, and your hallucinating child (or grandma) is out of the house, even with a note, what are you going to think? This may be more of an issue with the 'three week healing' thing though.... I feel like they could have had a transitionary episode to have Sam recover from the head and mental trauma before this one.

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  75. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 07:02

    I'm sorry but I just can't agree with that last part. There were some unbelievably rough episodes in season 6, and I believe the 3rd episode of season 6 is where I absolutely hated what was going on. I'm not saying this episode was the greatest ever, but I can't see how this is much worse than some episodes from season 6.

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  76. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 07:03

    Yes, this is what I was wondering.
    I thought "why would they be showing us that the leviathans are being alerted to the Winchesters' presence if they already knew they were there, and Bobby was a Leviathan?" 

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  77. SuePo8 October 2011 at 07:06

    Yeah, neither of them is 'fine'. But I think the difference is that Dean has always been able to see what's in front of him and just do the job. Sam lets emotion sway him. Sure Dean is messed up from Cas' betrayal and death and Sam's issues, but he still has a clear view of what they do. So in this instance, it wasn't emotion or trust or anything so angsty, It was simply doing the job. Monster + deaths = gank.

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  78. SuePo8 October 2011 at 07:12

    Actually it said it wouldn't kill anyone but Dean, right? Dean's ok with that. If the kid does come after him, he'll do what he has to do, but as long as he doesn't kill anyone else, Dean will leave him be. 

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  79. JosephMcLaddle8 October 2011 at 07:42

    It expressed a willingness to murder.  Even if it only meant to kill one person, that still makes it a monster.  And if it was serious and truly meant to kill Dean, someone it recognized as a skilled hunter, it would know that to try and make him its first kill would be suicide.  Therefore the only options would be 1) hope it comes after Dean with no experience, making letting it live just delaying the inevitable, 2) it kills and comes after Dean and can possibly kill him, making Dean a moron for letting it live, or 3) it kills and they never find each other again, making it a lifelong murderer. 

    None of those options sound very ideal to me.

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  80. ShatteredOne8 October 2011 at 08:06

    You're right, after a few hours of thinking about the episode and some of the episodes of I realize my earlier comment is incorrect as you say.  I remember the 3rd episode of Season 6, think it was The Third Man (the first one with Castiel back, and thought it was one of the worst episodes of the show's whole run.  Particularly in the first half of Season 6 there were a lot of stinkers.  I guess I was just upset over what I hoped for a better episode, I apologize for my rash rating.

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  81. Kati8 October 2011 at 08:20

    Seriously, before you start pointing out how wrong Sera Gamble was again, read the spoilers, read them ALL and properly. She said that in 703, a small secret of Dean's will be revealed and dealt with quickly. Dean's big secret has nothing to do with 703 or what happens in 704. Going into 709, not even Jensen knew what the secret was because the writers didn't tell even him.

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  82. jillyanne8 October 2011 at 08:26

    I've only watched it twice but I loved it. Not as much as the first two, admittedly, but there was certainly nothing I disliked about it. The pace wasn't as frantic and fraught as the first two but I don't consider that a bad thing.
    The young Sam/ young Amy scenes were brilliant - Colin Ford is at the top of my 'watchlist' for future 'Big Names'.
    I think Dean was justified in killing Amy. It was clear he didn't like doing it, but he made the tough choice. 
    I always suspected John Winchester would've been a 'mean drunk', so that's been confirmed. Call me cynical but no surprise there.
    The acting all round was perfect as always. Jensen's directing was great - especially considering the greater complexity of this ep, and that Dean appeared more than in WaB. 

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  83. Nikita Ahn8 October 2011 at 08:28

    Pros:  
    BOBBY IS ALIVE!  I mean, I read spoilers, so I knew, but still - glad to see him!  I had half-worried that the Bobby in the pics for this ep was a Leviathan Bobby.  Dean's reaction when he saw him was wonderful, and I loved his little confused "whaaa?" when he saw his cast LOL.  Loved the Spanish soaps, the little "My Bloody Valentine" nod, and the TV talking about lazy Wildebeasts while Dean was sleeping.  Poor wee Sammy's face when Amy first rejects him was perfect - SO "Sam".  Colin Ford is PERFECT as young Sam - the puppy eyes, the mannerisms, the expressive face.  Kid's wonderful.  Jewel Staite rocks - I've missed seeing her on TV so much, so that was great.  Chivalrous Sam saving Amy from the bullies, and reassuring her that she's good, were also highlights.  

    Cons:
    I'm sort of pissed that we didn't get to see ANY of Sam in the hospital and that that whole part of the ep was from Dean's POV exclusively.  We didn't get ANY explanation of how Sam recovered - I mean, he goes from intercranial pressure and seizures to a tiny little almost-bruise with no in-between.  I'm used to Supernatural's Magical Healing Powers, but still - we see Dean in the hospital all the time, and the ONE time we get actual hospitalized Sam, they cheat us on it.  That really irks me.  And Dean killing Amy was BULL.  He lied to Sam, then stabbed Amy in cold blood?  Sam was right - Dean would have done no less to save his own family, and she'd only killed low-lifes (not okay, but as okay as it could be).  I hate that - it seemed very out of character to me, very cold and sociopathic - especially threatening a kid who just watched someone kill his mom.  Sam begged Dean to trust him, and Dean should have.  He had no right to go behind Sam's back when he knew less about the situation than Sam did.  I really, really don't care for that ending. And I really am not looking forward to seeing what happens when Sam finds out.  Can we please be done with the lying/betrayal/secrets tearing the boys apart storylines?  

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  84. Nikita Ahn8 October 2011 at 08:44

    The thing that gets me is it's true what Sam said - either Winchester would probably do the same thing to save the other brother if they were in her situation. If it came down to a choice between some bottom-feeder drug dealer and Sam's life, Dean wouldn't hesitate.  And Amy had a pattern of YEARS of not hurting anyone, purposefully choosing a life that refrained from killing people, and when she DID have to kill she chose people who, while maybe not deserving to die, were certainly not good people.  It shows she was trying to do as little harm as possible and didn't want to hurt good people.  Dean's threatened humans before (the hunters that shot him and Sam, Gordon, etc), too.  Your argument is that Sam was too close to the situation, but I think it's the opposite - that Sam had far more awareness of the situation and Amy's character.  Dean didn't know her or have any interaction with her, which means he's not in as good a position to judge her and the likelihood of her killing again. Sam wasn't hysterical or overly emotional, he was calm and rational and even-keeled.  If he were too emotional to be thinking clearly I think he would have been acting a lot more erratic or visibly emotional than he was.  I mean, he was prepared to kill her, TWICE, before he heard her out and assessed the situation.  I personally don't think Amy would have killed again.  She hadn't for over a decade - there's nothing to say she would have again.  And they've let other monsters go - Lenore is at least as likely to kill a person (we know she did in the past before she went "vegetarian") but Dean let HER go.  It just bugs the crap out of me that he lied to Sam so blatantly, told him he trusted him, then turned around and went behind his back and killed someone that Sam considered somewhat of a friend.  Sam had far more perspective on the situation and was in a better position to judge Amy, having known her, but Dean decided that HE knew better and he stabbed her when she was defenseless and unsuspecting.  Just not cool in my book. 

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  85. Nikita Ahn8 October 2011 at 09:06

    So the kid says he won't kill, and Dean believes him, but Amy says she won't kill again (an adult, with the means to feed herself WITHOUT killing) and Dean stabs her?  It doesn't make sense to me.  I mean, HOW is the kid going to eat and survive without his mom to bring him dead people's brains?  He's going to be forced to kill living people now.  But Dean just let him go, even after the kid expresses a desire and willingness to kill someone (Dean).  Amy was an adult who had over a decade of sustaining herself without murdering - she faced a choice, kill or have her son die.  In the same situation, Dean would have done no different.  I mean, Dean tortured souls in hell because he was in a desperate situation and had to - does that mean he's destined to torture in the future?  Soulless Sam killed people, as did possessed Sam.  Technically Sam had a hand in killing someone when he got the faith healer to heal Dean, and he admitted that he wouldn't do anything differently because it saved Dean.  Dean's threatened humans before (Benders, Gordon, the hunters who shot him and Sam), because for him family comes first.  Lenore had killed in the past and he let HER go - it just seems hypocritical to me and doesn't really make sense.  But I suppose it's just differing interpretations of the episode and motivations.  

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  86. Kati8 October 2011 at 09:30

    But Lenore wasn't killing people. She didn't bite even when they poured human blood into her mouth and she was starving and poisoned. I'm not saying Dean was right but Amy did kill 4 people, even though from her POV she had a good reason - Lenore chose death over killing in the end so Dean's trust was justified.

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  87. Kati8 October 2011 at 09:33

    No, it's not Dean's big secret. Read all the spoilers before jumping to conclusions.

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  88. prpleight8 October 2011 at 09:33

    You know.  I just realized.  Jared's hair isn't a sore thumb to me tonight.  

    I knew this wasn't over...too much calm time on screen.  I thought Dean was gonna do that.  I'm a little annoyed with Dean.  :-)

    Cheese?  Really?  

    I really liked this ep.  It was kind of um...quiet compared to the last few eps.  Was this a new actor playing young Sam?  I really like him as well.  I also liked the young Amy.  LIked her voice.  (I dunno.  It just jumped out enough for me to realize I liked her voice.) Amy Pond   Loved her son's parting words.

    Was I reading it right?  Was the credit card company leviathan the same one playing surgeon?

    I think Jensen is going to be directing long after he decides to quit acting. 

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  89. Kati8 October 2011 at 09:38

    The kid hadn't killed anyone yet - Amy did, even though she thought she had a good reason. If Dean killed the kid who was, so far, an "innocent monster" it would be very Minority Report, IMHO. The kid might or might not kill, it's up to his free will. Amy proved she WAS willing to kill. Don't get me wrong, I don't like that he killed her either, but I get where he's coming from.

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  90. Kati8 October 2011 at 09:40

    No, we don't. Seriously, why does everybody think that? It's clearly said in the spoilers, in 703, a small secret of Dean's will be revealed and quickly dealt with. The big secret has nothing to do with this OR 704. They are filming 709 and not even Jensen knows what the secret is yet because the writers didn't tell even him.

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  91. prpleight8 October 2011 at 09:42

    Your typing is sooo much better than mine when you're falling asleep at the keyboard. :-)

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  92. prpleight8 October 2011 at 09:49

    "Hoping what Dean did comes up next week..."  my first thought when Dean turned around and saw the kid was that the whole sequence (lying to Sam, killing an otherwise harmless creature (who only killed to save her child. - Sam's right either of them would have done the same thing), and having her son see him) was fodder for next weeks episode.  

    Oh, and John as a mean drunk...I wasn't happy with that either.  Nor was I happy with the marriage on the rocks thing that showed up in, I think, season 5.)

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  93. KatHale8 October 2011 at 10:25

    It was a good,solid episode.I really liked it,just not as much as the first two.Jensen did a great job(again) and seeing Colin Ford was great.

    I don't think there's so much to talk about apart from Dean's decision.I don't really mind that he killed Amy.Sure,it was sad,but I think what we have forgotten is that they don't only kill what threatens to kill them(like Lilith,Lucifer,Eve..).They're hunters.They're suppose to hunt whatever kills people.And yes,she did find a way to survive without killing,but when it came down to it,she was willing to do it.What Dean told her was right,what happens in one or ten years from now,when she needs to kill again.I don't see her not doing it if she thought it was absolutely necessary.So,as sad as it was,I understand where he's coming from.
    Also,now we have a plot for season 17,with the boy hunting Dean.Lovely! :-)

    Not trusting Sam's judgement is another story.I think when it comes to certain situations(like this one) they're never gonna see eye to eye.It's clear that Dean has major trust issues right now and the "person"  he needs to solve them with is presumably dead.

    I don't expect it to remain a secret for long and I'm pretty sure that it's not THE secret everyone's talking about."Secret that threatens to tear them apart".It would be kind of lame,cause if we didn't know that we're supposed to be looking out for something and Sam suddenly started yelling in episode 15,"You killed Amy.",my first reaction would be "What?!?Who?"  :-p

    And of course,the Leviathans remain as gross as ever.I will be seeing cheese differently for at least a week!Also,I'm wondering if the explanation that they have Cas' memories applies in everything.I wouldn't be surprised if he knew all the different aliases,but I'm wondering if there's also something else.

    The pics for next episode are great,I'm really looking forward to it!

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  94. Saethe8 October 2011 at 10:43

    Actually, he's been on SPN before, he was Lucas in Dead in the Water

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  95. Nikita Ahn8 October 2011 at 11:06

    The thing that gets me is, how is the kid going to feed himself now?  Dean took away his only source of non-live food.  Judging by Amy's mom and the general nature of "monsters", Amy was a rarity in that she didn't want to kill for food.  And it seems likely that she didn't have contact with others like her, since she was trying so hard to be normal and fly under the radar.  So where does her son go?  How does he survive?  Dean has basically created a situation in which the kid is going to HAVE to kill to live, as it seems unlikely that a child could waltz into a mortuary and help himself to some brains.   And after stabbing his mother in front of him with apparently no remorse, then threatening him, he certainly didn't give the kid a glowing example of the virtues of humanity.  It's possible that now the kid will see humans as the enemy and have less of a problem in killing them.  And Dean's argument in killing Amy was that, as a monster, it was her nature to kill no matter what - that it was inevitable that she would kill again because that's simply what monsters do.  If he truly believes that, then he would have to apply that logic to her son, even if he hadn't killed already - he would HAVE to assume that no matter what, even if the kid had never killed and didn't plan on killing, his nature would overwhelm him and force him into it.  If he DOESN'T believe it, then he has no real reason to assume that Amy would kill again considering that she only killed out of desperation to save her son, not evil motivations, and killing her becomes immoral and illogical.  

    I'm probably over-thinking this (I have a tendency to do that LOL), it just really bothers me because I don't see the logic in Dean's actions and so I'm having a really hard time sympathizing with his actions.  And I love both the brothers, so the writers making one of them do something that I see as so immoral and illogical really irks me.  It's probably simply due to the fact that the writers couldn't find a way to make Dean kill a child without horrifying viewers and casting his character in a really bad light, but it bothers me.

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  96. Judy Smith8 October 2011 at 11:23

    I am pretty sure that Sam isn't going to be surprised to learn that Dean went and killed Amy.  I know I wasn't surprised that he did that.  There is only one time Dean did as Sam asked and didn't kill that vampire.  Other then that, Dean will always put the safety of everyone else first, because that is what he does.  

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  97. chris6848 October 2011 at 12:23

    A few points.  First, what Dean did came not out of a place of cool-headed judgment, but out of a sense of despair.  His argument was that "the shoe always drops,"  people always disappoint you, things always go bad.  Hunters arguably have a moral license to kill only because they only kill creatures that are a threat to people.  When they start killing everything (dangerous or not) they become Gordon.  Was Amy still a threat?  If you believe her story, that she's only killed when her son was in danger, then logic would say that she would stop killing again now that things are back to normal.  The kid, however, is now definitely a threat since he's witnessed his mother's murder and has lost his food supply.

    Second, in Hunted, Dean was ready to kill Gordon, a human who had tried to kill Sam.  Sam had to restrain Dean.  Gordon was not out killing humans, only monsters, and he believed that Sam was a monster who would eventually kill, therefore fair game.  In Let It Bleed, we saw a glimpse of Dean capturing demons, torturing them with the knife, and then killing them with the knife.  We've learned that humans are often awake inside demons.  In season 1, Bobby cautioned them not to hurt Meg because there was a girl trapped inside there.  So Dean was not only torturing and killing the demons, he was torturing and killing innocent humans.  Dean knows how to perform an excorcism.  He was choosing not to because he thought he could get more information with the knife.  So Dean HAS and WILL kill humans who are not a threat to the greater population to protect his family.

    Third, you don't establish trust with someone by using what they told them against them.  Sam trusted Dean and confided everything about Amy to him.  Dean betrayed that trust by going after Amy.  There will be consequences.

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  98. chris6848 October 2011 at 12:30

    That is a contradiction.  All I can think of is Ruby, who went undercover and supported Sam and Dean against the demons because there was a bigger agenda that the other demons weren't aware of.  I can't believe that they would put Bobby in a suit and have this gap in time when he was missing without it leading somewhere.  It may be misdirection, but they need to revisit it at some point.

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  99. chris6848 October 2011 at 12:36

    The cast and the pie were funny - possibly the best part of the episode.

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  100. chris6848 October 2011 at 12:49

    The thing that bothers me about this explanation is that Cas was a big picture guy.  I doubt he even knew how to work a toaster, let alone know about all of the Winchester's aliases.  If it was Bobby, that would be more believable.  Maybe this is another hint that Bobby isn't really Bobby, and that they have Bobby too?

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  101. chris6848 October 2011 at 12:52

    It would be an interesting twist if it turned out that the kid was Sam's and the kid now wants to kill Dean.  Maybe we'll see later that Sam met up again with Amy when he ran off to Flagstaff. 

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  102. jkath8 October 2011 at 13:44

    Not to mention that he said nothing about the message Dean left on his cell phone... 

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  103. chris6848 October 2011 at 14:06

    Sam wouldn't have been honest to Dean about Amy if he had thought Dean would react by killing her, so I think Sam will take this badly.  I disagree with the second part too.  In the earlier seasons, Sam and Dean often disagreed but they didn't take action until they had come together on a plan.  Take Madison as an example. Dean wanted to kill her as soon as he knew she was a werewolf, but Sam wanted to try the long-shot plan of killing the werewolf who turned her.  It wasn't until Sam realized too that they had exhausted all options, and Sam and Dean were in agreement, that Sam killed Madison.

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  104. Bec6668 October 2011 at 14:17

    I am so with you on that. WTF is up with his attitude, he acts like it's Sam's fault he's sick. News Flash Dean, it's your fault. Weren't you the one that assured Bobby, Cas and Sam that you would deal and not let Sam go it alone? Well now you are. And going behind Sam's back to kill Amy.... I'm tired of his tearful whoa is me attitude. Come on Sera, give us Dean back

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  105. Shaula Dfn8 October 2011 at 14:18

    Yes, it was. And I'm a bit disappointed on Dean, too, even if I understand where he is coming from.

    But I still don't think he deserves to die because of it. Especially with Sam wanting and making 'sure he gets the electric chair'.

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  106. Bec6668 October 2011 at 14:20

    He ganks monsters so why did he let the kid live? Her son, aka a monster. He needs brains to live and Dean just killed the person that got them for him. So Dean 'does the right thing' and kills mom monster but lets little kid go.

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  107. chris6848 October 2011 at 14:38

    I'm not sure what you mean by the first part - that Dean's issues are more serious than Sam's.  I agree that communicating works both ways.  My comment was in response to the previous one that suggested Sam should be asking about Dean right now.  Sam is still hallucinating and his head is obviously still scrambled (hence the cake/pie scene).  Is the expectation really that Sam should be taking care of Dean right now?

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  108. nellymendez8 October 2011 at 14:45

    i am agree with chris dean make a bad choice kill the boy mother she will teach another way to fed now what he will became a killer with one purpose hunting him is like the vampire episode he wants to kill her and sam makes him change his mind because she makes a promise and she keep it dean had some trust issuse and he will pay the price for that.

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  109. Charly8 October 2011 at 14:54

    Wrong or right? Not sure about that but either way, Dean killing Amy just made season 7 even more interesting. If Sam finds out... Ouch.

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  110. keithfan8 October 2011 at 15:39

    Another awesome episode last night! I loved seeing Colin Ford again and he has certainly grown up in the last couple of years! I enjoyed the way the flashbacks between then and now took place. I was thinking that maybe Bobby was not really Bobby, too, at the beginning, but there is no way that our beloved Bobby would become a monster. At the end of the show, I thought maybe after Dean had killed Amy, that maybe Sam was going to appear at the door instead of Jacob, especially after Dean had said that he trusted Sam on this issue. Also, I thought maybe Sam would have an encounter with Luci when he went to the motel to get a room. I would have liked to have had more time with hospital Sam, but I understand that the boys had to get out as soon as possible. I guess in 3 weeks nothing happened, but it would have been nice to see what happened to the boys in their recovery. Great episode and looking forward to next week!

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  111. SN_gal8 October 2011 at 17:04

    Sam does lie and sneak out when he doesn't agree with Dean's call and secretly does what he wants.  He did it in Hunted and Unforgiven, and this time he just left, his injured brother all alone.  I don't consider "Back in a few Days" a note. 

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  112. SN_gal8 October 2011 at 17:10

    You think Dean should get the electric chair for killing Amy.   But you think its okay for Amy to have killed four people?  Isn't that contradictory.

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  113. denise8 October 2011 at 17:28

    So basically what your saying is.  Sam " Excuse excuse excuse" Dean " Fry him in the chair!"

    Sounds about right for some on here.

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  114. chris6848 October 2011 at 17:28

    Just rewatched the episode --

    Dean: "Sam's not a curve, he's a freakin' time bomb.  ... The other shoe's going to drop.  It's just a matter of when."

    Sam: "I see the way that you look at me, Dean.  Like I'm a grenade and you're waiting for me to go off.  I'm not going off.  I might be a freak, but that's not the same thing as dangerous."

    Dean (to Amy): "People, they are who they are.  No matter how hard you try. ... You will kill again .... Eventually the other shoe will drop."

    Me: "AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Other thoughts -

    - I thought the pacing was fine.  I'm glad the hospital moved along quickly, that made it more suspenseful.  The rest of the episode was a little slower, but they can't keep up the pace of the first couple of episodes throughout the whole season.

    - Liked the idea behind the sepia tone to the flashbacks, but I thought the flashback scenes were a little too bright.  Something more subdued would have worked better.

    - The way the victims were being picked off reminded me a little of Gabriel and his "just desserts."  I also remembered Dean letting him out of the ring of fire even though it was pretty obvious he could continue killing as the Trickster.

    - Sam struggling with the name Leviathan was the first clue he's not quite himself yet.  It had been three weeks since hearing the name.  With any other case he would have been on the Internet researching everything about them within three hours.

    - It's a little thing, but I just loved watching adult Sam interact with Amy.  Jared has so much expression. I really missed those small moments during the whole RoboSam arc and during the episodes when Sam is pushed to the background.

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  115. chris6848 October 2011 at 17:41

    I'd equate Sam slipping out to do his own thing in Hunted and Unforgiven with Dean lying to Sam about what he was doing with Bobby in Lazarus Rising (I believe he told Sam they were out getting drinks, when he actually planned to summon the thing that pulled him out of Hell), or Dean lying to Sam and slipping away in 99 Problems when he planned to say yes to Michael.  I wish they both would communicate better, but I understand the need to sometimes do your own thing.  This was different.  Dean lied to Sam and then went off to kill a friend of Sam's.  This is something that's not going to be easily forgiven.

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  116. SN_gal8 October 2011 at 17:45

    I was just pointing out Sam does it too when it suits his needs. 

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  117. chris6848 October 2011 at 17:55

    Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying.  *rolls eyes*

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  118. SN_gal8 October 2011 at 17:56

    Sam begged Dean to trust his judgment with Ruby and looked how that turned out.
    Cas begged Dean to trust his judgment with Crowley and look how that turned out. 
    Sam checked out from reality to the point where didn't even know Dean and Bobby were talking to him.
    Dean didn't want to trust his instincts about Cas betraying them but in the end he was right and Cas was working against him.
    Sam has Lucifer as a hunting buddy and admitted to still seeing him
    Then Sam sneaks out and can't be bothered to call or Text Dean to assure him that he was in full control of his faculties.

    As much as people like to ignore it, Sam isn't fully trustworthy when it come to his judgement right now, Its not about Sam the person, its about the issues he's facing.  

    Amy isn't exactly and innocent person.  She's a brain eating, serial killing monster.  Just because her victims weren't pillars of society doesn't mean they deserve to die. 

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  119. chris6848 October 2011 at 18:07

    I don't really think Dean should get the chair.  I was just noting that Sam's not going to be happy when he finds out, and that Dean's defense may be in Sam's hands when he finds out.  I never said it was OK for Amy to have killed people, but I don't think it's Dean's job to hand out the death penalty as punishment.  If he's protecting innocent people from a supernatural threat, that's one thing.  That's his job as a hunter. But I'm not sure that was what was going on here.

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  120. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 18:21

    So, as far as we know, Dean doesn't even know Dean's secret at this point?
    Must be one hell of a secret.

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  121. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 18:27

    I completely agree with this. 
    It was a really bold thing that Dean did, but for these very reasons, I can see why he did it, and while I was upset when he killed Amy but he was right when he said it was only  a matter of time.

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  122. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 18:35

    Well, what do you think his purpose for killing her was then? If he didn't act as a hunter, just as a murderer? I think they've killed other monsters for less than 4 deaths. 

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  123. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 18:50

    I don't think the actual reason he didn't kill the kid was because he got emotionally affected, I think it's because watching a main character run down a child and then kill it might be the most heinous thing you can think of doing and they didn't want to cause explosions in the fanbase. So I think they just wrote it out for Dean to tell him to attack when he's of age.

    Not justifying it, just saying do you really wanna have Dean butcher a kid even if he's a monster? They've pretty much avoided that as much as possible on this show (even with LIlith)... 

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  124. chris6848 October 2011 at 18:56

    Hunters kill things all the time. They justify it by saying they're saving people. If Amy wasn't a continued danger to society than Dean shouldn't have made the call to kill her. His job is to save people, not decide punishment. I think Dean's judgment was influenced by 90% emotion and 10% reason. He was bringing all of his old issues with Sam and his newer ones with Cas into it. Just look at the dialogue about expecting the other shoe to drop.

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  125. Wilson Crawford8 October 2011 at 18:58

    I think what this all comes down to is that 
    1) There's slight plot holes when it comes to demonic possessions in this show. (One week it's "save everybody" the next week it's "we can't save everyone!")
    2) The writers love betrayal. They eat that s*** up like Amy sucked on Brain juice.
    3) They intend to take things and make it very difficult for the brothers externally (meaning Leviathans, etc.) as well as internally (their bond is still being messed with instead of mended)...

    So, I guess we're just going to see this play out...

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  126. Folie-lex8 October 2011 at 19:13

    Loved it, but I really wish Dean hadn't killed Amy... I'm totally on Sam's side in this argument.
    And I do hate it that Dean is so absolute over the monster thing.

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  127. Bec6668 October 2011 at 19:28

    Dean LIED to Sam. He told him he trusted him and then he didn't. Dean is the one who always gets righteous about Sam lying to him and he does the same thing.

    And ok, Amy is a monster that should be killed. Explain to me why her Monster son got to live? Because he hadn't killed? Yeah cause mom did it for him. Now he's on his own, what? He's going to become a vegetarian?

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  128. hlnkid8 October 2011 at 21:40

    Killing Amy sets things up nicely for what we've heard about 7.4 in spoilers.  Just adds to the guilt that weighs on him.   Last night we saw the return of Hunter Dean.  How many times in SPN first 2-3 seasons did Dean basically tell Sam, it's a monster, it has to be killed.  This was a return to that, although I'm sure he will question himself about it. 

    However funny thing about Amy, when Sam found her at first, she appeared to be in the process of going after another victim, but later told Sam she was done killing.  Soooooo...hmm.... 

    Anyway, I love Dean's spiral right now.   Everything's becoming too much and now, he can't really even trust his hunter instincts anymore. 
    Sam on the other hand is finally coming to terms with things after a long battle.  What he is, how he can handle it...Sammy's growing up!  :)

    Wonderful progression in character for both so far this year.  One spiraling downward and the other finding some strength to help himself overcome Hell.  Looking forward to more!

    And hats off to Jensen for a fabulous directing job for a very difficult ep to do, with all the flashbacks and having also to act in the ep.  Great job!!!

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  129. ScKow8 October 2011 at 22:15

    Great episode. I really like it when the boys' past gets mixed into the story.
    The kid was pretty badass

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  130. Shaula Dfn8 October 2011 at 22:17

    I think it'll be something really, really bad. That will tear the brothers apart again, by the middle or end of the season (Sadly... And I confess that I'm very pessimistic since last night episode crushed my Brotherly-love squee)


    Here the part about the secret... It's from AOL set visit.



    The Season 7 synopsis said something like, "Dean struggles under the
    weight of a secret that threatens to tear them apart." Does that relate
    to the trial, or is it something separate?

    JA: That's something separate.



    Can you tease anything about it?

    JA: [vehemently shakes his head] You know why? Because I don't know. They tease me just as much as they tease you!

    [Note: There is another secret that Ackles does know about that is
    touched upon in this week's episode, but expect that to be resolved
    fairly quickly.]

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  131. SuePo8 October 2011 at 22:49

    I might agree with you if she was a 'she'. But she wasn't. She was a monster. She killed people. It doesn't matter if they're good or bad people. Who knows if the 'bad' people had a family? Who knows if the 'bad' people were doing what they did because they had not other choice. Maybe they had a sick kid at home too. We can't speculate the maybe's and what ifs. Amy was a monster and she killed humans. I don't see why Dean needed any reason beyond that.

    And it was Sam that was too close. He felt he owed her. He let his emotional response rule. Dean did not. No he didn't know her enough to judge her as a person. He judged her as a hunter judges any monster. Dean didn't let Lenore go, he had a bigger problem AKA Gordon at the time and Sam took her out. Sam let her go. Dean didn't interfere. And Lenore wasn't killing people. Whether she had before or not, is irrelevant. She wasn't when they met her. Amy was. 

    I understand if some people want to read more into this than was there, but if you look at it in plain black and white terms. Dean killed a monster. I respect your personal beliefs about the future intentions of the character, but those are your beliefs. Nothing in the show supports or refutes that belief, but that is all it is. Dean, as a pragmatic, experienced hunter who has seen countless numbers of monsters act as monsters do, did what needed to be done. Everything else about Amy is pure speculation on the part of the viewer. And I suspect a lot of emotional response is ruling that speculation just like Sam.

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  132. SuePo8 October 2011 at 22:54

    Dean asked the kid if he had someone to go to. The kid nodded. So he has a place to go and someone to help him. Dean's not heartless. He didn't know the kid was there when he killed Amy, and he's obviously giving the kid a chance to take a different road. He assumed Amy would kill again because she already had. The kid hadn't. He's still as close to human as a monster can be.

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  133. SuePo8 October 2011 at 22:57

    True. You'd think after trying so hard to get Dean to talk before, the guy finally admitting he wasn't OK would warrant an "I got your message" at least. Even if only to embarrass him. Bobby was off.

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  134. SuePo8 October 2011 at 23:00

    He asked the kid if he had someone to go to and the kid nodded yes. I think he let the kid go for a couple reasons a) no one wants Dean to kill a kid and I don't think they'd go there on this show. and b) he asked if the kid had killed yet and the kid said the only one he was going to kill was Dean. Dean took that as a no. He couldn't kill a monster (especially a kid monster) that hadn't done anything yet. He's hoping the kid keeps his word and only comes after him. If that happens, Dean will kill him if he has to, but not until he does something to be killed for.

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  135. Felidae828 October 2011 at 23:56

    I really liked that episode with the funny moments ;) Dean on the floor, Dean and the cake... Sam gets punched^^ But I had some problems with the end, Dean killing Amy seemd at first out of character and totally unnecessary but on a second thought I guess it was the right thing to do! I can understand that Dean has trouble to trust Sam after everything... and if Amy killed once she will do it again, what if her son would get sick again? It was still sad , she had to die!

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  136. Wilson Crawford9 October 2011 at 00:13

    Well damn, I missed that one completely. :O
    Thanks for sharing.

    I'm not entirely happy about this secret thing. Maybe it'll work out to be a good plot device, but it better not be something really stupid, because so far season 7 is on fire, and it's already miles better than season 6. 

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  137. Nikita Ahn9 October 2011 at 00:30

    He asked if the kid had a place to go, but not if that place was somewhere where he would be provided non-live food.  He didn't clarify any details at all.  Like I said before, Amy was obviously trying very hard to be "normal" and fly under the radar, and she was very unlike the usual monsters, so it seems pretty obvious that she wouldn't be hanging out with others of her kind (also they mentioned that kitsunes were "pretty rare").  Just because the kid has somewhere to GO doesn't mean he has someone who can feed him or who knows what he is.  He's given the kid chance, as you say, but he hasn't given him the MEANS.  He's taken away his only source of food.  

    And Dean and Sam kill ALL THE TIME.  Yes, it's monsters instead of people, but what about witches?  They're human, but Dean and Sam weigh their actions against the greater good and take them out.  They decide that they're bad and dangerous people doing bad things, and that innocent people's lives and well-being are worth more than the lives of the witches or monsters they hunt.  How is what Amy did any different?  She weighed the life of her innocent child (which you yourself admit is innocent) against the lives of people doing bad things (and I'm sorry, but a drug dealer manipulating an addict into prostituting herself is not simply someone in a "bad situation" as you mentioned in your other reply to me, he's a BAD PERSON).  She was put in the position of having to choose between two lives, judged one to be worth more than the others because it was innocent, and took action.  It's pretty much what Sam and Dean do all the time.  She'd proved for over a decade that she didn't want to kill and could sustain herself without doing it - she had the means, the motivation, and the track record to back it up.  Dean could have simply given her a "we're watching you, you don't get any more chances" speech.

    Either way I suppose we have to agree to disagree. 

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  138. Bec6669 October 2011 at 00:51

    So Dean just waits and 'hopes' he doesn't kill someone.. Isn't that like Sam hoping Amy doesn't kill again after giving her word. Dean has no more assurance the kid won't kill, especially not that he is on his own, than he did Amy WOULD kill. Yet he didn't blink at killing her and lying to Sam. Mr. Righteous that always shoved lying in Sam's face just lied to Sam and didn't even blink when doing it.

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  139. Shaula Dfn9 October 2011 at 01:19

    You're welcome. :)

    I don't like it at all period, to be honest. Season 7 looks so awesome, they don't need the brothers keep things from each other just to break them apart at some point. It's stupid and not something I would ever want to see on the show again.

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  140. Bec6669 October 2011 at 01:26

    You said it perfectly

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  141. SuePo9 October 2011 at 02:14

    Wow. The difference is that the kid has never killed anyone. Amy did. Pretty simple.

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  142. SuePo9 October 2011 at 02:21

    I agree. Sam didn't want to kill Amy, but he's not going to hate Dean for doing it. Dean didn't really want to either. How many monsters has he apologized to while killing them? I think people are humanizing her to the point that she's become a person instead of a monster. And you're right, Dean puts the safety of humans first. It's his job. Well put.

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  143. SuePo9 October 2011 at 02:27

    Me either. It seemed perfectly in character to me and exactly what a hunter should do. People see what they want to see I guess. Just be prepared to duck! :)

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  144. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8679 October 2011 at 02:34

    LOL
    I will be! :)

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  145. Bec6669 October 2011 at 02:58

    Wow pretty simple is right. The kid is a monster, just like mom. To quote Dean, sooner or later the other shoe drops, it always does.

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  146. SuePo9 October 2011 at 03:05

    They're hunters, not social workers. I don't think finding out where the kid went and his living conditions was on the agenda. Dean didn't kill him because he hadn't done anything to be killed for. It's now up to the kid what path he choses. 

    And you believe Amy killing people -- what you consider bad people -- is okay because she was doing it for what she deemed a good reason? Seriously? So you would be okay going out and killing a drug dealer to get $$ for your innocent child for an operation or something? Yes, we will agree to disagree on that.

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  147. Nikita Ahn9 October 2011 at 03:40

    I realize that they're not social workers, but seeing as Dean was KILLING HIS MOM and orphaning him, I think maybe he should have put a little more thought into how, exactly, the kid was supposed to eat.  My point is that he may have TURNED a kid who wasn't killing into a monster that HAS TO kill to eat.  You still haven't answered the issue of where, exactly this kid is supposed to get food if Dean has taken his only source of non-living food.  Considering that Dean made himself judge, jury, and executioner, you don't think he maybe should have given even a MOMENT of thought to where that left the kid?  

    And I certainly NEVER said it was "okay" that Amy kill - only that it was comparable to some of the things that the Winchesters themselves have done. I mean, Sam drained that possessed nurse to drink her blood - and yet Dean didn't kill him on the assumption that he would do it again.  Do you seriously see NOTHING wrong with Dean killing Amy and leaving her child alone to find his way to "someone" (god only knows who), and Dean leaving her kid with basically no choice but to start killing to eat?  Not to mention the fact that he routinely bitches at Sam for lying or going behind his back, then lies right to Sam's face, goes behind his back, and stabs someone he considered a friend.

    What it boils down to for me is this:  Either Dean believes that they are monsters that are destined to kill no matter what, or he believes that they have free will and can choose not to kill.  If he believes that they will kill no matter what, he should have killed the kid as well as Amy - otherwise he's left a kid with no choice but to start killing (as his food source is gone) and he's doomed future victims by letting a monster go.  If he believes that they have free will and the ability to control themselves, then he shouldn't have killed Amy because she only killed to save her family (which Dean would do in a heartbeat) and she had a pattern of living without killing in addition to swearing not to do it again (and Sam, who knows her better than Dean, asked Dean to trust her).  

     I realize YOU think that Sam was too close to the matter, but I disagree.  He acted completely calm and rational the whole time he was dealing with her, and he initially went to kill her when he realized she was killing people.  When she escaped (NOT killing Sam even though she could have, BTW) Sam tracked her down to kill her AGAIN.  He showed a willingness to kill her, twice, when he thought she was a threat.  He wasn't hysterical or even particularly emotional seeming - he seemed even-keeled and calm throughout.  He only let her go after he understood the situation and her motivations.  Dean shouldn't have gone behind his back.

    But whatever.  I'm not interested in arguing about it anymore.

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  148. Nikita Ahn9 October 2011 at 03:55

    Exactly.  I realize some people seem to think that Dean is perfectly excused in killing Amy and that is was some rational and cool-headed act, but I agree with you that it was more out of a sense of pessimism and emotional numbing than logical thought.  I'm also really bothered by the fact that he destroyed the kid's only source of non-living food and then just left him to figure out how to survive - that kid's going to kill to eat, and then his victims will be on Dean's head because a.) Dean took his food source b.) Dean let him go knowing what he was.  

    Dean and Sam also hunt witches, which are HUMAN, because they're doing bad things and hurting people.  Amy was killing people who were doing bad things and hurting people as well (not excusing it, just saying...).  And Sam drained that nurse when he was going up against Lilith, knowing that there was a human girl in there (possibly even a human who was awake and aware, if you believe that the demon really "let her out" rather than just acting) - Dean never suggested that they kill Sam, despite all the blood drinking and killing the nurse.

    The betrayal of Sam's trust really gets to me, too.  Both brothers have done some bad things and betrayed one another in the past, but for some reason some people seem to be having trouble admitting that Dean wasn't completely in the right here.  I love Dean, and I'm not condemning him, but we can admit that he did something wrong without bashing his character I think.  It seems like some of the same people that were so upset and judgmental about the spoilers of Sam "running away again" in this episode are giving Dean a free pass for betraying Sam and lying to him, which seems like a double standard.  I hate it when BOTH the boys lie to each other!  

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  149. chris6849 October 2011 at 04:37

    I agree with you. I think Sam's comment about what they do, not being simple, sums it up best. The. Winchesters always create more problems than the ones the hope to solve, and I'm sure this will prove to be no different.

    I'm trying not to judge here, but the thing that stuck me most was looking at the wording Dean used with Bobby about Sam, and comparing that to the wording he uses with Amy (about not being able to change what you are and the other shoe dropping). It's psychological transferance. He's transferring his feelings about Sam to Amy, but the most disturbing part is that Dean saw the solution as killing her. Does he still want to kill Sam in some subconscious level?

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  150. Nikita Ahn9 October 2011 at 05:15

    Agreed.  That IS disturbing and does seem to be a pretty clear case of transference or projection.  And given all the issues with Sam and the demon blood (both the blood in him and his addiction), Soulless!Sam, Sam's powers (which I keep hoping will come back some day!), there's a lot of ambiguity about Sam being ENTIRELY human etc.  I think he is, and I love him dearly, but he sometimes skirts pretty close to that line and Dean is usually the first one to point that out.  Combined with the whole "save him or kill him" theme, it just seems sort of.. I don't know, hypocritical? to see all "monsters" as 100% evil and deserving of death, when the Winchesters live SO CLOSE to that live themselves.  They've BOTH done some really morally questionable things in the name of "the bigger picture" or saving their family/the world/innocents, and yet when Amy does pretty much the same thing, Dean decides without even speaking to her that she has to die.  It just smacks of arrogance and poor mental health.

    I'm worried about what you mentioned, the transferrence and the language that he uses for both Sam and Amy.  :(

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  151. Mekina9 October 2011 at 05:50

    I really enjoyed it, but Dean is really starting to irritate me. He won't trust Sam, he won't even give him a chance! And he went back and killed Amy. Grr. Douchey thing to do, Dean. I knew he wouldn't be able to kill the kid though. Dean couldn't do that. (And besides kids don't die on this show. Do they? I don't ever remember one dying. They're safe from killed off. Unlike women. The curse of Supernatural, hoho.) Total Kill Bill thing there, by the way. Did anyone else see that? 

    Colin Ford is adorable. I love him as young Sam. Jensen's directing was great. Not quite as good as the first two episodes of this season, but still damn good.

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  152. MeatyStakes9 October 2011 at 05:58

    I hate to see Dean so dead on the inside and with trust issues that have trust issues, but it makes sense. 
    I mean, Amy might have had the best reasons to kill again (save her son) but in the end, she was killing people (and not even necesarily bad people, the drunk guy? I don't think he deserved to die)Sam isn't the most trustworthy person at all and he kinda pushes the little trust that Dean has regained in him with such escapades, and it's maybe because Sam knows that Dean doesn't trusts him wholly.But at the same time, If Dean has becomed so jaded and cynical, I wonder whats left of him at this point. Hopefully next ep will shed some light on it.

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  153. MeatyStakes9 October 2011 at 06:02

    yeah, but the first shoe hasn't dropped.

    That's the point that Dean was making, once you cross the line, as much as you want it, there's no way back.

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  154. MeatyStakes9 October 2011 at 06:19

    Kinda underwhelming, the right elements where there, but it was like no-one was all in. The ep could have used more emotional leverage, it could have been more heartbreaking, the story had potential, but it fell flat. It was not quite there.

    Dean had to kill Amy, she went into killing so easyly, not even remorsefully, like doing it for her child made her righteous and it was all she needed. She didn't cared about the people she killed, not really, she didn't had any qualms about killing people, she didn't even tried to will just scum, she wasn't even trying hard. She just dropped the "I'm doing it for my son" thing and expected to be enough.

    It isn't

    But she was the one that ahd to pay, not her son, cause his first shoe hadn't dropped yet, he hadn't crossed the lone yet. And if and when he comes to kill Dean, it con't be out of hunger, it would be out of revenge, and I think Dean is okay with that. Pretty Beatrix Kiddo of him.

    That doesn't mean that I like him, I understand his reasoning, but it makes him so jaded that is depressing. Season 7 has been really depressing so far, i'd like to know if there's light at the other side of the tunnel for the guys. Sam might have a way out, but Dean, each episode convinces me that he is just waiting for death to come, not seeking it, but just knowing that it's the only thing looking forward for him. He just seems so hopeless and cynical, and a final blaze of glory looks like the only way he could end now. Death is his gift.

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  155. Lady Oni9 October 2011 at 06:28

    Loved the ep, but am seriously torn on who was right or wrong I see both sides.

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  156. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8679 October 2011 at 06:34

    I also noticed that Dean used the same phrasing when talking to Sam that he did when explaining why he had to kill Amy. I also saw that transferring about Sam to Amy, but I couldn't quite explain it. Your explanation is right on, and now I know the exact reason why the ending seemed so dark to me. As I watched it, I noticed the transferring from Sam to Amy. That is worrisome...

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  157. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8679 October 2011 at 07:01

    After looking through every post, I'm guessing the writers did this on purpose. They purposefully put two sides to the story, reasons why Dean was right and reasons why he was wrong. By doing this, fans start to discuss and share their opinions, and I for one am very curious as to what everybody thinks. I loved everyone's take on the ending, and their reasons for it. This in itself is a success with the writers as they allowed the episode to create controversy. I believe that Dean was completely in character killing Amy, but at the same time I completely understand the other side of the conversation.
    If the writers did this on purpose, which I think they did, then they are geniuses in my opinion.

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  158. bluestarlit9 October 2011 at 09:01

    I completely agree with you but hate that Dean went behind Sam's back. I no Dean is going to hate himself for what he has done. Sam sneaking out to go on a hunt solo  leaving his brother & Bobby to worry was just as uncool. Both these guys need to trust each other more. After all they have been through they really should try  more honesty .

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  159. annisa ridhany9 October 2011 at 10:34

    Was it only me who didn't care with DEAN KILLED AMY??? Well... she's monster, guys... there's no guarantee that she wouldn't kill people anymore. Remember ruby's case... Dean believe her just because Sam said so, and he didn't want to trapped for the second time...

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  160. annisa ridhany9 October 2011 at 10:42

    Great!!!! I love your comment!! nobody could gave him a guarantee that SHE WOULDN'T KILL Anymore!! We don't know that this girl wouldn't turn like Ruby girl...

    people were not angry to Dean because he killed Amy, it's because he didn't trust Sam.. Am I right?

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  161. Manto Tzefriou9 October 2011 at 14:23

    Glad to see that Sam hasn't changed and is still an a*hole towards his brother. I find it rich of him to ask from Dean to trust him when in the same episode his "good judgement" resulted in leaving Dean alone, in an isolated cabin, with a leg cast and no way to get around if necessary (like for food or escape from the Leviathans that were after them). Yeah, Sam that was so considerate and smart. /sarcasm God, what an idiot.

    I find it funny that almost everyone forgot about this one in their haste to criticise Dean for going behind Sam's back. In the same freaking episode Sam gave him yet another reason not to trust him. Sam was lucky he only got punched in the face. If it were me, I would have taken the keys and left Sam to fend for himself for the foreseeable future, but Dean is a better person than I am. I would have abandoned Sam a long time ago.

    What I find even more funny is almost everyone getting their panties in a twist over Dean killing a monster. What was different with this monster than all the other monsters the kill in every episode. Just because she was pretty, was a mother or because we know her sob story? 

    If there was an out of character move from Dean in this whole episode was that he killed the monster with the door open, but that was obviously a set up for the convo with the son.

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  162. chris6849 October 2011 at 15:12

    Oh, come on. Dean has never been defenseless, and a leg cast isn't going to do it. He also wasn't really alone because Bobby was nearby and reachable by phone. Dean obviously had some means of getting around or else how did he get to the store and motel?

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  163. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:03

    I don't blame Sam for doing it when Dean had a leash around Sam's neck tighter than a choke collar. Sam's an adult. He's not a child nor is he Dean's child.

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  164. Bec6669 October 2011 at 18:05

    Ok Dean won't kill the kid cause the kid hasn't killed anyone. That's your argument right? So why in Season 3 in the episode Fresh Blood, did they kill the first female Vampire Lucy. She hadn't killed anyone, they got to her before she did. Dean told her she was a vampire and bam, beheaded her. A bit of a double standard isn't it?

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  165. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:07

    I want to know this too. Also, people seem to forget that Dean let "Lucky" go back in Season 6 in the All Dogs Go To Heaven episode, and didn't Lucky kill a few people himself, if not more? Funny how that works...

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  166. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:11

    But don't you think Dean would've been smarter in realizing that this kid just watched a hunter kill his mother right in front of his own two eyes? This kid is going to have to kill in order to survive since Mom the mortician is no longer able to get his food source for him. Not only that, but I easily see this kid becoming an angry, vengeful monster and probably wanting to kill just to ease the pain of the loss of his mom a little bit more, and eventually that kid will come after Dean. Dean made even more of a mess not killing the kid. That kid is gonna kill to survive and to get revenge. He should've ganked that kid when he had the chance, because in the end the child is no different than Amy, regardless if he's killed yet or not, he WILL kill. I reiterate; Dean made even more of a mess.

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  167. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:18

    Wow, you're really observant.... *facepalm*

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  168. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:27

    What about Lucky back in Season 6? He killed how many people and Dean let him go and he didn't even have a reason TO live unlike Amy who had a son.

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  169. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:32

    *shows up long enough to love you* ♥♥♥

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  170. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:47

    The quotes you bring up here, chris... are horribly HORRIBLY unsettling to me...

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  171. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 18:48

    I just laughed through your whole comment... EDG extraordinaire, aren't you? ROFLMAO!!!

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  172. Bec6669 October 2011 at 18:48

    Exactly!

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  173. Bec6669 October 2011 at 18:50

    *slams head into wall...*

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  174. Debbie Combs9 October 2011 at 19:53

    Sam and Bobby were the ones that didn't trust Castiel. Not Dean. He had to have it blatantly proved to him before he would believe that Castiel was working with Crowley. His instincts were off there. Sam and Bobby were on target.

    Just because Sam is checking out occasionally right now, there is no reason to believe that his judgement is impaired unless you are asking "Is there a bloody torture rack over there?" Then, Sam's judgement may be suspect.

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  175. Debbie Combs9 October 2011 at 20:03

    Plus, soul-less Sam was ready to kill Lucky, but Lucky escaped. Soul-less Sam wouldn't have let him go, but Dean did.

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  176. MeatyStakes9 October 2011 at 20:05

    Because kids are innocent or some crap like that :D. No, but really, I', pretty sure that Lucy was hunting already, even if she didn't remebered.

    I don't have the episode but I'm almost sure of it.

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  177. SammyWsGirl9 October 2011 at 20:07

    Uhuh. That's my point. He let Lucky go when he should've killed him if Dean's whole thing is "it's a monster, it killed people, it needs to die." He let Lucky go, but he killed Amy? Hmm...

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  178. MeatyStakes9 October 2011 at 20:11

    Sorry, but I don't think so. The choice is up to the kid now, he could dig out fresh corpses if he is hungry and I liked the idea that even monsters have a choice. Amy took the easy way out, maybe his son will know better and find a way to live long enough to kill Dean.

    It was cleary a judgement call, of principles, not an excersise on rationale and ramifications for Dean. It's simplistic, but I found it valid, and suiting.

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  179. comicfangirl9 October 2011 at 20:48

    And what did each and every monster (Lenore, Crowley) do, that Dean let go? Turned on him, wasn't worthy of the trust put in them.

    So its really not surprising that Dean falls back to old habits: It's either them or us.
    That's not out of character, that's Dean Winchester, hunter of the supernatural. Period.

    About damn time we got the real Dean back. It's about time we are reminded what it means to be a hunter, no more the sissy chick-flick season 6 crap, we're back in the field against an enemy who impossible to kill. All this second thoughts blah aside, it is either them or us.
    So zero tolerance is the only game in town.


     

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  180. comicfangirl9 October 2011 at 20:51

    I absolutely agree, third 10/10 episode in a row.
    Can't wait for the next episode.  

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  181. Bec6669 October 2011 at 20:55

    No, Lucy hadn't killed. They followed her from the bar. When they caught here she didn't even know she was a vampire. She thought it was drugs. Dean chopped her head off because she was a vampire and evil things are to be killed. Unless they are kids apparently.

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  182. Supernatural_Loving_Fan8679 October 2011 at 20:57

    Lucy was hunting and she almost killed someone, and if Sam and Dean hadn't come she would have killed the guy. It's also not clear if she had killed before as well. As for the alternative that she can learn to control it and drink animal blood, it took Lenore and her pack a while to get used to that. How the heck are Sam and Dean supposed to explain everything and then say, "OK, you can go, just don't kill!" It makes no sense. She would have just fed again...

    However, about the kid, I think I might have to agree and disagree. He's going to kill to eat, and he has no access to dead people, but at the other side of the argument, he's a kid and he hasn't killed yet. If Dean killed him, then that would be too cold, and the fan base would be shocked. Dean has never killed a kid before.

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  183. denise9 October 2011 at 21:09

    And as usual, I get nothing but pissy comments from what I said. The person come out and said he/she wanted Dean to get the chair and I get the nasty replies. I guess here at this site if you want to defend your favorite character it's only allowed if that happens to be Sam.

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  184. Carolina Daza León9 October 2011 at 21:43

    I am sorry, but for me Dean was the murderer in this episode, not the hero. I can understand why he did it, specially after the Ruby fiasco, but I don't accept it. I think its hypocritical, considering that his own brother was a monster without soul for some time... I actually hate that Sam is the only person for whom Dean would step out of his "principles". For example, he was willing to kill Cass when he went mad, if it would have been Sam, it would have been "We have to save him, make him good again" not "We have to kill him". Its sad that the message from this episode was "You can't change who you are". I love Dean, but in this episode I was monster's team.

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  185. Deangirl9 October 2011 at 21:44

    Ok, had to read everything  before I commented.   I came out of this episode originally tearing my hair out, but now that I've read all these comments I have to agree with whoever it was that said the writers did a briliant job...they got us all thinking and talking, in a BIG way!   Bravo to them for that!

    Now on to the details...

    1.) Bobby had a suit on because by then he knew the boys were in the hospital and he had to get them out so he went into one of his aliases...not really a big leap there.  No, he's not a Leviathin.

    2.) As for the whole killing Amy thing...let's not forget, no matter how sweet her childhood romance with Sam was she's still A MONSTER.  She's NOT human.  Big difference.  From that perspective, then, yes, Dean was just doing his job.  She was a monster, she was killing, he's a hunter...you stop the evil things, that's what you do.   That said...

    3.) Then why the hell wouldn't you kill the kid too?  He too was a monster, not a human.  There's probably some merit to the whole not wanting show him killing a kid idea...they avoided doing that with Lilith, but are we all forgetting the Changelings back in Season 3?  They were all kids and they all got killed at the end...all of them.  Granted, they died when Sam and Dean killed the mommy Changeling, but still...there was kid killing precedent and, don't forget, HE WASN'T ACTUALLY A KID...he was a monster!!!

    4.) The whole "the only one I'll be kililng is you" thing is being taken WAY out of perspective.  Again...Amy and her son were both monsters, they were both going to kill eventually, it's just their nature to do.   Do you really think the kid would seriously not kill anyone but Dean?  Please!  He's got to eat to live, doesn't he?   And Amy was more than willing to kill to save her kid...there was no reason to think she wouldn't have done it again for another reason.

    Now all of that might make it sound like I'm justifying what Dean did...guess again!   I understand why he killed Amy and don't disagree with that but the issue here isn't really his killing her, it's his betraying Sam's trust.  And that's the part of the whole episode that had me doing the aforementioned hair tearing...I am SO freaking sick of this whole "one brother not trusting the other" bullshit.   Sera promised that the brother's were coming back together this season...she said they were stripping away everything they had and leaving them with only each other to rely on.  Well how the hell are they supposed to do that with all this emotional baggage between them?  It's frustrating the hell out of me!

    I love Dean to pieces...love both the boys...but he really needs to get his head out of his ass and remember what REALLY matters...family.  I thought we were seeing him get back to that last season as he fought to get Sam's soul back but now just when they were about at the point of putting things back together, we have Cas' betrayal and the rug is pulled out from under them again.  Well you know what, Dean, life ain't perfect and we all have to deal with a lot of crap, but it's not all your fault or your brother's and you need to realize that, pronto, and start working WITH Sam again and not against him!

    I'm sorry but I want my kick ass Season One Dean back!  I actually love the chick flick stuff but Dean has been chick flicked to the point of needing to be fitted for a dress and that's just SO not right.  Could we PLEASE get our guys back now?  They've got Leviathins to fight, they need to do it TOGETHER!

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  186. Bec6669 October 2011 at 21:57

    Gotta agree DG. The emo Dean is so NOT working. Give me the brothers back, the way they used to be.

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  187. chris6849 October 2011 at 22:17

    I really liked your comment, even though I'm not 100% in agreement in the part about it being right to kill Amy.  Had Sam and Dean looked at the situation objectively and decided it was the right thing to do, then I would have supported it, but it felt like Dean came to the decision because he was projecting a lot of old emotional baggage with Sam onto Amy.  I felt he did the same thing with Cas.  As soon as he found out Cas had been lying, he saw it as Sam Part II and wouldn't even listen to him.  And even though I saw it coming, my mouth just dropped at watching Dean so coldly lie to Sam about something that was so personal to Sam.  I hope they get a lot of these trust issues out of the way in the next few episodes because it really does weigh things down.  I want to see them kick some Leviathan butt together.

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  188. Bec6669 October 2011 at 22:26

    I apologize, I think you misunderstood my comment (which was deleted). I was slamming my head because of the Sam VS. Dean part of it. I have never and will never understand why posters think they have to take sides and pick one brother over the other. I fell in love with the show BECAUSE of both brothers. The two of them together. I hate, hate, hate episodes when one or the other is written out. Do I favor Sam? Yeah but not in the show, I just loved his puppy dog eyes. That said the show would flat out SUCK if one of them wasn't in it. I'm not a Dean girl OR a Sam girl. I'm a Supernatural Girl.

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  189. Wilson Crawford9 October 2011 at 23:01

    "Do you have someone to go to?"
    "Yes"

    That's how they solved it.
    I prefer that to Dean hunting down a child even if it is a monster.

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  190. Wilson Crawford9 October 2011 at 23:07

    I see your point but "if Amy wasn't a continued danger to society" -- that was exactly Dean's reasoning. Amy never liked killing, never wanted to, and she lasted a while without killing but she still did it. Four times... She'd proven even when she had lessened intention to kill, just to sustain her child she'd have to kill others to keep them alive. Now my personal opinion is that Dean shouldn't have killed her, but I don't think that his decision was totally out of the question. Of course throwing the trust out the window is the part that gets to me.

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  191. Wilson Crawford9 October 2011 at 23:10

    I guess time will tell, won't it?
    It's not like every single viewer is analyzing every action by every character to determine if one's a mole, right?

    Oh yeah, actually that IS what we're doing :)

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  192. Wilson Crawford9 October 2011 at 23:15

    You're not the only one. I suppose only one of the few apparently.

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  193. chris6849 October 2011 at 23:18

    The Amy question was a gray area.  As I just posted elsewhere, if Sam and Dean had looked at this together and decided Amy was still a threat to society and should be killed, then I would have supported it. But I thought Dean was bringing in way too much emotional baggage into his decision-making process and that Sam's assessment was better - Amy didn't want to kill and wouldn't have if her family's life wasn't in danger, and the Winchesters would have made the same decision as Amy under the same circumstances - they would have chosen to save family over the lives of bad people.

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  194. Mia49410 October 2011 at 00:01

    It was a pleasant episode and the flashbacks were absolutely lovely, but it wasn't as mind blowing and awesome as the first two.

    First of all, I think they managed to get out of that hospital WAY too easily. Actually, there could have been an entire episode about them and the Leviathans chasing each other around the hospital, possibly with more patients/doctors/monsters included. Maybe even police. I know I'd write an episode like this before going into a regular MOTW stuff.

    I absolutely loved the Sam flashbacks. I adore the kid who plays young Sam (Colin Ford, I believe?) and from a cute child he's become a cute teenager. Hope to see more of him in the future.

    I LOVED the little scenes with the pie and Dean getting rid of his plaster cast :P

    About the end... well. As I said elsewhere, the only thing I didn't like is that they turned it into a "Dean doesn't trust Sam" thing. Killing Amy itself I totally get. He was right, she would kill again sooner or later.  The first time her kid would get sick, she'd do it again. So yeah, as difficult as killing a "good monster" is, I understand it. He didn't kill the kid because he hasn't killed anyone yet. So he only kills those who kill people. Fair enough for me.

    And yeah, now I want SPN to last for many more seasons so we can see the kid come back for his revenge ;)

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  195. Deangirl10 October 2011 at 00:11

    Oh believe me I agree that they should have talked it out first, that's what I mean about Dean betraying Sam's trust and that it was the part that bugged me the worst.  Dean should definitely not have just taken matters into his own hands.  That's the part where I thought he was really wrong.

    But it doesn't change the fact that Amy was a monster and she was killing people and stopping her was the right thing to do.  This show has been full of instances where people did the right thing even when it seemed wrong or did the wrong thing for the right reasons.  Nobody's  perfect.  But the whole point of the ending of Season 4 is that it's the guy's humanity that is their real strength and I just feel like by refusing to trust each other they are losing sight of that humanity and I absolutely HATE that.

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  196. Manto Tzefriou10 October 2011 at 00:40

    Instead of laughing you could offer a counter argument or, even better, not reply at all to my comment if you have nothing productive to say to me. 

    Also you are a big hypocrite. I've read many of your comments. Whenever someone calls you a Samgirl or an ESG you immediately start screaming that the poster doesn't know you and tell him not to presume to know anything about you. So I'd thank you to extend me the same courtesy. I'll flag your comment and I don't care if mine is deleted too. Next time you want to reply to any of my comments do so in a less inflammatory manner and offer something within the topic of the show, not about me.  

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  197. Supernatural_Loving_Fan86710 October 2011 at 00:49

    But they didn't let Lucky go. He was wounded and Soulless!Sam came over to shoot him, but he got away. The next scene is Lucky knocking on the door, being rejected, and then leaving.

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  198. SammyWsGirl10 October 2011 at 00:59

    You see, the difference between me and you is that you sit around and insult the character and are flat out nasty. I'm not. And as for me being called an ESG, that was one time and you wanna know something? It's done and over with. The argument was cleared up the day it happened because I actually have the common decency to NOT bash the characters. Your post isn't even worth the time or effort because all it is is just one big giant attack on Sam. Call me a hypocrite all you want. Flag me all you want. Call me a Sam girl all you want because guess what? I am a Sam girl. I won't deny that, but maybe if you could actually bother to post with some maturity and decency WITHOUT bashing the character, then I wouldn't be so tempted to laugh at the ridiculousness of your posts and call you out for it and maybe somebody would be more willing to have a proper debate with you in the future. There's my counter.

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  199. Elena Jacob10 October 2011 at 03:17

    Regardless, the issue in this episode was not whether or not he trusted the monster; it was whether or not he trusted Sam. And this episode proved that he still doesn't when we were supposed to be moving past all that. For me, that was the biggest disappointment because all of season 6 and the first two episodes of season 7 were rebuilding that trust. And then suddenly Dean decides he doesn't trust Sam when we spent all that time starting to fix it? That was so major of a step backwards that Dean stepped out of character. And again, the monster wasn't so much the problem. The problem was that he wouldn't trust Sam.

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  200. Supernatural_Loving_Fan86710 October 2011 at 05:11

    I didn't see his actions as a shout out that he doesn't trust Sam. Dean told Sam that he trusted him, and I think he meant it. The fact that he went behind Sam's back wasn't, in my opinion, saying that he truly didn't trust Sam, but saying that a monster is a monster and he had to kill it. For whatever reason, whether it be that be Amy already killed, that she's a monster and he's a hunter, or that Dean is messed up at the moment and had to hunt something to stay sane, he killed her.
    Yes, in some ways it was wrong, but in other ways it was right. In the end, I think the last scene was a message about where Dean is right now as a person, and not what he thought about Sam. It was already established in the second half of Season 6 and even at the finale in Season 5 that Dean was starting to trust Sam again.

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