I love this show! Knew Tate was a ghost! And someone on Tumblr guessed he might be the old lady's one "perfect child". But really, Addy said she saw something and then your tortured her in the mirror closet? Really?
Having had someone break into my place, the first thing I do is NOT run directly to the alarm to turn it off. That read as all kinds of wrong to me. Only if it had a direct connection with the alarm company and he told them "someone is in the house" or similar.... Then it would have made sense.
A lot of the dialog still feels unnatural to me - just written for effect.
So this week's episode was inspired by The Crazies (or any number of other home invasion movies) while last week ran through half a dozen horror movies. It all seems like I've seen it all before, but done better.
Every character is just so unlikable to me and I can't connect to any of them. With so much of the writing so obvious and dialog just done for effect, every scene and episode plot is predictable and lacks suspense. If the writing were better I may be able to "enjoy the ride" despite knowing what will happen next from all the obvious foreshadowing Murphy layers on (the man is not aq fan of subtlety), but it all just seems so groundless and over-the-top that I can't buy in to any of it.
I guess this week was an improvement over last week, but that is like saying dying instantly is better than dying after lingering pain. Either way you will still be dead and either way this show is still bad.
A severe waste of a talented cast and while I am sad they are being wasted.... I'm glad I know I won't be watching anymore of the series after only 2 episodes! Most series take me longer to decide if they are worth my time.... not this one.
Honestly, I agree with alot of what you have to say about shows on here but this, I just can't agree with.
I'm not quite sure how you watch a show entitled "American Horror Story" and expect it to have excellent dialogue, taught pacing, and/or not be over the top. Say what you will about Murphy, he knows how to deliver suspense. He knows how to freak you out. And he knows the right level of mystery and intrigue to keep people coming back for more.
I've always found it interesting when the Horror genre is looked at so seriously. Horror has never been one to take itself to seriously, thus playing to the reasons why people love the genre so much. I just really feel like you, and alot of other people are watching and attempting to dissect this show with way to much seriousness which is obviously NOT the intention of Murphy.
I'd have to imagine his intention is for the viewers to sit down and watch a show unlike anything they've seen before. A show where, after your done watching, you can't really believe what has happened but you find it awesome nonetheless. Murphy's writing, in my opinion is spot on. Now, hold your shorts, I don't mean "spot on" as in the level of Cuse and Lindelof on Lost, Wyman and Pinkner on Fringe, or even Gillian on Breaking Bad. That's like comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different shows. Lost, Fringe, and especially Breaking Bad have all dealt with things ( to an extent ) on a very surreal level. Decisions, circumstances, and choices most people have either made or will eventually make in there life. Obviously, that is NOT the intent of Murphy and American Horror Story. It's a Horror show for the love. It's supposed to be crazy, it's supposed to not make a whole lot of sense at first, and it's most definitely supposed to take us on one hell of a thrill ride.
I feel like the first episode was brilliant. The setup, the suspense, the tense/taught build up. Everything just clicked for me. There's a certain appreciation for someone willing to think outside the box, and try something unique and clever. Murphy hit the nail on the head in both spectrums. I think more writers/producers need to be willing to take a leap like Murphy has. Television needs spiced up every now and again. As I said earlier, it baffles me when I read people saying it's "to over the top" or "dialogue done for effect". I really just want to make sure they realized they are watching a Horror Show.
I realize this show is not for everyone.. believe me. But alot of the "complaints" and "bashing" are unjustified imo. American Horror Story is currently my third favorite show on television ( behind Fringe and True Blood ). I won't dance around that fact at all. Maybe it's my inner fanboy for the show and Murphy talking, who knows.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but enjoyment is personal thing.
To me it is not suspenseful... every move is so heavily foreshadowed I have yet to be shocked or surprised by anything in the 2 episodes.
Ok wait... the mirrored bad girl room was a surprise I did not see coming. I knew Constance was a freak and not a PTA mom or anything near it... I assumed she was abusive or cruel to Adelaide, but the specific means of punishment was unexpected.
I guess for me having seen so many horror movies growing up (my best friend's dad owned a shop that specialized in b-movies and horror movies) I just have seen so much of this before and it all feels familiar... not new or shocking. One of the issues is the restraints of being on FX. As much as Murphy and the series has pushed limits for a cable network, it's nothing like one can see in an uncensored movie.
While I appreciate some (maybe even many?) people can watch and be entertained by the stylized filming and the overly direct dialog I can't I guess. Part of the reason I don't watch nearly as much horror genre as I used to.
I still love a good psychological horror that scares you because it makes you think and feel things viscerally... for me personally, American Horror Story is not close to that (and was not intended to be that as you pointed out).
It is more dramatic to me than suspenseful, more over-the-top than shocking, and more convoluted and contrived than brilliant story telling. It's just how I see it as I watch it.
Others may feel the exact opposite of me. Some may agree with everything I wrote but still manage to enjoy the series. They are free to enjoy watching it as long as it is on TV. Based on the first two episodes I just can't join the aforementioned group... I wanted to... and I tried... Just how it goes.
To sum up... It may be well done (even if I disagree) and doing exactly what Murphy designed it to do, but regardless of whether or not it's "good" or "bad", I just don''t enjoy the end product.
I appreciate the more extensive explanation. I think it proves what I assumed after the first episode. This show is NOT for everyone. There are going to be people who love it, people who hate it, and people who fall somewhere in the middle. Personally, I'm as far left as I can go and absolutely love it. You, may be as far right and hate it ( or somewhere in the middle closer to the right then the left ). And that's just how this show is going to be for everyone.
I guess I'd say one of the reasons why I love it so much is Murphy's done what I want more television writers/producers to do... Take chances. I love good ol' procedurals just as much as the next person, but sometimes taking a chance on a "different" show like this pays off more in the long run. Of course sometimes it backfires, but I respect the writers who try to be different then just fall into the same routine every other show follows. As much as I love tv, and how hard it is to get me to hate a show, I appreciate more the "thinking outside the box" if you will ( HBO, Showtime disclaimer ).
Honestly though, I think people like yourself and me is what the show was aiming for. It's not a show that's going to have 8 million viewers every week, and it's not going to be a show 8 million people love ( or maybe their will be 8 million total people who love the show... stupid nielsen ratings :( ).. but you get my point.
I get agitated and easily upset when I see people blatantly "bash" something and talk about how terrible it is without giving good and reasonable reasons written in a educational manner on why they didn't like it. Or, what they hope to see change as the series goes on. Thank you for outlining what you didn't like and what you liked.
I love reading anything you write on any of these shows, and "water-cooler" discussion like this over a show is always awesome. I think for the forseeable future, this is going to be a show I love and one you don't. And that's perfectly okay. Difference of opinion is always good, I'm just glad it was with someone smart enough to describe there thoughts. :)
I don't see why people seem insistent on choosing to hold this show up to standards that are higher than its genre typically affords.
This is a horror show, firmly in the horror genre, in the spirit of various classic horror film types. Horror is traditionally b-movie shlock. It's relatively mindless entertainment that relies on shock, gore, audio tricks, visual effects, atmosphere, and mood to hook an audience. It's not written by Leo Tolstoy and it's not directed by Ingmar Bergman.
In horror, there are a few things you can always count on:
- The characters will do really stupid, illogical things. That's why people yell "don't go in there!" at movie screens. These characters are self-destructive idiots. That's part of the fun. - There won't be much rhyme or reason to the actions of the supernatural. Pointing out the plot holes of bad, yet enjoyable, horror is practically tradition. (this also applies to sci-fi) - Dead things are never really dead. I'm convinced that almost everyone on this show besides the family is either dead, or has died at least once.
Everyone enjoys something (or doesn't) for their own personal reasons but holding this show up to a standard outside of its genre really isn't fair. (And for anyone who is champing at the bit to cite The Walking Dead right now, don't bother. That show is a complete anomaly. It is not the standard in any way. It's a freak of nature.)
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I love this show! Knew Tate was a ghost! And someone on Tumblr guessed he might be the old lady's one "perfect child". But really, Addy said she saw something and then your tortured her in the mirror closet? Really?
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for next week!
I like how this week wasn't as confusing like last week was, the show is finding its footing now
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely enthralled by that which is American Horror Story.
ReplyDeleteHaving had someone break into my place, the first thing I do is NOT run directly to the alarm to turn it off. That read as all kinds of wrong to me. Only if it had a direct connection with the alarm company and he told them "someone is in the house" or similar.... Then it would have made sense.
ReplyDeleteA lot of the dialog still feels unnatural to me - just written for effect.
So this week's episode was inspired by The Crazies (or any number of other home invasion movies) while last week ran through half a dozen horror movies. It all seems like I've seen it all before, but done better.
Every character is just so unlikable to me and I can't connect to any of them. With so much of the writing so obvious and dialog just done for effect, every scene and episode plot is predictable and lacks suspense. If the writing were better I may be able to "enjoy the ride" despite knowing what will happen next from all the obvious foreshadowing Murphy layers on (the man is not aq fan of subtlety), but it all just seems so groundless and over-the-top that I can't buy in to any of it.
I guess this week was an improvement over last week, but that is like saying dying instantly is better than dying after lingering pain. Either way you will still be dead and either way this show is still bad.
A severe waste of a talented cast and while I am sad they are being wasted.... I'm glad I know I won't be watching anymore of the series after only 2 episodes! Most series take me longer to decide if they are worth my time.... not this one.
Honestly, I agree with alot of what you have to say about shows on here but this, I just can't agree with.
ReplyDeleteI'm not quite sure how you watch a show entitled "American Horror Story" and expect it to have excellent dialogue, taught pacing, and/or not be over the top. Say what you will about Murphy, he knows how to deliver suspense. He knows how to freak you out. And he knows the right level of mystery and intrigue to keep people coming back for more.
I've always found it interesting when the Horror genre is looked at so seriously. Horror has never been one to take itself to seriously, thus playing to the reasons why people love the genre so much. I just really feel like you, and alot of other people are watching and attempting to dissect this show with way to much seriousness which is obviously NOT the intention of Murphy.
I'd have to imagine his intention is for the viewers to sit down and watch a show unlike anything they've seen before. A show where, after your done watching, you can't really believe what has happened but you find it awesome nonetheless. Murphy's writing, in my opinion is spot on. Now, hold your shorts, I don't mean "spot on" as in the level of Cuse and Lindelof on Lost, Wyman and Pinkner on Fringe, or even Gillian on Breaking Bad. That's like comparing apples and oranges. They are completely different shows. Lost, Fringe, and especially Breaking Bad have all dealt with things ( to an extent ) on a very surreal level. Decisions, circumstances, and choices most people have either made or will eventually make in there life. Obviously, that is NOT the intent of Murphy and American Horror Story. It's a Horror show for the love. It's supposed to be crazy, it's supposed to not make a whole lot of sense at first, and it's most definitely supposed to take us on one hell of a thrill ride.
I feel like the first episode was brilliant. The setup, the suspense, the tense/taught build up. Everything just clicked for me. There's a certain appreciation for someone willing to think outside the box, and try something unique and clever. Murphy hit the nail on the head in both spectrums. I think more writers/producers need to be willing to take a leap like Murphy has. Television needs spiced up every now and again. As I said earlier, it baffles me when I read people saying it's "to over the top" or "dialogue done for effect". I really just want to make sure they realized they are watching a Horror Show.
I realize this show is not for everyone.. believe me. But alot of the "complaints" and "bashing" are unjustified imo. American Horror Story is currently my third favorite show on television ( behind Fringe and True Blood ). I won't dance around that fact at all. Maybe it's my inner fanboy for the show and Murphy talking, who knows.
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I agree with a lot of what you said, but enjoyment is personal thing.
ReplyDeleteTo me it is not suspenseful... every move is so heavily foreshadowed I have yet to be shocked or surprised by anything in the 2 episodes.
Ok wait... the mirrored bad girl room was a surprise I did not see coming. I knew Constance was a freak and not a PTA mom or anything near it... I assumed she was abusive or cruel to Adelaide, but the specific means of punishment was unexpected.
I guess for me having seen so many horror movies growing up (my best friend's dad owned a shop that specialized in b-movies and horror movies) I just have seen so much of this before and it all feels familiar... not new or shocking. One of the issues is the restraints of being on FX. As much as Murphy and the series has pushed limits for a cable network, it's nothing like one can see in an uncensored movie.
While I appreciate some (maybe even many?) people can watch and be entertained by the stylized filming and the overly direct dialog I can't I guess. Part of the reason I don't watch nearly as much horror genre as I used to.
I still love a good psychological horror that scares you because it makes you think and feel things viscerally... for me personally, American Horror Story is not close to that (and was not intended to be that as you pointed out).
It is more dramatic to me than suspenseful, more over-the-top than shocking, and more convoluted and contrived than brilliant story telling. It's just how I see it as I watch it.
Others may feel the exact opposite of me. Some may agree with everything I wrote but still manage to enjoy the series. They are free to enjoy watching it as long as it is on TV. Based on the first two episodes I just can't join the aforementioned group... I wanted to... and I tried... Just how it goes.
To sum up... It may be well done (even if I disagree) and doing exactly what Murphy designed it to do, but regardless of whether or not it's "good" or "bad", I just don''t enjoy the end product.
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I appreciate the more extensive explanation. I think it proves what I assumed after the first episode. This show is NOT for everyone. There are going to be people who love it, people who hate it, and people who fall somewhere in the middle. Personally, I'm as far left as I can go and absolutely love it. You, may be as far right and hate it ( or somewhere in the middle closer to the right then the left ). And that's just how this show is going to be for everyone.
ReplyDeleteI guess I'd say one of the reasons why I love it so much is Murphy's done what I want more television writers/producers to do... Take chances. I love good ol' procedurals just as much as the next person, but sometimes taking a chance on a "different" show like this pays off more in the long run. Of course sometimes it backfires, but I respect the writers who try to be different then just fall into the same routine every other show follows. As much as I love tv, and how hard it is to get me to hate a show, I appreciate more the "thinking outside the box" if you will ( HBO, Showtime disclaimer ).
Honestly though, I think people like yourself and me is what the show was aiming for. It's not a show that's going to have 8 million viewers every week, and it's not going to be a show 8 million people love ( or maybe their will be 8 million total people who love the show... stupid nielsen ratings :( ).. but you get my point.
I get agitated and easily upset when I see people blatantly "bash" something and talk about how terrible it is without giving good and reasonable reasons written in a educational manner on why they didn't like it. Or, what they hope to see change as the series goes on. Thank you for outlining what you didn't like and what you liked.
I love reading anything you write on any of these shows, and "water-cooler" discussion like this over a show is always awesome. I think for the forseeable future, this is going to be a show I love and one you don't. And that's perfectly okay. Difference of opinion is always good, I'm just glad it was with someone smart enough to describe there thoughts. :)
I'm following you now :)
ReplyDeleteI had that exact same theme until like last week, weird aha
Wow, this episode was much, MUCH better than last week's.
ReplyDeleteMuch better than the first episode..i wasn't sure whether i would continue watching this show but this episode got me hooked...
ReplyDeleteI really love this show! So happy it's finally on air. Can't wait for more!! <3
ReplyDeleteI don't see why people seem insistent on choosing to hold this show up to standards that are higher than its genre typically affords.
ReplyDeleteThis is a horror show, firmly in the horror genre, in the spirit of various classic horror film types. Horror is traditionally b-movie shlock. It's relatively mindless entertainment that relies on shock, gore, audio tricks, visual effects, atmosphere, and mood to hook an audience. It's not written by Leo Tolstoy and it's not directed by Ingmar Bergman.
In horror, there are a few things you can always count on:
- The characters will do really stupid, illogical things. That's why people yell "don't go in there!" at movie screens. These characters are self-destructive idiots. That's part of the fun.
- There won't be much rhyme or reason to the actions of the supernatural. Pointing out the plot holes of bad, yet enjoyable, horror is practically tradition. (this also applies to sci-fi)
- Dead things are never really dead. I'm convinced that almost everyone on this show besides the family is either dead, or has died at least once.
Everyone enjoys something (or doesn't) for their own personal reasons but holding this show up to a standard outside of its genre really isn't fair. (And for anyone who is champing at the bit to cite The Walking Dead right now, don't bother. That show is a complete anomaly. It is not the standard in any way. It's a freak of nature.)