Latest From Kristin - Various Shows - 22nd August 2011
23 Aug 2011
Cancelled Shows Castle Covert Affairs Glee Grey's Anatomy Parks and Recreation Raising Hope Sons of Anarchy Supernatural Vampire DiariesIn todays Spoiler Chat We have spoilers for Grey's, Glee, Raising Hope, Supernatural Vampire Diaries, Fringe and more!
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Source: E!Online
Regarding Fringe: We spoiler addicts already know that stuff Kristin! Just stick with the Gleetards! Do what you know best.
ReplyDeleteGlee scoop was good excited Idina will be around for a nice lengthy arc. The Grey's scoop lack luster. Im just not a fan of the Cristina/Owen relationship- i think its the way they kiss it creeps me out.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if Ryan Murphy will actually do what he says this year
ReplyDeleteAnother piece of non-information on Supernatural, written in such a way as to get as many people riled as possible. No one knows yet whether Cas will be in more than the first 2 episodes - I'm guessing he will be in several.
ReplyDeleteWhy doesn't she just come out and say she doesn't know? What ever happened to plain english?
Probably not.
ReplyDeleteWe have to remember that it is being kept very quiet and she has to no t now anything. It has to be really irritating for some in her line of work. Of course she's gonna lie. I can guarantee that if Ben and Lisa come back, Sera is going to say. She's already said that until she know where they with something and have the guest starts signed up for it, she wo't say. I agree will you that it was unlike Dean to do that, that I really wish they'd fired the writer. Seriously, if you don't the character well enough, don't write for him. All Dean did was make it easy for Lisa and Ben to be killed. They won't know to protect themselves or call him for help. Now that is totally stupid. They wrote him out of character a good deal this season. I can not remember Dean ever harassing Cas like he did this season. He was cruel in the comments he made. It's not like him with Cas. Tease Cas, yes, but that wasn't teasing the Dean way. Dean has been out of character a good deal this season. I hope they straighten up and correct it in season 7. I'm surprised Jensen wasn't on the war path over it. He protects Dean so much, and know he was probably changing as much as could during it, but the finale with Ben and Lisa when slapped Ben and had Cas erase their memories. Sheesh.
ReplyDeleteKristen knows nothing. This isn't even worth posting elsewhere. All it will do is rile people. How wrong of her to say what she said when No one Knows how many episodes Cas will be in because no one is talking, including Misha.
ReplyDeleteWow way to spread false rumors there. I thought the point of the media was to tell the truth (yeah I know that's about as far from the actual truth of the matter but whatever). Nobody knows how many episodes Misha will be in for sure this season but to say something like seeing Lisa and Ben again is about as good as seeing Cas past episode 2 is an outright lie and only serves to cause dissension in the fandom. There are no answers to this stuff so why lie about it and put people's panties in a bunch? It's not a spoiler it's just jumping the gun based on what information we do have confirmed, which is that Misha will definitely be in the first two episodes. Past that no one knows. These media people got to stop feeding lies that fan the flames especially since SPN fans are such an emotional and easy to rile bunch.
ReplyDeleteQuote: "I agree with you that it was unlike Dean to do that....." Sorry, I don't want to cause an argument but I never mentioned Dean at all.
ReplyDeleteMy comment was based on this woman making a statement that was guaranteed to upset Cas fans. I'm sorry you are annoyed, but I actually have no issue with the way Dean was written in S6.
Your comment makes me smile because Sera Gamble wrote that rot. And I agree with you. She can't write for Dean. I usually enjoy her episodes, but her characterization for Dean is all over the place and offensive, in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteHi, I just want to re-qualify that into " a PART of the SPN fans are such an emotional and easy to rile bunch" as I, and I am sure many others, do not consider themselves so.
ReplyDeleteAs for the so called rumours or news, just because they are hinted at by reporters who claim to have insights into the secrets of tv shows does not make them true, so they do not annoy me at all.
I must say they make me smile because the only one to benefit from them is Ms. Kristen herself who gets her moment of publicity on SPN sites by making us talk about her.
The truth is we will only be able to discuss the direction the show has taken when we see the episodes
regards
But but... we already knew that Fringe info from weeks ago Kristin! Give us something new (like set photos) or tidbits about Peter's return to awesomeness.
ReplyDeleteAs for Glee, I don't believe anything Troll Murphy says anymore.
The fringe scoop is old...and can see what the fuss about the supernatural scoop was now that I read it, seen design to rattle the fan of the show.
ReplyDeletethanks!
ReplyDeleteSPN-that basically means they have no idea
ReplyDeleteI too thought the story was dealt with appropriately in the end, considering it wasnt that well liked I thought it was treated with way more time and respect than it probably should have and that was all down to it being related to Dean's character. I dont think it was out of character quite the oposite in fact. For me out of character was going to the Braeden's in the first place. The Dean I know would have done everything in his power to save his brother not give up and sit around playing happy families.
ReplyDeleteI dont understand how Dean can be considered to be written out of character when he's been written like that for 2 seasons now?! Fans cant just claim he's out of character every time he does something they dont like or agree with. The character is who the writers write him to be not how the fans want him to be written.
Anywhoo totally agree about this non spoilers, next time Kristen just say you dont know. Also there has been zero mention of the Braedne's since LIB and I'm pretty sure Jensen said the storyline would be/had been concluded. We wont be seeing the Braedne's in season 7 and I doubt we'll ever see them again. Cas on the other hand......
I'm not a fan either (although I love Cristina) so not particularly excited that CO is seen as long term. But I also think that depends on whether Sandra stays. It;s a rather poor spoiler but then given there is so much uncertainty about the cast I can't see much information leaking about story lines until there is certainty.
ReplyDeleteI think she writes consitantly for Dean I just find it consistantly boring. Dean wanting normal and being the way he was in season 6 was nothing new, its been a long time coming. I personally think the poblem lies with too many writers stirring the pot. In season 6 it seemed alot of the new writers seems to be bending the characrers to fit the story they happen to be writing that week. This is something that has been a regular occurence with how Sam has been witten over the years, in comparison Dean has been written quite consitantly. Dean has been the steady where Sam has been written to move the storyline along-essentially a plot device.
ReplyDeleteSera has always had an idea of who she wants to be after all she has been there since the beginning she helped shape who he was from the start. Her vision for Dean as the family man with the Braeden's started as early as season 3 so he's been written like that for 3 seasons now. Not inconsistant just not how some fans want Dean to be written.
No fuss or mass panic (here at least) most SPN fans saw this non spoiler for what it was, complete bullshit.
ReplyDeleteI remember Misha saying something about recieving the scripts for the first, second, and fourth episodes somewhere, but correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think they'd send him the script for an episode he wasn't in,especially if they had just written out his character.
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ReplyDeleteI think that Dean has been written with the same characteristics since season 1.
ReplyDeleteCertainly he has had to adjust a bit to the various problems he has been dealt by fate, but his basic nature has remained the same.
He was a family man in the only way he could be living a hunter's life, he liked children and knew how to interact with them, he raised Sammy and he embraced that task with joy, his secret dream was Lisa and a family life and he would have been proud to have been Ben's father.
You are right in saying that the only time he was written completely and entirely out of character was when he didn't keep looking to get Sam back from the Cage and stayed all that time with Lisa instead.
The only thing that Dean prized more that the idea of family was his brother and Lisa wouldn't have had any chance against Sam, which is how it turned out in the end.
Another one written out of character was Bobby in season 6.
How could he not tell Dean that his brother was out of the Cage?
He must have known how much Dean would have been suffering thinking that Sammy was still in Lucifer's torture chamber.
In my opinion ìt's Sam who has been written as if he was on a see-saw, always being made to run one way or another, character-wise.
I've noticed lately that they try to make it as sensational as possible without actually providing any spoilers at all. It's becoming ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI'm replying here to both you and isleofskye. Dean didn't stop looking for a way to get Sam out of the cage. He said so in the very first episode of the season. He was finding and poring over hundreds of books for something to help him, if I remember correctly. I agree that Dean would have never gone to Lisa on his own but he did so to respect his brother's dying wish/promise, unlike Sam.
ReplyDeletePersonally, I find both brothers to be written consistently most of the time, but there have been times where both were written bend over backwards in order to fit the story (the last two episodes of season 5 come to mind regarding Dean). But I also think that SG has the least understanding of Dean's character.
"...I thought it was treated with way more time and respect than it probably should have and that was all down to it being related to Dean's character"
Could you maybe explain what you mean here? I'm not sure I understand. Considering this was supposed to be Dean's storyline for the season it could have used more respect in the way they handled it. Personally I thought they treated the whole L/B storyline sloppily and as an afterthought after the first two episodes. I'm someone who actually liked the potential of this story and I was extremely disappointed that in the end it was only used as a way to knock Dean down more. Some light (eg. an amicable parting of ways) in all this depression the show has become would have been refreshing...
Fringe: I personally agree with Noble because I felt that Walternate was never going to come to the table as long as Peter was the official reason to execute revenge on the blue universe!
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of what you're saying here. My intent isn't to start a flame war, but Dean in season 6 developed almost a child-like self-centeredness (especially with Cas) that I don't think was there in earlier seasons. There were a lot of problems with Let It Bleed - the logic behind the mindwipe, his refusal to listen to Cas's side of the story, the lack of Sam having any real presence in the Lisa/Ben drama, and the Dean-reverts-back-to-torturer scene. Dean was going through demon after demon, torturing them with the knife and then killing them with the knife without any concern for saving the possessed person inside (who we've learned is usually awake during demon possessions, so he was not only torturing demons, he was torturing humans too). And I don't think Sam was written any better. That's a post for another time.
ReplyDeleteThis next part is addressed to other comments. I thought Dean going to live with Lisa and Ben was consistent with his character. Aside from the promise he made to Sam and the fact that he didn't stop looking for Sam which has already been pointed out, Dean since season 2 has shown that he doesn't have the heart to continue the fight against the supernatural without Sam. When Sam died in AHBL, his response to Bobby was to let the world end. He'd given enough. In season 5, when he felt he was losing Sam to the demons, he gave up himself and decided to say yes to Michael. It makes sense that after the trauma of Swan Song he would want to retire somewhere. I agree though that the Dean/Lisa breakup in season 6 was handled poorly. There was no need for them to come back again in LiB.
"Considering this was supposed to be Dean's storyline for the season"
ReplyDeleteIt was his storyline aside from the bigger ones which were his role as a hunter, his role as a brother, and his role as Cas's friend. Sam didn't turn out to have much of an individual role either. He came back from Hell broken, got sort-of-fixed but wasn't allowed to remember anything important, and then got broken again. He had no friends, no relationships other than casual sex, and no real plot as far as I can tell.
1) At the end of season 5 how many people really thought that Dean would have stayed a year with Lisa?
ReplyDeleteI could imagine him staying a week , maybe a month, but that's it.
2 ) He promised Sam that he would go amd live the apple pie life?...............but Dean had also promised Sam that he would kill him if he turned evil but had never any intention of carrying out such a promise.
In this case too, it is out of character for Dean to respect such a promise and to stay at home with Lisa instead of seeking to liberate his brother.
3 ) He might have researched books while he was with Lisa, but that was Sammy's way of doing things.
This too, is completely out of character for Dean
He has always been the one to physically go out searching for answers.
At the very most he would have gone to Bobby who had lots of other hunters and magical people that could perhaps have helped him search for a way of getting Sam out of the cage.
4 ) For me Dean could never have stayed with Lisa for ever, whilst his brother continued to be tortured in hell.
There is just too strong a bond between them
Perhaps he could have stayed with Lisa if Sam had been safe with him on Earth and BOTH had decided to give up hunting and live normal lives....
This first portion of season 6 is completely out of character for Dean as we have known him, in my opinion.
The second sentence of your first paragraph pretty much sums up why I hated season 6. The writers made Dean so laser focused on Sam to the exclusion of everybody else that it became a huge disservice both to his character and his relationships, especially Castiel. In answer to my comment, that was also a problem for me. When every other sentence uttered from Dean's mouth for the first half of the season was "what's wrong with Sam", "don't scratch that wall Sam", "are you OK Sam", for me it became a stifling amount of focus on Sam, no matter if he actually had a story; he was ever present. And I found that off putting, so again a disservice to both characters.
ReplyDeleteAs a side-note, I don't see how this discussion can start a war. I think all the comments and views are put together in a respectable manner... :)
So disappointed about Cristina and Owen being long-term on Grey's. Girl needs to get herself a man who doesn't take advantage of her when she's mentally unstable and doesn't emotionally abuse her into making choices she doesn't want. It's not romantic and it's not sweet.
ReplyDelete"I don't see how this discussion can start a war."
ReplyDeleteLaughing a little bit here. Wars have been started for much less. ;-)
I'll reply according to your numbers:)
ReplyDelete1) That was the reason I didn't like the fact that they decided to go with a time jump. No matter what Dean did he would be at the wrong side of some camp. If it was a week as you say he wouldn't have time to bond in whatever form with Lisa and Ben, so it would have been more "acceptable" for him to leave without any real struggle.
2) I'm not sure if you have a particular scene in mind. The ones that I remember concerning this is in Croatoan, where he was ready to kill Sam and in PONR were one of his reasons to say yes was that if Sam said yes he had to be ready to stand against him. If there is something that I can't think right now, please let me now and I' reevaluate!
3) I'm not sure why research has to be only Sam's way of dealing with problems. We've seen Dean doing research. Besides every research has to start from somewhere; the cage situation was unprecedented, so it would make sense to find obscure literature. If I remember correctly, the only physical solution he could follow were the rings, but that was too risky since the cage also contained the two archangels. As for Bobby, I really don't remember if they said in season 6 that they hadn't talked at all during that year. They said in season 5 that they wouldn't see each other for some time. But even if they did speak and Dean had asked, given that Bobby lied to him about Sam being out, I don't think he would have been useful.
4) I agree that he could probably stay with Lisa if Sam was topside or in Heaven. Personally, I imagine that he would have stayed but little by little he would start hunting again but I can't imagine the specifics of that living. As for your last sentence, I'm inclined to agree. I would catch glimpses of the old Dean in there somewhere, but I, personally, attribute this to JA because the writing for his character didn't help him at all.
Ah, I see what you mean. I've only started posting a couple of months ago and the "wars" was one of the reasons I hadn't done it before even though I like discussing the show. But I figured, as long as I post my comments in a respectful manner and avoid answering comments that are obviously inflammatory, I would be fine, no matter if I disagree with some of the commenters I discuss with. :)
ReplyDeleteI think this site is better than a lot of others in that people are more likely to try to avoid a war, but there are still moments of defensiveness. I mostly try to ignore both inflammatory and defensive comments. I agree that the tone here has been respectful.
ReplyDeleteThanks Chris, yes, we try really hard here to ensure the comments are a pleasant place for people to air their thoughts and opinions without being worried about being "bashed".
ReplyDeleteWe kick out trouble makers very early on :)
1 ) I feel he went with Lisa only because Sam asked him to.
ReplyDeleteIf he had really wanted that life he would have found a way to have it while Sam was still alive.
After all he had already walked away from Lisa once before.
In 2) I was referring to the episode Playthings in season 2 in which Sam, when he was drunk, begged Dean to kill him if he should ever turn evil.
Dean made that promise, but he hoped that Sam would forget about it the the next day when he was sober.
However Sam remembered all right and held Dean to it.
He also didn't kill him in Croatoan and in Born Under a Bad Sign when Sam was possessed by a demon and he begged Dean to kill him.
Dean just answered that he would rather die first.
3 ) Of course Dean can do research , I just feel that that's not his style of doing things.
Well JA did complain to the writers that he was unhappy about not having "normal" Sam any more and found it difficult to act in character with Souless Sam,
regards
Nothing really new in that spoiler piece.
ReplyDeleteI'm getting a bit bored of all Fringe news being about Peter... surely there's something else the cast can talk about.
ReplyDeleteAs much as I would love you to be right since i'll be pissed big time if they kill off Cas--How do you know she doesn't know Cas is dead? It's been filmed, it could have gotten out and she is a scoopster.
ReplyDeleteThis also fits perfectly with the Ausiello blind item of a popular character being killed off early in the new season.
Why can't she know? Because average fans don't. Why would she say this if she wasn't sure? Especially if she could easily be proven wrong--unless she knows.
And damn right this is going to rile up those who like Cas.
very true there was no need for them to come back in LIB. I thought the first half of season 6 made sense in terms of characterization for the boys-Sam was soulless and therefore not Sam and Dean was basically a conflicted, confused mess. The problems lie with the second half of the season, instead of reuniting the boys and having them return to who we know them to be Sam got lost in the background and Dean was pretty much written to suit whatever the writers needed him to be in each episode. He goes from stupid, to concerned big brother, to helpless and self pitying, to joker, to gay, to angsty with mommy issues, back to gay, back to wanting to be Joe normal, to self pitying, back to martyr, to helpless big bro, to gay.....and so on. Dean was everywhere in every episode he just wasn't always Dean he was whatever the writers needed him to be that week.
ReplyDeleteThe more I think about season 6 the more I come to the conclusion that it was a complete and utter mess. For me it didn't move Sam and Dean's story along at all, they just ended up where they started or dare I say taking a few leaps backwards. All Sam got was more crap to feel guilty about and all Dean got was more reasons to feel sorry for himself.
My big wish for season 7 is that the Winchester's get a victory or two not just in fighting the supernatural but in their personal lives too, the show has become ridiculously depressing to the point of painful to watch at times. What's the point of having them go through such agony each season if they dont learn anything, win anything, gain anything from it?
As soon as Sam got resouled and dry walled his storyline was pretty much dropped-other than Unforgiven and TMWKTM Sam was basically wall paper.
ReplyDeleteThe odds of seeing Lisa and Ben again on Supernatural this season are about equal to the odds of seeing Castiel (Misha Collins) after the second episode. Make of that what you will. (Sob.)NO DONT SAY THAT TO ME!!!! My heart just stop! this was to much close to a "its the end" spoiler NO NO NO PLEASE someone erase this from my brain I WANNA CRY!!! PS: I do love Lisa and Ben but for any idiots (kindind) out there im talking about Cass
ReplyDeletecant edit : *kidding* not kindin or what ever i wrote hehe
ReplyDelete:( im so in love with Owen this breaks my little heart
ReplyDeleteMaybe only "Cas" is gone. *puts finger in her ears* NANANANANA IM RIGHT NANNANA
ReplyDelete:((((( this is my last hope ahhaa.
If you read enough of Kristin's columns you'll realize that she uses the terms "scoop" and "spoiler" VERY loosely. :)
ReplyDeleteYeah I know. I just love to rag her for it every chance I get. LOL
ReplyDeletethanks :)
ReplyDeleteI think this is a foiler, Lisa/Ben haven't been mentioned at all that they are coming back. I am sick of these sort of questions which contain no spoilers. All they do is upset fans, my enthusiasm for season 7 has decreased becuase of the mention of these characters.
ReplyDeleteHi, I agree Dean was written to fit in with whatever they were writing that week. Sera does not know how to write for the character
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