This weekend all our favourite boys are over in Rome for the JUS IN BELLO 2 Convention.
It was revealed that....wait for it.....
WE WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO REALLY BROUGHT SAM BACK FROM LUCIFER'S CAGE AND WHY!
Shocked....Not?! Did anyone really believe it was Crowley?
-So WHO did pull Sam from the cage?
-WHY did they pull Sam from the cage-did they have some greater purpose in mind?
-Did they pull Sam without his soul on purpose or did they just lack the power to pull his soul out along with his body?
What do you think? Got any theories?
Here are some pics from the con-
- Jared tries on Gen's glasses. Is it just me or does he look like an older hotter Harry Potter?
- Jared and his plushie Francesco
- Jared and Jensen with Francesco and Jensen's plushie Bartholomew
Well I have no clue as to who really pulled Sam out of the cage.
ReplyDeleteRaphael?
Death?
Cas? He has been decidedly shady this season, but whether he's got the juice to do that I don't know. And would he out and out lie to the boys? Possibly.
Someone we don't know about yet?
I dunno. I just knew it couldn't've been Crowley.
Hope they don't say it was God and not show him again.
ReplyDeleteMaybe while inside the cage, he made some kind of deal with Lucifer or someone else.
Maybe Bobby made a cross-roads deal. He knew that Sam was back the whole time. He could've easily made a deal to get him back somehow, 'cause he felt sorry for Dean, and didn't tell them the truth.
Maybe it was Eve, for some weird reason.
The possibilities are endless!
o.O im dying to know?!!!!
ReplyDeleteonly 2 thing who's can resurrected death ppl, is an angels or the horseman (death) so maybe this is the regrettable (cas) thing, maybe lucifer himself release sam body n keep his soul for some reason.., or maybe death do in the purpose, that's why he put the wall in sam head so he cant remember anything..., i believe sam wall keep so many secret abt cage, hell n big plan abt his resurrected @_@
Agree with the Cas part.....I have no clue where does he stand this season.
ReplyDeletei think maybe it's Cass.. i don't know but something's really wrong with him this season.. Maybe he and Crowley are working together and they needed someone like Souless Sam to do their jobs. Strong, one of the best two hunters on the world and capable to do anything to get the job done. Maybe that's why he tried so much to convince Dean not to put his soul back inside him... that's just a theori and my imagination is not as perfect as spn writers so i'm dying to find out!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's Cas. If he could grab him from out of the cage, he could've also gone back and get him his soul back. Don't think Cas had the power to bring him back.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that it was Cas... Cas has been shady this season and has his own motives, but Cas is also the world's worst liar. That is why Sam went to him in Like a Virgin for answers. Also, Cas likely doesn't have the juice to pull Sam out of the cage; it's an archangel strengthened timeout box, so it doesn't make sense that Cas would be able to pick the lock as it seems that he still just has regular angel powers. In all likelihood, it was probably Eve, who wanted Sam souless as the "ultimate" monster.
ReplyDeleteIt also adds another layer to the Man Who Would Be King if you know the ending (Danny getting killed after the natives realize he's not a god) and compare it to the situation with Crowley. It seems that Crowley spun some tall tales to get the Winchesters and Grandpa Campbell to work on his own pet project and ends up dying when Cas call his bluff.
Gabriel!
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was Eve as she was trapped in purgatory this whole time and she didn't have the power to get herself out, so she certainly wouldn't have the power to pull Sam out of the cage. I don't see God letting him out without a soul. However I do think Cas could have brought him back, but what if he couldn't get all of Sam back (missing soul) or realized that Sam's soul was too damaged to return, so he brought back as much of Sam as he could. I think Cas is more powerful then we give him credit for. Though I do see the argument for Death as well. Hmmmmm.
ReplyDeleteOne of eve's minions pulled Sam out and was in him when he was soulless. He was using Sam's powers to become king of hell and was controlling crowley and making him search for purgatory to let eve out.
ReplyDeleteGabriel's long dead)
ReplyDeleteI guess that would be the craziest theory of all))
ReplyDeleteKali got Sam from the cage!
she's gotta be powerful enough and she owes Gabriel and the boys)
if Eve's minions were searching for purgatory they wouldn't torture ones of them)
ReplyDeletedragons knew their way without using Crowley or Sam!Soulless)
What about Balthazer...... he had the weapons at the time.... maybe there was something that pick the lock and grab Sam....... Or I could see Cas doing that, but I have to say he is a terrible liar..... and Kali (the one goddess) could also be it. They kinda left her story loose ended. My last theory is Jesse, he can have whatever he wants by just thinking of it.
ReplyDeleteBalthazar's interesting, but I think he fought with Cas for a while before he went rouge. Sam was out of the cage very soon after the apocalypse.
ReplyDeleteI think its Cas and I WILL BE MAD IF IM FREAKEN RIGHT!
ReplyDeleteAnd hunm? I thought it was confirm that it wasnt crowley who did it so i just asumed that to be good tv (as spn is) they had to tell us at some point. so wasnt shocked about that
I currently have two theories.
ReplyDeleteNo.1 is that Raphael pulled Sam out to confuse Castiel and make him have morals(something the angels would view as a weakness). He left the soul out as added confusion and morals.
No. 2 is that Eve pulled hm out for whatever reason, maybe they nedded his blood for a super monster or something? Maybe she thought that lack of a soul meant him agreeing to her demands and putting up less of a fight.
I...actually have no clue! Can't wait to see what's going to happen in the rest of the season, I really don't know what to expect.
ReplyDeleteHere's my theory. Cas pulled Sam from Hell and Samuel from Heaven to work together to kill the alphas. He knew Sam would reach out to Dean, forming a team that could achieve the goal. Except, he and Crowley (who he's been working with all along) didn't bargain for Dean getting Sam's soul back. That's why Cas was so angry with Dean when he put the soul back into Sam. Keeping the soul in Hell was the key to making Sam the ultimate killing machine and Samuel's determination to get Mary back would make him desperate to do anything. I think Cas and Crowley did this knowing it would draw Eve out so she could be destroyed. When all this comes out, the guys will feel so betrayed that the relationship between them and Cas may be destroyed. Will Balthazar die? Will Dean kill Cas because of what he's done? Or will we be left wondering if he did as the cliffhanger?
ReplyDeleteRegardless of what happens, I can't wait to see!
Sounds like the most likely theory I've read so far... whatever is going on, this is exciting :)
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing Death had something to do with it. The wall he put up keeps Sam from remembering more than his time in the cage, but why? Why would Death make him forget everything he knew as RoboSam? Seems quite convenient. Of course, why would Death hide anything, although he does like to teach lessons in unappealing but effective ways. It just seems that he got Sam's soul back fairly easily, so I'm inclined to believe he had it all along and finally retrieved it to keep Dean from getting more sidetracked and on whatever 'quest' Death wanted him on.
ReplyDeleteI don't want that. It would destroy Cas' and Dean's relationship to a point where it can't mend.
ReplyDeleteI love the theory, though. It makes a lot of sense (which puts me in a state of denial lol), but I just can't have Cas be like any other Angel then. That wouldn't show us any character growth. The fact that he learned human emotion and used it to betray the boys? Haven't all the Angels and the Demons betrayed them at one point or another (except for Cas)?
But it would give us a good starting point for season 7, which I know the CW will give us or risk bodily injury (ha ha). ;)
ReplyDeleteYes but there is also Jesse and Kali.......
ReplyDeleteThe thing about Death and the reapers is they don't care about the angel war, that is what Tessa said in season 4 and why Death gave Dean the ring in season five..... So Death had no real motive to bring him back other then awarding Dean for doing what Death told him to.....
ReplyDeleteI don't think that he's more powerful than Michael and Lucifer and the box is doing a good job containing them. Plus, Cas is still incapable of telling a lie; this has to be part of the reason that Balthazar is the one who created the scheme in the French Mistake. I trust him when he said that putting Sam's soul in his body would be torturous for him. I think that he's probably going to end up being proven right on that one before season's end.
ReplyDeleteI do think that Cas and Crowley had a deal going on, and this was the regrettable thing that Cas did. It would make sense to reach some sort of detante for both parties. Neither Cas nor Crowley want the Apocalypse to restart and both want to make sure that their counterpart in Heaven/ Hell doesn't want to restart it either. It's the Heaven and Hell version of USA-USSR arms control talks. However, Crowley, being a demon, ruined the deal by poking around Purgatory. I'm sure that Crowley and his Alpha-monsters prying didn't help the situation. Notice that Sam and Dean haven't thought to ASK Cas if he had a deal or was working with Crowley. Cas hasn't had to answer that question, so he hasn't had to lie (badly) about it.
I don't think that Cas is an advesary/ enemy of the boys, but I do think that Cas has larger concerns he has to deal with. If he loses against Raphael, then basically the whole Apocalypse starts all over again. So he has to balance his desire to protect humanity and do the job he feels that God resurrected him to do against his friendship with and loyalty toward both brothers.
No it isn't just you since Jared does look like an older, hotter Harry Potter.
ReplyDeleteI have no clue. It couldn't have been Eve since she was trapped in Purgatory at the time. I don't think it was Castiel either since he is a crappy liar. I think his regrets probably have more to do with leaving the boys in the lurch while he tends to whatever's going on in Heaven but he did get that power boost. So I have no idea since I'm just as in the dark about who pulled out Sam as I am about who A is on Pretty Little Liars.
I'm liking this theory a lot and it sounds quite plausible.
ReplyDeleteI'm still confused as why the writers had Death tell Dean he was digging at something with the souls and to keep digging and Dean would know more when he needed to. Just seems like they abandoned that.
ReplyDeleteor maybe none of the characters we already know pulled Sam out of the cage, maybe we're in for something that is going to blow our minds... but, then again, Sam's comeback does seem to coincide with the monsters running free and about and now the Mother (why didn't they get Gaga to play her? kidding...or am I?) has finally arisen, so I'm thinking there has to be some connection here.
ReplyDeleteI have a feeling the soul thing will be the big arc for season 7. So, not so much abandoned it as postponed it to wrap up with this season.
ReplyDeleteNothing has ever been said that Sam being brought back had anything to do with the angel war. Death gave Dean a spiel about souls. That's his interest. What Death's interest is in them and what he wants Dean to figure out as his 'intrepid detective' still remains to be seen. There are still far too many irons in the fire for us to count anything out.
ReplyDeleteAs long as it isn't the fairies, leprechauns, and brownies, I'm good. Well, I don't want it to be God either.
ReplyDeleteI'm leaning towards Eve or Cas. I'm thinking Eve mostly because her story hasn't played out much this season and they need her to be a catalyst to something bigger if they want to make the hunt to destroy her more than just another monster of the week. However, it doesn't seem likely that she would have pulled Grandpa Creepy into it, and I don't believe in coincidences. Eve has been all about being the good mother, and even a monster mother doesn't get points for having her kids tortured. So maybe not Eve.
Cas has been shady all year and I believe that "regrettable things" is a lot bigger than some fans are willing to believe Cas would go. We've already seen him embrace a "the ends justify the means" philosophy and whatever it was, it is going to be big and nasty. I expect it will change some people's view of Cas. Using the Winchesters as an unwitting accomplice in his war would do it. I also firmly believe that he was working with Crowley to meet those ends. If they were working together over Eve, then the question becomes were they trying to release Eve or were they trying to overthrow her in Purgatory.
In the end, the whole question is why do people want souls and how badly is this going to screw with the Winchesters.
Intresting thought!
ReplyDeleteYou´re right, Death got Sam soul back pretty easy. Until now I just asumed, he is Death and therefore can do whatever he wants. But I remembered how everybody kept saying that it is almost impossible to get into the cage (well if it would be that easy, someone had tried it before).
OK, Death is definitly up on my list again. As is Castiel (he is still my number one suspect). Eve? Not so sure, cause she escaped purgatory late in the season (but not counting her out, just to be on the safe side ;)
All I know, I never believed it had been Crowley and I was squealing like crazy "I knew it!" when I read this on jbcon.
LOL so many choices it is making your head spin, doesn´t it?
ReplyDeleteFor me anyone above is under suspicion. I only thing I do not believe is, that it is someone wh don´t know yet. The season is almost ending. I don´t think they introduce a new player with that kind of mojo so late into the season when they haven´t even dealt with Eve.
Unless....uhm...this new player is meant to be taken over into season 7? Damn, Jilly, now I have another theory to deal with; my mind explodes :)
I doubt any of the angels pulled Sam out. After all, there were more powerful angels than Castiel that wanted Lucifer out of the cage in order to start the apocalypse. If Raphael or Michael were powerful enough to pull Sam out of the cage, wouldn't they also have been powerful enough to pull Lucifer out? (Unless it's just easier to pull a physical body out of a spiritual realm than it is to pull a spirit out of a spiritual realm, I don't see why this wouldn't be correct.)
ReplyDeleteSo because Raphael and Michael never pulled Lucifer out of the cage, we can rule them out (assuming that exception that pulling a physical body out of a spiritual realm being easier isn't true). And because they're more powerful than Castiel, we can rule him out. Virgil did have all the weapons of heaven, so maybe he was able to use those to pull Sam out of the cage, but I would think that's the only angel that could have done it.
At this point God, Death, or some character we haven't met yet are the only legitimate suspects I can think of.
Also, might this confirmation that Crowley didn't resurrect Sam support the theory that he didn't resurrect Samuel either?
I am soo happy that someone has said this. It was stated that something is going to change everyone's relationship and that the rest of the season is suppose to be dark and heart-breaking. What would be more heartbreaking than hearing that Cas pulled Sam out of the cage soulless?
ReplyDeleteHe was pissed that Dean put Sam's soul back. He did not want it back.
And whoever said that Cas is incapable of lying remember that he played a good game face when Dean was stuck in the Green Room before saving the day.
He is making some questionable moves and with the upcoming wanting to kill Fate? That one has me scratching my head. He is not going to Balthazar telling him to go back and let the Titantic sink, instead he is telling the boys that they have to kill Fate. Why is she after the boys after so long. The have been avoiding Fate for the past 6 seasons. Why now????
Oh let me guess the no rules thing right??? Well let's look at that one a little closer. B/c I am a little confused.
Lastly, If it was Raphael and he could pull someone out of the cage. Would it not lend to reason that he would pull Lucifer and Michael out to restart the apocolypse??
It was also stated that Cas said that they had to lay a seige to hell to get Dean out. Who has that kind of power behind him???
Ugh!!! head hurting will shut up now :D
those pics are great, anyone got the video?
ReplyDeleteCas has the power to raise Sam from hell. He raised Dean from hell, mind you he said it took many angels to help bring Dean out.With chaos in heaven he may not have had enough angelpower to bring both soul and body out. It would have been beneficial to bring Sam back to get Dean back in the game.But why did it take a year for sam to go after him?
ReplyDeleteIn his own right,Sam is pretty powerful, he was able to subdue Lucifer,(an archangel even though fallen is powerful enogh to have killed Gab) long enough to jump in the pit.I think it's a possibilty that He could have managed to get out is body.I suspect the cage was designed to hold archangels(as Lucifer is as well as Micheal)not humans. Thus Sam being 'powerful' got himself out.... Just thinking out loud
Good point about Raphael just pulling out Lucifer and Michael if he had that kind of juice. It would bypass the whole civil war.
ReplyDeleteI agree that the show seems to have established that the cage is more powerful than anything in the Christian mythology, so it would have to be something other than angels or demons - something that predates Christianity.
ReplyDeleteI don't think angels can freely move in and out of Lucifer's cage (the cage is portrayed as much more buried and protected than where Dean was), but I've also wondered about Sam just walking out, and whether an internal conflict within Sam of the demon powers vs. his soul which repressed those powers caused the split between body and soul to begin with. To me that would be the most interesting scenario - that this psychic split was caused by his own internal conflict. His demon powers were in his body, and when they separated from his soul, his body just released itself. The question of course is why we didn't see any evidence of demonic powers in RoboSam, but it's possible he was hiding them from Dean.
ReplyDeleteThe problem I'm having with these two is that they haven't been seen since their one episode. It would seem a little random if they suddenly reappeared and were responsible for a development so important this season.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I'm wondering if Cas didn't have all the weapons then, or did used one or some of the weapons to get Sam out, or isn't possibly working with Crowley and pulled Sam out. I dunno. So many questions...so very confused. I just wouldn't put it past Cas to do something like that, especially since he's said regrettable things had been required of him.
ReplyDeleteWell, I have this thoery -
ReplyDeleteIt is God: At the start of the season, it was told that the thing who pulled Sam was the one who pulled Samuel as well. God might pulled them out of the cage without the soul because he wanted sam to join Samuel and together they will stop the Alpha cretuars and Crowly...
Also, I think that it was told that Chuck would return this season in some point.
but well, i may be wrong... :P So lets wait to the season to return
I am unsure if Cas would have had the juice or the inclination - which means God, possibility, Cas said no one had seen him so how would they know? Perhaps he deliberately left the soul out because of what they are facing, knowing that Eve was rising, which might be because of the failed apocalypse - after all, if Angel's or demons don't rule the earth, maybe the monsters figured it was time for them to take over? The only other 'decidedly shady' character who has the weapons and therefore might have the juice - is Balthazar - he certainly knows a thing or two.
ReplyDeleteWe have lots of suspects and no clues really - since they tend to deliberately curve ball us in the writers room :) Can't wait.
He's spent an entire year as a wavelength of celestial intent - his people skills are lacking and he's clearly fighting a war he finds embarassing given his reaction to telling Sam and Dean the truth about the war in heaven. Scenario - Cas is a really bad liar, hence why he allowed Balthazar to zap them out of this reality in The French Mistake. Balthazar said he was 'deep, deep underground' what does he mean by that? He could have said hiding - where is it that B hid the weapons? Crowley was always good at bluffing, so whilst it was mildly feasible as 'king of hell' that he could get Sam out - I doubt he'd have the juice to pull Samuel down. Samuel's desperate and creepy need to get his daughter back ''shudder'' was all it took for Crowley to find him and turn him to his intentions. Castiel showed no patience with Crowley whatsoever and Crowley's remark of 'we haven't seen you all season' should rule out any Cas/Crowley alliance - I think we could go nuts trying to hash this thing out... but hey, let's keep on scratching at that wall! Oh and another thing, Sam's soul would not have been as damaged had it been dragged out of hell's Lucy cage at the same time as Sam - because it was literally the same day/night.
ReplyDeleteSam having the juice to get himself out? I am intigued but not sold on that because that would make him too all powerful and he certainly isn't that. Like Willow in btvs became a world ending witch, it would mean Sam wouldn't have Alpha issues at all. Interesting isn't it? Roll on Friday :)
My vote goes for Castiel. But the soulless thing really is not reassuring if it really was him.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Sam having the juice to get himself out makes him all powerful. We've only seen the powers work against demons, not even angels yet, and never against monsters. Also, he's spent most of the series repressing those powers because he thought they were evil, so it's possible those powers would only come out full force without a soul to push them down. Besides, Eve is all-powerful so the boys are going to need some serious juice to battle her. It would be kind of cool - and ironic - if Sam could turn around this curse and lead a demon army to fight against the bad guys.
ReplyDeleteJared confirmed at the convention that Kripke didn't and is not going to take Sam any further with his powers because it was too much like the Force in Star Wars, so I doubt it has anything to do with his powers, him using them or him hiding them from Dean. :-( Which is disappointing. I love Sam's powers and when he uses them.
ReplyDeleteThrowing out one more idea. Mary could have had something to do with it. She could have made a deal with something to get Sam out. That something may have left the soul behind just because it was evil, or maybe it wasn't powerful enough to pull a soul out of Lucifer's cage.
ReplyDeleteAnyone heard of the comic book series PREACHER? I recommend it.
ReplyDeleteLets just say the plot involves an angel (Castiel) and demon (Crowley) alliance of sorts that results in the creation of a character without a moral compass (soulless Sam) who happens to possess a man who is driven by a strong sense of right and wrong(Sam).
There are definite similarities between the plot of PREACHER and season 6 depending on how you interpret things.
To me it feels like the souls storyline is coming to a head right now-as in the episodes leading to the finale- think about it the next episode just happens to be about souls/natural order/fate. The intrepid reporter thing/whatever Death wants Dean to discover will most likely come to play in the Dean centric episode-episode 21-since Kripke said it would be dealing with one part of the seasons mythology and the finale a different part?
ReplyDeleteI'm going with whatever Dean discovering the mystery of the souls before the season is up. It appears to be a major part of the season rather than a storyline abandoned, fans just think it has been because Dean hasn't been actively searching for clues to solving the mystery. I think it will just be something he realises when he's supposed to, the clues will be in the upcoming episodes.
Thanks for the info. I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand the powers did get a little hokey some times, and they made the power balance between Sam and Dean uneven, but on the other, the demon blood has been part of Sam's biological and psychological makeup since he was six months old, so they need to address this.
ReplyDeleteSo if the powers/boy king legacy isn't a factor, that leaves the motivations for pulling Sam out either in the angel/vessel area or personal. Without the powers, Sam is just human, and I'm not on board with the killing machine theory because Soulless Sam without his powers is no more dangerous than any well-trained sociopath. Dangerous, yes, but not worth going through through the trouble of breaking him out of Lucifer's cage. I don't like the angel/vessel theory because if someone needed Sam to be a vessel, why not just wait until they can get Lucifer out as well? Also, angels shouldn't be able to easily mess with Lucifer's cage given the mythology the show has built up. So that leaves personal as the motivation.
Could it have been Eve? I know we only recently discovered her existence, but if she truly is the mother of all, could she have done this?
ReplyDeleteLove the pics! Jared's hair is so long once again! I bet that convention was a fun one! I hope one day to attend one, if only the nice people at those conventions could come to the DC area!
I think the scariest possibility is that NOBODY pulled Sam from the cage.
ReplyDeleteSam was stronger than Lucifer when he jumped into the pit so maybe Sam was exiled (kicked out) from Hell because he was too dangerous, and maybe he was separated from his soul to keep him from being a threat.
This means that Death put up a wall not to protect Sam but to keep him from figuring out what he did in Hell and what he's capable of.
I don't think they've abandoned that)
ReplyDeletethis soul-digging thing will come up either at the finale or as the (part of the) arc of season 7
You know, I was thinking that this morning while enduring my own version of hell. (Treadmill followed by rowing machine). As you say, Sam had to be incredibly strong to overcome Lucifer. So it'll be interesting to see if this theory is correct.
ReplyDeleteThe idea popped into my head because I watched the episode with Death again and it seemed to me that getting Sam his soul back isn't something Death would do under any circumstance. The "Dean is a reaper for a day" agreement seemed like a flimsy trade-off for such a huge favor.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking through the entire episode, "Death doesn't really need some insignificant little human to understand what he goes through every day, does he?"
Death had to have some other reason for retrieving Sam's soul and putting up that wall.
i think it was Raphael
ReplyDeleteI like this theory and it would be interesting if it played out that way...but.
ReplyDeleteI don´t want to spoil the mood, but Kripke already told us that he doesn´t want to pursue the road of Sam´s power anymore because he doesn´t want Sam to become all too powerful. With that in mind, I don´t think the writers made Sam that dangerous.
But, by all means writers, prove me wrong!
Well, then Kripke has more influence over the show than he likes to let on. Something like that should be Sera Gamble's decision now. These should be her stories to tell. So much for stepping down after season five, I guess.
ReplyDeleteAs I said in a post further down, I have mixed feelings about this. I'm generally not a big fan of superpowers, and if Sam and Dean had never had powers, and I heard now that one of them was going to get superpowers, I would have said that's an awful idea. But the thing is, there's been five years of buildup around Sam's powers, and he has yet to really use them. He didn't need them to become Lucifer's vessel. Adam worked out just fine without them.
ReplyDeleteI also think the boys could use some more firepower on their side. If they were still playing the world of ghosts and regular demons, they'd get along fine without any extra power on their side, but they're up against archangels, death, the mother of all monsters ... Without some power of their own, they'll just get swatted around like flies. Or they'll have to stick really close to their angel friends and let the angels do the fighting for them.
It was me, I did it. I was just so upset I couldn't get his soul out as well I've kept quiet, up until now. I felt I needed to step forward and take responsibility so other innocent parties wouldn't be saddled with the blame. I hope you all can forgive me for saying silent for so long.
ReplyDeleteI am also a little dissapointed at the route they´ve chosen.
ReplyDeleteThey put so much energy in building up Sam powers. And emphasized, how he is a new level of freak (would make him an Alpha?) and how it is in his blood, where he can never scrub it clean. Even Ruby mentioned how he didn´t need a feather to fly.
All this drama they´ve put us through for five seasons - starting with the visions, the fight Sam died for and Dean sold his soul for, the "you´ve got to save your brother or kill him" (Yeah, leave the assasination of your son to your other son, John, father of the year) up to the point where "drinking so much demon blood (and that´s been disgusting to put us through) would change him forever (RoboSam not counting)" - has been for nothing. They started to build up a storyline for years and then just dropped it.
At least, if they didn´t wanna go down that road, they could explained how Sam lost all his powers. A little sentence here or there as an expanation wouldn´t have hurt.
But to just never touch this and hope the fans would forget about it?
Worked to well for them with the amulet! They should know by now that we´re like dogs with a bone.
Yes, exactly! You worded this better than me, but I agree with everything you said. The more I think about this, the more I'm getting ticked off.
ReplyDeleteIt's not that they're dropping one of Sam's storylines, the struggle on whether to use the powers and the question of what it would do to Sam has became Sam's only character story since he left Stanford. I'm willing to bet it's been the focus of every centric he's had.
If they wipe out the demon blood/powers storyline, the writers really have a blank slate to work with when it comes to character development. What character traits have been contributed to Sam? He's brainy, obsessive, compassionate, has a temper, and has an independent streak. YED said Sam was the smartest, strongest, and a natural born leader. Sam dropped out of school and mostly uses his brain now to research monsters, so we haven't seen anything remarkable there lately. The obsessive, temper, and independent traits were tied to Lucifer and will likely be muted now. Is he still strong? Yes, but no more than Dean. A natural born leader? Who is he going to lead hunting with Dean? Dean? That will work out well. So that leaves compassionate, and I really hope that the plan isn't to make Sam's whole storyline being about feeling bad about things he did in Hell or as RoboSam.
I dont think, It's Cas. He has already pulled Dean out of Hell..
ReplyDeleteEve, maybe?
Cas did betray the both of them - when he let Sam out of the Panic room at the End of S4.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about Death and the reapers is they don't care about the angel war, that is what Tessa said in season 4 and why Death gave Dean the ring in season five..... So Death had no real motive to bring him back other then awarding Dean for doing what Death told him to.....
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