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Supernatural - Episode 6.20 - The Man Who Would Be King - Press Release

14 Apr 2011

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“SUPERNATURAL” — (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET)
“The Man Who Would Be King” (TV-14, LV) (HDTV)

EXECUTIVE PRODUCER BEN EDLUND WROTE AND DIRECTED THE EPISODE – Castiel (Misha Collins) tells Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Bobby (Jim Beaver) about the war in Heaven and how he and Raphael became enemies. Bobby believes Castiel is hiding something, but Dean refuses to believe it. Ben Edlund wrote and directed the episode (#620).

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59 comments:

  1. jillyanne14 April 2011 at 22:44

    Bobby 'wasn't born last nigh't - as we know. Dean won't want to believe Cas is being shady.
    But we all know he's up to SOMETHING.
    Still don't know why Cas didn't gank Raphael at t he end of The French Mistake......

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  2. Matan Bahar14 April 2011 at 22:46

    Yes! Finally some heaven war action. This is gonna be awesome.

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  3. Dahne14 April 2011 at 22:51

    Believe it Dean, believe it. When has Bobby been wrong? Way too many questions about how Castiel has been acting for him to be innocent.

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  4. Dahne14 April 2011 at 22:51

    Or why he torched Crowley right away instead of asking questions about Purgatory and Crowley's plans.

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  5. Courtney Sellar14 April 2011 at 22:54

    Poor Dean :( defending his angel. But god, this episode has me so scared. I really don't want Castiel to betray the boys (and Bobby) but it sure seems to be heading there :( This is gonna break Dean (not just speaking as a Destiel fan here, my non-shipper friends and family agree)

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  6. jillyanne14 April 2011 at 22:59

    Exactly.
    Cas better have a damn good reason for all this.
    These are his friends he's screwing over.
    And we all know Sam and Dean have never gone for 'the good of the many' (eg. Jus in Bello) to justify action.

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  7. tvmonkey14 April 2011 at 23:01

    And cue the Dean/Cas relationship angst, inappropriate innuendo and eye sexing! One to make the Dean/Cas shippers all gooey, for a while at least any way!

    Bobby is always right, trust Bobby! I need no further proof that Cas is up to something shady.

    Off course Dean will be trust/believe Cas it'll add to the level of drama/angst/hurt/betrayal when Cas's secret is found out.

    We've already been told the relationship between Cas and the boys is going to change, something tells me it aint going to be for the better and Dean is going to get burned!

    Will Cas still be considered a Winchester friend and ally by the end of the season?

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  8. tvmonkey14 April 2011 at 23:03

    weren't we told there wouldn't be much actual heaven war action? We're going to experience/hear about it only in terms of ho it affects the brothers and their world (human world)?

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  9. Matan Bahar14 April 2011 at 23:03

    One theory is that Cas & Crowley co-operated to draw out Eve, so they can get rid of her for good. 'The enemy of the enemy is my friend', as they say.

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  10. AllyAF14 April 2011 at 23:04

    With this, I'm even more willing to believe the ''Cas saved Sam,s body from the cage'''s theory

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  11. Matan Bahar14 April 2011 at 23:09

    Even 5 minutes is good for me. I just wanna see angelic chaotic war. Even if it's low-budget of what not. If they only reference it, I would be very sad...

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  12. jillyanne14 April 2011 at 23:15

    The sooner the writers stop feeding into the destiel crap the better IMO. If that means Dean getting burned - bring it on.
    You'd think they'd know better than to trust any angel by now.

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  13. SPNrules14 April 2011 at 23:16

    I am kind of concerned. I have pondering Cas a lot lately and agree with a lot of you here.

    But I have taken it further.....please forgive me, but it is just where my mind went.

    Remember they did say that relationships will be changed forever.

    So what if Dean chose Cas over Bobby. Leaving Bobby in a bad place. B/c we already know that he has residual feelings towards Sam and then Dean turns his back on him.

    Because of this conflict Bobby is the one who dies. After his death, we find out exactly what Cas is hiding and Dean feels like the biggest ass in the world. And we end up with a Grandpa storyline. "Next time I see you, I am going to kill you."

    The only reason why I went down this road is b/c of the teasers we have been getting. Like "The rest of this season is going to be very dark and heart-breaking and the heart-breaking could start soon." Eric Kripke stated in one article. (I believe it was posted here or maybe a quote from Paley-Fest).

    I don't know what the hell is up with Cas. I would hate to think that Cas has been playing the boys.

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  14. tvmonkey14 April 2011 at 23:19

    Its not whether he saved Sam's body from the cage that is the important question but rather did he have something to do with Sam's soul not being saved from the cage?

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  15. AllyAF14 April 2011 at 23:20

    that's what I wanted to say by that...was too lazy to requote en whole theory :)

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  16. AllyAF14 April 2011 at 23:22

    Remind me of the very first trailers of Season 6:
    ''Family is about trust....trust no one''
    ''Friends are about trust...trust no one''

    Or the only ''Trust no one...'' trailer

    ^^; Samuel couldn't be trust...neither did Sam in the first half of the season....seem like Cass can't be trust either...seem like this little sentence in the promos had more meaning than if first seem

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  17. tvmonkey14 April 2011 at 23:26

    An interesting theory. Would Dean chose Cas over Bobby? Would Sam follow his brother and do the same? It seems the brothers are going to be sticking together for the rest of the season so i imagine where one places their trust the other will follow.

    I actually thought the relationship changing was the one between Cas and the boys, I don't know if its been hinted at or if I'm just assuming like others?!

    For the record I'll be extremely pissed if Dean chooses Cas over Bobby. Dean who is all about family loyalty? Nope sorry don't see it happening.

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  18. chris68414 April 2011 at 23:33

    I'm suspicious that Bobby is going to die, but not because of Cas. They've been putting Bobby in a lot of episodes lately, and they replayed Weekend at Bobby's last week. Those are are the type of things shows do before they kill off characters to maximize the emotional impact. Also, And Then There Were None could have been the perfect fakeout to make fans think that Bobby missed the bullet and is safe.

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  19. yavemiel14 April 2011 at 23:37

    This simply proves that old SPN adage: Bobby is always right. Always. And even more so when one of the boys agrees with him. I'm looking forward to hearing Cas's story and I will be very disappointed if he turns out to be playing them. But yeah, like I said. Bobby? Always right.

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  20. SuePo14 April 2011 at 23:40

    I figured Cas was hiding something from the jump this year. I know Dean needs to believe in him (the man has had so little to believe in lately) but I'm with Bobby. His instincts aren't clouded by friendship or gratitude. Castiel did pull Dean from Hell, so it makes sense Dean would want to believe in him until proven otherwise. He feels he owes him. But Bobby sees things much clearer. Shame on you, Cas.

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  21. Katie122714 April 2011 at 23:44

    Bobby is kind in a bad position to speak about ''keeping secrets'' and hiding things ^^; He's the one who keep the secret of 'sam's return for a whole year (o.0 if you think about it, if Dean had learned sooner about 'Sam' 's return, he would have found the problem a lot sooner and save Sam from hell a lot sooner too....maybe before it was too late)...all cause Bobby kept the secret

    I guess we'll see about Cas's secret, I hope he had a good reason

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  22. Kyelinn14 April 2011 at 23:44

    I couldn't agree with this more.

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  23. Jaclyn14 April 2011 at 23:50

    I seriously have issues with this Castiel arc thing - I have a bad feeling that they are doing away with the character and this is how to make it easy - put him at odds with the heroes. Shame to ruin such a good relationship - and is everyone forgetting Sam and Dean would have been toast if he had not have shown up? Love Bobby, but I don't know about making Cas the bad guy - I hope all of the above is completely wrong - meaning me, but I have a terribly bad feeling about this.

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  24. Jaclyn15 April 2011 at 00:03

    Hmm, reading some of these comments one thing seems clear - trust issues with an Angel - since when has Dean ever trusted anyone other than Sam and come on guys - who burns Dean more than Sam has in the past - they are brothers, it matters more. Cas has hidden his complicity in letting Sam out of the panic room in S4 allowing Ruby to get hold of him - secrets can be new or old.

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  25. Chanelle Montpetit15 April 2011 at 00:34

    I DONT LIKE THIS! seriously IDONT

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  26. CyanaT15 April 2011 at 01:03

    Exactly the critical issue, Ally and tvmonkey. Then again I've distrusted Castiel since he never owned up to letting Sam out of the Panic room, instead always blaming the boys for starting the apocalypse, generally speaking .

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  27. Kyelinn15 April 2011 at 01:23

    But we know that Bobby is in the season finale. So I don't think he's going to get killed off in this episode. If he does get killed off, it'll be during the finale.

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  28. Kyelinn15 April 2011 at 01:32

    This just furthers my fears that Cas had something to do with Sam being brought back soulless... I remember Ben Edlund saying that this episode is going to be heartbreaking and emotional. If Castiel is hiding something that major from Dean, the fact that he had something to do with Sam's resurrection without a soul, I don't even know. Dean's going to be beyond pissed, beyond infuriated that his friend would do something like this his little brother who Cas also calls a friend. But then to be in Sam's position (if this whole thing were possible) how would you feel? I mean can you imagine that somebody you've trusted and called "friend" was the cause of you being separated from your soul in the first place?

    Being in Sam's shoes for a moment, you know that you did all these horrible things while you were soulless but only have some memories of what happened, so you have somewhat of a good idea of what you did, and that whole time your soul was in Hell suffering, being flayed to the raw nerve and skinned alive and that was all because of your friend, how would you feel? I'd be...so hurt, crushed. I don't think I could even really be angry, I'd be too hurt that my friend was the reason for my running around for an entire year like a savage animal, killing innocent people during hunts and such, and whatever else I could possibly have done while the REAL me was down in Lucifer's cage suffering repeatedly at the hands of two pissed off archangels. I'd be brokenhearted.

    I think my big brother would be brokenhearted too. I can see how a scenario like this would be heartbreaking, but I am probably completely wrong here. I just haven't had a good feeling about Cas all season. Something has just felt off to me, and truthfully if this has anything to do with Cas after power, the war in Heaven or anything like that, I wouldn't put it past him to do something like this time Sam. The thing about this press releases is that they've been so vague this season. Perhaps the bit where it says Dean refuses to believe actually refers to what Cas has done and Dean refuses to believe Cas has done this to Sam? I imagine he'd be in denial about Cas keeping something from them as well, but eh. I'm sorry. I'm just babbling now. I just don't rule out any possibilities anymore what with show has thrown at us all season long. Anyway, please don't take any offense to my post. I don't hate Cas, but I don't trust him this season either. Especially after TFM. =/ My apologies.

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  29. Wilson Crawford15 April 2011 at 02:12

    SRSLY.

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  30. Claudia15 April 2011 at 02:52

    Finally some answers. :D I wonder what Castiel is hiding. Did he get involved with Crowley? Or is he ashamed of something?

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  31. comicfangirl15 April 2011 at 04:29

    Took you long enough Bobby! Cas is hiding something.
    First I thought Cas was traumatized because of the ongoing Civil War in Heaven, but as I re-watched Season 6 during Hellatus it hit me: Castiel is hiding something, that's why he was acting so awkward all season.
    As Cas stated numerous times, Angels are warriors, so he should be used to fight and kill in a war.

    Either Cas brought back soulless Sam, or he knows which angel did, yeah Balthy you're my suspect no. 2 in this.
    Or Cas did forge an truly unholy alliance with Crowley and sent him to Purgatory on purpose. Maybe Cas thought he could recruit an army of monsters from Purgatory to help him win the Civil War in Heaven, but that backfired?

    Dean, Dean, you can't believe that Cas would betray you? *sigh* Dicks with wings, remember Dean?
    And BTW Cas said it himself, that his allegiance is with Heaven not Humans.

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  32. CyanaT15 April 2011 at 04:39

    I would hate the "Bobby dying" scenario but you may be on the right track with your theory. I just don't if the viewers will be privy to *all* the "regrettable things" Castiel has done (thru Cas only flashbacks) when Cas explains to the boys and Bobby the reason he and Raphael no longer "play well together" and Bobby and the boys don't get the whole story and if Cas goes to tell them *more* and Dean cuts Cas off with his "slate-wiped clean and we're good" speech. Meanwhile the audience because they were part of Castiel's flashback or something. Bobby wants to know more and expresses his feeling that Castiel should tell them more. *If'* Bobby dies and he was right - that Cas did more to harm the Winchesters than they know and Dean finds out he'll be furious with Cas.

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  33. Paula R. Stiles15 April 2011 at 06:29

    Bobby is always right? Since when? When he didn't even notice there was anything wrong with Sam for a year and a half and dismissed Dean's concerns, even helping Sambot lie to Dean for a year about his being out of Hell? Or when Sambot got the drop on him and Dean had to come back from playing Death to save him? Or how about when Bobby made that deal with Crowley last season? Or the poker game he lost with the manwitch, thus forcing Dean to play and save him? Or when he didn't want to believe that his zombie wife would turn evil and kicked the brothers out of the house for saying so? Or how about when he screwed up on a hunt way back when and broke up his partnership with Rufus? Or screwed up on a hunt back in season three and got himself stuck in a dreamscape that, again, Dean had to break him out of?

    Seems to me that Bobby's been wrong plenty of times. And if we're basing the idea that Castiel is "bad" based on his acting dumb when he should have been smart, I'd say Bobby's been just as shady this season as Castiel. Why *would* Dean automatically believe Bobby over Castiel, under the circumstances?

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  34. tvmonkey15 April 2011 at 06:50

    Its not about making him the bad guy, its more making him the well intentioned guy who just happened to do some really questionable things where the people closest to him, that trusted him are the ones that get hurt. Sound like someone else we know? Cas's plight seems to be heading in a Sam season 4 direction. Sam wasn't the bad guy he just cocked up and hurt Dean but his intentions were never bad or evil.

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  35. tvmonkey15 April 2011 at 07:00

    But that secrets already out in the open and yeah Dean was hurt but I think he was also a unable to deny the fact that Lisa and Ben were more than just a promise to Sam. He needed and wanted to be with them, that year may have been miserable and full of grief but it seems it was also happy and full of the one thing Dean has been wanting for quite a while now-a family?

    I like to think one of the reasons Bobby couldn't look at Sam when his soul was returned in LAV (apart from the obvious) was because he felt guilty, if he's figured it out sooner or even at all, or if he's told Dean then Sam could have been saved a hell of a lot of pain.

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  36. KatHale15 April 2011 at 08:26

    I can't even decide what scares me the most..Castiel hiding something(which,okay,we kind of knew already) or Dean refusing to believe that he is(but still finds out by the end of the episode)..

    I think that the important question is:Who or what is the secret about?He said himself that he had to do some "regrettable" things.An alliance with Crowley is one thing..Wrong,but not something that can never be forgiven by Sam and Dean,especially if he did it to end the War.
    But if he had something to do with Sam coming back without his soul,things will turn ugly...
    I don't think that they'll make Cas evil.Even Jared said in an interview that all he does,he does with good intentions.Which,of course,doesn't make it right,but he doesn't fall in the "evil" category.

    Something else that draw my attention is the "he tells Sam,Dean and Bobby...and how he and Raphael became enemies."
    How they became enemies?!?Do you think that it goes a little further back?Otherwise,it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they're enemies.Raphael wants the Apocalypse to happen,Cas doesn't,end of story.Maybe something else happened..

    This is the episode I'm dreading the most so far..Ben Edlund has proven many times that he can turn all the fans into a sobbing mess and I have the very bad feeling that he's about to do it again... : (

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  37. Kitanishi H McDonald15 April 2011 at 09:30

    "hell is paved with good intentions" :)

    Its yet again, do ends justify the means.

    Castiel might have had good intentions and noble goal, but if he did all kinds of atrocities to achieve it, does it justify those goals?


    Example: if the world for some reason will end when human population will reach certain number and I decide to solve it by nuking half the population to hell, am I right in doing it? Hey my intentions were good and I saved half the humanity at the cost of half the humanity. But does it justify it?

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  38. ☥Évangeline Wargha☥15 April 2011 at 09:44

    One should listen to Bobby most of the time, but the fact that Dean trusts Castiel despite the older hunter's suspicion warms my heart. Their friendship is not gone after all :)

    Even if I also think that Cas is totally up to something and doing something shady and Dean would be really sad or really really pissed at him about that later :(

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  39. sharonally15 April 2011 at 09:45

    The trouble is Castiel is a Angel even despite thew weird attempt by the writers to make im somewhat human in Season 5 he is a celestial being . People read more into the Dean/ Castiel stuff from Season 4 than there . Castiel likes the boys that is obvious but he isnt human or the guy the boys will go and have a pint with.I do believe Castiel needs to win this war and whatever he has done it is with that in mind.

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  40. KatHale15 April 2011 at 09:47

    "Do ends justify the means."
    That's the big question in this show,isn't it?!?

    If you noticed,I did say that having good intentions doesn't make it okay for him to do anything he wants.I just explained that this doesn't make him "evil"..Like Lilith or Lucifer.They had (very)bad intentions from the start.There's a difference for me.

    I also believe that some things will be more easily forgiven than others.We'll just have to wait and see what he's done(and pray that he didn't do anything too bad)... : )

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  41. Kitanishi H McDonald15 April 2011 at 10:30

    Oh but good and bad intentions are merely question of perspective.


    Lucifer had good intentions - cleaning earth from humanity. A LOT of angels found those intentions good.

    Lilith had good intentions for demons. But it was otherwise very bad in POV of humans.


    What I am saying is that Castiel's "good intentions and goal" might not necessarily fit into our or Sam/Dean's "good intentions and goal" thinking. He is an angel.

    His good intentions for the world, good, etc might not be seen as such from OUR point of view. Lucifer's intentions clearly were not.

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  42. Illinidiva15 April 2011 at 11:23

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about his "conflict" with Raphael. I thought that Raphael smiting Cas in Lucifer Rising and Cas trapping him in the ring of Holy Fire is the root of their issues.

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  43. chris68415 April 2011 at 12:46

    You make a good point. I'd add to that list season 4, when Bobby was making the argument to Dean that they should let Sam out of the panic room and let him use his powers against Lilleth. Or in LaV, after Sam woke up with his soul, Bobby thought that Sam was lying to them. Or when Dean wanted to exorcise the demon in Meg (I think the show may have been Salvation), but Bobby argued against it because it would kill the girl.

    None of the characters on this show are always right, and I like it that way.

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  44. chris68415 April 2011 at 12:49

    I wasn't thinking specifically about this episode - just in general about the teased deaths. Are we even sure there is a death in this episode? I don't remember the spoilers being that specific but I didn't read everything.

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  45. chris68415 April 2011 at 13:36

    I've been all over the map on this, but I agree that Cas has been hiding some things, at least one of those things likely has to do with Sam, and that Cas has been avoiding Dean's questions about Sam all season. But I also believed that Cas genuinely cares about Sam and Dean and his relief at seeing Sam walking around OK in LaV was sincere.

    So right now I'm leaning toward the the theory that Cas' involvement is one of two things:

    a) He made a judgment call on what was best for Sam, and based on his limited understanding of humans, decided Sam would be better off without his soul because the soul was too damaged. When he realized what Sam was like, he tried to hide his involvement from Dean.

    b) He had nothing to do with Sam coming back soulless, but when he saw what Sam was like, he took advantage of Sam's state to ask Sam to do some nasty things to help him in his war. He then lied to Dean about not knowing Sam was back, but he was sincere at the time in saying that he didn't know how to help Sam. He had stopped answering Sam's calls out of guilt.

    I'm leaning toward B.

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  46. cns3e15 April 2011 at 14:36

    Please don't even put Bobby dying out there in the universe! I couldn't handle it if Bobby died!

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  47. cns3e15 April 2011 at 14:54

    That would mean that Soulless Sam also lied to Dean. Remember Soulless Sam said he had prayed to Cas and Cas never answered him. Also, Soulless Sam statement, "What you like him [Dean] better" seemed very spontaneous, so I doubt that Sam and Cas had any face to face involvement while Sam was away from Dean for that year.

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  48. chris68415 April 2011 at 16:38

    It wouldn't surprise me if soulless Sam lied to Dean. Cas and Sam may have agreed not to tell Dean about what they were doing. There was also that line from Sam to Cas in Caged Heat, "You owe me."

    I also think it's possible Sam may have been hanging around with Samuel to get intel on what Samuel and Crowley were up to on behalf of Cas, and I suspect Sam brought Dean into picture because he thought Dean might be able to get closer to Crowley and get more information. If Cas and Sam were working together on this, it would explain why they would pretend to Dean that they had had no contact with each other.

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  49. chris68415 April 2011 at 16:44

    Sorry, that would be really sad.

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  50. Kat15 April 2011 at 16:53

    I would love for the fact that Cas let Sam out of the panic room in season 4 to be known to the boys but I'm sure there's an interesting twist to what and why Cas is hiding something. Maybe Raphael didn't want angels interfering and Cas letting Sam out pissed him off? I can buy Cas was also responsible for bringing Sam back, in cahoots with Crowley and working with him. Wasn't the tag line this season "trust no one."

    I think the angel story line is about to play out...they can't keep it up forever. They offed Azazel in two seasons afterall.

    Regardless...Exciting times! The end of Hellatus is nigh!

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  51. Kyelinn15 April 2011 at 17:31

    My apologies, chris. I misunderstood your comment. I'm not sure if there is going to be a death in this episode or not truthfully. :-(

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  52. janine harris15 April 2011 at 19:51

    wow maybe castiel is up to something for his own means...lol...that would be cool...like ruby..think i would die though..

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  53. Jenna Harris15 April 2011 at 19:53

    wow maybe castiel is up to something for his own means...lol...that would be cool...like ruby..think i would die though..

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  54. CyanaT15 April 2011 at 23:50

    Amen, sister! The boys ought to know by now that each and every supernatural being they've encountered has their own agenda that may or may not at any given time coincide with our boys'.

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  55. Mark Leighton16 April 2011 at 19:10

    Also, with remember Death's comment telling Dean to keep digging. It sounds like Death could want purgatory or someone in it...

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  56. ronda monschau21 April 2011 at 21:17

    maybe cas sold his angel soul to crowley to bring sam back and thats why he torched crowley so fast because cas didnt want to be his servent in helping round up monsters. and now since crowleys gone he can use the monster for the war.Maybe that was his intention all along. maybe cas thought using the monsters in the war would help dean and sam get rid of the monsters cause their all gonna die agast angels and cas could try to save what angels he could. the vamp in the episode where dean got turned did say their building an army for a war. and now cas is working with the mother of all

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  57. Craig Smith21 April 2011 at 23:54

    Well all I've got to say on this is... Purgatory is full of the souls of monsters, Cas has been trying to get extra souls for use in the war, Cas sent Crowly into Purgatory when he killed him, I think Cas and Crowly have some sorta shadey deal going on to surply Cas with souls of the monsters and in return Crowly gets some chunk of Purgatory or even Heaven

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  58. Maria29 April 2011 at 00:46

    I just know Cas is into something shady, but I still love the character. As Rachel said, he's changed and become something else, but when hasn't Dean been betrayed? I don't think Cas would kill either Sam or Dean, but I don't think he's above using them (French Mistake).

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  59. Chess O'Dowd5 May 2011 at 14:23

    I love Cas. I dont want him to go Dark Side....i just want them to remain a happy freaky family...

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