Hmmm, I'm not sure what I think of the Cersei and Robert scenes. Mark Addy mentions that he believes that Cersei once loved Robert, implying that Robert's boozing and whoring are to blame for the state of affairs. If you've read the books, *SPOILER ALERT*, I think you'll agree with me that Cersei never once had feelings for Robert. She's a complex character, certainly, but I never got a whiff of any such a previous relationship. She only loves one person (and even with a spoiler alert, I'll not mention it here).
I feel mostly the same way about Cersei, but there is one line in the first book that she truly loved Robert but on their wedding night he called her by another's name. Wecan only assume it's Lyanna.
I am reading the books again in anticipation.... I have a new theory or two I missed the first time I read them Kinda fun!
It sounds too risky to me... I have forgetful friends. Plus I have seen what freezer burn does to steaks, I don't wanna imagine what it does to humans....
That's one of the reasons that I love GRRM's writing style so much. Unlike novels like Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time Series, the hundreds of characters and intertwining plots are actually pretty easy to follow.
On top of that, the subtlety with which he writes his characters is so brilliantly done that, you can miss something completely on a first read through and yet, upon noticing it, it never really changes things too much.
*SPOILER ALERT* Case and point for me are the Renly/Loras hints that I missed COMPLETELY on my first read through. A second time through, I picked up on it a little bit and then, through the internets, found that it was pretty much a given. It doesn't change how the story progressed or how the characters behaved, but it adds some hidden motives and incentives and depth to a few of the characters.
Finally, while we're here, I was wondering if I could ask your opinion on something. I'm planning on recapping or reviewing the series and I wasn't sure how to go about doing that. Should I do an unspoilerly look at the show as it stands alone? A spoilery look at the show in regards to what we know is coming bookwise? Or a side-by-side comparison of the show vs. the POV storytelling style used by GRRM and how subtle differences and a lack of inner monologue could butterfly effect into later seasons? I'll probably post a poll asking just that, but, since you're such an avid GoT commentator/someone who reads my ridiculously long articles and comments, I thought I'd ask you first :D.
HA! Well I have been accused of being a bit verbose here myself.....
I think a recap of the series itself as one weekly article series, then maybe one at the end of the season comparing/contrasting the series vs POV book style. It would be difficult to do a spoilery weekly article based on the books since we do not know exactly how the TV series will go yet. By that I mean : Will GRRM's books be followed exactly plot and story wise? Will the series take some liberties that they feel create a better visual flow? You could give spoilers to things that aren't going to happen at all in this "act" at all...some pieces could be moved from the beginning of the book to the middle of the series or even to a different season for dramatic effect or just to make the storytelling more simplified.
For those reasons I would hold off on too much book comparison. You just don't know where events will turn up in the series just yet. t should be a fun read and is a very good idea no matter how you end up writing it :)
The reason I see the latter two being interesting is that, based on GRRM's comments and winter-is-coming.net, it would appear that GoT is going to be a much more faithful adaptation than other TV shows based on books.
For example, S1 of Dexter or True Blood followed their books decently, but changed up some key things significantly towards the end. These events then lead to significant departures from the books in later seasons.
GoT, not to make the obvious comparison, is supposedly more akin to the LoTR movies in its faithfulness. We don't get our Tom Bombadil, but all of the key things are the same. In fact, the whole point of this being on HBO and not being a movie is that, for it to be faithful and not reduced in complexity, it needs a full season.
Differences are likely to come from the lack of POV. Certain scenes can be added that weren't in the books to clarify certain things. For example, *SPOILER* they're supposedly going to include Renly/Loras' "praying" (which was only hinted at bookwise).
This also means important things for character popularity and presence. For example, Robb, though important, isn't a POV character in the books. Now, he can become just as popular/important as Jon. Another example is Davos. His presence is arguably only necessary (for now) as someone who can see the events on Dragonstone for us. He's interesting, but never really does anything. He's really just there to explain what Melisandre and Stannis are doing. Even Arya is reduced to that at times (my only major criticism of the novels). It's as if Martin puts her somewhere, just so we can see one group's plotting.
*Ahem*. ALL of that aside, I will likely recap the show as you suggested and occasionally write some comparison articles. Thanks for the input! Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
Right... even the most faithful adaptations have some changes. It's hard to use every detail when the author is as detailed as Tolkien or GRRM. I don't agree with evey change from LotR *cough*cough* Glorfindal *cough*cough*, but I do understand why the changes are needed.
Awesome to know some of the things you've been pointing out. I have mostly just watched vids or looked at promo pics in a failed effort to not become overly obsessive with GoT. That, however, doesn't mean I don't appreciate and enjoy the insigh you and Urinal and others have brought to the sight.
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Is it just me, is it the anticipation or do these videos keep getting better and better?
ReplyDeleteA bit of both :)
ReplyDeleteBy the way - I already predict an Emmy nomination for Peter Dinklage.
ReplyDeleteThey gave us the weak stuff at first and now that we are addicted they are letting it go out uncut. *taps vein*
ReplyDeleteHow many Ambien do I need to take to sleep until April 17th.. well 16th?. I would need a day to shower and eat and readjust I bet.
Anyone else think that George RR Martin's go to Halloween costume is a lawn gnome?
ReplyDeleteLearned a new English word today. Who would have thought that in all those years I never heard or had to use the word lawn gnome before...
ReplyDeleteYou could try freezing yourself in the freezer cabinet and tell someone to get you out on the 16th.
ReplyDeleteYou are lucky! My neighbor has 3... one of which is mooning their bird bath......Lawn ornamentation is beyond me.
ReplyDeletelol
ReplyDeleteBut just because I didn't know the English term, doesn't mean I never had to use it in my native language...
OH I completely agree! The character Tyrion has some of the best dialog in the series, and with Dinklage dry delivery it should mesh PERFECTLY!
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I'm not sure what I think of the Cersei and Robert scenes. Mark Addy mentions that he believes that Cersei once loved Robert, implying that Robert's boozing and whoring are to blame for the state of affairs. If you've read the books, *SPOILER ALERT*, I think you'll agree with me that Cersei never once had feelings for Robert. She's a complex character, certainly, but I never got a whiff of any such a previous relationship. She only loves one person (and even with a spoiler alert, I'll not mention it here).
ReplyDeleteI feel mostly the same way about Cersei, but there is one line in the first book that she truly loved Robert but on their wedding night he called her by another's name. Wecan only assume it's
ReplyDeleteLyanna.
I am reading the books again in anticipation.... I have a new theory or two I missed the first time I read them Kinda fun!
It sounds too risky to me... I have forgetful friends. Plus I have seen what freezer burn does to steaks, I don't wanna imagine what it does to humans....
ReplyDeleteThat's one of the reasons that I love GRRM's writing style so much. Unlike novels like Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time Series, the hundreds of characters and intertwining plots are actually pretty easy to follow.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that, the subtlety with which he writes his characters is so brilliantly done that, you can miss something completely on a first read through and yet, upon noticing it, it never really changes things too much.
*SPOILER ALERT* Case and point for me are the Renly/Loras hints that I missed COMPLETELY on my first read through. A second time through, I picked up on it a little bit and then, through the internets, found that it was pretty much a given. It doesn't change how the story progressed or how the characters behaved, but it adds some hidden motives and incentives and depth to a few of the characters.
Finally, while we're here, I was wondering if I could ask your opinion on something. I'm planning on recapping or reviewing the series and I wasn't sure how to go about doing that. Should I do an unspoilerly look at the show as it stands alone? A spoilery look at the show in regards to what we know is coming bookwise? Or a side-by-side comparison of the show vs. the POV storytelling style used by GRRM and how subtle differences and a lack of inner monologue could butterfly effect into later seasons? I'll probably post a poll asking just that, but, since you're such an avid GoT commentator/someone who reads my ridiculously long articles and comments, I thought I'd ask you first :D.
HA! Well I have been accused of being a bit verbose here myself.....
ReplyDeleteI think a recap of the series itself as one weekly article series, then maybe one at the end of the season comparing/contrasting the series vs POV book style. It would be difficult to do a spoilery weekly article based on the books since we do not know exactly how the TV series will go yet. By that I mean : Will GRRM's books be followed exactly plot and story wise? Will the series take some liberties that they feel create a better visual flow? You could give spoilers to things that aren't going to happen at all in this "act" at all...some pieces could be moved from the beginning of the book to the middle of the series or even to a different season for dramatic effect or just to make the storytelling more simplified.
For those reasons I would hold off on too much book comparison. You just don't know where events will turn up in the series just yet. t should be a fun read and is a very good idea no matter how you end up writing it :)
The reason I see the latter two being interesting is that, based on GRRM's comments and winter-is-coming.net, it would appear that GoT is going to be a much more faithful adaptation than other TV shows based on books.
ReplyDeleteFor example, S1 of Dexter or True Blood followed their books decently, but changed up some key things significantly towards the end. These events then lead to significant departures from the books in later seasons.
GoT, not to make the obvious comparison, is supposedly more akin to the LoTR movies in its faithfulness. We don't get our Tom Bombadil, but all of the key things are the same. In fact, the whole point of this being on HBO and not being a movie is that, for it to be faithful and not reduced in complexity, it needs a full season.
Differences are likely to come from the lack of POV. Certain scenes can be added that weren't in the books to clarify certain things. For example, *SPOILER* they're supposedly going to include Renly/Loras' "praying" (which was only hinted at bookwise).
This also means important things for character popularity and presence. For example, Robb, though important, isn't a POV character in the books. Now, he can become just as popular/important as Jon. Another example is Davos. His presence is arguably only necessary (for now) as someone who can see the events on Dragonstone for us. He's interesting, but never really does anything. He's really just there to explain what Melisandre and Stannis are doing. Even Arya is reduced to that at times (my only major criticism of the novels). It's as if Martin puts her somewhere, just so we can see one group's plotting.
*Ahem*. ALL of that aside, I will likely recap the show as you suggested and occasionally write some comparison articles. Thanks for the input!
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
Right... even the most faithful adaptations have some changes. It's hard to use every detail when the author is as detailed as Tolkien or GRRM. I don't agree with evey change from LotR *cough*cough* Glorfindal *cough*cough*, but I do understand why the changes are needed.
ReplyDeleteAwesome to know some of the things you've been pointing out. I have mostly just watched vids or looked at promo pics in a failed effort to not become overly obsessive with GoT. That, however, doesn't mean I don't appreciate and enjoy the insigh you and Urinal and others have brought to the sight.