unconscious (and I'm assuming there's a few other strings the main vamp can pull that we haven't yet witnessed). We get to witness one of these visions as everything gets super blurry and Dean falls to the floor, gone. His eyes whirring behind their lids, as well as every other vampire in the warehouse (and possibly every other vamp in existence).The vision is a quick one, so while watching, aside from getting the creeps from it, as a viewer one doesn't really get a good look at what's actually happening. So, after watching it repeatedly, I was naturally inclined to come up with my own assertions/questions/ideas about what is taking place in this vision, and why were even shown this vision.
Question #1: What was the point of the Vision?
I believe first and foremost, the point of the vision was to be awesome, scary, and show some aspect of the alpha vampire without actually having to show the alpha this episode. I also think it basically shows the spread of vampirism (is that a word? Oh well, I'm using it..) from the alpha--I believe from what I've seen and put together that the alpha is that rather creepy, well-dressed man caressing the children's faces: This leads us to #2.
Question #2: WTF is with the man and his scary little counterparts?
From what I can tell, the girls are twin sisters that are from a family of prestige (read: money), and the man that is caressing one of the girl's faces is their servant/slave?/butler, who just happens to have (mutated? become? always was?) a vampire, who corrupts them with his blood, and then as they become his subjects, he tells them to go out, kill, spread the disease: (cue the blood cells, the red lines expanding through a map seemingly of Illonois, many graves, and eerily, the sight of school desks and the man looking into the horizon...) "GO FORTH MY CHILDREN OF THE NIGHT!!!"
Question #3: OMG will we get to see this vision again or some sort of expansion on it? Will we meet this man and the two sisters? Will we see the full story? Does anyone else feel like this is a huge step in the right direction of going back to the roots of evil in the world? If they can make all the alphas of the monster community this scary, and this awesome, I will be extremely happy about it, and will brand this season MUCH better than season 5.
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Question #4: Is there someone above the alphas pulling the strings? What if these alphas are just pawns themselves in some gigantic conspiracy by some unknown power that we've yet to see? (I could see this being a really good idea, but also an awful idea...)
Question #5: What was the first "monster" ever? The alpha of all alphas? Is there even one? Is this even a good question?
Always enjoy your posts Wilson. I don't comment much but just wanted to say they are appreciated.
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate your appreciation :)
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure that black man IS the Alpha.
ReplyDeleteI thought the two little girls was kind of a homage to The Shining as well.
ReplyDeleteI love you're write-up, and I'm glad to say "I HAVEN'T A FRACKING CLUE!!!" LOL. I LOVE where Sera's taking us, the WWWS is driving us crazy and just waiting for the brothers to be brothers again is worth every mnute of it. WWWS = What's Wrong With Sam (if you didn't know). And now the whole Alpha Vampire, the Alpha skinwalker, and who know's how many other Alpha's is really setting us up for several more years of enjoying our favorite show "Supernatural!" I just wish the CW would come out already and announce another full year of eps.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, great article. I was waiting for something like this.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, I have no idea where it's going but I'm loving it. I was also wondering about whether there was something higher than the alphas. To only have the alphas is a bit dull because then who would they fight at the end of the season? Another alpha that's just like the others? So I like the idea of someone pulling their strings (I'd even be happy if it were just a high level demon).
I'm kind of hoping all of the different storylines tie together at the end, like somehow what's going on in heaven and hell all ties into what's happening with the alphas.
Although, having said that, they've not yet killed an alpha. A battle against ALL of them at once would be pretty epic.
ReplyDeletemaybe the alphas a preparing for a war against the angels and demons. with them in disarray everythings there for the taking but who knows
ReplyDeleteThe two little girls actually remind me of The Shining, even though I have never watched it. Just saw some pics of it somewhere.
ReplyDeleteGreat article :) I think that this season is gonna be epic. Especially if the alphas came together and fight a war against hunters. I don't know about something being higher than alphas though. I mean, just having the alphas is already something new and big. But something above alphas...? Like a king of all monsters? It could go very wrong and just make things really complicated.
Maybe the ultimate alpha is Death.
ReplyDeleteLIke I said, it could be a great idea, or an awful idea. But, do you have any explanation as to why suddenly (apparently) all alphas are coming out of the woodwork to take back the world?
ReplyDeleteI thought Lilth was the first demon. so wouldnt she would technically be the first moster ever?? But i thought Lucifer created all the evil....or am i just missing something completely?
ReplyDeleteGreat questions Wilson.
ReplyDeleteThe vision was awesome but very confusing. I was surprised when Dean described it simply as 'recruitment drive'.
I suspect the black man is the alpha and he's been around for centuries. Vampires with an African origin story would be awesome. I got no clue what the girls are supposed to mean. I interpret it as the vampires should recruit innocent children and those children will then go and recruit more. The twin thing could be about turning a human into a vampire, since they look the same but are different.
The only thing clear about the vision was the map with the blood, I think it's some kind of update on where to go next and in which cities other vampires have started recruiting.
I don't know if we get to see the 'first monster', I'm actually not very fond of the idea of mashing all monsters together and have an uber-powerful first, but I think it's verly clear that somehow the plan of the alphas have to be linked. We have met two alphas which are increasing their numbers. I don't think that's a coincidence.
My theory is that not a new powerful being is controlling them but that they're trying to take the control of earth from angels and demons. I think that those two parties tried to end the world and the monsters couldn't really do anything agains it, didn't go over too well in the monster community. I suspect that all alphas have established a common game plan now while the angels and demons are busy with their problems to take over the world, fight angels and demons or something else. So my theory is that monsters are fighting back, I don't know why or with which end game but I guess we wil see when they alpha vampire shows up.
This season is so exciting, there are so many possibilites. :D
You make good points. I was thinking about Lilith the other day, and tried to figure out how, or if she fits into the alpha storyline somehow. Maybe it went like this: alphas are people (or descendents of "gods" or "abominations" from ancient history that slowly developed over time like humanity did? Maybe its a combination of different events that happened in the past, etc.
ReplyDeleteI'll be thinking about these questions now :)
Lucifer only created Lilith and then Michael put him in the cage, so he couldn't have created all the other monsters.
ReplyDeleteWhen I say first monster, I do not mean a mash up of all monsters, I mean it could be anything--what if humans were the first monsters?
ReplyDeleteSo the Lilith created all the demons then.... Or maybe its like souls that liilth took to hell that were turned into the alphas as they were the first humans turned into demons, becuase was that how it was told demons were created in one of the episodes in like season 3 becuase it was one of demons fear that he would come back as a demon?
ReplyDeletehmmm ok thats if any of that makes sense anyways haha lol
Shape shifter baby NOT skinwalker!
ReplyDeleteI am pretty sure about that as well.
ReplyDeleteWell there is a theory that I have been thinking of.
ReplyDeleteHeaven or a hunter could have kept the alphas locked up, something like the Devil's Gate back in season 2. Now that heaven is in a mess, they managed to escape and are raising an army to get their revenge against hunters and heaven. Meanwhile, the hunters are trying to recapture the alphas. Now that the monsters do not have to fear extinction because the alpha is back, they aren't afraid of the hunters anymore and are coming out whenever they want to attack people and raise their army. This could also explain who Gramps was talking to in Two And A Half Men, someone in charge of recapturing the alphas or someone like a prison warden of alphas.
sorry my bad
ReplyDeleteWell, an important thing about Supernatural is that it combines christian religion with legends, myths and beliefs from all over the world. the show makes it ok that christian God, demons, angels and devil are as real as other culture's gods, pagan monsters etc. So Lilith being the first demon doesn't mean she was the first monster. Actually, I think monsters are from outside the christian storyline. God created angels, Lucifer rebelled, Lucifer created demons. Actually we can say it all started in heaven, it started with angels. How about monsters are those that started on earth and with humans?
ReplyDeleteAll I can say for sure now is - OMG I love this show ;)
Oh, sorry. What you said didn't sound like you thought the guy was the Alpha or just a regular vamp.
ReplyDeleteI don't think demons necessarily have an Alpha as to what Bobby said, demons are just ghost or spirits. Alphas may just pertain to monsters/creatures.
ReplyDeleteThat kinda knocks out Death of being referred to as an Alpha as well which is what lsw516 posted.
'Whole new tree' LOL
ReplyDeleteInteresting idea, Wilson.
Supernatural has already established just how 'monstrous' humans can be: The Benders, Family Remains, Bela Talbot, Doc Benton (Time Is on My Side) , so it's not that big a leap. Also the concept that everything is not always black and white where 'monsters' are concerned - not sure where I was going with that but yeah - exactly what IS a monster?
Great theory E.C. - it sure makes sense to me. But then why is Dean being kept in the dark? Is it because of Sam being NotSam? Hmmmm... every possible answer just brings up more questions.
ReplyDeleteProbably way outside SPN's budget though :)
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it, a monster is anything with supernatural powers that was not a human once(I'm excluding demons and ghosts). But, as you say, humans are sometimes much more worse. Like Gordon.
ReplyDeleteWell I don't really care what was that,yes it was creepy, but not in the Supernatural-way...I didn't liked that at all and I don't like this alpha storyline...But I hope that in May I will say that it was a great move:) Let's hope so!
ReplyDeleteYou know what? "If they can make all the alphas of the monster community this scary, and this awesome, I will be extremely happy about it, and will brand this season MUCH better than season 5."
ReplyDeleteI. COMPLETELY. AGREE.
I thought there's no way S6 can top S5. If they do what I hope they're going to do, they're freaking close.
I don't think the two things tie together either, I was just speculating.
ReplyDeleteIt could just be Sam being NotSam as you said. I mean, I have no idea how the current Sam would react to anything. In Live Free Or Twihard, he just scared the hell out of me by letting Dean be changed into a vampire. As for Gramps, I don't even have a theory right now on why he might keep Dean in the dark.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Wendigos? According to SPN lore, they were once humans driven to cannibalization, and have turned over the course of several hundred years into something "less than human" as Sam put it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this Wilson - I've been wondering about the vision but haven't managed to come up with any ideas as well thought out as this. One thing's for sure, nothing that happens on Supernatural is ever random or meaningless, (except for Jesse the antichrist - still wondering what the point of that was) so this vision is a really big clue - as long as we can figure out what it's telling us. Your
ReplyDeleteAll good questions - I think the alphas probably do have someone/thing pulling their strings - no idea who though.
It looks to me like the little girl starts off alone, then the cell splits then the other little girl just appears. So the second one is a clone maybe?
Rochey_1 pointed out the weather vane could signify Death.
Must think about this some more - back later. :)
Remember episode 3.09 Malleus Maleficarum. Ruby said that all demons have been human souls, they just don't all remember it anymore. So the way I see it is that Lucifer turned one of the first humans Lilith into a demon. Lucy gets locked up. Other human souls go to hell and become demons through their time in hell. I don't know why a soul goes to hell in Supernatural but I assume it's because you either sell it you one of the crossroads demons or because God decides you're not going to heaven, remember 5.16 Dark side of the moon, Joshua said that God let even Sam into heaven although he started the apocalypse, so I guess Supernatural's God isn't as strict as the God of the Christian bible. I don't think the creation of demons has anyhing to do with the creation of monsters. I think it's a combination of people starting to believe certain things (see 1.17 Hell house), human mutation (Wendigo-canibalism) or maybe the Supernatural explaination for monsters is going to be that God and the Gods and Goddesses from other religions had a few test runs before humans came to be.
ReplyDeleteInteresting theory. Discussing theories is definitely more fun this season.
ReplyDeleteHumans as the first monsters....That would definitely be an interesting approach I would like but how would you link it to the alphas?
ReplyDeleteIf humans are the first monsters than alphas are the original human beings and were descendants of them?
I am siding with Claudia's take on the monster subject--sorta what I was thinking about as well. (It's funny cause I JUST finished watching "Hell House" about 15 minutes ago..."
ReplyDeleteI think that could be the zygote splitting/making twins?
ReplyDeleteIDK. lol
The problem with the anti-christ is that by having him so powerful but rather simple in his creation, a woman and any demon having a kid, it raises the question why Lucifer bothered with Sam at all. If he had made a lot of anti-christs, Lucy would have easily won against the angels. The anti-christ character disrupted the power relation and made Sam's storyline unimportant. I never understood why they thought it would be a good idea to bring the anti-christ to the show, the moment I read the first spoiler. They made it even worse by him not being the son of Lucifer.
ReplyDeletelol since we're going "there" and getting completely out of the scope of Supernatural, one could say Alpha was Adam. He sacrificed his rib for the second human, etc. but remember, according to the Bible, people lived quite a bit longer than they do now (like hundreds of years if I remember correctly.) That's alpha-like for Adam to be longer-lived, pure, etc. before Lucifer corrupted him. Anyway, this is completely off the reservation, and my thought about humans being the first "monster" was really more of a really extreme thought meant to get people to "think outside the devil's trap" on this discussion.
ReplyDeleteDevil's trap=box in my argument. Just clarifying. XD
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Too much power resulting from something too easily carried out. I think that's why that episode is one that the writers are trying to bury. lol
ReplyDeleteOne of the rare major missteps of the series. My take - they thought they had to have the antichrist in the Apocalypse because he is a major player. They just didn't know how to execute the story and not foul up the other works. If they had made him an adult, they could have killed him in the end. But they couldn't have Dean and Sam killing a kid, so they took that wishing well coin and pooffed him out of existence. Maybe they thought we would forget about him. I think making him a kid was their big mistake. That had already been done in Buffy and done much better.
ReplyDeleteFYI watching Bloody Mary right now--they just walked down the stairs of the hospital/morgue area, and it's the same place that Dean walks down in "In My Time of Dying"...is that the same hospital in the show, or just recycling of the set? I notice a lot of that kind of stuff in the asylum/hospital/Sam, Interrupted episodes. lol
ReplyDeleteWhat's getting me is that map. Aurora, where I spend Thanksgiving each year by the way, is circled but not in the red, then later covered with the red lines. It's not the end destination for the red. The red definitely comes from below Springfield first, so it's not the starting destination. So what's so important about Aurora? Is it this season's Detroit? Is it where the Alpha Vamp is staying? If so, why would you let a hunter in on your plans or whereabouts even if you are not scared of them? That doesn't seem smart.
ReplyDeleteThe Alpha Vamp knows what is going on with his flock (can't believe it's coincidence that he flashed a vision right before Dean bought it) and he didn't want Dean to die before the vision. Either he expected Boris to kill Dean after the vision, in which case he's a classically stupid villain, or he wanted Dean to share the vision with others (Sam or Grandpa Creepy maybe?).
You know that's always stuck with me - 'how many monsters only exist because people believe in them?' Scary thought really.
ReplyDeleteAnd are monsters like the vamp Lenore still monsters when they don't do monstrous things?
Heh that's funny, but now with these question I have to think, didnt feel like thinking right now!
ReplyDeleteAfter hearing some spoilers, I'm leaning on the fact that Sam is more of an 'Anti-Christ' figure than Jesse ever was. Gordon knew it from back in season two and he was pretty much right from the recent events, imo. He was meant to be the vessel of Lucifer and even when he put Lucifer back in the cage, he came out of it very twisted, imo. I could definitely seeing Supernatural with their own take on Samael and having Sam be that character.
ReplyDeleteYou said it right there: the Alpha vampire is not scared of Sam, Dean, Samuel, whoever.
ReplyDeleteWhy not, if he is indeed in Aurora, show Dean that is where he is? To lure the hunters to find him and kill them all on his own?
He's not scared, so why not give them a sign over where he's located so they can meet?
The first thing I thought of during the LFOT episode was "What is Lenore doing right now? Has she changed her ways? Is she dead? Is she turning men in accordance to the alpha's plan?"
ReplyDeleteActually, Azazel wanted Sammy to kill Lilith so that he could take in Lucifer and rid the world of humanity.
ReplyDeleteAzazel was always the best villain of this show wasn't he? lol Definitely better than Lucy, even if Lucy was pretty great. (Mega-love for season 3 Lilith, as she always had a small girl as her vessel then and amped up the creepy...)
I don't think there HAS to be a connection btwn the Alphas and Death... But there might be, I just don't know.
ReplyDeleteafter seeing this episode and the Two and A Half Men, I am convinced that all of the monsters are trying to form an army. Why they are forming armies, I have absolutely no freaking clue. Im excited 2 see what happens over the rest of the season
ReplyDeleteThough I agree that Azazel was the best villain, I always had a preference for Alastair. His accent was super creepy and he had some of the best evil lines ever.
ReplyDeleteYes, Sam was meant to kill Lilith, but if things happened the way Lucifer intended, I think Sam and Lilith would have led the demon army together, preparing for the first seal to break and be "partners in crime" breaking the other 64 seals until when Sam will eventually kill Lilith as the final seal. Or, at least that's how I always thought it was to be. I doubt there would've been two separate demon armies or Lilith would just be working for Sam as I think they were both powerful in their own rights and would've most likely worked together in leading the army.
ReplyDeleteYes, Azazel is THE villain whenever you think of Supernatural, imo. He's been the most cunning, and imo, the toughest villain and that's saying something when SPN dealt with Lucifer.
No, there doesn't have to be...but it usually means something where there are coincidences on Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteI like your take on the vision, it all moved too quick for me. The only message that I got out of it, what with the twin girls and the cells dividing and the man pointing towards the door, was for the vampires to go forth, divide and conquere.
ReplyDelete"Question #5: What was the first "monster" ever? The alpha of all alphas? Is there even one? Is this even a good question?"
ReplyDeleteYes. Buffy, season 7. The First.
I see. No, sorry I don't remember what the bible says about Adam. I never read it. But now I understand what you mean. I was coming from the complete opposite direction. If the first humans were alphas, they were created with a lot of powers and gifts. The Christian God and the other Gods saw that it didn't really work for them because the alphas didn't follow their rules or didn't worship them, so they took some alphas and took away the powers and boof you get the first humans. They were happy with the result but they didn't turn all alphas, so that could be how alphas are still present today.
ReplyDeleteI like your theory, it's an interessing thought, I see a lot of problems of how to integrate this 'first monster' theory since it would be human origin story in the show's mythology but I find it very intrigueing.
Show is recycling all the time. ;D If there is a hospital scene it's usually the same building, they are using over and over again. I find it adorable. I tell myself they're worried about the environment and trying to be responsible by recycling not just garbage but actors, sets and props. Lol
ReplyDeleteGreat post! I'm going with the theory that all the alphas are gathering some kind of army and are under the influence of a greater 'alpha', but I'm still clueless about the rest, I like the plot about the alphas that control their progeny. I don't think I've ever seen a series that explored how the monsters where created and what kind of link there is between them. . Let's just hope that Cas gets the stick out of his ass, Sam gets his humanity back (or whatever it is) and we need Gabriel and Lucifer back! (lucifer in whatever form is ok...iiihih)
ReplyDeleteAgree, it sounds nice to include the anti-christ when you're doing the apocalypse but when you think about it and look at Supernatural's storyline throughout the season, you don't need him because Sam to a large part fulfills this function.
ReplyDeleteThey made three big mistakes in this episode:
1. The method to create an anti-christ was too simplistic. It was a nice try to say that it's different from the bible but since he is a very powerful creature, they should have put more though in it and created more difficulties.
2. Too much powers. You got Lucifer and then you got an anti-christ that is even more powerful than the devil himself. Not a good idea since you weaken your main villain and let him appear unimportant.
3. Not killing him off. It's nice that he was a good kid and removed himself to Australia but wouldn't it have been more logical if he simply tried to protect his parents with his powers instead? Sure, demons would have found them but he got easily rid of Cas and the demon, so I found the ending very weak and unplausible. Also to have such a powerful being in the story which doesn't get involved in the apocalypse storyline removes a lot of the urgency . I wish they would have found a way, after realizing their mistake, to kill him off and remove him permanently from the storyline.
I'm thinking the writers just have a thing for Illinois. xD Pretty sure they have been there more than any other state throughout the whole series.
ReplyDelete"Bored now."
ReplyDeleteRIPPPPP. lol
I was so confused by that vision of Dean's and I still am! Going back to how it all began when Dean was attacked by the vampire makes sense and seeing Sam's reaction (or really lack thereof) made sense, but getting to that point, they lost me from the get go!
ReplyDeleteif it is that the monsters are fighting back maybe it explains why sam and gramps are there. maybe sam was sent up from from hell t0 help fight them and gramps from heaven. that way each side,heaven,hell and earth (sam) have a person who can help stop the alphas.
ReplyDelete"Shadow", "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things", "Two Minutes To Midnight" and now "Live Free or Twi-Hard".
ReplyDeleteIf there are more, then I can't remember, lol.
There was that girl from Peoria--I can't remember her name... WAIT: Ava? I know the episode "Hunted" took place in Peoria...
ReplyDeleteLOL Tonight's episode also took place in Illinois... Weird, eh?
ReplyDeleteAhh, I forgot about Ava...
ReplyDeleteand I thought this episode would have anyways just because it seems so close from after the ending of "Live Free or Twihard".
And next week's episode will most likely be in Illinois as well since they are dealing with the Alpha vamp and he's probably in Aurora.
I gotta say, something has to be up with Illinois, lol.
Maybe that's the cool place to be :P
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