TVLINE | There’s not one, but at least three major cliffhangers in the finale. Was that always the plan, even before the show was renewed?
Yes. In fact, it’s been the plan for a long time. When we offered [Robert Buckley] the role of Major, he called me and said, “Listen, I just want to make sure that I’m not just going to be the boy that Liv pines for, that I’m going to have something to do,” and I pitched him the exact ending of the show. I said, “It’s going to end like Taxi Driver. You going into the zombie headquarters and mowing people down. You will have gone through this horrible journey. You will have this moment where you get to take out all these enemies.” So we were always building to that.
And probably around midseason, we had some ideas on how we wanted to reset for Season 2. We announce our big Season 2 storyline right there in the finale. Vaughan, the head of Max Rager, says, “We’re going to take out all the zombies.” So that will be a big part of Season 2, and it will make Liv and Blaine strange bedfellows. One of the things that was rough in Season 1 was we loved those two actors on screen together, but part of the season arc was Liv searching for Blaine. We couldn’t play them on screen. Next season, you’ll see a lot more of them on screen, at the same time, with a common enemy.
TVLINE | How changed is Major going to be in Season 2?
He has now killed a bunch of people. It has changed him. We wanted to paint him as a good a guy as you could ever want to meet, like the perfect guy. Lovely, sweet, charming, funny. And then just put him through a ringer and see who came out on the other side. I do think it has affected him. He is less innocent, and he probably has a darker view of the world. As we pick up Season 2, he is reeling.
TVLINE | That action sequence was like Major’s hero moment. How did that all come together? Did you have any inspirations from film?
The thing that was an inspiration when I originally asked [Robert] to do the show was Taxi Driver, when [Robert] De Niro goes to rescue teenage Jodie Foster. He’s having to move through rooms, and it would be very violent. It [is] tough to look at the two things as a direct comparison, as we’re doing broadcast network television and can’t be quite as violent. We knew we were going to push the limit as far as we could on this finale.
Yes. In fact, it’s been the plan for a long time. When we offered [Robert Buckley] the role of Major, he called me and said, “Listen, I just want to make sure that I’m not just going to be the boy that Liv pines for, that I’m going to have something to do,” and I pitched him the exact ending of the show. I said, “It’s going to end like Taxi Driver. You going into the zombie headquarters and mowing people down. You will have gone through this horrible journey. You will have this moment where you get to take out all these enemies.” So we were always building to that.
And probably around midseason, we had some ideas on how we wanted to reset for Season 2. We announce our big Season 2 storyline right there in the finale. Vaughan, the head of Max Rager, says, “We’re going to take out all the zombies.” So that will be a big part of Season 2, and it will make Liv and Blaine strange bedfellows. One of the things that was rough in Season 1 was we loved those two actors on screen together, but part of the season arc was Liv searching for Blaine. We couldn’t play them on screen. Next season, you’ll see a lot more of them on screen, at the same time, with a common enemy.
TVLINE | How changed is Major going to be in Season 2?
He has now killed a bunch of people. It has changed him. We wanted to paint him as a good a guy as you could ever want to meet, like the perfect guy. Lovely, sweet, charming, funny. And then just put him through a ringer and see who came out on the other side. I do think it has affected him. He is less innocent, and he probably has a darker view of the world. As we pick up Season 2, he is reeling.
TVLINE | That action sequence was like Major’s hero moment. How did that all come together? Did you have any inspirations from film?
The thing that was an inspiration when I originally asked [Robert] to do the show was Taxi Driver, when [Robert] De Niro goes to rescue teenage Jodie Foster. He’s having to move through rooms, and it would be very violent. It [is] tough to look at the two things as a direct comparison, as we’re doing broadcast network television and can’t be quite as violent. We knew we were going to push the limit as far as we could on this finale.
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Episode 12 ended with Peyton finding out Liv’s secret, causing her to leave the apartment with no one knowing where she went. We don’t really hear about Peyton in the finale. What was the decision behind not mentioning where she goes?
We decided to leave it open because Aly Michalka had booked a pilot [ABC's Chevy] and because she’s not one of our series regulars, we weren’t sure if we could get her back or when we could get her back and so we didn’t want to pin ourselves into a corner. We just needed an excuse for her to bolt and probably the way we answered that was going to be determined by whether or not her pilot went to series. Her pilot did not go to series, so we are hopeful we can bring her back next season.
In the finale, Liv injected this untested cure in both Blaine and Major. Can we expect side effects from her actions?
Yes. I would say expect side effects. They took a very untested drug and it will definitely have repercussions. They have not perfected a cure yet and both Blaine and Major will enter season two as non-zombies, as fully human.
Ravi had a quiet few episodes coming into the end of the season, what with him working on the cure. What can you tell us about what’s in store for him?
He will be questing for more tainted utopium; it’s the secret ingredient that he needs in order to recreate the cure and that will become his great white whale of season two, finding that and perfecting the cure. That quest will put him out in the field more; it’s not like he’ll be tinkering with that formula back at the morgue. He’ll be out in the world trying to track this down. We want to get him out of the morgue more.
Is it a full order of 22 or 13 with a possible back 9?
13 with a possible back 9.
How are you writers tackling the 13-episode order? Are you just writing 13 now and then planning on writing the back nine later or are you going in with a full 22 order in mind?
Well, we certainly want 22 and in the room we’re sort of planning on 22, but if we don’t get 22, you will see some really jam-packed episodes around [episode] 10, 11, 12, 13.
Will Clive (Malcolm Goodwin) become more suspicious about the zombie situation next season?
It’s funny. I will reference my Twitter feed again: If I left it to my Twitter feed, Liv would’ve told everyone in episode 2. I like that there are secrets Liv is keeping. Somehow Clark Kent managed to keep it from Lois and Jimmy that he’s not Superman for 50 years. I’m hoping we can pull it off for two seasons with someone. That’s a different question than, “Will Clive ever land on zombies?” We’re breaking the first half of season 2 right now. It’s not on the board right now. At a certain point he may be presented with too much evidence. I never want to make him look dopey for not figuring it out. But right now there are no plans on it. We haven’t put it on the board yet.
It’s funny. I will reference my Twitter feed again: If I left it to my Twitter feed, Liv would’ve told everyone in episode 2. I like that there are secrets Liv is keeping. Somehow Clark Kent managed to keep it from Lois and Jimmy that he’s not Superman for 50 years. I’m hoping we can pull it off for two seasons with someone. That’s a different question than, “Will Clive ever land on zombies?” We’re breaking the first half of season 2 right now. It’s not on the board right now. At a certain point he may be presented with too much evidence. I never want to make him look dopey for not figuring it out. But right now there are no plans on it. We haven’t put it on the board yet.
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Only 15 episodes? We need 22 episodes, please! iZombie is fucking amazing!
ReplyDelete- Yay for Ravi going out into the field and looking for more of that utopium so he can create more zombie cures! Great to see that he will have more storylines instead of being cooped up in the morgue all the time and being at home.
ReplyDelete- Though I prefer 13 episodes since it moves storylines a lot quicker than the usual 22, I trust Rob Thomas enough that they know what they're doing and S2 will be just as epic as S1. Also more iZombie episode is something I can definitely get behind since I can't get enough of the show ;)
- LOL at Blaine resorting to putting on powder so he can trick the customers into thinking he's this scary looking zombie XD Oh Blaine, always has a trick up his sleeve.
- Clive looking into the investigation at Meat Cute will definitely end up with him finding out about the zombie conspiracy. Looking forward to seeing his reaction.
I don't want Blaine to hate her next season!
ReplyDeleteI dont get This why would it be renewed for 13 and a possible back 9. This is not a show in danger. So why is CW not sure about an order. This is very weird ?
ReplyDeleteSame here
ReplyDeleteTo make room for Containment and LoT-Too many shows on the schedule and not enough time.That's why.
ReplyDeleteBlaine LOVES being human?! I thought he loved being a zombie and being powerful, one thing i'm confused about is why would Blaine need to help Liv? He's human now, hence not in danger, so Max Rager is our new Big Bad, okay they're starting to feel very Wolfram & Hart from "Angel". They need to give iZombie a 22-episode season it deserves it. It's proven to be a hit so why the shortened season? I need Season 2 now!!!!!
ReplyDeleteHuh still sucks
ReplyDeleteThis statement about the episode number is so weird. I mean come on, they treat it like it's a Freshman show. 0.o
ReplyDeleteI assume the show will eventually move to Monday 8pm if it gets a full season.
I think a full 22 episode order could hurt the shows ratings. If it were getting 0.8-1.0 rating, then I'd say go for it but it isn't. Also it is one of the lowest rated WB show currently on TheCW. The lowest rated WB show is T100 followed by The Originals and then iZombie. It is usually looked down upon by ratings expert for being unable to retain The Flash's viewers. They think The Flash(1.5) lead-in is wasted on iZombie(0.6) though its summer run showed its lead-in independent.The Original had better numbers during season 1 but look at it now.
ReplyDeleteStill don't like Major. His personality just...annoys me. It's just sort of 'blah', and he really ticked me off when he spoke to Liv like that. She saved his life the only way she could, and he whines like a little girl about being lied to. Oh grow up.
ReplyDeleteAs for the rest of the season..loved it! Love all the other characters. I wish Liv's boyfriend could have stick around longer, he was much more entertaining and heartfelt then Major, but I understand the actor's other obligations.
Amazing series! Hopefully, if major sticks around, they'll develop something more then a one dimensional personality for him in the future. Liv is far too dynamic and upbeat to be brought down by this clown. (Wow, I didn't know I hated him this much, but it turns out I really do!)
I think that just gives us the hint that either the cure doesn't work, or he manages to get turned back into a zombie some other way. My guess is the latter, since I don't see Major becoming a zombie. It doesn't fit with his profile.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it needs 22 episodes! But I want to see if they can keep up the speed with the next 13 first! Things have been wonderful so far, but some shows lose momentum fast, and 22 episodes may be pushing it. WD has a winning formula with quality over quantity, and I think that'd fit Izombie too.
Seriously depressing to learn Michalka not a regular as Peyton would have made a good side kick for Liv. Imagine them having a brain party like smoking weed only taste testing brains to see who remembers what and how they get along.
ReplyDeletePersonally could have hurt you to let Liv have on night's sex with major before turning him back. would have been a better dynamic?
And Ravi will have a short trip to find the tainted Utopium as it started with Blaine so why not move on and have Super rager hire Ravi as a consultant?
But the way he said made it sound like Blaine DOESN'T want to become a zombie again
ReplyDeleteMichalka was NEVER a regular, it's not really news that she's a recurring guest star, because Rager are VILLAINS.
ReplyDeleteSo that will be a big part of Season 2, and it will make Liv and Blaine strange bedfellows.
ReplyDeleteYes! I said that I wanted them to have an awkward team up against a bigger bad, oh boy this is going to be messed up.
And double yay to Ravi getting out more, I love the character a whole lot.
Are you kidding me? I seriously don't get this Major hate still. I understand if you find him just a regular, boring old character but calling out what he did in the finale as to whining is taking it too far. The guy was almost brain food by Julian (a freaking zombie!), then committed himself to a mental hospital because he thought he was going crazy about a zombie conspiracy which he wasn't at all. Then on top of that, Liv had been keeping the secret from him which endangered him even more than he already was investigating Blaine/Meat Cute! He was perfectly understandable of the actions that he did in the finale. Give the poor guy a break.
ReplyDeleteLiv/Blaine teaming up will be such a sight to see! Bizarre at first since they've practically been at each others throats all season but it will be great to see them put their differences aside to take down a greater enemy. And nice character development for both! One badass zombie and one used-to-be zombie but still badass and one of the most feared across all of Seattle. They will surely not to be messed with!
ReplyDeleteI'm not convinced Blaine will remain human forever. But I guess we'll see. I just have a feeling he might become something more.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I don't really expect him to stay a human for long but becoming something more? Like turning into something even bigger than a zombie? Maybe a threat to them? That would be shocking and awesome...but also scary because Blaine is always a wildcard haha.
ReplyDeletevillains are under established and irrelevant as they can be anyone, there is no vested time in Rager only in Liv and her friends and family. Actually it is big news as it leaves Liv without a room mate. Ravi without a love interest and all of them without a phone a friend. This one change destroys what chemistry the show had and makes it as though the first season was just a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteIts ratings aren't as good as you think, considering this is its first season and it's bound to fall, even a bit. Some could accuse it of bad retention from The Flash too. Another big reason for a short season is the fact that The CW has way too many shows on their hands this year to give them all a full season order. Consider this show lucky it got a fall spot.
ReplyDeleteI'm kind of thinking mutated zombie. Like maybe he tries to get turned again, but the cure changed him so he ends up a mutated stronger, scarier zombie. Could happen.
ReplyDeleteIt's rating are only ok at 0.6 and CW needs room for Legrnds,Contsinment,The 100
ReplyDeleteDoing the same and in some cases better thank TVD, and Originals and it's airing these episodes in summer and with no lead in, so I think it's doing better than ok. I think TVD will end next year. It's also doing twice as well as the horribly rated reign and BATB
ReplyDeleteBut why not just say 13 episodes renewal instead of 13 episodes and possible back 9?
ReplyDeleteI think it depends on CEG's performance.If it flops and one veteran gets a shorter episode order,back 9 episodes is possible technically.So,they're keeping that option open just in case.
ReplyDeleteFirst,invalid comparison since TO/VD aren't currently airing while IZombie is.VD might end next year,it might not.Pedowitz says no plan to end it or SPN for a while.Yes IZombies doing better than Reign,BaTB but BatB is a summer show solely,IZombies not so unfair ,invalid comparison.Plus,Reign,BatB are cheap international co-productions & halfway to syndication & pet projects if CW while IiZombies none of the above.An 0.6 out if a 1.4 or so is not" ok"..Yes 0.6 is good for summer but at times cheaper ANztM& WL do that or a tenth lower.(wL gets 0.5 not in summer sometimes)
ReplyDeleteTVD still gets good ratings for W18-49(female demo) and still has the highest ad rate for this season so unless they reveal the new ad rate for this year we won't know if Flash got a bump up. TVD is also in its 7th season while iZombie is on its 1st season and is already hitting 0.6. The thing is this is a WB show so its competing for the WB slot and those 2 shows are CBS shows. Reign has potential to get dragged to syndication cause of its episode count. There is a Netflix deal though which covers iZombie and could help it get a renewal next season.Netflix guarantees a show a 4th season with a minimum episode count of 6 for that season. There is one problem though assuming iZombie underperforms next Fall, it along with Reign and the 100 would be competing for the Friday slot. Once CW finds a compatible male skewing show for the Flash, expect iZombie to move. CW's pilot development cycle this year is so awful that they had to revive a dead Showtime pilot and not to mention wasted its highest rated male skewing lead-in on a female skewing show.
ReplyDeleteYou must realize that IZombie is in only s1 getting 0.6s,VD season seven,TO,s2.IZombie & The 100 are WB shows that are going to have an uphill battle for renewal-SPN has syndication/Pedowitzs favor going for it,Legends will most likley do well,TO will be a season away from syndication(as will CBS Reign so neither Tzo or Reign are gonna go in favor of IZombie),VD is a signature,flagship show for CW.IZombie & The 100 are far from syndication,though The 100 will be closer/about halfway there after s3 so it may get renewed over IZombie or IZombie bring procederual& CW being high on the show might get IZombie renewed over it.I consider 0.5-0.7 ok 0.8-0.9 decent,1.0 great on CW so I said IZombie is doing ok.You know Fladh repeats have gotten 0.5-0.6,same as IZombie?
ReplyDeleteIZombie got an 0.5 last night according to tvsetiesfinale out of a Fladh rerun at 0.4
ReplyDeleteIt can't even flop anymore if it can get the ratings it gets in the summer its still a solid keeper and 3-4th Best rated show for them
ReplyDeleteUgh I need the full 22! COME ON, CW!
ReplyDeleteI don't believe it's taking it too far, at all. Major is an adult and responsible for his own actions, which include his decisions to leap into incredibly dangerous situations. Liv had just gone through a MAJOR change in her life, no pun intended, and it took some adjusting. She was scared of hurting Major on a physical level (a la zombieism), and so distanced herself from him to try and protect him from a world not even she was sure of. She's coming to grips with all of this, and behind the scenes, Major is jumping in heads first to situations where he suspects grisly murders and conspiracies. Then as soon as Liv is ready to open up to him, he tells her he believes in zombies and wants to kill them all. Not exactly encouragement, when she's already scared to tell anyone what she is.
ReplyDeleteLiv didn't put him in hot water, he put himself there while she was busy dealing with trying to find herself and her place in the world, and wasn't ready to open up with a really mind boggling announcement. Then she saves him, and suddenly it's all her fault because she didn't tell him way back before he started searching for zombies that she is one. Which, chances are, he's going to be freaked out by her, if he doesn't just think she's stark raving mad.
A Post Mortem on a Zombie show? Simply stated the ending was bad and the chemistry is no longer sure. The show will be back but it will be a do over start up next year.
ReplyDeleteI feel they shouldn't be dangling the back 9 order in their faces. They should tell them they get a set number of episodes from the get go so they can plan accordingly. Somethng around 16 eppies would be perfect IMO.
ReplyDeleteAnyway.
I'm quite looking forward to what s2 has to offer. There's a lot of prospects RT is talking about that have me quite excited!
- I think Liv had a lot of what Rob is discussing coming to her. Yes her secret is horrible and hard to live with, but she has also been very selfish in her trying to keep it. So all this isolation is something she set herself up with.
- I'd be more invested in what happened with Evan if we'd spend more time with him and if I cared for him more. I don't dislike the kid, but he's quite the non entity in Liv's life, so I'm not really on the edge of my seat about his fate as much as Rob might want me to be.
- Blaine, Major and the side-effects are gonna be interesting.
- YES! For Ravi going out in the field a bit more.
- Double YES! on Clive being a good detective. And I'm okay with him not knowing yet. But I would like him to get in on it sooner rather than later. I think it wouldn't be super cool if he does in fact figure it out, but doesn't tell Liv... that would be a nice twist...
- So curious to see what Max Rager is up to next.
- I really hope they bring Peyton back and the girls can patch things up. (and she and Ravi can continue their romance :D)
So looking forward to Blaine and Liv reluctantly teaming up (though I don't want "developing feelings" between them. Frenemies? Yes! Romance? No!)
Yes, she was going through a big challenge but none of that even remotely suggests that her fiancé wasn't capable of being there for her or capable of accepting it. Instead she chose to act out of fear and not tell him. Major did put himself in hot water but only because no one was there for him. How can you not understand how upset he would be if you were lied to by the person you loved and they let you go to a mental institution instead of telling you the truth?
ReplyDeleteThe show's chemistry isn't dependent on Ally's character
ReplyDeleteThe n you wasted your time this season as her character pulled Liv out of being a hermit, taught Liv to trust in herself and others, gave Liv a home to work from when she had none.To add to the role Peyton is Major's friend and Ravi's love interest. She was the only legal help they had and in a world mostly male Payton was Liv's only feminine touch. All of that is lost with out her. You can think other wise but the reality of the situation is each character is less real at this moment. Ravi is less the friend, Major as well. Liv is now hollow. The chemistry is now like a three legged table looking for a wall to prop itself next to less it tip over.
ReplyDeleteNot even remotely true that Ravi is less the friend. Ravi's relationship to Liv isn't dependent on Ally's character at all. Liv isn't hollow at all. I have zero idea where you are getting this from. She's not in every episode and she's not nearly as important to everything as you make her out to be. She and Ravi were only an item in the last half or so.
ReplyDeleteLess real? Good lord how did you ever reach that conclusion?
ReplyDeleteWhen a person gets to know some one they ask them who they are and the person tells them what they do, where they were born, who they are dating, who they live with and who their friends are. The same goes for fictional characters . If you can not figure that out then go try and introduce yourself without any of this sort of information to make you seem more real and not so much a complete liar or total stranger. Peyton was Liv's instant credibility as she had that one friend you knew of. Now Liv's character is cartoonish with a ex BF who turned on her and a boss that does not mind she eats brains. That is all the depth the character has now. Imagine you missed season one, tell a stranger who Liv is now. It is not so easy without Peyton.
ReplyDeleteThen by all means talk to whoever as I made my point clear. Ravi was the guy Liv trusted with her best friend. The guy who would be popping in and out for date Peyton. He is now the guy who plays games with Major who does not care enough to be a zombie. Peyton was in eight episode foundational to the character development of all but Clive and Blaine. She is the vocal recognition that Liv spent 6 months getting readjusted. She is the intervention that connects Liv to Major and Family. She is the sounding block for the painting brain. She is the friend to college Liv brain/sky diver brain. She is the wingman for dating Liv. She is the bail out for Major after Candyman. Try as you may to diminish her part in this season she was a big part of the first season, all the way down to the little brother sleeping in her room and being told not to mess with her things. She was being developed as the hot friend/ screamer, the Daphne to Liv's Velma like bookishness. Seeing Liv staying in Hoodies more now as character regresses without roomate friend, disassociating from Major and dispondent over loss of brother. Seeing Ravi playing video games alone. Seeing Major conflicted as he has no one to talk to about Liv.
ReplyDeleteRavi was her co-worker/boss. You are really overstating the importance of a relatively minor character. I'm well aware that she helped Major get out of prison but if you are using that as the argument as to why she's indespensible for the show, then I don't know what to tell you.
ReplyDeleteLiv isn't regressing, the story is simply getting deeper and the stakes are getting higher and more dramatic. She's not the glue that holds to the show together. The glue is Liv, it's her show.
Again, this is a complete stretch. Ravi is her friend and so is Det. Babineaux. Liv's credibility is that she's a character with wants and needs. We undertand who she is and what she wants out of life. It is easy without Peyton, she wants to become human again and protect her loved ones. How is her character cartoonish? Her ex turned on her for a good reason. Your point is absurd, she's not deep because she doesn't have a normal best friend she can tell her problems to? She can tell her issues to Ravi.
ReplyDeleteYou are wrong and you are the one missing the importance of this being the first season and Peyton being one of only a handful of developed roles.
ReplyDeleteAt this point you are just talking to yourself as I tuned you out when you never added anything to this thread but negativity with no substance.
ReplyDeleteWhat did I say that was negative. I like the show, I like the character, but she's not the glue and the characters have plenty of chemistry, hence why I think it's a good show.
ReplyDeleteShe's not developed. She's the best friend who isn't in on the secret until the end. Ravi is developed, as is Major, and of course, Liv. Their development wasn't dependent on Peyton, nor do I think it was facilitated by her. Her work is what got Liv out of her rut, she found purpose and direction.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet you do not see how you could be perceived as negative. Peyton is the high school friend who became the sorority sister, who became the best friend, who went into law while Liv went into medicine, who formed a platonic relationship with Major while dating many,and during the break up she is the one who takes care of Liv who is no longer the same type a person Peyton is and now lies around in hoodies eating hot sauce and flaming cheese puffs while Peyton pays the rent and Major needs the room mate Liv would have been. You know what she does for a living,where she went to school, who she is dating, what show she likes to watch, who her first friend was,what she likes to drink, when was the last time she had drugs. That is more than you know about Clive, Major or Ravi. Let's see, Ravi likes zombies , is fired by CDC and works at morgue and otherwise play's video games until Liv introduces him to Major and Peyton who give him friends, something he did not keep. Major was engaged to Liv who dumps him to move in with Peyton who sields Liv from her mother brother and Major, who goes on one date and who does Liv go home to spend time with Peyton. Who does Major ask about LIv, Ravi ...No, Clyde ...No, back to Peyton. WHen he is thrown in jail it is Peyton who shows up at the jail. And when LIv starts dating, Peyton will hear about it before Ravi. or the.rest. You do not see this as character building or cohesion but Episode one starts with Peyton being background . Episode two at home with Peyton painting picture and watching tv. Episode three interferes in Peyton's work. Episode four Peyton takes a business trip so Liv can go kung fu fighting to save little bro in apartment. Episode 5 Mutual college friend dies so more bonding with Peyton. Episode 6 Liv becomes an agoraphobic couch potato stuck at home with Peyton. Episode 7 Major arrested and Peyton does paperwork on release.
ReplyDeleteEpisode 8 Ravi into Peyton as Liv tries to talk him out of it but sees Peyton my like him. Episode 9 Lowell killed and Liv needing a drink. Episode 10 Liv after Max Rager kill Sebastian. Episode 11 Liv on crazy brain during Peyton Ravi date won't watch Vertigo. Episode 12 Sebastian not all dead, Couples forming As Ravi with Peyton eating icecream and Major staying with Liv while kids being killed by Max Rager Episode 13 Ravi setting up to go on trip with Peyton, Sebastian shows up and attacks Peyton who disappears as does Rvi for the most part, meanwhile little bro explodes and Liv wasted her one save on Major who called her selfish for scratching him. Can you see the cohesion now? Guess not. But Liv has no best friend, no buffer for Ravi or Major, no one to tell about the next Lowell now that Major will never be the next Lowell, and no one to cry with that she had to let her brother die. Seriously bad decision to let the only other female character in the show disappear.
Ravi was a hermit who played video games and worked in the morgue. Liv forced him to move in with Major who is currently an unemployed zombie hunter clueless Ravi is in on the problem. Clyde is the cop on reprimand who has yet to hit on the crazy white girl who spends as much time helping him do his job as her own. Clue: none of these people have a social life any more unlike Blaine and they are for the most part witless when it comes to the Zombie outbreak. Heck Babineaux worked for a Zombie and Major only found out when he was in the nut house listening to a split personality guy. Little bro was about to work for Blaine and Liv is the whitest white girl on the planet and no one thinks I think she is a Zombie except Ravi who is missing brains and fellow Zombies. Sorry but this is one of the weakest patys of the show and now it is anorexic. The whole season is now a do over.
ReplyDeleteAnd seriously read you posts, they are all about how what I posted is not true, excessive, far reaching, not true. That is negative.
Ravi was a bit introverted, sure, but it was working with Liv that brought him out of his shell. Their social lives aren't what make them interesting. This has got to be one of the weakest arguments ever. It's a genre show, but you want what? I was negative about your posts because they are irrational. You are complaining about the genre elements in a genre show. You might as well complain that there's too much sci-fi in the Terminator. This is iZOMBIE, not My So Called Life.
ReplyDeleteWe know what Liv wants and what is pushing her. We know Ravi and we even know what TV shows he likes. What TV show Peyton likes is inconsequential to the arc of the season. It's just a nice character beat. Ravi starts to come out of his shell when he befriends Liv, not Peyton.
ReplyDeleteYour inane ramblings doesn't clearly get that the season finale was good drama. "There's no cohesion" no duh. It wasn't about happy fun times where all the characters get along and are happy. It's about putting Liv in an unenviable position where she lets the bad guy go or face a zombie apocalypse, and then to top it all off, she either saves her brother's life but makes him a zombie or lets him die. That's the sizzle and the steak. Without Liv and zombies, there's no show.
And knowing what TV shows she likes and her connection to a bunch of other characters doesn't make her developed.
ReplyDeleteWell Benihana, you must like your meat raw as choosing when to kill zombies is a waste of brainpower, pun intended. The trick to gathering and them maintaining an audience is to get the audience invested in the cast so that you get protests when you kill off MrDreamy or Jon Snow, or when you rape Sansa Stark or murder Rita Dexter. This was a start up season and by most standards a pretty successful one, but;come episode one season two will have to be a restart as you have no reason for Major to stay in town. Babineaux has no boss. Ravi has no remedy or supplies for a remedy. OH, and Liv has no where to live,a distraught mother and a dead end job with no cure for herself. Icould have got all that done in one episode but the writers decided without your sage wisdom to build characters in a market that makes it hard to keep talent. So keep say thing aren't how they are and keep demonstrating your incompetence when faced with evidence that you are wrong, negative and without a clue as to how to keep a show running strong. I will continue to say this was a dumb move and if "Chevy " dies they would be dumb not to grab Michalka immediately and have her be staying at Ravi's place while Major was away. They could start out with him stitching her up
ReplyDeleteObviously you can not write fiction because that is pretty much all that character development means, forming the inter-dependencies and shares memories between the characters so the reader or viewer can relate to them.
ReplyDeleteNo, it means creating a character so they feel real and understandable, as opposed to a generic cardboard character.
ReplyDeleteKilling off McDreamy was different, that's a primetime soap opera, it's all about the inner life of doctors not simply the case they're working on. It's about who's sleeping with whom. Also, Rita was important to the story because it showed the type of person Dexter was. We saw that he used her as camouflage and later on actually loved her. Peyton's enjoyable, but as of now, she's not as important to the story as Ravi and Major, and sure as hell not Liv. God you're ridiculous. Do you honestly think that if the writers can't get Ally that they can't come up with organic reasons to keep their characters close? Ravi can't cure her? That's the drama! The dramatic glue that holds the show together is the main character. You have zero clue what you're talking about.
ReplyDeleteAnd you think that is going to be accomplished by some means other than weekly interaction that shows, care, dependability, thoughtfulness and intimacy. Just go on as you are spouting rhetoric at this point.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're spouting nonsense that you think is meaningful. What in the world do you think I'm arguing?
ReplyDelete"Not even remotely true"..."really overstating"... "inane ramblings", that would be a start.
ReplyDeleteAs for me followed Michalka and McIver to show and based on star recognition gave the show a chance. Like its wit but now it looks like that is all the show will have next year.
Seriously you have not made a valid point so I assume at this point you are simply typing to irritate me by contradicting every thing I write. I say up, you say not really, I say in and you ask when, I say soon and you my watch must be broken. On your way now to contradict other on their post as that seems to be your specialty.
ReplyDeleteThe show has McIver still, and Peyton isn't even the character she primarily interacts with.
ReplyDeleteI say those negative things, because I find your opinion ridiculous. You make this background character out to be way more important to the show than she truly is.
Didn't you write that you weren't going to respond to me a few posts back? And how would you know how I interact with people online?
ReplyDeleteAnd how is "the main character is the glue" not valid? That's always the case. The main character is the character who the story and other characters revolve around. Explain how that's wrong. Despite what you erroneously think, I don't go around contradicting people simply for kicks. I actually believe the things I write. I don't care that much about you to say the sky's green when you say it's blue.
ReplyDeleteAgreed on all points, though I wouldn't mind more than 16 episodes.
ReplyDeleteWhat Liv? The one who had no where to stay after the zombie attack, the one who lost contact with her family. You are in fantasy land that Liv survives without Peyton. There has to be an accepting person who overlooks Liv's change and keeps the main character believable and social. That is Peyton. And it is not an error. I read several of your chats and they all go the same way. Regardless of whether you believe anything you state is no matter to the fact that you did not add anything to the discussions. The main character should relate to everyone, but the question is how did the writers establish that? Did they make her a homeless person? Did she stay with Major? Did she move back home? Did she go full on zombie and just keep killing all the time? Why Not? Why din't she go more like Blaine or Sebastian? Why didn't she keep ignoring her visions? 6 month nothing and then she starts connecting with people. Episodes 1 and 13 are book ends. Peyton's line "Despite all of this your are my frick'n heart. Could you step up a little?" gets Liv to keep on the first case and and not fall apart when Liv sees Major with another girl slaying computer Zombies. Liv's biggest fears when thing start out were Peyton finding out she is a Zombie and Liv's little brother being killed in a Zombie Apocalypse, (Clue that just happened). And back to Major any hopes Liv had of sharing a life with him are destroyed. So once again we are back to the point that one of us paid attention to the show and the other one likes to contradict me.
ReplyDeleteclick on your name and see your discuss history.
ReplyDeleteThere are no small parts only small minds, but at least that meas the zombies will not be chasing you.
ReplyDeleteThis has passed the point of absurdity, bye.
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