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Supernatural - Episode 10.22 - The Prisoner - Promos *Updated*

11 May 2015

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103 comments:

  1. BrittneyAngel2010 .7 May 2015 at 03:05

    As bad as Sam feels, Charlie never should have left to go to that motel.

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  2. Justin Down7 May 2015 at 03:14

    As bad as Sam seems, Charlie never should have remaining to go to that hotel.

    iPhone spy without jailbreak

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  3. Miss Supernatural7 May 2015 at 04:19

    Damn it, Dean will definitely lose it and apparently kill innocent people in his killing spree. :(

    Please tell me it's not Sam on the floor...

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  4. Ceryle7 May 2015 at 05:36

    What's even more terrible about Dean losing it is that Charlie died in order to cure him of the Mark. If he starts killing innocents and goes darkside anyway, her death will have been in vain.

    Ugh, these last two eps are going to kill me.

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  5. João Paulo7 May 2015 at 06:20

    Well it appears that demon Dean will return by the end of the season.

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  6. Shannon7 May 2015 at 07:35

    I'm so mad.

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  7. Joy Haldar7 May 2015 at 13:01

    Why did Charlie go to that Motel all alone when she knew about the danger very well,i''ll never understand!!

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  8. Scott Summers7 May 2015 at 13:16

    I'm angry of killing Charlie, I had hope that I would have more prominence with the Winchester and Castiel in the next season.

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  9. maloose7 May 2015 at 14:24

    Plot demanded, don't mind the logic. Like how Charlie was absolutely unnecessary there, Sam was completely capable of that decoding, but again plot demanded, for the death of a close person!

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  10. Martin Anders7 May 2015 at 16:06

    She "knew"? When did she find out?

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  11. sue7 May 2015 at 16:21

    Ok just noticed that when dean shoots gun holding unto someone his coat is all blue but then you see another dean in brown shirt. so we have dean in one shot but double. brown shirt is one who has gag and murdering blue coat is also killing or i am just seeing things

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  12. Ambar Moreno Candelas7 May 2015 at 17:43

    :O I can´t wait! I´m scared, I don´t know what is going to happen in season finale! :S

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  13. stargoop8 May 2015 at 20:45

    So now that his mojo is back does anyone understand why Castiel couldn't save her. I also hoped that she would make more appearances next season but I think I'm finally giving up on what was my favorite show for so many years

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  14. Sylls8 May 2015 at 23:18

    I think that is a very interesting promo!!!! DEAN is always SPECTACULAR!!

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  15. MasterWho9 May 2015 at 04:03

    Literally every time she has been around the Winchesters. Literally in every story she read about them things ended up really dangerous. Probably literally every day in Oz was dangerous. Oh and Sam more or less told her it was dangerous. She also knew the Stynes were looking for her. At the very least she should have known the possibility of danger.

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  16. Martin Anders9 May 2015 at 11:33

    Being aware of a general danger and knowing of some specific bad guys after you and how close they are are two very different things. Technically, she knew her life was in danger the moment she chose to become a hunter - staying in an abandoned factory or going to the motel doesn't make a difference there. But she didn't know about the Styne Dean had caught, nor did she know how close the other one was to finding her.

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  17. Sylls9 May 2015 at 13:30

    This episode deserves a lot of viewers. It seems very intersting and exciting!!

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  18. fazziemodo11 May 2015 at 19:01

    Oh now you agree with the difference and that Sam should have told her and Cas.

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  19. fazziemodo11 May 2015 at 19:02

    They needed Charlie because they had decided that Sam was an idiot when it came to codes and computers even after 7 seasons of being semi proficient at computers and good at research.

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  20. fazziemodo11 May 2015 at 19:04

    Think that is why the Stynes were introduced, they needed people that Dean could kill and we wouldn't care about.


    Guess that is why they did the whole Randy and co - test the waters to see if Dean's victims are shown to be scum will we let the killing go.

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  21. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:15

    Well. Shit.

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  22. MythAl11 May 2015 at 19:21

    Why didn't surprise me that Dean would be so nasty to Sam after Charlie being killed? Of course let's forget what we did in season 9 right Dean? Oh it's the MoC effect... right. I wonder if Sam said the same to Dean last season, how fans reaction would be? And why do I think that Dean is going to smell like roses after all this?


    One thing for sure: Dean will beat the hell out of Cas, judging the extended promo.

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  23. Martin Anders11 May 2015 at 19:24

    Nope. I'm saying that the knowledge of the captured Styne wouldn't have made any more difference than telling her that there were dangerous people after her. That information wouldn't have told her anything about Eli being close to finding her.

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  24. Martin Anders11 May 2015 at 19:29

    Actually, what Sam said in Season 9 was worse and a lot of fans thought that he was justified in saying it.

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  25. Martin Anders11 May 2015 at 19:30

    I'm guessing that's because angels have only a short window of time to bring back the dead if they are doing it without heaven's permission.

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  26. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:32

    Heh, for me nothing will be worse then what Sam told Dean just to hurt him because he was hurt (those are Sam's words, not mine)

    And well... At last Sam won't feel guilty for Charlie too long since he said in the promo it's all Dean's fault.

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  27. MythAl11 May 2015 at 19:34

    Nothing would happen if Dean wasn't so reckless to get the mark in the first place.

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  28. fazziemodo11 May 2015 at 19:34

    So why say

    Being aware of a general danger and knowing of some specific bad guys after you and how close they are are two very different things.

    or

    But she didn't know about the Styne Dean had caught, nor did she know how close the other one was to finding her.



    If staying in the motel or in the warehouse with the powerful angel and witch wouldn't have made a difference why mention these?

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  29. MythAl11 May 2015 at 19:37

    If you think so.

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  30. sharonally11 May 2015 at 19:38

    Actually Southern Comfort comes close but actually it is Dean's fault that is the simple truth. No MOC no reason for any of this if he done the right thing instead of marching off then things would be different.


    But as the songs says 'Turn a different corner'.

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  31. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:38

    No... He was completely wrong doing that so they could kill Abaddon. I understand why he did it, but I never liked what he did, specially without knowing the outcome.

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  32. MythAl11 May 2015 at 19:40

    And why didn't he know the outcome? Did he actually let Cain explain to him? Like I said reckless.

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  33. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:41

    No, it doesn't because Dean wasn't fully himself and Sam was. Actually, I prefer not go there when it comes to the boys being possessed and saying awful things to each other.

    I think I didn't worded well my comment. I didn't say Dean did the right thing or that Sam is wrong. Just that it doesn't look like he's blaming himself anymore.

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  34. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:42

    Why are you so defensive? I didn't disagree with you, just extended your comment using my thoughts. :\

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  35. MythAl11 May 2015 at 19:43

    No I'm not being defensive just extending my POV. Sorry if i wasn't clear =).

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  36. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:43

    Oh, ops. Sorry. :)

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  37. Ambar Moreno Candelas11 May 2015 at 19:45

    OMG! :OOO I CAN´T WAIT! THIS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!! :D ♥

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  38. sharonally11 May 2015 at 19:47

    The words came from Dean the Spectre just picked up on them. Dean has said plenty without a 'influence' so last season I saw the Purge as no different.

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  39. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 19:53

    Supernatural influences turn feelings, anger, etc a lot worse and blow things out of proportion. That's always how I try to see it since season 1 because some things said were pretty brutal and I know, deep down, that neither brothers fully thinks like that. So I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

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  40. chris68411 May 2015 at 20:00

    This will be a good week (or two weeks) to avoid the fandom.

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  41. sharonally11 May 2015 at 20:01

    That is fine but if the feeling was not there then there would not be anything to get worse or magnify .

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  42. sdwhiskey11 May 2015 at 20:01

    Ooooh, the MoC really has its hooks in Dean now. It looks like the prophecy is on its way to becoming a reality. The mark definitely wants a battle between Dean & Sam in the end and it's clearly taking advantage of Sam's involvement in the events that led to Charlie's death. Come on Dean, you can overcome it.

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  43. MythAl11 May 2015 at 20:01

    I do like to have good talk about the show because I still think they have some potential (but frankenstein, really?). But when I see double standards, I react strongly, not only watching a show but in life too. And in my opinion, the writers go out of their way to make the audience sympathize with Dean, even in a situation where he is absolutely wrong. He is wrong to take the MoC, well let's make him a killing machine so people can see how badass he is, but he only can kill bad guys, keeping his moral compass. Compare how many people said to Dean that it was an awful idea to trick Sam last year with how many said to Sam that lying to Dean isn't a good idea? Or when they were incapable to explore Sam's POV after what happened to Gadreel, but we get Kevin forgiving Dean and a Dean's broken face as the last shot of The Purge episode (that moment sealed to me that the audience would sympathize to Dean).


    So yeah Miss, maybe we agree to disagree and I'm really fine with that =). But I think that somehow Sam is going to be the one more damaged in all this.

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  44. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 20:07

    Absolutely. It'll be a "hate fest".

    I really to return to my "don't read the comments" resolution.

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  45. sdwhiskey11 May 2015 at 20:13

    It's going to be intense! Well as someone who does like Dean, I think this is the place to avoid for sure. I haven't been been here in a long while so I almost forgot how much hate Dean gets here. Yikes.

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  46. Nick11 May 2015 at 20:17

    The Abbadon that they disposed of with ease in season 8. The Abbadon who would still be out of commission if they hadn't been so stupid as to dig her up, reattach her head and leave the rest of her in an open box on the table while they both left the room to answer the same phone call???

    Th idiocy of that moment still makes me cringe!

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  47. Miss Supernatural11 May 2015 at 20:21

    Yeah... And made their grandfather's sacrifice useless.
    God I hate it when writers turn these two smart, great Hunters into stupid like this

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  48. Martin Anders11 May 2015 at 20:28

    KNOWING ABOUT ELDON WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE.


    Charlie was in "general danger" from all the Stynes. She should've known they were looking for her even if Sam hadn't said anything at all.



    She was in specific danger from Eli Styne who was extremely close to finding her. But Sam didn't know about him and nor did Charlie.



    If she didn't chose to stay safe when she knew of the "general danger", then more information about that general danger wouldn't make it any more specific and thus wouldn't change her mind.

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  49. chris68411 May 2015 at 20:29

    I think a lot of people are defensive right now. And to be fair, I've seen the hate tossed both ways on this site recently. When things get tense like this, I prefer to just remember that these characters are being driven by strong emotions (which is a good thing), and there's no need to assign blame for everything that happens to one character or the other. These characters have baggage, and they sometimes just react emotionally.

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  50. chris68411 May 2015 at 20:35

    I tend to disagree that the thoughts are the problem. I think most people at least occasionally have bad thoughts about someone they're very close to, and the supernatural forces always stir them up for these two. The question is, having heard what the other thinks, or even what's buried deep in their own subconscious, what do the characters do from there, and can they learn from it?

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  51. fazziemodo11 May 2015 at 22:12

    Then why bring up the difference of being aware and knowing of some specific danger and how CLOSE they are. Sam knew that the Steins were CLOSER than Charlie and him had previously thought they were.


    As you said there is a difference between being aware of danger and knowing of how CLOSE it was.

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  52. Martin Anders11 May 2015 at 22:21

    Then why bring up the difference of being aware and knowing of some specific danger and how CLOSE they are.

    To point out that Charlie had no solid reason to be a paranoid shut-in. Although, it bears pointing out that paranoia is actually a good thing for hunters.

    Sam knew that the Steins were CLOSER than Charlie and him had previously thought they were.

    As you said there is a difference between being aware of danger and knowing of how CLOSE it was.


    No, he didn't. He had no idea that the Stynes were anywhere close to finding Charlie.

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  53. Audrey11 May 2015 at 23:30

    I think Sam is talking to Crowley, not Dean, the cuts in the promo are often misleading us.
    And that's not wrong, Crowley played Dean to make him take on the MOC.

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  54. MythAl11 May 2015 at 23:55

    I think it's Crowley too and my guess is that Sam kills him.

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  55. BoxManLocke12 May 2015 at 00:00

    What a trainwreck. It seems the only thing Carver is passionate about is riling up the fandom as much as possible by introducing asinine conflicts between the brothers. Conflicts that are always brought up by the characters being OOC (season 8) or straight up crap writing (Charlie).
    The only "conflict" that was interesting was last season, with Sam's reflexion about the dangers of codependency and the intolerable collateral damage it does. That led to some harsh words, but it could gave changed the show on a profound level. The kind of change that is needed after ten years. This season proves that quite well I think.
    But it seems Carver thought it would be too much work to change the show, and killed any change of evolution by making Sam say he didn't mean anything of it. Throwing him under the bus in the process as he likes to do, because it reduced Sam's good arguments into simple mean words.
    Anyway, I'm so over this conflict crap. I think it's amusing Dean would insult Sam about Charlie though. He is such a hyprocrite sometimes, just like his brother who became obsessed by saving his brother after all he said last year.
    A season of hypocrites, crap writing, and lame character deaths. Good times !

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  56. BoxManLocke12 May 2015 at 00:04

    He was totally justified. Unless you think events like Kevin and Charlie dying are acceptable events, as long as the glorious Winchesters survive for another day.

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  57. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 00:24

    For 10 years Supernatural **has been** about their codependency. It was always the heart of the show. That's why so many fans were upset for Sam not looking for Dean and Sam's words. Those stuff were out of character for the show. Take their codependency away and it's not "Supernatural" anymore. I know some fans dislike it and want it to change. But, like I said, it's THE Supernatural formula. It's what the show were always about and always will, for some of us. And it doesn't have to be something bad either. It was this that saved the world.

    I don't know if Carver wanted to change it. I think all he wants is what you said: Cause OOC conflicts and rile up fandom with fights. And I must say, he's great at it. Fandom has never been so toxic than since he took over. Which I don't think that it should be something to be proud of.

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  58. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 00:34

    You're right, could be Crowley. And I agree.

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  59. BoxManLocke12 May 2015 at 00:38

    Codependency saved the world five years ago. You tell me what is has accomplished since then, except repeating the same situations over and over again.
    Sam and Dean can still love and care for each other without needing to go to stupid lenghts to save each other. It think that's a pretty tame evolution, but a necessary one.

    I think the fandom would be a lot less toxic if there was still enjoyment to be found in Supernatural as a creative show, and not the pile of contrived, overly-dramatic nonsense that it is now, thanks to Carver and Singer.
    Kripke's or Gamble's conflit didn't prevent episodes from being actually good, most of the time.

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  60. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 00:42

    I was saying that it's a matter of how their codependency is shown. It doesn't have to be a bad thing. Pretty much Carver made it a bad thing. But yet, I don't want it to change. I love their relationship the way it is. This is what the show is about to me still.

    I agree with your second paragraph, though. :)

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  61. lala212 May 2015 at 00:52

    I know many don't agree w/me, but I also think Sam's words to Dean in TP were needlessly harsh and a bit OTT. I love Sam (and Dean), and even I was not happy w/that hurtful speech. I found it cruel. It didn't even get at why Sam was upset in the first place.


    If Sam had been allowed to express himself the way I truly believe the fictional Sam would have, there would have been no pointless brother conflict, or at least Sam wouldn't have been thrown under the bus again.


    The sympathy should have remained w/Sam, but it was gone the minute he opened his mouth.

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  62. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 01:25

    Exactly. My issue wasn't with Sam being hurt and angry. He was right to be. My issue was how the writers made him express it. It was OTT and OOC for me.

    I forgot which comment you asked me this, so I'll answer it here, if you don't mind. The "Kevin issue" came up this season when Dean was "talking" to Metatron, in which he threw all the blame of pretty much everything on Dean.

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  63. lala212 May 2015 at 01:33

    Okay. Thanks. I don't recall that Metatron/Dean conversation, but then this season has been fairly UN-remarkable IMO.


    I agree w/you about S9. I never had an issue w/Sam being angry but I didn't care for the way the writers had Sam express his feelings. I didn't find it "true." Sam was mean to drive some brother conflict b/c I guess Carver needs to have that each year for some unknown reason!

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  64. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 01:36

    Ha! I don't blame you. The only reason I watched the scene at all was because one of the boys was in it. I hate Metatron, lol.

    Yep, completely agree as well. I hate what Carver and his writers did to his character on seasons 8 and 9 in order to create a contrived, forced (and fake) brothers drama.

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  65. lala212 May 2015 at 01:39

    Yeah . . . he's done it in every season since he came on as showrunner, and I'm sick of it. I'm sure there will be more brotherly (contrived) conflict next year. I don't plan to see it though.

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  66. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 01:48

    I think this season was pretty good regarding the brotherly love. I keep saying that I'm loving how Sam is doing whatever it takes for Dean. Sadly, I think it'll bring more contrived conflict between them both not only this season, but next, too.

    I wish I could do the same, but I can't. These two brothers (and Jared and Jensen) have me wrapped around their fingers. Bastards! *Sighs* I love them.

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  67. lala212 May 2015 at 02:04

    You know . . . I can't recall one single "broment" from this season. Honestly, this season bored me from the very first episode. I was disappointed yet not surprised w/the "safe" angle they took w/DD. I know Jared hurt his shoulder but that injury really did "Sam" a disservice for a large portion of the season. Crowley's whacked out love for DD and his mommy problems were terminally boring to me. Castiel's search for grace and then for his vessel's daughter was equally boring. He served no purpose this year. Sam spent a large part of the season knocked out or basically useless in the background until these last few episodes. MOC!Dean is just as calm and safe (and boring) as DD.


    It sounds like things might finally become interesting in the last two episodes, but what about the other 21? Why were those so pointless and boring? Haha! I guess Carver just drove away my love for the show, esp. this year. I've found this year even worse than last year. It's good you can still enjoy the show though.

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  68. CroatoanVirus2k12 May 2015 at 02:41

    In the first 5 seconds of the extended trailer, Dean already told Sam what I expect him to say. Thank God. I might actually enjoy this race to the finale this year.


    I really hope Dean fulfills Cain's prediction and kills him. Get rid of the liability.

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  69. Robanah12 May 2015 at 03:48

    He's shot with a gun though. So either he got turned fully human somehow, Sam melted and angel blade into bullets, or he carved a devil's trap into the bullet. Or perhaps it was the guy/demon that Crowley was looking for at the end of last week's episode. We'll find out on Wednesday I suppose

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  70. Robanah12 May 2015 at 03:50

    Considering that Jared said that he "cried" while reading the script for the finale...... Yeah..... it should be a pretty intense episode!

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  71. MythAl12 May 2015 at 03:56

    The writers could have explored his POV more like I said. It was a great opportunity, but instead they pretty much used those harsh words to fuel Dean's "I'm poison" cr*p feel (even after he got the mark and Sam had not said anything before it). Sam's speech in TPwas really harsh. This plus Dean's broken face made me think "Oh nice, here we go again with Sam being an awful brother, even when he has every right to be angry".

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  72. MythAl12 May 2015 at 04:02

    IMO season 10 has some good episodes if you take one by one. But the storytelling is really, really awful. It doesn't matter if the next two episodes are amazing, the MoC storyline was a big fail.

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  73. lala212 May 2015 at 05:08

    Oh, yes, I agree. After that episode, I knew Sam had been thrown under the bus. I'm a bi-bro fan, and I knew Sam was too "harsh" in his words.


    Frankly, I didn't understand the writing for Sam. I'm not sure what they were going for in TP and much of the 2nd half of the season. That "partner not brothers" crap was just that: crap.

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  74. lala212 May 2015 at 05:11

    Sadly, there are very few individual episodes I remember. The only one I really enjoyed was AAB, but even then, Sam was knocked out from being thrown into a little bookshelf. I wasn't a fan of that girls school episode, but then I didn't care for PONR either.


    I might better appreciate S10 a few years from now! Haha!

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  75. Sean12 May 2015 at 06:03

    Codependency has also damned the world more than once. Codependency broke the first seal. Codependency is why the gates of hell are still open. For many, it seems that 'love' is only 'love' when it's codependency. That's why I appreciate Sams speech in The Purge. As brothers, the decisions they make havs disastrous consequences for those they are meant to save. If Sam and Desn were just partners Dean would not have made the demon deal. In fact, he'd have tried to stop someone else making it. If Sam were Bobby or Garth etc, he would not have had them possessed etc.

    Same words might have been 'harsh' for some but characters have been pussyfooting around Dean since day one. His 'feels' have become the second most important character on the show. They're sacrosanct! The world can burn around them as long as Deans feeling aren't hurt! Sam didn't scream it or roar what he said at Dean. He stated it calmly, and it should have been food for thought for Dean, something to consider, not something to just get pissy about.

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  76. Sean12 May 2015 at 06:04

    Sorry, BoxManLocke. This posted to the wrong place. Stupid phone early in the morning!

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  77. BoxManLocke12 May 2015 at 07:06

    No worries, I completely agree with you and would have missed your post had it not popped up in my notifications so this is good really :D

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  78. CyanaT12 May 2015 at 15:40

    Yeah, Crowley's wounded but alive in the promo for 10.22. Crowley's in the finale so he survives until at least then. Sam killing Crowley in 10.22 would just be Sam having a hissy fit over feeling it's Crowley's fault Dean poked at Cain. If Sam kills Crowley in the finale it makes more sense if either Rowena provides the Mark removal solution (holding up Sam's side of the deal) or Sam has time to crack Charlie's code he sent Sam in 10.21 and Sam seeks to kill Rowena and Crowley - but I doubt there's time in the episode.

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  79. CyanaT12 May 2015 at 15:43

    I agree the underlying negative thoughts are still there only murderously magnified. Same with Sam in Asylum or both in Sex and Violence.

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  80. CyanaT12 May 2015 at 15:52

    I agree... the plot line was constructed so that Cain didn't have time to discuss the full conditions of taking the Mark over tea with honey. I still hold that Show deals with Dean's taking on the MoC far more sympathetically than Show treated Sam's demon blood drinking storyline.

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  81. sue12 May 2015 at 15:55

    This is my thinking S11 even though we had the brothers break up only for short time in S10 because of 200th eps I say break them up for a little longer. They need to be seperated because of the co dependency issues they have. Not sure what kind of Dean we will have end of S10. Seperation would be good Dean can get his vacation. and Sam maybe he can stay at bunker.

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  82. sharonally12 May 2015 at 16:15

    Well if Dean had allowed Sam to die last season instead of sticking a angel in him then the 'liability' would not be bothering him.

    As for Dean he lives on top of a mountain of hypocrisy and it is getting bigger every day ..

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  83. CyanaT12 May 2015 at 16:21

    Yeah, I can almost see the same thing happening in season finale. Excluding Cas/Crowley and Rowena at this time). Sam and Dean get into a fight; the impala goes off the road; Dean writes a goodbye note as he calms down from the bloodlust, still having not seriously hurt one 'good guy' - not even Crowley; Dean contacts Death to something so he can't hurt anyone innocent 1). because Dean's feels he's 'poison' (9.10) and 2.) as others have observed the writers and showrunners don't dare taint Dean's 'martyr complex/applications for sainthood' image (7.06 among other episodes).
    Dean ends up dead somehow or 'good as dead' because he's sent to an alt universe including Purgatory; cue whiz bang FX that are gushed about. Sam cries a lot - but doesn't get to anything actually effectual, wasting the Sam (and Cas and Charlie leading to Charlie's death and Dean blame) do shady things to save Dean along with tons of Sam condemnation for doing 'reckless things'.
    Meh... if the finale happens anything similar to this way (again excluding what Cas/Rowena/Crowley are doing) if the finale ends with 'dead'/'mostly dead'/transformed into split Dean with one dead Dean. it will be little different than S9 finale - I don't care about the new technology used if Dean is still dead for the second year in a row.
    I want to be excited about the S10 finale and I want both brothers playing strong, proactive roles.

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  84. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 16:32

    Actually, Azazel and specially the angels wanted the Apocalypse to happen. They manipulated things for it to happen, so yeah, the whole world would be damned because, as stated on the show, no one else but Sam and Dean love for each other would be able to break through Lucifer and save it.



    Besides, if none of it had happened, my point stands: There would be no "Supernatural" ;)


    As for Sam's words... Well, he might have said it in a calm manner, but Sam said himself more than once that he lied, that he didn't mean it and that he only did it to hurt Dean because he was hurt. I understand that you and some others fans agreed with him back then and still do, but it doesn't change the fact that Sam doesn't actually feels this way, as it was showed not only by words, but also his actions.

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  85. chris68412 May 2015 at 17:02

    Jumping in here, but I'm in the camp that thinks the co-dependency needs to be dialed back. You can have a very close, loving relationship with someone without it being codependent. By its definition, codependency is when it become negative, and you're not doing what you're doing for the other person, but because you can't break the cycle, sort of like an addiction.


    In the case of Sam and Dean, I think this all started when John isolated his kids and brought them into a world of hunting, where they were taught that they can't have relationships with other people without getting them killed. They really can't lose each other now because they don't have anyone else.


    I think the brothers came close to breaking this in season 5, when they agreed that Sam should take in Lucifer for the greater good, and I think Sam tried again to break the cycle in season 8 by letting Dean go. When Sam said he wouldn't have done the same thing to Dean, they weren't talking about just looking out for each other and trying to save each other if the other is in danger - they were talking about taking extreme measures that hurts themselves and other people.


    Maybe Sam was lying (to Dean or to himself) when he said he wouldn't have done the same thing. Maybe he meant it at the time, as it appears he was on his way toward moving on to something else in season 8. And his words probably were harsher because he was angry at Dean. But I still would like to see their relationship move to a more healthier state where they can start to have some joy in their lives. I enjoyed their relationship more in the earlier seasons when they seemed to have more balance, even it was just an illusion.

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  86. Sean12 May 2015 at 17:08

    The Apocalypse started with Sam and Dean because Dean sold his soul. He did this because of his 'love' for Sam. (Strange way to show love, allow the other person to live with the knowledge that their brother is suffering in hell now, but that's the show.) Other people might not have sold their souls for their brothers. There's also nothing to suggest that other people wouldn't have stopped Lucifer. However, the way things were written, the Apocalypse started because of their codependency. The angels picked their family well.


    Sam didn't say that he only said it to hurt him etc. Padalecki said that, but Sam certainly didn't. Sam said 'I lied' but lied in relation to what? Dean said something along the lines of 'I thought you said you were okay with this', but Sam never said that he was okay with Dean dying. He said that, in the same circumstances, he wouldn't do the same thing that Dean did ie have him possessed.

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  87. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 17:10

    I don't disagree, specially with the final part of your comment. I love early seasons, too. My favorite is the 2nd. It was so creative, it was fun to watch, in every sense.

    I think the "I lied" was always true because we could see it through the episodes until he finally admitted it in the season finale.

    They really can't lose each other now because they don't have anyone else.


    Maybe. But I think they don't want anyone else. Even if they had a spouse, they would always want the other nearby, too.

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  88. chris68412 May 2015 at 17:16

    To your last sentence, I think that's totally fine, as long as it stems from choice rather than need, and they respect the laws of nature (in other words, they're not trying to bring each other back from the dead).

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  89. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 17:18

    No, Sean. The apocalypse was meant to happen since Azazel started choosing "special" kids for Lucifer. Had Dean not gone to Hell, I'm sure he would have another "rightful man" to break the first seal while he would have one of the kids (Jake, maybe) to be Lucifer's vessel.

    Yes, Jared confirmed it even before the Finale. And the "I lied" line wasn't the only time he said it. The whole conversation with Charlie also related to that. And his actions. Same circumstances means to you not have Dean possessed, but for me is doing something against Dean's will or something that might have worst consequences. Like I said, I understand fans agreeing with him. But Sam's words and later actions show the opposite of what he said (thankfully, for me).

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  90. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 17:21

    Yeah, I think they being there with each other even having other options just would reinforce that what they want.



    And it's funny because while I was tying this, I remember that Carver kind of showed that. Sam could have had gone to Amelia and Dean with Benny or just alone, if they wanted. Instead, they chose each other, like they always do.

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  91. Sean12 May 2015 at 17:22

    Yes, it was meant to happen, but it happened with Sam and Dean 'because' of their codependency.


    How have Sam's ensuing words and actions shown the opposite of what he said? He never said he'd let Dean die, he never said he wouldn't try and save him. There were nearly 9 seasons before that that scene that showed Sam wouldn't let Dean die etc. (Which is why I find it hard to believe that so many people jumped on something that Sam didn't say.)

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  92. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 17:28

    No, it was stopped by their co dependency.

    No, he didn't say he would let Dean die, but same circumstances (for me and apparently in Dean's opinion) could mean he wouldn't do extreme things, putting other people at risk to save the other, going against the other wishes, which is what Sam did at the beginning of the season and now.

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  93. Sean12 May 2015 at 17:40

    And unfortunately, started by their codependency.


    At the beginning of the season Dean was a demon. Sam know (because Dean told him) that he didn't want to live like that. What Sam did, and is doing, was adhering to Dean's wishes. We saw at the end of last season that Dean doesn't want to be a demon or a monster, but this season he doesn't want to do anything that will stop him from becoming that monster. So what's a man to do?? If Sam does nothing people will die and Dean will be a monster, If he does something, people might die.

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  94. sue12 May 2015 at 17:45

    Well the mark is keeping Dean alive now if the mark is gone wouldn't the angel sword wound come back as well as all the other injuries he had taking on metatron.?

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  95. sue12 May 2015 at 17:46

    I thought we were headed down the healthy track

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  96. Miss Supernatural12 May 2015 at 17:52

    No, it wasn't. ;)

    I agree that Dean doesn't want to be a monster. But Sam was going against Dean's wishes about the Book and putting people in danger. Just to be clear, I'm not, in any way, saying that I think Sam is wrong. He's right, by trying to save Dean and more people if Dean becomes a monster. I'm with him all the way to save Dean, he has my full support, even if Dean doesn't like it. Just like Dean had last season.

    And with that, I'm done. We'll never agree, so it's time for me to let it go. :)

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  97. CroatoanVirus2k12 May 2015 at 19:06

    All Dean has ever done throughout his life was trying to look after his brother. Knowing it's going to make him miserable. That's what family is supposed to do. That's why it's called 'family'. Something that Sam knows nothing about. Sam never really want to be part of it. He always try to look for a way out. But it's always been Dean's job to make him man up.

    Your right about one thing. He should've looked in the mirror a long time ago... By stop living vicariously through John and be his own man. He should know he's not his brother's keeper.

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  98. CyanaT12 May 2015 at 19:48

    Possibly. But in pre S10 interviews Jared expressed at least once that 'a cured Dean (cured Demon Dean) ' would equal 'Dead Dean' because of the wounds inflicted by Metatron. 'Demon Meg's first host' (Nikki Aycox' died after she was exorcised. It's confusing - curing demons isn't the same thing as exorcising them. As shown in 8.22 Clip Show, the priest cured the demon and made him mortal, but it was poorly implied that the host was already dead. In a deleted scene Sam had a gun to kill Crowley once he became mortal ("cured") but that had nothing to do with completing the Third Trial, that was just vengeance for Crowley's crimes.
    So I don't know. But it's fair assumption that 'canon' was tweaked between seasons and when Crowley resurrected Dean with the First Blade he also healed Dean's mortal injuries. As I said in at least one or two preseason 10 interviews Jared was convinced if Sam cured Dean of being a demon Dean would die from Metatron's injuries.

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  99. sharonally12 May 2015 at 20:41

    So miserable he keeps bringing Sam back and it is hardly like Dean has made Sam,s life a bed of roses either .
    Sam had every right to look for away out and he had little to do with not loving his family so there is not a argument I will get in to . As for the rest Sam never made Dean or asked him to do anything so with due respect I am not interested in the Dean has had a miserable life because of Sam sorry .

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  100. BoxManLocke13 May 2015 at 00:01

    I wouldn't have bothered to reply to such a disgusting post.
    Though it raises an interesting question, how can anyone like this show while hating Sam or Dean so much they wish him dead ?

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  101. #BringBackCharlie13 May 2015 at 02:56

    Charlie wasn't supposed to die, Robbie and Jim fought hard to get it changed but it was over their heads. Bosses demanded it.

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  102. Tawrens13 May 2015 at 07:41

    Yeah because Sam feels bad it's ok he caused her death. Remember when Sam was the computer expert and solved his own cases? Now he's bad mouthing/lying about Dean behind his back, ordering people around and blaming others when people die as a result of Sam's actions but since Sam feels bad I'm sure Charlie forgives him.

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  103. stargoop14 May 2015 at 04:17

    I hadn't noticed until I read a wikipedia entry that most Hunters are male and even the few females have male names (like Jo or Jody) But even a name like Charlie wont keep you alive for long in the Boys Club. The writers prefer to assign/depict success and strength only to evil women. Hmmm what does that say about them?

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