I assume JP cut this shipper preview together. ^_^ Will be interesting to see how they'll end this chapter! Hoping for B's bige return in the closing moments.
"She's not the one" is probably out of context. And I don't think Elena will mind that Caroline kissed Stefan. It will be weird but she won't have anything against it
I ship them so i'm biaised but if you want an explanation anyway: there's few speculations already about this conversation. See this link: http://niemandniemandthings.tumblr.com/post/111177429064/okay-i-watched-it-thanks-to-the-uploader-i-do This ttheories seem to me pretty interesting.
To sum up, it would be the continuation of the conversation that Stefan had with Lexi in 4x22 about having multiple one true love.
He's in doubt, doesn't know if he could love someone as strongly as he loved Elena and seeking Damon to get comfort and assurance.
But Damon being totally devoted to Elena might have a hard time to help him: because he can't consider a life with someone else than Elena, even though he must be relieved that his brother has moved on and approves a romance with Caroline.
The dialogue would also create more drama for Caroline: she would overheard this conversation and we all know the complex of inferiority that she can have sometimes, especially when she's around Elena and based on the idea that she's rarely the one.
That or this is mashup of different scenes (because of the voice over) to mislead us.
In all cases, i don't believe that the writers are transforming the triangle in a quadrangle, so i expect a kind reaction from Elena.
So you think Caroline didn't care to there for her mom on her death bed? I don't know how you could possibly believe that. Caroline was thinking about her mother all the time before Liz unexpectedly went into a coma and died. She told Stefan she wanted to make her mother's last hours "perfect" - not realistic but understandable since it's Caroline who always tries to control things, even uncontrollable things like her mom dieing. She was devastated and blamed herself for not being with her mom in her final conscious moments, for not getting to say goodbye to her. The world around you doesn't stop because someone you love is dieing.
Don't fall the confusing promo.TVD australian promos are always the worst,only shipper centric(99% delena centric).Delena & Steroline are both end-game no matter what the promos say.
I hope Caroline is not asking for Elena's advice or approval regarding the kiss in this episode. I know they are best friends but Elena is the last person I would be having a conversation with regarding her affections about Stefan.
Stefan has always been good with Elena and I'm sad that they are turning his beautiful friendship with Caroline into romance. Another bad decision by the writters.
Haha, for a non-shipper, you do a pretty convincing job otherwise. Let the people have some hope, man! Maybe this is the episode where Stelena finally get back together?
lol....A leopard doesnt change its spots.Once he is in Elenas' panties...yes he is all lovey dovey but once she says bye bye ...hes "Oh Im so misunderstood...nobody loves me..lol.Ask Aaron or Jeremy how they fared...lol
Im holding out hope for?And she has said goodbye to him already.Im more of a storyline person and I love/loved the supernatural aspect of the show.I dont care for Damon cause he is a d%ck and he is childish.Thats abt it for me.
The hope for the end of Delena? That seemed to me to be the gist of your post. As in "she has said goodbye to him already"? They seem more "on" than ever.
I wish he'd go dick and childish again. I'd wish for some torture scenes too, but I'm being realistic here.
Well.,nowhere in my post did I state such I was mainly referring to Damon and what d&ck he is but since you did go there ..yes..I would love to see the end of Delena as they clearly do not work as stated by the writers and if you go on any website ,TB ,TV line etc ,I am not alon ein my thinking.Either...have them work it out and stay together or break them up completely.I dont like the pairing ..I will admit but once you are watching a show you watch what the writers are telling.They are on now yes...good for them,however I sense they will be over soon.No relationships on show last.
We don't seem to be communicating here - I'm totally for more Delena drama and Damon to be more of a dick again. It's just that as of the latest episodes, the show seems to be having them working out well together and Damon seems a tame kitten.
Hence, I'm totally confused by your original post - "She's not the one" is supposed to be Damon about Elena for him? I first thought it meant Elena for Stefan.
Still, I hope the show works out the way you want...? I just want more killing, damnit.
Nope.I said in my original post that Damon was telling Stefan that Elena was not the one.Stefan says (at least to my interpretation) that he always thought that Elena was the one which was also stated at the end of S4 when Elena chose to be with Damon and Stefan left ,he and Lexie had a convo in the car where he asked Lexi 'What if she was the one " and Lexi responded "She was".Nothing to do with Delena .I dont think the convo is abt those two as you stated they are together with less angst now.The writers stated that they are in their honeymoon phase so no angst just enjoying each other.Yes he is tame now ,he is always tame when he gets/has the girl but notice, when he came back from the other side and was in Elenas' room and turned down the photo of Caroline ,Elena and Stefan together ,thats him acting out because Elena erased the memories of him and only had bad memories.Let her decide to pay attention to Stefan again ,see what he does,thus my leopard comment.Actually I want more killing as well,more supernatural ,more flowing and "make-sense " storytelling.The writers stated that they knew from the end of S2 how they were going to end the series its just that it has taken longer than they thought to reach there.So maybe we will both end up getting what we want...lol
Well when they can't think of some other storyline, and don't want to end the show at a high place, they start doing stuff like that to make more material (and i find it boring really, this entire season)
can't even imagine what they will do next season, maybe Steroline and Delena will break up and Stefan will go back with Elena and Caroline and Damon, o wait maybe a triangle with Bonnie! - sorry i just really loved the show but they totally ruined it.(for me)
I wonder why Damon is saying "She's not the one." I have a feeling there are going to be some pissed - off shippers after this episode airs. I'm just not sure if it'll be Steroline or Delena shippers. Could be both, considering Elena's reaction to Caroline's confession. If Elena still has feelings for Stefan, which she clearly does, then Elena isn't the one for Damon. That opens the door for Stelena discussion during the hiatus, but people need to ask themselves if Elena really belongs with either brother. I've been saying for over a year that this love triangle can't possibly end with all three of them being happy together as friends. Maybe people who feel the need to ship should ship Damon and Elena with other characters.
The very odd assumption you're making is that people stop being friends when they become lovers, and that having a beautiful friendship doesn't translate to having a beautiful relationship.
As someone who has had a personal requirement that I don't date anyone unless we've been friends for a while first, those assumptions are absolute nonsense.
And no, Stefan and Elena the HUMAN were good together. Stefan and Elena the VAMPIRE was disastrous. Stelena shippers need to accept that Human Elena and Vampire Elena are not the same people. If Elena became human again, then maybe, but let's be realistic here. She broke Stefan's trust in every way imaginable, spent the last few years making it very clear she feels like Stefan was just a stepping stone to Damon, and made it very clear she doesn't see him that way anymore.
The bad thing about Stelena shippers is that they think of Stelena as one person, and not as a relationship that consists of two people. If Stefan got back with Elena, he would have absolutely zero trust that she is with him because she loves him the most, because everything she's said and done in the past has shown that's bullshit. Stefan deserves better than what Elena can offer him. Kai was brutally honest about how much Elena had changed since becoming a vampire and hooking up with Damon.
Elena's reactions are always teased as shocking or revealing about her feelings but then turn out to mean nothing at all in regards to Damon.
I'm seriously at a loss now as to what the writers could throw against Delena as an obstacle/end? The cure? I'm not seeing how that could work out but... eh.
True.My comment stands as well.Damon has always been brutal always showing up Stefan.He teases him beyond repair and all Stefan says is "I just wanted my brother".(paraphrased).This talk to me is long in coming because it is like the elephant in the room for the two brothers.Elena chose Damon ,Stefan leaves and Delena have the "summer of their lives" without Damon not thinking once about his brother.Damon got the girl so Stefan had to deal it however he chose.Stefan has decided to move on because he prefers to see his bother happy and Elena is also the one who used to bring out his humanity which Stefan was lobbying for a long time for.Now she just absolves anything he does and they work it out (literally..lol).Note as well that Elena and Stefan said to each other that they will always love each other and as much as Stefan wants to move on Stefan still has residual feelings for Elena.He may not be in love with her but they shared a special time together.Now..knowing the writers,they will go back and state that whilst Stelena were togther that Stefan had feelings for Caroline.That would be hialrious to me but I dont put it past the writers.I want for the ship Defan to end up together(not romatically) ,Elena will be human again,I sense it.
This promo just underlines how Steroline and Delena are the shows flagships. There seems to be nothing else going on. Caroline's mom just died and they're turing it into more steroline angst.
It's not what her reaction meant, it's that she had one at all. She's been uncomfortable with Caroline's feelings for Stefan from the start, but she pretended not to have a problem the same way she convinced herself that she didn't have feelings for Damon when she was human. She knew it was wrong, so she repeatedly denied it. Then the sire bond caused so many problems that Elena just didn't feel right choosing Stefan. That didn't mean she didn't love him, although she will undoubtedly try to convince herself and everyone else that she doesn't anyway.
I can think of two ways to end this fiasco: 1) Elena's compulsion is broken, leaving her with a new perspective about the suffering she went through because of her love for Damon. 2) Elena is put in a human body at the end of the series, toning down her feelings for both brothers to the point that she understands it's time for her to move on. One thing that Elena discussed with Alaric was that being a vampire makes her emotions too strong for her to cope with in healthy ways. It's already been established that the Cure doesn't work out, so I can't see the writers revisiting that.
I'm totally not seeing what you're seeing right now. Elena seemed to be okay with Steroline several times before, she seemed to be over Stefan, and given what we've been shown, breaking the compulsion should make her love Damon more, not less. I never saw any denial in her over Steroline.
But then again, I usually miss the more subtle romance hints dropped by the show, so I guess, why not?
How could Elena be put in a human body though? Whose body?
Ohhh, ok. But how would that work out for Stelena fans (I mean your original convo idea)? Stefan says he thought she (Elena) was the one, Damon say she wasn't - and then what?
Well i wouldn't be so sure about that, i think the promo draws parallels between Damon-Elena and Stefan-Caroline. I think Stefan is scared because he deoesn't want to hurt Caroline, obviously he has some feeling towards her but can he love her like he loved Elena? And maybe that's why Damon says "Not all love is True Love, and if she is not the one..."
Obviously is just a promo and like we all know especially non-american promos are always misleading so it's all just theory at this point.
Thanks DP - not sure why it is so difficult for individuals to see what is right in front of them. What Caroline was doing for her Mom was a beautiful thing she was trying to be helpful. She already felt bad for almost killing her prematurely - I can see if things had turned out differently Liz would have had a very peaceful death at the family cabin with her daughter by her side. But the writers decided to take a different route with this storyline and poor Liz never made it to the cabin. I am just glad Caroline was able to live in Liz's memories - we rarely get to see these human moments on TVD. Fans need to stop dumping on Caroline simply because she was with Stefan - they are missing the beautiful character development going on
The next arc concentrates on these things-Mama salvatore's return and how the brothers will affected by it,Enzo's backstory,Kai's semi-redemption arc,Bonnie's bad-ass journey,Delena melodrama & Steroline relationship struggle through hard times and getting stronger in the process. I don't see any supernatural element any time soon!
I didn't advocate it.I would prefer to see them getting wed instead of delena any day.I'd be okay if jo dies but i don't want alaric to suffer anymore on the romance department.
Well to me him saying that is to get the idea of him and Elena reuniting and to try something with Caroline.He has been pushing the idea to Stefan since the beginning of the season.Stelena fans I think ,yes they will always love Stefan and Elena together and if they do get back together ..yippee...if not then so be it.I am not sure if they will but the way how the writers have trampled over the relationship in this season it doesnt appear that way.I think she will be human again and she will make a choice again.I think that choice will be herself.
TVD have been heading in 1 direction with both Caroline /Stefan and Damon / Elena's relationships for some time - I do not expect any major changes in direction with these couples. They have always been described as slow burn - long haul.
I like how Stefan begins by saying it is not the "Final Moments" it is about all those Moments that lead up to them - so the way I look at it - it is all about those special / caring / trusting / honest moments that lead up to Stefan / Caroline kiss that got them to this point in their relationship. Same can be said for Damon / Elena - Both Caroline and Stefan have both commented to Elena that Damon is always there for her through thick and thin - Same is true for Steroline - So if you take into account the journey these 4 individuals have had together since S1 then they are exactly where they need to be.
Not the augustine arc,His personal life before all that experimentation.Julie said they'll explore why he is bending over backwards to destroy stefan;s life.She said it's not petty jealousy,something more and that'll be revealed soon.
I'm not pro or against Stefan/Elena - though if pushed to choose a side at this point I'd have to probably say against. But I did want to bring up one thing about their relationship.
TVD has said time and time again that becoming a vampire doesn't change who you are. It simply amplifies it. So while I agree that Vamp Elena and Stefan didn't seem to work, I don't think it was actually about her being a vampire. I think it was about how she sees herself as a vampire and why she thinks Stefan fell in love with her in the first place. I think the same thing can be said of Stefan. He put a lot of emphasis on getting Elena the cure, but it wasn't just because she had become this other person, but because he is FILLED with self loathing. Without them both dealing with these issues of guilt and self worth they will never be able to figure out if what they had/could have is real at all.
I think it's tied somehow to the mama salvatore storyline.Remember both mama salvatore & enzo suffered from the same disease before dying-Consumption?That's way to much coincidence for TVD.This show doesn't do subtle!
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That "she's not the one" line is just Damon worrying about Elena changing her mind again. Same with the "not all love it true love" or whatever. You know Damon can't experience more than a second of happiness without questioning it. I'm sure he's just worried about "hurting her" or some nonsense.
Now bring on Bonnie and Kai'd! BTW - Is this the ep Ian directed?
My theory-Damon and enzo shares the same mother,damon & stefan shares the same father. Enzo isn't going after damon coz he doesn't consider him a salvatore at all,that's why he didn't mind much when he learned damon killed the love of his life-maggie but went after stefan when he provoked him first by killing ivy for no reason. I know it's a absurd theory but the writers did say their mother has a deep secret,What if this is it?
Hmm, I saw pictures of a "rave" from the one he directed and I can't imagine there would be a rave in the same episode as the funeral... then again...
I really hope they don't cause anymore friction between Delena, I'm not onboard but I would rather see them eating pancakes every episode then deal with anymore of their "will they won't they".
When was the last time some even got their neck snapped?
As much as I'm hating the Enzo storyline at least he is somewhat acting like a vampire.
Wait wait if I'm making a wish list I can do better than that.
As I've mentioned before, Bonnie comes back doesn't call or text anyone. She's at the funeral, but in the back and unnoticed. She runs into Kai while buying beer at the gas station yada yada yada, they burn "SCREW YOU MF" into the football field. It's the beginning of a violent, zero f#ks given relationship.
Matt remembers that there is such a thing as vervain, he drinks a ton, goads Enzo into biting him removes his daylight ring (and clothes nothing wrong with us getting a little show as he burns) and kicks him out of the bar. He and Sarah Salvatore roast marshmellows over his burning corpse. She takes pictures. They tag them #enzoyousucked #enzoyougotburned #bestdayever
Delena eat pancakes, Damon briefly thinks about how much better Bonnie was at the crossword.
Alaric is fired for missing like most of the semester and not submitting any grades and begins working at the bar. Someone tips him with a coin that turns out to be a magical relic. Hijinks, mayhem and murder with him and Jo ensue.
Tyler looks in the mirror realizes he's the worst.
Liv just doesn't ever appear on the show again, no explanation, just gone.
How old is Enzo? Could he be Damon's father? That would just be too weird - Right? Also, wasn't Enzo and Stefan at War around the same time? How did they never meet - I believe they were both vampires at the time.
Is Damon saying she is "Not the One" or "What if She is Not the One"?
As far as Elena's response it could be read 2 different ways - Surprise Happy for Them or Surprise - What are you Thinking. Honestly, I believe Elena only wants what is best for Caroline and Stefan. Elena was OK when Caroline started dating Matt and I believe she will respond similar if Caroline decides to start dating Stefan.
I agree - Elena appears to support Caroline and Stefan's relationship. Also, not sure Elena becoming human would really change anything with her relationship with the Salvatore brothers.
I think you raise a very good point - Lexi told Stefan one time that Elena would always be "the one"/ epic love - but being a vampire you can actually have more than One Epic Love - Stefan being Stefan is trying to come to terms with that - it was easy to fall in Love with Elena but with Caroline they were friends first - and I believe he is at a cross-roads deciding to either go for it or go back to just being friends. I think it is about time he pick back up his journal and figure it all out. Lexi knew Stefan better then anyone and I trust her judgement - she believed in Steroline and so do I.
jackson ! long time ! haha - well.. after going NUTS over this stupid promo. Ive decided that its damon talking about either stelena or katherine... elena n damon seem to be in a good place right now..donno y he wud suddenly question it . . but stefan's moronic face kinda pisses me off... is he like regretting the kiss or something ?? fuck I'm gonna be mad if he takes a step back.. aarrgghh !
oh god i can't take another round of stelena hope !!! donno why elena had to go erase her memories. Why can't she get davina to undo the compulsion. Or KAI. if davina can do it, then Kai can too
unless she is secretly questioning her decision (damon).. i mean, how will she react when she hears damon killed a pregnant woman ?? Wont that raise a lot of doubts regarding why she would want to be with someone who's capable of such heinous things... i mean, she dsnt have her good damon memories guys.. doubt is only natural. AND she remembers her relationship with stefan to boot.. what if she thinks stefans the one who can bring her human self back to the surface? this is tvd after all.. caroline-stefan-elena love triangle ?
Stefan couldn't love elena the vampire. that was quite evident. In a conversation between damon and stefan, D asks S - are u doing this for her or coz you can't love her lk this, n he says, she is not supposed to be this person n D says I'm doing this for you not her, i can love her either ways. ---- it was evident that stefan could not fully accept vampire elena. i know tvd fans will always say that stefan loved elena till the end and even wen she was with damon, but this episode really showed the cracks in stelena. if it was indeed TRUE LOVE, stefan wouldn't hv struggled so much with loving vamp elena.
My point is not that couldn't love her but why? And the reason is because he hates himself. He hates "The Ripper' part of himself and seeing someone he thought of as innocent and pure changed into the monster he believes himself to be was too much for him. He didn't try to love her as a vampire till it was already too late.
for some reason I'm pissed off at stefan. go figure !!
i mean, is it really really necessary for him to go to damon for advice? is it ? is it? i mean he had all the time in the world to figure out his feelings for her.. she wasn't pushing for anything. He was the one being all flirty,-- take the phone from my very tight jean pocket wen i can just hold the boxes with one hand n get the phone coz I'm a vampire, tucking her hair behind her ears.. and he was the one who bloody leaned in to kiss her. dint he know going into the kiss what he was getting into? dint he? dint he? Stefan salvatore the guy who weighs out everything in his mind before acting dint know the ramifications of that kiss? C'mon !!!!!! C"MON !!
aarrgghh i guess I'm not as ok as i thought i was.
I think the cure would work on Elena. Katherine was turned 500 years ago so time was catching up on her after she took the cure, but with Elena that shouldn't happen, she is not that old.
Damon's Father!?! Look if you remember way too early in season 1,giuseppe always loved stefan much more and pretty much ignored damon.(Watch the Flashback scenes)-i might be a nice parralel to mikael in TO when he learned klaus was not his own blood.Maybe that happened in case of Mama salvatore too.She had an affair outside her marriage and enzo was the result.She gave him away coz either she was too ashamed or her husband forced her to do it.How she's still alive,i don't know but being a vampire makes sense at this point. The other theory is-Stefan killed someone dear of enzo in long past when stefan might not remember in his ripper phase(around 1915-20).Enzo was locked up for approx.70 years,so the timeline fits.When enzo heard his name from damon's name,he didn't connect the dots however when he met him in mystic falls,he remembered him fast but decided to keep mum.He was determined to drive a wedge between the brothers slowly so that stefan also gets robbed of the one thing he loves most-His brother.This theory sounds more likely. What do you think-Like any of these theories?It's pure speculation at this point.
Klaus can always be back to her. But now I think Stelena can happen again too & bye Delena. Damon might lose Elena because Stefan might go back to her and Elena will question who is the one for her again. Damon might destroy his own relationship & love of his life because of his own words :'(
ok even if delena ends and even if elena wants a second chance with stefan, i just don't see stefan let her back in. I just can't see it happening. He has moved on. for good. I'm talking irrespective of delena/steferine/steroline. even if elena n stefan are then last 2 vamps in mystic falls - he still wouldn't go back to her. thats how strongly i feel about the sinking of the stelena ship
Okay.Notice her words and actions never match.Why is it that she only had bad memories of Damon,she despised him at the beginning ,couldnt believe that she loved him and is all over him now?Why is she acting surprised that she was on her way to Stefan at the end of S3?Everything so far that has been fed to her has been that she was in love with Damon.I know the writers are all over the place and are rewriting their own history to tell new stories but I somehow sense that a big chunk of history has been removed .Anyhow ...yes she always finds her way back to Damon ...even when she doesnt...lol
No, the cure is a dead story. It's already been revealed that no matter how young a vampire is, the cure will remain in the person's blood and prevent vampire blood from healing them. It also removes the option of becoming a vampire again. The cure is more like a virus to end the problem of vampirism. That's why the Hunters were after it as their mission. There's no reason to believe that the cure will ever be brought up or used again, except maybe as a weapon. That being said, what's wrong with Elena being human? The sources of her problems are that she's both a vampire and a doppelganger. I think she'd be better off being neither of those things.
with just one more season left in tvd, i don't see how they can introduce new love interests for damon and elena and make that ship float ! So either delena is endgame or both remain single
It's amazing how that one scene in the preview - Stefan and Damon talking - still has US talking! But the scene is not continuous; there's a break in it. What we're hearing, or think we're hearing, is not a complete conversation. The words are out of context and trying to make sense of them is impossible. My brain is tired. I'm waiting until Thursday.
Just to throw 1 more crazy theory out there - So these events are broken up and can mean anything - since they are broken my guess they are misleading. My Theory - What if the line by Damon at the funeral "Not all Love is True Love Brother" - is in reference to their mother and Damon questioning her love for him? Their father was very hard on Damon and may have planted the seed of doubt. Trying to put things into context at this moment - Damon is either about to give the eulogy or has just delivered it - Liz gave Damon a 2nd chance since he did not deliver it at his Mom's funeral so I wonder if this is where the conversation begins with their mother and Damon / Stefan begin to head down memory lane - ie Flashback? It just seems a bit Odd that Stefan would be talking to Damon about his relationship with Caroline at the Funeral - I can see maybe when they get home, it just seems misplaced if it is about Steroline. Or Damon could be talking about his love for Liz - Again could mean any # of things.
I think the next logical step would be for Kai to offer to break the compulsion. That might be where the "proposition" comes in. I don't know why some people think that Damon will propose to Elena. Vampires don't get married unless there's a ritual that applies to them, which isn't the case with Damon and Elena. I also can't see Damon as the marrying kind. He can clean up nice for a friend's funeral, but a groom tuxedo at a wedding is getting carried away.
The problem with compulsion is that breaking one still changes the feelings of the person who was compelled. Elena will remember loving Damon, but she'll also remember how she felt when she was compelled. She'll be able to look at her relationship with Damon from a different and possibly healthier perspective. This is probably the only reason why Kai might agree or offer to break the compulsion. He hates Damon too much to give him his girlfriend back without consequences. I don't think there will be anymore push and pull between Damon and Elena. The writers will most likely leave that behind in Season 5. When Delena ends, it'll be over. There might be a short time in this season or the next where Stefan and Elena wonder if they're "the one" for each other, but I don't know if they'll act on it. I think we're close to the point where Elena ends up alone after going through both brothers. If it happens this week instead of next season, Caroline might not be the only one to have some kind of downward spiral. Now that contracts and the show have been renewed for the final season, the love triangle that started the show can be completely dissolved at any time. The only remaining question will be whether all of these friends can stay in one town and co-exist peacefully. Friendships as well as relationships will need to be worked out while new threats keep coming into Mystic Falls and causing more disruption.
Their was a recent article about Enzo in the International business times - not much other then Enzo is fiercely loyal to Damon and blames Stefan for not rescuing him & being a better brother also we really don't know exactly how old Enzo is but we are about to learn his history here shortly - Not sure about the theories above - If Enzo was a bastard child why did Damon's father hate Damon so much? Why not Stefan? Honestly, I think Enzo's storyline is really meant to unravel the true story between these brothers. He will be exposing deep honest feelings between them that were never spoken.
But for someone who never wants to be a vampire again the cure wouldn't be that bad. But I guess Elena wants to spend eternity with Damon .. or at least she wanted to before her memories were gone. I have nothing against human Elena but i still prefer her as a vampire. I can't even tell you why ..
As i said,I think damon and enzo shares the same mother,not the same father.By that definition,damon is also a bastard child along with enzo.Enzo,he could give away but damon,he had to tolerate coz he probably learned about him pretty late. Exposing deep honest feelings between brothers doesn't do anything to reveal enzo's reason to hate stefan so much.Julie has confirmed we will get to know the real reason why enzo hates stefan so much,whether that is connected to mama salvatore or not-that is pure speculation.
Not sure exactly how to respond and where you are coming from? Ric altered Elena's good/romantic memories of Damon as if they did not exist so all she had left were BAD memories of Damon. So Yes What she is Saying that even though she has NO memories of their HAPPY times together somehow she still found her way back to him NOT Stefan but him...so yes she was surprised because the ODDS were stacked against them. She remembers Human Elena was in Love with Stefan at one time and Matt was taking her back to him so Why not find her way back to Stefan after Ric took away her memories of Damon? The ODDS were in their favor - She only remembers Damon as a Monster - Stefan is single - Why not pick up where her and Stefan left off? I think that is what the writers are trying to tell us that the Love between these 2 concurs all. Human Elena, Vampire Elena, No Happy Memories of Damon Elena - it does not matter she always seems to find her way back to the man she truly loves. Damon.
I like your theories. I truly hope they give us a good reason for this stupid revenge sl. I used to love Enzo and I still want to love him but he makes it very hard. It's kind of like loving a veeeery annoying dog. Everytime I see him doing something stupid I'm just like "NO!! STOP THAT ENZO!! BAD ENZO!!" It's frustrating ..
Whatever you're saying you can't tell me is probably something you're not alone in thinking about. If you have a private ship or something, believe me, there's nothing to be ashamed of in this fan base. Anything can happen on TVD or TO. As for Elena being an ordinary human, I'd consider that boring TBH. I'd rather see her as a traveler or witch, trying to figure out how to use magic and stuff. I don't mind her as a vampire, but I keep feeling that her biggest problem, the one that really destroyed her life, is that she's a doppelganger. I know that everyone loves Nina, but she's been talking like she's too old to play Elena for very much longer, and the writers and casting people have done a great job so far of replacing actors who couldn't remain part of the franchise.
Agree - Elena going back to Stefan at this point does not make sense. Her going off on her own w/o either brother to be successful she was already at that cross-roads and chose to give Damon another try. I still think Delena has a few more roadblocks to overcome (ie: Sarah's mother death) but I still believe they are the endgame. Also, marriage might be the key for Damon to feel that he is truly loved we will just have to wait and see - Rose & Trevor spent their immortal life together - Yes, they were not married but committed to each other still.
No, I think by the end of Season 4 when Elena chose Damon, Stefan was starting to come around to the fact that becoming a vampire didn't completely "ruin" Elena. He was willing to be with her if she chose him.
With Caroline, he really only got to know her as a vampire. She had already turned before they became close, so she has pretty much been the same person she's always been in his eyes. Despite my inability to 'ship them, I think their relationship is great and probably one of the few times Stefan has been able to see that becoming a vampire doesn't implicitly make you a monster.
I think Ian got a cool episode (#16) to direct because it has flashbacks with Stefan & Damon's mom. Apparently Liz' death brings up Damon's memories of his own mother's passing. He already told Liz that he wasn't with his mom much before she died, and after volunteering to write her eulogy he never even went to the funeral. I can't wait to find out the story behind that!
After Ep 14 I have to believe Damon thought of Liz like a mother, although I always wanted to see them get it on. Gross you say? No! Older women with younger men can be very hot. Besides, Damon was actually way older than Liz!
I think Elena has been slowly becoming more badass since the beginning of the season, and I agree that the damsel in distress thing is old. But Season 1-5 Elena wouldn't have dropped from a tree to feed off an unsuspecting human, and she definitely wouldn't have gotten herself loose in the high school and used a science lab to set Kai on fire. Elena of the past would have stayed chained up and waited for someone to save her. Then she would have complained about everything Kai did to her. Did you notice that the TVD Rehashes on Twitter have been phasing out any mention of Delena? They didn't mention the ship at all in the last one. It looks like both Damon and Elena might get their own stories soon. Elena seems to want to find humanity in Kai, and Sarah Salvatore's presence and reliving his mother's death will make Damon want to focus more on his family.
u know i honestly never thought about the mom angle.. u think damon is maybe saying their dad dint really love their mom ? coz theres nothing to suggest that damon/stefan dint love their mom. they think of her fondly..
yeah your right.. my only worry - stefan to lexi in s4 finale bat elena - 'she's the love of my life, i will go back to her in a heart-beat'.. thats something steroline has to overcome. not the mention the " you can either be friends or in love with someone, i don't think u can be both".... thats one belief that has to be trashed. . . . ooh boy
I think she doesnt go after Stefan because if you remember in S4 she said that Stefan looked at her as monster and I think (just my opinion) that she think she deserves the bad in life thats why she chose Damon, which represents the dark side of her existence.I dont deny that Elena doesnt love Damon,she loves him.Shipper talk aside...why did she tell Stefan he was the best choice she made and Damon the worst choice she made?As CD said Human Elena was meant to be with Stefan and Vampire (dark) Elena was meant to be with Damon.Notice with Damon ,her being a vampire,she doesnt call him out for any misdeeds.When he killed Aaron she was all guilty because she thought she had killed him and when Damon finally revealed that he had killed Aaron,her guilt went away and she was all okay, next subject.She expects a vampire to do bad,evil things and not feel guilty abt it but with Stefan she cannot do it because Stefan calls her out for it.When she was human she would call out both guys for their misdeeds.Damon killed Jer in S2 and she said she hated him ,Damon kills Aaron in S5 ,that was brushed under the rug.Stefan is the one who makes her feel accountable and makes her fight ,Damon does not.Thus the resorting to drugs at the beginning of the season and not fighting for him,her words and actions do not match.When Stefan went off with Klaus to save Damon,she fought for him ,words and actions do not match.However she truly loves Damon.
Is it bad that I think a whole episode dedicated to Liz Forbes' funeral looks super boring? I sound like a broken record but I don't care- I miss when this was a horror show.
It's not really all dedicated to Liz...It contains flashbacks to 1858 (The Salvatore era :D Which I for one missed dearly) and it continues Bonnie's journey to Nova Scotia and (hopefully) her return to the real world. And it has the Parkers, including Kai who is always awesome. I'm really excited for these things...
Meh...Australian Promos and their tendency to have literally nothing to do with the episode itself. I remember their tease for the upcoming reunion of Stelena in the 6x03 promo and Stelena had a total of...2 minutes screen time together? Yeah no...Not buying this.
I agree but they don't usually include the flashbacks in the promos. If the flashbacks are important they show nothing like 5x03 or 6x04 promo, if they're not that plot heavy and important they might show glimpses like 5x19. I think they should've included Bonnie and Kai in the promo.
*Scene opens at a pancake house, Steroline and Delena attending*
Stefan: Is that our waitress? Elena: No. Stefan: I thought she was the one. Damon: She's not the one. Caroline: It was the blond one.
Audience: *prepares pitchforks*
TVD, finally acknowledging Tyler, decides to go Teen Wolf and broadcast Twitter hashtags during episodes. Namely, #TheWorst whenever Tyler is on screen. Twitter explodes. Depressed, Tyler snaps his own neck. Liv, inconsolable, cries a river. To dry off her tears, she takes off her blouse and uses it as a hankie. She bounces around a bit, too... out of sadness.
Both having been fired from their jobs for gross incompetence, Jo and Alaric are hiding out at a motel on Miller Road, playing doctor (or other cliche). Whenever texted, they reply "Still looking for that artifact to stop the merge!"
Bonnie and Kai are... bewitching. (Haha, that was terrible).
Back at the pancake house, Mama Salvatore walks in, saying: "Has anybody seen my sons? Since everybody knows blood is merely a poor substitute for pancakes, I thought they might be here. One has bouffant hair and a martyr complex, the other twitchy eyes and insecurity issues. I abandoned them thinking they are the worst, but now that I realize Tyler is actually the worst, I've decided to come back".
Tyler, now dead: ...so mean.
Mama Salvatore: Also, for no raisin, I now have the power to turn one of you 4 human and it'll be Elena. Won't that be fun, eh?
OK Sorry Misunderstood so you are thinking both Damon and Enzo are bastard children? I think that is a bit unlikely. But OK. JP said Enzo is fiercely loyal - like a soldier in battle - never leave a comrade behind - but I agree I do hope there is more to his revenge storyline then just out of loyalty for Damon.
Yes,only loyalty for his friend doesn't make sense to me either.There has to be some other reason that is making enzo behave in such ridiculous fashion!
Really? Then I'm going to be disappointed. I also assume young Damon will also be in the flashbacks. I want to see a teenage actor play Damon at 17 years of age and see if he can convince me he's Damon!
OK I guess we will agree to disagree because I see things happening differently. I see Elena choosing Damon because she is in Love with Him. This is a show about vampires and Yes, they have all done bad things. Pointing out just Damon's flaws w/o mentioning all the others is a bit disingenuous. Any human would change after turning into a vampire for the simple fact that humans are now a food source - which does not go well for humans. As far as Elena's love life - I do not see where that has changed. I believe she was already outgrowing her relationship with Stefan as a human if not, she would have never let Damon kiss her.
With regard to the following events here is how I see them occurring: 1) Step 1 S4 Elena gets her Humanity Back and Officially chooses Damon - In her speech at that moment she confirms it "Might" be the worst decision she makes but she is still choosing Damon 2) Step 2 S5 Elena is now with Damon and has the summer of her dreams - she confirms they are Happy. During the Rain Kiss, Elena asks Damon to Promise her they will be together "Forever" 3) Step 3 Damon Dies at the End of S5 - Elena is devastated and turns to drugs 4) Step 4 - S6 Elena has Alaric remove her Happy Memories of Damon but she still finds her way back to him. She even confirms from the moment she chose him in S4 by the fireplace that being with Him was NOT a MISTAKE 5) Step 5 - S6 - Elena confirms Human, Vampire or NO Memories Elena would still choose Damon and she tells Damon that if the past (ie: Human Elena) is a place where they are NOT together then stop living in it. Because once again it Does Not Matter Human (not dark) or Vampire (dark) she wants to be with Damon.
Other - I agree both brothers have done bad things as vampires. It is disingenuous to call out all of Damon's sins w/o calling out Stefan's. Human, Elena forgave Stefan during his days as a ripper (remember all the names on the wall in Chicago), for killing an entire village of women and children, killing Andy Star etc.... As a Vampire Elena admits she has killed humans and even Caroline killed innocent humans when she first turned. So Yes, it is a show about vampires they are all dark and have done bad things. But both brothers have redeeming qualities and we are beginning to see more of Damon's this season.
I see Damon / Elena challenging each other instead of going along with what Elena wants all the time. Stefan did the opposite - he would always go along with Elena's wishes - in fact Elena told him so during the Original's Ball and Matt confirmed it in the remaining episodes of S3.
Elena's actions and words do in fact match. If not, once again she would be with Stefan and not Damon at this point.
Thats the thing .My original post was referring to someone who asked me why I stated my opinion of the promo.I said that Damon has always been that way so it wouldnt be ooc for him to be harsh .We never touched on Stefan and yes both brothers have done bad things Im not going to discount what Stefan did but the topic ws Damon.And we will disagree because it was stated that he does challenge her but it is never shown that why I stated word and actions do not collide for Elena.Damon makes all the decisions.Case in point when he told her she doesnt get to make decisions anymore ,he told her he would break her arm ,he makes decisions and because he is the" older" brother they have to go along with it.The relationship is bad ,the actors have said it,the writers have said it and I think they are doing it to show the difference between her relationship with Stefan and Damon.As stated by the writers,Elena turning to a vampire was always planned however during Season 2 when Damon "killed" Jeremy because Elena told him it will always be Stefan, the Delena shippers were on Damons' side saying poor Damon and how bad Elena is for rejecting him so they capitalised on it.That said ,different views allow for discussion as we are not the same and we interpret things our own way.We will just have to wait and see how the writers play it out.It could be that she will stay with Damon until the end or she will turn human and go back with Stefan or she will turn human and choose herself.I really dont think the parallels between the two relationships are being done blindly.Until next time.
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Can somebody please tell what Damon said to Stefan? I didn´t understand that very well. Thank you :)
ReplyDeleteWHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!!!!!
ReplyDelete"All love is not true love. She's not the one"
ReplyDeleteBut i wouldn't trust the edit: Damon was all for Steroline few episodes ago, there's no reason for him to discourage Stefan.
I think he said: "What is she isn't the one?"
ReplyDeleteBut I'm not sure.
I assume JP cut this shipper preview together. ^_^
ReplyDeleteWill be interesting to see how they'll end this chapter!
Hoping for B's bige return in the closing moments.
yeah he was wasn't he? so what could it be?
ReplyDeletei think she DOES come back in this episode i think i saw it confirmed somewhere
ReplyDeleteThey said she will comeback by the end of this arc but I'm afraid they'll push it for the next ep.
ReplyDeleteDont trust the promo. Australian promo always sucks... At least if it comes to tvd, just watched the other promos... Then you will understand.
ReplyDelete"She's not the one" is probably out of context.
ReplyDeleteAnd I don't think Elena will mind that Caroline kissed Stefan. It will be weird but she won't have anything against it
WTF caroline! your mom just died and your all about that kiss no wonder though since you didn´t care to be there for her on her death bed.
ReplyDeleteThank you :)
ReplyDeletePure manipulation....
ReplyDeleteI ship them so i'm biaised but if you want an explanation anyway: there's few speculations already about this conversation. See this link:
ReplyDeletehttp://niemandniemandthings.tumblr.com/post/111177429064/okay-i-watched-it-thanks-to-the-uploader-i-do
This ttheories seem to me pretty interesting.
To sum up, it would be the continuation of the conversation that Stefan had with Lexi in 4x22 about having multiple one true love.
He's in doubt, doesn't know if he could love someone as strongly as he loved Elena and seeking Damon to get comfort and assurance.
But Damon being totally devoted to Elena might have a hard time to help him: because he can't consider a life with someone else than Elena, even though he must be relieved that his brother has moved on and approves a romance with Caroline.
The dialogue would also create more drama for Caroline: she would overheard this conversation and we all know the complex of inferiority that she can have sometimes, especially when she's around Elena and based on the idea that she's rarely the one.
That or this is mashup of different scenes (because of the voice over) to mislead us.
In all cases, i don't believe that the writers are transforming the triangle in a quadrangle, so i expect a kind reaction from Elena.
so it's stefan being insecure? nothing to worry about regarding Damon and Elena?
ReplyDeleteAustralian promos are always manipulated!
ReplyDeleteAhh, now we're cooking with shipper fire!
ReplyDeleteIs Steroline not the one?
Is Delena not the one?
Seriously though, you're aholes, TVD.
Convo: Stefan- I thought Elena was the one
ReplyDeleteDamon- Shes not the one.
Thats the convo I believe it to be.
So you think Caroline didn't care to there for her mom on her death bed? I don't know how you could possibly believe that. Caroline was thinking about her mother all the time before Liz unexpectedly went into a coma and died. She told Stefan she wanted to make her mother's last hours "perfect" - not realistic but understandable since it's Caroline who always tries to control things, even uncontrollable things like her mom dieing. She was devastated and blamed herself for not being with her mom in her final conscious moments, for not getting to say goodbye to her. The world around you doesn't stop because someone you love is dieing.
ReplyDeleteDon't fall the confusing promo.TVD australian promos are always the worst,only shipper centric(99% delena centric).Delena & Steroline are both end-game no matter what the promos say.
ReplyDeleteThat would be a pretty brutal convo for the brothers to have at this point.
ReplyDeleteI hope Caroline is not asking for Elena's advice or approval regarding the kiss in this episode. I know they are best friends but Elena is the last person I would be having a conversation with regarding her affections about Stefan.
ReplyDeleteStefan has always been good with Elena and I'm sad that they are turning his beautiful friendship with Caroline into romance. Another bad decision by the writters.
ReplyDeleteWell damon has always been brutal..lol
ReplyDeleteBased on the ratings, on sure Bonnie will be back soon!!!
ReplyDeletePreach!!!
ReplyDelete"Was" - yes. Now he's a hand holding kitten. But then again, who knows?
ReplyDeleteHaha, for a non-shipper, you do a pretty convincing job otherwise. Let the people have some hope, man! Maybe this is the episode where Stelena finally get back together?
ReplyDeleteHer reaction might actually be a manipulation - it's hard to say whether it's a continuous scene.
ReplyDeleteI think if Ian does leave the show after this season Stelena could be endgame and they could even make her human again.
ReplyDeletelol....A leopard doesnt change its spots.Once he is in Elenas' panties...yes he is all lovey dovey but once she says bye bye ...hes "Oh Im so misunderstood...nobody loves me..lol.Ask Aaron or Jeremy how they fared...lol
ReplyDeleteI admire you for your ability to hold on to hope that A) she'd ever say bye, B) he'd go dark again over it.
ReplyDeleteI only wish for some dickish humour from time to time, now. And that seems like a pipe dream already.
I actually doubt that there will be a romantic endgame. I think Defan will be endgame
ReplyDeleteI'm part of the minority that prefers Stefan and Caroline as friends
ReplyDeleteIm holding out hope for?And she has said goodbye to him already.Im more of a storyline person and I love/loved the supernatural aspect of the show.I dont care for Damon cause he is a d%ck and he is childish.Thats abt it for me.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how much of a minority that is. There seems to be a bitter debate raging - not Delena/Stelena levels of bitter, but still, pretty bitter.
ReplyDeleteIf we go by ratings then i´d say its the majority that dosen´t care for it
ReplyDeleteThe hope for the end of Delena? That seemed to me to be the gist of your post. As in "she has said goodbye to him already"? They seem more "on" than ever.
ReplyDeleteI wish he'd go dick and childish again. I'd wish for some torture scenes too, but I'm being realistic here.
You're not the minority, according to the numbers.
ReplyDeletePlease writers, let this chapter will be 100% on Liz's funeral and mourning of a daughter, and not on the approval of Steroline by Delena
ReplyDeleteWell.,nowhere in my post did I state such I was mainly referring to Damon and what d&ck he is but since you did go there ..yes..I would love to see the end of Delena as they clearly do not work as stated by the writers and if you go on any website ,TB ,TV line etc ,I am not alon ein my thinking.Either...have them work it out and stay together or break them up completely.I dont like the pairing ..I will admit but once you are watching a show you watch what the writers are telling.They are on now yes...good for them,however I sense they will be over soon.No relationships on show last.
ReplyDeleteWe don't seem to be communicating here - I'm totally for more Delena drama and Damon to be more of a dick again. It's just that as of the latest episodes, the show seems to be having them working out well together and Damon seems a tame kitten.
ReplyDeleteHence, I'm totally confused by your original post - "She's not the one" is supposed to be Damon about Elena for him? I first thought it meant Elena for Stefan.
Still, I hope the show works out the way you want...? I just want more killing, damnit.
Nope.I said in my original post that Damon was telling Stefan that Elena was not the one.Stefan says (at least to my interpretation) that he always thought that Elena was the one which was also stated at the end of S4 when Elena chose to be with Damon and Stefan left ,he and Lexie had a convo in the car where he asked Lexi 'What if she was the one " and Lexi responded "She was".Nothing to do with Delena .I dont think the convo is abt those two as you stated they are together with less angst now.The writers stated that they are in their honeymoon phase so no angst just enjoying each other.Yes he is tame now ,he is always tame when he gets/has the girl but notice, when he came back from the other side and was in Elenas' room and turned down the photo of Caroline ,Elena and Stefan together ,thats him acting out because Elena erased the memories of him and only had bad memories.Let her decide to pay attention to Stefan again ,see what he does,thus my leopard comment.Actually I want more killing as well,more supernatural ,more flowing and "make-sense " storytelling.The writers stated that they knew from the end of S2 how they were going to end the series its just that it has taken longer than they thought to reach there.So maybe we will both end up getting what we want...lol
ReplyDeleteWell when they can't think of some other storyline, and don't want to end the show at a high place, they start doing stuff like that to make more material (and i find it boring really, this entire season)
ReplyDeletecan't even imagine what they will do next season, maybe Steroline and Delena will break up and Stefan will go back with Elena and Caroline and Damon, o wait maybe a triangle with Bonnie! - sorry i just really loved the show but they totally ruined it.(for me)
was Liz in the service?
ReplyDeleteI wonder why Damon is saying "She's not the one." I have a feeling there are going to be some pissed - off shippers after this episode airs. I'm just not sure if it'll be Steroline or Delena shippers. Could be both, considering Elena's reaction to Caroline's confession. If Elena still has feelings for Stefan, which she clearly does, then Elena isn't the one for Damon. That opens the door for Stelena discussion during the hiatus, but people need to ask themselves if Elena really belongs with either brother. I've been saying for over a year that this love triangle can't possibly end with all three of them being happy together as friends. Maybe people who feel the need to ship should ship Damon and Elena with other characters.
ReplyDeleteThe very odd assumption you're making is that people stop being friends when they become lovers, and that having a beautiful friendship doesn't translate to having a beautiful relationship.
ReplyDeleteAs someone who has had a personal requirement that I don't date anyone unless we've been friends for a while first, those assumptions are absolute nonsense.
And no, Stefan and Elena the HUMAN were good together. Stefan and Elena the VAMPIRE was disastrous. Stelena shippers need to accept that Human Elena and Vampire Elena are not the same people. If Elena became human again, then maybe, but let's be realistic here. She broke Stefan's trust in every way imaginable, spent the last few years making it very clear she feels like Stefan was just a stepping stone to Damon, and made it very clear she doesn't see him that way anymore.
The bad thing about Stelena shippers is that they think of Stelena as one person, and not as a relationship that consists of two people. If Stefan got back with Elena, he would have absolutely zero trust that she is with him because she loves him the most, because everything she's said and done in the past has shown that's bullshit. Stefan deserves better than what Elena can offer him. Kai was brutally honest about how much Elena had changed since becoming a vampire and hooking up with Damon.
Elena's reactions are always teased as shocking or revealing about her feelings but then turn out to mean nothing at all in regards to Damon.
ReplyDeleteI'm seriously at a loss now as to what the writers could throw against Delena as an obstacle/end? The cure? I'm not seeing how that could work out but... eh.
I did as well. Their friendship has been ruined for me though this season.
ReplyDeleteTrue.My comment stands as well.Damon has always been brutal always showing up Stefan.He teases him beyond repair and all Stefan says is "I just wanted my brother".(paraphrased).This talk to me is long in coming because it is like the elephant in the room for the two brothers.Elena chose Damon ,Stefan leaves and Delena have the "summer of their lives" without Damon not thinking once about his brother.Damon got the girl so Stefan had to deal it however he chose.Stefan has decided to move on because he prefers to see his bother happy and Elena is also the one who used to bring out his humanity which Stefan was lobbying for a long time for.Now she just absolves anything he does and they work it out (literally..lol).Note as well that Elena and Stefan said to each other that they will always love each other and as much as Stefan wants to move on Stefan still has residual feelings for Elena.He may not be in love with her but they shared a special time together.Now..knowing the writers,they will go back and state that whilst Stelena were togther that Stefan had feelings for Caroline.That would be hialrious to me but I dont put it past the writers.I want for the ship Defan to end up together(not romatically) ,Elena will be human again,I sense it.
ReplyDeleteWoah tvd writers!Bravo...You're still pushing that incest ship Sterocest at liz's funeral service.You are all disgusting.
ReplyDeleteThis promo just underlines how Steroline and Delena are the shows flagships. There seems to be nothing else going on. Caroline's mom just died and they're turing it into more steroline angst.
ReplyDeleteIt's not what her reaction meant, it's that she had one at all. She's been uncomfortable with Caroline's feelings for Stefan from the start, but she pretended not to have a problem the same way she convinced herself that she didn't have feelings for Damon when she was human. She knew it was wrong, so she repeatedly denied it. Then the sire bond caused so many problems that Elena just didn't feel right choosing Stefan. That didn't mean she didn't love him, although she will undoubtedly try to convince herself and everyone else that she doesn't anyway.
ReplyDeleteI can think of two ways to end this fiasco:
1) Elena's compulsion is broken, leaving her with a new perspective about the suffering she went through because of her love for Damon.
2) Elena is put in a human body at the end of the series, toning down her feelings for both brothers to the point that she understands it's time for her to move on. One thing that Elena discussed with Alaric was that being a vampire makes her emotions too strong for her to cope with in healthy ways. It's already been established that the Cure doesn't work out, so I can't see the writers revisiting that.
Wait, what? I thought you were a Kai/Elena fan!
ReplyDeleteI'm totally not seeing what you're seeing right now. Elena seemed to be okay with Steroline several times before, she seemed to be over Stefan, and given what we've been shown, breaking the compulsion should make her love Damon more, not less. I never saw any denial in her over Steroline.
But then again, I usually miss the more subtle romance hints dropped by the show, so I guess, why not?
How could Elena be put in a human body though? Whose body?
Ohhh, ok. But how would that work out for Stelena fans (I mean your original convo idea)? Stefan says he thought she (Elena) was the one, Damon say she wasn't - and then what?
ReplyDeleteJust jump on the good ship Bonkai and let the insanity lead the way!
ReplyDeleteNope,that ship has sailed a long time ago.False hope is a dangerous thing and i know that from experience.
ReplyDeleteEven if ian moves out,i don't see stefan going back to elena ever again.I'm sorry.
ReplyDeleteWell i wouldn't be so sure about that, i think the promo draws parallels between Damon-Elena and Stefan-Caroline. I think Stefan is scared because he deoesn't want to hurt Caroline, obviously he has some feeling towards her but can he love her like he loved Elena? And maybe that's why Damon says "Not all love is True Love, and if she is not the one..."
ReplyDeleteObviously is just a promo and like we all know especially non-american promos are always misleading so it's all just theory at this point.
I'm with you my friend.
ReplyDeletelike what?
ReplyDeleteI saw you advocating Jalaric wedding on another thread - don't talk to me about false hope!
ReplyDeleteisn't insecure the same as scared? LOL
ReplyDeleteThanks DP - not sure why it is so difficult for individuals to see what is right in front of them. What Caroline was doing for her Mom was a beautiful thing she was trying to be helpful. She already felt bad for almost killing her prematurely - I can see if things had turned out differently Liz would have had a very peaceful death at the family cabin with her daughter by her side. But the writers decided to take a different route with this storyline and poor Liz never made it to the cabin. I am just glad Caroline was able to live in Liz's memories - we rarely get to see these human moments on TVD. Fans need to stop dumping on Caroline simply because she was with Stefan - they are missing the beautiful character development going on
ReplyDeleteThat some pebbles were thrown onto the previously calm shipping waters?
ReplyDeleteWill they/won't they is back on.
The next arc concentrates on these things-Mama salvatore's return and how the brothers will affected by it,Enzo's backstory,Kai's semi-redemption arc,Bonnie's bad-ass journey,Delena melodrama & Steroline relationship struggle through hard times and getting stronger in the process.
ReplyDeleteI don't see any supernatural element any time soon!
I didn't advocate it.I would prefer to see them getting wed instead of delena any day.I'd be okay if jo dies but i don't want alaric to suffer anymore on the romance department.
ReplyDeleteWell to me him saying that is to get the idea of him and Elena reuniting and to try something with Caroline.He has been pushing the idea to Stefan since the beginning of the season.Stelena fans I think ,yes they will always love Stefan and Elena together and if they do get back together ..yippee...if not then so be it.I am not sure if they will but the way how the writers have trampled over the relationship in this season it doesnt appear that way.I think she will be human again and she will make a choice again.I think that choice will be herself.
ReplyDeleteTVD have been heading in 1 direction with both Caroline /Stefan and Damon / Elena's relationships for some time - I do not expect any major changes in direction with these couples. They have always been described as slow burn - long haul.
ReplyDeletei guess, but i wasn't responding to the insecure part but to the Damon-Elena part.
ReplyDeleteI am so on-board with BonKai - Bonnie always had a thing for Warlock's.
ReplyDeleteBonkai,you must be joking!
ReplyDeleteShe will be the one to bring him once and for all!
Here. Here.
ReplyDeletedon't be so sure about that xD
ReplyDeletei think next time s gonna be Elena going back to Stefan.
ReplyDeleteThen let's agree to agree to propagate Jalaric instead of Delena wedding - what a plot twist that would be!
ReplyDeleteEven if that happens,i want stefan to dump her sorry ass.Pardon my language and i hate her way too much to see her with stefan.Can't help it.
ReplyDeleteDidn't we already see Enzo's backstory? Can't wait for Mama Salvatore, it's gonna be very interesting.
ReplyDeleteBut why would she?
ReplyDeletehaha i unerstand your position, i just think that's what is going to happen by the end of the show. Call it a gut feeling.
ReplyDeleteI don't know, there's still time untile the end of the show to create one.
ReplyDeleteI like how Stefan begins by saying it is not the "Final Moments" it is about all those Moments that lead up to them - so the way I look at it - it is all about those special / caring / trusting / honest moments that lead up to Stefan / Caroline kiss that got them to this point in their relationship. Same can be said for Damon / Elena - Both Caroline and Stefan have both commented to Elena that Damon is always there for her through thick and thin - Same is true for Steroline - So if you take into account the journey these 4 individuals have had together since S1 then they are exactly where they need to be.
ReplyDeleteNot the augustine arc,His personal life before all that experimentation.Julie said they'll explore why he is bending over backwards to destroy stefan;s life.She said it's not petty jealousy,something more and that'll be revealed soon.
ReplyDeleteI will only be happy if she dies horribly in the series finale.
ReplyDeleteGah! You were completely unhelpful in the crazy theory department.
ReplyDeleteHow about no wedding,there's enough melodrama as it is!
ReplyDeleteDidn't a wise women once say - Love/Hate such a fine line? Coming from a 500+ year old vampire - I believe she knows what she is talking about.
ReplyDeleteI'm not pro or against Stefan/Elena - though if pushed to choose a side at this point I'd have to probably say against. But I did want to bring up one thing about their relationship.
ReplyDeleteTVD has said time and time again that becoming a vampire doesn't change who you are. It simply amplifies it. So while I agree that Vamp Elena and Stefan didn't seem to work, I don't think it was actually about her being a vampire. I think it was about how she sees herself as a vampire and why she thinks Stefan fell in love with her in the first place. I think the same thing can be said of Stefan. He put a lot of emphasis on getting Elena the cure, but it wasn't just because she had become this other person, but because he is FILLED with self loathing. Without them both dealing with these issues of guilt and self worth they will never be able to figure out if what they had/could have is real at all.
Of course I don't see that happening.
Oh ok, thanks for the info, but i still think its a useless story.
ReplyDeleteIf this happens,i'll stake myself!LOL!
ReplyDeleteHow about a Red Wedding? Potential victims - Tyler, Elena, Enzo...
ReplyDeletevery painfully too LOL
ReplyDeleteBonnie & Kai'd as a team up, romance or not, would almost make up for leaving her out of half the season.
ReplyDeleteok now i'm confused so we DON'T have to worry about Damon and Elena?
ReplyDeleteI think it's tied somehow to the mama salvatore storyline.Remember both mama salvatore & enzo suffered from the same disease before dying-Consumption?That's way to much coincidence for TVD.This show doesn't do subtle!
ReplyDeletewhoa long callback LOL, but wasn't there just one: Luka
ReplyDeleteThey had that fling going on for two hot seconds!
ReplyDeleteis consumption hereditary?
ReplyDeleteso no worrying for Damon and Elena?
ReplyDeletedid they even kiss? LOL before he got all burnt up HA!
ReplyDeleteGenetics plays no role in the transmission
ReplyDeleteand acquisition of TB. TB is not a hereditary disease; however, members of the same family may be infected. The infection is transmitted from person to person through air.
hehe soryy Its just TVD didn't always provided good reasons for justifying the actions a character takes.
ReplyDeleteProf Shadypants also counts, in a way.
ReplyDeleteLOL!Who knows,i knew he was going to bite it within 2-3 episodes anyway when he 1st appeared,so didn't pay attention TBH!
ReplyDeletehaha!
ReplyDeleteoh that might be interesting.
ReplyDeleteso TVD went PLL crap!!!!
ReplyDeleteThat "she's not the one" line is just Damon worrying about Elena changing her mind again. Same with the "not all love it true love" or whatever. You know Damon can't experience more than a second of happiness without questioning it. I'm sure he's just worried about "hurting her" or some nonsense.
ReplyDeleteNow bring on Bonnie and Kai'd! BTW - Is this the ep Ian directed?
Man,i'm just hoping for matt-enzo hookup at this point to stop that asinine storyline regarding sarah!
ReplyDeleteoh ok then no i don't Enzo's a Salavatore
ReplyDeleteI dont think so for now, but you're gonna have to soon if things go the way i think.
ReplyDeleteNo surprise here!
ReplyDeletewhich are?
ReplyDeleteElena questioning who she is and who she wants to be.
ReplyDeleteThis one or the next one.
ReplyDeleteSo - Damon dumps Elena, take 2. How many takers?
why?
ReplyDeleteMy theory-Damon and enzo shares the same mother,damon & stefan shares the same father.
ReplyDeleteEnzo isn't going after damon coz he doesn't consider him a salvatore at all,that's why he didn't mind much when he learned damon killed the love of his life-maggie but went after stefan when he provoked him first by killing ivy for no reason.
I know it's a absurd theory but the writers did say their mother has a deep secret,What if this is it?
Both caters to the same type of audience-Horny pre-teen and teen girl.
ReplyDeleteHmm, I saw pictures of a "rave" from the one he directed and I can't imagine there would be a rave in the same episode as the funeral... then again...
ReplyDeleteI really hope they don't cause anymore friction between Delena, I'm not onboard but I would rather see them eating pancakes every episode then deal with anymore of their "will they won't they".
When was the last time some even got their neck snapped?
As much as I'm hating the Enzo storyline at least he is somewhat acting like a vampire.
NO!!!
ReplyDeleteThis episode is directed by julie.Next one is by ian.
ReplyDeletehmm i weirdly like that
ReplyDeleteElena on her own growing into a strong independant woman-I would like that very much!
ReplyDeleteyep well he's a two-time rapist, that helps
ReplyDeleteWait wait if I'm making a wish list I can do better than that.
ReplyDeleteAs I've mentioned before, Bonnie comes back doesn't call or text anyone. She's at the funeral, but in the back and unnoticed. She runs into Kai while buying beer at the gas station yada yada yada, they burn "SCREW YOU MF" into the football field. It's the beginning of a violent, zero f#ks given relationship.
Matt remembers that there is such a thing as vervain, he drinks a ton, goads Enzo into biting him removes his daylight ring (and clothes nothing wrong with us getting a little show as he burns) and kicks him out of the bar. He and Sarah Salvatore roast marshmellows over his burning corpse. She takes pictures. They tag them #enzoyousucked #enzoyougotburned #bestdayever
Delena eat pancakes, Damon briefly thinks about how much better Bonnie was at the crossword.
Alaric is fired for missing like most of the semester and not submitting any grades and begins working at the bar. Someone tips him with a coin that turns out to be a magical relic. Hijinks, mayhem and murder with him and Jo ensue.
Tyler looks in the mirror realizes he's the worst.
Liv just doesn't ever appear on the show again, no explanation, just gone.
I like it - Brilliant! Except Liv disappears and April appears - no explanation looking for Jer.
ReplyDeleteNope. :-)
ReplyDeleteHow old is Enzo? Could he be Damon's father? That would just be too weird - Right? Also, wasn't Enzo and Stefan at War around the same time? How did they never meet - I believe they were both vampires at the time.
ReplyDeleteRight - I have never seen this site post comments so quickly over a promo.
ReplyDeleteIs Damon saying she is "Not the One" or "What if She is Not the One"?
ReplyDeleteAs far as Elena's response it could be read 2 different ways - Surprise Happy for Them or Surprise - What are you Thinking. Honestly, I believe Elena only wants what is best for Caroline and Stefan. Elena was OK when Caroline started dating Matt and I believe she will respond similar if Caroline decides to start dating Stefan.
I agree - Elena appears to support Caroline and Stefan's relationship. Also, not sure Elena becoming human would really change anything with her relationship with the Salvatore brothers.
ReplyDeleteBut Elena said it does not matter - Human, Vampire, Memories or Not - it does not matter she always finds her way back to Damon.
ReplyDeleteAgree - she was very supportive when Caroline dated Matt.
ReplyDeleteI think you raise a very good point - Lexi told Stefan one time that Elena would always be "the one"/ epic love - but being a vampire you can actually have more than One Epic Love - Stefan being Stefan is trying to come to terms with that - it was easy to fall in Love with Elena but with Caroline they were friends first - and I believe he is at a cross-roads deciding to either go for it or go back to just being friends. I think it is about time he pick back up his journal and figure it all out. Lexi knew Stefan better then anyone and I trust her judgement - she believed in Steroline and so do I.
ReplyDelete"I believe he is at a cross-roads deciding to either go for it or go back to just being friends."
ReplyDeleteEssentially, yes.
jackson ! long time ! haha - well.. after going NUTS over this stupid promo. Ive decided that its damon talking about either stelena or katherine... elena n damon seem to be in a good place right now..donno y he wud suddenly question it . . but stefan's moronic face kinda pisses me off... is he like regretting the kiss or something ?? fuck I'm gonna be mad if he takes a step back.. aarrgghh !
ReplyDeleteoh god i can't take another round of stelena hope !!! donno why elena had to go erase her memories. Why can't she get davina to undo the compulsion. Or KAI. if davina can do it, then Kai can too
ReplyDeleteDo you know what the word "incest" means? who in her family was she fucking? the corpse of her mother?
ReplyDeletehaha i like it. But instead of liv disappearing, can we see her die ? :D and can we have tyler leaving MF and never coming back ? :D
ReplyDeletehmmm this theory at least would put enzo's psycho actions in perspective. Coz honestly, its getting too stupid too fast !
ReplyDeleteunless she is secretly questioning her decision (damon).. i mean, how will she react when she hears damon killed a pregnant woman ?? Wont that raise a lot of doubts regarding why she would want to be with someone who's capable of such heinous things... i mean, she dsnt have her good damon memories guys.. doubt is only natural. AND she remembers her relationship with stefan to boot.. what if she thinks stefans the one who can bring her human self back to the surface? this is tvd after all.. caroline-stefan-elena love triangle ?
ReplyDeletedsnt matter if they 'breakup' at the end of the episode. they will find their way back to each other.
ReplyDeleteStefan couldn't love elena the vampire. that was quite evident. In a conversation between damon and stefan, D asks S - are u doing this for her or coz you can't love her lk this, n he says, she is not supposed to be this person n D says I'm doing this for you not her, i can love her either ways. ---- it was evident that stefan could not fully accept vampire elena. i know tvd fans will always say that stefan loved elena till the end and even wen she was with damon, but this episode really showed the cracks in stelena. if it was indeed TRUE LOVE, stefan wouldn't hv struggled so much with loving vamp elena.
ReplyDeletetalk about awkward ! ! !
ReplyDeleteelena strong independent woman - bahahahahahhaha ! man, i really needed that laugh ! thanks !
ReplyDeleteI'm with u !!! it should be an EPIC DUMP !
ReplyDeletealso there is some speculation that lexi will appear in flashbacks.. has anyone heard anything about it ??
ReplyDeleteLOL, I was laughing as I was typing it, but I didn't add in my Bwahahahaha's as not to offend anyone. ;)
ReplyDeleteMy point is not that couldn't love her but why? And the reason is because he hates himself. He hates "The Ripper' part of himself and seeing someone he thought of as innocent and pure changed into the monster he believes himself to be was too much for him. He didn't try to love her as a vampire till it was already too late.
ReplyDeleteso are you saying that if caroline switches off her humanity, he would not be able to love her either ?
ReplyDeleteooh look who's decided to be polite !!!! not a good color on u my friend :P :P :P
ReplyDeletefor some reason I'm pissed off at stefan. go figure !!
ReplyDeletei mean, is it really really necessary for him to go to damon for advice? is it ? is it? i mean he had all the time in the world to figure out his feelings for her.. she wasn't pushing for anything. He was the one being all flirty,-- take the phone from my very tight jean pocket wen i can just hold the boxes with one hand n get the phone coz I'm a vampire, tucking her hair behind her ears.. and he was the one who bloody leaned in to kiss her. dint he know going into the kiss what he was getting into? dint he? dint he? Stefan salvatore the guy who weighs out everything in his mind before acting dint know the ramifications of that kiss? C'mon !!!!!! C"MON !!
aarrgghh i guess I'm not as ok as i thought i was.
I think the cure would work on Elena.
ReplyDeleteKatherine was turned 500 years ago so time was catching up on her after she took the cure, but with Elena that shouldn't happen, she is not that old.
Damon's Father!?!
ReplyDeleteLook if you remember way too early in season 1,giuseppe always loved stefan much more and pretty much ignored damon.(Watch the Flashback scenes)-i might be a nice parralel to mikael in TO when he learned klaus was not his own blood.Maybe that happened in case of Mama salvatore too.She had an affair outside her marriage and enzo was the result.She gave him away coz either she was too ashamed or her husband forced her to do it.How she's still alive,i don't know but being a vampire makes sense at this point.
The other theory is-Stefan killed someone dear of enzo in long past when stefan might not remember in his ripper phase(around 1915-20).Enzo was locked up for approx.70 years,so the timeline fits.When enzo heard his name from damon's name,he didn't connect the dots however when he met him in mystic falls,he remembered him fast but decided to keep mum.He was determined to drive a wedge between the brothers slowly so that stefan also gets robbed of the one thing he loves most-His brother.This theory sounds more likely.
What do you think-Like any of these theories?It's pure speculation at this point.
ok.... before I was all happy because I said "yay Steroline lives" and now nooooooo! I guess Klarone is meant to be....
ReplyDeleteyou got a point. Damn Delena might not be endgame... :(
ReplyDeletewhy klaroline ? i think that ship sank.. steroline is my last hope for caroline's happy ending. hope stefan dsnt over think it n ruin it.
ReplyDeleteGlad to know
ReplyDeleteKlaus can always be back to her. But now I think Stelena can happen again too & bye Delena. Damon might lose Elena because Stefan might go back to her and Elena will question who is the one for her again. Damon might destroy his own relationship & love of his life because of his own words :'(
ReplyDeleteWhy Damon???
ok even if delena ends and even if elena wants a second chance with stefan, i just don't see stefan let her back in. I just can't see it happening. He has moved on. for good. I'm talking irrespective of delena/steferine/steroline. even if elena n stefan are then last 2 vamps in mystic falls - he still wouldn't go back to her. thats how strongly i feel about the sinking of the stelena ship
ReplyDeleteso you still think Delena can be endgame?
ReplyDeleteOkay.Notice her words and actions never match.Why is it that she only had bad memories of Damon,she despised him at the beginning ,couldnt believe that she loved him and is all over him now?Why is she acting surprised that she was on her way to Stefan at the end of S3?Everything so far that has been fed to her has been that she was in love with Damon.I know the writers are all over the place and are rewriting their own history to tell new stories but I somehow sense that a big chunk of history has been removed .Anyhow ...yes she always finds her way back to Damon ...even when she doesnt...lol
ReplyDeleteNo, the cure is a dead story. It's already been revealed that no matter how young a vampire is, the cure will remain in the person's blood and prevent vampire blood from healing them. It also removes the option of becoming a vampire again. The cure is more like a virus to end the problem of vampirism. That's why the Hunters were after it as their mission. There's no reason to believe that the cure will ever be brought up or used again, except maybe as a weapon. That being said, what's wrong with Elena being human? The sources of her problems are that she's both a vampire and a doppelganger. I think she'd be better off being neither of those things.
ReplyDeletewith just one more season left in tvd, i don't see how they can introduce new love interests for damon and elena and make that ship float ! So either delena is endgame or both remain single
ReplyDeleteIt's amazing how that one scene in the preview - Stefan and Damon talking - still has US talking! But the scene is not continuous; there's a break in it. What we're hearing, or think we're hearing, is not a complete conversation. The words are out of context and trying to make sense of them is impossible. My brain is tired. I'm waiting until Thursday.
ReplyDeleteJust to throw 1 more crazy theory out there - So these events are broken up and can mean anything - since they are broken my guess they are misleading. My Theory - What if the line by Damon at the funeral "Not all Love is True Love Brother" - is in reference to their mother and Damon questioning her love for him? Their father was very hard on Damon and may have planted the seed of doubt. Trying to put things into context at this moment - Damon is either about to give the eulogy or has just delivered it - Liz gave Damon a 2nd chance since he did not deliver it at his Mom's funeral so I wonder if this is where the conversation begins with their mother and Damon / Stefan begin to head down memory lane - ie Flashback? It just seems a bit Odd that Stefan would be talking to Damon about his relationship with Caroline at the Funeral - I can see maybe when they get home, it just seems misplaced if it is about Steroline. Or Damon could be talking about his love for Liz - Again could mean any # of things.
ReplyDeleteI think the next logical step would be for Kai to offer to break the compulsion. That might be where the "proposition" comes in. I don't know why some people think that Damon will propose to Elena. Vampires don't get married unless there's a ritual that applies to them, which isn't the case with Damon and Elena. I also can't see Damon as the marrying kind. He can clean up nice for a friend's funeral, but a groom tuxedo at a wedding is getting carried away.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with compulsion is that breaking one still changes the feelings of the person who was compelled. Elena will remember loving Damon, but she'll also remember how she felt when she was compelled. She'll be able to look at her relationship with Damon from a different and possibly healthier perspective. This is probably the only reason why Kai might agree or offer to break the compulsion. He hates Damon too much to give him his girlfriend back without consequences. I don't think there will be anymore push and pull between Damon and Elena. The writers will most likely leave that behind in Season 5. When Delena ends, it'll be over. There might be a short time in this season or the next where Stefan and Elena wonder if they're "the one" for each other, but I don't know if they'll act on it. I think we're close to the point where Elena ends up alone after going through both brothers. If it happens this week instead of next season, Caroline might not be the only one to have some kind of downward spiral. Now that contracts and the show have been renewed for the final season, the love triangle that started the show can be completely dissolved at any time. The only remaining question will be whether all of these friends can stay in one town and co-exist peacefully. Friendships as well as relationships will need to be worked out while new threats keep coming into Mystic Falls and causing more disruption.
Their was a recent article about Enzo in the International business times - not much other then Enzo is fiercely loyal to Damon and blames Stefan for not rescuing him & being a better brother also we really don't know exactly how old Enzo is but we are about to learn his history here shortly - Not sure about the theories above - If Enzo was a bastard child why did Damon's father hate Damon so much? Why not Stefan? Honestly, I think Enzo's storyline is really meant to unravel the true story between these brothers. He will be exposing deep honest feelings between them that were never spoken.
ReplyDeleteBut for someone who never wants to be a vampire again the cure wouldn't be that bad. But I guess Elena wants to spend eternity with Damon .. or at least she wanted to before her memories were gone.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing against human Elena but i still prefer her as a vampire. I can't even tell you why ..
As i said,I think damon and enzo shares the same mother,not the same father.By that definition,damon is also a bastard child along with enzo.Enzo,he could give away but damon,he had to tolerate coz he probably learned about him pretty late.
ReplyDeleteExposing deep honest feelings between brothers doesn't do anything to reveal enzo's reason to hate stefan so much.Julie has confirmed we will get to know the real reason why enzo hates stefan so much,whether that is connected to mama salvatore or not-that is pure speculation.
Not sure exactly how to respond and where you are coming from? Ric altered Elena's good/romantic memories of Damon as if they did not exist so all she had left were BAD memories of Damon. So Yes What she is Saying that even
ReplyDeletethough she has NO memories of their HAPPY times together somehow she still found her way back to him NOT Stefan but him...so yes she was surprised because the ODDS were stacked against them. She remembers Human Elena was in Love with Stefan at one time and Matt was taking her back to him so Why not find her way back to Stefan after Ric took away her memories of Damon? The ODDS were in their favor - She only remembers Damon as a Monster - Stefan is single - Why not pick up where her and Stefan left off? I think that is what the writers are trying to tell us that the Love between these 2 concurs all. Human Elena, Vampire Elena, No Happy Memories of Damon Elena - it does not matter she always seems to find her way back to the man she truly loves. Damon.
I like your theories. I truly hope they give us a good reason for this stupid revenge sl. I used to love Enzo and I still want to love him but he makes it very hard. It's kind of like loving a veeeery annoying dog. Everytime I see him doing something stupid I'm just like "NO!! STOP THAT ENZO!! BAD ENZO!!"
ReplyDeleteIt's frustrating ..
Whatever you're saying you can't tell me is probably something you're not alone in thinking about. If you have a private ship or something, believe me, there's nothing to be ashamed of in this fan base. Anything can happen on TVD or TO. As for Elena being an ordinary human, I'd consider that boring TBH. I'd rather see her as a traveler or witch, trying to figure out how to use magic and stuff. I don't mind her as a vampire, but I keep feeling that her biggest problem, the one that really destroyed her life, is that she's a doppelganger. I know that everyone loves Nina, but she's been talking like she's too old to play Elena for very much longer, and the writers and casting people have done a great job so far of replacing actors who couldn't remain part of the franchise.
ReplyDeleteAgree - Elena going back to Stefan at this point does not make sense. Her going off on her own w/o either brother to be successful she was already at that cross-roads and chose to give Damon another try. I still think Delena has a few more roadblocks to overcome (ie: Sarah's mother death) but I still believe they are the endgame. Also, marriage might be the key for Damon to feel that he is truly loved we will just have to wait and see - Rose & Trevor spent their immortal life together - Yes, they were not married but committed to each other still.
ReplyDeleteI feel you frustration.We are probably the few left who still likes enzo.
ReplyDeleteNo, I think by the end of Season 4 when Elena chose Damon, Stefan was starting to come around to the fact that becoming a vampire didn't completely "ruin" Elena. He was willing to be with her if she chose him.
ReplyDeleteWith Caroline, he really only got to know her as a vampire. She had already turned before they became close, so she has pretty much been the same person she's always been in his eyes. Despite my inability to 'ship them, I think their relationship is great and probably one of the few times Stefan has been able to see that becoming a vampire doesn't implicitly make you a monster.
I think Ian got a cool episode (#16) to direct because it has flashbacks with Stefan & Damon's mom. Apparently Liz' death brings up Damon's memories of his own mother's passing. He already told Liz that he wasn't with his mom much before she died, and after volunteering to write her eulogy he never even went to the funeral. I can't wait to find out the story behind that!
ReplyDeleteAfter Ep 14 I have to believe Damon thought of Liz like a mother, although I always wanted to see them get it on. Gross you say? No! Older women with younger men can be very hot. Besides, Damon was actually way older than Liz!
I think Elena has been slowly becoming more badass since the beginning of the season, and I agree that the damsel in distress thing is old. But Season 1-5 Elena wouldn't have dropped from a tree to feed off an unsuspecting human, and she definitely wouldn't have gotten herself loose in the high school and used a science lab to set Kai on fire. Elena of the past would have stayed chained up and waited for someone to save her. Then she would have complained about everything Kai did to her. Did you notice that the TVD Rehashes on Twitter have been phasing out any mention of Delena? They didn't mention the ship at all in the last one. It looks like both Damon and Elena might get their own stories soon. Elena seems to want to find humanity in Kai, and Sarah Salvatore's presence and reliving his mother's death will make Damon want to focus more on his family.
ReplyDeleteu know i honestly never thought about the mom angle.. u think damon is maybe saying their dad dint really love their mom ? coz theres nothing to suggest that damon/stefan dint love their mom. they think of her fondly..
ReplyDeleteyeah your right.. my only worry - stefan to lexi in s4 finale bat elena - 'she's the love of my life, i will go back to her in a heart-beat'.. thats something steroline has to overcome. not the mention the " you can either be friends or in love with someone, i don't think u can be both".... thats one belief that has to be trashed. . . . ooh boy
ReplyDeleteyeah i think after everything caroline has been through, if stefan starts to wonder if ELENA is the one, F&^k Care-bear is gonna loooossseee it !!
ReplyDeletei think Ian got a difficult one as his directorial debut. its not easy directing child actors... that too ones you are not familiar with.
ReplyDeleteI think she doesnt go after Stefan because if you remember in S4 she said that Stefan looked at her as monster and I think (just my opinion) that she think she deserves the bad in life thats why she chose Damon, which represents the dark side of her existence.I dont deny that Elena doesnt love Damon,she loves him.Shipper talk aside...why did she tell Stefan he was the best choice she made and Damon the worst choice she made?As CD said Human Elena was meant to be with Stefan and Vampire (dark) Elena was meant to be with Damon.Notice with Damon ,her being a vampire,she doesnt call him out for any misdeeds.When he killed Aaron she was all guilty because she thought she had killed him and when Damon finally revealed that he had killed Aaron,her guilt went away and she was all okay, next subject.She expects a vampire to do bad,evil things and not feel guilty abt it but with Stefan she cannot do it because Stefan calls her out for it.When she was human she would call out both guys for their misdeeds.Damon killed Jer in S2 and she said she hated him ,Damon kills Aaron in S5 ,that was brushed under the rug.Stefan is the one who makes her feel accountable and makes her fight ,Damon does not.Thus the resorting to drugs at the beginning of the season and not fighting for him,her words and actions do not match.When Stefan went off with Klaus to save Damon,she fought for him ,words and actions do not match.However she truly loves Damon.
ReplyDeleteIs it bad that I think a whole episode dedicated to Liz Forbes' funeral looks super boring? I sound like a broken record but I don't care- I miss when this was a horror show.
ReplyDeleteno the funeral is only a small part of it.
ReplyDeleteI never thought of them like that-that would be too much for me!
ReplyDeleteI did love their unique friendship & i'll terribly miss that!
But Ian's episode doesn't include flashbacks. The Flashbacks with Mama Salvatore and little Stefan is in this episode - the one Julie directed.(6x15)
ReplyDeleteIt's not really all dedicated to Liz...It contains flashbacks to 1858 (The Salvatore era :D Which I for one missed dearly) and it continues Bonnie's journey to Nova Scotia and (hopefully) her return to the real world. And it has the Parkers, including Kai who is always awesome. I'm really excited for these things...
ReplyDeleteMeh...Australian Promos and their tendency to have literally nothing to do with the episode itself. I remember their tease for the upcoming reunion of Stelena in the 6x03 promo and Stelena had a total of...2 minutes screen time together? Yeah no...Not buying this.
ReplyDeleteSee, a flashback sounds interesting. That seems like something they should have hinted at in the promo, rather than this slo-mo, sad music crap.
ReplyDeleteI agree but they don't usually include the flashbacks in the promos. If the flashbacks are important they show nothing like 5x03 or 6x04 promo, if they're not that plot heavy and important they might show glimpses like 5x19.
ReplyDeleteI think they should've included Bonnie and Kai in the promo.
*Scene opens at a pancake house, Steroline and Delena attending*
ReplyDeleteStefan: Is that our waitress?
Elena: No.
Stefan: I thought she was the one.
Damon: She's not the one.
Caroline: It was the blond one.
Audience: *prepares pitchforks*
TVD, finally acknowledging Tyler, decides to go Teen Wolf and broadcast Twitter hashtags during episodes. Namely, #TheWorst whenever Tyler is on screen. Twitter explodes. Depressed, Tyler snaps his own neck. Liv, inconsolable, cries a river. To dry off her tears, she takes off her blouse and uses it as a hankie. She bounces around a bit, too... out of sadness.
Both having been fired from their jobs for gross incompetence, Jo and Alaric are hiding out at a motel on Miller Road, playing doctor (or other cliche). Whenever texted, they reply "Still looking for that artifact to stop the merge!"
Bonnie and Kai are... bewitching. (Haha, that was terrible).
Back at the pancake house, Mama Salvatore walks in, saying: "Has anybody seen my sons? Since everybody knows blood is merely a poor substitute for pancakes, I thought they might be here. One has bouffant hair and a martyr complex, the other twitchy eyes and insecurity issues. I abandoned them thinking they are the worst, but now that I realize Tyler is actually the worst, I've decided to come back".
Tyler, now dead: ...so mean.
Mama Salvatore: Also, for no raisin, I now have the power to turn one of you 4 human and it'll be Elena. Won't that be fun, eh?
ooh r u sure? ooh ok then hahaha
ReplyDeleteYeah, she'll bring him down alright... I mean, who said that?
ReplyDeleteOK Sorry Misunderstood so you are thinking both Damon and Enzo are bastard children? I think that is a bit unlikely. But OK.
ReplyDeleteJP said Enzo is fiercely loyal - like a soldier in battle - never leave a comrade behind - but I agree I do hope there is more to his revenge storyline then just out of loyalty for Damon.
NOOOOOOOO!!
ReplyDeleteYes,only loyalty for his friend doesn't make sense to me either.There has to be some other reason that is making enzo behave in such ridiculous fashion!
ReplyDeleteReally? Then I'm going to be disappointed. I also assume young Damon will also be in the flashbacks. I want to see a teenage actor play Damon at 17 years of age and see if he can convince me he's Damon!
ReplyDeleteOK I guess we will agree to disagree because I see things happening differently. I see Elena choosing Damon because she is in Love with Him. This is a show about vampires and Yes, they have all done bad things. Pointing out just Damon's flaws w/o mentioning all the others is a bit disingenuous. Any human would change after turning into a vampire for the simple fact that humans are now a food source - which does not go well for humans. As far as Elena's love life - I do not see where that has changed. I believe she was already outgrowing her relationship with Stefan as a human if not, she would have never let Damon kiss her.
ReplyDeleteWith regard to the following events here is how I see them occurring:
1) Step 1 S4 Elena gets her Humanity Back and Officially chooses Damon - In her speech at that moment she confirms it "Might" be the worst decision she makes but she is still choosing Damon
2) Step 2 S5 Elena is now with Damon and has the summer of her dreams - she confirms they are Happy. During the Rain Kiss, Elena asks Damon to Promise her they will be together "Forever"
3) Step 3 Damon Dies at the End of S5 - Elena is devastated and turns to drugs
4) Step 4 - S6 Elena has Alaric remove her Happy Memories of Damon but she still finds her way back to him. She even confirms from the moment she chose him in S4 by the fireplace that being with Him was NOT a MISTAKE
5) Step 5 - S6 - Elena confirms Human, Vampire or NO Memories Elena would still choose Damon and she tells Damon that if the past (ie: Human Elena) is a place where they are NOT together then stop living in it. Because once again it Does Not Matter Human (not dark) or Vampire (dark) she wants to be with Damon.
Other - I agree both brothers have done bad things as vampires. It is disingenuous to call out all of Damon's sins w/o calling out Stefan's. Human, Elena forgave Stefan during his days as a ripper (remember all the names on the wall in Chicago), for killing an entire village of women and children, killing Andy Star etc.... As a Vampire Elena admits she has killed humans and even Caroline killed innocent humans when she first turned. So Yes, it is a show about vampires they are all dark and have done bad things. But both brothers have redeeming qualities and we are beginning to see more of Damon's this season.
I see Damon / Elena challenging each other instead of going along with what Elena wants all the time. Stefan did the opposite - he would always go along with Elena's wishes - in fact Elena told him so during the Original's Ball and Matt confirmed it in the remaining episodes of S3.
Elena's actions and words do in fact match. If not, once again she would be with Stefan and not Damon at this point.
Thats the thing .My original post was referring to someone who asked me why I stated my opinion of the promo.I said that Damon has always been that way so it wouldnt be ooc for him to be harsh .We never touched on Stefan and yes both brothers have done bad things Im not going to discount what Stefan did but the topic ws Damon.And we will disagree because it was stated that he does challenge her but it is never shown that why I stated word and actions do not collide for Elena.Damon makes all the decisions.Case in point when he told her she doesnt get to make decisions anymore ,he told her he would break her arm ,he makes decisions and because he is the" older" brother they have to go along with it.The relationship is bad ,the actors have said it,the writers have said it and I think they are doing it to show the difference between her relationship with Stefan and Damon.As stated by the writers,Elena turning to a vampire was always planned however during Season 2 when Damon "killed" Jeremy because Elena told him it will always be Stefan, the Delena shippers were on Damons' side saying poor Damon and how bad Elena is for rejecting him so they capitalised on it.That said ,different views allow for discussion as we are not the same and we interpret things our own way.We will just have to wait and see how the writers play it out.It could be that she will stay with Damon until the end or she will turn human and go back with Stefan or she will turn human and choose herself.I really dont think the parallels between the two relationships are being done blindly.Until next time.
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