because it appears that a very vocal majority of the fandom still considers her a valid threat to their ship and thus would love to see her gone from the show entirely so the fandom gets to have a sense of victory despite already having won the "war". It's a testiment to the times we live in, fictional relationships and the obstacles that run between are often greeted with vile insults towards the obstacle and blatant hypocrisy into the other direction. While in earlier days a romantically focused fanbase looked for fullfillment in romantic novels this base now seeks and finds the same investment in scripted television. Be it "The Kardashians" or "The Vampire Diaries". Especially since the invention of social media platforms that offer a "direct" line to the production companies and creative minds behind a show this behaviour of directly feeling the need to influence a show by verbally attacking/abusing or merely ridiculing of "the obstacle" has become a every-day way of dealing with problems we feel a sense of distance from, this distance being a computer screen. Sociology wise it's fairly interesting to see the mob-esque behaviour of a batch of people masked through the internet ganging up on one character and the actor/actress behind it, if given validation by the rest of the fandom it appears to be socially accepted to jump both fictional characters without a basic line of criticism or a real life person.
I think this scene is before Malcolm delivers the news of Oliver's death. She seems confident and not grieving. Laurel must have realized Oliver's absence for the past 3 days and came to see what's up.
It's not just that scene. I usually don't connect with her. Her face and her eyes don't express the emotions she is supposed to be feeling. When she is angry or determined or stubborn I can see it but you know emotions like concern or sympathy or showing vulnerability in general that's when she loses me. I can't feel her grief because it's so clouded by anger. I understand her anger, she has every right to be but I've seen her angry a lot before now I need to see the sadness underneath that anger so I can feel her pain.
I think she's at the foundry because of Oliver's absence and she wants to make sense of it so she goes to the foundry. I don't really see anything wrong with that. Hopefully once the shock disappears, Laurel will have more facial expressions because I'm tired of her 'shocked' face :p
wouldn't it be brilliant to actually reveal the writers having killed Oliver off and just having played with our expectations of him 100% returning? It would probably kill the show but it would be bold as f**k :P
You know, it would be some pretty awesome trolling by the producers if they skip the whole "My name is Oliver Queen" bit tomorrow, because he's dead....
I was thinking yesterday what if the show grooms someone else to be Arrow this season and keep SA in the flashbacks.? I don't want that to happen here but it would be awesome if happened in another Arrow universe.
You know what they won't be skipping? Showing Oliver being stabbed in every "previously on Arrow" moments like tehy did with Sara's death. Talk about painful!
I barely survive the 5 sec clip of Roy & Thea because of Coltons performance. Now if you would have said that Nyssa comes and tranqs Roy every episode i could deal with that.
Still think you should. Could probably get the thing published in this day and age and be considered a psychological genius for understanding what some can't even begin to fathom.
I don't think Thea will get one. It will be SA. For the club they will show Oliver getting stabbed, his "dead" body on the mountain dead body and Malcolm saying "Oliver Queen is dead"
You say 'we' but I feel like there are people who truly enjoy hating her. It's just the way the world works. Glad you defend her on occasion though. :)
I keep asking myself if Colton wouldn't have been better off staying on Teen Wolf. I like Roy but I'll admit that his performance is without a doubt the weakest on Arrow. And while Arrow itself might not be graced with a "fantastic" cast (I do think that Barrowman/Blackthorne/Holland are great while Cassidy/Ramsey/Rickards fall in the okay category with Amell and Haynes taking the lower side of the spectrum) but Teen Wolf as a show has a REALLY bad cast altogether. Pretty faces without much talent. He wouldn't stand out as the worst and could probably do some decent lines there. While on Arrow...the talking is righteously given to others
You severely underestimate Mac and his alcohol tolerance level. He's been dealing with Arrow shippers/ Olicity for 2 years now. He should be experienced with drinking games by now lol
But that's not Colton doing the kicky things, his stuntman is. Colton is pretty much getting paid for standing around while saying nothing (at last not much). If he loves acting (wich I assume since he picked this profession) this has to be frustrating.
Its not like we expect a emmy-worty performance. Just a little bit more effort. I hope he is better in the rest of the episode and the upcoming episodes though with him getting more spotlight.
I've always had a strong liver and usually lose at Kings Cup (whenever you pick the wrong card you have to spill your drink into one giant pint and the loser gets to drink the ENTIRE mix) but I don't think I'd survive that. But on the pro-side. I've met some shippers that actually are cool (something I'm not used to from my TVD days) and my tolerance level has been raised significantly
what do you think I'm doing whenever Arrow is on, I genuinely end ever wednesday with Arrow and a bottle of bourbon (don't call me a drinker, I'm part of the dubstep generation, our livers can handle everythaaaang) :P
just look at imdb, I might not be a fan of shipping but still see the importance of romantic arcs in literature (and Arrow however it's a bit too much for my taste on that show). On imdb however there's virtually no tolerance for any romantic aspect....at all
You're talking about me right? ;) But yeah. I've met plenty of cool shippers! They're not all evil lmao actually the majority of them are quite nice. I just feel like anti-shippers are extremely hyperbolic when it comes to describing shippers... I mean, calling them cultists or whackjobs or whatever is just kind of over the top :p Don't hate. Just judge the crazies and not the whole group.
All i see is someone finally on the same page with Felicity... Digg sure gave up pretty quicky. Laurel said it to Felicity, he already went away and came back. I was happy with that.
IMDB gives me a laugh. But I disagree. Most people on IMDB seem to favor Laurel/Oliver only to fulfill comic 'destiny'. lmao the arguments on that site are ridiculous, circular, and just plain entertaining :)
I used to hate her but now I'm at the "do what you want, I just don't care anymore" stage. I agree her line wasn't bad but sadly I can't say the same thing about the delivery.
Don't... A lot of people attacked me today because i said the Green Arrow comics sucked since Kreisberg took over: he made them Arrow: The comicbook Version.
I'm used to always seeming like a Laurel fanatic, I'm actually completely neutral on her. But whenever I read someone saying something clearly motivated out of "other" reasons I can't help myself. "Hello, I'm Mac and I'm an addict"
I can't be the only one. I know there are people who just enjoy bashing her for no reason but I think there are a lot like me. Actually believe it or not last year I hated when Sara and Oliver were together because I felt really bad for Laurel, it had nothing to do with Olicity at all.
I have a tumblr account. But never post there. I follow some cool level headed people. Great place to be on the top of the news and bts activities of actors if you are interested in that.
I left it for that reason, I like some of the guys like cdull but every imdb page falls into an extreme. The board for TO is a complete Klayley-shipper infested place that actually asks questions like "Why can't Klaus sleep with his sister if Elijah gets to bang Hayley" (wich in the context of the show makes absolutely no sense).
It attracts certainly some extremists.
I generally love to discuss my favourite shows for relaxation but ever since starting to interact with fandoms I've learned one valuable lesson: if you're looking for solid material for your psychology classes you'll have a field day with TV fandoms
I feel ya there, I love Laurel, I try not to hate anyone on any show to be honest though there are the fair few...I'm tired of the ship war because I agree on both accounts (Laurel because comics, Felicity because chemistry, at this point I want Oliver alone with his kid by the end of the series) but I was angry about the Sara/Oliver arc. I felt for Laurel and it made me instantly dislike Sara, like yes she's a badass and an awesome fighter but I just thought the relationship was rushed. She was angry and couldn't grieve because they both 'died' on the ship but now they're alive and still screwing each other, she had every right to be angry.
Yep, i liked Lemire's run A LOT! But the environment just changed after Kreisberg took over(as if we haven't suffer enough with his Cupid story, back in the day), it has an Arrow vibe written all over it. They smoked Oliver's previous companions(Naomi and Fyff) to make room to Felicity. The comic is just a rehash of Arrow... It's like a bad fanfiction, tbh. And the illustrations suck too.
Water under the bridge, really. I remember chewing you out on one of your comments but sometimes people say things they regret during the heat of the moment. I was mainly taking the words from IMDB users who generally use said colorful adjectives when describing shippers. It's almost sad. Because they obsess over Olicity almost as much as the Oliciters.
Dude, forget about comicbook canon. Instead of the show taking from comics it's the comics that are taking from the show. I read them and they're now a bad rehash of Arrow. That whole story was a piece of crap and was even worst is they wrote Laurel as "the bad guy" and next episode she was giving Oliver relationship advices. She could not talk to him anymore and i would have supported her. I don't like how her character is written, but we don't bash her... There's always gonna be some idiots, but we can't just not let them write idiotic things.
Thanks, that's nice to hear ^^ I easily jump on Olicity simply because they're big and there, however I'd jump on Lauriver shippers as well....if there were any (badum-tss) if they went overboard on twitter/facebook like some Oliciters do at times.
From all the ship bases I've encountered Olicity is certainly one of the biggest, obviously that brings a batch of crazies with it. However I've never seen so extremely different shippers in one fandom. You have those that reason, those that really just watch and enjoy. the people that are really into it and won't reason aaaaand then you have those that send death threats. It's both amazing and a tad disturbing to see a romantic couple unite so many people.
imdb users appear to generally be very comic book focused. Also they are a vocal minority, an absolute minority in every sense. Nolanites despise them for liking Arrow wich is "a cheap knock-off" and shippers dislike them for wanting to fullfill the "Laurel/Oliver destiny" (wich is off the table IMO, I don't see Felicity/Oliver as endgame either but Laurel/Oliver is dead)
You at least reason koky, there're those that just leave messages full of hate.
I disagree on the "delivery" part since KC has portrayed Laurel pretty solid for the mess she's given (IMO she's doing fine,wich again is just my opinion) but I can't disagree with people telling me that the writing is crap for her, because it is
Naaaa, i think people count the "Future's End" issue, wich they shouldn't... But i think sales went back to the 20k with people following Lemire to Justice League United, where he writes a good Green Arrow and not Arrow's Oliver.
Not that im fond of Laurel but how is it that every post about her gets so many comments yet half of them are "bashing" her? Point is, if you dont like something you dont need to make sure everyone knows each time. I think people should focus on the things they like more.
Oh I agree the writing is horrible but no offense to KC, I'm not a big fan of her emotional scenes. Except for when Sara died in her arms, that scene destroyed me.
I didn't start anything. I left one comment. That actually wasn't bad, compared to the other things i've said in the past. I'm not responsible for the 99+ comments.
The problem I had with her season 1 performance was actually that she played her character a tad too old. She appeared more experienced than Tommy/Oliver and thus destroyed the "childhood friends" facade on my part.
But against popular belief I enjoyed her acting in season 2 a lot more. I fault the writers for aprubtly ending the drug storyline but IMO KC delivered Laurels downfall perfectly.
Now the writers are making a 180° with the character since they see that the fandom responds negatively to break Laurel down completely before building her up (so they jumpstart the Black Canary arc) and so far KC is solid.
If I was given her material I would probably go insane with all her characteristics changing from episode to episode. I'm not sure wich writer I have to fault but it appears like there're at least 3 writers that have 3 different VERY set ideas of how she has to be. And these 3 never seem to communicate
You mean in The Ousiders war with the gotee and all? xD I didn't notice that before, but now that you mention it... It's weird seeing him alongside a clean shaved Oliver. I actually really enjoyed Lemire's "The Outsider's War" and "Broken".
Now that i got some off time from work i'm catching up with Flash and JLU, will see if they're cool.
The only way I don't see Felicity/Oliver being endgame is if Felicity or Oliver dies by the series finale (*insert Michael Scott's oh god please no! gif*). But that's a conversation for another day :) I'd actually LOVE to chat with you about this though. I like talking to objective people!
I think it's incredible how a couple can bring so many people together. I mean, to have that couple inspire people to make fan-art/fanfics/metas etc. It's just really mindblowing and a wonderful phenomenon. But then there are the people who go overboard (and honestly I feel these people are usually teens who haven't completely developed emotionally/mentally).
Then again, it makes sense. In society you always have a group of crazies who tend to be violent. Why should it be different in a subset of the population? I hope that makes sense? IDK
Well it's a start. People had so much free time on their hands during the hiatus. I think it's getting better though now that the shows are coming back.
Honestly if people would just respect other people's opinion about Laurel half of the problem is already solved. Someone simply said Laurel would just call instead of going to the lair. Unfair.. maybe.. But that is the poster's wish and she has never shied away from her dislike of Laurel. Knowing that everyone has to comment on that post and start a discussion of how the mighty shippers hate Laurel. Why not ignore it for once?
I tried them once and didn't really care for them. Waffles on the other hand are a different stories. But since I'm hungry and beggars can't be choosers I'll take the pancakes lol
Ok, the logistics are not the best! We encounter a mild set-back, but we can work out something that happens to pass from Arabia Saudi, to Africa, to Argentina...
I'm super extra lazy today and I'm not gonna read everyone fighting so I just wanted to say that I think it's super cute that Laurel is reassuring Felicity. She's kind of growing on me, go figure.
You mean DJ Douchebag. Arrow fandom has never been united as they were before the introduction of DJ Douchebag. Every review, every fan, every aftershow, every tumblr feed slammed him. He deserves a statue erected for his services in uniting us.
Lmaoooo why would you say that? B/c of his picture?? STEREOTYPE!! Lmaoooo, I'm kidding. But you know it's funny, b/c the other day I took one of those online quizzes and it was "Who was your past love" (something like that) And I got John Lennon. LOL Which I didn't mind b/c I love John Lennon.
There are 14 year olds who use tumblr. :p I use it. It took some time to get used to, but it comes in handy because information there spreads like wildfire. But it's mainly an olicity site so Idk how much use it would be for you.
I'm just really going to miss being in my twenties :') My mom always said once women turn 30, they lose their 'charm'. I'm gonna prove her and all the Indian parents who say this wrong. :p I'm gonna be hella charming next year.
I have no idea who is character in his picture by the way lol I said that because I know that English isn't his first language. And who is John Lennon? lol
Lmao aw thank you mac :') But I think she meant looks wise. Indian parents are just really intense when it comes to beauty. Especially before marriage. It's really interesting because my dad who isn't Indian is just the complete opposite. I love to see different cultures clashing. It's interesting.
One of my country's presidents looked like a penguin... He was funny... His wife? Not so much. She's our current president and a total crazy b**ch.
Penguins are well dressed cyborgs that one day will rule us over(they come from the future). They fool everyone, but did you see them walk? So robotic...
I saw a post in another site talking about Felicity's clothes and there was this pissed off lady who was offended that people were talking about her style and not her intelect. I only wish she would see you talking about her butt! hahahahahhaa that would be a fight I would love to see...
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I wish she would just call and ask them.
ReplyDeleteLaurel Lance, the woman who can't do ANYTHING right.
ReplyDeleteIs this the new thing from the CW promo dept - short 20 sec promo's?? Hmmmm....
ReplyDeleteI would settle for seeing some emotions on her face or any expression of any kind.
ReplyDeleteHave I mentioned how much I hate these short sneak peeks?
ReplyDeleteYeah because it's not like Laurel is emotionally close to Oliver or anything, why would she go down to check on him.
ReplyDeleteThink this is just for the midseason return of the shows. Won't be a permanent deal, I hope at least.
ReplyDeleteI think she's just in denial/shock. Give it a bit.
ReplyDeleteLaurel got one toooooo! Sweet! Hoping Thea gets one also! ^_^
ReplyDeleteBut hey, go and criticize Felicity and see yourself burned alive
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her hair looks like she's been struck by lightning!!!
ReplyDeletebecause it appears that a very vocal majority of the fandom still considers her a valid threat to their ship and thus would love to see her gone from the show entirely so the fandom gets to have a sense of victory despite already having won the "war". It's a testiment to the times we live in, fictional relationships and the obstacles that run between are often greeted with vile insults towards the obstacle and blatant hypocrisy into the other direction. While in earlier days a romantically focused fanbase looked for fullfillment in romantic novels this base now seeks and finds the same investment in scripted television. Be it "The Kardashians" or "The Vampire Diaries". Especially since the invention of social media platforms that offer a "direct" line to the production companies and creative minds behind a show this behaviour of directly feeling the need to influence a show by verbally attacking/abusing or merely ridiculing of "the obstacle" has become a every-day way of dealing with problems we feel a sense of distance from, this distance being a computer screen.
ReplyDeleteSociology wise it's fairly interesting to see the mob-esque behaviour of a batch of people masked through the internet ganging up on one character and the actor/actress behind it, if given validation by the rest of the fandom it appears to be socially accepted to jump both fictional characters without a basic line of criticism or a real life person.
I think this scene is before Malcolm delivers the news of Oliver's death. She seems confident and not grieving. Laurel must have realized Oliver's absence for the past 3 days and came to see what's up.
ReplyDeleteNow we need Thea promo too.
It's not just that scene. I usually don't connect with her. Her face and her eyes don't express the emotions she is supposed to be feeling. When she is angry or determined or stubborn I can see it but you know emotions like concern or sympathy or showing vulnerability in general that's when she loses me. I can't feel her grief because it's so clouded by anger. I understand her anger, she has every right to be but I've seen her angry a lot before now I need to see the sadness underneath that anger so I can feel her pain.
ReplyDeleteI think she's at the foundry because of Oliver's absence and she wants to make sense of it so she goes to the foundry. I don't really see anything wrong with that. Hopefully once the shock disappears, Laurel will have more facial expressions because I'm tired of her 'shocked' face :p
ReplyDeleteIt's the mid-season premiere though, so it'd make sense to have Stephen do that voice over?
ReplyDeleteHuh? You mean promo... But..but.. But Oliver is dead.. *running away to cry in a corner*
ReplyDeletethe sarcasm is strong with this one
ReplyDeleteyeah, promo.
ReplyDeletewouldn't it be brilliant to actually reveal the writers having killed Oliver off and just having played with our expectations of him 100% returning?
It would probably kill the show but it would be bold as f**k :P
You know, it would be some pretty awesome trolling by the producers if they skip the whole "My name is Oliver Queen" bit tomorrow, because he's dead....
ReplyDeleteI was thinking yesterday what if the show grooms someone else to be Arrow this season and keep SA in the flashbacks.? I don't want that to happen here but it would be awesome if happened in another Arrow universe.
ReplyDeleteThey are skipping it. MG said on tumblr.
ReplyDeleteI don't do tumblr so, but good.
ReplyDeleteI was actually kind of sort of defending Laurel for once! (growth :)) :p
ReplyDeletegod they're such trolls. Brilliant trolls though, I'd love to know what they do in the writers room.
ReplyDeleteYou know what they won't be skipping? Showing Oliver being stabbed in every "previously on Arrow" moments like tehy did with Sara's death. Talk about painful!
ReplyDeleteIt'd truly be a bold move with keeping Arsenal as the main protagonist for the rest of the series
ReplyDeleteHere we go.... a thread related to Laurel. So of course we have to fight.
ReplyDelete*ominous voice* War is coming.
Damn, and I was about to write a psychological thesis about the value of shipping in our society -,-
ReplyDeleteYou really want me to quit Arrow don't you? CH as a lead. The horror. But to his credit he is way better this season with all the silence.
ReplyDeleteImagine a brick wall as your protagonist, because that would be exactly it xD
ReplyDeleteI barely survive the 5 sec clip of Roy & Thea because of Coltons performance. Now if you would have said that Nyssa comes and tranqs Roy every episode i could deal with that.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you make it a drinking game mac? Every time you want to rant at shippers take a drink.
ReplyDeleteYou should write a companion piece about the value of anti-shipping (anti-shippers) because that's equally as strong in the arrow fandom :)
ReplyDeleteStill think you should. Could probably get the thing published in this day and age and be considered a psychological genius for understanding what some can't even begin to fathom.
ReplyDeleteContrary to popular belief we don't enjoy hating her lol we don't go around spreading hate. Sometimes I actually defend her, it's rare but it happens.
ReplyDeleteR.I.P. Mac - Dead by alcohol poisoning
ReplyDeleteI don't think Thea will get one. It will be SA. For the club they will show Oliver getting stabbed, his "dead" body on the mountain dead body and Malcolm saying "Oliver Queen is dead"
ReplyDeletelmao, I still don't like her at all. I'm quite apathetic towards Laurel. But this clip isn't that bad. I liked Laurel's line.
ReplyDeleteYou say 'we' but I feel like there are people who truly enjoy hating her. It's just the way the world works. Glad you defend her on occasion though. :)
ReplyDeleteUnnecessary parkour time haha
ReplyDeleteWhy feel bad? He is a side kick. He is doing side kicky things. Why look in a horse's mouth? He quips, he arrows and he flips. More than enough.
ReplyDeleteI keep asking myself if Colton wouldn't have been better off staying on Teen Wolf. I like Roy but I'll admit that his performance is without a doubt the weakest on Arrow. And while Arrow itself might not be graced with a "fantastic" cast (I do think that Barrowman/Blackthorne/Holland are great while Cassidy/Ramsey/Rickards fall in the okay category with Amell and Haynes taking the lower side of the spectrum) but Teen Wolf as a show has a REALLY bad cast altogether. Pretty faces without much talent. He wouldn't stand out as the worst and could probably do some decent lines there. While on Arrow...the talking is righteously given to others
ReplyDeleteYou severely underestimate Mac and his alcohol tolerance level. He's been dealing with Arrow shippers/ Olicity for 2 years now. He should be experienced with drinking games by now lol
ReplyDeleteBut that's not Colton doing the kicky things, his stuntman is. Colton is pretty much getting paid for standing around while saying nothing (at last not much). If he loves acting (wich I assume since he picked this profession) this has to be frustrating.
ReplyDeletePshhhh....mac! Don't give him ideas. Let's praise Roy the status quo remains.
ReplyDeleteAnyway he will get more to do in coming episodes. Let's see what he does with that.
Its not like we expect a emmy-worty performance. Just a little bit more effort. I hope he is better in the rest of the episode and the upcoming episodes though with him getting more spotlight.
ReplyDeleteI've always had a strong liver and usually lose at Kings Cup (whenever you pick the wrong card you have to spill your drink into one giant pint and the loser gets to drink the ENTIRE mix) but I don't think I'd survive that. But on the pro-side. I've met some shippers that actually are cool (something I'm not used to from my TVD days) and my tolerance level has been raised significantly
ReplyDeletewhat do you think I'm doing whenever Arrow is on, I genuinely end ever wednesday with Arrow and a bottle of bourbon (don't call me a drinker, I'm part of the dubstep generation, our livers can handle everythaaaang) :P
ReplyDeleteThey like hurting us don't they?
ReplyDeletejust look at imdb, I might not be a fan of shipping but still see the importance of romantic arcs in literature (and Arrow however it's a bit too much for my taste on that show). On imdb however there's virtually no tolerance for any romantic aspect....at all
ReplyDeleteYou're talking about me right? ;) But yeah. I've met plenty of cool shippers! They're not all evil lmao actually the majority of them are quite nice. I just feel like anti-shippers are extremely hyperbolic when it comes to describing shippers... I mean, calling them cultists or whackjobs or whatever is just kind of over the top :p Don't hate. Just judge the crazies and not the whole group.
ReplyDeleteAll i see is someone finally on the same page with Felicity... Digg sure gave up pretty quicky. Laurel said it to Felicity, he already went away and came back. I was happy with that.
ReplyDeleteI leave for like a half hour, I come back and there's already 49 comments? (Me being 50th) wtf?? Lol
ReplyDeleteIMDB gives me a laugh. But I disagree. Most people on IMDB seem to favor Laurel/Oliver only to fulfill comic 'destiny'. lmao the arguments on that site are ridiculous, circular, and just plain entertaining :)
ReplyDeleteI still don't think there will be a SA promo. Let's see.
ReplyDeleteNot as much as they like hurting their own characters.
ReplyDeletesome day this will be a Taylor Swift song
ReplyDeleteimdb simply gives me a headache..
ReplyDeleteI used to hate her but now I'm at the "do what you want, I just don't care anymore" stage. I agree her line wasn't bad but sadly I can't say the same thing about the delivery.
ReplyDeleteIt all started with your comment Shannon. You are the culprit. Let the odds be in your favor.
ReplyDeleteDon't... A lot of people attacked me today because i said the Green Arrow comics sucked since Kreisberg took over: he made them Arrow: The comicbook Version.
ReplyDeleteI'm used to always seeming like a Laurel fanatic, I'm actually completely neutral on her. But whenever I read someone saying something clearly motivated out of "other" reasons I can't help myself. "Hello, I'm Mac and I'm an addict"
ReplyDeleteYou guys are still dooooingggg it...
ReplyDeleteI think it would be really cool (and just feel right) if Thea got tomorrow's...Tonight short clip. I'd like that. It would be poetic.
ReplyDeleteSo now instead of bashing Laurel/KC there's a whole thread talking about Roy on KC's promo. Lol.
ReplyDeleteKreisberg is writing Green Arrow again? That's news to me, mostly because I'm completly uninterested in the New 52 stuff.
ReplyDeleteI can't be the only one. I know there are people who just enjoy bashing her for no reason but I think there are a lot like me. Actually believe it or not last year I hated when Sara and Oliver were together because I felt really bad for Laurel, it had nothing to do with Olicity at all.
ReplyDeleteI didn't say anything of the sort. I just said I'd wish she'd call sometimes. No need to get all blah about it.
ReplyDeleteI have a tumblr account. But never post there. I follow some cool level headed people. Great place to be on the top of the news and bts activities of actors if you are interested in that.
ReplyDeleteYeah that would work. You got a marker? Maybe we can draw one on her face.
ReplyDeleteOH! Have you ever bumped into laurel at your AA meetings? :) Only joking, but I totally get what you mean. :)
ReplyDeleteYou said it. Not me. Love the sarcasm though.
ReplyDeleteI'll stop lol
ReplyDeleteI left it for that reason, I like some of the guys like cdull but every imdb page falls into an extreme. The board for TO is a complete Klayley-shipper infested place that actually asks questions like "Why can't Klaus sleep with his sister if Elijah gets to bang Hayley" (wich in the context of the show makes absolutely no sense).
ReplyDeleteIt attracts certainly some extremists.
I generally love to discuss my favourite shows for relaxation but ever since starting to interact with fandoms I've learned one valuable lesson: if you're looking for solid material for your psychology classes you'll have a field day with TV fandoms
The funny thing is that you started this and left lol
ReplyDeleteI feel ya there, I love Laurel, I try not to hate anyone on any show to be honest though there are the fair few...I'm tired of the ship war because I agree on both accounts (Laurel because comics, Felicity because chemistry, at this point I want Oliver alone with his kid by the end of the series) but I was angry about the Sara/Oliver arc. I felt for Laurel and it made me instantly dislike Sara, like yes she's a badass and an awesome fighter but I just thought the relationship was rushed. She was angry and couldn't grieve because they both 'died' on the ship but now they're alive and still screwing each other, she had every right to be angry.
ReplyDeleteYep, i liked Lemire's run A LOT! But the environment just changed after Kreisberg took over(as if we haven't suffer enough with his Cupid story, back in the day), it has an Arrow vibe written all over it. They smoked Oliver's previous companions(Naomi and Fyff) to make room to Felicity.
ReplyDeleteThe comic is just a rehash of Arrow... It's like a bad fanfiction, tbh. And the illustrations suck too.
admit it, you knew this would happen. You lit the match and left the burning building with a smirk knowing that we'd burn dat shyte down :P
ReplyDeleteWater under the bridge, really. I remember chewing you out on one of your comments but sometimes people say things they regret during the heat of the moment.
ReplyDeleteI was mainly taking the words from IMDB users who generally use said colorful adjectives when describing shippers. It's almost sad. Because they obsess over Olicity almost as much as the Oliciters.
we probably get some exclusive clip lol probably the comic preview scene.
ReplyDeleteWell hopefully Laurel's "wondering" of where Oliver is, will put herself in Quentin's shoes.
ReplyDeleteplot twist lol
ReplyDeleteYa gotta keep people on their toes ;)
ReplyDeleteNobody gets angry when I criticize Roy/CH to my hearts content unlike Laurel/KC where everyone gets sensitive.
ReplyDeleteit needs to be spread out a bit. Equality and all.
ReplyDeleteDude, forget about comicbook canon. Instead of the show taking from comics it's the comics that are taking from the show. I read them and they're now a bad rehash of Arrow.
ReplyDeleteThat whole story was a piece of crap and was even worst is they wrote Laurel as "the bad guy" and next episode she was giving Oliver relationship advices. She could not talk to him anymore and i would have supported her.
I don't like how her character is written, but we don't bash her... There's always gonna be some idiots, but we can't just not let them write idiotic things.
Is it?? People sure are in a "playful" mood very quickly then.
ReplyDeleteThanks, that's nice to hear ^^
ReplyDeleteI easily jump on Olicity simply because they're big and there, however I'd jump on Lauriver shippers as well....if there were any (badum-tss) if they went overboard on twitter/facebook like some Oliciters do at times.
From all the ship bases I've encountered Olicity is certainly one of the biggest, obviously that brings a batch of crazies with it. However I've never seen so extremely different shippers in one fandom. You have those that reason, those that really just watch and enjoy. the people that are really into it and won't reason aaaaand then you have those that send death threats. It's both amazing and a tad disturbing to see a romantic couple unite so many people.
imdb users appear to generally be very comic book focused. Also they are a vocal minority, an absolute minority in every sense. Nolanites despise them for liking Arrow wich is "a cheap knock-off" and shippers dislike them for wanting to fullfill the "Laurel/Oliver destiny" (wich is off the table IMO, I don't see Felicity/Oliver as endgame either but Laurel/Oliver is dead)
You at least reason koky, there're those that just leave messages full of hate.
ReplyDeleteI disagree on the "delivery" part since KC has portrayed Laurel pretty solid for the mess she's given (IMO she's doing fine,wich again is just my opinion) but I can't disagree with people telling me that the writing is crap for her, because it is
You gotta admit though, Roy/CH is better than that fraking DJ character they recently created :P
ReplyDeleteNaaaa, i think people count the "Future's End" issue, wich they shouldn't... But i think sales went back to the 20k with people following Lemire to Justice League United, where he writes a good Green Arrow and not Arrow's Oliver.
ReplyDeleteain't that the truth
ReplyDeleteI sure as hell didn't. I mean damn, I went to make something to eat. If my words had so much power, Oliver would be coming back by Pit. Lol
ReplyDeleteI actually don't even get how to use tumblr. I signed up there years ago but never understood how to work with it....I'm old I guess
ReplyDeleteNot that im fond of Laurel but how is it that every post about her gets so many comments yet half of them are "bashing" her? Point is, if you dont like something you dont need to make sure everyone knows each time. I think people should focus on the things they like more.
ReplyDeleteWell he did, he introduced Felicity as his techie, gave Oliver the stubble/short hair and turned the narrative into a fairly Arrow-esque way.
ReplyDeleteI haven't read enough to say that it sucks but the statement that he made it Arrow: the Comic is a fairly sober one
Let's hate on Austin Butler! I'm all for it!
ReplyDeleteOh I agree the writing is horrible but no offense to KC, I'm not a big fan of her emotional scenes. Except for when Sara died in her arms, that scene destroyed me.
ReplyDeleteI didn't start anything. I left one comment. That actually wasn't bad, compared to the other things i've said in the past. I'm not responsible for the 99+ comments.
ReplyDeleteDJ Moron for president!
ReplyDeleteSeriously though, he was there for one episode so far, and what exactly was his purpose? To show that other guys can be hot for Thea...? Duh?
ReplyDeleteWhat did you make? I'm kinda hungry lol
ReplyDeleteDont worry he will be back, lots of opportunity for your hatred to grow.
ReplyDeleteHa! Yeah ok. = /.......well to quote then....."Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes...chaos."
ReplyDeleteThat's how powerful it was lol
ReplyDeleteThe problem I had with her season 1 performance was actually that she played her character a tad too old. She appeared more experienced than Tommy/Oliver and thus destroyed the "childhood friends" facade on my part.
ReplyDeleteBut against popular belief I enjoyed her acting in season 2 a lot more. I fault the writers for aprubtly ending the drug storyline but IMO KC delivered Laurels downfall perfectly.
Now the writers are making a 180° with the character since they see that the fandom responds negatively to break Laurel down completely before building her up (so they jumpstart the Black Canary arc) and so far KC is solid.
If I was given her material I would probably go insane with all her characteristics changing from episode to episode. I'm not sure wich writer I have to fault but it appears like there're at least 3 writers that have 3 different VERY set ideas of how she has to be. And these 3 never seem to communicate
Pancakes and sausage. LOL it was delicious.
ReplyDeleteI'm touched? = / Lol wtf? Like idk how to respond to that.
ReplyDeleteActually for once most of the comments are jokes. Read them.
ReplyDeletehahahahahaha
ReplyDeleteI think the last straw for me was when they drew Robert Queen looking like classic Oliver.
ReplyDeleteCould you mail some of that to my house?
ReplyDeleteNow I'm seriously hungry lol
ReplyDeleteI agree. Idt there will be a Stephen one. Honestly I want Willa to have the last one.
ReplyDeleteIf I sent you a picture of the dinner I made last night, you'd be drooling like Homer Simpson. Lol
ReplyDeleteYou mean in The Ousiders war with the gotee and all? xD I didn't notice that before, but now that you mention it... It's weird seeing him alongside a clean shaved Oliver. I actually really enjoyed Lemire's "The Outsider's War" and "Broken".
ReplyDeleteNow that i got some off time from work i'm catching up with Flash and JLU, will see if they're cool.
I'm good thanks lol but just out of curiosity what was it?
ReplyDeleteSure, what state you in? I have plenty to go around. Lol It won't come to you hot though. LOL
ReplyDeleteWell.....one out of two ain't bad. It's still a 100+ post thread, but it's jokes and banter as opposed to the usual bashing.
ReplyDeleteYes i know but as you said "for once".
ReplyDeleteThe only way I don't see Felicity/Oliver being endgame is if Felicity or Oliver dies by the series finale (*insert Michael Scott's oh god please no! gif*). But that's a conversation for another day :) I'd actually LOVE to chat with you about this though. I like talking to objective people!
ReplyDeleteI think it's incredible how a couple can bring so many people together. I mean, to have that couple inspire people to make fan-art/fanfics/metas etc. It's just really mindblowing and a wonderful phenomenon. But then there are the people who go overboard (and honestly I feel these people are usually teens who haven't completely developed emotionally/mentally).
Then again, it makes sense. In society you always have a group of crazies who tend to be violent. Why should it be different in a subset of the population? I hope that makes sense? IDK
I don't think he lives in the US. But if you're cool with international shipping you could send me some as well lol
ReplyDeleteBlech! I said earlier that I try not to hate on anyone but there are the few that filter through...so far...he is one...
ReplyDeleteOn a different note, I really want him to be planted by Malcolm to keep an eye on Thea, at least make the character a little interesting.
Yeah, it was a direct reference. Drawing Robert Queen to look like the older Oliver from the classic run.
ReplyDeletehey, even got mentioned in the crossover episode while Merlyn didn't. That still bothers me more than anything
ReplyDeleteThat's better than none. Maybe it'll become a trend. LMAO!!!
ReplyDeleteI've been working hard on the sarcasm thing becoming a trend. At least once we're all on one page :P
ReplyDeleteWell it's a start. People had so much free time on their hands during the hiatus. I think it's getting better though now that the shows are coming back.
ReplyDeleteI live in Argentina... Where are you from? Maybe she can catch a plane with a stop-off in your country and deliver it in two days or so...
ReplyDeleteHonestly if people would just respect other people's opinion about Laurel half of the problem is already solved. Someone simply said Laurel would just call instead of going to the lair. Unfair.. maybe.. But that is the poster's wish and she has never shied away from her dislike of Laurel. Knowing that everyone has to comment on that post and start a discussion of how the mighty shippers hate Laurel. Why not ignore it for once?
ReplyDeleteThat would be a very big detour she is going to take since I live in Africa lol
ReplyDeleteSomeone said international shipping? Do you deliver to Saudi Arabia?
ReplyDeleteI had my trident and mi torch to chase some people who don't agree with me... bummer! I wanted to outcast some from this web...
ReplyDeleteJust to be clear I was not blaming you. I just meant it started the spark. We had fun though after the first few mins.
ReplyDeleteShannon might I suggest you deactivate your account and get out while you still can lol
ReplyDeleteI can see the horns and tail on you. Let me get my cross.
ReplyDeleteNo! I want my pancakes! Last time i tried to do one of those i burned everything... I need some pancakes in my life!
ReplyDeleteDON'T DO IT MAC. I'm watching you -_-
ReplyDeleteDude you are 20. Don't give me a complex saying you are old.
ReplyDeleteI tried them once and didn't really care for them. Waffles on the other hand are a different stories. But since I'm hungry and beggars can't be choosers I'll take the pancakes lol
ReplyDeletelmao I know. I'm turning 29 next month. Next year I'm probably gonna be depressed on my birthday :p
ReplyDeleteHe is 20??????????? and he thinks that he is old???????
ReplyDeleteMe too. Give Willa some attention for once.
ReplyDeleteOk, the logistics are not the best! We encounter a mild set-back, but we can work out something that happens to pass from Arabia Saudi, to Africa, to Argentina...
ReplyDeleteI'm super extra lazy today and I'm not gonna read everyone fighting so I just wanted to say that I think it's super cute that Laurel is reassuring Felicity. She's kind of growing on me, go figure.
ReplyDeleteThat would be a space shuttle hahahaha although ODA and I are so close we could share lol
ReplyDeleteYou mean DJ Douchebag. Arrow fandom has never been united as they were before the introduction of DJ Douchebag. Every review, every fan, every aftershow, every tumblr feed slammed him. He deserves a statue erected for his services in uniting us.
ReplyDeleteLmaoooo why would you say that? B/c of his picture?? STEREOTYPE!! Lmaoooo, I'm kidding. But you know it's funny, b/c the other day I took one of those online quizzes and it was "Who was your past love" (something like that) And I got John Lennon. LOL Which I didn't mind b/c I love John Lennon.
ReplyDeleteI am in my 30's. I am still young.
ReplyDeletethere's actually no fighting this time :D
ReplyDeleteand still I can't work out how to use tumblr, maybe I'm too young?
ReplyDeleteI take that as a win. :)
ReplyDeleteAll you hungry bastards. Lol make your own damn food. I'm gonna start charging everyone on this thread. Hahahahaha (and it won't be with money).
ReplyDeleteRead the whole thing. It's very entertaining.
ReplyDeleteThere are 14 year olds who use tumblr. :p I use it. It took some time to get used to, but it comes in handy because information there spreads like wildfire. But it's mainly an olicity site so Idk how much use it would be for you.
ReplyDeletewell technically she was in that Barrowman & Roy clip. And since they are recycling the old countdown i dont think we will get a Willa clip.
ReplyDeleteWell that's good to know....did you get my quote?? = P
ReplyDeleteI'm just really going to miss being in my twenties :') My mom always said once women turn 30, they lose their 'charm'. I'm gonna prove her and all the Indian parents who say this wrong. :p I'm gonna be hella charming next year.
ReplyDeleteLmfaooo!! Omg!! I think I made everyone hungry. Oopsy!
ReplyDeleteI have no idea who is character in his picture by the way lol I said that because I know that English isn't his first language. And who is John Lennon? lol
ReplyDeleteFor once it's a fighting free zone. Only a wee bit off-topic perhaps...
ReplyDeleteI made Italian sausage with spaghetti and garlic bread.
ReplyDeleteyou are charming, never let anyone tell you otherwise. Except if it's me, I'm usually right (well not really)
ReplyDeleteYeah probably. I'm in my late 20s.
ReplyDeleteHush, the grown-ups are talking....or maybe not.
ReplyDeleteLmao aw thank you mac :') But I think she meant looks wise. Indian parents are just really intense when it comes to beauty. Especially before marriage. It's really interesting because my dad who isn't Indian is just the complete opposite. I love to see different cultures clashing. It's interesting.
ReplyDeleteNon Sense. What do our Indian mothers know? I am so awesome just follow my footsteps :)
ReplyDeleteDo you use that fair and lovely cream? :p My mom bought me a pack earlier this month. I think she's trying to tell me something.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think we boss you around?
ReplyDeleteNow that we're already into off-topic land, what the deal about zebras... Are they white with black stripes or black with white stripes?
ReplyDeleteOk now I'm gonna cry. This conversion is hitting so close to home. Can we change the subject?
ReplyDeleteZebras? Dude. Zebras aren't as effed up as Giraffes. I mean. What even are they :p
ReplyDeleteWhite with black stripes def ;)
ReplyDeleteHahahaha I just wanted to hear you say it. LOL if no one got that quote they should get the hell off this site and never look back. LOL
ReplyDeleteYou do? How can I join? lol
ReplyDeletebro, these things are messed up like...crosswalks brah. Pass the dube man...
ReplyDeleteaw, I'm sorry! Consider the subject changed. :)
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about penguins
ReplyDeleteYou're joking right? How old are you again?
ReplyDeleteboss me around, I'm on duty taking care of the old people here it appears ;)
ReplyDelete*ahem ahem* It's been nice getting to know all of you *walks away in slow motion*
ReplyDeletebut daaaaaaaaaad
ReplyDeleteGiraffes... Can you imagine if one wanted to eat it's feet's nails? My mind could explode thinking about that!
ReplyDeleteThat would be really nice. It'd be a nice change. I've always liked Willa (Not so happy with Thea atm)
ReplyDeleteWell he is missing. And no matter what it would be blah even over the phone.
ReplyDeleteThis just got interesting lol
ReplyDeleteQuestion. Why would one (animal or human) want to eat Giraffe nails?
ReplyDeletecan't....hold....back.....
ReplyDeleteFelicity has the wwww.....ibbly wobbly timey wimiest butt I've ever seen. She's gorgeous.
I get that.
ReplyDeleteWell I'm 9 months older than you. Do the math lol
ReplyDeleteIt's ok I was kidding :) Sort of, I'm really dreading my 30th birthday :(
ReplyDeleteHer butt is amazing. Sir mixalot would love it.
ReplyDeleteBut honestly, I'd love to see a well constructed criticism of Felicity. Unfortunately I have never seen one.
One of my country's presidents looked like a penguin... He was funny... His wife? Not so much. She's our current president and a total crazy b**ch.
ReplyDeletePenguins are well dressed cyborgs that one day will rule us over(they come from the future). They fool everyone, but did you see them walk? So robotic...
I saw a post in another site talking about Felicity's clothes and there was this pissed off lady who was offended that people were talking about her style and not her intelect. I only wish she would see you talking about her butt! hahahahahhaa that would be a fight I would love to see...
ReplyDeletehahahahahahahaha
ReplyDeleteYeah! I don't know what a "dub" is, but yeah! i'll pass it on!
ReplyDelete(passing the dub)
I think you are right.. Bummer :( I love Willa.
ReplyDeleteDude why? It's like you want to start a fandom war at times. There is absolutely no need to bring shipping, or even Felicity into this.
ReplyDeleteNo no read it. I haven't laughed that much in a while. We are having so much fun.
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