Misha Collins is set to return as a series regular on The CW drama's 10th season, The Hollywood Reporter has learned, joining stars Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki.
I can't imagine the show without him, but damn, they need end this angel-war storyline and find another way to make Cas useful and tied into the storyline that Sam and Dean exist in.
Agree. I like Misha but hate most of Castiels stories except may be for season 4. I hope he will be assisting to boys (or worst case scenario to Sam getting Dean back from the dark side).
If he's back on the show in a decent role that matters to me. I loved some of his material this season, but some was just awful. They also need to work on pacing his appearances better.
That's terrible news. I thought we had finished with him and his boring angel story. So so disappointed. Next season will just be more of the same. I wonder what role he'll play. They've run out of things to make him do. Oh wait. he hasn't played a Christmas tree yet!
He's an angel I believe, or do you think the brothers are going to get separated and Castiel takes the place of one of them? Otherwise what place could he possibly have in the story-line?
It has already been foreshadowed that Cas's 'borrowed' grace is burning him out. So he will have to give it up, making him human again. Of course, their definition of 'regular' is not exactly a well defined variable, nor is their believability. I would prefer to hear more Crowley myself. ;)
A human Cas or a severely depowered Cas left behind on Earth. He wouldn't replace Sam or Dean. He'd likely have his own story and then spend time with them as well.
I was always a huge fan of Castiel but man the writing for his character has been all over the map the last few seasons. Was loving human Cas earlier this season but when he stole the grace he became a super boring character again. Then again, most character's writing has been all over the map too. Sam and Dean are barely recognizable at times, Crowley bored me during seasons 6 and 7 but I actually like the direction that he is in... SO FAR!
The timing of this makes me wonder if TPTB were considering splitting Castiel between the show and the spinoff if it was picked up... Knew he wasn't going anywhere anyway, but happy for the fans who were waiting for this confirmation. I like Cas enough himself but am really sick of the angel stuff, probably too much to hope for it to end anytime soon.
Not likely. Lots of contracts are being hammered out right now for next season on all the networks. I've seen 3 or 4 other "this person confirmed as regular next season" announcements around on shows that didn't have potential spin offs in the works. This decision would have been made weeks ago, and probably only got finalized in the last week. Long before Bloodlines was given the axe.
All that regular means is, they have 1st rights to him. He can not take any other jobs without permission from SPN. They could literally pay him the entire year to be in 1 episode if they felt like it....but unlikely they would. He'll probably be in 12-18 episodes.
Wish they could have waited until after the season finale to announce this. Sort of gives us an idea of how things are going to end. Though I am glad he is going to be back. I like the angel war storyline. Looking forward to final two episodes of the season and then frustration of waiting for the next season. I do wonder how he will fit into the canvas next season.
Cas was much more interesting in season 4 to a large degree because his purpose was to support the Winchesters' storyline (specifically Dean's post-Hell story). And even in season 5, he was supporting the Apocalypse storyline in which Sam and Dean were front and center. That doesn't mean he wasn't an interesting character on his own, but there wasn't the trend that we see now to give each support character their own developed arc. The fact that his character was more serious then, and written more consistently, didn't hurt either.
There are ways to integrate support characters into the Winchesters lives while still keeping them interesting (such as Bobby prior to season 7). The problem is that many of the current writers can't seem to let go of the idea that any support character is more interesting than Sam and Dean, and they're putting almost zero effort into moving Sam and Dean's character arcs moving forward (with the exception being Dean's arc this year, which got a lot of focus). There's been minimal focus on developing Sam's character since maybe the first half of season 5, and the few lame attempts this season were half-hearted and sloppily executed. On the other hand, Dean seems to be in a loop. He just keeps repeating the process of working through the same issues over and over again. For variety this year he seems to have inherited Sam's old issues and story.
In contrast, we've had coherent and developed character arcs for Cas, Charlie, Garth, Gadreel, Jody, and even for the Ghostbusters and Henry Winchester this year. Crowley had an arc too although I wouldn't call it coherent. Kevin, the exception, was mostly a plot device. This unfortunately causes fans to start turning against the guests rather than seeing the real problem, which is that many of the writers don't seem as interested as the fans in Sam and Dean.
I don't care about Cass as long as he is not in every episode but please, send away the angels storyline, I can't watch it anymore, I reached my limits. I am a big fan of the show but that's not supernatural anymore and if angels are still on board, I will stop watching. That will be it for me. Anyway, Sam and Dean are not the winchesters brothers anymore and only plot device for the guests.
In contrast, we've had coherent and developed character arcs for Cas, Charlie, Garth, Gadreel, Jody, and even for the Ghostbusters and Henry Winchester this year.
Henry was just in one episode to react (I liked his scenes, but it wasn't about him). The Ghostfacers were just there to mirror Sam and Dean. Garth mostly came back just to write him out. Ditto for Charlie (although they could both come back).
If anything I'd say the show has purged their supporting cast this season, only finding use for them when they provide story for Sam and Dean. The only exception was Jody. Even Crowley's story (which has been much better than anything he's had in ages, I admit) has mostly been about mirroring Dean.
Just look at where we're heading in the last few episodes. There is no one left in terms of allies, aside from Cas. Last season there was Charlie, Kevin, Garth (offcamera). All gone.
On the other hand, Dean over the past few years seems to be in a loop. He just keeps repeating the process of working through the same issues over and over again. For variety this year he seems to have inherited Sam's old issues and story.
I don't think he's inherited Sam's old issues. They were Dean's issues from the start of the show. John. Sam. Feeling worthless. Feeling like he's just a weapon. Having no identity outside of Sam.
I think Dean's story has been the strongest part of this season by a good mile.
This unfortunately causes fans to start turning against the guests rather than seeing the real problem, which is that many of the writers don't seem as interested as the fans in Sam and Dean.
Aside from Jody, who now gets fan hate because she isn't there just as the mother figure, most of the guest characters who were hated this season were already hated long before now.
Well, there are also fans who would be upset if Cas was gone even if they don't ship D/C (I don't really ship them that much not, and I'd be upset if Cas was just wiped out).
If they could work out something where Jimmy was back and had closure and a happy ending, I could support that. I wouldn't want Cas to just die though. Not after all the other deaths...
Relieved and thrilled with this news! I love Cas so much and have been increasingly worried about not hearing about his status for Season 10.
I really, really hope that he's in even more episodes of Season 10 than he was in Season 9. I'd love to see him with Dean and Sam more often too! The three of them together is the best, I love Team Free Will and Dean&Cas scenes so much!
I also really hope that Misha gets another opportunity to direct. He did an awesome job with his first episode and I know he's said that he really enjoyed doing it so I hope he gets a chance to do it again. I wish nothing but the best for that amazing, generous man.
I'll give you Henry, but regardless of the ulterior motives with the Ghostfacers' story, Charlie's story, and Garth's story, they still had character arcs when episodes this season are looked at in combination with episodes from previous seasons.
I'm sorry to hear Kim Rhodes gets hate mail. There are crazies in the fandom and I assure you I'm not one of them (I've never even tweeted a celebrity, even in a nice way), but that doesn't change my opinion that the focus over the past few years has been too much on the guests. I think if Sam and Dean both had stronger stories and arcs, a lot of that negative focus on the supporting characters would disperse. They're the leads and I think the priorities have been off. It's like a renovation project that focuses on the garden when the house's roof is caving in. To your point though, I do see some movement in this season in a positive direction. I just wish they hadn't ****ed up all attempts at telling a compelling and coherent story arc for Sam.
"There is no one left in terms of allies, aside from Cas."
You know, in the old days, there were allies including Ellen, Jo, Ash, and Bobby, who were there as support characters, were fun to watch, but didn't get the spotlight the moment they first appeared. They were there to support Sam and Dean's stories, and I'd love to see a return to that, which gets back to my original point which is that it's not the presence of guests or recurring characters that's the problem. It's that the focus is often in the wrong place.
"I don't think he's inherited Sam's old issues. They were Dean's issues from the start of the show. John. Sam. Feeling worthless. Feeling like he's just a weapon. Having no identity outside of Sam."
Yes, those are Dean's issues, but developing an addiction to power because he never had the chance for normal growing up is Sam's. The fact that you think Crowley's addiction to blood (Sam's signature story) mirrors Dean's story basically confirms to me the parallels between Dean's MoC story and Sam's demon blood story.
thanks I wanted to know but if he is going to be a regular he should do all 23 Ep right? and they said last season he was and only did 11 come on if he does 23 Eps that be good.
You make some good points, but to respond to a few:
"Charlie and Garth were polarizing and hated by many fans from day 1. So were the Ghostfacers."
I think Charlie and Garth were hated by many fans from day 1 largely for the reasons I've been stating in my post. The issues of worshipping guest stars started in season 7, I think with efforts to make Bobby smarter than both Sam and Dean and push the father angle - to the point where Sam and Dean couldn't work a simple witch case without calling Bobby for instructions - launched this trend. It continued with Slash Fiction, with Sam forgetting how to use a computer and both Sam and Dean unable to figure out how to go off the grid without help from Frank. We also saw the introduction of Garth and Charlie that season, who came with their own theme songs and were immediately portrayed as more capable than Sam and Dean. I don't know what people were saying about Ghostfacers when they were introduced, but I'm guessing it was different issues from another time.
"One of the reasons I compare Crowley and Dean is because we're seeing Crowley struggle with the consequences of gaining feelings, while Dean struggles with losing his."
Then why even create a blood addiction, if not to mirror Sam's storyline and imply that Dean is also going through a similar addiction process? Why not just write it so that Crowley was changed during the trials, and he's now finding himself struggling with human emotions seeping in? The blood addiction never even made any sense in Crowley's case.
"Now we seem to have some sort of weird situation where supporting characters have their own story arcs, so that Sam and Dean and their brotherly bond won't be affected, but the supporting characters are barely seen."
If the issue is as simple as all of the supporting characters getting killed off, the solution is easy - stop killing them. They don't need their own theme song and arc to stay alive.
"With Sam, they were trying to give about 5 different reasons for his season 4 behavior (it was Dean's fault, it was Ruby's fault, it was destiny, it was Sam's arrogance, it was Sam's self-loathing), and I thought it took a big tool on his character that he's never fully recovered from."
I liked season 5 Cas. A lot was humor, yes, but some of the best Cas moments came out of that time period. It was different then than it is now, when a lot of times Cas is written as stupid because someone thinks stupid = funny.
I actually share a lot of the same criticisms of the show, and agree Cas has been poorly written and that there have been problems with inserting his storyline into the show in the past few years.
I'd argue though that Cas was never meant to be like Bobby. He's a different character, and that's a good thing.
"Bobby had history with the Winchesters from way back, and I think they made a big mistake in killing him off"
I actually liked Bobby better before they inserted this implied father-son history as Sam and Dean were growing up. I thought the fact that he stepped in after their father died and played a significant role in that chapter of their lives was powerful enough, and it was moving in its own way because it established the idea that family doesn't stop at blood, and that there's hope even when your family dies.
For the same reason, I'm fine with Cas not having a history with Sam and Dean prior to season 4. That doesn't diminish anything at all.
Whether one saw him as a second father or as a close friend, Bobby had history with the Winchesters from way back, and I think they made a big mistake in killing him off, just as I feel the same about other characters like the charismatic Pamela or even Bela who could have made a female 'nemesis' for the brothers showing up now and then to exasperate them.
Bobby was 100% better as a character when he was just a hunter who had a difficult relationship with John and sort of knew Dean and Sam.
Bobby as their longtime father was such a bad idea, and it made his behavior toward them in seasons 5 and 6 even more awful.
As soon as Bobby gave that "suck it up, princess" speech, I was pretty much done with him, and the following seasons just made it worse and worse.
I agree with you he did a good job directing and hope he can do it again. But I really don't wish too see him in too many episodes. I am tired all the same old jokes and I am bored when he is on screen.
I don't know what people were saying about Ghostfacers when they were introduced, but I'm guessing it was different issues from another time.
The complaints about them were sort of like Charlie and Garth, that the show thought it was all about them, not about Sam and Dean.
Then why even create a blood addiction, if not to mirror Sam's storyline and imply that Dean is also going through a similar addiction process?
I don't think Crowley's story was as much about the blood aspect as it was about feeling emotions, and what feeling emotions would do to him. I think they also wanted to contrast someone gaining emotions to someone losing emotions.
If the issue is as simple as all of the supporting characters getting killed off, the solution is easy - stop killing them. They don't need their own theme song and arc to stay alive.
I agree, but I think that the show by season 7 had felt the cupboard was so bare, they needed to have a little more for the few new supporting recurring characters (and they were both played by semi-famous people, I guess).
I'm not sure if we'll ever get to go back to the early days of having people who just pop up to support Sam and Dean. Sometimes I wish we did, but then, the show made all those people into corpses for no real reason, so I think it taught viewers to not invest, which means the new characters who do appear briefly don't ever have the potential with fans that early characters might have had.
I do wish they'd try it. I'd love to see people like Aaron and the golem again. Yet I know if they do, I'll go online and see people saying they're taking over the show and this is about Dean and Sam. So...I don't know.
Well, that's your opinion but as for me, there is no such thing as too much Misha or too much Cas. If we could have him in every single episode, I'd be thrilled. Though I would love for him to be with Dean and Sam more often and have less time on his own.
But writers (two big offenders, Glass and Thompson) shouldn't be allowed to have so many episodes centered around their favorite guests.
Definitely, although I do think Thompson moved away from that somewhat this season (Glass had two episodes with characters he created, but I thought he handled everyone very well in Mother's Little Helper - even Sam). I do think that the disparate styles of writing have taken away from the show's identity. For instance, Robbie Thompson, even after 3 seasons, still doesn't seem like a SPN writer to me.
If I were in charge of this show one of the first things I'd ask for is a Sam POV episode.
With the way the writers have been treating his character, I can only assume Misha either loves his coworkers and the crew or he's scared he won't find another job... Poor, poor Castiel. So much potential, such a compelling character, but dear Chuck can somebody who actually likes Cas handle the few scenes he's in every once in a while???
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Not surprising. Happy for Misha! I just hope the writers have a decent story to keep Castiel around though.
ReplyDeleteThat makes me happy, he is like a honorary Winchester at this point
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine the show without him, but damn, they need end this angel-war storyline and find another way to make Cas useful and tied into the storyline that Sam and Dean exist in.
ReplyDeleteDidn't know there was a posibility of him not returning but if there was I'm glad he is.
ReplyDeleteExcellent news!
ReplyDeleteyes! :) I'm so happy:)
ReplyDeleteI can't agree with you any more than I already do.
ReplyDeleteAgree. I like Misha but hate most of Castiels stories except may be for season 4. I hope he will be assisting to boys (or worst case scenario to Sam getting Dean back from the dark side).
ReplyDeleteCan't say I'm surprised. I really think they need to introduce some new recurring characters though.
ReplyDelete...or what they call a "regular" nowadays.
ReplyDeletedoesn't matter really.he will probably appear in 10-12 episodes only.
ReplyDeleteIf he's back on the show in a decent role that matters to me. I loved some of his material this season, but some was just awful. They also need to work on pacing his appearances better.
ReplyDeleteThat's terrible news. I thought we had finished with him and his boring angel story. So so disappointed. Next season will just be more of the same. I wonder what role he'll play. They've run out of things to make him do. Oh wait. he hasn't played a Christmas tree yet!
ReplyDeleteHopefully the angel stuff is just about done.
ReplyDeleteHow can it be done if Castiel is still around?
ReplyDeleteHe's an angel I believe, or do you think the brothers are going to get separated and Castiel takes the place of one of them? Otherwise what place could he possibly have in the story-line?
Great news, I'm glad. :)
ReplyDeleteIt has already been foreshadowed that Cas's 'borrowed' grace is burning him out. So he will have to give it up, making him human again. Of course, their definition of 'regular' is not exactly a well defined variable, nor is their believability. I would prefer to hear more Crowley myself. ;)
ReplyDeleteDuh.
ReplyDeleteCool, I like Casteel.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I love Cas but I'm not really invested in the Angel War Storyline.
ReplyDeleteYay!!! So happy!
ReplyDeleteA human Cas or a severely depowered Cas left behind on Earth. He wouldn't replace Sam or Dean. He'd likely have his own story and then spend time with them as well.
ReplyDeleteSweet!
ReplyDeleteYes yes yes yes!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThat's great news! Just hope to see him in more eps in season 10! :)
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Not a fan. They need to make the character interesting again.
ReplyDeleteI was always a huge fan of Castiel but man the writing for his character has been all over the map the last few seasons. Was loving human Cas earlier this season but when he stole the grace he became a super boring character again. Then again, most character's writing has been all over the map too. Sam and Dean are barely recognizable at times, Crowley bored me during seasons 6 and 7 but I actually like the direction that he is in... SO FAR!
ReplyDeleteBest news I've heard all week
ReplyDeleteThe timing of this makes me wonder if TPTB were considering splitting Castiel between the show and the spinoff if it was picked up... Knew he wasn't going anywhere anyway, but happy for the fans who were waiting for this confirmation. I like Cas enough himself but am really sick of the angel stuff, probably too much to hope for it to end anytime soon.
ReplyDeletethey said that last season and look what happen. how many was he in?
ReplyDeleteThank God! Was seriously getting concerned that he would be killed off in the finale! Glad he's going to stick around for a while longer!
ReplyDeleteNot likely. Lots of contracts are being hammered out right now for next season on all the networks. I've seen 3 or 4 other "this person confirmed as regular next season" announcements around on shows that didn't have potential spin offs in the works.
ReplyDeleteThis decision would have been made weeks ago, and probably only got finalized in the last week. Long before Bloodlines was given the axe.
All that regular means is, they have 1st rights to him.
ReplyDeleteHe can not take any other jobs without permission from SPN.
They could literally pay him the entire year to be in 1 episode if they felt like it....but unlikely they would. He'll probably be in 12-18 episodes.
Or Cas is gone and Jimmy Novak reigns.
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The only reason he was in more episodes in season 5 was because that whole storyline was ramping up.
Wish they could have waited until after the season finale to announce this. Sort of gives us an idea of how things are going to end. Though I am glad he is going to be back. I like the angel war storyline. Looking forward to final two episodes of the season and then frustration of waiting for the next season. I do wonder how he will fit into the canvas next season.
ReplyDeleteFigured, but yay!
ReplyDeleteCas was much more interesting in season 4 to a large degree because his purpose was to support the Winchesters' storyline (specifically Dean's post-Hell story). And even in season 5, he was supporting the Apocalypse storyline in which Sam and Dean were front and center. That doesn't mean he wasn't an interesting character on his own, but there wasn't the trend that we see now to give each support character their own developed arc. The fact that his character was more serious then, and written more consistently, didn't hurt either.
ReplyDeleteThere are ways to integrate support characters into the Winchesters lives while still keeping them interesting (such as Bobby prior to season 7). The problem is that many of the current writers can't seem to let go of the idea that any support character is more interesting than Sam and Dean, and they're putting almost zero effort into moving Sam and Dean's character arcs moving forward (with the exception being Dean's arc this year, which got a lot of focus). There's been minimal focus on developing Sam's character since maybe the first half of season 5, and the few lame attempts this season were half-hearted and sloppily executed. On the other hand, Dean seems to be in a loop. He just keeps repeating the process of working through the same issues over and over again. For variety this year he seems to have inherited Sam's old issues and story.
ReplyDeleteIn contrast, we've had coherent and developed character arcs for Cas, Charlie, Garth, Gadreel, Jody, and even for the Ghostbusters and Henry Winchester this year. Crowley had an arc too although I wouldn't call it coherent. Kevin, the exception, was mostly a plot device. This unfortunately causes fans to start turning against the guests rather than seeing the real problem, which is that many of the writers don't seem as interested as the fans in Sam and Dean.
I don't care about Cass as long as he is not in every episode but please, send away the angels storyline, I can't watch it anymore, I reached my limits.
ReplyDeleteI am a big fan of the show but that's not supernatural anymore and if angels are still on board, I will stop watching. That will be it for me. Anyway, Sam and Dean are not the winchesters brothers anymore and only plot device for the guests.
This is good news! I'm glad of this news!
ReplyDeleteIn contrast, we've had coherent and developed character arcs for Cas, Charlie, Garth, Gadreel, Jody, and even for the Ghostbusters and Henry Winchester this year.
ReplyDeleteHenry was just in one episode to react (I liked his scenes, but it wasn't about him). The Ghostfacers were just there to mirror Sam and Dean. Garth mostly came back just to write him out. Ditto for Charlie (although they could both come back).
If anything I'd say the show has purged their supporting cast this season, only finding use for them when they provide story for Sam and Dean. The only exception was Jody. Even Crowley's story (which has been much better than anything he's had in ages, I admit) has mostly been about mirroring Dean.
Just look at where we're heading in the last few episodes. There is no one left in terms of allies, aside from Cas. Last season there was Charlie, Kevin, Garth (offcamera). All gone.
On the other hand, Dean over the past few years seems to be in a loop. He just keeps repeating the process of working through the same issues over and over again. For variety this year he seems to have inherited Sam's old issues and story.
I don't think he's inherited Sam's old issues. They were Dean's issues from the start of the show. John. Sam. Feeling worthless. Feeling like he's just a weapon. Having no identity outside of Sam.
I think Dean's story has been the strongest part of this season by a good mile.
This unfortunately causes fans to start turning against the guests rather than seeing the real problem, which is that many of the writers don't seem as interested as the fans in Sam and Dean.
Aside from Jody, who now gets fan hate because she isn't there just as the mother figure, most of the guest characters who were hated this season were already hated long before now.
I do wonder if they will do that, although there will be a crapstorm if that happens...
ReplyDelete(I always liked Jimmy though)
Well, there are also fans who would be upset if Cas was gone even if they don't ship D/C (I don't really ship them that much not, and I'd be upset if Cas was just wiped out).
ReplyDeleteIf they could work out something where Jimmy was back and had closure and a happy ending, I could support that. I wouldn't want Cas to just die though. Not after all the other deaths...
I'm not thinking death, but back up in Heaven.
ReplyDeleteRelieved and thrilled with this news! I love Cas so much and have been increasingly worried about not hearing about his status for Season 10.
ReplyDeleteI really, really hope that he's in even more episodes of Season 10 than he was in Season 9. I'd love to see him with Dean and Sam more often too! The three of them together is the best, I love Team Free Will and Dean&Cas scenes so much!
I also really hope that Misha gets another opportunity to direct. He did an awesome job with his first episode and I know he's said that he really enjoyed doing it so I hope he gets a chance to do it again. I wish nothing but the best for that amazing, generous man.
If there's a door open for him to come back I'd be more OK with it. I do wonder if Jimmy's still there though...
ReplyDeleteI'll give you Henry, but regardless of the ulterior motives with the Ghostfacers' story, Charlie's story, and Garth's story, they still had character arcs when episodes this season are looked at in combination with episodes from previous seasons.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to hear Kim Rhodes gets hate mail. There are crazies in the fandom and I assure you I'm not one of them (I've never even tweeted a celebrity, even in a nice way), but that doesn't change my opinion that the focus over the past few years has been too much on the guests. I think if Sam and Dean both had stronger stories and arcs, a lot of that negative focus on the supporting characters would disperse. They're the leads and I think the priorities have been off. It's like a renovation project that focuses on the garden when the house's roof is caving in. To your point though, I do see some movement in this season in a positive direction. I just wish they hadn't ****ed up all attempts at telling a compelling and coherent story arc for Sam.
"There is no one left in terms of allies, aside from Cas."
You know, in the old days, there were allies including Ellen, Jo, Ash, and Bobby, who were there as support characters, were fun to watch, but didn't get the spotlight the moment they first appeared. They were there to support Sam and Dean's stories, and I'd love to see a return to that, which gets back to my original point which is that it's not the presence of guests or recurring characters that's the problem. It's that the focus is often in the wrong place.
"I don't think he's inherited Sam's old issues. They were Dean's issues from the start of the show. John. Sam. Feeling worthless. Feeling like he's just a weapon. Having no identity outside of Sam."
Yes, those are Dean's issues, but developing an addiction to power because he never had the chance for normal growing up is Sam's. The fact that you think Crowley's addiction to blood (Sam's signature story) mirrors Dean's story basically confirms to me the parallels between Dean's MoC story and Sam's demon blood story.
thanks I wanted to know but if he is going to be a regular he should do all 23 Ep right? and they said last season he was and only did 11 come on if he does 23 Eps that be good.
ReplyDeleteIt really just means the show gets first dibs on him, so they don't have to work around his schedule if he decides to guest on another show.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about good, he should be in the episode as the story dictates it, no more no less.
You make some good points, but to respond to a few:
ReplyDelete"Charlie and Garth were polarizing and hated by many fans from day 1. So were the Ghostfacers."
I think Charlie and Garth were hated by many fans from day 1 largely for the reasons I've been stating in my post. The issues of worshipping guest stars started in season 7, I think with efforts to make Bobby smarter than both Sam and Dean and push the father angle - to the point where Sam and Dean couldn't work a simple witch case without calling Bobby for instructions - launched this trend. It continued with Slash Fiction, with Sam forgetting how to use a computer and both Sam and Dean unable to figure out how to go off the grid without help from Frank. We also saw the introduction of Garth and Charlie that season, who came with their own theme songs and were immediately portrayed as more capable than Sam and Dean. I don't know what people were saying about Ghostfacers when they were introduced, but I'm guessing it was different issues from another time.
"One of the reasons I compare Crowley and Dean is because we're seeing Crowley struggle with the consequences of gaining feelings, while Dean struggles with losing his."
Then why even create a blood addiction, if not to mirror Sam's storyline and imply that Dean is also going through a similar addiction process? Why not just write it so that Crowley was changed during the trials, and he's now finding himself struggling with human emotions seeping in? The blood addiction never even made any sense in Crowley's case.
"Now we seem to have some sort of weird situation where supporting characters have their own story arcs, so that Sam and Dean and their brotherly bond won't be affected, but the supporting characters are barely seen."
If the issue is as simple as all of the supporting characters getting killed off, the solution is easy - stop killing them. They don't need their own theme song and arc to stay alive.
"With Sam, they were trying to give about 5 different reasons for his season 4 behavior (it was Dean's fault, it was Ruby's fault, it was destiny, it was Sam's arrogance, it was Sam's self-loathing), and I thought it took a big tool on his character that he's never fully recovered from."
Agree with this.
I liked season 5 Cas. A lot was humor, yes, but some of the best Cas moments came out of that time period. It was different then than it is now, when a lot of times Cas is written as stupid because someone thinks stupid = funny.
ReplyDeleteI actually share a lot of the same criticisms of the show, and agree Cas has been poorly written and that there have been problems with inserting his storyline into the show in the past few years.
ReplyDeleteI'd argue though that Cas was never meant to be like Bobby. He's a different character, and that's a good thing.
"Bobby had history with the Winchesters from way back, and I think they made a big mistake in killing him off"
I actually liked Bobby better before they inserted this implied father-son history as Sam and Dean were growing up. I thought the fact that he stepped in after their father died and played a significant role in that chapter of their lives was powerful enough, and it was moving in its own way because it established the idea that family doesn't stop at blood, and that there's hope even when your family dies.
For the same reason, I'm fine with Cas not having a history with Sam and Dean prior to season 4. That doesn't diminish anything at all.
Whether one saw him as a second father or as a close friend, Bobby had history with the Winchesters from way back, and I think they made a big mistake in killing him off, just as I feel the same about other characters like the charismatic Pamela or even Bela who could have made a female 'nemesis' for the brothers showing up now and then to exasperate them.
ReplyDeleteBobby was 100% better as a character when he was just a hunter who had a difficult relationship with John and sort of knew Dean and Sam.
Bobby as their longtime father was such a bad idea, and it made his behavior toward them in seasons 5 and 6 even more awful.
As soon as Bobby gave that "suck it up, princess" speech, I was pretty much done with him, and the following seasons just made it worse and worse.
I agree with you he did a good job directing and hope he can do it again.
ReplyDeleteBut I really don't wish too see him in too many episodes. I am tired all the same old jokes and I am bored when he is on screen.
I don't know what people were saying about Ghostfacers when they were introduced, but I'm guessing it was different issues from another time.
ReplyDeleteThe complaints about them were sort of like Charlie and Garth, that the show thought it was all about them, not about Sam and Dean.
Then why even create a blood addiction, if not to mirror Sam's storyline and imply that Dean is also going through a similar addiction process?
I don't think Crowley's story was as much about the blood aspect as it was about feeling emotions, and what feeling emotions would do to him. I think they also wanted to contrast someone gaining emotions to someone losing emotions.
If the issue is as simple as all of the supporting characters getting killed off, the solution is easy - stop killing them. They don't need their own theme song and arc to stay alive.
I agree, but I think that the show by season 7 had felt the cupboard was so bare, they needed to have a little more for the few new supporting recurring characters (and they were both played by semi-famous people, I guess).
I'm not sure if we'll ever get to go back to the early days of having people who just pop up to support Sam and Dean. Sometimes I wish we did, but then, the show made all those people into corpses for no real reason, so I think it taught viewers to not invest, which means the new characters who do appear briefly don't ever have the potential with fans that early characters might have had.
I do wish they'd try it. I'd love to see people like Aaron and the golem again. Yet I know if they do, I'll go online and see people saying they're taking over the show and this is about Dean and Sam. So...I don't know.
Well, that's your opinion but as for me, there is no such thing as too much Misha or too much Cas. If we could have him in every single episode, I'd be thrilled. Though I would love for him to be with Dean and Sam more often and have less time on his own.
ReplyDeleteBut writers (two big offenders, Glass and Thompson) shouldn't be allowed to have so many episodes centered around their favorite guests.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely, although I do think Thompson moved away from that somewhat this season (Glass had two episodes with characters he created, but I thought he handled everyone very well in Mother's Little Helper - even Sam). I do think that the disparate styles of writing have taken away from the show's identity. For instance, Robbie Thompson, even after 3 seasons, still doesn't seem like a SPN writer to me.
If I were in charge of this show one of the first things I'd ask for is a Sam POV episode.
I'd give Glass the Abaddon episode as a Sam and Dean one too. I was speaking mostly of seasons 7 & 8 with that line.
ReplyDeleteGood news!!!
ReplyDeleteWith the way the writers have been treating his character, I can only assume Misha either loves his coworkers and the crew or he's scared he won't find another job... Poor, poor Castiel. So much potential, such a compelling character, but dear Chuck can somebody who actually likes Cas handle the few scenes he's in every once in a while???
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