I found some good in this episode. Among it some closure for Kevin’s death and Mrs. Tran’s mysterious disappearance, realistic writing of Sam and Dean’s issues, and hints of a direction forming for Cas’s story arc. On the other hand, there were flaws – the biggest one being what seemed like a substantial rewrite of history around Cas’s season six battles with Raphael.
First, let me say it was nice to see Kevin again. I still wish they hadn’t killed him off, but I’m glad they gave him and his mom some closure. We may still see them again, but if we don’t, that will be okay now too. Sam and Dean also got some closure on the guilt they’ve been carrying around about Kevin’s death – Sam probably more so than Dean. Wouldn’t it be nice if in the real world we got to see people who are unexpectedly killed one last time to say goodbye and see that they’re OK?
This was also a strong Cas episode. Our angel warrior came face to face with a character that’s been passing, up to this point, as one of the big bads in the angel storyline – and we learned Cas and Bartholomew had a history. We also saw Cas’s new resolve to not get pulled back into old patterns of justifying the means by the ends. Cas had an opportunity to partner with Bartholomew and gain a big strategic advantage in his mission to take down Metatron, but didn’t take it. Cas also had the opportunity to kill Bartholomew, but didn’t take that either until he was forced to act in self-defense.
The other part to this episode, which too much of the fandom is talking about, is the continued tension between Sam and Dean. They’re both still resentful and undercutting each other at every turn. But one thing I noticed and found interesting is that Sam’s two big jabs at Dean were around Crowley. By this I mean Sam’s crack about Crowley “not being that into you” and his snarky comment about giving Crowley a medal after Dean suggested that Crowley wasn’t behind Candy’s murder.
Whereas Sam is barely batting an eye at Dean’s other snipes, he’s responding to Dean’s new trust in Crowley. And this makes some sense given the history, and may be a clue to what’s going on in Sam’s head. Sam’s reactions could point to old resentments in the way Dean came down so hard on Sam about working with Ruby. Or his reaction could also be practical in nature. Crowley is NOT trustworthy, has proven that over and over again, including too recently killing Sarah Blake. Sam’s a smart hunter and this may be concern over seeing Dean fall into a too-often repeated habit of the Winchesters of justifying the means by the ends – the means being climbing into bed with the enemy.
Another comment worth mentioning is Kevin’s plea to Sam and Dean to get over it. Kevin says:
“Can you two... Get over it? Dudes, just 'cause you couldn't see me doesn't mean I couldn't see you. The drama, the fighting. It's stupid. My mom's taking home a ghost. You two – you’re both still here.”I may be reading too much in here, but the writers on occasion speak to the fandom through the dialogue, and I couldn’t help thinking that this could be interpreted in a second way. It could be writer Robert Berens saying to the fans about the fandom’s Sam-vs-Dean fighting: “We hear you. Stop fighting. It’s stupid. The show’s still here.” Just speculating here, but it would be funny if it was intended with a secondary meaning.
The Highlights
A quick plot summary – Sam and Dean realize they have a ghost in the bunker, and the ghost is Kevin. Succeeding in speaking with Kevin, they learn Heaven is shut off for all newly dead people and that Kevin has learned through another ghost that his mother is still alive and in Wichita, Kansas. Sam and Dean rescue Mrs. Tran from a storage container where she was being held by Crowley and another demon. Kevin, tied to his father’s ring, departs the bunker with his mom. Meanwhile, Cas meets up with and kills Bartholomew and is nominated new angel faction leader by a few of Bartholomew’s followers.The Good
This may be an unpopular reaction, but I’m still glad that the emotional repercussions of the Gadreel possession haven’t been swept under the rug yet. However, where I hesitate in saying this is that there doesn’t appear to be much movement here. There needs to be learning at the end of this arc, and we should be seeing Sam and Dean each gradually working through their own issues so that we can get to a point where an eventual reconciliation is earned. Instead, they’re both bottling everything up, not even talking to third parties about it. This resolution should not be arrived at by default without growth because the brothers are just too exhausted to fight anymore.I usually don’t include the monster monologuing under the good category, but the twist of this week’s baddie being a disgruntled demon intern who reported to Crowley made it kind of funny. Oh, the days of being an intern!
Something I loved seeing was Sam being the one paired with the more important guest this week and having the emotional scene of telling Mrs. Tran that Kevin had died. It was a nice change and good to see some recognition on the part of the writers that Sam also needs emotional closure to the things that happen.
Also good, Cas’s storyline was compelling, and we saw hints of a character path for Cas that I think might actually stick. Cas appears to be the best leader for the angels, and it would be a fitting close to the character’s arc to see him someday take all of the lessons he’s learned about choice, humanity, and family, and meld that with the angels’ ways to launch a new era for Heaven.
The Bad
While I liked the general direction of where Cas seems to be headed, my head with swimming with the inconsistencies in the backstory. For example, Bartholomew says: “ Our leaders wanted those captives killed, and they knew you'd stand in the way of their order. Said you didn't have it in you. That you couldn't do what needed to be done. But I know different. I know you've changed.”Who were their leaders? Cas was portrayed as being the leader in the war against Raphael, not a general who reported to someone else.
And then there’s this line from Cas: “I was never free to leave. My only choice was to obey or be killed. Well, I choose.”
Wait … What?? What is he talking about here? We’ve been led to believe that Cas followed orders only until near the end of season 4, when he rebelled. He’s been his own boss since then. I’m reading this line as relating back to the angels killed in battle against Raphael, or as referring to Cas’s murderous rampage after he defeated Raphael and became a god. Both either way, he wasn’t reporting to anyone.
The “Huh?”
I have a few very small points to add here, in addition to what was noted above with the problems with Cas’s war history.First, how did Candy get out of that foot chain so fast when she made her escape? It looks like she just brushed aside the restraint like it wasn’t locked.
Second question is what happened to Jerome? He was the person who we were told was being held in the third locker. I guess we need to assume he was already gone, but it was odd that there was no mention of him during the rescue. It looked a little like Sam and Dean left him there without looking for him because they found what they went there for –Mrs. Tran – and have stopped saving random innocents.
Also, a line of dialogue from Dean left me scratching my head. To Sam’s suggestion that the ghost may have been a Man of Letters, Dean responded: “I mean, we're the first people to occupy this place in 50 years. Why would a ghost wait so long to get its spook on?” Maybe because it’s canon that ghosts don’t start angry but gradually become angrier the more time they spend left behind? And who’s to say the ghost wasn’t there all along when the place was unoccupied?
So what did you think of this week? What did you think of the return of Kevin Tran and Cas's new direction?



Thanks for the review.
ReplyDeleteI really hope you right about this between-the-lines massage to fandom to stop fighting. It is stupid indeed. Lets hear the rest of the story before throwing stones at the writers.
I loved Laura's performance. I could feel every emotion she portrayed, she made me believe in her pain and sorrow and love. Well done.
Dean in the beginning and in the end of the episode. So different. Seems like guilt and depression slowly transforming into the annoyance and anger.
Sam start to show signs of hesitation. He misses Dean.
Castiel's story made me yawn. I lost track long time ago of who is fighting whom and what's the point. Too many tribes, too many leaders. Lets move those angels to Chicago and make them part of spinoff. Blah.
Good performance from both J2. That's why I am going to stick with this show till the end: week plots and bad dialogs, but those to actors keep delivering all the time. It is well known fact that Jensen can have chemistry even with door knob, and we've got another proof in this episode: Dean talks to coffee machine and we all start sobbing uncontrollably. Ugh.
"Why would a ghost wait so long to get its spook on?"
ReplyDeleteI think he just meant that if a ghost had been there when they moved in, why did it wait until now to start haunting them.
Unfortunately,whether I'm right or not to read more into the message, it's not going to affect the fandom fighting. It seems like it's been out of control lately. Maybe it's always been, but it didn't use to be as bad on this website. I'm hoping the message isn't that Sam and Dean will stop fighting when the fandom stops fighting. :(
ReplyDeleteFunny comment about Dean and coffee maker! Thanks for the comments, and nice to hear your thoughts on the episode.
OK, maybe, but with his reference of 50 years I took it to mean that he thought the ghost would have moved on or something just because the place was vacant. The comment just didn't make much sense to me.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad about Cas, he's going to save heaven, I hope.
ReplyDeleteThat line about obey or be killed was about what Bart told him earlier in their talk, that he was free to go and he wasn't Bart's prisoner.
I think Sam's jabs about Crowley are more from his jealousy to see Dean worked w/ some one other than him. He's seeing it as Dean left him and trusted another person, and that a demon, to be his partner. He's now thinking first it was an angel, then a vampire, now a demon that took his place.
Dean had worked w/ Crowley in S5 to stop apocalypse, and then they both worked w/ him in S7, there was never a doubt that they were not to trust him before. Dean still knows how wicked Crowley is and has his eyes open, the only difference this time is Sam was not present and didn't give his approval when Dean and Crowley went on a big hunt together.
Also this case is way different from Ruby's case in which Sam lied and hided his relationship w/ her and actually trusted her to the extend he killed an innocent girl.
Thanks for the review.
I agree that Cas was talking about Bartholomew.
ReplyDeleteThey really should have specified about Jerome in the episode, even one line, because it is kind of ridiculous that we didn't hear it.
Great review. Very balanced. I'm glad you pointed out that Sam got to have a key emotional moment with Linda, which is very rare. I thought Jared did a great job with that scene. Lauren Tom just blew me away. In the past Linda had been somewhat caricatured, but they finally wrote her as a real human being here. I agree that Sam is likely bothered by Dean working with Crowley. I wish the writers remembered Sarah's murder.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the detailed response!
ReplyDeleteAgree that the first quote refers to the beginning part of the war, some action before season 6 starts, but in the flasbacks of The Man Who Would Be King, it's revealed that Cas wasn't just fighting in a war that other angels had started - he had started it himself upon Crowley's encouragement, partly out of pride, partly out of fear that Raphael would let out Michael and Lucifer, and partly because he was attempting to apply free will to the angels. It made a direct connection between Sam and Dean and what was going on in Heaven because Cas is applying Winchester logic to the situation in Heaven. If Cas was reporting to someone else at this time - that is a big rewrite because it negates Cas's season 6 role in starting the civil war.
On the free to leave quote, this is a longer section of the transcript:
BARTHOLOMEW: Our leaders wanted those captives killed, and
they knew you'd stand in the way of their order. Said you didn't have it in
you. That you couldn't do what needed to be done. But I know different. I know
you've changed.
CASTIEL: I'm not a murderer.
BARTHOLOMEW: You weren't. Not then. But since then, you've slaughtered thousands of angels. You killed Malachi's man for his Grace.
CASTIEL: Who I was, what I did, that's not who I am.
BARTHOLOMEW: No? Then who are you? I want to work with you, Castiel, but I need proof. They need proof that they were wrong. That you can do what has to be done. This has to be done.
CASTIEL: I was never free to leave. My only choice was to obey or be killed. Well, I
choose.
It's not really clear what they're talking about, but Cas seems to be referring to some past killing of angels - either on the battlefield or when he became god. My point was that he really was a free agent from the time he first joined up with Sam and Dean at the end of season 4. I don't see this line as talking about Bartholomew holding him captive when looking at it in context.
The Candy part was filmed to make it look like she got away seconds after knocking out her captor and not that she spent time looking around for keys to unlock herself - so it's a nitpicky point, but one that bugged me.
On Jerome, I agree with what Peter said. Jerome wasn't important, and this falls under minor nitpicking, but one line about him would have closed that loop.
Thanks for the comments. I really liked that scene too. Dean has great chemistry with the guests, but Sam really does too. We used to see so much more of it in the earlier seasons, but those small moments are necessary for the audience to relate to a character. Also agree that Lauren Tom did a great job.
ReplyDeleteNice review and thoughtfully putting weight on each point.
ReplyDeleteGood point about Sam getting some emotional closure with Mrs. Tran. I am not sure that it was closure on the issue, but it was a good scene. Personally, I'm not invested in the Trans or Cas and his growth into 'maturity.' It was there, and that's okay, but it didn't make the episode interesting for me. When Cas is in scenes alone, I find my mind wanders or I start doing something else. As to the "huh" moment; yeah, I noticed that, but it's not worth me thinking about.
As to the fan division, the narrative encourages the fan's becoming entrenched in their favorite character to keep the buzz going. I attribute that to needing to be there to keep interest in the season, because after a bunch of interesting stories were introduced, there has been no middle follow-through on any of them. That leaves the fans with nothing to talk about, except which character did what to the other and the justifications for those views. I find myself not caring about that much these days. I am interested in seeing what these writers have planned for Dean's character -- whether they will further tear that apart. Sam is already ruined for me, and I can't see myself ever getting invested in him again. Narratively speaking, the most logical thing is for the brothers to be split up, and Carver is never going to do that again, so how their latest "feelings" story works out doesn't interest me beyond what the plan is for Dean's character. I just hope that there is a few action scenes in the upcoming episodes. I am ready for action -- not hurt feelings. At this point, I don't even know how the Winchesters fit into the overall scheme of things.
Thanks for commenting. I'm not as opposed to the conflict as I think many fans are, because when you take a step back and look at the two of them, they get along great about 90% of the time. They're so much closer than most real-life siblings, and I believe the foundation of their relationship mutual support. That doesn't mean they're not going to fight or clash at times, but they're mostly there for each other when they need it. Many other shows have their characters acting much more destructively toward each other. I don't know if you watch The Originals, but look at the family relations there. Yet I'm still cheering when the siblings come together.
ReplyDeleteI think much of the SPN fandom is super-protective of their favorites, to the point where if their character's feeling are hurt or they are in the slightest bit disrespected on the show, the fans arm up to go into battle. While the protectiveness is nice, the level of fighting in comments sections is not. And fans are ultimately responsible for their own behavior and can't blame the show on it.
I hear what you're saying about there being not much to focus on with Sam and Dean other than fighting, and I agree that's a huge problem. Too many of the bigger stories barely even touch Sam and Dean these days, and the so called "stories" they get are mostly family issues or emotional issues - important in rounding out the character, but not a main story. When bigger storylines do touch Sam and Dean, they either dragged on so long with little movement or are dropped before they reach a satisfactory conclusion. And this is an issue with both Sam and Dean. While some fans are only watching for Dean, others are only watching for Sam, so the show needs to a better job on focusing on both. It's really just about personal preference and which character you can identify with more.
If I may chime in, I actually didn't have a problem with the dialogue between Castiel and Bartholomew because it doesn't really contradict season six at all:
ReplyDelete"BARTHOLOMEW: Madness, wasn't it? A puny force of 20 behind enemy lines, launching an incursion against Raphael and his loyalists.
CASTIEL: It was a calculated risk.
BARTHOLOMEW: I thought you'd gone insane, and I questioned your leadership, second-guessed every step of the campaign. But you were my commander. I held my tongue. I followed orders. Raphael fled. Most of his loyalists, dead or captured. Your gambit paid off. You...Won.
CASTIEL: We won.
BARTHOLOMEW: Word of your victory spread. You got called back to the garrison. You became the great Castiel... While I stayed behind, just a grunt."
The last quote by Bartholomew makes it seem like this was from the very beginning, perhaps as seen in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" when Castiel went straight to Raphael after receiving those souls from Crowley because it said Cas then got called back to the garrison. I don't think in any other time would Cas be called back to the garrison unless it was early in the game some time after season five when things were just trying to shift back to order after the collapse of the Apocalypse. Plus, even then, perhaps angels still didn't mind killing because as soon as Castiel became a general of sorts in that long angelic civil war, even his commanders were against of anything that was against what the good angels believed; look at Rachel who seemed to have hated what Castiel had become in "Frontierland".
"CASTIEL: You gained a reputation for yourself, as well. The captives I left in your care, you tortured and killed them.
BARTHOLOMEW: I was ordered to kill those captives. You've been flying solo for so long, you've forgotten that's what angels do. We follow orders.
CASTIEL :Not you, though. Not anymore."
Again, I think this goes back to where ever Bartholomew was when Castiel got called back to the garrison. If we line this with how Bartholomew was also Naomi's protege of sorts, then Bartholomew could've been in a prison of sorts for other angels where Bartholomew was then ordered to torture and kill said prisoners. Would've been cool to hear some sort of tie in of maybe Bartholomew was one of the angels that had tortured Gadreel in the past.
Hi, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I actually don't have an issue with the lines that you quoted in your post. I think they fit. It was the two sections that I mentioned in my article, which I elaborated more on in another post on this thread, that imply that Cas was reporting to someone during the war - in other words, he wasn't the angel in charge after he went back to Raphael with the souls and instigated the rebellion. I just can't make those two lines fit what we were told happened in The Man Who Would Be King.
ReplyDeleteIt was a nice episode.
ReplyDeleteI am glad we got to see more of Kevin and Mrs Tran. Hopefully we will still see them further down the track. I almost thought that dialogue from Kevin was directed to the fans. If that was the case I don't find it insulting. Besides it was nice to see Kevin is not avengeful and reuinited with his mum.
I was thinking all the way through with Cas this episode he should be the leader. I was slightly concerned they would trick Cas into joining them but I'm glad Cas still have morals :)
I think Cas will haveto be the leader because of his experiences and the angel politics are not very kind. I think he will only have a small group of followers but it wouldn't surprise if he ended up basically ruling the whole gang. Crowley certaintly won't be liking that!.
And on top of all of this the boys are fighting :(
They had almost looked like to apologise at the end but they are not quite there yet. I think in the mix of the Sam and Gadreel situation and Dean and Crowley they seem to be a bit flat. Eventually they will haveto talk things out!. They are going to haveto use their negativity to battle with the angels hopefully they track down Gadreel for startes to set things straight. I think this storyline will be on wait for a little while as well as Dean's Cain thing.
Despite their differences at least they are still doing the good hunter teamwork and I think they are both going to agree with each other when it comes down to the ghostfacers :)
This fandom always fight. And always will. May be that is the secret of shows longevity - over-the-top engagement. Whatever people feel - they feel something. I gave up on super-mega-hit WD this season because I wasn't able to sympathize to any of the characters. I just found myself not caring if they dead or alive.
ReplyDeleteToo bad that unhappiness with story line overshadowing real gems we still have here. 30 seconds of ending scene with Dean staring into emptiness with his arms crossed was more emotional for me, then expensive,action packed WD hour of television. Go figure.
But then I am glass-half-full kind of person.
When Cas is in scenes alone, I find my mind wanders or I start doing something else.
ReplyDeleteThis happens to me too. In fact, my mind wandered so much this past week that I missed huge parts of Cas's conversation w/Bart. I believe I was playing around on the Internet when the episode aired, so I'm guessing my attention turned to that during the Cas scenes. I don't remember his conversation w/Bart or what they talked about. I just remember him killing Bart. I actually like Cas, but for whatever reason, I find the standalone angel arcs to be boring beyond belief.
And you're also right about their being ZERO to very little movement on the several arcs the writers threw out there. The only arc that was resolved was the possession one. We were led to believe the fallen angels would be important this year, and nothing has happened w/that. So, some angels fell. Who cares? Abbadon - where is she? What's up w/the MOC? And I can't forget that Sam was supposed to be on a "demon curing kick" this year, but that NEVER happened.
This season is a mess, IMO.
Sorry about not reading the other posts on here, lol, but I just did and while you may have a point about it rewriting certain history, I don't think it's really clear if what Castiel and Bart were talking about stated Cas had someone in charge of him. There were also talks of those captives, and there could have been other generals that wanted to kill Raphael's loyalists, much like, perhaps Naomi for example. All of this could've and should've been elaborated on, but that's what I took out of the conversation between the two angels, especially when earlier in the season, we are told that Bart was Naomi's protege.
ReplyDeleteThey showed that Candy had gotten free of her leg chain before she attacked Del. She must have been able to pick it with something, like how Linda was filing away at her locks with a screw.
ReplyDelete"Our leaders wanted those captives killed, and they knew you'd stand in
ReplyDeletethe way of their order. Said you didn't have it in you. That you
couldn't do what needed to be done. But I know different. I know you've
changed.”
I admit I was kind of taken aback by this, considering Castiel went into heaven and slaughtered every angel who didn't back him against Raphael. The two just don't go together.
Oh, Robert Berens said Jerome, the third captive was rescued off screen and is safe and sound, presumably never to be heard of again. He said they didn't have time to show the rescue. They should have just made it two captives Candy and Mrs. Tran. But changing the word three to two was too much work, I guess. That kind of sloppiness bothers me.
ReplyDeleteThat was at the end of the war. In this instance it makes it seem like they are talking about an earlier, possibly one of the first battles in it.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. It wasn't significant, but these little details can leave the episode feeling unfinished.
ReplyDeleteGlad you enjoyed the episode. This wasn't one that stood out to me much, but it moved some parts along and had some good sections. Thanks for the comments!
ReplyDeleteWe don't know much about the angel wars - so most of that backstory is still open to be written (if it merits covering). I only focused on a couple of points that seemed to directly contradict what was a major point of Cas's season 6 story, which was that he started everything. But anyway, thanks for commenting!
ReplyDeleteReally? I love TWD so much! You have to give it another shot. Haha!
ReplyDeleteTo each their own I suppose. I actually found those lines to fit in line with events that could have happened pre-season six with the angelic civil war that was going on before the season even started, but again, to each their own. I do appreciate such a positive review from you for the episode though. I enjoy commenting to something that isn't negative from beginning to end.
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