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23 Feb 2014

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41 comments:

  1. Juliet24 February 2014 at 01:17

    Sandi, I saw the preview. Now, I know what you meant! However, I would have preferred to get scenes with D'Artagnan and Constance with the baby as a sort of foreshadowing for them in a way. :)


    Are you able to say if there will be at least some D'Artagnan/Constance moments in episode 6? :) Without of course telling us what they are. But more of telling us if they'll interact with each other at all?


    Thanks again for all your info!!!

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  2. Patrick Maloney24 February 2014 at 05:51

    Great

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  3. Sandi24 February 2014 at 10:48

    Can't really until the embargo's lifted tomorrow, so prob best to keep it until the preview is up :)
    Do you think Constance and D'Artagnan will have a relationship then, or will they stick to how it is in the books?

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  4. Sandi24 February 2014 at 10:56

    I thought this was a good episode, it did drag in places a little for me but over all it wasn't bad. None of the regular female cast made it which was a bit odd, thou I guess that did give the guys a chance to show how much they work as a unit. I thought using Charon as a mirror for Pothos worked well, both had worked just as hard dragging themselves up from their crappy starts in life, it's just that one did so with honour and one without, and I'm glad that Porthos could not bring himself to kill his old friend no matter what in the end.

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  5. swanpride24 February 2014 at 14:01

    I think I would have liked the episode better if it had came at a point at which they had finally established some kind of goal for the Musketeers. The story is still meandering around. I am all for exploring the characters a little bit, but the show currently does nothing BUT exploring the characters. We have learned a lot about how they used to be and where they came from - how about some information where they want to go?

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  6. Juliet24 February 2014 at 21:49

    Haha! "Embargo being lifted"! No problem! We will all wait patiently for your Tuesday's update!!! I do have a theory based on the promo that D'Artagnan will probably interject during Constance's big sword fight with the bad guy, thus making her mad because she'll say she was doing just fine on her own! LOL. And then we'll get Aramis telling D'Artagnan that he shouldn't always get involved!!!


    I think the writers will keep some of the events from the book but change quite a few things as they have already. For one thing, I don't think they'll kill off Constance. She's such an interesting and powerful character. Also, they've spent a lot of time on building the D'Artagnan and Constance relationship!


    I think D'Artagnan and Constance will start an intimate relationship probably by episode 9. I think. Or maybe episode 10. I think the build up will continue to be happening in episodes 6-9, and then the intimacy. :) An interviewer recently asked the boys which one of them will be having an affair with a married woman, and Luke was like, "That's me."

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  7. Jason25 February 2014 at 21:17

    Good ep. Did drag in the middle some but picked up towards the end. And it was pretty easy to pick up on the fact that Porthos's friend was in on the plot. Still, enjoyed it.

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  8. Jason25 February 2014 at 21:24

    I think being based-on vs. an adaptation does give them leeway, but I also think Constance will end up going the way of the book eventually, whether this season or the next. She's a good character, but for everyone who watches for the romance aspect, there are probably just as many who don't, or who even care about it. Either way, I really don't see a 'happily ever after' anywhere in this for her and D'Artagnan.

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  9. Juliet25 February 2014 at 21:57

    I know that a lot of men watch the show, obviously. There is a lot of sword fighting and adventure and manly stuff! :) But women watch the show, too. Romance is usually a big draw for some people. People want to root for a couple. Also, whether you like romance or not, Constance is a truly strong character. And she is really loved by the fans already. So I think a lot of viewers would be disappointed to see her killed off just because it happened in the books. Also, it would be quite predictable. I just don't see it happening. She has been given so much depth. And they'd also have to kill off Milady. There would be no women left on the show other than Queen Anne who thus far hasn't been given much screen time/development.


    Adrian Hodges was in charge of the Primeval, a show I loved a lot. Series 4/5 were some of the most shippiest seasons. There were 3 major pairings. I think he enjoys writing romance. And he knows how to do it quite nicely. He knows how to develop romance in a genuine way. Also, he doesn't like to kill off main characters UNLESS the actors want to leave the show, which is what happened a few times.

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  10. Jason25 February 2014 at 22:49

    It's kind of an unreal stereotype that men just watch for action/adventure, as it is to assume all the women watch for romance. And FYI I'm not easily offended, but I resent a little your assumption that because I'm male I don't grasp that some people watch for romance or that I only watch for sword-fighting and "manly" stuff.


    From what I've observed, there are women on this message board who watch the show, but don't watch for the romance. My gf hates romance. I don't mind it.


    I think you're gaging "overwhelming positive response" by the fact that some viewers really like Constance and D'Artagnan. I accept that, but I think there are probably just as many male and female viewers who don't care that much. I'm one of them, but not because I'm male. Many shows have survived the death of a favored character, and at times, killing a favorite character is the right thing for the show's progression, and overall story arc.


    I don't think Hodges is afraid to do that.


    It may not happen, and they certainly don't have to do it, but I can see Hodges using a tragedy with Constance and maybe Milady to progress D'Artagnan's character journey. Like I said, regardless, I don't see a happily ever after in this for D'Artagnan and Constance. Just my opinion.

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  11. Sandi26 February 2014 at 00:08

    I'm not even sure that they will get together at present, maybe in the future but not the immediate future as in this season. I thought that the married woman comment on the Daybreak interview last week was in reference to Milady, rather than a spoiler for what's to come. Unless Constance's husband does a lot more to be evil in the next few episodes, I don't really see a bed hopping hero knowingly sleeping with a married woman going down too well. Especially as the fallout about Milady needs to be gone through yet, Athos needs to find out about them sleeping with each other and their crap worked through. Plenty of drama there for season 1 imo, before even starting on getting a proper romance started with Constance.

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  12. Sandi26 February 2014 at 01:25

    The married, or attached, women that they have dallied with have been partnered with baddies pretty much so far I think, Flea and Adele are the two that spring to mind? Mon. Bonacieux has been a bit of an ass, but can't really be compared to Chavon or the Cardinal, though if they do follow his story in the books he will become a complete bastard, lol. I'd hope that they'd keep a D'Artagnan/Conatance off the cards until then if I'm honest, plus I'm sure the whole will they/won't they thing will be played out for far too long first won't it? It normally is, and is one of the reasons I'm usually bored of romances tbh.


    I hope Lord de winter makes an appearance too, I think with the heavy political turns we have seen so far it's a possibility that the plots could well get more complex, and we could get something like the Buckingham/Felton plot with him involved too.

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  13. Jason26 February 2014 at 01:40

    Agreed. And that would make it very interesting going forward. Honestly, they do have a ton to play with there.

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  14. Juliet26 February 2014 at 05:54

    Jason, I didn't say ALL men watch only for adventure and sword fighting. A lot of my male friends and male family members prefer the 'action' type of stuff and cringe at the romantic moments. However, my father, for example, loves romance a lot. Also, I said this: "Romance is usually a big draw for some people." I didn't specify for only women or male or whatever. So I don't see where I said anything that was remotely offensive. This show has ALL the ingredients for everyone. Whether you are girl or a boy.



    And if you want to check on how fans are responding to the D'Artagnan and Constance romance, go on youtube. And you'll find lots of fan videos for D'Artagnan and Constance. I believe there were fan videos for them since the very first episode, actually. Not to mention gif sets and twitter comments/tumblr comments in favor of them all over the internet. They are popular with the fans. And they're getting excellent response.


    Also, I don't really know why you're picking on me, to be honest.

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  15. Juliet26 February 2014 at 06:00

    Sandi, but Milady isn't married, though? Or do you mean because she was married to Athos? Oh, I didn't even think about that. Hmmm. Who knows. I guess when I hear "married woman," I automatically assume Constance since most characters have referred to her as one. I guess I'm also basing some of my predictions on the description for the season 1 DVD.


    And I really don't mind waiting till season 2 for D'Artagnan and Constance to get together. I would be disappointed beyond belief if the writers killed her off. Fingers crossed it doesn't happen. Tamla is a wonderful actress, and she has made Constance her own. :)

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  16. Jason26 February 2014 at 07:58

    First: I understand completely that there are many fans, male and female ;), that love the D’Artagnan and Constance romance. I was never doubting you on that. It’s great that they love it. It’s great that you love it.

    Regardless, youtube is not a broad representation of the fan base. And even though many fans might love it, I don’t think it means Constance is safe from going the way of the book. If it works for the character development and overall story, I think the writers won’t have a problem going there.

    That’s my opinion. We don’t have to agree on it.

    Second: I’m a pretty laid back guy. I wasn’t picking on you. Nor was I engaging in a heated debate or argument. I was giving my perspective and a reasoning for my response. I enjoy engaging in speculation as much as the next fan, which is why I often come to
    this forum. And if I feel a comment or perspective of mine is misconstrued, I’m going to clarify and speak up about it. None of that will mean I’m picking on you, or that I’m looking for a heated exchange. Or even that I’m heated.

    The part that threw me regarding your comment was that you
    began it with “I know a lot of men watch the show… but women watch it too” while responding to a comment of mine that wasn’t gender specific. I don’t think you intended this, but the phrasing made it feel as though you believed I wasn’t aware of the fact that the show draws viewers from both genders when I gave my opinion, or that my perspective was limited because I believed that only men watch the show.

    I guess I’m curious. What was the intention of starting the response with “I know a lot of men watch the show… but women watch it too?”
    I’m just not sure what you were trying to say there, or how it related
    at all to what I'd said in the comment you were responding to.

    And I'll stress, in case you are reading anything into my
    tone here, that I’m not angry, I’m not heated, and I’m not holding a grudge. I am just curious.

    Ultimately, you may still not get why that opening statement might have invited a little resentment in me, but it did.

    Regardless, water under the bridge.

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  17. Sandi26 February 2014 at 12:31

    Milady and Athos are Catholic therefore they are married for life really, it's not something that was easy to dissolve back then at all. Just read the DVD description, that's interesting though hadn't seen that before. I still kind of hope that means her husband is involved in the threat to her life, or does become evil in some way, before any thing starts between her and D'Artagnan though. I think it would be better received by the audience as a whole than if they were to just have an affair behind his back, that's just not what a hero does imo.

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  18. magil26 February 2014 at 16:16

    imo I never like it when they have good characters take to marital affairs casually. Especially a character like D'Artagnan.

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  19. magil26 February 2014 at 16:32

    Juliet, I should totally stay out of this, but I just thought I'd offer a little humble feedback because as I was reading along in this thread, I sort of maybe took your comment like Jason did. He basically said "not everyone watches for romance" and then I got to your comment of "yeah but women watch it too" and I was like, "I'm a woman, and I don't watch for romance. What's she saying here?"


    You have some good points, I'd just be cautious of some of the phrasing. And maybe consider looking at what other people are saying before you assume they're just picking on you for the hell of it.


    And imo I think Constance may stick around for awhile.

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  20. magil26 February 2014 at 16:34

    I'd love it if we could get something like the Buckingham/Felton plot stuff.

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  21. magil26 February 2014 at 16:38

    And then there is de Winter who she was married to briefly. But I think in the book she thinks Athos is dead, and then when it becomes known that he's alive and in the musketeers and yadda yadda it becomes apparent that her marriage to de Winter didn't count because her other husband was still alive. So, yep, still married.

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  22. magil26 February 2014 at 16:49

    It was sort of easy to pick up on that. As it was that the dead boy's father had something to do with it. I like Porthos more and more these days, so somehow I didn't mind.

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  23. Sandi26 February 2014 at 18:21

    Some stuff from across the channel would be great :)

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  24. Bailey28 February 2014 at 21:55

    I'm late to the party, and I don't have a ton to say, except I did like the episode.


    Key moments (for me):


    I actually like that Treville is the one who spoke the line about Porthos fighting harder to become a musketeer than any of them and that he wouldn't give them up that easily. In fact, I quite enjoyed Treville throughout this episode. I wouldn't mind the show devoting a story or more to Treville's background come season two (or sooner) just to explore his character in a deeper way.


    I liked Athos' complete nonchalance regarding Porthos shooting a melon of Aramis' head as well as the genuine sense of loyalty he exuded throughout this episode. Aaand I like how fiercely and quickly defensive Aramis is in all matters Porthos (let that be a lesson to you, d'Artagnan).


    Now bring on the next episode. Looks to be a winner. :)

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  25. Bailey28 February 2014 at 22:13

    I think without the weight of the book's events coming into play in some form or fashion to threaten Constance, the presence of Constance and her story's direction becomes much less interesting to me. I suppose they don't absolutely have to kill her, and they certainly have time to build the story and to play it out, but I more or less would like to feel there is an actual threat in the d'Artagnan/Constance storyline (even if it's different than the book).


    Plus, I think if they do go in that direction, depending on the way they build it up, it could be a pretty poignant tragedy that could become really integral to d'Artagnan's story and his connection with Athos and the other musketeers.


    If none of the events from the book are introduced with Milady or Constance (at least tonally, if that makes sense), I feel like they risk hobbling the story. If say, the show has the good fortune to get to a season four or five and Milady is still lurking about but not having caused any real trouble or tragedy for our heros, or had any of her own storyline take her towards the path of doom, I might not be feeling confidence in the overall writing.

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  26. Bailey28 February 2014 at 22:17

    I'd like to see Lord de Winter. I'd also like to see a real threat from Milady and the Cardinal. But that's been said before. I'm assuming by the end of this season something will be revealed or occur regarding d'Artagnan and Athos with Milady that will hopefully up the ante.

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  27. Bailey28 February 2014 at 22:21

    For my part, I just want much more to the d'Artagnan and Constance storyline than will they/won't they. If that's all the plot they bring to the table, I - yeah, what you said - I get bored.


    Plus, Buckingham/Felton - yes. Lots of plots for new seasons. Still curious to see what they'll do without the cardinal as the villain, but will wait patiently to see.

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  28. Bailey28 February 2014 at 22:34

    It did drag in a few places.


    Have to say, the moment at the end with Charon being killed by Aramis instead of Porthos... and Howard Charles' really subtle expressions through that whole scene, was really effective to me. Go Howard Charles.

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  29. Bailey28 February 2014 at 22:38

    I read an interview with Adrian Hodges - I'm going to have to go look up the link now - where it seemed like he was saying he'd initially been given the directive to keep all the episodes really self contained, and then was finally able to convince the powers that be that they needed hooks and an ongoing overarching storyline that played out more fully in the week to week episodes. I took it like maybe we'll see more of that overall plot and endgame in the episodes towards the end of the season because he was finally allowed to deepen the "mythology" by that time. At least I'm hoping.

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  30. magil1 March 2014 at 00:18

    I agree. Add to that, all the pathos on the show right now (or at least most of it) stems from stuff that happened way in the characters' pasts. I like what they've been doing, don't get me wrong (and Aramis's past in particular got me, not gonna lie). That past gives us context for the characters' motivations (especially Athos's) and helps us get to know the characters, etc. etc. but...


    I'm dying for them to deal with something darker in the present. Which I suppose is why I want Adele's death to come back around sooner rather than later. I want to see them deal with that, and/or deal with the cardinal surrounding a present trauma like that.


    So... if that extends to the character of Constance being in peril, or even dying, I hate to say it, but it might make the show more interesting. I don't know that I really want Constance to die, exactly (though I agree that it could really propel D'Artagnan's character)... but I don't want her to just be the perky love-interest on the side either.

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  31. Bailey1 March 2014 at 00:52

    Yep. Good points. I think we've all been harping on the Adele thing. Putting it in context like that makes a lot of sense, and would solve some of the lack of conflict and threat I feel with the cardinal.


    And if Constance does die, I'm sure the funeral would be... beautiful. ;)

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  32. swanpride1 March 2014 at 05:53

    Good to know that there is hope. There are themes which work as self-contained stories, but the Musketeers is not one of them. It did start out as a serial after all.

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  33. Jason1 March 2014 at 21:59

    Yeah. My general sentiment as well.

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  34. Jason1 March 2014 at 22:01

    So many of the good lines come from Aramis. Or maybe it's just Santiago Cabrera's line delivery.

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  35. GM2 March 2014 at 02:04

    I'm also thinking of the time slot. If nothing truly dark happens on the show in the conflict between Milady/The Cardinal and The Musketeers, where the four really have to deal with the fallout, I'm not sure what it's doing at the time slot it's at. I'm not advocating that we see a bunch more violence and stuff, but I feel like the threat level needs to increase overall. The deeper plot risks becoming a little perfunctory if it doesn't.

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  36. GM2 March 2014 at 02:10

    "Let that be a lesson to you, d'Artagnan." ofc. lol

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  37. GM2 March 2014 at 02:19

    I'm thinking if there was at least an event, like her husband hits her or has an affair of his own, it would make it more palatable. With the potential Anne/Aramis situation historical context gives us some reasons to understand why she might turn to someone outside her marriage. Even so...

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  38. Bailey2 March 2014 at 16:24

    Excellent point. It started out as a serial. I know this is a based-on rather than an adaptation. But I would love it if they embraced the spirit of that a little more.

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  39. Bailey2 March 2014 at 16:25

    Yes. I don't want the deeper plot to become... perfunctory. That's a pretty good word for it.

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  40. Sandi2 March 2014 at 16:56

    I do wonder if the timeslot is one of the biggest problems the show faces tbh, Hodges mentioned in his blog piece over at the BBC writers room that it had to be done so that it could be shown before the watershed if needs be without too many changes to it, and I think that it would have been better going out at, say, 7.30pm rather than 9pm tbh. If they are going to keep it at post watershed then more threats need to be in season 2, as you say, if they want to make it pre-watershed then I don't think much needs to be changed at all, maybe just toning down some of the politics. I'd prefer the former choice myself, thou ratings wise I can see the later being more successful.

    Here's a link to the blog in case you haven't seen it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/writersroom/posts/The-Musketeers-

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  41. Bailey2 March 2014 at 20:18

    Thanks for the link, Sandi. I think I'd read that before, but it was good now after a few episodes to read it again, and I couldn't remember where it was.


    Good points all around. Interesting discussion.

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