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USD POLL : What should Arrow do with Laurel's character?
Dec 12, 2013
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Katie Cassidy gets a lot of unwarranted hate as Laurel. She's not a bad actress, but I don't think the writers know what to do with her character and she often gets shunted to the side. I'm fine with turning her into Black Canary or keeping Sara in the role, but I think they need to utilise the season finale by hitting the reset button on her character and giving her clear motivation and making her relatable to the audience. I dislike it when writers take the easy way out and write someone out of a show because they're not popular. Use your skills and turn it around.
ReplyDeleteOh boy, something tells me there are going to be a lot of not so fun comments here.
ReplyDeleteI vote for
"Keep her but give her a different storyline so Sara can stay BC"
For me, my issues with Laurel now are mostly KC's acting. She had a scene this episode that was supposed to be intense and showcase emotion, she gets a phone call that her dad is injured and is in the ICU. I wanted to see that emotion on her face and I got nothing, sorry. It was really the worst scene in a brilliant episode for me.
I think that's why the showrunners and writers are so struggling on what to do with her too. They try and try, and nothing is working. It's their fault too because wasn't there a chemistry test done between SA and KC first? Didn't they notice the problems in KC's acting at the beginning before the show premiered when they could still give her another role and re-cast Laurel? How did that happen? But I can't blame them for her issues this season.
I can see a good reason for Laurel to be on the show this season now though. I think she will have a real relationship with Blood, I think Blood is going to help her face her demons and make peace with Tommy's death, I think she is going to be the reason that would hopefully make Blood question his partnership with Slade, and I hope her relationship with Blood will eventually help Oliver defeat Slade. To me, that would make Laurel useful for this season, and next season, I want to see her dealing with the aftermath of finding her sister is alive and finding her boyfriend was a bad guy. Would she still support him? Would she decide to become a vigilante too to make up for Blood's sins? To me, that can be interesting, but please KC, learn to emote already! Move your forehead!
And as for Sara, I love her already, and I want her to stay as the BC. I want to see her fighting alongside Oliver against Slade, and I want to see her re-connectiong with her family again. I think there is enough room for both characters now but I can't see Oliver and Laurel being the endgame of this show, not anymore.
Kill her off.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I believe in the writers wish to spare Laurel and Oliver for later so they push her alot aside. I would love for her to become a hero on her own, cause I love SARA as Bc. Maybe Laurel can get an alter ego and become an other comic hero. Or Sara could end up paralyzed and train Laurel to become Bc
ReplyDeleteAgreed. The writers are taking the long road with Laurel, which is fine, but they can't completely sideline her in the meantime. Sara's Black Canary is most likely going to die, which will probably be a main source of inspiration for Laurel's journey to becoming the true Black Canary. Arrow very much emphasizes showing us how heroes are made.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime:
- No love interest stories, especially with Blood.
- Fewer damsel in distress situations, although there haven't been as many this season.
- Involve her more with other cast members. Give Laurel scenes with just her and Felicity or her and Diggle. Seeing her work with Thea, Roy, and Sin was good. I would like to see where her relationship with Moira stands after the trial.
Is killing her not an option? I mean she was ok last season but this one she's annoying and her introduction to hating the arrow was ridiculous and irritating, also Katie Cassidy is not that good and that is a very bad combination.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing against Katie Cassidy (I loved her in Supernatural) but Laurel's character is a waste of air time that could be used in a better manner like giving it to officer/detective Lance!!!!! The best the writers could do for the show is the get rid of her in a way she won't come back!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat a stupid bloody poll, really what is the point of it, other than to cause trouble. There is no option she is becoming the Black Canary - the story lines have begun - the family reunion has happened, perhaps even Sara's death. I refuse to vote or support this site in the future.
ReplyDeleteGoing to have to disagree about a love interest storyline between Laurel and Blood. I think that storyline has a good potential to make Blood start questioning his actions and his partnership with Slade and to tie Laurel to the main plot, and I support this storyline.
ReplyDeleteNow that you mention it I really did like her on Supernatural, I don't get how she comes across as such a bad actress here.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if perhaps there is botox involves that prevents KC from emoting well today, I hope not because she's younger than me, why would she need it? And I also think KC does a better job portraying a villain or a vigilante or a bitch than a good lawyer.
ReplyDeleteIt does seem like she did something to her face which is awful. That might be just it because from what I remember from Spn she should be able to portray Laurel, I mean she just has to be able to play a person, a normal one and she's not doing it well.
ReplyDeleteWrite her better. She has nothing to do and is often only there to be damsell in distress (even though it is quite obvious she could keep herself quite safe). She has no purpose, and that is the problem.
ReplyDeleteIt's ridiculous how in just a few episodes I like Sarah better given that Laurel has been there from the beginning.
ReplyDeleteShe has to become Black Canary now. I hope the metagene will activate soon as possible.
ReplyDeleteI'm happy either way they go but I really don't miss her when she isn't around. If they keep her I would want a better story for her, not always revolving around Oliver and his family. Maybe more with her own family.
ReplyDeleteDon't get the hate for Laurel, I actually really like Katie Cassidy and hope they can make her the Black Canary at some point
ReplyDeleteWhen i saw this poll i lmao!! And the first thing that came to my mind was "kill her" (i was hoping that'd be an option) but then i said we know that shit won't happen. (but it was still fun to think it. lol) So i thought it through for a few min. i SHOULD have voted "write her off the show" Seriously i can't with her, as AMAZING as this episode was, when she was on screen, i just tuned her out. (which made it even better) she did EXACTLY what i predicted she'd do before this episode aired, which was, have awkward moments with Ollie, and cryyyy about something (in this case Quentin which i could understand but still, i said to myself "called it.") b/c that's ALL she does!!! And all her facial expressions are the same (seriously what is going on with her physical appearance??) and she's just become EXHAUSTING to look at and listen to. Everything about her annoys the shit outta me. And it's a shame b/c i liked KC on SPN, she didn't suck there, so for the life of me, i can't understand why she's so horrible now??
ReplyDeleteAnd this is supposed to apparently be our future BC?? She needs to get her shit together, before that can even remotely take place. Anyways, i voted write her a different storyline and keep Sara as the BC. Maybe Laurel, needs to spend some time on that island. Then when she returns MAYBE she can become somewhat likeable. Not by me (if i couldn't like her within season 1, it's just not happening at this point, i tried) but maybe i could try to tolerate her and not tune her out when she's on screen.
Plus Sara as BC is really badass. She has vulnerability but she's also very head strong. She keeps it real, doesn't beat around the bush, and let's face it, she already has training. I don't want to see Laurel for another two seasons being taught how to kick some ass in a professional way (as opposed to her amateur at best skills now). Laurel's just a waste of air time in this 45 min show, and TBH when she's NOT in an episode and some of the fanbase doesn't even notice til AFTER the episode has aired....That's TERRIBLE. That's a clear sign that something needs to change with her character, and it needs to happen ASAP!!
So say we all
ReplyDeleteI've said this before and I got a lot of hate for it, but I wonder if Laurel's problem isn't coming from Katie's personal issues. A lot of people said she was a good actress in other projects, yet she's terrible in Arrow. The writers are doing a fairly well job for all the other characters, yet Laurel is so poorly written that it doesn't make any sense. Maybe Katie is having issues in real life? Preventing her from having more screen time, or maybe even an issues with people on set. I don't know. I just can't figure out why she's the most problematic character on the show when she could be written a lot better so much more easily.
ReplyDeleteThe point is to gage people's opinions on a character which has become like marmite to the viewers of the show. Really, not supporting this site because of this poll? Get your head out of your ass.
ReplyDeleteI agree...I have really no issue with the actress (she does a well enough job on the rare occasions she gets a good scene), but the character is badly written and just useless. There are so many character I actually want to see more of (Quentin, Roy, Thea, Sin, (who are somewhat mirroring the adult arrow team), Moira) that I really don't care about screentime getting wasted on Laurel. And honestly, if we see the history of the other vigilantes and villain fighters on the show - they went through hell to become what they are. I really don't see Laurel reaching this level just by sitting around in the Starling City, and I am certainly not invested enough to watch a whole story arc with her getting it somewhere else. I rather want to see more of Sara. To be honest, I liked her already more than Laurel in the short episode with the mother, when she explained that Sara went on the boat because she was in love and she felt that she had to follow her heart. Stupid? Yes! The last thing you should do to your sister? Doubly yes! But also the kind of passion I like in a character.
ReplyDeleteI disagree...I dislike it more when the writers try to salvage something which clearly doesn't work. If I had the feeling that there is a long plan, and there is a solid foundation to the character, like I did with Grimm's Juliette, I could get behind waiting how it plays out. But what we have here reminds me more of White Collar's Sara or Annie's first love interest (I have even forgotten how the guy was named) in Covert Affairs. A character with no clear foundation, which gets rewritten into what the writers need in the episode in question even if it doesn't fit the character at all, and who does nothing but slow the episodes down and distract from other, more compelling characters. Sometimes you just have to cut your losses.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, the character is so badly written, even the best in the business would have trouble to salvage this.
ReplyDeleteDo you like the actress or really the character?
ReplyDeleteBut that's kinda the point of my comment. WHY is she so badly written? Sara was in for one episode and people loved her. Felicity is a fan favorite. Even Thea who doesn't have as much screen time as the rest is having a semi interesting storyline that connects to the show overall.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, there's been dozens of opportunities for Laurel to be included in the overall story very easily and it wasn't done.
I totally agree with you. It's not the actress but the material. Who did expect that Oliver and Felicity had a better spark than Laurel and Oliver. And I absolutely loved Katie Cassidy as Juliet in Gossip Girl and even as Ruby in Supernatural. So obviously, it's not the actress for me. Just the material.
ReplyDeleteI remember that Thea had a bad start, too. Not with me, but in general.
ReplyDeleteI guess it is simply a case of writing a love interest instead of writing a character. Now that Laurel is no longer part of the love-triangle, they have no idea what to do with her.
Does anybody think the writers have issues with coming up for ideas for Laurel because they weren't expecting Felicity to be such a big part of the show? I mean wasn't she only originally supposed to be a guest but they saw how popular she was and made her a regular. Maybe that's messed up some of the SL a little or something? I dunno. I'm thinking out loud. I have no issues with Cassidy, but Laurel just isn't interesting these days.
ReplyDeleteNot sure...after all, I don't think that they planned to include Laura into team Arrow anytime soon. The function Felicity has on the show (IT-Expert, Assistant(still think they should have given Diggle the job), Back-up) is not one Laurel can fulfil.
ReplyDeleteGood point!
ReplyDeleteShe has been really useless lately.
ReplyDeleteGrow up.
ReplyDeleteRemove her. Hard to see how they can pull he rout of the fire at this point, given how they've screwed her up and abandoned her to dead-end plots.
ReplyDeletei'm really sad to say that in last week's episode i didn't miss her at all. in yesterday's eps she had such small roll that it felt like they could leave it out in cutting. either she'll start working together with Arrow and not against him i don't care what she'll become. i must confess i have a really annoying problem with Cassidy becoming thinner and thinner and all this Botox it's like a walking skeleton with big teeth. she doesn't have any mimik and this is too annoying.don't get me wrong i don't hate her in any way i just need her to succeed with showing emotions instead of having A mommy face. i think it hurts her character. i wouldn't mind seeing her as the canary.
ReplyDeleteEither ditch her from the show or write her up for one last epic scene. Like 01lander said, she's a great actress but she gets alot of hate as Laurel. I can't imagine changing her into BC as that would take out League of Assassins storylines in that area for Sara as BC. Maybe a story exposing Malcolm Merlyn's still alive and at the same time also exposing some of the LoA resulting in a few deaths and appearance of R'as al Gul?
ReplyDeleteLaurel can do a lot of good in the city and they can make it intense,but the writers don't same to seem to be doing anything about it. I have nth against KC. She looks really pretty and she has really nice eyes that she can use more expressively.Even a nice backstory of how Laurel and Oliver fell in love I would be welcome. But I like her r/p with blood in a weird way. He is a bad guy but he atleast was nice to Laurel and came at her need. Laurel seems useless in 'Arrow' at the moment. Better writing is required. Every character seems to be growing in Arrow. They need to give Laurel more screen time to make her presence. Something tells me they won't take her off the show because of this 'canon' reason I see going on. I ship olicity to death but I feel the writers are going to succumb to pressures of canon. I openly want sara to be BC because she fights well and it seems sensible that she is BC considering her fighting knowledge and she bonds well with the Arrow team.
ReplyDeleteAnd then they juxtaposed her "downward spiral" this season in the episode where they introduced Sarah, who had dealt with so much worse in her life than losing Tommy (and rose above it to become what she was), that it made Laurel's self medicating and drama seem... it made me ask how could *this* person ever become Black Canary?
ReplyDeletePoor Katie lol
ReplyDeleteAlmost every episode this season involved Damsels in Distress and now we have a Woman in Refrigerator.
ReplyDeleteThey added many female characters since Felicity. Shado, Sara, Sin, Isabel were all introduced later. They also write well for Moira and Thea so I don't think so personally.
ReplyDeleteDid you just expect Laurel to breakdown in the middle of the street while still in shock over the fact her dad was in the hospital? That wouldn't be good acting at all. Trying to turn everything into a super dramatic sobfest is cringeworthy acting
ReplyDeleteI expected her emotions to be showcased also in her forehead.
ReplyDeleteKatie is doing a fine job acting. People say she's bad because they don't like her character which happens all the time from TV audiences who can't distinguish character from actress.
ReplyDeleteThey could write Laurel the best arc in the world and Katie Cassidy still wouldn't be able to pull it off. She's a fine actress but this role is just all wrong for her and she has absolutely zero chemistry with Oliver. Which is a problem seeing as she's supposed to be the main romantic lead.
ReplyDeleteWhen I started Arrow I had never seen KC before but knew the history of Black Canary. So I had huge expectations for the character. Then I saw her back story with Oliver and literally cringed. If the writers wanted Oliver and Laurel together I don't get why they went that route. I mean, him cheating on her would have been enough for drama but with her sister. You have to be a masochist to go back from that.
ReplyDeleteI liked her relationship with Tommy only time she showed any presence. And they had to stuff it up by her and Oliver jumping in to bed. I so wished they had not done that.
This season they have made her so irrelevant. What happened to her drug problem. Did it just vanish after drumming in to our heads all those episodes. I really wish they had shown her a workaholic instead of an alcoholic. She should have more drive now to put bad people away now since the death of Tommy and thus leading her to become BC.
I voted for "Keep her but give her a different story line so Sara can stay BC" but sometimes I wish they write her out since KC has yet to impress me. The main problem I have is her eyes. No expression ever comes to her eyes. Every dialogue she says her face has this wide eyes and breathless tone to it whether it is sadness anger or happiness.
We cant say she didn't have any scope for acting. She did have lots to do when her mom came last year but I was still underwhelmed by her acting. But what do I know? may be writers will make me like her like they did with Thea and Roy.
I'm pretty sure Katie Cassidy didn't have to audition. She'd been on about five different CW shows by that point.
ReplyDeleteIf she moves her eyebrows she can stay..hehe
ReplyDeleteThe totaly ridiculous people's thinking about the Laurel , and especially about Katie . As far as I remember Arrow is a show that presenting the trajectory of the characters of the comics until they become heroes . So I think I 'm the only one in the world (mainly for being a fan of comic books ) to get angry at the way that Laurel has been treated on the show , and this ridiculous story of Sara be the ultimate BC makes vomiting of it so disgusted by the way with the writers disvirtuaram the story of one of my favorite heroines of comics. The own showrunners Andrew, Marc and Greg confessed that Arrow is a story that goes from "A to B " , then why do people insist on prefer Sara as BC , when as Oliver himself is not yet GA . I really want to see the construction of Laurel to become in BC for me is much more interesting than seeing a " fake BC and ready ."
ReplyDeleteAnd as for Katie to me beyond beautiful and extremely talented actress . His expression changes every nuance that was presented of Laurel . The issue here , is that turned " fad " or " current " the hate free against Laurel , and it is so real that people will seek out faults where none exists. Not Katie , who has not the slightest guilt of acting material that producers have created . was spared the superficial and ridiculous comments .
I've always wanted Laurel to be the Black Canary and I still do. I think they were building her up for it in the first half of last season and then they kinda dropped her off the deep end so they could throw Sara in. I know a lot of people don't get her reactions to what has happened but I love it. I love the contrast in people and their suffering and how they deal with trauma. Oliver has obviously rose from his and Laurel has spiraled down. That's so much more human than everyone just kicking crap off like it doesn't affect them!
ReplyDeleteRECAST or KILL her, WRITE her off the show whatever it takes to make Katie Cassidy get off my screen, well at least off on a show I watch. I wouldnt mind if she goes to The Carrie Diaries or something I dont care about thats for sure.
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing they can do to make the Laurel character work as long as Katie Cassidy is in the role, she has zero acting talent and really miscast, there is no chemistry with her and anyone in the cast either. So they are a lot of problems. She is the reason why the writers wont and dont want to write for the character, Arrow showrunners always reward actors who do good blatantly, if its the opposite then there must be something wrong with youand must not like your work very much.
Im happy with Caity Lotz, she is good as Sara and as Black Canary. Got the acting and martial skills down needed for her role, also she has fantastic chemistry with Stephen Amell and the cast. So why would I want that traded to endure more painful acting from Katie Cassidy. She doesnt look very healthy especially this season and I feel sorry for her for that but she is just not working in the show, she never have.
I don't downright hate Laurel, because "hate" to me is when every second the character is on screen is literally painful. For example, Klaus on TVD. Laurel hasn't reached that point... yet. However, she's remarkably pointless and very unlikable. The first, because she adds nothing to the plot whatsoever, and the fact that viewers barely notice when she misses an episode is a good indication of that. The second, because she's almost always cold, shrill and snarky, giving us no reason to warm to her. It's especially odd when she used to be a legal aid attorney. Someone who's willing to work non-profit, with the less-than-stellar salary that entails, to help the underprivileged, seems like she should be warm, kind and empathetic. Laurel is the opposite of that.
ReplyDeleteFinally, while I don't give a crap about romance, Cassidy and Amell have ZERO romantic chemistry, which makes it impossible to root for an Oliver/Laurel pairing. I don't actively ship Oliver/Felicity, for example, but I'm not against the idea because at least the chemistry is there and the relationship between them has had plenty of build-up. With Oliver and Laurel, it just doesn't work.
Is Cassidy's acting a problem as well? I won't deny that she's been less than impressive in the role. She certainly seems to do better as the bitchy bad girl with snark and attitude (I liked the original Ruby on Supernatural quite a bit). However, I largely blame the writers here because the writing for Laurel seems completely different than for most other characters. Her storyline is going nowhere. Even her motivations lack consistency and logic.
ANYWAY - after all of this rambling, I think the show should either write her off (not necessarily via death - it might actually be better that she lives because I can't deal with Oliver and Quentin's endless grief), or figure out a decent non-BC storyline for her. Because Sara is an amazing BC. Up until Season 2 I would've been on board with making Laurel BC, but now that they've struck gold with Caity Lotz (whose fighting skills are breathtaking) and Sara, it would be insane to throw her under the bus so Laurel can assume her vigilante persona. Maybe make Laurel help Team Arrow from the outside like Quentin does. Having someone who can pull legal strings and get inside information about the law system can be useful.
I agree. Some people say we need to be patient with Laurel because her character development is taking time, but I just don't see it. I see a character that the writers have no idea what to do with. They don't even flesh out her emotions and problems in a way that would make it possible to relate to her. For example, when she betrayed the Arrow in the end of 2x02 - holy crap, was she supposed to be sympathetic there? Because he had saved her life the previous season, more than once, and it made no sense to blame him for Tommy's death. Eventually we learned she was projecting her own guilt onto the Arrow, hence turning against him, but the damage already seemed to have been done. Alternately, when she grilled Moira in court one minute, using a "trump card" she had never had to go looking for, and then felt terrible about her actions the next. I can't understand this woman at all.
ReplyDelete"Remove her" is an umbrella term for getting rid her in some way - kill her, have her get a job in another city and skedaddle out of Starling, have aliens abduct her... whatever strikes your fancy. :)
ReplyDeleteI admit, I am not an expert, but hasn't the character be renamed a couple of times in the comics either way? So why not "Sara Drake Lance" as Black Canary instead of "Dinah Laurel Lance" ?
ReplyDeleteBefore people pointed it out, I didn't really notice, but yeah... she looked much better last season. She's a naturally pretty woman, I have no idea why she would get botox (at her age?!) or lose so much weight. Also, this is just personal taste but I liked her sleek brown hair better, the curly hair with blonde highlights isn't doing it for me.
ReplyDeleteI'm just surprised this comment didn't get a thumbs-up from InvestedInYourFuture. :D
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid I don't know who that is lol.
ReplyDeleteActually, I've seen many comments about characters saying that if the actor or actress playing them was doing a better job, their character would be more likable. Not everyone who criticizes Cassidy's performance feels that way, of course, but some do. It has nothing to do with not being able to assess the actress' performance fairly due to disliking her character.
ReplyDeleteOr this episode, when she told Oliver that she understands the Queen families feelings concerning Christmas because she remembers her last one with Tommy...geez, thanks for reminding him that his best friend died and thanks for making this all about you.
ReplyDeleteIsolated none of the incidents are that bad, put at this point they culminated to a very unlikable and confusing character. In the first season, I at least was able to route for her and Tommy's relationship (which I guess was the opposite of what the writers intended) but now I am starting to wonder if the writers want the audience to hate her.
In addition, it's truly beyond me why a NAME is so important. The fact that Laurel's name is Dinah Laurel, as opposed to Sara, makes her worthy of the BC role, despite the fact that nothing else about the character even vaguely resembles the iconic character? So if, instead of Laurel Lance, this character was called Jennifer Roberts or something, but everything else was exactly the same, all of those comic purists wouldn't give a crap about her and wouldn't want her to become BC? For real?
ReplyDeleteYou can get a good idea of that if you read the "What did you think of..." threads for several of this season's early episodes, such as "Crucible". She basically goes ballistic whenever someone speaks ill of Laurel, or says they prefer Sara who she refers to as "Fake Canary".
ReplyDelete{Who did expect that Oliver and Felicity had a better spark than Laurel and Oliver}
ReplyDeleteWell I did before the show even started, it wasnt rocket science honestly. Emily Bett Rickards was a better casting than Katie Cassidy. She is better overall, better looking, better acting, better chemistry, better personality, more endearing etc. So naturally it wasnt that hard to predict she would ooze more chemistry
with her costars and become popular with viewers.
Katie Cassidy casting was a disaster, she wasnt suited for the part, she could barely act, she seems like she was just cast because of her father's name or CW's favoritism, because she surely wasnt a good casting. Emily on the other hand, went through the auditions, even if it was a one off role, she earned her role beating probably hundreds of other actresses and then she owned it. She was the best person for her role as Felicity as chosen by the casting people while Katie Cassidy was probably one of the worst people for the job out of a hundred to thousands actresses who could have fought for the leading role yet she got the role anyway because of her connections. LOL you see the difference now, how could it have gone any other way.
Truly you are no expert. Especially When You don't see adaptations of the comics and for TV show or movie ....um "Joseph kent ", or" Mary Lane "or even" Matthew Luthor. "
ReplyDeleteYou are proof living of that a poser fan can accept anything from this thing atinga your easy understanding. I do not! I'm a comic book fan and I will never agree that these producers misrepresent a history of 50 years. DINAH LAUREL LANCE is and always was Black Canary ... and I refuse any cheap imitation.
If I were you, seek to know and above all respect the history that gave rise to the show. It's almost ridiculous to say that it is easier to change a name of the iconic comics character just to please a fandom full of poser. Instead of writing a worthy path for each character
Seems to me that the Arrow producers have the unusual tendency to create unexpected fan favorites. Felicity has risen from a one-off comic relief character to become a girl that most viewers like better than Laurel, and I'm not even sure that anyone anticipated how strongly positive the reaction to Sara Lance turned out to be. On the other hand, the one character they've always said they have big plans for really isn't getting a lot of love. Awkward...
ReplyDeleteI attribute it to the strength of Caity Lotz's acting. Her performance is so skilled and nuanced, especially given that she's had to play two very different versions of the same character. I can't wait to see her come back in the present-day storyline.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree, but in Supernatural Cassidy was actually good so it really worries me that she could have done something to her face and loose her expressions. Can't wait to see Sarah back either.
ReplyDeleteOh then, that one. But I ment that for some reason I'm hating her so much I'd think her death would be an assurance she won't come back. It wouldn't be the same if she just took off.
ReplyDeleteYeah it seems she took a wrong turn in that way. Hope she gets better, really.
ReplyDeleteI might not be an expert, but even I know that Dinah Laurel Lance was not "always" the canary...if I remember correctly, the black canary was originally called Dinah Drake, having a relationship with Larry Lance, and only became later on Dinah Drake Lance and/or Dinah Laurel Lance. Unlike other source texts like books for example, comics tend to develop. In a way, the current Comic Canary is already an adaptation of the original Dinah Drake. In fact, all the characters are very much different from their comic counterparts...so isn't changing the name a good thing? I for my part can stomach only so much for the characters I love and prefer it if they are called something else when they got a complete new background either way. This way I can keep them better apart. The moment a character I know is called a certain way, I would expect him to be close to what I am used to.
ReplyDeleteThis in mind, it is most likely a good thing that I am not that familiar with the comics...I might rant about all the changes they did to Oliver otherwise.
Villain!!!
ReplyDeleteIt would be super interesting to watch what this would do with her relationship with her dad and with Sara.
Also, Katie is amazing, she could pull it off brilliantly.
Maybe like Michael Rosembaum/Lex Luthor on Smallville. I loved him. At first he wasn't really bad but everything he went through made him who he is, we could sympathize with him and root for him sometimes.
I like Felicity exactly how she is...she doesn't need to be a fighter, she has other qualities which are just as important.
ReplyDeleteVillain!!!
ReplyDeleteKatie could pull it off being brilliant!!!
Agreed!! Ikr?? I too, ONLY want to see everyone else' storyline and not Laurel's. I mean Sin hasn't been around long enough. Not by a long shot. But once she came on the scene i instantly liked her. Idk if it was the "Hey Abercrombie' line or what. But she was feisty as hell, and i loved that chasing scene with her and Roy (definitely showed some of his moves). And when she got injured, i was sad for her! And i sympathized with Sara, during that hospital scene. I mean they're not even series regulars yet, and i have more passion for them than Laurel who IS a series regular. And yet i couldn't care less if she got killed off the show. Hell, i'd probably be clapping PRAISING TBTP. It's just terrible. She really is the ONLY character i don't give two shits about. The other person i hate is Isabel, but if it came down to Laurel and Isabel, i would choose Isabel, at least i can hate her for the bitch that she is, and i don't trust her. So THAT'S something. But with Laurel, she's sooo bland...like sprinkle some salt on this chick, she needs flavor. LOL
ReplyDeleteDon't really care as long as it is keeps Caity Lotz as Black Canary. Katie Cassidy would be an absolute trainwreck as Black Canary.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how unusual that is...in my experience, it is often the unexpected characters who click with the audience. Perhaps because the writers are not trying so hard.
ReplyDeleteIn a way, I am not sure I like the option...because they would most likely try to do a dramatic send-off, and then Oliver would keeping grieving about this character I am just glad is gone...awkward...just send her away. It has the downside that she might pop up again, but being away for a long (a really long) time they can than get away with a complete rewrite which might work better.
ReplyDeleteBut normally you make an audition with the actors you have in mind to ensure that there is chemistry between them. Often an actor who auditions for one role ends up playing a different role because it turns out that he fits better there.
ReplyDeleteI don't want that. And I'm pretty sure there are people who don't want that either so... nope lol
ReplyDeleteEvery female character on the show has been portrayed as the damsel in distress, so don't criticize Laurel only for that.
ReplyDeleteApplauds
ReplyDeleteSlade is using Blood to get close to Laurel to hurt Oliver
ReplyDeleteI saw her in an interview the other day and she looked gorgeous but in the show this year not so crash hot.So I'm thinking, is this a deliberate thing from the make up artists to make her look drugged out etc?
ReplyDeleteI agree open a can of worms much
ReplyDeleteYou should take your own advise
ReplyDeleteYou should try it
ReplyDeleteAnd how exactly should I do that? I wasn't aware my head was in my ass.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!!! But i also want to see her have a little hand to hand combat. When she was sparring with Diggle, i LOVED that. Just for a little self defense purposes. If they day ever comes that she punches someone in the face, i will be screaming my ass off. LOL It's kinda like Hermione with Draco...I want her to be all "that felt good" LMAO
ReplyDeletectfu!! That was funny. That was good.
ReplyDeleteI don't get why this is up for debate. Not a single person would be like, "Nah, I'm okay with Bruce Wayne/Clark Kent/any male hero not being Batman/Superman/whoever." Yet, of course that same rules don't seem to apply to female heroes since they constantly get changed beyond recognition and everyone is fine with it.
ReplyDeleteAnd what does Felicity's role on the show have to do with Laurel's? Because they're women, so of course we have to put them against each-other. Which is true in this case, since that's what the fandom, the media, the network, the actors, and the creators have done. They've reduced Laurel and Felicity's role to Oliver's love interest, so now they're in competition.
ReplyDeleteThere's no reason the Felicity's role on the show should prevent Laurel from getting the story-line that is rightfully her's. We don't' see Diggle get shafted because of Slade, do we? No, that doesn't happen because they're men.
Maybe the writers are more concerned about pandering to a small, but loud shipper group and decided to f*** over the lead actress in the process?
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of Oliciity/Felicity fans who want Laurel gone so Felicity can take over as the lead female and primary love interest. I'll get dislikes and angry comments for this comment, but deep down they know it's true.
ReplyDeleteDing ding ding. I mean, lbr, some people (like most Olicity/Felicity fans) will never like her for obvious reason, but if they make her Black Canary sooner rather than later, people will start see her differently.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention just better writing in general. I mean, having her cry and date the villain and going after Green Arrow and going against the Queens isn't helping, even if there's a reasonable motivation.
Well, I guess Felicity is kinda the Hermione - did you notice that? It has become some sort of structure in shows, the hero, the nerdy female side-kick with extra-kick, and the male companion for the "man to man" talks.
ReplyDeleteYet people are totally okay with debating different incarnations of Robin. As a supporting character for this show, the character of Black Canary, for good or ill, becomes more easily subject to debate and interpretation, and having her be powerful and well written is important to some viewers. The way Laurel has been written so far has not encapsulated the onus of this character for a lot of us - thus the debate.
ReplyDeleteBesides, if a tv show existed with Bruce Wayne but he was poorly written - you can bet there would be debate about it. As he would likely be the lead character of such a show, I agree it would be much harder to talk about replacing him. On the flip side, if Arrow were instead a show called Black Canary and Laurel had started as the title character and focus - it would be unlikely that we would discuss having another character fill her shoes, yet if she were poorly written, there would still be debate about fixing that.
Hilarious how ONE character is being ruined because of this called "small but loud shipper group". Keep trying.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely hope so cause that would make it possible for her to get better.
ReplyDeleteShe's not a bad actress, but she's not very good.That being said you're right she doesn't deserve the hate she gets, since it's the writers who are responsible for the character and her plot lines. Agreed, even through I dislike her sometimes I do wish the writers would do more with the character than simply have her as Oliver's love interest and place in a reactive role in every plot or story arc with no clear motivation (or at least one better than "I'm after the Hood because he failed to save my boyfriend").
ReplyDeleteShe has lost a hell of a lot of weight this season. I have noticed it more and more with each new episode; her hands, legs and face have become so skeletal. She doesn't look healthy which is worrisome. She was naturally pretty last season.
ReplyDeleteIDK what you're even talking about. I'm saying Laurel should be called Dinah Lance and become Black Canary because that's who the character is. Yet a lot of people are okay with how she and other female heroes are treated, but would be outraged by the smallest changes of a male hero.
ReplyDeleteI have noticed, and i'm content with that. = )
ReplyDeleteWow, you really are working hard to find reasons to hate her. Tommy was her lover AND her best friend since forever too. She was sharing a nice memory that she had with Tommy to cheer him up and you act like she's the Wicked Witch of the West. You've gotta be kidding me lmao
ReplyDeleteAnd Felicity barely fits this series seeing as how she's a complete side character with no backstory at all. She's so shoehorned into every scene of this show, it's pretty much hilarious how Quentin doesn't know about Oliver's identity because she's at his side 24 hours a day even when she's barely of use.
ReplyDeletehow about stop getting her with any other guy! if she is going to be BC!, go back to season 1 route where at least she tried to help people this year its just stupid layer cases.
ReplyDelete^the feels I feel are this^
ReplyDelete…So you're saying that Oliver would have been able to hack into all those places without Felicity's help? I agree, that Quentin should, if he hasn't already, be able to work out who Arrow is by both Diggle and Felicity's presence. But I disagree that Felicity has no purpose at all in the show.
ReplyDeleteLOL she wasnt good, likely you just had lower standards back then, and the thing is in Supernatural she cast in a more suited role for her limited range. That must have fooled some people, otherwise she never was a good actress.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the main problem is the Olicity fans. Olicity fans usually are more vocal in forums like this which makes them look like the main people against Laurel, but if you will watch some online reviews in YouTube much of men and comic book fans who is not interested in any love interest for Oliver is frustrated with the character of Laurel.
ReplyDeleteI agree some Felicity scenes this season is because of fan following for Olicity but that doesn't discount the fact that Katie Cassidy hasn't impressed as Laurel and she has no chemistry Oliver or any other character in the show except some scenes (not every scene) with Quentin. Laurel has become unlikable where as a small character like Sin is likable with just few scenes.
I like Felicity a lot and her scenes with Oliver are always fun to see. But I could care less if she doesn't become the love interest or lead female. In my opinion Oliver Queen should always remain single and have one night stands once in a while like John in POI. He is not fit to be in a relationship.
I love it when people make condescending comments like "deep down they know it's true". Don't tell others what THEY think. Fans of Arrow, myself incuded, have written lengthy essays about why Laurel is a poorly written, bland, inconsistent, pointless character, and/or about why Cassidy's performance isn't up to par. These things have nothing to do with Felicity or the Oliver/Felicity romantic pairing. Are there Felicity/Olicity fans whose dislike of Laurel stems at least partially from that? Certainly, yes. But it's a gross - and again, condescending - oversimplification to claim that's the ONLY reason for the heat Laurel gets.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I'm not an Oliver/Felicity shipper, although I'm not opposed to the idea because I do feel the have the necessary chemistry and that the writers have done a good job steadily developing a connection between the characters. If the writers somehow make a complete 180 in how they write Laurel and the Oliver/Laurel pairing, I'm perfectly open to changing my mind about that one.
Yes, exactly. SIn just said the "Abercrombie" line and already you got a sense of a fun personality. What's Laurel's personality? All I see is her being cold, shrill, dull and often unpleasant to others. The few moments where she was a little light-hearted and likable were around Tommy last season, and then they sunk that ship because she's supposed to be Ollie's One Twu Wuv. Groan.
ReplyDeleteThere's such a huge difference between how they write for Laurel and how they write for everyone else, it's puzzling. It feels like the network is putting a gun to their heads, forcing them to keep Cassidy around. It wouldn't be the first time a network was obsessed with an actor, actually - someone pointed out to me that CBS used to put Alex O'Loughlin on every single pilot until he finally landed a successful gig (Hawaii Five-O).
While I disagree with you about Laurel on the whole, I do agree with this particular comment - it seems that unless Laurel is a love interest they have NO idea how to write for her, which is ridiculous. Maybe they've decided to go the Oliver/Felicity route in terms of romance, but that doesn't justify Laurel not having a proper storyline. But then, I've said many times that my problems with Laurel's character have nothing to do with seeing her as competition for Felicity over Oliver's affections, and everything to do with her as an individual.
ReplyDeleteThere would be no debate, because the show would be cancelled early on. That is one of the reason why potential love interests which are debated are usually female...because there is way more often the "male lead, female love interest" construct than the other way around.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm not trying to be mean but the botox thing REALLY stood out to me this week. When she gets the call saying her father is in the ICU, and then when she talks to him and tells him Lucas is dead... her face is like a frozen, immobile mask that's incapable of showing emotion. It's scary. I really hope she A) lays off the botox - for god's sake she's like 26! And B) gains some weight back. She's a pretty woman who doesn't need that crap at all. And it would help in the acting department because she'll be more expressive again.
ReplyDeleteSo as long as a character is NAMED "Dinah Laurel Lance", she's the rightful Canary as far as you're concerned, and everything else is irrelevant? If Felicity decided to change her name to that, would she suddenly be worthy of the Canary mantle? Oh, and Sara is a "cheap imitation" because of her name, regardless of the fact that she actually has an interesting storyline and can convincingly kick ass like nobody's business... and like Black Canary.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, but this reasoning is ridiculous. You have no business accusing someone else of being a "poser fan" when you're apparently willing to ignore everything that's actually happening on your screen and simply insist that the comics be followed to a T. This show is not a carbon copy, they've already changed plenty of things from the source material (Moira being alive and Thea existing for starters), and need to go with what works rather than what's most similar to the comics.
I think they should at least make her carry a taser or pepper spray when she goes into action-type situations, preferably teach her to use a gun. When she walked into that van in 2x07 and got captured by The Count, I was so annoyed because why is she walking around alone, at night, with no means of self-defense? She's the brains of the operation rather than the muscle, but if she's going to be putting herself in harm's way, she can't be defenseless.
ReplyDeleteYeah you're right, they should send her off, that's better.
ReplyDeleteTo cheer him up? Reminding him of his dead best friends is supposed to cheer him up? In which reality?
ReplyDeleteIf a character was Bruce Wayne in name only and had absolutely nothing to do with what Batman is, whereas a character with a different name was everything I could want Batman to be, you can bet I'd be rooting for the latter to assume the Batman role. A name really doesn't matter all that much to me. I mean no offense to comic fans but I'm honestly stunned by how purist they get when it comes to that. If Laurel and Sara decided to swap names, would you suddenly be completely on board with Sara as BC and willing to forget about Laurel?
ReplyDeleteI also liked Tommy and Laurel much better than Oliver and Laurel. Just another example of how following the comics too loyally can backfire like hell. There were actually some Tommy/Laurel moments where she seemed kinda fun and cute, exactly what I wish she would be now. I personally think the writers should have forgotten about her being Oliver's One Twu Wuv and kept her with Tommy... but I guess that was never gonna be a long term plan anyway, because Tommy's days were numbered.
ReplyDeleteLol! <3
ReplyDeleteIs she really? If we take away the name, has her character really anything in common with the character in the comics?
ReplyDeleteYeah, it was totally shoehorned when she rescued Oliver's life last episode.....
ReplyDeleteYou missed my point. It is not that she is sometimes a damsel in distress, but the fact that being a damsel in distress is her reason for existing in Arrow that I am criticizing. Felicity is also one, but she knows it, and there is more to her than just that. Mama Queen is definately NOT one, and Thea can handle herself which is proven by her owning and managing a club. Also the new girl - Roy's friend -She rocks all by herself and does not need anyone saving her. Other example is Summer Glau's character (which if she was going to be a damsel in distress they would certanly not have casted her). ...
ReplyDeleteI always, from the start, felt she was under-used. I agree that her going against the Queen's hasn't helped, mostly because it made no sense and they waited a while to explain why she was going after the Green Arrow (which I still see no point in- even after explained). But really lately we spend whole episodes and not even realise she is not in. So they need to give her a reasonable (non target/damsel in distressy) storyline. Maybe about her relationship with her sister, mother and father. That would be much better than have her randomly hanging out with Blood.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, it bothers me more when female characters do have the weapons they need to fight and then they are overpowered all the time nevertheless and are not smart enough to use what they have for their own advantage. If Felicity had pepper spray, I would expect her to conceal it until the right moment and then use it when she knows she can get away with it.
ReplyDeleteI must assume that Laurel didn't help Arrow at all in season 1, right? Or the fact that she eventually will become Black Canary getting some development.
ReplyDeleteFelicity isn't more than just that as people claim she is. Apparently, she has no past, barely any development, no family, (something that Laurel does have) we don't know anything about her aside from her being the stereotypical hacker who helps the main hero from the computers and often portrayed as a damsel in distress so the main hero gets development. That's her only purpose and the fact that the writers are more worry about her love life rather than her development as a character doesn't make wonder why some people call her Felicity Sue (aka a Mary Sue).
Thea can handle herself? Guess you forgot that Arrow saved her at the begining of the Season 2.
And you forgot of Sara and Shado and this last one ended up as a Woman in Refrigerator.
I'm not sure of Moira, but in any case, if it's not every, then almost every female character sure has been protrayed as a damsel in distress.
I also remember very well Jeff Eastin's on-going obsession with Hillary Burton. It was frankly embarrassing how much he gushed not about her, while Matt Bomer did his very best to put at least some feelings in the scenes between them.
ReplyDeleteOk. I didn't forget Sara and Shado, I chose to stop writing, therefore the ... at the end. Because their strenght is obvious (and just because Shado died doesn't mean she is less strong,- Buffy was a very strong well rounded character, and she died- Dying is not weakness )
ReplyDeleteWomen are, yes, used as damsel in distress in Arrow. I never said they weren't. But I mean they have more than that while I don't see full storylines for Laurel. You say Felicity's only purpose is romantic story line. Well, she is working for the team, doing things the team could not do without her. Laurel has also been used only for romantic reasons. Yes she helped the arrow last season and I must admit at the end of the season I finally started to warm up to her, but then Tommy died and her story line started to be confusing and not make any sense. But her point there was to be the division between Ollie and Tommy.
And yes, she has family, which is why I have said in other posts in this same thread, that I believe if they focused on her family I'd like her more. Her relationship to her sister and more focus on her relatioship with father and mother. I want that and not her as bait for Blood in his fight with Oliver. Because at this point, I would only fear her loss because of her father.
I don't get the hate at all. I agree that she's clearly not the best written character the show has but I, like many others, don't blame Katie for that. I think she's a great actress and loved her in Supernatural and lots of other projects she's been part of.
ReplyDeleteI voted for "Anything goes as long as they write her well". I don't want to see her written off the show because I really want her to eventually become the BC. It doesn't have to be this season but in the future I think she should and I'm apparently in the minority but I think she does have chemistry with Oliver and I've been rooting for them since the show began, but then I'm always in the minority when it comes to things like this.
I get what you're saying, but when it comes to something like pepper spray, it's just about reflexes and reaction times. An "ordinary" mugger or rapist on the street probably wouldn't react fast enough if Felicity pulled out pepper spray or something of the sort. The Count, however, is part of the criminal elite and probably knows some fighting, so I don't think it would have made Felicity look bad if she wasn't fast enough to take him down. But going in there alone and unarmed just doesn't seem like something a girl as intelligent as Felicity would do. Some have pointed out that she didn't expect The Count and his minions to still be keeping watch over the van - I get it, but I don't know, it seemed like a reckless move to me.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. We had female in dangers, but that someone would be in danger in a show like this, has to be expected. Or is Roy in your opinion a "Dude in Distress" after getting rescued at least three times this season so far? Or Oliver when he rescued last episode? Was Moira a "Damsel in Distress" when she outsmarted Malcolm?
ReplyDeleteAlso, you are using the term "Woman in Refrigerator" wrong. This trope refers to a woman who is killed in a most gruesome manner and left behind for the hero to find in order to prompt action from him. Shado was simply shot, in front of Oliver's eyes. It is not even "dropped of a bridge" in this set-up. It's more a Lost Lenore.
It was a stupid move, but in this case, I didn't mind, because Felicity would be too perfect if she would always do the right thing and it worked in terms of storytelling. If she had gotten captured by no fault of her own, the scene between her and Oliver when she apologizes for making him kill again would be less powerful. Because than it would not be her fault, she had no reason to apologize at all. But since it was her reckless decision which created the situation in which Oliver was forced to act, the scene works on every level.
ReplyDeleteI agree, I can think of tons of pairs like Laurel and Felicity: the boring unlikable Mary Sue vs. the underdog who unexpectedly wins over the audience. For example, Kate and Juliet on Lost (in Season 5 at least), Lana and Chloe on Smallville, Elena and Caroline on The Vampire Diaries. For some reason, half the shows on TV seem to have that Laurel-like character: vapid, bland, cold, shrill, annoying, has various men fall at her feet for no apparent reason, lacks complexity and a personality. Most irritating of all: the writers keep TELLING us how awesome she is (usually via other characters: "Elena, you are so compassionate and strong...") instead of SHOWING. Why they miss the un-appeal of such characters, all while writing likable women like Felicity, Moira, Shado, Sara and Sin, is beyond me.
ReplyDeleteI didn't say that Shado is less strong because she was portrayed as a damsel in distress. I didn't say that Felicity's only purpose is romantic storyline either. But again, Oliver and John were hacking stuff well before Felicity joins the Arrow team. And it is because Felicity is a fan favourite character that she ended up becoming a main character, not because her abilities.
ReplyDeleteThere's a difference between having some above-average computer skills and being an expert computer hacker who can infiltrate nearly every system. Why did Oliver recruit Diggle to his cause? Because he realized he couldn't do things on his own. That's the same reason they asked Felicity to join them. Many shows have a resident tech-geek, like Willow on Buffy, Birkhoff on Nikita, Marshall on Alias... heck, even Batman has Lucius Fox! The hero(ine) can't do everything on his/her own.
ReplyDeleteYou *are* correct that Felicity's role was expanded well beyond what it was originally intended to be, since she was hugely popular with fans. Still, she has a place in the show and fits in logically. That's the problem with Laurel, for the love of me I (like many others) don't understand what she's doing on the show.
Also, just because we don't know Felicity's backstory or anything about her family yet, doesn't mean it won't come up. And frankly, it's nice that for once, a character doesn't have a tortured past and didn't endure horrible losses (as far as we know). She's just part of the team because she believes it's the right thing to do. I hope it stays that way.
And in last year's "The Odyssey". And how she helped him dismantle one of Malcom's earthquake devices in the S1 finale. And how she put herself in harm's way in "The Undertaking" and "Broken Dolls" to help out, despite having no skills in the field... etc etc. What a pointless character.
ReplyDeleteI call it "Strong female character gone bad". It is always the character written as love interest, and it always comes down to "why exactly is the male lead suppose to like her?" Sara Ellis, Rachel Zane, Laurel Lance, they all are more or less variations of the same unlikable character. Career-oriented, but we never see them being particularly good at their jobs, we are just constantly told that they are even when they act like idiots. Theoretically kick-ass but practically unable to take care of themselves. Demanding in relationships, but somehow exactly what the (apparently masochists) male lead wants. And they all have a so called "sensitive site", which I guess is there to make us feel for them, but makes them usually just come off as whiny compared to the real problems we see on the show in question. And nobody ever says anything bad about them, no matter what they do.
ReplyDeleteLaurel is for me somewhere inbetween Rachel and Sara....Rachel is in itself not necessarily a bad character, it is just that the other characters in the show don't react to her the way they realistically should. Sara was a badly acted, shoehorned in nuisance (and for once, I don't mean miscast, the ability of the actress was way under the level of everyone else on the show). Laurel is in itself not really an interesting or likable character, but her main crime is that she adds nothing to the show while hogging screentime. But I really liked her with Tommy, so I am not ready to harp on the actress, or say that everything involving her was bad. I just don't want the show to waste time on her if there are so many so much better options.
You mean "because he failed to save my ex-boyfriend who only was in danger in the first place because I didn't head any warnings and stayed in an earthquake zone"
ReplyDeleteI guess this really was the straw which broke the camels back. Up to this point. Laurel's character was mostly boring, but didn't disturb that much and at least worked in relations to Quentin and Tommy. But when Tommy died because a couple of files were sooooo important, she got the "stupid bint" label. And when it turned out that CNRI is gone either way, and she kept whining about everything being the Hood's fault...that was the moment, every bit of sympathy died.
Exactly. Oliver was in danger this week and Barry, Felicity, and Diggle had to save him. Diggle was in danger this week and Oliver had to save him. Roy was in danger this week and Oliver had to save him. Slade was in danger last week and Oliver, Shado, and Sara got him Mirakuru to save him.
ReplyDeleteI'm getting tired of the trope that a female character is always a dasmel in distress and always defined only by a love story when the male characters are too dasmel in disress and defined by their love story, but for a female character it's so wrong and about a male character nobody complains. C'mon. If it's wrong it should be wrong for both male and female characters but it can't be wrong only for just one sex.
I do not know what everyone problem is, she is the best in the show, the love of Oliver Queen's life and future wife, Felicity is nothing compared to her, also Katie is Better looking than Felicity, felicity is annoying, a geek and a loser, and this is coming from a loser. Felicity marries someone else anyway so boo hoo every one else
ReplyDeleteExactly. Her roles at SPN and Melrose were just more suitable for her limited range. Her role at Arrow was her opportunity to shine and show her range, but sadly that didn't work out. She does have a potential to do better on Arrow if they make her a villain or if she becomes a vigilante, because those roles would fit her range better, but it might be too little too late then. Especially when Sara works so well for me as the Black Canary already.
ReplyDeleteplus if I was a man I would not even want to sleep with Felicity, she is just blah, but I hate both women because they are blonde's who are playing brunette characters, so team Roy Harper anyway
ReplyDeleteWell, it is wrong when it is always the same sex, or if the female character has training but doesn't manage to fight of anything while the male character, who has not training at all challenges the attacker...one of the best scenes they had for Laurel was when Tommy was hiding behind the sofa while Laurel was stalking the criminal with her shotgun. Naturally they had to fuck it up later on, when conveniently her weapon didn't work right, but as long as the question who is in distress and what kind of distress depends on the abilities of the characters and not on the gender I am good.
ReplyDeleteExactly. Her expressionless face ruined the scene for me, and that scene had potential. Had she played it right, it would have helped me be more positive about her.
ReplyDeleteLaurel is the female character I least like on this show, not because of shipping or anything else, but because KC just doesn't bring enough life in her acting to this character for me.
But the thing is, on Arrow, it's not always the same sex. It's always both sexes. All the men in this show this week in the present storyline (Roy, Oliver, Quentin, Diggle) were on the losing side too this week. That's is why I am fine with that and don't get this criticism when it comes to Arrow.
ReplyDeleteIt's true that eventually Oliver tends to get the upper hand but that's because he is the main character of this show. Still, there were enough times where he needed female characters such as Sara, Shado, and Felicity to rescue him and there will be more in the future.
with that I have to agree.
ReplyDeleteYou don't have to convince me concerning Arrow...mostly. I think the way they wrote Laurel in the first season was problematic, with her always charging ahead, but then not being able to deal with the situation she found herself in.
ReplyDeleteI also get where they were coming from. They wanted to show that Laurel had some knowledge in self defence, that her father did teach him some basic defence skills. In the first season, I could see more potential in Laurel becoming the Black Canary eventually due to those scenes than I could see in Tommy ever becoming the Dark Archer, because Tommy always appeared to be defenseless compared to Laurel.
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Exactly. Her roles at SPN and Melrose were just more suitable for her limited range. Her role at Arrow was her opportunity to shine and show her range, but sadly that didn't work out. She does have a potential to do better on Arrow if they make her a villain or if she becomes a vigilante, because those roles would fit her range better, but it might be too little too late then. Especially when Sara works so well for me as the Black Canary already.
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LOL she wasnt good, likely you just had lower standards back then, and the thing is in Supernatural she cast in a more suited role ...
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"and this is coming from a loser" So you mean you are a loser, right?..
ReplyDeleteEveryone is entitled to get one thing right...
ReplyDeleteI mean I don't understand her sentence. I tried to say it in my mother language but I'm lost.
ReplyDeletei think it's more down to the writers than her acting ability
ReplyDeleteFYI, I flagged your comment.
ReplyDeleteOr if they suddenly revealed that the Lance family had a George Foreman-esk tendency to give all their children the same first name, and therefore revealed that Sara was really Dinah Sara Lance, would that make a difference? ;)
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHA!!! "Ollie's one twu wuv" hahahah that was funny. Ikr?? I could tolerate her when she was with Tommy, hell i was rooting for it!! This is just downright ridiculous. And with Oliver, i swear to god, i see ZERO chemistry. And it's not b/c i'm an Olicity shipper. (I started to ship them like episode 12 or something but not right away). It's just NOT there!! Every time she shows up around him, it's like whyyyyy. She does NOTHING for him. If anything she probably makes him worse. Not better. He needs a strong hang woman to put him in check (cough Felicity cough). And i really hope Ollie can move on from her..SOON!! I wish Diggle would speak up and say something (bros before hoes, hahaha) Unfortunately it's too late to recast her. Guess we have no choice but to deal with her. (ROLLS EYES)....I love Alex O'Loughlin, i did watch H50, but then i lost interest. I did enjoy him in Moonlight., i think if given the chance it would've gotten better. And having Jason Dohring on there was a real plus (for me anyway).
ReplyDeleteIdt Felicity has "gun quality" that's not her. But i could see her with a gun or a taser. OMG! If Ollie shows her how to shoot a bow, i will lose my mind!!! It would be the CUTEST THING EVER!!! (Sorry, got an image in my head and started fangirling, lol moving on) With her and the Count, i think it was just an impulse. Idt she was thinking anyone would be there that late at night. I wasn't annoyed but i do wish she could've had used her environment to find something heavy and knock him out. But i'm assuming her fear just took over. But they cut that scene and next we knew she was tired to a chair. There's really no telling if she put up a struggle or not. I'm guessing Oliver will tell her, or Diggle, to carry something on her in the near future, or at least I hope so.
ReplyDeleteRe Laurel & Tommy, I've been dying to post this somewhere because it makes the case in 1:12 minutes:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2ueZ42dHI
Notice how many times she smiles in this video? More than the rest of the series combined, I think! Tommy made her more watchable. But when she's with Ollie it's always heavy-handed, forlorn DRAMA. Groan.
95% of Laurel's scenes have nothing to do with the apparently blooming romance between Oliver and Felicity, and wouldn't have been any better if Felicity didn't exist. It's one thing to say that the writers are pandering to Oliver/Felicity shippers by writing a romance between them (I can even agree with that to some extent), instead of pursuing the Oliver/Laurel pairing. It's quite another thing to pinpoint that as the reason why Laurel is being poorly written. Laurel should be an interesting and likable character as an individual, regardless of being anyone's love interest. If that's not happening, that's because the writers have no idea how to write her, not because they're pandering to Oliver/Felicity shippers. O/F romance and writing Laurel properly aren't mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteThat could work. Moira and Thea already have the same middle name, Dearden. :)
ReplyDeleteI guess Arrow realized it wants to be a "loser show", hence Felicity's role becoming much bigger than originally planned, whereas "the best [character] in the show", Laurel, is fading into the background (even literally - see the S2 promotional poster). Oh well! I'm sure they can get Laurel a spin-off while Ollie, Diggle, Felicity, Roy, Moira, Quentin, Slade, Sara and the rest of those losers keep sucking on Arrow.
ReplyDeleteOOOOOH now I understand!! Thank you Alex.
ReplyDeleteI hated Laurel before Felicity even made an appearance. I guess I can see the future, because someone hating Laurel on the character's own merits it crazy talk! It has to be Felicity's fault!
ReplyDeleteIts mostly Katie Cassidy fans acting like purists. Over on on the SuperheroHype forums most comic fans prefer Sara and want Laurel gone.
ReplyDeleteI'd rather them just kill Laurel off. Have Slade kill her in his war against Oliver. That would establish him as a high-level threat in present day Starling City.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to deal with her sucking the life out of every scene she's in on the off chance that someday down the line she might be entertaining to watch.
Especially when Laurel just isn't needed. We have a great Black Canary in Sara. We have great partners for Oliver in Diggle and Felicity (and possibly Roy, Sin, and Thea one day). We have Quentin as the link to law enforcement and someone who can bring cases to Arrow's attention.
Laurel just has no place on the show.
I don't think it's their middle name, I think it's moira's maiden name.
ReplyDeleteI thought she was okay in the pilot, but it's down hill after that.
ReplyDeleteThey had a longterm plan for every other character, they must has had a plan for Laurel too. I wonder if we'll ever know what it was, and why it was changed.
Oh, I didn't think of that. It could be. She could be Moira Dearden Queen Steele if she wanted to drive people crazy. :D
ReplyDeleteI didn't know she was suppose to be Black Canary. It would complicate now that we have a BC but keep her in (voted) I like her, I think they can write her with more improvements. Such as maybe she became abit more ferocious rather than drinking herself away. I hope the tradegy will help her to become stronger and the character storyline got potential.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they will yank her out of the show because she was originally meant to be the love interest for Oliver. I'm just saying, and surely there are going to be surprises with her we don't know yet.
Oliver kept going to Felicity so that she could find out stuff for him long before she joined the team. Which was pretty awkward, because his excuses were embarrassing. Sooner or later the writers would have been forced to find a solution for this situation, either by bringing Oliver and John up to speed and somehow explaining away them having this kind of abilities (not really believable, especially in Oliver's case) or by at least telling Felicity the truth, if not bringing her fully into the team. They went for the latter.
ReplyDeleteI hope they keep it that way, too.
ReplyDeleteAnd I like the detail that Felicity is Jewish. Well, I guess Willow was too, but it never really played much of a role. Loved when she said that she would lighten her Menorah on Christmas.
Your right! I was also hoping she would be interesting. I was supporting her a bit in my previous post but guess I was wrong. I wanted to give her a chance to suck it up and do better but she isn't doing anything.It's like watching some robot talk. Every scene she has with Oliver is boring and Stephen is the only one who shows any kind of expression. Frankly they have no chemistry either.
ReplyDeleteAtleast being a geek and a so called loser(which I refuse to believe) Felicity has more screen time then Laurel ever did from the 1st season. Bringing in Felicity is actually a big thing considering her in the comics and from being a one or two episode character to series regular it's a huge jump and shows how creators are alright to change a story.
ReplyDeleteWhat I've realized is Felicity is like tv magic and reminds me of Chloe from smallville with her punch lines and crazy,cute and funny dialoges and her interaction with the diggle and oliver is what makes things click on the show. Hate me all you want but Laurel is just boring and robotic and the two or three scenes(I can't even remember how many because she was that bad) she appeared in 2.09 was sad boring and really painful to watch considering her zero improvements in being expressive.
Hahahah! I stepped right into that one huh? You were just dying to post this. lol And i agree, when Tommy was on she was more watchable. And i liked them together. Tommy was adorable. I miss him. I hope he'll continue to make appearances (in flashback sequences of course).
ReplyDeleteI voted other bc i like Sara as BC. Keep her.... uhm,not sure. Anything goes....no,please not anything. Remove her....permanently??(...remove her sounds a bit harsh..)
ReplyDeleteBut idk i'm still trying to figure out if she had plastic surgery or if she's rocking too much botox.Seriously,I've reached the point where all I do in her scenes is watch to see if
her forehead or eyes move. Out of 5 episodes, I've seen *one* forehead
twitch.
She just seems stiff and awkward.
Idk, imo she isn't a bad actress but she lacks of facial expressions..massivly and she's skinnier than i remember her to be.
I liked her as Ruby in SPN.....but when i watched Arrow for the first time i didn't even recognise her bc she looks so different.Not sure if her facial expressions were like this on SPN back then.
Can't she just change back into her old self again? I think if she would be like back then when she played Ruby i could even ship her with Oliver but atm they do have anti- chemistry.
That said, I don't ship him with Felicity right now, either. I like the actress,her character and her SL but imo she needs to loosen up a bit bc you can see her acting.
Tommy should switch places with her!! Great point you made there. People have mentioned about the Botox thing. I think it's true. She seems zero emotionless. She looked better in season 1 and I thought Tommy acentuated her beauty in all the scenes he was there with her. They shouldn't have killed Tommy off.
ReplyDeleteThanks! :)
ReplyDeleteAnd now that you mentioned it....i also think that Lauren was much more likeable when she was with Tommy in S1.
They were a good couple.(imo a better match than Oliver and Laurel)
Sadly, he is gone now(i still fail to see why they had to kill him)... and her SL seems to have done the same.
Welcome! :) She was really pretty in s1. Her face seemed really nice and smiling when she was with Tommy. Tommy was so funny and witty and always cracks me up. Your right. Laurel and Tommy were really epic and he was so deeply in love with her and it showed on her face. It's like Oliver and Felicity It shows on Oliver's face.
ReplyDeleteOliver and Laurel have no chemistry like you said. It's becoming really obvious. If they did have chemistry laurel and Oliver would have more scenes together which apparently they don't.
And you spoke out my mind. Even I don't know why they killed tommy off. I understand his dad becomes The dark archer but they could have just kept him for the fact he gave an amazing humour to the show in dark times and made Laurel use her forehead more.
Felicity already is the lead female. You just have to glance at the promo pictures with her and Diggle flanking Oliver to see that. She doesn't need to be the love interest to be the most important female in the show.
ReplyDeleteFelicity already is the lead female, love interest or not. Next in line is Thea, who will certainly never be Oliver's love interest. Then Moira. And then, at the very end, stands Laurel. It is not the way it was planned, but it is the way it happened.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Felicity is the lead female, and we see it in the amount of screentime she gets each episode, her position in this season's poster, the promotion done to this show (how many interviews did Emily make for Arrow recently vs. the amount of interviews KC had?) and the promo pictures.
ReplyDeleteConsidering that making her the Black Canary would involve killing of the current Canary, a character I adore already....please no! Why fixing something which isn't broken?
ReplyDeleteI agree. Love interest or not she is the main female right now with most scenes in every episodes. Felicity is a strong character on her own and she has become indispensable as a member of team Arrow.
ReplyDeleteLaurel's importance in the story line is not dependent on Felicity or Olicity. Right now she is like an outsider looking into the plot which may change with the brother blood connection.
While I agree writers are not doing any favor to Laurel this season, that is not the only reason she gets the flack. Even in season 1 when she was given prominent scenes KC failed to deliver especially scenes with Oliver and when her mom came to visit. I think that's the reason she slowly faded to the background. I have seen comic book geeks who adore Black canary hating on Laurel and KC's portrayal. To put the blame on Olicity fans is just silly.
I have thought about it further and I guess the problem is two-fold. For one Sara's backstory is so much more interesting than Laurel's. She made a mistake and paid heavily for it. We might not like the girl who slept with her sister's boyfriend, but we like what she become later on, someone who survived true hardships and still managed to hold on some morals. Laurel on the other hand did loose her sister which in turn tore her family apart...but otherwise, she actually had a great life. We are living in a time when everyone is happy even having a job, and she did one she really liked, and now went on two one with a very decent pay. She had friends, romantic relationships, more or less everything we hope to have in our adult life. While her being hit hard by Tommy's dead is understandable, EVERYONE was hit hard by it. He was not just her boyfriend, he was also Oliver's best friend and like a big brother for Thea (even though they didn't know about the blood connection). So her problems seem to be minor compared with what more or less everyone else in the show has to deal with.
ReplyDeleteThe other part of the problem is the actual role she plays. At this stage, she doesn't have the training to be the Black Canary. As love interest, she was wrong as soon as Oliver cheated on her with her sister, chemistry or not. If there were really so much in love with each other, he would have never ever done it. As lawyer, she just keeps looking foolish, considering that the show insist on putting across all the time that the law in Starling City is not only blind, but also crippled. She just isn't needed.
She isn't needed in more ways than one. Smh, ugh! Just talking about her makes me roll my eyes. Tbh, I really don't care that Sara slept with Oliver, or visa versa, b/c let's be honest when it's about siblings, Someone is always fooling around with said bf, or gf. Maybe Sara and Laurel weren't that tight, maybe Sara fell in love with Oliver, maybe Oliver fell in love with Sara, instead of just being the playboy he presumed to be, who knows? We still never got the whole story on that anyway. I for one, don't even care if they never bring it up again. And if Oliver "truly" loved Laurel he wouldn't cheat on her, i don't believe that either, b/c that's just what people tend to do, no matter how "in love" they are. (not all people, but most) Past is past and Sara and Oliver have both learned from that. And i honestly think Sara will never make that mistake again, or Oliver for that matter.
ReplyDeleteI feel like for Laurel to become SOMEWHAT likeable (if there actually is a shot at this point, i highly doubt it) she has to face the crap she's been through, and just push forward already. I mean let's take Thea for example, she was going through this "whoa as me" phase, but once she met Roy, sometime between then and now, she became SO much stronger!! I feel like Laurel will have to go through something much more hard hitting. B/c apparently losing Tommy, "losing Sara" just made her weaker not stronger. I get it, she's grieving, but c'mon. Everyone else has kinda picked themselves up, why can't she do the same?? The woman needs counseling. I wish her Mother, would come back in the picture and whip her into shape. Something. I really want to know WHAT it WOULD take to make this woman BC. Does she have to know Sara's alive? Does Quentin have to die? Does her supposedly current love interest' identity have to be revealed?? I mean honestly, what will it take to make her stronger, instead of a Debbie Downer!?!?!
What? The last thing on earth I would do is fooling around with my sister's boyfriend. I have no idea what fucked up families and relationships you experienced, but nothing of this is anywhere close in the area of "normal" or "healthy". Oliver and Sara were both dicks back then. They grew out of it, the hard way, but that doesn't change the fact that they were.
ReplyDeleteLove the actress but the character kinda irritates me :DD She goes in the "I love hating her" type of character ^^
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, I never said YOU would. And I would NEVER do that, my family nor my friends are fucked up, to do something like that. I'm not speaking from personal experience, are you crazy? 'What I was saying is that, shit like that happens, it's not brand spanking new turn on events that's unheard of. I was saying that both Ollie and Sara learned from their mistakes, and would NEVER do something like that again. I also said we don't know the full reason of why they did it to begin with. THAT"S what I was saying. But like I said I really don't want to go back to that triangle. B/c it would be pointless.
ReplyDeleteWell, you did write "always" so it sounded like you consider it normal if siblings act that way (and it really isn't).
ReplyDeleteI guess, Sara was in love...at least, it sounded that way. Oliver was just a dick.
I didn't say it was normal. But it's not something that's unheard of either. But i'm also not going to get shocked about it either. Disappointed yes, shocked no. I mean it does happen IRL too. I can't pretend that it doesn't. The Jackson Family, Woody Allen, Morgan Freeman (allegedly). Some people just keep it in the family. And don't have moral code. Smh. (to name a few)
ReplyDeleteI think Sara could've been in love with Ollie, it didn't seem like a fling on her part. And we really don't know how close Sara and Laurel were. But anyway, yeah soo how did you check out the EW spoilers? And FTR...I'm an only child.
No, but let me guess: "There will be more Olicity in the future"...yawn....
ReplyDeleteNo, not at all. LMAO....we have some guests coming up, and i'm thinking it's going to get a lot heavier than what we've seen so far.
ReplyDeleteLets not pretend the writers haven't spent the last 10 or whatever episodes pandering to shippers at the expense of the show's lead female.
ReplyDeleteAnd the loudest ship groups aren't usually as big as they seem. They're just loud and annoying so it seems like there's a bunch of them. Like One Million Moms. There's not really a million of them.