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POLL : What did you think of The Vampire Diaries - Fifty Shades of Grayson?

13 Dec 2013

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50 comments:

  1. robinclank213 December 2013 at 02:11

    wow that was BAD. and that final scene with damon and elena i was like bitch

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  2. Ron13 December 2013 at 02:18

    i dont know what you talking bout cause i havent watched the episode... but im laughing my a** off ahaha

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  3. Klaus13 December 2013 at 02:18

    the Arrow mid-season finale was way better.... I don't think TVD's was bad, but not the best

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  4. Aydrian13 December 2013 at 02:23

    Yep...the Damon apologists finally succeeded. I no longer give a shit about Damon. Good job guys, your ability to excuse every single evil thing he has ever done has finally brought me to a point where I can't tolerate him anymore.


    And the funny thing is that Damon's actions aren't the thing that's bothering me. It's the damn apologists. When Enzo called Damon a monster, tumblr exploded with 'He's not a monster!". Are you kidding me? Damon is a monster! He's done these completely horrible things and he's not the least bit sorry for most of them.


    And then there are those people who argue "Stefan did all of these horrible things too" yeah, but when he did them his emotions were turned off. The moment he got them back he hated himself for the things he did. Damon does horrible things no matter his state of mind, no matter how happy he is, because that's who he is.


    And the Damon apologists don't know wtf they want with him. They want Damon to still be Damon, but they also want to ignore all of the horrible stuff he does at the same time. That makes no sense! His dark side is part of who he is, you can't just accept one part of that darkness and completely ignore the other.


    Now I will admit, Damon has those moments when he does something good. Or those VERY few times he feels actual guilt. Like with Enzo, he had A LOT of guilt there. But the Damon apologists use those few moments to justify all of those moments when Damon does in fact act like a monster.


    Since I apparently didn't make it clear enough last time, which is weird since it was right at the top of my post, I don't hate Damon for his actions. I know what Damon is and I accepted the fact that he's not in any definition a good person, and he probably NEVER will be. Oddly enough, I seem to have an easier time accepting Damon than his apologists do. So let me make that part PERFECTLY CLEAR: I don't hate Damon for who he is, I hate Damon for what his apologists keep doing. His fans are making him less likable. That's a problem.


    And they couldn't allow Stefan and Katherine to be happy for more than one episode could they? If they kill Katherine, then I will only have Elena, and I haven't been able to stand her this season. Combined with Stefan being the show's favorite punching bag I'm losing reasons to continue watching.

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  5. MK13 December 2013 at 02:27

    PLEASEEEEEE Katherine I don't want you to die….Wow didn't think I would ever write that sentence but yet here I am

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  6. Sara13 December 2013 at 02:30

    I really didn't think that Damon was going to be the one to break-up with Elena. I thought she was going to decide she wanted Stefan back (after she found out about him and Katherine).


    This wasn't a very good mid-season finale. I was disappointed Elena didn't have that stuff injected into her and start craving vampire blood though.


    Where is Bonnie? Has she just been in agonizing pain the last two episodes or what?

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  7. Sarah13 December 2013 at 02:36

    The episode was okay. I hope to see the end of Wes for a while. Aaron's reaction to everything was interesting. I hope Elena runs into him more often now that Damon broke it off. I didn't see that coming. I don't understand why everyone is worried about whether Damon is good or bad. He's both, and he's usually portrayed as both. He's a psychopath who loved Elena enough to let her go. Multifaceted characters are what people make of them.

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  8. Aydrian13 December 2013 at 02:42

    On another note, Katherine and Stefan had sex and less than a day later she had a heart attack. I guess he really is that good.

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  9. NiceGuyVan13 December 2013 at 03:36

    being evil is normal for a vampire, heck killing is normal for a good vampire too... so don't sweat it to much

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  10. JoeGlass13 December 2013 at 04:27

    You're aware that you're a Stefan apologist, right? He's killed
    hundreds of people. If someone points that out you say well he's...
    sorry about it? Numbers wise, they seem to have killed a similar number
    of people. In the same league anyway, one way or another; Katherine
    and the originals would have killed many times the number either of them
    have killed.

    You just like one of them and dislike the other and you're annoyed that some people don't agree with you.

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  11. Jenni Lou13 December 2013 at 05:16

    Basically I'm wondering what Aaron is gonna do with that syringe he snagged. Like, he doesn't even know what's in it. Weird happening there. But I like him. I could tolerate him sticking around for awhile longer.

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  12. Shannon13 December 2013 at 05:26

    IKR?? Idk why Aaron bothered to pick it up either. It's not like he knows what it is, despite w/e research he has kept away. He doesn't know exactly what chemical that is. And wth would he do with it anyway?? I didn't get that. Hopefully they'll clear that up.

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  13. Aydrian13 December 2013 at 05:59

    You've read absolutely nothing have you? Did I say that Stefan is absolved of his sins because he feels bad about it? No I didn't. Comparing someone who didn't have the capacity to feel while he was murdering someone, to someone who did and simply chose not to feel is sketchy at best.


    Damon kills because he likes to kill, Stefan kills in defense of the people he loves, or when his humanity has been turned off and he doesn't care. There's a HUGE difference between the two, and HUGE differences in personal responsibility. It's the difference between a murderer and a sociopath. And there are differences.


    A sociopath is completely incapable of empathy. Even if they know something is wrong, they don't have the capacity to care. Not just about the kill, but about ANYTHING. A murderer is a lot different. They're usually driven by very real emotions to commit their crimes. They choose to ignore how wrong it is. Even if the crime is the same, the criminal isn't. That's why murderers and sociopaths are tried differently.


    In case it needs to be explained:

    Evil Stefan: Sociopath
    Normal Stefan: Empathetic and caring
    Evil Damon: Sociopath
    Normal Damon: Murderer


    Now, being emotionless doesn't absolve Stefan of the things he's done wrong. Not even a little bit. Being a nicer person doesn't erase his crimes. But it does show a much greater attempt to redeem himself than Damon has EVER done.


    So no, I'm not a Stefan apologist. I acknowledge the things he's done wrong, but I'm also smart enough to know that Stefan and Damon have had completely different circumstances behind doing the things they did. They are NOT the same, because Evil Stefan would have done what Damon did to that family, but Normal Stefan wouldn't have. Both Evil and Normal Damon would have and DID.


    Oh, and apparently because people missed it AGAIN, I said right there in my post that I don't hate Damon because of what he's done, I hate Damon because his apologists excuse every bad thing he does. They're not the same thing. I don't excuse Stefan's actions, he's done some horrible things, but he and Damon couldn't be more different in their execution.

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  14. aron13 December 2013 at 07:45

    And I kinda like Damon now just because you're so against him. ;)

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  15. Sara13 December 2013 at 08:01

    Stefan & Damon don't have split personalities - none of the vampires on this show do (with the exception of Alaric who did have an alter ego). They all have a good side (everyone seems to have a short list of people they care about) and a bad side. Both Stefan & Damon would kill scores of people to save Elena (who is now a vampire & a murderer).

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  16. Bailey13 December 2013 at 08:08

    Oh, me too. Who's this Damon guy? Love him. lol. (Love Stefan too actually, and was really just enjoying an episode with a little more brotherly interaction for once, though I still wish it had been more.)

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  17. Kwacenka13 December 2013 at 08:09

    That episode kind of disappointed me, I expected so much more from mid-season finale.

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  18. ralu_dani13 December 2013 at 08:50

    Why do TVD writers feel the need to put the characters of this show through so much pain? I guess more than 10 episodes of happiness for Elena and Damon was to much to hope for ( and we didn't even get enough good Delena moments god damn those writers). I really liked all the Damon scenes in this episode. He really did something completely unselfish, when he broke up with Elena for her own good, and stupid stupid Elena let him ( I'm really hating season 5 Elena). I know all the talk about bad bad Damon, yes he is bad but we love him all the same; I haven't made up my mind if he is a bad person who does good things, or he is a good person (somewhere deeeeeep) who does bad things. I just know he is everything a girls wants in a sexy bad boy who you can't stop dreaming about.
    I got two ideas about Damon from this episode: He will do absolutely anything for Elena ( even stupidly sacrifice his own happiness) and he still cares about Enzo because he gave him the antidote even if he knew Elena was safe......I believe this relationship is not over yet.
    Katherine was amazing like always, I really hope she doesn't die, maybe she will jump into Nadia's body....and make out with both Stefan and Matt....this sounds like the making of a veeery jucy triangle
    I leave this midseason finale with one thought: Elena please do not go back to Stefan because we, all the people who are watching this show are going to die of boredom, if you have to move on, pleeeeaaase find someone else ( but remember we will hate you forever :))))))

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  19. agatha2213 December 2013 at 09:33

    Damon's a monster, Again. I mean, we've been here before right? I feel there was no need to go back to that, he had evolved so much over the last couple of seasons; it's like, if you want to create a complication for Damon and Elena, that's fine, but be creative about it. Like Stefan and Katherine, that is so good and new, I just love it (too bad it probably won't last). And Damon saying he's bad for her? I'm pretty sure I've heard that one before.. except Stefan used to be the one to say it, about himself and his brother.
    I think the episode belonged to Katherine, she was great on every single scene: with Matt (who is becoming much more interesting I think), Stefan, Nadia... Also, loving Stefan. I don't hate Damon and Elena, just getting a little tired of the same 'she-is-too-good-for-him' dynamic.

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  20. Carrigon13 December 2013 at 11:05

    I wish they had let Elena become the super vampire killer. They totally copped out on it. It would have been so awesome to have her not be able to be around Stefan and Damon because she would want to drink their blood. She wouldn't be able to be around Caroline either. It would have created tons of great scenes. What a shame they didn't go with that story.

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  21. Joy Haldar13 December 2013 at 11:23

    they will go there,that's why we have to wait for the second half of the season!!

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  22. Madison13 December 2013 at 13:03

    hell way to ruin a mid-season finale. could the writers think of a more lame break-up excuse? seriously, what the hell happened between those two? + possibly killing off the only likeable character left (K.). way to go, Julie Plec, way to go.

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  23. JoeGlass13 December 2013 at 13:51

    Your post is peppered with statements you view as fact, which are actually opinions. eg. 'Damon kills because he likes to kill. Etc…'

    The thing is, we have different views on the characters. I don't see Stefan as empathetic and caring. That's how Damon, Elena and Lexi see him, but they all love him, so they see him with that in mind. However an empathetic person couldn't act the way Stefan does. For instance, he attacks Damon's character.(you may think Damon doesn't have any, but this isn't something a remorseful person would do. They forgive so that they in turn can be forgiven. Not doing so is blatant hypocrisy.) In contrast Damon doesn't view his brother as a monster, despite the boatloads of people he's killed.

    Stefan recently went on a cross country killing spree(not his first, but I digress), for an 'empathetic' person he's gotten over this pretty quickly.

    Damon on the other hand seems to internalize his guilt. It affects his self image, for instance, he didn't believe he was worthy of Elena because of the things he's done. Stefan shows no such self-doubt, with respect to his relationship with Elena or anyone else for that matter.

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  24. Aydrian13 December 2013 at 13:57

    You seem to have completely forgotten that they do in fact have split personalities. I mean seriously, there was like half a season of Stefan being COMPLETELY different with an entirely different personality. There were even multiple flashbacks to his Ripper days.

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  25. Aydrian13 December 2013 at 14:10

    Of course he attacks Damon's character. He doesn't like it when someone he deeply cares for murders people. How does that in any way mean he's not empathetic and caring? Why have SO many people forgotten that every time Stefan has gone on a killing spree, he was either compelled or a Ripper? Does that excuse his actions? No. But at least they were out of his control.

    What is Damon's excuse? He had every reason to be happy. He had the woman of his dreams and he was still murdering people. And listing the one good thing he's done in quite a while as proof that Damon is changing is doesn't outweigh a thing. He did an awesome thing. That's good of him. Maybe he's finally putting some serious effort into it.

    But don't fool yourself. He came to that conclusion only after someone called him out on it. It would have been more significant if he had reached it on his own. If he had, at any point, looked back on his actions and felt guilt before someone MADE him feel it.

    This could very well lead him down a path of redemption, HOWEVER, he doesn't get points simply for making the attempt. With him giving up Elena, he's finally putting a lot of effort into it. He barely was before.

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  26. JoeGlass13 December 2013 at 15:15

    My problem with Stefan attacking Damon's character is that Stefan seems to feel like he's morally superior, despite his body count. Weighing their relative morality is a job for someone who isn't wading in the blood of hundreds of people. Someone who felt bad about what they've done would know that.

    Damon feeling unworthy isn't new. It goes back to season 1.

    As far as redemption goes, I don't really think that's possible for most of the cast to be honest. Certainly not in real world terms.

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  27. ralu_dani13 December 2013 at 16:39

    I loved that rationalization with evil brother and normal brother, but I have to remind you about the time in the beginning of season 3 when Stefan was killing people for Klaus and he wasn't compelled and he hadn't switched his humanity yet, he was paying for the warewolf cure. He was normal Stefan, and he had choices if he hated killing so much ( he could have run like Katherine or he could have taken the ring off during the day to kill himself....) so lets not pretend there is a difference between Stefan and Damon when it comes to murder, they are both murderers. The difference between them is that Stefan is a hypocrite and Damon is not. This discussion about who is more redeemable and who is the big bad is kind of pointless, this is a show people with hot vampires who kill ( more often or not ) for different reasons, but we like them because / in spite of the fact they are bad. So....the Damon shippers will always defend Damon no mater what and the Stefan shippers...you know.

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  28. magil13 December 2013 at 17:22

    And kind of a Katherine apologist and an everyone else apologist.

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  29. littlebit56113 December 2013 at 20:12

    Damon breakup with Elena was sad. Damon is a monster he always been and Elena knew that. Going in. He just dose not want her to like him that why he broke up with her. What really kinda upsetting me is the Stefan and Katherine thing. You know why he slept with her because she look like Elena he still loves her. When are they going to get Stefan and Caroline together. They keep dropping little hints towards it but nothing happening. I can't wait for it to come back

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  30. Luana Arturi13 December 2013 at 20:47

    I liked that Damon finally said something of what all of us have been thinking and I liked all that deal about him saying I love you the way you are and I'm changing you, which is true. What scares me is that without him Elena will go back to her boring self-righteous self. Also it bothered me that the break up was a pretty important scene and it was just bad, it didn't make you feel anything, it was just plane. Everything felt like just bad writing.

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  31. Sarah13 December 2013 at 21:17

    He probably wanted to throw it away before Wes could use it. That was my take on it.

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  32. Sarah13 December 2013 at 21:20

    You think Katherine might jump into Nadia's body? I didn't even think of that. Of course they might not be able to interact face-to-face if they did that.

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  33. Sarah13 December 2013 at 21:26

    I don't think Wes will try the same thing on Elena twice, especially since she's starting to see eye-to-eye with Augustine. If she volunteers for some kind of research to continue her father's work passively, that would be potentially game-changing. Augustine might not feel the need to make Elena a monster that has to be conditioned. If anything, she just needs to be stronger.

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  34. Sarah13 December 2013 at 21:28

    I didn't like that either. Elena should have been the one breaking up with Damon. I at least hoped to see her defend Aaron more. We didn't even see her thank him for helping while he was being held hostage. She just went straight to Salvatore mansion.

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  35. ralu_dani14 December 2013 at 06:30

    I think it is between Nadia and Elena, I hope it is not Elena because of Damon, and also Zach/Matt said this week, on twitter I think, that he is still filming with Olga, so she is still around.

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  36. Ross14 December 2013 at 19:30

    I have a question. I watched the first four seasons but gave up at the end of season 4. The love triangle bored me out of my mind and I couldn't stand Elena being whiny for one more episode. I was just wondering if it has improved this season? Is Elena no longer annoying and has the love triangle finally ceased? Or should I just give it a miss? (I don't mind the show, but those two problems just got too annoying so I had to lay it to rest).

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  37. ralu_dani14 December 2013 at 19:46

    Well, Elena will always be some degree of whiny, she got a little better this season in that department, but that doesn't mean she is not annoying. Regarding the triangle, so far we had only innuendo to that regard, but considering that Delena broke up, who knows what the future holds......If you spend the time to watch 4 seasons maybe you should watch season 5 too ( in my opinion s5 is better than s4 especially the last 3 or 4 episodes after silas's death) , but i'm a fan of the show so..........

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  38. Boris Breynin14 December 2013 at 22:51

    Good thing i wasn't born in New York but can do several accents lol. Clueless Aaron took a syringe and has no idea what it was lol but im guessing he gonna inject Damon with it and maybe just maybe Enzo might help him out but seeing as they left angry at each other doubt that will happen lol.


    i have one concern tho if Megan was injected with Vamp Blood when she was little girl how long exactly does the Vamp Blood remain in the system?? If she still carried when she died chances are she still alive lol

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  39. Boris Breynin14 December 2013 at 22:54

    Syringe is for Damon! Second Aaron did have notes bout his family past and i'm betting somewhere in those notes explains the chemical agent Wes made to have Vampires kill other Vampires. I know maybe Aaron doesn't know how it looks like but pretty sure in the notes there were stages written and i'm guessing he figured Wes made it to Stage 2.

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  40. Boris Breynin14 December 2013 at 22:56

    Damon is gonna be Subject Zero and by Aaron hands might as well add lol

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  41. Shannon15 December 2013 at 05:07

    I can do many accents too. But they're not real. I'm talking real accents. As a New Yorker i can tell the difference. Ha, Moving on, now that's a good theory. His injecting Damon with it. If he has the guts anyway. It only takes a few days for the Vamp Blood to leave your system. And we don't know how long she was giving the blood for. Probably just enough to kill her cancer or w/e she had. If anything she was probably giving it for a few months and that was it. As she got older they would've stopped.

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  42. Boris Breynin15 December 2013 at 05:28

    I do some great accents lol

    Well guess we will never know bc Elena burned the journal lol

    I hope he injects damon and not see oh he tried to inject damon but stefan got in the way and now we got the ripper 2.5 lol

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  43. Shannon15 December 2013 at 06:06

    I'm not asking. I'm telling. Vamp Blood only stays in your system for a few days. She stopped having vamp blood yrs ago. Megan i mean. I hope he doesn't inject Damon. I'm hoping Enzo will inject Aaron, see hoe he likes it. Idc what Stefan does. From the looks of it, he seems to be staying out of it and hanging around Katherine for her final days.

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  44. Boris Breynin15 December 2013 at 06:14

    Till she hitches a ride to elena tour bus lol..its gonna be much easier for her with only one version of her lol.

    Aaron and Enzo are both mad at Damon but its most Enzo fault as well lol

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  45. Shannon15 December 2013 at 06:43

    I don't like that theory at all. Someone else said that too. They think Katherine will go in Elena's body. And that's weird, even for me. And yeah if you think about it, it is Enzo's fault. lol

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  46. DngnRdr22 December 2013 at 10:01

    I'm concerned that she's looking to Traveller powers to save her life.. so her mind/personality will be transferred to another body and her body will die. So either she hops into Elena and they share the body - which will be awkward and lead to a lot of issues - or she "bodyjacks" someone else so a new actress will have to play at being Katherine in a new body. Neither alternative seems to be something Stefan would be okay with.

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  47. DngnRdr22 December 2013 at 10:11

    Not split personalities as such but all vampires have a) emotions on = "normal" (at least normal for a vampire) and b) emotions off = "evil" (some vampires don't seem to go as bad as others with emotions off either).

    Some vampires are less different with their emotions on and off than others and as far as indiscriminate remorseless killing Damon is not all that different with it on and off, whereas Stefan is virtually opposite with his emotions off (aka Ripper) and on.

    Elena too is very different on and off, though the others (Karoline, Katherine, Originals etc) are hard to tell as we don't really have much basis for comparison.

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  48. Sara25 December 2013 at 20:59

    I remember Rose saying the humanity switch was a myth back in Season 2. I also think she said you could only sort of do it when you were new and she was too old to be able to turn it off. By that logic the Originals & Katherine are probably old enough that they lost that ability a long time ago.

    Even Isobel when she had her humanity "off" still seemed to care about Alaric and I actually think she did care about Elena (I recall her & John talking about how they wanted her to live her life and so forth). I just don't think it's that black & white.

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  49. DngnRdr26 December 2013 at 16:18

    That is why I put normal and evil in quotes as just what it does seems to differ from vampire to vampire so perhaps there's more to it than the audience has been told.... it's been shown though via flashback etc that Damon isn't much different with it on or off, whereas Stefan is very different hence most fans are able to forgive what either character did with humanity off, but not what they've done while humanity is on. The Damon apologists (for want of a better word to differ them from other fans) seem to forgive the bad things he's done with humanity on too, regardless of how horrible it is.

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  50. Madison8 April 2014 at 06:37

    exactly. by the way, shouldn't she move out already? or is she and her little brother gonna stay in her ex boyfriends' house forever?

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