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POLL : What did you think of Person of Interest - Endgame?

13 Nov 2013

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  1. oddball8713 November 2013 at 04:03

    Probably one of the my favourite episodes of the series! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time and I'm really looking forward to these next few episodes, but also dreading them (poor Fusco).

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  2. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F13 November 2013 at 04:17

    The stake are high.....not a good idea that camera has man in the suit identity......

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  3. SavhFan13 November 2013 at 04:33

    Need a rating HIGHER than Awesome............cause it was WAY above that!

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  4. CJ13 November 2013 at 04:38

    This entire episode was FLAWLESS!!! I love Carter so much <3

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  5. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F13 November 2013 at 04:40

    she taking down HR step by step and now she got the boss

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  6. João Paulo13 November 2013 at 05:03

    Definitely one of my favorite of the series. The script is so fantastic, Taraji P. Henson rocks so hard here, badass in every single level.


    Reese was so good here too, his moment with her was great.


    Carter in her almost perfect plan, but Quinn is a high profile, so you can't do this alone Joss and I glad you didn't.


    Great scenes between Carter and Fusco


    So far, so awesome.

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  7. DarqueMode13 November 2013 at 05:14

    Not sure what to think of this episode honestly...
    I really liked some aspects and hated others. Namely the Carter story.

    Her plan was so obviously doomed to fail it irritated me. First we had to hear her say Reese was still a criminal and she couldn't do it his way, then she had to realize that of course her way would not work only to call Team Machine to bail her out! T the worst part of it all is the fact that now because of ad-libbing a new endgame with Reese and Finch, Reese was caught on camera bailing Carter out.

    Now when it all works out Carter could be a hero and get her Detective shield back despite failing and it appears Fusco or Reese will pay for it all.

    The episode was set up like a redemption arc that would end in Carter's death. They ticked all the usual boxes and they really accomplished that feeling. Of course Carter was never going to die in this episode so it had no real dramatic impact, but the writers did accomplish a little bit of a misdirection I guess. To me it felt hollow though. If Carter was willing to die for this cause then why cop out and save her and cheapen it all?

    Ok bad aspects aside...
    This episode had a strong A-pot finally (even if it was not Finch and Reese in the lead). The first deep case of the year so that was good!

    - I liked that Carter used Man-in-the-suit tactics to hijack the truck! XD
    - I loved Elias returning to his more natural role of sracasm and mockery! Brilliant!
    - I liked that Fusco had more face time than Bear. A few good scenes even....
    - I liked that Shaw took a backseat (even though she still made stupid gun jokes).



    All in all I think this was a decent set up episode for the next two episodes, but it was not near great for me, That opinion could change a wee bit if the following episodes are brilliant though.

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  8. Candice M13 November 2013 at 05:18

    Definitely in my top three of favorite episode.

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  9. Candice M13 November 2013 at 05:18

    Definitely in my top three of favorite episode

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  10. ShatteredOne13 November 2013 at 05:49

    Truly amazing, phenomenal, nearly flawless episode! Definitely one of the top episodes of the series! Carter went full on bad ass, and I loved just the minimal backstory of her and her ex and how he turned his life around. Carter may have been a little foolhardy in her scheme, but in the end she knew the best call was to bring Mr. Reese in.


    Can't wait for next week to see them try to get Quinn across the city, sounds very similar to the movie 16 Blocks with Bruce Willis and Mos Def. All the criminals vs. Mr. Reese? Where's Bear with his doggie-ballistic vest?!


    Anyway, still super worried about Fusco. From the looks of it it seems like Mr. Reese will go and try to save him. Please save him Mr. Reese!

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  11. magnutude13 November 2013 at 05:56

    Outstanding ep that made me anxious from the get go from the promo that "a hero would fall" - the promo had me thinking Fusco, but the ep had me fearing for Carter, and then John's metion to Finch to get Bear fitted for k-9 kevlar made me flinch as well....of course this is a 3 ep arc, so something may still happen in the next 2 eps and of course the stage has been set.... but very well executed ep and fantastic work by TPH in her feature ep.....

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  12. disqus_BLvd5NQY3F13 November 2013 at 06:18

    Someone need to kill Simmonds it seem most of the other cops report to him, and he still has not been caught yet even though he doing a lot of serious criminal charges

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  13. László Harsányi13 November 2013 at 08:24

    I see the Carter part of the story completely differently.

    - "her say Reese was still a criminal and she couldn't do it his way" - IMHO she didn't say that. She said that in the eye of the cops he is just a criminal and involving him into her fight would taint it in their eyes. She didn't leave him out because she thought him a criminal, but because his involvement would have been a serious risk to undermine the credibility of the case.

    - "If Carter was willing to die for this cause then why cop out and save her and cheapen it all." - She was willing to die in the course of achieving her goal - she didn't want to commit a suicide. Until the very last moment she tried to use the system. But when from Quinn's cloned phone (at least I think that was the source) she learned that the judge betrayed her, she turned to the only remaining help. Being willing to die for something is not the same as being willing to die without a cause, so to me it was not a cop out, only a last resort.

    - Getting Reese's picture and Simmons's last threat had a big dramatic effect (hey, it's a TV show) but this was more about how they served it up (for the next episode) than the real importance. Simmons had already met Reese, now saw him again. With a police sketch drawer he could have made an even better picture about him for the hunt.

    - "it appears Fusco or Reese will pay for it all" - I said after seeing the promo from last week, that I hope very much Fusco will stay in the show and won't be KIA. With he fall of HR his role and conflict would lose all of the importance, but the show nurses the secondary, recurring characters with so much care that I can't thing they would have pushed him back so much for half a season only to kill suddenly.

    Aside from this, what "paying" are we talk? That she wasn't physically abused or beaten, while Fusco and/or Reese will probably be? On one hand I don't thing that "paying" is equal to "pain". She had already lost a close friend (Schimansky), her boyfriend and a just-converted young kid to the HR. I think it's hell of a pay. She did all of her best to keep Fusco away from it.


    On the other hand, it's a network TV-show, made in the USA. "Hoping" to show a black, female cop character as bloodily beaten as a man can be shown is about the chance of graphically showing child abuse. Not to mention that what's Reese part in the show if not going toe-to-toe with the bad guys and fight? Whispering life coaching advices? Fusco is the same: as somebody says, he is the last ordinary man. When he is kicked he hurts just like everybody - probably that's why people can root for him. From dramaturgy POV putting him in the harm's way is the best, nobody would seriously think that Reese will not survive.

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  14. DarqueMode13 November 2013 at 09:52

    Team Machine had helped her on many other cases without compromising the case. She obtained half her evidence illegally. Recording conversations without getting a wire tap warrant etc... It was about proving she could take down HR as a detective. Frankly though it never needed to go that far. She never needed to build a case against HR and then arrest them all, she needed to expose them. Their only power lies in their secrecy. If they are exposed they cease to have power. Her plan vengeful and reckless because she made it personal.

    Reese will pay for it by being hunted now. Simmons had seen him before yes, but have video footage is the game changer. That is Carter's fault. Your point about Reese not being killed cuts both ways since Carter was never going to be killed in that episode either. That's why it all felt hollow to me in the end.

    As far as her needing to pay (or be tortured- not sure where that came from), I did not say that, nor do I feel that way. I said she was willing to pay. She said her goodbyes to her ex and her kid, she set Fusco up to have the evidence if something went wrong. if she planned better and had help, even if her plan was going sideways, any action taken by HR (like killing her) could have been used against HR as video or audio evidence. It would have been a death nail for HR if handled correctly.

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  15. Jim 10813 November 2013 at 10:13

    I think you're looking at it backwards. She didn't go out and say it, but I think Carter was trying to protect Reese the same way she was trying to protect Fusco. His involvement would put him in danger. In the end, it did. But Reese (and Fusco, and Shaw) was willing to take that risk for a friend. Carter called Reese BEFORE she went to visit the lawyer, so they both knew the risks they were taking. Carter had already realized that her plan wouldn't work on her own.

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  16. CP13 November 2013 at 15:36

    Yes! Loved this episode. Intense.

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  17. BonesForever13 November 2013 at 20:02

    Fabulous episode--and I concur with others, one of the best ever! Everyone was superb in the episode! Gripping and heartrending on Carter's backstory.

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  18. DarqueMode13 November 2013 at 20:16

    Even if, no especially if she did it to keep him safe it just makes her original plan more reckless and implausible. I have as much issue with how she wanted to do it on her own in the first place, no matter the reasoning. Though to me her actions were not heroic acts of [possible] self-sacrifice, they were just misguided and reckless.


    Of course she contacted Team Machine before going to the Judge's house, but that is after weeks of scheming and gathering evidence on her own. All of which would have been safer and more effective if done with a team. Honestly though it is her endgame I have the biggest issue with.


    Reese and Finch knew the risks of bailing her out for sure, that is kinda what they do every day for people isn't it? That does not change the fact that because of her time frame there was not adequate time to make a proper exfil plan. That is what resulted in walking directly out into a patrolman.

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  19. arun27913 November 2013 at 20:44

    This week's show was as close to perfect as the show can get. I was surprised at how much story they go through in just the first part of a three part event. Makes me concerned for what's to come because I get the feeling not everyone's going to come out of this alive.

    I loved the pacing of this episode and it's something the show has always been strong in. When they need, they put the show in that extra gear and the story just moves in breakneck speed and never stops.

    I guess the next episode will be like the one in Justified last season where they are cut off with Shelby and need to get out of Harlan alive. The HR cops are going to use every trick they have and like Finch says, they have the law on their side.

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  20. László Harsányi13 November 2013 at 21:58

    Honestly, I don't really see the problem. First of all, are we talking about how Joss Carter, NYPD detective acted in that fictionary world, or about how her character's acts were written, seeing her as she is, part of an entertaining fiction?

    Regarding the first: nobody has ever said that Carter is perfect. That what she did was "misguided and reckless"? Maybe, but IMHO her acts were in sync with her characterization, which included even reckless steps if she felt it necessary. Stealing Stills's body and rescueing Elias, just to mention. She was also always more of a loner when it came to asking for help, so I don't think it OOC either. She had her inner boundaries, just like anybody else and those can be in the way to do the things in the most effective way - but that's what make characters unique. She is flawed but it was never said otherwise and the most cathartic plots are in which the characters are pushed to their limits, forcing them to make mistakes which fall on them.

    Regarding the second, the outsider POV, IMHO it was also well built. From writer's POV the structure how they built up the HR endgame is like a football game with runs and passes between the players of the team and hopefully with a touchdown at the end. But the end is the 3x10 and we are now only at 3x08. IMHO they did a good job, gave her a long run, letting her character to score and now they passed the ball to the teammates to run with it. That's what good storytelling means, at least to me.

    Technicalities: if we stick to real world, a good sketch is a thousand times better to recognize somebody than a 100x100 pixel headshot from a video camera, so it wasn't any game changer. It has a much better dramatic impact though, so I'm OK with it, I watch the show for being entertained.

    I might misunderstand your note about that "when it all works out Carter could be a hero and get her Detective shield back despite failing and it appears Fusco or Reese will pay for it all". To me it meant that instead of what Fusco and Reese will need to bear in the coming episodes you wish that would be for her. That's what my remarks about her being beaten were. I apologize if I was wrong about your meaning.

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  21. lulu14 November 2013 at 07:01

    what a great episode! But I'm so worried about Carter, and Fusco!

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  22. omabin14 November 2013 at 09:19

    I think this was my favorite episode of the series! I LOVE Carter! Damn, she is badass. I really thought the were going to kill her in that final scene at the judge's house. Everything about the episode was outstanding, really. I don't have anything bad to say, loved it all. Outstanding.

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  23. DarthLocke414 November 2013 at 18:45

    Def one of the best episodes of the series. Carter centric has been a long time coming! -But it does make me worry for her a bit, but probably not as much as Fusco, especially with how they keep sweeping him aside...


    Bad Robot stuff:
    Carter gives famous Locke ("Beginning of of the End") line, "If you want to live, you'll need to come with me."


    Fringe (and by extension Star Trek into Darkness) title reference/concept 'Enemy of my Enemy' + name Peter + 'Brave New World' line...


    Endgame was also a name of an episode title and reference to Milo Rambaldi in Alias. It pertains to the idea that Rambaldi's inventions, such as The Mueller Devise, were "intended" for 'world peace'. May suggest this 3-arc episode may provide 'game changer', as there is also these other references such as 'beginning of the end' and 'brave new world'. Endgame was also the title announced for Fringe's possible season 4/season finale two part episodes, until it was changed to "Brave New World".


    Like the story with Paul and seeing him be able to change (although this could be short lived). Loved how Shaw pinched Reese's weapons and gave them to Carter! XD Amazing to see SO many numbers come up at once (but I'm not just realizing that it didn't catch Lanskey). Seeing Carter go rouge was SO fun. Plays nice to the strong women themes this season, but I hope she know's what she's getting herself into by starting a war.


    Can't wait for next week!

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  24. DarthLocke414 November 2013 at 18:51

    "The episode was set up like a redemption arc that would end in Carter's death. They ticked all the usual boxes and they really accomplished that feeling. Of course Carter was never going to die in this episode so it had no real dramatic impact, but the writers did accomplish a little bit of a misdirection I guess. To me it felt hollow though. If Carter was willing to die for this cause then why cop out and save her and cheapen it all?


    Ya, but this is actually a 3 episode arc I believe, so I don't think anyone is out of the woods yet. I doubt they would kill Carter, but the fact that someone may pay some kind of price for her game playing, does give me an all out uneasy feeling, since we see Carter take risks that seem so far removed from what the audience knows of her (although she still called the FBI, which I thought was clever)...They're making all of the women on this show CRAZY!!XD

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  25. DarthLocke414 November 2013 at 18:56

    I agree about how she handled Fusco. I was totally reminded of LOST with Claire when Charlie and gang used her as bate to ween out Ethan and how upset she was that they "kept her in the dark". That could of totally ended worse than it did...

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  26. DarqueMode14 November 2013 at 19:54

    I liked her plan of playing the Russians against HR.
    At first I thought she was going to have them killed, but the FBI was a nice twist up... more her style.


    I said before the season premiered that I thought Elias would do just that, play all the gangs against one another to re-establish his power base.


    The ironic thing is that Carter's plan was so convoluted and really did more for Elias than it did for her. Russians are extremely weakened, HR will be extremely weakened (assuming Quinn and company get taken down), and Elias is smiling and giving cooking lessons he feels so at ease! XD


    Taking down all of HR was just crazy though... most of her evidence was gathered while not assigned under an official case. All of the phone taps would be illegal in a court of law. She maneuvered HR against the Russians by doing a number of illegal acts herself... The case will/would never hold up in a court of law!


    As it was, her plan was just illegal enough to not be allowed in a court, but just legal enough to not be effective on the street! XD


    Now if she exposed them to the media the consequential real investigation by the FBI would be legal and admissible in court. It just would not be as personal of a result.

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  27. DarqueMode14 November 2013 at 21:17

    I wondered about Laskey last week, as well as wondering why the Machine did not give Carter's number to Finch. She was always in more danger than the 38 HR names since she always planned to have the FBI arrest the Russians. I chalked it up to just another case of forced drama.

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  28. LostGorillaz16 November 2013 at 01:26

    Finally an awesome season 3 episode, Hopefully more to come. Getting excited for more

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  29. prpleight17 November 2013 at 11:23

    And I thought Joss was awesome when she forced the rookie to turn.


    Anyone else seen an old movie call The Warriors ? that was the first thing I thought when I saw the promo.


    speaking of... I loathe the trailer they've been running for this batch of 3 episodes. I could throttle the people who made it. TMI and it kind of spoils the suspense for me.

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