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USD POLL : Given the amount of spoilers about her fate, how satisfied were you with Debra's fate in the Dexter series finale?

Oct 1, 2013

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32 comments:

  1. CliffOctober 1, 2013 at 11:09 AM

    I think the actual question is, was anyone except for Scott Buck satisfied by anything in the finale? ^^

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  2. DarqueModeOctober 1, 2013 at 11:16 AM

    Very satisfied.
    I always expected Deb to die.
    I would not have been shocked if Dexter killed to survive, but I was surprised by Dexter killing her out of love as he did. I found that a nice twist and one of the most poignant moments of the series.

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  3. IvyBOctober 1, 2013 at 11:23 AM

    Not satisfied at all. It's not that I have a problem with Debra dying (it's the last season, I would be ok with everyone dying), it's her whole storyline this season going no where, resurrecting her dead romance with Quinn just for angst, dying because Dexter is an idiot whose psychopathy can apparently be cured by love and to top it off- she gets a stroke offscreen and then dumped into the ocean. I guess it doesn't matter if her friends ever find out what happened to her body.

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  4. MorbidPetOctober 1, 2013 at 12:52 PM

    There was nothing nobel or even scary or exciting about her death. I did not want her to die but what the heck she died off-screen how lousy of an end is that for a character!? WTF!
    Debra in the beginning of this season (and that one funny episode with Kyle, you know the one when you got to actually like him only to (not!) see him die the next minute?! Are we there yet?) was the only good thing about the entire season. Sure I did not hate Rampling as much as expected but spiraling Debra was the bomb. When she sobered up it all went ... well nowhere really. Her & Quinn back together was a good thing but that only made it all more upsetting she died.
    Sorry for the rant, emotions are still raw after seeing the final episode. I'm hoping to have calmed down by x-mas at least :/

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  5. krukwaOctober 1, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Debra's death was actually one of the good things that happened in the final episode.

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  6. inhighheelsOctober 1, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    I wasn't satisfied from the beginning, when spoilers about her death started popping up, because IMO it makes absolutely no sense to kill her and keep Dexter alive.
    But given the fact that I knew what was coming, I still think her death ended up being was pointless and could have been better planned. She got shot by a guy we barely knew, was saved by paramedics and then just had medical complications AFTER a successful surgery. Pretty lame.

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  7. MatthewOctober 1, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    I was gonna vote for 'satisfied' because the more I thought about the finale, the more it grew on me, to the point that it's a satisfying or fitting end to the series for me now. But then I thought Deb really didn't deserve to die, so my vote is no. Dexter didn't deserve to die because he has to live with all the damages he had caused his loved ones. Death was the easy way out. But Deb? It's like she died so that Dexter could finally realize that.

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  8. Play2254October 1, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Nobody was the only think i liked about Dexter killing Deb was she told him if she was ever like that to pull the plug.

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  9. CliffOctober 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM

    But he could have given her more then (what it felt like) three hours or so to see if the first diagnosis would have been wrong, perhaps? ;D

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  10. DarqueModeOctober 1, 2013 at 5:33 PM

    That's a decent point ...
    Maybe more so if there were more episodes... and brain damage from lack of oxygen to the brain is not something anyone comes back from that I know of. Admittedly I am not a scholar of medical cases and could be wrong! XD

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  11. CliffOctober 1, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    True, although - especially on TV - it has happened that people got off something like that without any impairments. But the whole rushed episode didn't allow for Laura to wait, or Dexter to wait, or the hospital people to wonder, or the breathing alarm to go off, or Debra to not get an off-screen death sentence .. etc etc :D

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  12. Jessica StarkusOctober 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM

    she should have lived on. thinking dexter was dead. and had a flash forward of her and quinns wedding. after dex "died" she would have hunted down hannah and taken back harrison and he could have been his ring bearer

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  13. GraydonOctober 2, 2013 at 6:06 AM

    That makes no sense, she was ok with Hannah by the end.

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  14. GraydonOctober 2, 2013 at 6:07 AM

    No problem, except that I found the set-up really contrived; Dexter just all of a sudden loses his urge to kill, and despite knowing what could happen, chooses not to kill Saxon.

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  15. GraydonOctober 2, 2013 at 6:11 AM

    That in itself bothers me, since his wife died for crying out loud and didn't do shit in the end.

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  16. GraydonOctober 2, 2013 at 6:14 AM

    Agreed. This season sucked.

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  17. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:23 PM

    Before the season began I had hoped she would live and her character ended the series pregnant (kind of in line with the novels), with Dexter sacrificing himself....


    But once Comic Con happened and with potential spin off on the rise, I saw the writing on the wall that Jennifer Carpenter was ready to be done playing Debra and so i think the writers did her a cutiousy by writting her out. --But it also became cleared once Dr, Vogel stated that Dexter has falsely believed that he needed Debra in his life that also made it clear that she was the black hole holding him back, as Harry's guilt transferred onto Dexter and Dexter subconsciously put that failure on the need to protect Deb as an additional excuse to kill...It's why it's ending giving Deb back into "Laura" was so poetic.


    I think there has been a lot of symbolism all a long that Deb most likely would die...

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  18. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:25 PM

    I think Jennifer Carpenter most certainly is.

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  19. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:26 PM

    Yep, I'm pretty sure she said it once.

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  20. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:30 PM

    I'm pretty sure that she told him once to pull the plug if she would ever be like this. I agree in that I probably would want to give someone time, but logically I'm pretty sure she would never be the same again...


    However, the finale does end in an exceptionally ironic place, given your point. Dexter said one reason he did this was because he doesn't believe in miracles....but surely it was a miracle that he survived the eye of the storm (which is why I keep bringing up the fate-factor in my posts)

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  21. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    I disagree. I think it's been there the whole time.


    My post above explains what I mean.

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  22. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 8:54 PM

    I always say that the series has a "fantastical" element fate. I don't think it's ever been completely sensical in a realist way. I think much like part of the opening theme song, there are things that dizzyingly unreal about the nature of Dexter's universe and it's outcomes, but there are always muddy arguments for all angles.

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  23. GraydonOctober 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM

    True, but still the randomness of the "I don't have to kill anymore", leading to him sparing Saxon was really lazy, given that Hannah accepts his murderous tendencies and isn't innocent like Rita, Astor or Cody. Meaning the he no longer needs to kill development doesn't make sense in my mind. (Not mention still didn't by the whole I love Hannah thing, I get on paper why they work, and I thought that it was relatively well done last year, but the writers pushed it way too much, and the chemistry just couldn't save it). Even if it did, Dexter has seen the consequences of when he doesn't kill people, he saw it with Trinity. The whole deb getting shot because Dexter has a sudden cathartic event was a really poorly done set-up for the ending in my opinion.

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  24. DarthLocke4October 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

    It does IMO because Deb was willing to let go of him early in the season and Dr. Vogel and Hannah together ultimately pushed him to open up and fight for himself, especially after Vogel was able to help Deb too. It's all about "timing" in this universe, as I think the idea of Dexter to begin with is 'mythical".

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  25. inhighheelsOctober 2, 2013 at 11:45 PM

    Hey, I'll answer your post here, ok? Be prepared, it's LONG.


    I do realize I shouldn't, but I can't help it. I need to compare Dexter to Breaking Bad because, although the shows are obviously not the same, they have elements in common. And for me the main element is the main character.

    Walter White was a poor, kinda irrelevant chemistry teacher. Throughout the series he became the all mighty powerful, master criminal mind Heisenberg. He did so because, in his own words, "he liked it". He chose to do the wrong thing, knowingly, and he paid the price for it. Not because life has a bigger, deeper meaning, nor because we all get what we deserve, but simply because that's what happens to criminals who engage in some sort of highly visible activity: they get caught. It's pure mathematics, you get away with it a number of times, till you don't.

    Dexter Morgan is a serial killer. He never chose to be one (i.e., he never wanted to want to kill people), but he is. What he did choose, however, is killing. Serial killers have a psychological, not physical, need to kill, which means that Dexter could have chosen not to do so. His choice becomes even more relevant because, unlike other serials, Dexter had a mentor who thought him "what is right and what's wrong".

    So, in that sense, he choose to do the wrong thing just as much as Walt. Both wanted to "be alive", so they did the wrong thing. Both used excuses to keep committing their sins without feeling so guilty: Walt supposedly wanted to give his family a better future (but that's simply not true, he wanted to do it because it made him happy) and Dexter supposedly only killed bad people (again, not true, he choose to kill bad people, but he killed innocents as well, as long as it was "necessary. And that's without even discussing the concept of bad and whether bad people should die, but I'll not go into that).

    Walt died. He died because that's what happen to criminals. They get away with their crimes, until they don't. They choose crime over everything else and they have to deal with the consequences.

    Dexter lived. The show tries to make you believe he lived because he finally choose not to kill, he finally did the right thing. But, IMO, that's entirely irrelevant. You don't suffer the consequences of what you intend to do, you suffer the consequences of what you did in the past. And Dexter NEVER suffered those consequences. Rita died, sure, but he never lost his entire family, his friends, his job or anything else that truly mattered.

    What happened in the series finale? Instead of Dexter dying, because, you know, one day someone will outsmart you and kill you before you can do anything about it, Deb died. Deb who was the Jesse to Dexter's Heisenberg, who was the non-corrupted one, who, like Jesse, got mixed in the middle of Dexter's mess and almost lost herself, but was able to come out of it, who CHOSE to do the right thing. She died. The only way I can conceive of this as a "good" thing is to think that, by dying, she freed herself from Dexter, but the point is: it should be the other way around. She should be free because Dexter is gone.

    The way I see it (after writing this dissertation, sorry), Dexter had a bad series finale because it didn't do the right thing. The writers didn't choose what they should have and, IMO, that's what you should do. You can argue it's only a story and, after all, what difference will it make. It probably won't make any difference at all, but stories have a purpose. I believe that a story whose message is "oh, you know, sometimes you fuck up and walk away free while other people get screwed" is a bad story and should aim to be better.

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  26. DarthLocke4October 3, 2013 at 2:31 AM

    I can't really compare it to Breaking Bad, because I have yet to see it, so I hope you can forgive me for some of my ignorance here, but I do suspect that it's apples and oranges, because 1. there is something to be said about being physiologically altered by an experience and 2. taught to believe you are something you may not be at a young age. So I think that Dexter may be more of an anti-hero than White, especially since one can argue that the code is a form of vigilantism. -But also there's a debate that perhaps a sociopath could never even attempt to follow a code, but also why one would stray from one.

    For Deb, I really can't make the comparison at all because I in no way know where Jesse is coming from, but Deb has been made to be an albatross. ( I think Deb is worse a lot of times than Dexter, because she intentionally uses to people to get what she wants) Dexter's story IMO is not just about if he should or shouldn't get away with it, but rather what it takes (what it costs) to change. I think ultimately the shows concluded with very different messages.

    The idea to punish one's self in some way is something Dexter would have never thought to do and Oregon has great potential for "hiking" (so he might be honoring Deb by being there). And realistically, not all killers get caught, but unrealistically this ending is more in line with the novels. which more than Showtimes' version, completely celebrates the sociopath. (Cody and Astor are also sociopaths, are taught the code, Deb begs Dexter to help her all the time, and Brian comes to live with them for a time!!!) Plus Jeff Lindsay's first novel is "A Tropical Depression: A Novel of suspence" You can see the Dexter archetypes in it...It ends with a hurricane and a lot of hope (although it's more about a Cop than a serial killer)So this ending might also be a tribute to that.
    More over going back to the spin off thing, it also is potentially another reason they may have kept him alive, because he might somehow serve who's ever story's arc by being in this state.

    I think the problem is that people think that Dexter deserved to die and Deb deserved to live, where I don't necessarily think so and the fact that they did what was NOT expected, I think separates them. In other words not all books with similar ideas should have the same ending.

    IMO Dexter has a mantra of every silver lining has a black could and every black cloud has a silver lining. Ultimately Dexter is a survivor of the fittest in a rather jaded and imperfect world...

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  27. GraydonOctober 3, 2013 at 4:14 AM

    I still believe it doesn't really explain well why he no longer needs to kill.

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  28. DarqueModeOctober 3, 2013 at 4:42 AM

    I haven't been following the entire conversation so I may not be on point, but...


    After watching the finale again and having some time to think about it...
    I honestly am not sure Dexter no longer needs to kill. I mean to say that he felt he had control of the urge with Saxon, but couldn't that urge return later?


    He has evolved and come to accept that he does have emotions, but does the fact he has emotions actually negate the fact he has desire to kill? I think he used false logic in thinking that if he had emotions and did not feel the desire to kill one time he would not need to kill in the future.


    I think in the beginning of the series he thought he was a monster incapable of emotions. He always looked at emotions as being normal and fitting into society. Now at the end of the series he realizes he is evolving from that monster (or possibly never was truly that specific monster in the first place). However, he also realizes he is still a monster of a sort....


    I think Dexter's biggest realization from the finale is that everyone he cares about gets hurt because of who he is. That lead to him wanting to die, but once he survived the hurricane, he chose to completely isolate himself to avoid hurting people he cared about.


    To me the end of the series was not so much his realization he is a real boy and can be happy. His true epiphany was that Harry's Code does not work. He may have emotions, but he is still a killer. And because of that he can no longer delude himself by thinking that he can coexist in "normal" society only killing bad guys and not having a negative effect on those close to him.


    To me THAT is why he chose to remove himself from society/ family and to place himself in an environment with no attachments.

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  29. inhighheelsOctober 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    I totally get it and I can't really disagree, I guess it's just two very different ways of seeing the world (I know it sounds cliché, but it's true, at least in this case). If you assume Dexter tries to show the world as a place where survival of the fittest rules, the ending is consistent and will not bother you. The problem is I don't and I have trouble trying to do so, but that's me.
    And, btw, WATCH BrBa NOW!

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  30. DarthLocke4October 3, 2013 at 2:41 PM

    I'm planning on binge watching BrBa during winter hiatus! I'm sure I'll really like it! :)


    And Thanks for the great debate. Obviously I'm in the minority with Dexter and that's alright! I totally know what it feels like to not be happy with a series outcome. I am not sure if I'm really over the issues I had with Battlestar Galactica's ending, although Caprica did help soften the blow...

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  31. DarthLocke4October 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM

    I'm not sure if Darque meant "continues to be a killer", as much as maybe the realization that he was killer. (But Darque I'm sure will address it), but I agree with you that in the end he was no longer a killer.

    IMO the truth was that Dexter's urges could have been curbed much sooner and the ability to even try to follow a code and eventually stray from it is proof that he wasn't perhaps a full fledged sociopath to begin with. (Vogel should of seen it sooner as well because she noted when Dexter was younger that he had an "Innate sense of Justice")


    By the time we get to season 8 and Dexter's world has been turned upside down (all of season 7 he did not follow the code) and he learns more of truth about whom he is via Dr. Vogel, the more he realizes that he doesn't have to be like this anymore. Then Hannah comes back, Deb, after a mini reset, starts to accept what Dexter wants (loves him more unconditionally--which Hannah I think helps set her straight by asking her don't you love your brother? Don't you want him to be happy?) and quits fighting him, and he is able to believe in love and realize that Harry was wrong. He no longer needed him, because love was stronger than his urge to kill. (and that is why I stress Hannah is a "trinity" of better traits of the woman Dexter had been intimate with, because Hannah is a kind of salvation and a survivor)

    "Dexter has had an almost infamous tendency towards poor decisions."



    I agree, and this is what the ending reflects. Dexter thinks he has control yet again...but viewers no better than he, that even his life of solidarity won't propably stay that way.

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  32. DarthLocke4April 8, 2014 at 5:32 AM

    The love he felt was stronger than his need to kill. Dexter's problem the whole time is that he believed he could not really love, have emotions, and/or normally apart of society.


    The series accumulated events that forced him to have "realizations".and he was able to grow at times form those realizations. I think people who are very apathetic don't tend to have those things, because they often don't question themselves.

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