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Sep 23, 2013

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  1. actionjunkieSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:03 AM

    Fitting. Ambiguous enough to leave it to the viewers to decide if God/miracle saved Dexter or if "faking his death" was the plan all along in typical super-human Dexter style.

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  2. lala2September 23, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    Did he fake his death or did he just survive the storm? That was the ambiguous part.

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  3. lala2September 23, 2013 at 3:31 AM

    Agreed.
    Even though I went into the finale hoping Dexter wouldn't die, I was actually fine w/him "killing himself." That didn't bother me as much, but knowing he's still alive and not w/Hannah and Harrison was upsetting. It didn't ruin the finale for me, but I would have preferred him dead from the storm or w/his son.

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  4. Play2254September 23, 2013 at 3:46 AM

    Its Dexter of course he faked it he is the master he is smarted then most people the moment he trough the phone in the ocean i knew he was going to do fake it.

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  5. PaulaSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    Come on, guys, go back, and do it again.

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  6. GraydonSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:56 AM

    That was just bad, that was the opposite of Batman. In comparison to the last three series finales I saw, It lacked the awesome character arc Fringe had for Walter; the deep emotional resonance of Chuck's ending (which featured a great performance from Yvonne Strahovski, who deserves better material than she got this season on Dexter) and it lacked the cool twist of Burn Notice's finale where it turned out the narrations were to Charlie. That really did bother me though, it's not that I wanted him to have a happy ending, but really he fakes his death, that's terrible.

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  7. actionjunkieSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:25 AM

    Did you see the storm and his boat... sure, Dexter seems super-human sometimes but it was most certainly ambiguous being those dire circumstances and the whole "do I deserve to be alive over Debra?"

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  8. actionjunkieSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:27 AM

    For now... did you see the look in his eye, lol. Talk about open-ended... ;) I liked it as I think I"m in the boat (pun intended) that fate decided his survival and not some marvelous plan by Dexter with that small boat and huge storm.

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  9. actionjunkieSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    It didn't go out with the ban I kinda hoped it would... but the emotions/consequences/decisions made it a great emotional finale, imo. I also kinda like how it was "open-ended" with both how Dexter survived and the look in his eye before cut to credits.

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  10. DeCoderSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:34 AM

    I was thinking Dexter was going to die saving someone. That would have been the ultimate evidence he was not a psychopath. I thought they even foreshadowed this type of ending with Dexter's shocked reaction to AJ Yates pulling his father's oxygen as a diversion so he could get away. The ending we got was lame and cowardly. He abandoned his son - plain and simple. Can we have a redo?

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  11. GraydonSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:35 AM

    Yeah but the whole faking your death thing was stupid. He faked his death under the assumption that being with Hannah and Harrison would ruin their lives, but it's killing that did that to Rita, Debra and Harry not his presence; and since he no longer needs to kill that wouldn't be an issue. More importantly, leaving his son to be raised in Argentina by an known and wanted killer wasn't heroic, it was really irresponsible.

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  12. lala2September 23, 2013 at 4:50 AM

    I'll have to watch again, but he looked dead inside to me. It was really very sad.

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  13. lala2September 23, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    I'm not sure how he could have faked his death when he drove right into the hurricane. I believe he wanted to die, but miraculously survived.

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  14. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:14 AM

    Hannah Spin off = Dexter reemerging later in that series...

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  15. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:16 AM

    Loved it! Very satisfied. Hannah spin off with possibility for Dexter to return late in the series = win win!


    Thought it was very poetic and a great peace of art.Glad Dexter lived, and Deb's death I can accpet because of the way they left things between them and because of JC's comics which suggested to me that she is ready to move on, pending possible spin off.

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  16. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:17 AM

    I thought it was very interesting though that Harry did not make an appearance...

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  17. DexFanSeptember 23, 2013 at 5:20 AM

    2 minutes too long... should of left it with Hannah and morgan walking away, and that was it...

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  18. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:31 AM

    I think it could go either way. On one hand I agree that it seemed like he was intent on dying, but on the other he most likely would have had to swim ashore somewhere and pick a place where no one knew him (a mountain town were he could "hike")...

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  19. Luana ArturiSeptember 23, 2013 at 5:32 AM

    I think I will be in the minority but to me it was perfect, Hanna is capable of taking care of Harrison and she always wanted a child. It was really sad to see Deb die, specially in the way she did, I would have liked her to live and move on with Quinn. I was ok with Dexter dying because it was quite unrealistic to think a normal happy life was possible for him; but a lonely killer with a beard, that I can see, and I like the thought he would keep up the work and keep hunting bad guys.

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  20. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:34 AM

    I think he looked empty too, but he is honoring Deb by being where he is. I think given that the writers/producers seem fairly open to a spin off, that it was open ended, and that Scott Buck has a two year agreement for several projects on showtime, we could see a Hannah spin off with Dexter returning later in that series...

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  21. Chalice93September 23, 2013 at 5:55 AM

    Loved the finale, would have liked 2 things



    1) Seeing Rita on the boat with Dexter as he heads off in to the storm


    2) At the last scene when they close up to Dexter's face, him saying "tonight's the night"

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  22. Play2254September 23, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    Serial Killers are not suicidal.Dexter is the king of not getting caught i just think the ending should of been better. Come on Dexter what kind of serial killer would be a lumberjack a Lumberjack. But if they did a spin off he is alive maybe he could do some guess spots.

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  23. ShatteredOneSeptember 23, 2013 at 6:38 AM

    So ya... I don't really know how to take everything I just watched. My initial reaction was it was pretty bad, especially as an ending to the whole series. Thinking I may just take Episode 5 of this season as the last episode of the series... better than what followed it...

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  24. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 6:44 AM

    except that he was on the verge of no longer being a sociopath...or acknowledging that he never really was one. and it is suicidal to drive your boat into the eye of a hurricane, especially when you suddenly just said that u don't believe in miracles...

    I think a Hannah spin off with Dexter emerging at the end of season 2 would be wonderous.

    He might not be killing. Harry (or any other dark passenger did not make an appearence in the episode) the town has MOUNTAINS--->honoring Deb by "Hiking" (possibly soul searching), unless of course we're missing something else...

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  25. juni valentineSeptember 23, 2013 at 7:10 AM

    that was kinda awful. Hannah spin-off? no, thanks.

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  26. Christina SherwoodSeptember 23, 2013 at 7:13 AM

    What a giant steaming pile that was!!! After all the crap Dexter went through, the whole internal struggle was the base of the show and it ending happily would have actually been more poetic. Dexter struggled with the dark passenger for so long, he then seems to come to a place where he conquers it because he loves another human being so much that the darkness & the urges are gone. It proves he wasn't a monster, he felt connections, he LOVED, his father was the real monster for turning Dexter into what he thought he would become instead of helping him with therapy for f*** sakes! It should have ended with Deb surviving & Dexter getting a happy life & the urges completely gone, it would've been the best way for it to end.

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  27. Play2254September 23, 2013 at 7:30 AM

    i know he was on the verge of not being one but he kills Saxton all out in the open. That need has to still be there and him throwing deb into his grave yard i dint get that either.


    Hannah spin off or a Harrison Spin off

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  28. CanadagraphsSeptember 23, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Sorry, I disagree with some of that.
    I agree the finale was not great.
    But a Dexter finale without some sadness would have been an even bigger disaster than what they gave us.
    This was "ok".
    I didn't love it. But I don't hate it as much as the internet seems to.
    One thing every other fan, including me can agree on is, a happily ever after ending, would have been the worst outcome. It needed some sadness, some loss.... just maybe not the way they did it all.

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  29. CanadagraphsSeptember 23, 2013 at 7:56 AM

    You are in the minority. I agree with your Hannah/Harrison observation. I agree with the Deb fying/ Quinn point. But dexter as a lumberjack? So epically abysmal.
    I gave it an "ok" grade, because I actually though up till the last 45 seconds, it was "good", but then they let it go too far & dragged it down to "ok".
    The one thing I will say is, I think you are grossly over reaching calling it a "perfect" end.

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  30. CanadagraphsSeptember 23, 2013 at 7:58 AM

    That does sound really familiar, but I too couldn't remember when, or the exact phrasing.

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  31. Luana ArturiSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:35 AM

    I did say it was perfect to me, not necessarily anyone else. There is always going to be a downside to this, and that is that there's no more Dexter so I really think nothing they could do would make the finale good enough for the series. I've been dissapointed many times so really I've come to hope for the best and enjoy them as much as possible. I had Imagined very different possibilities for this finale and I was pleased they managed to surprise me.

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  32. Luana ArturiSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM

    I don't think it's that easy: he doesn't need to kill anymore so Happy Ending! I think for Dexter it was much more profound than that, imagine a normal relationship with Hanna where they fight and are misserable and then he needs to kill again. Momentary relief doesn't mean life-long solution.

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  33. KwacenkaSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM

    It was hard for me to watch Deb die, I would love her to survive. I really thought that Dexter died, it would be sad, but kind of right for the ending. I really love Hannah and I´m happy she managed to get away with Harrison. Overall it was sad episode for me, but I had to laugh when Angel and Quinn watched the video of Dexter killing Saxon. That scene was priceless :D

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  34. SymSoaSeptember 23, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    disappointed .....

    This is a " final season" not

    Series Finale....

    they have would throw in recent years, a good show ...

    have wasted an opportunity.

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  35. RaySeptember 23, 2013 at 11:49 AM

    The one word that comes to mind as far as this entire season goes is... waste. Wasted potential, wasted moments, wasted screentime, wasted characters, wasted actors, wasted storylines, wasted... everything. This season should have been like season 2, only with Dexter being found out in the end. Where it went from there... well, I wouldn't even have minded this *specific* result, if the journey to get there wasn't such a... well, waste.



    A good part of what made the earlier seasons so good was the idea that eventually, somehow, these people Dexter was lying to would find out the truth. Not just Deb, but all of them. I would have loved to see the fallout of that, but... the show just... well it seems like they were too afraid or gun-shy to pull the trigger on everyone actually finding out the truth. And that right there is a damn shame, because it took the potential of an amazing final season and neutered it down to what we ended up with.

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  36. CliffSeptember 23, 2013 at 1:07 PM

    Just wanted to leave my opinion too after I went so evil against this show over the last weeks.


    I liked the episode. Not quite so much the ending, but it had some really good moments (and, fitting to the season also some VERY convenient/contrived coincidences).


    What I probably liked most about the whole episode though was Michael C Hall, who unleashed a stellar performance, reaching back to all that made him Dexter - in the earlier years. I was almost overwhelmed by the difference in his acting over the past weeks and his final(e) efforts. As if he pulled himself together for his (probably?) final act and told himself, alright, now let the guy those viewers loved out one last time. Great show, also by Jennifer Carpenter in the flashbacks - those sepia moments and her happy younger self made me all the sadder about her fate. And last but not least, Desmond Harrington was probably at his best ever, a shaking block of irritation and indifference after the fateful moments, he was totally believable (!) and might have won over quite some of his haters with the finale.


    So, sad to see this go that way, but let's be honest, with that pack of writers it was all the better. And the finale, while sub-par for what most fans originally wished from an ending of this show, could have been a lot worse considering what we had to endure during season 8, so I'm surprisingly satisfied and will miss the show quite a bit. Quite a bit :\

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  37. lala2September 23, 2013 at 2:34 PM

    I'm pretty sure Masuka was at the hospital when Dexter arrived. He had some reassuring words to Dexter about Deb.

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  38. lala2September 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM

    But Deb wanted him to be happy. He looked far from happy.

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  39. lala2September 23, 2013 at 2:53 PM

    If it was a plan, it was awfully risky, IMO. I guess Dexter could have been okay w/dying if that happened but I didn't get the sense that he planned it.

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  40. lala2September 23, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    Well, if there is a spin off, I certainly hope Dexter comes out of hiding! I hate the thought of him by himself in that logging community.

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  41. celineSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    I liked it, I liked that he didn't die, that death was too easy but I do not get why he had to kill deb the way he did and just dispose of her like he did with his other victims. he could have unplugged her legally and allowed her to have the funeral she deserved as a cop and a human being....

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  42. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 3:38 PM

    I agree. The problem lies in not having much voice over (which I think was brilliant), but I just read some post finale interviews and Colleton says it seems an intentional plan to go an isolate himself, but I think there is room to speculate as an aftermath decision, since there is little evidence of his pre-planing and that his voice over could be interpreted as Death or exile.

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  43. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    He killed him out of emotional necessity to avenge his sister and Dr. V. If they really wanted us to believe that he reset and not just punished himself, then they would have left us with a crime scene, voice over, and a dark passenger. The final scene with Dexter is isolation and disassociation not a complete reversion.

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  44. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 3:45 PM

    True, but he is in place where he could potentially hike by himself. (something she had hoped to do, if she would have visited him in Argentina)


    But the door is left open for us to wonder if he will ever reach out again and/or if someone, like Harrison even, might go searching for him, eventually.


    I think it makes sense that he is punishing himself, but I like that there is still room to still speculate some kind of future down the line and that they didn't just kill him off to overly resolve his humanity.

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  45. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:47 PM

    I for one really liked it!


    I always expected Deb to be dead, and Dexter to live so those two events happening did not throw me whatsoever. I also thought Dexter riding off into the sun with Hannah was a cringe-worthy finale option. Too happy ending and not at all in line with the series.So the three major events of the finale were all great to me,


    I liked the idea of Dexter having one last victim on the table only to discover he no longer desires the kill for the same old reasons. He does not need to kill. Then after discovering that side of himself he formulates a plan that allows him to kill that victim in the open in a legal manner. After years of covering up his deaths and keeping everything secret, his last victim on the slab ends up being a kill on camera and in the open, and designed to look completely legal!


    I personally liked Dexter killing Deb as the last act of brotherly love, the last act of being the protective big brother, was a brilliant choice. His final kill is not out of revenge or out of the desire to kill, it is out of love. The one emotion he has supposedly been incapable of the entire series according to some people.


    There was indeed some terribly bad CGI with Dexter on the boat in the storm.. and instead of Dexter driving his boat off into the sunset/ sunrise we got a moment of him riding off into the hurricane! XD


    I am still digesting the final isolating act honestly. I can easily see Dexter ending up alone, but as a lumberjack? Not so much. Leaving Harrison with Hannah was a self-sacrificing act out of love for them both. I can respect that aspect of the act. However, after realizing he no longer has the same drive to kill, to then isolate himself from humanity in one of the more remote areas is a bit disturbing to me. Even if done in an attempt to save Hannah and Harrison from the darkness that follows him around and eventually catches up to anyone in Dexter's life.


    Overall I loved the fact that it surprised me on many levels - not in the outcome of the final events themselves (I expected most of those honestly), but in how those events transpired. I really liked the man who thought he was incapable of love and would always be a killing machine turning the page on that chapter of his life. He is no longer the dark passenger, the boy who needs to kill and cannot feel.

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  46. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 3:52 PM

    That's how I took it too mostly...
    A state of self-isolation as a penance for everyone he has ever loved being affected by his actions.

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  47. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    I feel pretty certain that Dr. Vogel was right in the sense that Dexter had put a kind of false importance in Debra, as I think Harry's guilt of Laura Moser transferred onto Dexter and Dexter then subconsciously put that weight on Deb.


    I thought there was also a line sometime where Deb expressed that she never would want to be in that state, so to some degree, being a vegetable is probably not what Debra would have wanted, but by bringing her out near Hurricane "Laura" , Dexter is kind of giving something back into that pool that made him, as he realizes what experiencing Laura's death had cost him...now being fully human. There's a great irony in this final ritual, because he said he did not believe in miracles, and although the finale Dexter scene is somber, there is still hope that one day maybe that punishment he is giving himself will be payed and that he could still be apart of someone's future, eventually.

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  48. celineSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:01 PM

    I agree that Deb wouldn't want to be a vegetable but by disposing of her body like that Dexter once again acts like a selfish bastard, he destroys deb once again even though he "sacrificed" himself because he wanted to spare Hannah and Harrisson. That's BS IMO. She deserved a proper burial, not to be thrown in the sea like any other random victim of Dexter. On the other hand, Deb is in many way Dexter's victim so even if I can see the symbolic, I don't agree with it.

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  49. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 4:04 PM

    Even though those final Harrison words came quickly and suddenly, Harrison's response again provides some kind of sixth sense, as he tells Dexter before on saying goodbye in person, "I will miss you." (possibly implying for the long haul).


    Again I think contrived coincidences is a sign of fate in this universe and therefor they happen that way, because they are suppose to and thus make one continue to question 'purpose' in the Dexter universe...


    I think MCH's acting was stellar too, but I think he didn't hark back to "all" that Dexter ever was, because I don't think he ends the series a killer (little voice over, no Harry), but rather mustered up something decisive and decided he would try and take control over his own fate by confining himself to a life of solidarity. It might be the same force, but it was coming from a very different place IMO.

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  50. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 4:12 PM

    It's possible that they had a memorial service without her body. (Most likely the hospital will say something must have gotten mixed up in the storm) So I think there is still room that Miami Metro went out of there way to honor both of them. But I'm sure Quinn will always wonder...

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  51. celineSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:16 PM

    She will not, and you're right there could have been a mixed up with the hospital. I think Quinn knows exactly what dexter is, not that he's the bay harbor butcher but when they were watching the tape I felt that Quinn finally saw what he was looking for in Dexter, like he finally understood. I mean Dexter's reaction to being stabbed by Saxton was violent but then when he stood there very calmly before pressing the button, was not what you would expect of someone normal. I'm sure Quinn saw that, unlike Batista.

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  52. BonesForeverSeptember 23, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    I agree. I thought the ending was very unsatisfying, and soo out of whack. Killing Saxon with a pen, seriously, and Angel and Quinn had such a lame response. To me the whole thing just fizzled out instead of going out with a bang! And Dexter as a lumberjack--give me a break! I hated the finale, and I had so looked forward to it hoping it would redeem a lusterless final season....just lame.

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  53. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 5:17 PM

    I am still digesting the final isolating act honestly. I can easily see Dexter ending up alone, but as a lumberjack? Not so much. Leaving Harrison with Hannah was a self-sacrificing act out of love for them both. I can respect that aspect of the act. However, after realizing he no longer has the same drive to kill, to then isolate himself from humanity in one of the more remote areas is a bit disturbing to me. Even if done in an attempt to save Hannah and Harrison from the darkness that follows him around and eventually catches up to anyone in Dexter's life.



    I def think if there wouldn't have been other open ends and a lot of open talk about keeping the franchise alive, I think it would have been a more disturbing to me as well, but I also think this is the first time in Dexter's life where he really believes he should be punished and that is why I think there's something not "forever" and perhaps transforming about it, because Dexter is capable of so much more realization than before, and because he's working and around people (despite the attempts the finale makes to show him make any contact), he's really not a complete Island onto himself, as much as he's trying to make it so, as I think the show constantly challenged just how much control anyone really has, since life isn't ever just about any one of us, because we live among each other....

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  54. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 5:58 PM

    I'm not against the ending honestly. When I say "disturbing" I meant it actually affected me on some level. I'm not sure what to make of it exactly just yet, but I know I liked the more internalized finale than some crash bang boom explosive finale.


    To me Dexter was always about the man, not the action. I think the ending fit the series absolutely perfectly on that level.


    The open-endedness was not a bad thing to me either, but the level of amibgurosness did leave me wanting. I do not mind stories that leave the ending open to the viewer's interpretation (I quite prefer them to too neatly wrapped up contrivances), but I do like a little more information to lead me down a path.


    Once I watch the finale again and look for more clues and signs I might not feel that way, but right now I wish there was a little more direction in the final scenes.


    The things I do know are I did not find Dexter villainous for dumping Deb's body. To me that was one of the highlights of the episode. Also Dexter leaving Harrison with Hannah was not a cop out like some reviewers found it. Not in my opinion at least. If anything it was exactly the opposite as he was taking responsibility for how he affected everyone he ever loved. He was not running away from something as much as he was running away FOR something... So his remaining family can live in peace.

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  55. GraydonSeptember 23, 2013 at 6:51 PM

    But if he's with Hannah he wouldn't need to kill. Plus, there is no indication that their relationship would go like that. More importantly, even if they had problems Dexter could work through them, as he did with Rita. I don't think if he did leave with Hannah and Harrison I'd be perfect, but at least Dexter would finally have had that shot; instead he faked his death to "spare" them pain, even though by doing so he cost Harrison any future relationship with his father and left a devastating emotional wound that Harrison and Hannah will have to deal with for the rest of their lives. To put it simply: I'd say Dexter was in his misguided attempt at self-sacrifice, once again hurt the lives of those closest to him.

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  56. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 6:52 PM

    100% with you. Exactly how I feel and interpret it.

    My only point was that it ends in place where that ambiguity allows there to still be hope that it's true Dexter needed to be this way for now, but because it's not neatly wrapped, there's possibility that something could eventually bring Dexter back to the land of the living (so to speak), because I think a person can only isolate themselves so much...

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  57. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 8:04 PM

    I think in the future, what you say is true, but Dexter's need to punish himself is something he never has considered before and that is why I view it as another stage of transformation and not as a "forever" kind of thing, as that would be what killing himself off would do. Instead I think there is something about being overwhelmed and self preservation here. And honestly, if the writers wanted me to believe in pure solidarity forever, they would have had to send Dexter to the north pole where he would live on fish and lived in an igloo or something, otherwise, like all of Dexter's ideas to separate himself, this too will probably only last so long...


    As for Harrison. He was more prepared than Dexter was for Dexter's departure. IMO Harrison is a very special child.

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  58. DalbartSeptember 23, 2013 at 8:52 PM

    Most stupid idea ever ... If Dexter comes back, it's a f'ing 9th season of Dexter, not a spin-off, given the awesomeness of the character, he just can't be a secondary character, so stop saying that, the spin-off won't be about Hannah, and we won't see Dexter coming back.

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  59. DalbartSeptember 23, 2013 at 8:56 PM

    I was waiting to be "waw" by the end of the episode, instead I was "meh" all the time... At least I'm happy he didn't commit suicide, it was the worst idea ever... But, he actually abandoned his son, which I don't understand totally... And what the hell with absolutely no references from the first episode, no "present" for the fans, and no Astor and Cody ? OK, they were kinda annoying, but they were there in the very beginning, but not in the very end ? Why ? Fringe made an awesomely awesome series finale, with a lot a references for the very first fans, even House made his stars from the previous seasons coming back, come on ...
    Pretty good season finale, clearly not the level of a series finale

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  60. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:04 PM

    It was horrible. Just horrible.
    Worst season finale ever!
    And why doesn't Dexter ever learn? He didn't kill Trinity and he killed Rita. He didn't kill Saxon and he killed Deb. What do we learn from it? Kill the bastards when you have the chance. And he wouldn't be ruining the life of everyone he loves.
    Best part of it was Dex killing Saxon. I think Quinn and Batista knew. They just played along, cause they wanted him dead too.

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  61. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:05 PM

    The show was great. They just fucked up the end of the season.

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  62. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:10 PM

    I partly disagree. The actors were great, as always, there were some great scenes/moments this season, and the show hat potential till (almost) end of this season. They just screwed up the final. No one can deny that.
    I agree that it should be more like the early season.

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  63. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:15 PM

    It was horrible. The worst season final ever.
    Dex killing Deb, leaving Hannah and Harry, … Awful.
    Agree. Watching the video was great. I think Quinn and Batista knew that he killed Saxon on purpose. They just played along cause they wanted him dead too.

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  64. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:18 PM

    "But a Dexter finale without some sadness would have been an even bigger disaster than what they gave us." Sorry, I have to disagree. It would have been hard to screw it up more than they did. Unless they would force Dex to choose between Deb, Hannah and Harry. Like "One survives, two die. Who should live?"

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  65. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:23 PM

    Makes two of us hon.
    Ep 5, maybe 6 is the end of S8 for me too.

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  66. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:27 PM

    Definitely not to me! It was horrible. If I ever watch this season again, I stop with ep 5 or 6. Or maybe 8. Zack was super fun in it.

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  67. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:28 PM

    Agree. Awful.

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  68. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    Hallefuckinglujah. At least someone who's with me. I like Hannah (more the actor and her great performance that the actual character) and I get, that she loves Harry and will do what is only best for him. But you're nailing it! What in a year or 5 or 10 years, when she gets arrested? A wanted killer is not fit to raise a child. Remember a few eps back, when Harry got hurt and she had to take him into hospital.
    And if you think back correctly, it wasn't the killing that ruined it, but the hesitation. He didn't kill Trinity when he had the chance. And Trinity killed Rita. He didn't killed Saxon when he could and he killed Deb. Or Travis. He wanted to
    kill him, but Travis said, it was the professor. Dex believed him and didn't killed him. More people died because of it. Including almost Deb, him and his son. It seems to me that killing is not the problem. NOT killing is.

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  69. Play2254September 23, 2013 at 9:41 PM

    did you see his eyes right at the end that is the look he gets in his eyes when he resets

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  70. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:44 PM

    Can't argue with that.
    She did say she wanted him happy. He wasn't. Not even faking it like he used to do it in the early seasons.

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  71. kiaraASeptember 23, 2013 at 9:47 PM

    Open end? Can somebody explain to me, how the writers and producers are not able to close the show. To make a good finale. They knew it would be the end for 2 years for Christ sake! They didn't learn it by ep 10 or 11.
    I fucking hate open ends!

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  72. DarthLocke4September 23, 2013 at 10:07 PM

    MCH is executive producing Scott Buck's adaptation of trhe novel American Dream Machine and I believe MCH may have either a minor or supporting role, but this is one of SEVERAL projects Scott Buck has signed a two year contract with Showtime (so don't expect a Dexter season nine, which also would defeat the purpose of ending Dexter at all.

    Additionally Showtime boss David Nevins has stated that he wants to keep Dexter "franchise" alive and Scott Buck has also commented that he would help Nevine in such an endevor.

    It's not hard then, given the open endedness putting these facts together that spin off featuring another character, with potential for Dexter to resurface, seems like a good possibility.

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  73. Thomas MechSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM

    This finale had some good moments but the ending was just terrible and illogical for me. He would never leave his son or break Hanna's heart like this. After all those years he finally found a way towards the light und just like that he's abandoning the people who made him better? That doesn't make sense to me. Deb's death was sad but maybe necessary. Not enough screen time for Masuka though. And I kinda wished for something to wrap up the whole series. Maybe some more scenes and memories from the past, if only in flashbacks, would have been nice.
    A Harrison-Spin-off would certainly be interesting. But years in the future. They could bring Dexter back as an old man. But I'm not quite sure about the spin-off thing. What would it be about?

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  74. GraydonSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:30 PM

    True, his unwillingness to kill was an important factor in their deaths. That being said I still believe that had he not attempted to kill or gone after those people to begin with to feed his urge, their deaths could've been avoided.

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  75. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:32 PM

    There were call backs all season long to the earlier seasons and past characters.. bit parts for past characters or cases being mentioned. Not to mention the heavily focused on "Ice Truck" that Saxon walked past before stealing the pickup truck in the mall parking lot during this finale.



    I think they made the right choice by not going with the cliche sentimentality "gift to our fans" that many shows do.


    It was not perfect and I would have liked one more Dexter narration, but after reading the producers reasoning for ending the narrations I appreciate their choice even more honestly.

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  76. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:34 PM

    I'm so glad they did not go down that road!


    We had seen that plot device used multiple times in earlier seasons and doing it one more time would have felt very familiar and heavy-handed. Not to mention obvious.

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  77. MorbidPetSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    It just sucked. I've just seen it so I'm just feeling very empty and not very much in the mood for any constructive criticism. I'm just a mess. That truly sucked.
    And those flashback scenes? Common! They used a fucking doll as a baby for the most of the scenes and didn't even do a good job hiding it. Oh, to quote Deb as some kind of tribute; that fucking sucked. The entire fucking episode fucking sucked. Fucking password.

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  78. DarqueModeSeptember 23, 2013 at 10:49 PM

    I do not think the finale was perfect, but it was vaguely how I expected it all to pan out. Dexter always needed to kill Deb, but the way and reasoning for it was surprising and special to me. It made the finale.

    I also never thought he could be happy off with his new family... It just was not ever going to happen.

    I thought there was something poetic and tragic about the boy without feelings evolving into the man who feels only to realize that has life long dream of being "normal" or "human" was not what he thought it would be... Horrific. The proverb 'Be careful what you wish for, because it might come true' comes to mind. After a lifelong quest to find himself he had to literally kill himself as a way of dealing with his new found emotions.

    As much as I did like the finale on first viewing, I will admit it was not entirely satisfying. I really had to think about it and analyze my feelings as much as Dexter's. Now that I have (with help from producer's comments) I actually like the finale even more!

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  79. Chris KellySeptember 23, 2013 at 11:54 PM

    I was hoping for something way more intense than what we got. Did not feel like a series finale in the slightest, kind of ended like we should expect another season to wrap everything up.


    I did not like that Dexter didn't pay for, or at least be close to finding out about his crimes. I get that his isolation is his own punishment, but they never made that clear at all.
    I wanted the show to go full circle, have him in his own plastic covered room, surrounded by pictures of loved ones, and stabbing himself in the chest.


    You know what, see at the very end when sits in his chair and closes his eyes - Harry should have appeared - then cut to black. Isolation sets himself off and he realises that Harrison is his saving grace

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  80. DalbartSeptember 24, 2013 at 12:21 AM

    I get the no season 9, it's just that you can't bring back MCH in the spin off with the audience falling for him again, the charisma of the actor and the character would make him steal the spotlight of the main character, that was my point

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  81. DarthLocke4September 24, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    IMO it depends on who the character it is that is featured, because if it would be Hannah and/or Harrison, then having a realization to those characters that Dexter is alive would be a profound thing to place onto their own personal existences, because he is already a central figure/person that had effected each deeply...

    If they wanted this to not be an option, then they wouldn't have allowed Dexter to live at all, but by doing so, they show us that despite he's belief in punishing himself, he still had the audacity and will to need to live...Therefore there is then still hope for all that he has been suffering.

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  82. DarthLocke4September 24, 2013 at 1:25 AM

    I don't think it's a reset, as much as it's confirmation that Dexter still lives on and that there is still an existence.

    But IMO if they wanted us to think he reset, Harry, music, and some indication of murder would have to be present, because the absence of it confirms he still doesn't need to kill...

    Some of the interviews by the show-runners also clarify this. He's not up to the same old. He's punishing himself by isolating himself....

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  83. kiaraASeptember 24, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    But he did have those urges back then. Even in S7 with Deb he could barely control it. And he only did what Harry (and Vogel) taught him: releasing those urges by killing killers and not innocent people.
    He had to kill. Remember the early seasons, when Harry trained him and Dex killed animals. Well, you could say that if he wouldn't have gone after Trinity, Trinity would have never found and killed Rita. But then you could say, if he would have finished him the first chance he got, Trinity would have never had
    the chance to go after Dex and Rita.

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  84. KwacenkaSeptember 24, 2013 at 8:14 AM

    Of course they knew. Their looks and Dexter´s perfect killing moves :D What probably made me laugh the most was how calmly he pushed the button at the end of the video :D At least something good came from this episode :D

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  85. DalbartSeptember 24, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    Whoever the characters are, Dexter is still the most charismatic of all. As for the punishment, I think that being alive when everyone he loves is dead/thinks Dex is dead make a way better punishment than him dying. So if we have him bring back to life in the future spin off, it's like if the season 8 finale didn't exist and all the choices and the reasoning he made were just bullshit to end the series. Or at least it's my opinion.

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  86. kiaraASeptember 24, 2013 at 1:10 PM

    And what good? That he killed Saxon? That doesn't bring Deb back from the dead. It doesn't make Dex any happier. It doesn't give Harry his father back … Dex should have killed him when he got his first chance. Everything would have been better. Deb would be alive, Dex would be happy with Hannah and Harry.

    "How calmly he pushed the button at the end" well, if Batista and Quinn wouldn't have want Saxon dead too, that "calmly" would have blown Dex cover. As I said, they ignored it. Played along. I would have too.

    The only good part in this ep was for me when Dex killed Saxon.

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  87. DarthLocke4September 24, 2013 at 2:05 PM

    I still respectfully disagree because people can only punish themselves for so long, "IF" they make a conscience decision to live...


    If there is one element of truth to the core of whom Dexter is, it is that he is capable of having continuous revelations that have the capacity to change his perspective.

    Additionally despite the effort of making him appear to live a life of solidarity, the writers really didn't make it too "confining". If they would have locked him away or had him go somewhere where there are literally "no" people, then I would think a little more of their choice, but Dexter has to work with other people, he had to meet someone to buy his living space, ect. And also, Dexter was always about the idea that we all only ever have so much control, despite our intentions. It's unrealistic, as always, for Dexter to think he can hide forever. There's always "something" that comes and changes what he wanted....

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  88. DarthLocke4September 24, 2013 at 2:30 PM

    True, but that isn't his fault either. Harry's guilt is what transferred onto Dexter and it was his belief that Dexter couldn't change that caused him to push for a solution, which was Dr. Vogel and the code. And to make matters worse he caused anxiety between Dexter and Deb by trying to keep them apart. It's why things make sense, as Debra became his substitute for Laura Moser and why Harry appears as the primary dark Passenger, because it's Harry's beliefs he has to fight against.


    But a lot of the people Dexter killed, really were deadly people.

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  89. DarthLocke4September 24, 2013 at 5:43 PM

    I think happiness in this situation is hard thing, because even though I agree that Dexter punishing himself isn't picture of happiness, in his mind he thinks he is providing happiness to someone else (Hannah, Harrison), because he now believes he is the cause of many's unhappiness. He's trying to take some responsibility for his actions....


    Even though I don't find this a complete reversion to whom Dexter believed he once was at the beginning of the series, there is still an element of Dexter's need to survive that is in line with the core of whom Dexter has been. There's an audaciousness and/or glimmer of hope in Dexter's [flawed] decision here, because he didn't turn himself in and he didn't/wasn't able to kill himself. Another core element is that Dexter was always somebody who believed he had control, when he usually didn't, and that might still be true down the line with this plan to segregate himself from society...

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  90. GraydonSeptember 25, 2013 at 3:43 AM

    I don't doubt that he had those urges, it's more of his choosing to release them on Trinity and Saxon, and going after them instead of telling the police or in Saxon's case not leaving Miami or killing them when he had the chance that caused their deaths.

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  91. kiaraASeptember 25, 2013 at 8:09 PM

    This will be long. Sorry.

    Deb didn't say: everything is your fault, I want you to punish yourself. She said, she wants him happy or that he deserves to be happy. Something like that (I can't remember and I don't wanna watch again). He's punishing himself for nothing. And the point is, he didn't learn. It's not his urge to kill that is bringing people around him in danger. It's when he doesn't kill. I already posted it: he didn't kill Trinity when he had the chance and Trinity killed Rita. He didn't kill Saxon and he killed Deb. And what about Hannah? She was already on his table and he rather fucked her than killed her. And she not only almost killed Deb, she ruined his relationship with Deb, what almost destroyed both of them (Dex and Deb).

    If he would take responsibility for his action, he would kill his targets and not let them go away so they can keep on killing.

    True. He always believed he has the control over everything. And maybe isolating himself from society is a way to exert control.

    But what if, and I'm only speculating, he didn't wanna get away with everything? I know, in know. The first rule, to never get caught. And his will to survive. Let me explain: Deb was dying. He blamed himself for everything and he believed that he brings in danger every person he cares for, that he ruined the live of every person he loved. I think, he didn't care if he gets caught or if he dies. First, Saxon. He never made mistakes before. And now he kills in front of a camera? He's calm, he goes directly for the biggest artery, he takes his time to push the button and don't forget that he's willing to go alone into a cell with a serial killer (who by the was almost killed his sister). Can it be more obvious that it was NOT self-defense but planned? You saw the looks on Batistas and especially Quinns feces. They didn't bought it. They just played along cause they wanted him dead too (for Deb). Dex could have been speculating on them letting him walk for Saxons murder because of Deb. But even if he did speculate on it, he still could have been more convincing in front of the camera (by simply pushing the button in panic and not completely calm). I think, he didn't care if they lock him away. Maybe he was testing his luck. Maybe he even wanted to get caught. Like: I have nothing else to loose. He quit his job, Deb was dying, Harry and Hannah were safe (having a better life without him, he believed), …

    Second, the storm. Every normal person sailing into a storm like that already made his peace with whatever God (or whatever) he/she believes in. Maybe he wanted to die. Finish his life to make sure, he won't destroy the lives of people he loves. Or maybe he was again testing his luck. Would he die, or would he survive? Of course we could speculate that he wanted to fake his death. Believable. But then, of course, there are easier ways to do that. And he barely had time to prepare anything (anything better than bringing his boat into the storm and then take a lifeboat or life vest and hope he makes it to the coast). If they would have shown us, how he survived, it would be clearer. They didn't. So all we can do is speculate.
    As I said, it's just my theory. But it looked to me like he was testing his luck twice. Maybe he even wanted to get caught or die.

    With "he didn't/wasn't able to kill himself", what did you mean? That he planned to do it, but didn't had the guts to do it? Or how did you mean that? Cause the boat was destroyed in the storm. He was clearly going for the center. The question is, if he was prepared to fake his death, or if it was pure luck that he survived.

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  92. kiaraASeptember 25, 2013 at 8:45 PM

    Of course he was going after killers. It's what the code says. To kill only killers and to kill them only, when you have proof they are guilty. Of course he wasn't going after bank robbers and pickpockets. So much for all the people he killed till S8. And as for S8, it was Vogel who brought him into this. But then again, as soon as the first surgeon victims would have shown up, the surgeon (Saxon) would have been Dexters primary target, even without Vogel.

    Police? Ah, you're so sweet. Even if he would give them anonymous hints and evidence, it is questionable if they would have any value. Don't forget, that he got most of his evidence by breaking in and stealing. They would never stand in court. Not to mention, that he used police resources to analyze those evidence, find his victims, … You think they wouldn't sooner or later found out that it has to be someone form inside? And don't forget, that some of his victims never had problems with police, and the police didn't even know they were murders. Like this music teacher or whatever in S1 who liked to kill little boys. Okay, maybe once a year or so, he could have pulled that up. Giving the police evidence and hints to help them lock away some of the killers. But he killed hundreds of people in his 20 or so years of killing. And don't forget that he DID had the urge to kill. He had to kill himself, not only watch the being arrested (and watch them getting free cause they weren't enough evidence).

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  93. kiaraASeptember 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM

    Support that!!!!!

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  94. kiaraASeptember 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM

    Yes, I know. To really, final, close a chapter (or in this case finish the show) they would have to kill all mayor characters (Dex, Deb, Harry, Hannah, Quinn, …). And believe me, I'm glad they didn't. And maybe it's just that I hate the end, but it seems open to me. Then again, if he would have follow Hannah and Harry to Argentina and live happily ever after, it would have felt like an open end too. But I wouldn't hate it so much.

    Of course letting him live allows a possible sequel (another season, a movie, spin off, …). I'm just not sure I want it without Deb.

    I don't know. I just HATE the end. I so hoped for Dex and Deb to be happy together. Or Hannah, if they wanted him with Hannah. Since it was a drama, marked by death and loss I kinda hoped for a happy end.

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  95. DarthLocke4September 25, 2013 at 10:51 PM

    I'm not disputing what Deb said, only what DEXTER feels he needs to do now. He's never really listened to her so why would he start now!XD It's true he's punishing himself and in the short term, it obviously hurts Hannah (I think Harrison already understands), but in the long term maybe he is doing them a favor....But another way to look at it is that Dexter is doing something incredibly human, he's morning his losses through his isolation and solitude. That's why I think there is something hopeful for him eventually.

    I think Quinn always knew there was something off with Dexter, but his after Saxon-killing scene, proved he was a-ok with Dexter doing what he did in this instance . Batista def saw a side of Dexter he never has, but being a little political here, Batista is going to support Dexter---even more so that Dexter is thought to be dead and Deb too has gone missing...

    Regardless of whether he fully prepared to move (which is unlikely IMO) or if it was an after thought from unexpectedly surviving doesn't really matter, because one way or another he was not planning on meeting Hannah and Harrison once Deb went into a comma.

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  96. LockeUpSeptember 26, 2013 at 3:57 AM

    Fucking terrible. God-awful writing throughout the season. The episode by itself was good but what a waste of a season. End was a cop-out and I could have thought up a better ending.

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  97. LockeUpSeptember 26, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    That spinoff would be absolutely terrible.

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  98. LockeUpSeptember 26, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    Glad someone has some reason here.

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  99. DarthLocke4September 26, 2013 at 4:06 AM

    Disagree near perfect parallel minus a dark passenger and different back story.

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  100. kiaraASeptember 26, 2013 at 5:49 PM

    Hopeful? Well, yes. He's punishing himself, mourning for the people he lost, he isolated himself to protect others, … all in all this shows more humanity than he showed in all the past years. So, coming to humanity there is hope for him. But I think there is no hope that he can ever have a happy life, that he can be happy again.

    Quinn definitely suspected him before. But it wasn't Dex being a killer. And even if, it was just about Rita. Quinn suspected him, cause shortly after Ritas death, a young blond woman moved into the house. I'm not sure if Quinn suspected Dex being a killer. And even if, he didn't suspect him for being a serial killer. And he dropped it. But it still looked like he wasn't really surprised. Batista was surprised. Have to agree on that one.
    About Deb going missing. If they check the security cameras, they will see Dex bringing her out.

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  101. kiaraASeptember 26, 2013 at 5:56 PM

    "he could have just killed them before they posed a threat to him" Well, this goes for Trinity. He failed to kill him and that was, when he became a threat to Dex. It goes partly for Travis. Dex probably had the kill room prepared and wanted to kill kim, when Travis said it was the professor who did the killings. He belived it himself, so Dex believed him too. But it doesn't go for Saxon. Saxon became a threat the moment Vogel made contact with Dexter. Dex did his best to find and catch him. The mistake was, not to kill him when he had the chance.

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  102. DarthLocke4September 26, 2013 at 7:45 PM

    " But I think there is no hope that he can ever have a happy life, that he can be happy again."

    Why not? The audacity to live is hope enough, as again, this series kept pointing out how little control anyone had...so most likely there will be something that moves him/ruins his plans yet again...It just may be while.

    The writers said in their post finale interviews that Quinn knows something, not that he's TBHB, but something and he's "OK" with it. (He wanted to kill Saxon too! and Quinn and Dexter have been on mutual respect terms since the end of season 5)

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  103. GraydonSeptember 26, 2013 at 7:46 PM

    Or not leaving when Saxon told him to. God dammit the writers were so fucking lazy in season 8.

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  104. kiaraASeptember 27, 2013 at 7:37 AM

    He didn't look like he has much hope. At least to me it didn't look like it. More like he somehow lives from one day to another just waiting to die. I mean, did you see a computer, a TV, books, or even a radio in his room? Maybe there was and I didn't see it. I watched it only once I don't intend to watch it again. But it looks to me like he goes to work, comes home, sits at the table, stares at the wall and waits till it's time to go to sleep. Like he's just passing time till he dies. I didn't even noticed any pictures of Harry or Deb. Didn't look hopeful to me. Or alive. My cat sleeps 22 hours a day. She probably has more of her life then him.

    I didn't read the interview. Maybe I will. Quinn knows. The look on his face after watching the video tells more than an interview. Yes, they respected each other since Dex covered for him.

    Don't get me wrong, but just cause he said it, it doesn’t mean he meant it. We don't know what he meant with it. If he really intended to kill himself (as I said, we don't know why he did the things he did: killing Saxon in front of a camera, going for the storm. Maybe he wanted to end it. Or he just tried his luck. "After all I survived, maybe I survive this, maybe I die. Time to find out" We don't know what was going on inside his head) he could have meant that he will see them on the other side. Before you say it, yes, he never showed any signs of believing in a higher power (like God) or life after death or anything connected to religion, although the subject came up in S6. But maybe that changed. He became more human in the last seasons (compared to the early season), maybe now he feels the need to believe in something. That he will see the all in the next life or afterlife, or however you'll call it.

    As I said, we don't know what's going on inside his head. It's one of the reasons I love books. You know what they think and feel. In movies and shows you have to guess.

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  105. DarthLocke4September 27, 2013 at 2:29 PM

    He doesn't have hope "now", because he is going through penitence, but the act to live points that there might be hope down the line.

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  106. DarthLocke4September 27, 2013 at 6:16 PM

    EXACTLY! :)

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  107. ThaWolfOctober 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM

    I really liked this show a lot. Really a LOT. But those last two eps? Just NO. You could not pay me to watch those again. I was super disappointed with how this awesome show ended. I will just try to forget those last two eps and read a fan fic or something, almost anything would be better then how tptb decided to end this master peace.

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  108. mrotherApril 8, 2014 at 3:11 AM

    Awful with the biggest number of votes? Jeez, what happened to that show...

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  109. VictorApril 8, 2014 at 3:38 AM

    I don't even know how to react to that. As much as I wanted to see him happy in Argentina, when he went into the hurricane I felt it was a fitting way to die on his own terms, in a way to protect his loved ones. I would have much rather had him die and not know that he ended up abandoning his kid and the love of his life to protect them.

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  110. lala2April 8, 2014 at 3:56 AM

    I had two conditions for the finale:

    (1) Dexter could not die.
    (2) Dexter could not go to jail

    But having seen the finale now, I think I would have preferred Dexter dying than isolating himself as he's done. That was too sad for me. Like Deb said, I do think Dexter deserved to be happy, and I wish he had met up w/Harrison and Hannah.

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