Yesterday saw the rise of the long quote. Every quote too long to fit in the poll except 2 made it to round three, and 1 one of those was going against another long quote. Short quotes didn't fare near as well. "Sweetheart I don't do shorts" lost by 4 votes, while Sam's "blah blah blah blah" speech got 48% of the vote and his "Boop" as drugged out Sam got 46%. Special shout out to my favorite Sam quote "Low sodium freaks" which also did not make it. It's going to be one angsty end to this contest as the snarky comments are leaving in droves. Today is one of the easiest voting days of all for me because I dislike about 1/4 of the quotes in here. Sadly most of them are pretty popular so I am destined to be disappointed until they start going up against each other. Here's hoping you like the choices better than I do. Happy voting!
Quotes Too Long for Poll:
Poll 20 - Sam: "I am smart and so are you. You're not a grunt, Dean. You're a genius. When it comes to lore, to…you're the best damn hunter I have ever seen. Better than me. Better than dad. I believe in you Dean, so please, please believe in me too." (Trial and Error)
Poll 28 - Dean: "Hey I've got a question for you. You've seen a lot of horror movies yeah?" Kat: "I guess so." Dean: "Do me a favor. Next time you see one, pay attention. When someone says a place is haunted, don't go in." (Asylum)
Poll - Dean & Sam in tandem: "Right, you're a mind reader. Cut it out Sam. Sam. You think you're being funny but you're being really, really childish. Sam Winchester wears make-up. Sam Winchester cries his way through sex. Sam Winchester keeps a ruler by the bed and every morning when he wakes up…OK, ok, enough." (Mystery Spot)
Poll - Crowley: "Don't worry about…what? Like Lucifer didn't worry, or Michael, or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry? Am I the only game piece on the board who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped nightmares?" (The Man who Would be KIng)
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Man do I dislike a lot of these quotes. I will continue to dislike them as they all make it to round 3. :-P
ReplyDelete17. No contest. I hate the fairy tale quotes and I love when Sam says, "I lost my shoe." It's such a powerful combination of words, delivery, and facial expressions from both brothers.
18. Again no contest. I detest the Bugs quote and I think Dean is adorable too. Dean for the win.
19. Wow, this set has a theme going. I also detest the Clap Your Hands quote so I will go with the classic "Take your brother outside…" one.
20. Sam gets up the courage to tell Dean that he has visions because they need to save Jenny's family always gets him right in the heart. It beats anything said in season 8 even if it won't win.
21. I like both quotes but Sam is saying that he won't give up on Dean no matter what and Bobby understands what he's saying. It's one of my favorite Bobby and Sam moments.
22. Dean snarking in the face of death or Dean bawling about the past - no question. Besides that scene in Faith rocks. Sam better take care of the Impala.
23. Bwah, to both but Sam set himself up for the second one and it's kind of true.
24. Faith gets my vote again. I had a completely different take on Snuggle after this episode aired. Plus it was a lot of fun tracking Snuggle during the hellatus that first summer.
25. First hard one of the night. I will be okay if either wins but for me the line from AHBL2 closed 2 seasons of story in a completely satisfying way. It is hard to top AHBL2 and this is one of its best scenes.
ReplyDelete26. I love Dean's sarcasm about the changelings but Sam saying they could shoot Bela, just not in public makes me howl with laughter.
27. This one has yet another quote I hate so I'm very good with Sam threatening Chuck.
28. Oooh this one is hard. I like them both equally so I guess practical advice about not going into haunted places wins. If more people followed that, Dean and Sam wouldn't have so much work to do.
29. Again, I really detest the juvenile humor of the Mystery Spot quote and I consider "Demons I get. People are crazy." to be a classic line that I can use in real life. Well the latter part of it. I have a feeling I am going to be very disappointed in this set of polls because all the terrible lines are going to make it through.
30. I don't detest either of these lines but I'm not sure how the Uriel one has come this far since I find it pretty meh compared to most of these. On the contrast, Sam hugging that poor, obviously uncomfortable guy makes me laugh every time.
31. I'm a big, big fan of Dean's trouble line but the whole family sitting in the car, the brothers in the back, and John threatening to turn the car around is pure gold.
32. Like both of these but Crowley deserves a little love in this contest.
17. For me it is Sam and his shoe, great silent acting from Jensen. lol
ReplyDelete18. Adorable Dean
19. Love that quote from Clap Your Hands, in fact, Souless Sam was AWESOME in this ep.
20. Sam's visions come true
21. Oh please let this one win, it is another quote that is at the heart of the show..Sam saving Baby for Dean.
22. Dean finally telling Sam about Hell
23. Sam:
"Um we need to think Dean. Wha…what do we know of that has…uh, Jason
Bourne fighting skills, dies a lot, and has a history with violent
women?" Dean: "I don't know. You."
24. Teddy Bear
25. I like both, but went with Jerk
ReplyDelete26. Shooting Bela, just not in public..so dang funny.
27. The boys in chains..Dean: "You kinky SoB. We don't swing that way."
28. Dean: "Don't be afraid of the dark?
29. Demons I get. People are crazy
30. Don't care for either of these, but went with the hugging..not one of my favorite eps until the last part. Just silly to me.
31. Awkward family road trip, made me laugh, been there done that. lol
32. One of Crowley's best lines. "Don't worry about…what? Like Lucifer didn't worry, or Michael,
or Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry? Am I the only game piece
on the board who doesn't underestimate those denim-wrapped nightmares?"
#30 I think there are funnier Cas lines that I haven't even seen in the contest.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure some of your hated lines won't make it. Some of them are up against quotes I am pretty sure are way more popular than them.
ReplyDeleteHow about a poll on what season 9's opening song will be?
ReplyDeleteI only have great hope for "I lost my shoe." Other than that, I am prepared to be disappointed. :-P
ReplyDeleteI agree that RoboSam was awesome in CYHiYB, but that quote annoys me to no end. I would much rather have his wackadoodle quote in here.
ReplyDeleteThat would be a lot of fun. I always guess and I never get it right. Usually though, I love what they pick.
ReplyDelete2-20 Quote from Trail and Error still ticks me off to no end. See red every time I see or hear it. Really wish it would disappear (like in never happened) but I'm sure it will probably win. Jared did do a great job with it but I'll never be able to vote for it because it's was so full of it that it wasn't even funny.
ReplyDeleteThat's the only poll that I voted AGAINST a quote. All the others I could actually pick one I wanted.
I really enjoy this activity. It reminds me of the early seasons which I like much better than later ones.
There were a whole lot more nominations for seasons 1 and 2 than there were for seasons 4 and 5 so that probably explains it.
ReplyDeleteThere are far fewer Crowley lines in this contest than I expected. I never expected anyone but Dean or Sam to be in the finals but I expected Crowley to make it to round 1 more often.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you guess for this season? I couldn't come up with one, although "Don't Bring Me Down" by ELO came on today and I thought that would be ironic with the angels falling and all.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of much in Trial and Error, especially when it would have been so easy to let both brothers do the trials. It didn't seem to do anything but make Sam the sick one again and leave Dean to cook and watch his brother. Been there, done that ad nauseam.
ReplyDeleteI also like this contest because I find the early years to be the snarkiest with the most fun quotes. Reading these quotes let's be relive my favorite moments in the series.
Ha! That would be perfect. I haven't really thought about it yet, since I won't be watching season 9 until the summer hiatus next year but I bet the brainstorm list of all the SPN fans here on SpoilerTV would be extensive. I'll think about it and get back to you later.
ReplyDeleteOops! Hope I didn't spoil anything for you. Keep forgetting that not everyone is on the same season the US is. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteYes! Thank you. Posters tend to attack me as anti-Sam when I say that but it's really like you said. Sam sick again, Dean helpless to just watch and take care of and so very over this repeating theme. Them doing it together would have been MUCH, MUCH better.
ReplyDeleteReally hoping for some new, different and fresh things season 9 but not having much hope after this last season. Oh, well, fingers crossed!
No worries. You didn't spoil anything. I have watched all of season 8 already. Next year I will watch all of season 9 over the summer hiatus instead of weekly so I have a long time to think about the opening song and other things.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the scenario set up in Trial and Error did either brother any favors. I think a lot of SPN fans agree. Most seem to want something other than Sam as the hurt victim of the supernatural and Dean as Sam's caretaker. I too hope that season 9 is much, much better than the disappointment that was season 8.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the premiere song, but Crowley's theme song is now "Almost Human" by Voltaire for me.
ReplyDeleteEverything in that episode was bullcrap.
ReplyDeleteSad but very, very true. The whole thing was a mess that in turn left the second half of the season a mess.
ReplyDeleteSay is ain't so. I hope beyond hope that at least Crowley can turn back into his manipulative, snarky self or else it will be another great character ruined for me.
ReplyDeleteIt's a song from the Devil's POV, so ... :) I waver on Crowley. I liked him fine when he was first intro'd. Didn't care much for him last season. This season was better, but that's because he was actually a nemesis for the Winchesters.
ReplyDeleteIt definitely was a mess, but the second half had the episodes that generally didn't make me want to kill lots of people. Or kill fewer people than the first half.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. If the second half was a mess, the first half was a natural disaster that took out half the planet.
ReplyDeleteI would like for Crowley to be the Big Bad in the final season and the Winchesters take him out in the series finale. But then again I am partial to Mark Sheppard. The man needs his own show.
ReplyDeleteI wish they'd bring back his character on Doctor Who. He was marvelous. A gay secret service agent during the 70s.
ReplyDeleteMy second favorite role for him was Sterling on Leverage. Man I miss that show. I would love for them to bring him back on White Collar and Burn Notice too.
ReplyDelete2 17 Sammy and his lost shoe. :)
ReplyDelete2 18 We all think you're adorable Dean. :)
2.19 John: "Take your brother outside as fast as you can. Don't look back. Now Dean! Go!" (Pilot)
2 20 Nightmare/ home quote.
The Sam quote would have got it if it had been in anothe context for I agree that both boys are smart but s8 deserves nothing.
2 21 Saving the Impala is paramount!
2 22 Taking care of the Impala is important here too, aside from saving Dean of course!
2 23I like both of thes but I'll give a little love to the memory of soulless Sam.
2 24 Huinting teddy bears is an important part of a hunter's to do list.
2 25 love both of these but the jerk- bitch is just 'them'. .)
2 26 'Can I shoot her, not in public!'. Love this little exchange. :)
2 27Sam: "Oh hey Chuck, look if you really
want to publish more books I guess that's okay with us." Chuck: "Wow,
really?" Sam: "No, not really. We have guns and we'll find you." (TRG)
Call me Sam and I'll come along and give a hand! :)
2 28 like both but I go with--- Dean:
"Don't be afraid of the dark? What? Are you kidding me? Of course you
should be afraid of the dark! You know what's out there!" (Pilot)
2 29 Dean: "I'll say it again. Demons I get. People are crazy." (The Benders)
While I like their little double speech in Mystery Spot.What Dean says here is just so true!
2 30 Sam's brave little soldier speech was so funny, as was Dean's face as he looked on.:)
2 31John: "Shut up all of you. Look not
another word or so help me I will turn this car around." Dean: "Wow.
Awkward family road trip." Sam: "No kidding." (The Song Remains the
Same)
The two grown up kids in the back seat gets it.
2 32 Crowley:
"Don't worry about…what? Like Lucifer didn't worry, or Michael, or
Lilith or Alastair or Azazel didn't worry? Am I the only game piece on
the board who doesn't underestimate those…(TMwwbK)
Ah, but that's why you're Crowley and the rest are dopes!
However, Crowley could have killed Sam and Dean innumerable times, and if he hasn't, he must have a soft spot for them. He would never admit to it even under torture of course! :)
Even if they had just reversed the roles, it would have given a fresh approach; caretaker Sam to ill Dean, but the bros doing the trals together would have been the best idea.
ReplyDeleteOf course season eight was already terrible by that time so it would have taken much more to save it.
I really want to hope that season nine is an improvement but these writers continue to seem so superficial that I have very low expectations.
Instead of asking fans for advice they shouls be studying the past history of the show and creating fresh story-lines without trashing what has gone before since season one.
LOL They should bring out a disaster movie. "How Supernatural, Season Eight Brought On The End Of The World As We Know It!" :-)
ReplyDeleteI prefer to call it Apocalypse 2: Winchesters Lose. Or perhaps Apocalypse 2: Fans Lose is more accurate.
ReplyDeleteReversed roles would have caused its own problems given that Sam didn't have much to do in the first half. Sam fans would have screamed bloody murder if he didn't have anything to do in the second half either. Of course the writers could have fixed this by giving both brothers a strong first half and then I would agree that having Dean take the trials and Sam playing caregiver would have been a nice switch. I think they need to avoid HurtSam like the plague in season 9 if they want to be successful at all. If they have to keep splitting the brothers instead of making them a solid, kick butt hunting machine, then I would prefer that Dean get hurt in the mytharc role while Sam communicates with other characters about his worry over Dean. Perhaps he can fix salads too. Argh! They need to fire the writers' room and get someone new in. Nothing gets fixed without a major shakeup.
ReplyDelete#18 - Agreed. They are both adorable and together they are even better.
ReplyDelete#20 - If it is anywhere close, I will vote against the season 8 quote too. There's only a couple still in that I can fathom.
#24 - Ha! That should be made into a t-shirt.
#27 - Hey if you are taking out Chuck, I want in on that party.
#29 - I have a feeling the demons-people quote is doomed but it will continue to be in my top 10 quotes.
Neither brother had much to quite honestly.
ReplyDeleteDean had Purg and Sam Amelia but in the end it was thin pickings for both.
Yeah the writers are just....!
Yesterday Mr Fizzles was mentioned again by one of them. :(
Maybe it's just me, but why can't we get back to some serious horror , hunting stuff instead of the melodrama SPN is turnig into. This from someone who loves the brother moments even the angsty ones but even they only work when the background is more thrilling.
Mr. Fizzles? Oh kill me now. If Adam Glass brings that monstrosity back, he can be added to the salt and burn list. That puppet should have been toast the second the idea came up in the writers' room the first time. I am all for a return to horror with unique urban legends and monsters. If I wanted to watch emoangsting, I'd turn on Grey's Anatomy instead. If I want to watch angels, I'll go rent a movie or Netflix Highway to Heaven. Supernatural hasn't been scary in so long I doubt they would recognize it if they ever took the time to actually watch the beginning years of the show.
ReplyDeleteI also agree that Dean didn't have much to do in season 8 at all, including the beginning. Purgatory should have gone much longer and it should have had a more long-lasting effect on Dean.
Well, it seems Chuck continued writiing even after he disappeared ( SPN magic! ) so it'll be an interesting hunt to go looking for him. You're welcome to come along!
ReplyDeleteAgreed, Sam and Dean are both adorabe and their cuteness is squared to the umpteenth power when they are together. :)
Breakdown of recent tweets from #SPNFamily: "More Sam. More Dean. More Sam&Dean. More Cas. More Sam&Dean&Cas. My Conclusion: More Mr. Fizzles", by R Thomson.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Purgatory was underused and Dean seemed no different to what he was before, although I can't imagine Purgatory having as great an effect on anyone as Hell has.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Purgatory was an eternal hunt but it wasn't something that Dean had no experience of.
Hell on the other hand was pure despair , horror and torture.
A million times worse.In fact Dean was much more affected by Hell.
Ha! I think they have Chuck hidden away in the writers' room where they throw canon-breaking anvils at him and torture him with Mr. Fizzles. He will probably be relieved when we take him out and send him off to...um, is it still heaven? An angel-less SPN heaven actually sounds well, heavenly.
ReplyDeleteI'm taking that as a joke then. Robbie Thompson would never unleash Mr. Fizzles on us again. Now if it were an Adam Glass tweet, I'd say run for the hills while you still can.
ReplyDeleteI just wanted Purgatory to burn off his overwhelming guilt and make him enjoy hunting again. Despair Dean got too much of a workout in Season 5. I'd rather have Kick Butt Hunter Dean for the win.
ReplyDeleteThat would have been wonderful, having enthusiastic, snarky bad-ass Dean back but that wasn't in the writers' vision, if ever they had one in S8!
ReplyDeleteI know you like him but he did give us Bitten and Goodbye Stranger.
ReplyDeleteHowever i agree he manages to keep the brothers more or less true to character.
I blame Bitten on whoever greenlighted the entire concept. Too much non-SPN at one time. They needed to have either the camera work or be brother-light or love triangle or annoying guest characters. Not all of them together. Goodbye Stranger is all Robbie's fault. I can't come up with any excuses for that mess.
ReplyDeleteI'm beginning to think that the head writer / show runner this season was a Magic 8 ball. They'd pull an idea out of a hat and then ask the 8 ball if it was a good idea.
ReplyDeleteJust read your introduction and I'm actually scared to look... but here goes
ReplyDelete17 --- I lost my shoe.
18 --- I think I'm adorable
19 --- some kind of butt thing
20 --- no vote
21 ---
22 --- I wish I couldn't feel a thing
23 --- walking encyclopedia
24 ---
25 --- b**
26 --- Can I shooter
27 --- we have guns (had to think about that one)
28 --- when someone says its haunted don't go in.
29 ---
30 --- I'm here for you. :-D
31 --- squeal like a pig kind of trouble
32 --- santa clause
What's the point of making these polls if you're constantly censoring words like bitch?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I just checked and most of the ones I REALLY like are losing. How can saving Baby be losing???
ReplyDeletePurgatory and Benny were the best things about season 8 to me..Amelia was a waste of space and time. They could have used all the flash back time of her and Sam with Sam LOOKING for Dean and more Purgatory.
ReplyDeleteYes, I liked PURE Purgatory and Feral Dean was so HOT. LOL
ReplyDeleteha, I have felt the same way, they are used in the show, but it does not bother me that they are censored.
ReplyDeleteI don't think most people have trouble understanding what the words are but as for me, I prefer to stay family friendly. I don't curse in real life so I am uncomfortable cursing in print also.
ReplyDeleteMost people here have a different sense of humor than I do and love long, emoangsty speeches so I was doomed from the start. However I think the saving Baby quote is suffering from recognition syndrome. Far more people remember fugly than one of the best metaphors the show has ever used.
ReplyDeleteI am doing better than I predicted so far in the polls but we should get an influx of people who haven't voted before due to the American holiday so who knows what today's results will be. As long as "I lost my shoe" wins, I will be okay. If the freaking Bugs quote could be pushed out, it will make my day. That is my least favorite still in the contest.
ReplyDeleteNow that would have been a concept winner. My favorite theory before the season started was that Cas disappeared because Purgatory had some kind of anti-angel shield after his first break in that thrust him back to heaven. Then Sam and Cas worked together to find a way to get Dean out while Dean spent the time slaughtering Purgatory's worst and allying with some previous characters like Lenore and Dr. Visyak. I loved the Benny idea so I was glad Carver added him but that is the only thing he did right in the beginning for me. I think he missed an awesome opportunity to show us the Sam-Cas friendship and to give Cas an actual redemption story. All of which would have been a billion times better than what he did with Amelia. The man couldn't even make her sympathetic so we wanted to hear her side of the story. Complete waste. I liked her better as a killer on Motive. At least there I felt some empathy for her situation.
ReplyDeleteWell, I voted for that quote. Despite what that episode started, the quote was a good one, and it was something I believed Sam would say to Dean and something I believe Sam believes. I don't think Sam was being insincere in his words to Dean but that's JMO. YMMV (and clearly does). Haha!
ReplyDeleteI don't think Sam was being insincere either. It's just that the whole situation was insincere and manufactured for pathos it didn't earn. The entire season up to that point was the brothers sniping at each other in the longest brother rift we had ever had. They hadn't earned a big brother moment and it came across as a little manipulative and cheap to me. Both speeches actually did - Dean's and Sam's. Then to turn the situation into a big mess by having Sam do the trials made it even more frustrating. Overall, everything about that episode leaves a bad taste in my mouth and so the context of of the speech makes it impossible for me to vote for it. Well unless it comes up against a quote I find even worse. If it ends up with the Trial and Error speech vs. the Sacrifice speech I will throw my hands up and declare the poll a wash.
ReplyDeleteI don't watch a lot of movies because of the hard core cussing. I have a parrot that I don't want to pick up those words. I don't even use a lot of the words used in SPN, but they are mild enough that I don't worry about them. I cringe when we get a poster that uses f**k. Just me..old fashioned.
ReplyDeleteDid you see Krissy on Major Crimes? Did not like her any better. ;)
ReplyDeleteNo I didn't. I only watch Major Crimes sporadically. Was it this season or last? I'll try to watch it just to give SPN people support,
ReplyDeleteI could never watch Deadwood because of it. Way too much cursing. I tend to have a narrower view of what words are acceptable in polite company than most people. In fact sometimes my students are genuinely puzzled when I ask them not to use "cr**" in the library. For me cursing is a sign of poor vocabulary first and foremost since there are so many fabulous words in the English language to use instead. I also cringe when posters use certain curse words in their posts here. In fact there are some times when I downvote a comment because of it. For me it is never appropriate to use in public.
ReplyDeleteI just finished watching Motive and YES she was much better, still like our Mensa Monster and the victim was the detective from Blood Ties. Love when this happens. The reason I did not like her on SPN is she did not have an ounce of chemistry with Sam and was a vet I would never have gone back to. She just did not have any redeeming quality that I could get my head around.
ReplyDeleteIt was the latest ep, what ever night it is on, I am way behind, had jury duty for 2 days, but it was this week.
ReplyDeleteI agree, using the vulgar words are a sign of poor vocabulary, that is why I don't understand movies that use they all the time. They add nothing to the story.
ReplyDeleteI don't watch a lot of movies these days. For one, I spend so much time on TV, but also I find most comedies to be raunchy and most dramas to be either boring or mindnumbingly bad. It's hard to find one worth the money these days and I find myself preferring to connect with characters over an extended period of time like TV. Movies don't give me enough time to explore those characters, provided I can even find one I would want to know more about.
ReplyDeleteThanks. I'll check it out. Glad you got through jury duty. Crossing my fingers but so far I have never been summoned.
ReplyDeleteShe was poorly written all the way around which i surprising because they had to have known that she was the character that would be hardest to get SPN fans to engage in. They needed to make her sympathetic and interesting right from the beginning. Instead they went in the opposite direction and never once managed to make her either. I was glad to see the Motive episode though because then I could rule her acting out as a probable cause too. It wasn't her. It was the writing staff like so much of Supernatural's problems are.
ReplyDeleteHow did I miss 2 b? Did you close it early?
ReplyDeleteNo, they always close at 7 pm central time. We won't be having a poll tonight due to the holiday and the fact that this hangout I am trying is being a huge pain. Urgh! However I will post 2C tomorrow night between 7 and 8 and then 2D on Sunday night at the same time.
ReplyDeleteIgnore my question above. Apparently, I was more sleep deprived last night than I thought. :-)
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to Andy's big poll?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure it is still happening. My guess is Adam got busy. I've tweeted him to ask the date it will start but I haven't heard back yet. I'll let you guys know when I do.
ReplyDeleteThanks, I was so disappointed last night, kept coming back to check..no poll from you. ;) You know that is what I live for...I really do need to get a life. lol
ReplyDeleteI guess I found the first 11 episodes to be more insincere and manufactured than that episode. The situation that started in the premiere (i.e., Sam not looking for Dean) was what I found to be so completely unbelievable and OOC that I was pulled from the show. There was nothing about the first 11 episodes that I found real and true to character. For me, the season didn't really start until ATGB. Everything prior to that episode was contrived and "unreal" to me, including the conflict btw Sam and Dean, so I can't say it bothered me too much when it just ended. I was fine w/that. Nothing about their conflict made much sense to me anyway. It was drama solely for the sake of drama!
ReplyDeleteI agree with all of this except for me the situation didn't magically turn around in ATGB so the brother moments still felt like 2 shapeshifters saying what they thought the audience wanted to hear.
ReplyDeleteThe deal with Andy was that we would run the contest between 3-5 days a week. Last round we had to do it consecutively because that was the only way we could get the huge first round in before the Fav. Show contest was supposed to start. Now we can get back to the former schedule.
ReplyDeleteClaps! I wish the show had done what you described. ***EVERYTHING*** associated with the "Samelia" storyline was mostly un- rewatchable dreck.
ReplyDeleteI did and uggh again. I wish the show had cast Alexia Fast (Benders, TSG) as "Krissy Chambers" and Madison M- our current "KrissySue" - as Dean's one shot daughter. Alexia is a much better actress IMO.
ReplyDelete"Bitten" I forgive because it was "experimental". There were parts of GS I really liked and parts that were horrid. but out of respect for the diverse opinions of our fandom I won't name either. *G*
ReplyDeleteIA. Crowley wasn't completely "cured" so I think he will start the season "good -ish" but will fall back into his sneaky, snarky ways. The "last look" on Mark's (Crowley's) face was deliberately - I think (HOPE) - ambiguous.
ReplyDeleteMy head canon was that he wasn't cured at all but was manipulating Sam to try to find a way out of the situation. Not likely to be true, but it makes me feel a whole lot better about one of my favorite characters.
ReplyDeleteCan't quite agree with you here.
ReplyDeleteI could have understood them "experimenting" in earlier seasons but Bitten comes over to me like a 'changeling 'episode, inserted artificially into the season of SPN.
If they had wanted to give us a POV of a monster, there were many other more interesting ways to do it. Then the hand-held camera technique is old news now! For me it's a waste of an episode that could have been used for something better.
They could have given us Sam's missing months instead.
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I didn't find anything good in GS but that's just me,
Meg's death was an unhappy moment and the bros. running off and leaving her to her fate was just cowardly. The rest wasn't to my taste either.
Just have to have different opinions on this one. :)
Now, now, I wouldn't knock that idea. It's probably as good as the method they've been using anyway!
ReplyDeleteBitten was a mistake but it was a one-shot that I can easily ignore without having consequences to any of the larger story. A swing and a miss but no harm done. Goodbye Stranger was an unmitigated disaster. Well it did have Meg pre-death which was a plus and the Lord of the Rings quote I guess. Neither of which make up for everything wrong with it starting with the fact that they killed off Meg almost as an afterthought. She deserved much, much better. Then we continue with 900 rounds of liar, liar and Sam is all woobied again. Then there is the EPIC, EPIC FAIL of Robbie Thompson commandeering the brother scene of Swan Song to create that horrid Cas mess. There is just no excuse to warp such a great brother moment by having it forever linked to that debacle.
ReplyDeleteThey went too far in Bitten and it came back to well, bite them. If they would have taken one element it probably would have been fine. Instead they made a separate show and inserted random clips of Dean and Sam. It was the episode with the biggest drop in ratings at the midpoint. Not that I blamed anyone who switched the channel.
ReplyDeleteAw you didn't like watching Sam fix an air conditioner or unclog a sink? I can't imagine why Jeremy Carver thought that would be fun. More importantly why did he think that watching Sam get yelled at for no reason by the world's least sympathetic vet would make us instantly enamored with their relationship? You've got to at least show us why Sam likes her if you want us to like her too.
ReplyDeleteExactly. It felt as if it was from a different show. Nothing to do with SPN at all.
ReplyDeleteWell people expect SPN to be about the brothers and when they see an episode like that, plus the annoying camera work, they switch to something more interesting.
What I can't understand is why the writers ever thought Bitten was a good idea in the first place? Go figure!
I will say again, my first thought when watching that junk they called Bitten was if they did not want to do 23 eps they should have just said so and saved us all a waste of time.
ReplyDeleteEven thinking of "Samelia" makes me want to invoke one of my favorite "Dean-isms" - "Gun. Mouth. Now" (6.15 TFM).
ReplyDeleteThat is a great quote - one of my favorites too. Too bad it didn't make it into this contest. One of thee days I am going to compile my list of best quotes that didn't make it. There are a ton.
ReplyDeleteI agree but Jensen and Jared got paid their usual $125,000+ for that episode too so it was a great episode for them. Big bucks plus vacation time. I would go for that too.
ReplyDeleteI'm not opposed to them testing the boundaries because sometimes they strike gold out on the edge. I mean we did get teddy bear doctors and slow dancing aliens. I'm just glad that they now have concrete proof that SPN with Dean and Sam will not fly. Here's hoping they keep that in mind when they are deciding on the screen time in season 9. I don't want to see the angel show either.
ReplyDelete"Then there is the EPIC, EPIC FAIL of Robbie Thompson commandeering the brother scene of Swan Song to create that horrid Cas mess. There is just no excuse to warp such a great brother moment by having it forever linked to that debacle."
ReplyDeleteWhistles ...and dodges D/C fans' tomatoes .... that's the set of scenes I didn't "mention".
RM's "Meg really grew on me and I'm sorry she was killed off. But at least while she didn't get a great send-off, I think that was sort of the point of her virtually "unsung death"; she died 'alone,' "heroically" to save the boys and her "unicorn" - for the boys to try to save her when both were beat up and weakened could have ended with one or both killed.
Meg had great scenes with Sam and said the line "... I laughed, I cried, I puked in my mouth a little" (referring to Samelia). I wish I could be certain that RT was (for the moment) Singer's and Carver's "mouthpiece" and that
was them (Carver, at least) back-hand acknowledging many fans' negative reactions.
I was being "kind" to Bitten; I loathe that episode and IA that "spot" would have been far better served with Sam's missing months; I hate that Carver considered them inconsequential.
ReplyDeleteI didn't? I haven't voted in every poll so I thought I missed it's pairing and it was knocked out.
ReplyDeleteGet out my head, Daphne! That's exactly what I really think, too. A full season (at least for the episodes he appears in) of "sad sack" Crowley would be really boring. If it weren't for Abaddon being dispatched in response to the priest "curing demons" I would call "the Cure" total BS.
ReplyDelete"Bitten" was the first SPN episode that gave me a bad headache from the shaky, handheld camera stuff. If it had a better sl - as Isle suggested Sam's missing months "self recorded FBS" with Sam recounting them to either Dean or a therapist depending on when the "session was recorded" mixed in with a "werewolf catch and release" (Kate) it would have much more bearable.
ReplyDeleteLOL, this perfect, it is also one of my favorite "Dean-isms"
ReplyDeleteShaky handcam is never one of my favorites. In fact just like I blame Survivor for the rise of reality TV. I blame Blair Witch Project for this nightmare of a directing choice.
ReplyDeleteEven one episode of emo Crowley in season 9 will be too much. If he goes that way, I will be rooting for Abaddon and I love Mark Sheppard.
ReplyDeleteWe had far more people nominate in the first two seasons so anything after that had a harder time getting in. If I have time I will work on a list of quotes that just missed the cut.
ReplyDeleteAt least by giving us a little more time to understand where Sam was coming from, we would have gotten a better picture of why Sam had changed so much between seasons 7 and 8. It still would not have made Sam not looking any more in character, but it might have made him seem more sympathetic.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the brothers needed to try to save Meg. She was a demon who screwed them over plenty of times and she was majorly responsible for Ellen and Jo's deaths. What I do think though is that she deserved to go out in a spectacular fashion. I did like seeing more of her before her death but it wasn't enough. Compare her death to Jo and Ellen's. There's was epic. Meg's was a footnote and part of the fandom didn't even realize she was dead. That's a no go for me when talking about a character that has been in the show for 8 years.
ReplyDeleteI loved that Meg line too. Personally I took that as Robbie Thompson saying hat he knows the fans did not like it so please stop tweeting him about it. :-)
Yes, that's where we likely differ. I greatly enjoyed ATGB. It felt that a real episode of Supernatural. The boys felt real. I liked the focus on the Winchesters. I liked the expansion of their history. It was the FIRST episode of the season that I enjoyed from start to finish.
ReplyDeleteBefore that episode aired, I was seriously considering quitting the show. You don't know this, but that was huge for me. I told my sister, and she was shocked! My family knows how much I love this show. I even got my mother and sister watching (they're more casual viewers though). I own all the seasons. So far, it's the only show I own in its entirety. I was so disappointed, disillusioned, and, frankly, bored by the first 11 episodes of S8 that I was just going to stop watching. I hated Sam's story and his characterization. I started calling him "PodSam." Dean was okay, but nothing much happened w/him in the first half. I couldn't even say I enjoyed the premiere. At least I enjoyed the first three episodes last year before it went down in flames. I was "done" by the time LARP aired.
Thankfully, ATGB aired. That episode literally renewed my faith in the series. I thought, "Okay, the show isn't dead. It can still be good." Now, my happiness was short-lived, but I enjoyed three episodes in a row (ATGB, EHH, and T&E), which was new for this season, and no longer felt like the boys were strangers.
For me, the beginning of the season is best left forgotten, which is why it never bothered me that their issues weren't properly addressed. The issues were contrived and unnecessary; I didn't feel a need to spend more time on them. I do understand that others feel differently.
To be clear, I didn't love the second half; however, I do feel the boys were written "in character" (for the most part) during the second half, and that's what's most important to me.
I completely empathize with you. Supernatural has been my longest TV obsession. I have spent by far more time, energy, money, and sheer effort on it than all other shows I've watched combined. I feel like I have bled Winchester blood in efforts to promote SPN and it has changed my life in ways no other show has come close to. I've made and lost friends with it. I have learned to do things I never thought I would in order to spend more time discussing it with other fans. The fact that I started writing again is directly because of this show.
ReplyDeleteTo leave it is actually scary for me since it has been such a huge part of my life for 8 years now. The majority of my online identity is based on the Winchesters and already I've faced fall out because on my decision to quit it. I am glad you found a reason to stay with it. For me, the only reason I continued watching this year was that I made Lilith a commitment to do the podcast. I gave up hope late winter after we came back from the hiatus and the absolute final straw was Taxi Driver. I wish Supernatural all the best of luck and for its fans I hope it sees season 11. As for me, I will watch all of the season 9 episodes over the summer hiatus next year and determine if I can stomach Jeremy Carver's vision any further. Here's hoping it isn't a complete waste of time.
I took a break and watched the episode. I thought she was decent. She did not have much of a part and you really can't do much acting when your whole dialogue consists of asking the definition of SAT vocab.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Alexia did a better job on Supernatural, but I also think the part was written better. I didn't think Madison did a bad job acting in her episode this year though. That was more the writing and I think she has grow a lot as an actor since last year's Adventures in Babysitting.
ReplyDeleteI am one of those that is not sure Meg IS dead, has that been confirmed? I was hoping for wounded. If she really is I am with you and that was very anticlimactic.
ReplyDeleteI wish so much I could be like you and forget Sam was even on the show the first half, but his character was written so badly and I can not get over it. It put a big cloud over the whole season and the only thing that could have fixed it was Sam NOT being Sam, which I truly thought was the case. All of the first half he was not my Sam and I just knew he was possessed or something else was wrong. I mean really was he hard up enough to even go out with someone like Amelia..ugh.. and NOT look for Dean which is my real sticking point.
ReplyDeleteHa, that is not all she did, but maybe seeing Krissy colored it a little for me. ;)
ReplyDeleteIt's not a matter of me forgetting that Sam was trashed for no reason. I know that. It's now canon that Sam couldn't be bothered to look for Dean for some unknown (known only to Carver) reason. I get that.
ReplyDeleteI simply didn't find any of it believable, so I'm not going to "hate" Sam for what I consider to be an error in writing and characterization. A proper story wasn't even told around the idea of Sam not looking for Dean so I can't even look at it like a "real" story. It was drama and conflict for the sake of drama and conflict.
I'm not going to dislike Sam for the rest of series b/c of Carver's mistakes. Now, you may forever hate and/or dislike Sam. That's your choice, but I refuse to let Carver's crap version of Sam ruin Sam for me.
I completely understand your position. I have a friend who also watches Supernatural. We were obsessed w/the show. We used to get together to watch the premieres, mid-season finales, and finales. And then we started chatting online (over FB) during the show. All that stopped last year.
ReplyDeleteWe continued to chat occasionally, but didn't feel it was necessary to get together to watch the mid-season finale or the finale. Last year was awful, and this year was no better. We stopped chatting altogether re: the show and didn't get together to watch any of it. My friend actually got some of her other friends hooked on the show, and they marathoned it. They love it. She told them how she and I were disillusioned w/the show and no longer enjoyed it like we once did. Since then, we've discussed the decline in quality and our overall disappointment in S8. We didn't like S7 either. We both enjoyed S6 though.
I just feel Supernatural is in a downward spiral. It is moving far from what made it unique and what the show's about. That's why I loved those three episodes I mentioned. To me, they were a return to the Supernatural of old. The focus was on the Winchesters where it needed to be. I like Misha Collins and Castiel, but I do worry about his new status. The angel parts of the show bore me. I like the actor who plays Metatron. I like Amanda Tapping. I like Misha. But for the life of me, I just couldn't bring myself to care about that angel subplot. That's the way I felt in S6 too. I just feel disconnected from the angel stuff.
I'm an old school fan who watches for the Winchesters. I like Castiel. I liked Bobby, Jo, Ellen, Rufus, Frank, Garth . . . but I don't watch for them, you know? I want the Winchesters front and center. They remain my MAIN reason for watching.
I am worried about S9 but am mostly determined to finish this show out. I have quit many a show (Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck, The Dead Zone, Sliders, etc.) but hope to finish this one to the end. It will have to get really awful for me to just stop watching. I never thought I'd come as close as I did earlier this year. Who knows? I am willing to give S9 a shot. I just feel I've been watching this long so why not give it a shot? I do understand why you (and others) are leaving. A show should be enjoyable. I found something to like in the 3 episodes I mentioned, Prometheus episode, and the various broments throughout the rest of the season. And I actually liked the last Charlie episode. I re-watched it on Wednesday when it aired so I know that's not an episode I hate. Haha.
True, but these creative were inserted into episodes that were solidly brother heavy and so were a kind of icing on the cake, but to cook up an episode where the Winchesters barely appeared is another thing altogether.
ReplyDeleteI'm interpreting your 'with' as meaning 'without'. :)
Yeah, Carver seems to be the only one who does think Sam's reasons for not looking were unimportant.
ReplyDeleteProof is in the fact that nearly everyone, critics included, were waiting for some big supernatural reveal to come out; for Amelia to be a demon / angel or something; anything to explain Sam's totally unbelievabe decision not to even try and look for Dean, but it never happenedI and Carver failed big-time there.
I am sorry that your friend and you are also disillusioned. It must be hard to stop a long-standing tradition like that. I also still watch for the Winchesters and it has been increasingly frustrating to watch the hero role be handed over to Joe Schmo guest star while i watch the Winchesters watch the action. That's not the show I signed up for. I admit that when everyone was celebrating Misha Collins' new regular (not even recurring) status, I was pretty sure I was done. I care not one jot about the angels and feel they are a major part of the show going off the rails. I too like all the actors and I wish them all the success in the world, but I hate these characters and their role in the show. Having an even bigger angel focus next season is a major dealbreaker for me. I would much rather watch the previous seasons since the Winchesters were the focus then. I loved season 7 and I always thought after surviving season 4 and 5 that I would be with Supernatural until the end. I most certainly did not think that one season could utterly ruin it for me. It is shocking to me. Thanks so much Jeremy Carver.
ReplyDeletePac-Man Fever, the last Charlie episode, is the only episode in which I have overwhelmingly positive feelings for. Take out the horrid clothing montage and I liked the entire episode. Other than that the 2 Benny episodes, EHH, LARP, and Prometheus are the closest I come to even enjoying the episodes as a whole. Almost every episode was a major disappointment. That track record isn't worth my agonizing every week. It's best to get the disappointment over with in one fell swoop next summer.
Then nobody can change anything for you. The writers are not going to pop up now and go ta da where Sam not looking for Dean is concerned as for the rest and how alot of this fandom view Sam it comes down to the fact where as Sam cannot be human Dean can and while Dean is the moral yardstick most of the fandom go by then when he cannot accept Sam being human then the fandom does not. The irony is for me that this fandom puts more humanity into Castiel than it has ever done for Sam.
ReplyDeleteCertainly the whole anti-canon view that Sam didnt look for Dean is not really that unusual has not the show pretty much used Sam for the most seasons to get the story and create situations that we view through Dean . However wanting normal is a desire and a hope not a crime nor some betrayal of Dean . But then just going to college has become some betrayal of his family so what do I know.
I practically agree with everything you say here.
ReplyDeleteI really liked ATGB too. It's my favourite episode of the season. I loved the brothers' family history being explored and them being the focus of the episode. Like you I enjoyed EHH and T&E, regardless of any meh moments there might have been because, they too were all about the brothers and because they were working together.
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As for the begining of the season, I don't care if Sam not looking is now canon. I will completely ignore it. For me Sam DID look for his brother, and what Carver wrote was nonsense; so I love Sam every bit as much as I did before.:)
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Why I am so annoyed with the not-looking and the terrible first half of the season ( and not only ) is that I associated Carver with the two wonderful episodes he wrote in the past, and I was expecting something along those lines.
I think to have had that expectation and have seen it smashed to smithereens with what he did give us makes me even more bitter towards him.
Again I agree completely.
ReplyDeleteI will NEVER dislike Sam for some cheap,stupid drama that Carver decided would be 'clever' to write.
I have come to love Sam for all the hardship and misfortune that was placed unasked on his young shoulders and no bad writing is going to make me change my opinion or love him less.
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I will say the same thing for Dean.
He too has been portrayed in an OOC manner this season but whatever crap Carver and his writers have made him spout I will always love the Dean I know he really is.
Through thick and thin the brothers have held on to their love for each other, and for me that will never change, no matter what has happened this season nor whatever other unpeasant surprises Carver has up his sleeve for season nine.
Like it or not canon is now canon. It makes no sense whatsoever but I doubt it will ever be undone. No one is saying they are going to hate or dislike Sam for the rest of the series so I think you are jumping the gun here. As a matter of fact, if most people could get over the demon blood addiction story my guess is all it will take is Carver making Sam awesome next season to turn around any residual hard feelings.
ReplyDeleteShe also asked the blond kid on a date and got shot down. Still not a huge part so I would have to see her in something with a little more meat to be able to judge better. Maybe if she is a recurring character I'll get a better sense.
ReplyDeleteWell it is Supernatural so I guess it doesn't really matter if she is dead or not. :-)
ReplyDeleteWanting normal is not a crime. It is also not the Sam of the last few seasons. This is season one Sam for absolutely no reason and it disregards all the ways Sam has changed. I am surprised that you of all people would defend how out of character Sam was even a little bit. This was not the fandom at all. This was Jeremy Carver throwing Sam under the bus.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying that people are going to hate Sam; all I'm saying is that I am going to ignore that Carver has made this canon.
ReplyDeleteTo me it is an important aspect, possiblly the thing that annoys me most in the whole series, because we got no explanation for it, and even if Carver does try to make up for it, it will always be a stain on Sam's character in the eyes of many.
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The demon blood addiction was a whole different kettle of fish. There was a logic to it even if it was unpleasant and I have no trouble with that.
Personally I am going with Sam was under Naomi's influence until PROVEN otherwise. They are going to have to actually say that Naomi had nothing to do with Sam acting out of character for me to believe it. Since that is never going to happen, I am free to go with my own theory. Win-win.
ReplyDeleteDefinitely "without" - will fix that now. There is no SPN WITHOUT Dean and Sam. I think that's exactly what they learned here. They tried to go too far out and it backfired on them. No Winchesters, no viewers is the lesson and I think it's one of the few that they actually learned this year.
ReplyDeleteNo I was definitely responding to lala2 who I think made a leap beyond what I believe rehabber was saying. I certainly understand the preference to live in your own head canon since the show's quite frankly stinks right now. I don't disagree with you that the demon blood line story had a point while "not looking" did not do anything but cause conflict for conflict's sake.
ReplyDeleteGood idea. It's as logical an explanation as any, and Naomi's not around any more to confute it! :)
ReplyDeleteI am easy and would love for Carver to fix Sam next season, but even if he does not I don't hate Sam, he was just a character that I did not like much the first of this season. Not looking for Dean and then getting bent out of shape when Dean called him on it. He just never seemed like he was very happy that Dean was even back. He just never seemed like Sam to me.
ReplyDeleteIsle, ATGB is my favorite episode of the season too! It was a really good episode, IMO, that brought the focus back where it belongs (again, IMO): on the Winchesters and the brothers. I wish more had been done w/the MOL, but it was certainly the best idea Carver had this year.
ReplyDeleteI completely understand the disappointment w/Carver. I don't keep up w/who writes what episode but when I heard he was coming and learned he wrote MS and AVSC, I also, foolishly, believed he understand the characters and the brothers' relationship and would write them better than in S7. Can you believe that? The brothers were in a better place in S7 when they were acting like co-workers than S8. Ridiculous!
I must admit that my hopes were dashed last summer when the spoilers came out that Sam wouldn't look for Dean. And once the first three episodes aired, I knew Carver was a disaster for the show. I never had the faith others did that an explanation was coming. He just rolled a bus over Sam for no reason! No one who understands Supernatural or Sam Winchester would ever write such nonsense. No one who cares about Sam Winchester would ever have Sam say he didn't bother looking b/c he didn't know where to start and had no friends to ask for help. That was such complete and utter nonsense! Sam - a man w/a wealth of knowledge re: the supernatural, a man who is driven and determined, a man who took on Hell memories to be w/his brother - would never just "accept" Dean's death and move on w/his life!
It would have helped if Carver had bothered to tell a story around Sam's decision but all we got was that lame retconned rule the boys never had. Argh! It frustrates me to even think about it.
I have no hope for S9 b/c Carver is still at the helm, and S8 showed me, at least, that nothing is sacred to him; he'll do just about anything! I wish Sera had returned. Unlike many, I enjoyed S6. S7 had a lot of problems but the characters weren't destroyed w/a bunch of OOC crap like they were this past season.
Great post!
ReplyDeleteTo me, if someone is bound and determined to hate Sam or even dislike him /c of this admittedly crappy, OOC story, then that's just what they'll do. As you said, this season is done. Carver did what he did to Sam so one has to either get over it or hate him forever. Sam didn't look for Dean. He just didn't. He gave his (inconsistent and lame IMO) reasons why, and you just have to accept it.
I don't hate Sam or Dean. If I hated one of them, I probably wouldn't be watching the show since they are the main characters.
I also agree that Sam is solely used - nowadays - as a plot point. Stuff happens to him so we can get Dean's reaction. We rarely get Sam's reaction about the stuff that happens to him. Take this season for instance, Sam's FBs were mostly about Amelia - a side character very few fans cared about. Did Sam ever speak to Amelia about Dean ON SCREEN? I don't think he did. That's a shame, but it was clear from the start that the story was not about WHY Sam didn't look for Dean but how Sam's FAILURE to look for Dean impacted and affected Dean. If it had been about Sam, we would have gotten more than "my world imploded" and "i ran." That's literally all he had to say about that! What a massive, unfunny joke!
I don't want to speak for anyone, but the impression I get from some posts I read is that some cannot "get over" Sam not looking for Dean. Some continually talk about how they don't like Sam anymore b/c of this story. I've read comments like that here and on other boards.
ReplyDeleteIs that surprising to me? No. Sam/Jared catches a lot of flak in this fandom, IMO, which is why this story shouldn't have been told. It didn't do anything to help Sam; it only hurt his character. It didn't help that the story was told very poorly, was inconsistent, and was just plain bad.
This story only gave those who already hated Sam more fuel for their hatred and made some others dislike him. They did a hatchet job on Sam this past year. I will never understand how they didn't understand how disliked this story would be! Did Carver forget he was on a show where the main characters are ALWAYS sacrificing themselves for the other?!??!!? And Sam couldn't even be bothered to investigate a little bit?!?!?!? Complete and utter nonsense.
But he isn't likely to fix Sam so what are you going to do?
ReplyDeleteI will say that from your posts, I had gotten the impression that the crappy S8 story had turned you off to Sam, which is perfectly fine. You don't have to like Sam if you don't want to like him. I still like Sam despite the crappy, OOC writing.
I do not disagree w/you that he was written very poorly and OOC in the first season. There's just nothing I can do about that. It happened.
My comments are based off my impressions of the posts I read.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, Rehabber quite often mentions how much she/he disliked Sam in the first part of the season and how she/he cannot move past the bad writing. I'm not sure how to respond to that other than how I did.
I didn't like Sam's characterization either. There are very few fans who did. That said, I don't hate/dislike Sam b/c of the bad writing. I can easily remove myself and stop suspending my disbelief when watching a tv show or a movie if I feel the characters are no longer behaving in a realistic way or in character.
That's what I did for the Sam story. It was inconsistent and vague. Dean's dead . . . no . . . he's eating tacos two states over. Okay . . . which is it? Sam is constantly asked if he looked for Dean, but if Sam thought Dean was dead, wouldn't he just answer, "No, I thought Dean was dead?" Oh no . . . Sam has to remain silent and look shady about the whole thing. What is the rule Carver made up anyway? Don't look for me if I'm dead or don't go to extremes to resurrect my dead body? Who knows? Did Carver know? It's not likely he did.
I'm sorry. I know it's canon but I can't give it much appreciation or consideration when the story is vague and badly written. It just doesn't affect me on that level b/c that would, IMO, be giving the story much more credit than it deserves. It was crappy and deserves to be forgotten, IMO.
I agree w/you too!
ReplyDeleteThat penny episode crap w/Dean blaming Sam for being soulless . . . . just more OOC nonsense.
Hahaha . . . you've reminded me that almost every episode was a major disappointment. Take TD for instance, I thought that would be good, but it was awful. Even Sacrifice sucked except for the broments (I know you didn't care for it).
ReplyDeleteYou know . .. I really liked Benny but feel he was so misused. Even though he was the best new character added to the show, I still would't purposefully watch any episode prior to ATGB. He really had no purpose other than to cause conflict. It's like the writers didn't even know who Benny was. He was just around to cause a wedge. What confused me about him was his inability to exist on Earth again? I could have sworn he had survived on his own before meeting up w/that vampire family so it was surprising how much trouble he was having.
Actually we did get Sam talking about how he lost someone too. It was not very long and definitely not adequate, but it was there.
ReplyDeleteI do remember that. I also remember the scene cutting off when Amelia asks him if he wants to talk about his brother. What was the point of that? I would have rather heard Sam talking about Dean than Amelia going on about her (not so dead) husband.
ReplyDeleteI actually would have been fine if Benny had remained a character in Purgatory. We could have stayed in Purgatory flashbacks a lot longer and Dean could have been relating to Sam how much help Benny was to him. I just think he was a great character and yes, he did survive without killing humans before he died. Apparently the writers' own canon matters very little to them too.
ReplyDeleteI didn't care for either brother at the beginning of the season. Sam acted like Dean coming back from Purgatory was a personal affront to him, like Dean came back to purposely screw his life up. Dean spent the whole time sniping and pouting like a 16 year in a snit instead of just having it all out at once from the beginning. Both of them were annoying and acting counter to their characters throughout the first half.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is I have always liked Sam, even when he was doing dumb things I understood why he was doing them. I still say I did not like him much the first part of the season, he was written very unlikeable. I put this on Carver much more than I do on the character. Jared can only work with what he is given and I am still waiting for someone to tell me one redeeming thing Sam did the first part of the season that was not forced on him by Dean making him feel bad. I don't think Sam even wanted Dean back, he was "happy" with the crappy vet, not worrying about Dean or Kevin.
ReplyDeleteThanks, I have tried to say the same thing, but you said it better.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Jo, just found this video of Jo and Dean and I loved these two together, she died way to soon.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxVfj1R5fiM&feature=em-uploademail
Let me add to your 16 year old snit, that Sam was not immune to doing this also. He used the if you don't go along with me I will leave, knowing full well this is one of Deans big fears.
ReplyDeleteYou can stop with the she/he, I am a she. ;) But since I do watch a
ReplyDeleteshow for the characters and do know the difference between the character
and the actor, you are correct in I did NOT like Sam the first part of
the season. I can only judge the character by the writing and Carver
totally messed Sam up. You are free to not care that he did not look
for Dean, but that is not the Sam I have loved for 7 years. Even when
he was doing really bad things I always understood why he was doing
them. I am still not convinced that Sam not looking is cannon, because
in my little world I am hoping that something was wrong with Sam and
just maybe it will come out next season. Hey, you can just gloss over
what was wrong with Sam, but I have hope he will be fixed. Different
strokes for different folks. ;)
I know, right? It's like the writers didn't know what they wanted Benny to be.
ReplyDeleteGiven what was shown, I also wouldn't have minded staying in Purgatory longer and keeping the brothers separated longer provided, of course, that the Amelia story was scrapped, and Sam was shown investigating Dean's disappearance and meeting new hunters. That would have worked for me.
Again, I do not disagree with you. The first part of the season, as a whole IMO, was bad.
ReplyDeleteWhere did I say I didn't care? I do care. I've been harping on the bad writing and OOC characterization since the season started. Unlike you, I can't go as far to even say I didn't like and/or hate Sam in the first half of the season because he was completely unrecognizable to me. That's why I began calling him "podSam."
ReplyDeleteBut other than complaining on the Internet,there's little I can personally do to rectify the situation. It is what it is. Plus, any change at this point would be a little late for me personally but would still be nice for the character. Sam was trashed for no reason. I'll never trust Carver or forgive him for what he did to Sam. Who knows what crappy thing he has next for Sam to do?
Ha, that would have worked for everyone and moved season 8 close to my favorite season.
ReplyDeletePodSam fits perfectly, he did not come close to being my Sam of the last 7 years.
ReplyDeleteAgreed! He was written in character, IMO, during the 2nd half.
ReplyDeleteAlmost anything would have been better than that Amelia mess.
ReplyDeleteI never saw Dean and Jo as anything romantic. Until Abandon All Hope, I always got the impression he saw her more as an annoying little sister. In fact a lot of how he is with Charlie reminds me of how he was with Jo. Still I appreciate how much time everyone takes to make these fan vids.
ReplyDeleteAt first I was excited to hear they were going to do a time jump so Dean and Sam wouldn't be separated for long but that we would still get Purgatory flashbacks so we wouldn't miss out on that story either. It seemed like the best of both worlds. I naively thought that the reunion of Dean and Sam was going to be a good thing and that the brothers would be on the same page hunting evil and saving people as brothers. I didn't realize that it meant I would be watching shapeshifters try to play Dean and Sam while we waded through the longest, most annoying, and completely pointless brother rift. I would much rather had Dean and Sam separated along the way through the midseason hiatus than what we got.
ReplyDeleteOh I think they both acted like middle school girls in a huffing, gossip fight. For me, Sam's inner 16 year old witch was much more about Benny than anything although the ultimatums were annoying too. I cannot believe this is what Jeremy Carver thought mature meant.
ReplyDeleteI didn't either, but wanted it to work in that direction and when she was dying and he kissed her on the forehead, I was willing him to give her another kiss. I just thought the two were good together.
ReplyDeleteOh, I couldn't agree more w/your every word!
ReplyDeleteLike you, I was excited to hear they wouldn't be separated at all on screen, and that we'd get a good story. I was also greatly disappointed to see what we actually got, and in retrospect, would have preferred to boys to have been separated. Again, that's provided the Amelia story would be scrapped. If we would still get the Amelia tale (told in the lame way it was), then just don't bother!