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Dexter - Episode 8.04 - Scar Tissue - Promo & Sneak Peek

15 Jul 2013

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42 comments:

  1. adduhlay15 July 2013 at 04:57

    Next week looks like we'll get some much needed insight on Vogel's motives!

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  2. kiaraA15 July 2013 at 06:23

    Can anyone understand what Deb is saying?
    Vogel is trying to write a book about Dex? Stupid! For a woman that should know all about sociopaths, she forgot rule no.1. Never ever piss off a psychopath and serial killer.
    And I read what Vogel is writing. She doesn't believe that his feelings for Deb are genuine? He killed his brother for her. His real brother, who was like him and accepted Dex for what he was. He betrayed Hannah for Deb. The one person that knew what he was and accepted it. His feelings for Deb are real. So are his feelings for his son. I already posted, that if he would feel nothing for Deb and Harry, he wouldn't care if Brian had killed her. And he wouldn't keep Harry and working so hard being a good father (he could have sent him away with Cody and Astor to their grandparents). And he totally lost it after Rita died (when he killed the guy in the restroom). Or when Lumen left. He does have feelings.
    But then again, she says he created model, so believable, that he believes it himself. It's not unusual that some people lie to themselves and to others until they believe the lie themselves. I don't know. To me it seems like Dexters feelings for Deb and Harry are real.

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  3. celine15 July 2013 at 13:34

    I think Vogel is starting to realize that she didn't create the perfect psychopath, that even with the code, Dexter was unable to fully embrace his dark side and be a killer with no conscience. He does have one and he also has feelings, her little experiment failed and that seems to piss her off. Now, will she try to manipulate Deb?

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  4. Natasha Fatale15 July 2013 at 20:21

    I think Vogel knows Dex has feelings but that doesn't help her in terms of her book or research now does it?

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  5. DarthLocke415 July 2013 at 20:39

    Additionally he wouldn't reach out to other killers either! It's what has ruined his life for the most part, because he just couldn't go in and do the deed. He had to try and make all these connections, especially after he chose to kill Brain...


    But to fair, she might be writing a book because he does feel. She didn't think it was possible and this has her really intrigued. She wants him all to herself, which might be why she's treating Deb the way she is, although, truth be told, Debra can't blame Dexter alone, as Deb is the one that chose to go the shipping yard and pulled the trigger without a back plan. By acknowledging that she bares some responsibility, she might be able to live with what she has done and begin to forgive herself and Dexter...

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  6. DarthLocke415 July 2013 at 20:41

    It might if that is what she is curious about...the one and only empathetic serial killer! Now that doesn't mean I don't think Vogal has problems, but it might be too soon to judge what her motives are and if she is at all innocent or telling the truth.

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  7. hrld15 July 2013 at 21:01

    I also cannot make out what Deb says. Did who kill himself? I think Vogel cannot yet accept that Dexter is not quite as psychopathic as she believes and seems to want. He does have feelings and the narrative wants the audience to believe he has feelings, that he's a damaged individual and not a heartless killer and monster.

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  8. kiaraA15 July 2013 at 21:16

    She believes, that he is a sociopath. Sociopaths don't have feelings. But it's clear that Dex is not a complete sociopath. Or, as I said, it could be that Vogel is right and he pretended and faked so long, that he began to believe it himself. But I don't believe that. There were more than enough situations that made clear that he does feel something.

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  9. kiaraA15 July 2013 at 21:17

    You do have a point.

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  10. Gabby15 July 2013 at 21:26

    I think she said "Did dad kill himself?" That's what I heard, and it makes sense since he did kill himself!

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  11. kiaraA15 July 2013 at 21:49

    Well, she could be writing about the only empathic sociopath (a contradiction, I know). But she doesn't believe that his feelings are real. She believes that he pretended and faked it till he started to believe it (that he loves his sister). Well, I can't really blame her. He is probably the only sociopath she meat who isn't a sociopath. And she doesn't know how far he would go to protect his sister.

    Months ago I posted, that I believe, that Dex would even kill Harry (their dad, not the baby), if he would get between Dex and Deb.

    Of course she want's Dex all to herself. He is her masterpiece. The greatest success of her career.

    Agree. Deb is blaming Dexter alone. She chose him over everything else. She just blames him, cause she is shocked, that she is capable of all she did (lying, hiding evidence, killing, …).

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  12. Evelyn Alias16 July 2013 at 14:59

    Yes, that's what she says.

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  13. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 15:09

    Well like you said, It's hard to say if Vogal believes in Dexter's emotions and/or if she is willing to "test" them, but it's also hard to say if she's disappointed about his emotions (does that mean she misdiagnosed him?) or is Dexter truly a phenomenon that she is really proud of or curious about? Does a 'mother' try and accept her son for whom he is, or does she continue to push endlessly to make him what she wants him to be (a companion)?


    And I agree. I think his bond with Deb is stronger than his bond with Harry and one reason I think that is because Deb, like him, is initially (in the beginning) innocent and thus they both suffered their losses together.

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  14. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 15:16

    I'm not sure if she is manipulating Deb yet, because part of helping one recover from PTSD is making them confront what happened. That is currently the best way to help one move on from the trauma.


    Deb wants to completely blame Dex for some of her own actions (and this has been Deb's problem through out the series--placing severe blame on other people, instead of trying to take on some of the responsibility herself --like the Chicky Hines case for instance. She does and says things without thinking it through or having a plan, because she is continuous denial about whom she really is and what she really feels...)

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  15. celine16 July 2013 at 15:19

    I think her only interest is in dexter that she doesn't want to help Deb. In her mind Dexter is perfect and since he has no conscience he can't take the blame but she can. That's why she wants to talk to her, to make her see that killing laguerta was her choice and that dexter had nothing to do with it. I also think she wants to understand their relationship better because she doesnt understand how dexter could have genuine non selfish feelings for her.

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  16. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 15:28

    He "was" perfect until she realized that he feels, but as I said above in another post, she might have already sensed this ealier in Dex's life, because she was aware of his "innate sense of justice". So even though she's surprised, I don't think we know yet if that is a good or bad thing in terms of her relationship with Dexter. -In terms of how she deems this phenomenon and/or if she will try and change Dexter or not.

    Killing Laguerta WAS deb's choice and in PTDD one has to REMEMBER their choices in order to help themselves move forward.

    There is something that happens in this next episode, something we see at the end of this clip that might prove that Vogal helped Deb after all.

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  17. celine16 July 2013 at 15:31

    I hope so because for now I see Vogal as a manipulative bitch who used dexter as an experiment. I think that she's disappointed to see that her little experiment failed, that dexter, even if he was able to kill freely, never embraced his true identity because he got attached to deb, meaning that he might not be the psychopath that she is. Not only her manipulations didn't work but she was wrong about him and I see her do anything she can to correct that.
    May I point out that Charlotte rampling(who's actually very famous in my native country) is doing the best job ever, she is by far my favorite guest star so far.

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  18. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 15:37

    I think your reaction is the obvious one to have, which is why I'm on the fence, because I think they want us to hate Vogal and make her the ultimate antagonist, but I also see it written in a way where she is a lot like Dexter and I don't think Dexter is bad person, despite what he has become.

    I had thought before season 8 started that she could have a master plan to pin all of her patients against each other to see which one survives (survival of the fittest), but she looked genuinely horrified when the phone rang and the "his and her" packages arrived, so I do think, despite her problems, that she does really need Dexter's help and that maybe her intentions aren't all bad.

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  19. celine16 July 2013 at 15:50

    I think she's very much like Harry, she's projecting her own dark desires on dexter and lives them through him the way harry did. At least that's what I thought about Harry, I thought he was pushing dexter to kill because he couldn't do it himself, that he couldn't give in to his dark passenger so he transferred it to dexter but now I think I was wrong, that what he turned dexter in killed him, that he wasn't prepared for the monster he created... What's interesting about Vogal is that I think she's actually scared of dexter.

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  20. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 16:59

    I agree and I don't ;)

    On one hand I think what you say is true, there are traces of Harry there, but at the same time, because we really don't know whom Harry Morgan was (which is why I sometimes wonder if this is all a dream about Harry through Dexter's imagination)we don't know what Harry believes in...just what he eventually couldn't.

    What I mean is with Deb we know she has had life changing events from very early years from having a brother "with allergies", to her mother dying, and to her father spending more time with her adopted brother followed by bad boy friend choices, more death, and self sabotage (attention seeking)...beyond Dexter, Deb had no real tether, which we do not know if Harry ever had one either? If so, then we could make better parallels to "why" Deb is the way Deb is, but I also feel that Harry knew himself better than Deb did, besides being a little unorthodox.

    But we also have to consider that because of Dexter, Deb does have something Harry didn't (a tether--a bond), but at the same time now that we also know that Harry is influenced by Vogal, one has to wonder why he blamed himself and not her?? It makes me wonder if it is really suicide or if someone else played a role???

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  21. celine16 July 2013 at 17:07

    Well first of all, there are inconsistencies. In past seasons we learned that Harry committed suicide after dexter killed a drug dealer(his second kill after the nurse) but this season implied that he was around long enough to see dexter kill a lot of people, so I don't know what to think anymore. We know that at times Dexter wishes that Harry had fought harder to keep him normal instead of encouraging him to kill but now I'm starting to think it was Vogal's idea's all along. I think that the writers pulled the vogal's character out of their butts and that's why you're having mixed feelings. We knew that Harry killed himself because he blamed himself for what dexter was turning into and yet now we know he wasn't responsible? That's crazy...

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  22. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 17:38

    To your former Harry comments, I do think your first theoughts are correct, because I feel that Quinn is a reflection of whom Harry Morgan was: the Good, Bad, and the Ugly...


    About the killing, according to Dexter wiki page there are 3 kills before he commits suicide -one new one in between the Nurse and Drug dealer, -so it hasn't changed that much (it might be playing to "trinity" themes)


    I disagree that Vogal is completely off the fly, because a mother figure-sudo antagonist or possible anti-hero, and somebody who might be as big of a cliche' in the same way as Dexter, is the one thing we haven't seen and be a beautiful thing to end with.


    Deb and Dex both have lacked mother figures and I think it's the perfect thing for us to explore in the final season.


    I doubt the writers will go there with Harry, but the thought crossed my mind, because Vogal is being presented in a negative way. -But another reason it crossed my mind, give that Vogal may not be The Brian Surgeon", is because this person is jealous of her interest/relationship with Dexter, as not only was it addressed in this past episode, but the jars of the cerebral cortex was wrapped "the butcher paper" in "Every Silver Lining", is another possible reason to believe that this person knows whom Dexter is.

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  23. celine16 July 2013 at 17:43

    3 killings? Well that's what we thought but now Harry made it sound like he witnessed dexter killing more and more so that doesnt add up. I do think Vogal is a mother figure for Dexter, especially since she was the one who gave birth to his dark passenger. I never thought she was the brain surgeon but It's sad to see that once again, dexter meets someone he thinks can accept him for who he is and this won't end well, he never does. I don't think he's gonna kill her but still. I'm pissed that Hannah is coming back though, I dont want her back, i dont want dexter to escape town with her and harisson so they can live their lives as serial killers, that doesn't make sense at all.

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  24. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 17:47

    It might not end well, but possibly not because Vogal is intentionally leading Dexter somewhere (Like I said, I'm not sure her story is so cut and dry), it might be just like Harry and Dexter in the sense, that she made mistakes and could not foresee the consequences of her actions, because she too cared too much and was willing to try anything to help these individuals and like so many of Dexter's connections (Trinity especially) it has now come back to haunt her...

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  25. celine16 July 2013 at 17:49

    dexter can not end well. He can't end up being happy with a woman or normal, that's just not who he is. He's been looking for that but i hope they wont go there. But again, I had this image of how I wanted the show to end but it's never gonna happen lol.

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  26. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 17:56

    I think there is potential to end it a couple of ways...


    .1. Sacrifice himself for the sake of those he loves. (but this doesn't mean that there is just "one" person to blame such as Vogal.)


    2. Although the show has taken a different route with Dex, than the novels do, what makes Dexter and enjoyable series is that there are still ridiculous elements celebrating our serial killer as a hereo, as Dexter comes with a cheaky sense of humor. If the show would end with #3 the writers would defeat their purpose of keeping that aspect of the novels alive through out the show, because it's completely nihlistic. Plus there are Hannibal references as well...Silence of the Lambs and Hannibal (films/Novel) allow Hannibal to live somewhat free and happy.


    3. Lethal injection by the state of Florida (IMO the worst possible ending)


    4. This was never about Dexter. This was about 'The trouble with Harry', as Dexter "darkly dreams" about reconciling whom his father was (a serial killer) by placing himself in his father's shoes. There are fantasy and sci-fi references along with a heavy-fate orientated universe through out which makes Dexter's life very ridiculous.

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  27. celine16 July 2013 at 17:59

    i want number 3 actually and the last image would be of dexter looking at his friends and family and innocent he killed or whose deaths he was responsible for(laguerta rita lilla even if she wasn't innocent) and we would realize that the entire show was just a giant flashback and dexter reflecting on his lif ebefore being executed. It's simple, not original but at least we'd get to see all the characters who died.

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  28. DarthLocke416 July 2013 at 18:12

    I think number one is likely sanario, because like the rest of the series it's a muddy ending, as I don't think the series was ever about black and whiteness in terms of justice or ethice, but rather the problems with being human and how our experiences, sometimes "unfairly", shape us, and ultimately the problems with the legal system, because of those human flaws (this what LaGuerta stood for---if the writers believed that Dexter deserves a humiliating exposed death or that there wasn't anything good about him, they would have never had Lageurta be a a victim, because their point was that even though she wasn't a killer, she was a bad person!)

    If he dies sacrificing himself for the greater good and the future of his family, then we know he didn't die in vein. There is still justice in Dexter's goodness, as Dexter is the by product of traumatic events and a society that doesn't know how to handle these kinds of crippling experiences.

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  29. celine16 July 2013 at 18:14

    yeah he might sacrifice himself to save Deb or something, that would be good , but he would still be a hero you know? I don't want to see any poetry or heroism in his death, if he doesnt die executed perhaps he could die at the end of the brain surgeon, he should die as he lived, as a killer, not a selfless brother and father.

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  30. kiaraA16 July 2013 at 19:24

    It's too soon to say it for certain. But I think, that if she believes that the emotions he thinks he has are an illusion, she will try to test him. Push him. To prove, that he can't love. If it turns out, that he does have feelings, she might be disappointed. Don't forget that she has a theory that sociopaths are "a gift".

    It's not just that they "suffered their losses together". They were very young, when the mother died. Dad was always working and they were in their late teens (still young) when he died. They only had each other. Both are reasons, why their bond is so strong.

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  31. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 13:38

    "It's not just that they "suffered their losses together". They were very young, when the mother died. Dad was always working and they were in their late teens (still young) when he died. They only had each other. Both are reasons, why their bond is so strong."

    These are also losses.

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  32. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 13:52

    IMO it's not fair to blame Dexter for all of his and all of society's problems and IMO that is why he is written as vigil-anti empathetic character to point out the unfairness and to try to find the good in the bad, because Dexter is not just a by product of trauma, by a by product of unbridled crime.


    Our society has continuously failed people with trauma and/or people with different neurology. I think it would be such a shame to say Dexter is killer just like everyone else. The End, when he never was like anyone else, because he did care. He does deserve a poetic ending IMO.

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  33. celine17 July 2013 at 13:59

    Fair enough. He does care and he does have a sense of justice but his sense of justice was only brought by Harry's code, not because he has morals. It was harry's discipline that prevented him to become a cold blooded killer who would have kill anyone. I don't know where his love for his son and deb comes from though, since Harry always taught him to not involve deb in his life...

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  34. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 14:21

    No, If you listen to Vogal the reason Harry's code worked (for a time) is because Dexter already had an "innate sense of justice" (innate means natural or originating from the mind--some take that to a spiritual level). -Plus the ability to stray from the code also suggested that he wasn't just following the code blindly. He challenged Harry (dark passenger) and the code on many occasions, because he did care about what he was doing.

    The love they feel for each other comes from losses they went through as kids. Deb clung to Dexter, despite what Harry told her and Dexter reached out to her too. Harry could not keep them from each other and really this another facet of what the show is about.

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  35. celine17 July 2013 at 14:23

    having a sense of justice doesn't mean you have human emotions and it's true he did challenge Harry many times because he added his own rules to the code, he doesnt necessarily follow it blindly anymore but still, remember the flash backs when dexter was a teenager, he was pretty out of control, without the code I doubt he would have showed the same morals.

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  36. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 14:33

    Yes, but he didn't kill people yet. He killed animals, animals such as the neighbor's dog that was preventing his step mother with cancer from sleeping.

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  37. celine17 July 2013 at 14:34

    Not step mother, foster mother and yes but let's face it, he didn't kill her only because it was bothering her but because he had the need. Harry found other dogs dead bodies afterwards right? It was just an excuse.

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  38. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 14:52

    Yes. Foster mother. Sorry.

    Two birds with one stone. He didn't kill the dog for no reason.

    He had the need to kill, but he also had a need to kill for a reason. Children and teens need guidence whether they're killers or not (in fact reasoning doesn't fully develop until one's 20's) -But again he could have just learned the code and be done with it, but no, Brian tempted him, but used the code as an excuse to save Debra, but truth be told he no longer has that excuse (she has killed twice now), because the truth is, he always felt he should protect her, code or not.

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  39. celine17 July 2013 at 14:54

    you know I still don't get how she diagnosed him as a psychopath, I mean he doesn't even fit the three criterias(you know the well known triad)...and most importantly they're not supposed to be diagnosed until they're at least 18...

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  40. DarthLocke417 July 2013 at 17:39

    Yaeh, that's good point! I'm not sure how old the age requirement-law is? Perhaps it wasn't in effect in 1983? -But children can be institutionalized. But I agree, that it's still important to question Vogal's motives and/or actual methodology. -Clearly she has done some things wrong, because her patients are still killers, but I'm just on the fence in terms if her intentions, despite being dangerious/wrong, were ill intentions.

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  41. celine17 July 2013 at 17:43

    If you're referring to the age thing, it's not a law, it's just that our brain aren't fully formed until we're adults and our emotions not set yet if you know what I mean, so basically saying that a 10 year old child is a psychopath is ridiculous because not only his brain is still developing but also because aren't social skills aren't even developed yet. And about vogal, her goal was never to keep her patients from kiling it was the opposite, she wants them to embrace who they are because she thinks they're perfect.

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  42. lala222 July 2013 at 02:55

    O.M.G.


    I think Dexter may be done w/Deb after this!

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