The Season 2 Premiere of Arrow will be called "City of Heroes".
This episode will see the introduction of Adam Donner, the new ADA and Laurel's new boss.
Source: SpoilerTV
This episode will see the introduction of Adam Donner, the new ADA and Laurel's new boss.
Source: SpoilerTV
OMG,it certainly going to go down like this
ReplyDeleteall people in the glades are gonna have someone to blame and it is obviously going to be the vigilante.
i think oli and laurel will stil be broken up.
So Laurel is working for the government now? Didn't see that one coming. I figured she'd be representing the people of the Glades in one heck of a civil suit against Queen Consolidated. Love the premiere title by the way. Hopefully it won't change.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if this was discussed before, but any chance, Sara Lance will end up as Black Canary in season 2 or 3? Because, her name was mentioned more than a few times and her death was not clearly confirmed. If I am not wrong, I heard Laurel saying that her sister owns a black canary.
ReplyDeleteI would love to have Sara come back as long as she is a kick butt heroine. Black Canary fits that. It would also mean they could kill off Laurel, which I am rooting for if they don't drastically improve her role. As for what they will do, who knows but that theory has been tossed around a bit.
ReplyDeleteI don't know if Laurel will be against the Queens. Somebody who read the post season comics said Laurel was worried about Moira and what would happen to her there.
ReplyDeleteI heard somewhere that Laurel is going to have a lot of guilt over Tommy's death. I'm pretty sure that will put a stop to anything significant happening between Oliver and Laurel for some time. But I do hope they get a lot more scenes together. If the writers want me to believe they're a viable couple then they need to start building up that chemistry.
ReplyDeleteI'm still and Olicity shipper, but a little competition wouldn't hurt.
I am interested in seeing the relationship between Thea and Ollie in the premiere, because if they stick to the comics i am pretty sure Oliver went away all summer and left Thea alone.
ReplyDeleteIf did that, I can't see his relationship with Thea being close to good at all. I mean, if your brother and only remaining family member (besides your imprisoned mother) left you when you needed him the most, wouldn't you hate him? I would.
ReplyDeleteLaurel and Oliver scenes were some of the worst in the season. They killed the momentum and generally had one or both of them whining. If they are going to have scenes together I would like them to be part of the ongoing plot and not side trips that feel forced on me and the show. They need to stick with action this season because that's what they excel at.
ReplyDeleteEgads! That's horrible. I love the brother-sister connection in the show and that would not help anything.
ReplyDeleteOliver didn't leave to hurt her but because he thought everyone were better of without him. Hating him won't help him heal.
ReplyDeleteWell seems like Laurel is stepping up. :)
ReplyDeletemake the boss old, as should be, and aka no romance between Laurel, and if they don't want Laurel with Oliver atm, because of guilt or whatever reason, that's fine to, but have some communication between them, each if not every other episode over lunch , breakfast, or something non romantic. which will build up trust and chemistry>?
ReplyDeleteIsn't "City of Heroes" a now defunct online game?
ReplyDeleteI'm not that surprised about the new job. Her switching to the other side of the law will probably bond her closer to her father and organically create more opportunities for interactions with The Hood.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I'm sure Thea has enough abandonment issues already. This also seems like a bit of a backslide in Oliver's character development.
ReplyDeleteI can't completely agree with you on this. I'd say that Oliver / Laurel scenes in season one were hit-and-miss. Some were great and worked really well and others stuck out like a sore thumb.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the "stick with action" goes, I don't believe it's a good idea to mess with the mix. Too much action sacrifices character and character development and action-heavy shows that cease to be character driven get old really fast.
If he indeed did leave, I'm sure it wasn't with the intention of hurting her, but how can it not hurt her? She made it clear time and again during the season that she felt abandoned but both her mother and Ollie, onece he came back, because he didn't really come back. I'm not hating on him, I'm just seeing things from Theas point of view, that's all.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, you can like Oliver without thinking everything he does is okay and making excuses for every douchey thing he does. If Oliver left Thea alone, it will be even worse at this juncture because I am sure that half the city blames the Queen's for what happened. With Moira in jail and Oliver gone, that puts all the hostility on Thea. Thea's tough but no one deserves that. I'm hoping that this idea that Oliver left won't come to fruition or that if he did, he took Thea with him. The latter would make a whole lot of sense to me. It's hard to think that he would abandon her after such a big crisis.
ReplyDeleteTrue, he has gotten better about letting Thea in and he's been more committed to being there. I'm hoping if he did leave, he took Thea with him. I can't see Oliver leaving Thea to bear the brunt of their family's sins alone and it will be hard to reconcile it if he did.
ReplyDeleteI agree that you can't have all action and no character development but when they stop the action to have a scene where Laurel confronts Oliver about her insecurities in the middle of a crisis like they did in the finale, that's is a big momentum-suck and does Laurel no favors. Sadly, the majority of Laurel's characterization last year was defined by her relationship with Oliver, Tommy, or Quentin. She was a hypocritical daughter and the middle leg of a love triangle. That is not a character I want to see more of. They need to completely revamp her character this season so she is interesting in her own right and not simply reacting to others. Until then, I would rather she stay off screen so we can spend more time with more interesting characters like Diggle and Felicity. I most certainly don't want her entire arc to be mourning Tommy and feeling guilty and torn about Oliver. That keeps the freaking, irritating love triangle in play only with Ghost Tommy. If I have to sit through that emoangsty junk again, I better get real Tommy to make it bearable.
ReplyDeleteI'd say the people in the Glades will be more likely to blame the rich people of Star City. That could lead to a very interesting story about class warfare but I doubt they will go that route.
ReplyDeleteFrom a plot sense, yes it opens a lot of other possibilities. I just don't think it makes sense from a character sense. Laurel spends a lot of time talking about fighting for the little person and jumping ship to the other side after such a major catastrophe is weird.
ReplyDeleteITA. I'm finding it hard to come to terms that the Ollie we know, the one that would do anything for his friends and family, would just leave his baby sister in a moment like this. I mean, pre-series Ollie maybe, he was a selfcentered douche, but not our Ollie.
ReplyDeleteWell, I think that the writers will give half a season of ghostTommy/Laurel/Ollie triangle and then they'l switch to ADA/Laurel/Ollie. Unfortunately I fear, they may not build Laurel's character apart from Oliver, I mean, it's the CW, and they sure love their love triangles. We can always hope though that they will come to their senses and give us awesome-buttkicking-black canary Laurel. I'm hoping, that's what Katie's slightly lighter hair means.
ReplyDeleteReplacing one dreaded love triangle with another is even worse. In this scenario I don't even get Tommy. I feel like the CW is trying to turn around its image and one of the best ways to do that would be NO new love triangles on any show. They always suck and divide fandoms and make my eyes hurt from so much rolling.
ReplyDeleteSince the qualifying phrase here is "if they stick to the comics" I'm not too worried about this possibility. Besides, if it's one thing Arrow doesn't like doing it's pigeonholing themselves into rehashing the comics.
ReplyDeleteIf there is a pouty, woe-is-me Oliver development over the summer, I'm crossing my fingers that Oliver grows back his island beard out of bereavement, like Jeremiah on Royal Pains. That would be good for a laugh. :)
"I agree that you can't have all action and no character development but
ReplyDeletewhen they stop the action to have a scene where Laurel confronts Oliver
about her insecurities in the middle of a crisis like they did in the
finale, that's is a big momentum-suck and does Laurel no favors."
I agree that was poorly timed but that's a plotting problem not a problem with the narrative.
"Sadly, the majority of Laurel's characterization last year was defined by her relationship with Oliver, Tommy, or Quentin."
This I agree with. As a general rule, I don't mind Laurel's scenes with anyone but I am frustrated that her character and character development is so dependent on these people. It would do her character a lot of good to be more emotionally and physically self-sufficient.
It's the cause of the major catastrophe that helps it make sense, IMO. After what happened to Tommy and why he was put in that position, I can definitely see Laurel switching her focus from helping individuals one at a time to the lager focus of putting big criminals away. Instead of treating the symptoms she's going after the disease. This is Laurel getting one step closer to becoming her comic book alter-ego.
ReplyDeleteHa! The time off really did Jeremiah good. He was awesome int he first couple episodes.
ReplyDeleteIf he becomes "pouty, woe-is-me" Oliver, I'm crossing my fingers that Dark Archer arises from the dead, The Huntress rides back into town, Felicity gets some Shado fighting skills, and Diggle lures Oliver into a trap where all of them combined kick his butt back to the island where Shado and Slade can continue working him over until he regains some sense.
Yes, I got that same impression with their choices last year, but so many flop, that I fear they'll go back to their teen angst driven shows. Sure Arrow was a hit and BatB wasn't a flop, but it wasn't by any means a hit with those ciclotimic ratings. I had high hope for Cult, but it was too ambitious for this network, at least at such an early stage of it's "evolution". And even though some of this years picks got me exited (The 100 and The Tomorrow People), the fact that Starcrossed was also picked up, haves me fearing it will go back to it's old self in no time. I hope, I hope I'm wrong, but truth is peopple don't tune into this network for serious show, they just don't.
ReplyDeleteAnd regarding love triangles, when well handled, they can lead to great character development, and in my opinión, this one was pretty well handled up until around Tommy found out about the Hood, it went downward from there. The problem with this particular love triangle, isn't the triangle itself, but the fact that almost Laurel's complete storyline was related to it. Had the triangle been in the background instead of being so story centric, it wouldn't have been such a bother, it may even have been usefull, but for that to happen, every character should have had a storyline of it's own.
Hmm, I can go with that. Of course she is more likely to end up prosecuting former clients than taking out the real problems. Maybe that's what gets her so frustrated that she goes vigilante herself.
ReplyDeleteYes! 1000 times yes. I'm all for dead Tommy haunting Oliver just so he can make wisecracks about his jackass behavior.
ReplyDeleteTommy's death and losing to Malcolm made him backslide. He still has severe trauma from his time on the island and now he lets it consume him.
ReplyDeleteI don't see the CW going back to a Gossip Girl / 90210 target ever again. I've seen the pilot of Starcrossed and it didn't remind me of that at all. In fact, there is a good chance that it won't do well in the ratings because it is too serious. They have a real chance to explore the treatment of minorities and prejudice with its premise and I'm not sure that will fly well with the CW audience. Plus the fact that it is midseason, which the CW has had NO success with.
ReplyDeleteI have yet to see a love triangle that is even remotely interesting. I never understood why anyone would be interested in someone who didn't have enough backbone and commitment to make a choice and stick with it. Wishy washy characters who boo hoo their way between 2 people, usually in a passive aggressive manner, get zero respect from me. The only thing I thought about this love triangle at any step was that Tommy was by far too good for either of them.
I do agree that every character needs to have their own personality and arc that is separate from their relationship to the other characters so that they are not simply defined by that relationship. It is especially important if that person is supposed to be the second biggest character.
The comics discussed here are those written by Arrow writers that are released every week along with the tv episodes.
ReplyDeleteI see it as a narrative problem because it didn't just happen in the finale. As for her scenes, I think Laurel and Quentin were most of the time worse than Laurel and Oliver. Although there were those times when the father-daughter scenes rocked, so I hope they make the most of those two characters as they were both wasted. Here's hoping that the disaster has brought the two together and leads to less manipulation, hypocrisy, and tantrums on both sides.
ReplyDeleteLuckily she has Roy and I hope Walter comes back to be with her. I also wonder if Thea will go to college this year.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the manipulation or the hypocrisy as long as the characters don't deny it or pretend that it doesn't exist. Exploring personal relationships where no one ever does anything wrong is dull to me.
ReplyDeleteAnything to get Colin Donnell and some humor back on my screen!
ReplyDeleteIf that's going to be the starting point of the new season then I think it's a bad creative choice.
ReplyDeleteHe's already done plenty of backsliding throughout season one. This is overkill. It's about time he start to learn some productive coping skills and to stop pretending he's still on that island. His actions and his behavior don't just affect him anymore.
ReplyDeleteAmen! If I could upvote this a few dozen more times I would. We all know that he's had a hard life. Now's the time to move forward.
ReplyDeleteThe writers have done their due diligence and realistically showed the effects of what being on that island would do to someone like Oliver. Backsliding included. Now it's time to show some permanent emotional growth. Let's face it. If Oliver can be fatally shot by his mother and be kicking someone's ass the following week, they can finally start to have Oliver conquering his island ordeal after being back in civilization for a year.
ReplyDeleteLove triangles are meant to be there to keep the angst. Personally, I think there're a gazillion better way of doing in that to a couple, but love triangles are and have always been writers favourite plot device, even when the public seems to feel differently.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're obviously right, Laurel being the female lead, should've had been treated differently. I am a Lauliver/ Laurel fan, but I can't blame most of the fandom for not liking her, they're completely justified, and we only have the writers to blame for it. Poor character developmente and weak and almost nonexistent story arcs for her are the reason why she's had such a bad public reception. That, and the fact that her acting wasn't very consistent throughout the season. But that could've been overlooked with decent stories and writing.
I don't know, I'm just hoping they fastforward to the Black Canary plot sooner rather than later.
Luckily it seems like his last backsliding and I think it will be Felicity that would bring him back.
ReplyDeleteso excited for the show to come back, loved the finale
ReplyDeleteI hope you're right on both counts.
ReplyDeleteI 'ship no one except Michael and Fiona on Burn Notice and the Burkes on White Collar, so I have no horse in this race. For me, I don't care what is end game or not - relationship or Black Canary wise. I just want a good story that keeps moving forward and doesn't stall every time a character gets on screen. At this point they need to make Laurel a strong character in her own right or kill her off. She doesn't even have to become a superhero for me as long as she stops being a buzz kill. The writers need to concentrate on improving her character as priority #1 and not by tons of emoangsting over Tommy's death.
ReplyDeleteMy problem with them is that they both came off as spoiled children screaming at the other for something they just did in the last episode or so too. Adults throwing temper tantrums does not make for good entertainment for me. I already work with children all day.
ReplyDeleteAh. Coming from that perspective, I can see where that would lack entertainment value for you. Hopefully, as Laurel and Quentin's relationship continues to grow, that behavior will become less frequent.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, I love Peter and Elizabeth too.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, it looks to me that they are going the emoangst way, at least for the first few episodes. I know some peopel felt that the show came to a halt evreytime she was on screen, and even though a few of he scenes killed the momentum, I don't think it was carácter relatad, but more like bad timing from the writers.
That aside, I think this new carrer path may be their way of trying to build her up. I just hope they don't try to turn her into Rachel Dawes, she wasn't my favourite part of the batman movies.
To be honest, I am far more concerned about Laurel's relationship with her dad than I am with Oliver and her. If they can make the father-daughter bond more palatable and show that they respect each other even though they come from totally different points of view, I will be good. They don't have to give in to each other and they certainly don't have to agree but they do have to be adults about it. If that happens, I can always fast forward Oliver and Laurel's relationship woes in the rewatch and probably like Laurel the better for it.
ReplyDeleteI don't want her to ignore Tommy's death because that wouldn't make sense. However she will be several months into the grieving process so I am hoping that we don't rehash the same conversation over and over again. I also hope we don't get bipolar Laurel, conflicted on how to react. I think you are right though and the main part of her character will be about emoangsting for the first half. I don't think that will do her much favors either because then it will still be all about her character in relation to another even if that character's dead.
ReplyDeleteWhat I am hoping most is that the change in career and dealing with the disaster aftermath will bring her closer to her dad with them coming to an understanding with each other. I want them to be able to have a professional, adult relationship and start building their bond on respect even when they don't agree.
I think Laurel's switch to the DA's office will be a big step in getting father and daughter on the same page. At the very least, it's an obvious bonding opportunity.
ReplyDeleteIf Oliver's mother goes to prison for a long time, perhaps Oliver can live with it but perhaps because of what she has done to the Glades, she might be facing a death sentence/execution.
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