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Sam’s Arc
In The Great Escapist, Sam talked about how didn’t feel worthy as a child and thinks it may be because of the demon blood in him. The big question this season has been why didn’t Sam look for Dean. While we know the superficial answers (he didn’t know where to look, he believed Dean was probably dead, he didn’t have any resources), what’s been missing is the “why” in why Sam chose what he chose. He could have looked at all of those issues (not knowing where to look, etc.) and chosen a different path. Instead he chose a very non-Winchester approach. Could the answer be in Sam’s comment that he never felt worthy? The writers may be drawing a connection between Sam’s feelings of low self-worth with his response, and if I’m right, we may see more of this in the next two episodes.It makes some sense. Sam has had really bad luck with big choices he has made in the past, and Crowley could have played on Sam’s doubt in himself to convince Sam to back off. It would also work with the question of why Sam never tried to explain his actions to Dean. How do you explain something like that? In looking back at the way this storyline was presented at the beginning of season, it feels a little like retcon, but if this helps up move forward and gives us a credible answer consistent with Sam’s past, the judges will accept it. [OK, maybe not the judges, since this is the Supernatural audience we’re talking about, but this judge will accept it.]
One of the lingering questions around Sam’s series-long arc has been how much of destiny and the demon-blood powers was physical and how much was psychological. Were Sam’s powers really dependent on drinking extra demon blood, or was the demon blood a psychological crutch that allowed him to accept something internal that was repugnant to him and his family? Ruby made comments in Lucifer Rising that Sam had it in him all of the time. I interpreted that as Sam talking about his choices, or destiny, to get to the point where he would free Lucifer. But maybe she was talking about more than that. So what would a Sam free of demon blood look like? Would it physically even make a difference, because despite Azazel’s, Ruby’s, and Lucifer’s attempts, Sam always remained a good person? But even if it’s not really physical, the lifting of this curse off Sam’s psyche could free him up to truly embrace life for the first time.
Dean’s Arc
Dean started this season back from Purgatory, feeling a disconnect between himself and family, as well as the victims he and Sam would come upon in their hunts. He missed the purity of Purgatory where there weren’t difficult choices. He wasn’t eating, and a connection was drawn between food and choices as he stared at a vending machine. Food has always been associated with Dean – his pie and comfort food are connected to memories of his mother.Dean is now close to Sam again, he’s cooking up a storm, and Metatron in the previous episode addressed specifically Dean about choices. He told Dean that this is all about choice. While choice has been an integral theme in the show for a while, and likely all of the characters will have some choices to make, my money is on Dean having an especially big and difficult choice coming up. Agree or disagree? Any thoughts on what choice Dean might be facing?
Cas’s Arc
There’s been speculation for a while that Cas’s arc might lead to him cutting off his grace and committing to becoming human. What has been missing up until now was the motivation for Cas giving up his powers. We now know that angels are subject to being programmed and manipulated by other angels. Whereas humans have free will, Cas has been unable to fight against Naomi’s mind-control when he’s not touching the tablet. Now that Crowley has taken the angel tablet away, Cas is once again subject to Naomi’s manipulation, and he could be used as a weapon against Sam and Dean, as well as humanity. If he becomes human, presumably her power to control him would end.On a side note, I found her comments that Cas never did what he was supposed to do and can’t even die right to be funny. With programmable angels, does that make Cas a virus? Is this storyline reminding anyone else of The Matrix? My memory of Matrix mythology is a little rusty, but would this make Cas Neo or the Oracle?



Maybe curing a demon means curing Sam of his demon blood. I hope the sacrifice is not Sam or Dean's life or soul again. That would be redundant. I think the sacrifice will be either Cas being an angel or Kevin's life.
ReplyDeletethats what I was totally thinking! I had a feeling the trials were starting to cure him of the demon blood
ReplyDeleteSam's memories - that's what could be sacrificed, no?
ReplyDeleteIf they did back out at this point, I wonder what would happen to Sam. At the least he'd lose his shot of being cleansed of the demon blood. Could his body recover with the changes it has already undergone?
ReplyDeleteMy hopes on what WON'T happen:
ReplyDelete- Crowley/Dean/Sam/Cas die (been there, done that)
- The angel tablet mentions how to close heaven - for good (I don't like the idea of SN without heaven or hell, for that matter)
- They're not going to mention why Sam didn't look for Dean (we need answers & this is not season 9 material)
- Sam suffers so much that he's benched for the rest of season 9, so Dean can go out fighting with Cas.
... I'm sure there's more.
I'm with you on 1, 3, and 4. While I'd agree with #2 if I thought SPN had longer than 2 more years left, closing off all the sources to the supernatural feels like a fitting end to the series.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a big fan of amnesia plots, but I do think it will be something that has a personal,emotional value, rather than the threat of death again. We know Dean, Sam, and Cas won't stay dead long, so there's no threat there.
ReplyDeleteBut Sam's already being purified by the trials. Each trial has had Sam do something, not wait around for something to finish. Plus Sam's not a demon. He has demon blood in him, but that does not qualify him as a demon.
ReplyDeleteIn less you mean once they cure a demon Sam will be cured, which Iikely will happen.
I'm really curious what happens if the gates are closed. If the writers want to wrap the story well they won't have souls blocked out and stuck on Earth. That would be more problematic than having the gates open.
ReplyDeleteI think that there has been some pretty big hints that closing the Gate to Hell will have some pretty bad consequences. (I am guessing "bad" spirits will have no where to go.) So, it isn't hard to assume that closing the Gates to Heaven will also have some bad consequences.
ReplyDeleteSPN has kinda already been there, done that when Death locked up Sam's memories. Not completely throwing out the idea, but do you think that they will do that again? (To be fair, they have repeated some themes like are all monsters bad, and killing the boys...)
ReplyDeleteI completely agree. I have been waiting all season to find out and I hope that they answer it. He still really hasn't given anyone (Bobby, Dean, Charlie) a clear black and white answer. He just kinda shuts up about it and they say excuses. But there seems to be quite a lot of stuff that needs to happen in the next two episodes. I really hope that this, the myth arc, and other characters are given justice and not just rushed through.
ReplyDeleteAs for who was watching him leave? I don't think it was John (though it would be awesome to see him come back) and if it was Don that sounds kinda stalker-ish, maybe Crowley, but not sure. Could be someone else to.
and now a really awful idea crossed my mind that the boys might lose the memory of being brothers.NOOOOOO.GO AWAY THOUGHT.GO AWAY!!! :'O
ReplyDeleteexactly all he said were bunch of excuses that didn't even make any sense I had an idea that the man who was watching him was Metatron and Sam made a deal with him to save dean and instead he take over the trials but since Metatron hasn't heard of freaking Winchesters so my idea isn't possible
ReplyDeleteWhat about another angel like Naomi?
ReplyDeleteI thought "It's a Terrible Life" had some amusing moments with the brothers working together not realizing their history. But you are right, I wouldn't want that for an entire season.
ReplyDeleteyeah that's was pretty amusing and I liked it but I am happy it was only for one episode...!It will hurt like a b!tch to see them apart like that...Not remembering their own brother???What they mean to each other???I just really really don't want to see that :(
ReplyDeleteyeah its possible but I hate Naomi and I don't like her to be involve in Sam's deal Metatron was perfect for this idea :( he is a scriber of God and I think he is more powerful than Naomi(i think)
ReplyDeleteI agree with your post; definitely one of Dean's most important decisions as the season finale approaches will be whether it's worth it to close Hell off and risk Sam getting worse rather than better because they (Sam+Dean or just Dean) made the choice not to close Hell. The finale synopsis suggests the boys have to weigh the costs (what happens to world/it could create unanticipated havoc on earth) against the benefits (Sam being purified, only earthbound demons to possibly still be a problem).
ReplyDeleteI agree with Chris unless making the conscious choice not to close Hell (finish the Trials) also heals Sam. But SPN rarely presents such as easy solution as that. I think the Gates will be closely (possibly by accident) and then reopened somehow in the future. In my POV the show has made Sam make some fandom hating choices this season (in the early part of S8) and I can't imagine Sam ***choosing to completely cleansed of DB*** if he's fully aware that the earth will be infested by "evil xyz" as a result of his purification.
Carver/Singer/Edlund and the other writers of post 8.12 episodes ***might have*** attempted to undo some damage to Sam's character as a result of Sam's not giving a very straight answer to "why he didn't look" (Carver feels Sam explained himself but many online fans still feel Sam's reasons are very weak) and they (Carver, et al) seem to be trying (BE's 8.21) to say "Sam's not the same DB-addled Sam who made destructive choices for the 'right reasons'." IMO, for Sam to make the "informed" choice (meaning he knows something bad will happen to the world but may not know what) of purifying himself over everything else no matter how bad the outcome for everyone else is, is worse for Sam's characterization than DB-Junky Sam behavior.
Great write-up, chris!
ReplyDeleteI think that somehow, the sacrifice will involve either Dean or Cas, trying to save Sam. I really hope nothing happen to them!
ReplyDeleteI took what Sam said about not looking for Dean at face value. He said with Dean disappearing, it was like his world came crashing down around him and he ran. That makes sense to me. That without Dean there, everything was just too much to deal with, after everything he had already been through. Losing Dean again was his breaking point. It actually bothers me quite a bit that people continue to criticize Sam for not looking for Dean. He's human, not an unstoppable hunting machine.
ReplyDeleteI think the choice that Metatron was talking to Dean about will turn out to be the sacrifice that finale title makes reference to. That they'll have to choose between closing the gates of Hell, and sacrificing themselves/friends/family again. And maybe this time, they'll decide that it's not up to them to sacrifice everything? That they'll choose the lives of the people they care about over getting the job done, and let things go on as they always have?
Something super-dramatic is going to happen to Cas, obviously. So far, I've just been enjoying how much attention he and the angels have gotten this season. I love the idea that doubts and rebellion aren't a new thing to Castiel, that he's had similar inner struggles before (though maybe he hasn't followed them through to the same extent), and then been "fixed", only to start over again. I love looking back on the park bench scene in 4x07, when he's confessing his doubts and asking Dean to keep them secret, knowing now that he's had those doubts before, and Cas himself is the one they've been kept secret from. I love that having these doubts and wanting to choose his own path are something different and special about Cas himself, not something he learned directly from Dean, though Dean helped bring it out in him this time around. I don't really have any speculation here. I just love everything to do with Cas and the angels, and I hope the finale lives up to the buildup.
I agree that Crowley will be the demon that they try to cure. Carver said in an interview that something major is going to change for Crowley, and this sounds like it.
I actually think that's a really good idea. It's something with emotional value that's not ~death~. And of course it wouldn't last, but it would be interesting and shake things up for a little while.
ReplyDeleteHe's said why didn't look for Dean. He lost Dean, and "it felt like my world imploded, and came raining down on me. And I ran." Sam is human, he has a breaking point, and losing Dean AGAIN was his. Why are people so unsympathetic when it comes to Sam? Hasn't anyone else ever felt like they were under too much stress to deal with anything?
ReplyDeleteYou've got a solid point there. Of course, Sam is human and has a breaking point. But as seen before his breaking point involves self-destruction and doing everthing to make sure there's nothing else left to be done to save his brother. I dunno, it just sounds so unSam like to me that he would just lay down the axe and hit a dog and built a life. Even though I do wish that for him. He deserves it most of all.
ReplyDeleteIf you've read any of my posts, you know I'm not a Sam blamer. I think the scenario you describe makes perfect sense for a lot of people, but it doesn't ring true to me for Sam. It's not that I don't think Sam is not capable of weakness, or that he couldn't break. It's that I think people have certain mechanisms of dealing with stress that don't suddenly change. For me I stop eating. My stomach tightens up into a little knot and I can't eat anything large again without making myself sick until I'm feeling more relaxed. If I'm going through a prolonged period of unhappiness or stress I'll lose a lot of weight. Other people binge eat. Sam obsesses. He might have reached the point where he felt he couldn't deal with it, but he wouldn't have slept until he had some closure. I'm not judging here. The story just doesn't feel right to me, so I need for them to elaborate a little more.
ReplyDeleteI just feel like it was out of character. And I do feel sympathetic - its been a hard few years on Sam (and Dean), taking a break is justifiable. But I don't think that the writers really explained that way --- every time I watch the scene with Dean and Sam meeting again in the first episode or when Sam is talking to Bobby in Purgatory, I feel like the writers are hiding something.
ReplyDeleteWe have been told for 7 years that there is NOTHING they will not do for each other and for Sam to not even have looked is just not Sam. Did not have to save him, but he would have looked.
ReplyDeleteWell I would also go alone with your theory on why Sam did not look. At this point any port in a storm, as they say, would be a lifeline for this season. Ha, storm lifeline..I like those. lol
ReplyDeleteI think Dean is going to decide NOT to close Hell..what would happen to all the souls that should be there if it is closed. Would they just wonder around earth making trouble?
I am just happy Misha will be back next season and really don't care what he ends up doing. Talk about chemistry..those 3 guys have it in spades and for me he will be a welcome addition back.
Crowley cured?? That might be interesting.
I think the idea of Sam needing to be pure is psychological - it's something he's trying to deal with and understand. I don't think the trials are physically "purifying" him of the blood because I don't think the demon blood has had any influence on him or his abilities since he got back from Hell. Being purified of it would have no meaning except on a psychological level. I hope I'm right because it would be a shame if the writing tried to claim that a physical characteristic that you have no control over could ever make you "unpure". That's the basic principle of racism, and I think the show's better than that. The only people that have ever really argued that Sam is inherently unpure are the angels and the demons. And they're all massive bigots. So I don't think that's what the trials are about. Maybe Sam will "feel" purer from having done it, but I don't think that's what the trials were designed for.
ReplyDeleteI think there's going to be something unexpected coming up here, and I don't think it will be to do with memories or with Sam, Dean or Cas winding up dead - because we know they're all signed on for another season. Where would be the suspense? It is either in some way going to profoundly impact the relationship and lives of the brothers - which I also doubt because the fans like the format WAY too much for the writers to be brave enough to mess with it, or it's going to be to do with this mystery character who's returning.
ReplyDeleteI think we should just make our peace with not getting new answers about Sam not looking for Dean. Jeremy Carver has been fairly clear that he's very happy with the explanation he's offered, no matter how inconsistent or lazily thought out we feel it is. The only thing they might do is basically offer the same answer they've given already, but just try to make a better case for Sam having a meltdown and running away from all his problems. I think that's what they tried to say at the start of the season and I'm willing to accept that, if pushed hard enough, Sam might have done it. They've just done a really, really bad job of justifying it on the show.
ReplyDeleteMaybe dead will just mean dead.
ReplyDeleteYeah I assumed that it was Don watching him leave since it's never been mentioned again. I didn't think it was stalkerish, I just thought it was kinda lame.
ReplyDeleteHe was fed Demon blood as a baby and it had to have been to change him, other wise why would yellow-eye do it?
ReplyDeleteI can easily accept that he just couldn't take things anymore, and I can put myself in his shoes and see I might have done the same. I think the problem is that the writers didn't present his motivation well enough, and it made it really hard for the audience to understand what they were trying to get at and to put themselves in Sam's shoes. The only sort of "meltdown moment" they showed was when he turned up at the vet's with about one line of dialogue where he's talking about the dog but, I guess, actually talking about Dean. And then the relationship with Amelia was so lacking in passion that the idea that he was using it as some kind of act of desperation didn't come across either. It's all just been a bit too oblique - this isn't Mad Men after all. If you paid really, really close attention to the dialogue you could see what they were trying to say, but you didn't feel emotionally engaged in what Sam was going through and Supernatural lives and dies on emotional engagement. The writers tried to say something complex about Sam's character, which I admire, but they missed the mark. Points for ambition, deductions for execution.
ReplyDeleteThat's it, isn't it? We're all open to new angles on characters, but you have to justify it in light of what we already know about them.
ReplyDeleteIt changed him in the sense that it gave him abilities and certain susceptibilities to influence. I don't think Eric Kripke ever intended for that to mean he was "impure" or contaminated in some way as a human being. That was an emotional reaction the characters on the show had, not an unassailable truth. The whole point of Supernatural has always been that it's your choices that determine what side you're on, not your physical body or any destiny laid out for you by someone else. Team Free Will and all that. So I think it would be a cop out for the trials to be in some way "cleansing" him of demon blood when he embarked on the trials for a completely separate and unselfish reason.
ReplyDeleteAt this point in the story the demon blood is irrelevant in terms of mythology. To have the trials get rid of it now would just be saying "okay the demon blood doesn't do anything anymore, but you're still not good enough solely because it's in you, and you'll never be good enough until it's gone" and I think that would be a very negative, unpleasant message to be sending out. Sam might believe that, but I don't think that's what the writers want us to believe.
But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they'll want to do it just so Sam can feel the relief of having the blood gone for good. But to be honest I'd assumed the demon blood was out of his system as of the start of season 6 when he came out of Hell. It would be a bit random if they made it part of the mythology again now.
I think one of things that hurts this explanation we've been given is that Sam told Dean he found something new. He found something he never had before with Amelia. People under stress are not creative. They're not open to new experiences. Their focus narrows. There's research in the cognitive sciences field supporting this. I think a lot of people understand this intuitively even if they're not familiar with the research, and that's why so many people can't get past the idea that Sam didn't look because he didn't care enough.
ReplyDeleteI also assumed when Sam returned from Hell he was no longer under the influence of the demon blood since it was out of his system. After Swan Song we never saw Sam drinking demon blood or showing any powers like he would still drink the demon blood off screen.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Sam is purified on a psychological not physical level during the trails.
I completely agree. PS can Ben Edlund be showrunner now? Please. PLEASE.
ReplyDeleteBen is awesome, but he's kind of this crazy mad genius, and the idea of what the show might look like under his control scares me a little. ;)
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more w/you, Chris! I honestly don't believe Sam wouldn't look for Dean. That just doesn't ring true to me. Plus, I won't go into detail, but the story wasn't told all that well, IMO. If things did get to be too much for Sam and he couldn't function, then the writing needed to make that a bit more obvious.
ReplyDeleteI do agree that that OOC act is not changing anytime soon. I will always hate it and find it wholly out of Sam's character and unrealistic.
Exactly!
ReplyDeleteI have no problem w/Sam doing something I wouldn't think he would do, but you have to tell me a story around that OOC action. You can't just say he didn't look and leave it at that. Vague lines like "my world imploded" and "I ran" do not tell a story!
I honestly think having Sam speak more in the FBs and more to Dean about why he made the choices he did would have been helpful to whatever story Carver was trying to tell. From his interviews, I get the sense that he wanted to show a Sam that wasn't going to obsess like he had in the past. That's fine, but couldn't Sam investigate a bit before writing off Dean? That's the part that doesn't make sense to me b/c Sam's first instinct should have been to look into the situation. However, under Carver's story, it appears Sam immediately wrote off Dean and then fell into a boring relationship w/Amelia. I'm not sure why we were supposed to see that as Sam making more "mature" decisions.
ReplyDeleteI just feel a lot of the hatred for this story could have been avoided by making Sam's POV more clear. The story was just very poorly written and poorly executed, IMO.
Great post!
ReplyDeleteSadly, the story missed the mark by a whole lot. It was just a poorly written and poorly executed story. There was no "meat" to it either, IMO. We should have been treated to Sam's decision making process, his thoughts, feelings, etc, but we got none of that.
I dunno, while he's really imaginative I actually think he has excellent attention to detail and really understands the concept of showing rather than telling. He always manages to explore character in unexpected ways and ask questions about a situation that really sheds new light on it. Maybe his attention to detail is so great that it would neglect a bigger story arc though. He could possibly spend too long bogged down on a particular thing that interests him. But then the things that interest him always seem pretty, well, interesting. So I'd probably run with it. And you can tell the 2 Js completely trust his writing. They come alive in his episodes.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe he just doesn't want to run an entire show. Or maybe he's terrible at managing people. It's hard to know why decisions are made from the outside looking in. But it's still fun to speculate on what could be.
I completely agree w/you! Sam is not "impure" b/c of the demon blood, and I hope they don't literally mean he's being cleansed of it.
ReplyDeleteI don't like that at all.
Or even if he didn't look, we needed to see some element of him feeling like he should and not being able to. I've been in a situation when I knew it was desperately important I did something, but that something scared me so much I couldn't do it, and on the other hand I wondered if there was actually any point in doing it anyway, and then wondered if I was just making excuses for not doing it. That tension tears you to pieces inside. It is the absolute worst feeling I have ever experienced. They didn't get across that Sam might be feeling something that intense.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he could fill a season with the on going story with a lot less fillers that are boring..see Bitten for one. ;)
ReplyDeleteHonestly, it doesn't feel like any thought was put into this story. I expected the FBs to tell Sam's side, but Amelia had the POV in the FBs. It's like no one reviewed the scripts to realize that Sam's much needed POV for this OOC storyline was missing. The whole thing was a mess, and that's why it continues to be raised.
ReplyDeleteI must say that I am NOT enjoying the season. I feel very "meh" about the show. I'm not liking the changes in the show I guess. There have been more misses to me than hits. At this point, I would re-watch ATGB, EHH, hellhound episode and maybe Prometheus. Oh, and I guess I should say I would rewatch the Sam/Dean scenes in this past episode. The Castiel stuff bored me.
I guess my love for the show is gone.
ITA. For all he knew, Dean could have been blown to the Grand Canyon and have amnesia. He might not be in another realm at all. He would have AT LEAST consulted a spirit board and looked for a John Doe suddenly appearing out of nowhere. SOMETHING!
ReplyDeleteyou know you guys keep going on and on about this sam did not look for dean crap GOD! get over it already its done the writer did a shitty job ok but I did not want a season 4 all right and you know what happen on season 4 OK! so get over it I know it suck but come on. it done over move on with it.
ReplyDeleteMaybe my expectations just went down a long time ago. 8 years is such a long time, I'm grateful that I still find anything to enjoy at all. I don't like inconsistent storytelling but it only starts to really bug me when I go on a Supernatural comments section and we all encourage each other! When I'm watching the show for the most part I'm fairly intrigued by what's going on, even if the show doesn't have the fire it used to have.
ReplyDeleteI would love to have another season 4, that was my favorite of them all.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what Edlund would be like as a showrunner. I think managing and a creative job take two different skill sets, but I don't man and don't know what his management skills would be like.
ReplyDeleteWell, there is still Heaven. So will dead just mean dead to the people who were suppose to go to Hell? It sounds kinda unbalanced.
ReplyDeleteOk, can completely see lame if it was Don. But it was also the wee hours of the morning - hanging outside your ex's (? current?) girlfriend's house is a little creepy. I think that is stalkerish.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I didn't mean to accuse you of blaming Sam! It's just something I see a lot of in conjunction with wondering why Sam didn't look for Dean. I was speaking generally.
ReplyDeleteYou know some people keep going on and on about people going on and on about lots of things. I am one of the ones that is going to keep on moaning until the show is good enough to make me love it again or they take the effort to add 4 lines of dialog that give an acceptable explanation. I'm still fretting over the stupid amulet AND Season 4 (which was my least favorite season -- although 8 seems to be heading that way). There are just some things that can't be let go.
ReplyDeleteseason 4 was the best season IMO with 5 as a close second
ReplyDeleteMan, that'd be messed up. It's like, I'd be mad if I died, got to Heaven and there sits Hitler.
ReplyDeleteThat Carver didn't know what the hell to do with Sam in the flashbacks?
ReplyDeleteI guess Carver and Co. felt like that should've been explanation enough. I say "& Co." because even if most of them haven't been there for years, they've been there long enough to know Sam not looking for Dean was bullshit someone needed to be called on. I mean, damn, this isn't a Ricktatorship. The best shows pool the writers' talents and ideas, not slavishly and blindly follow the showrunner's lead.
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with Dean and Castiel having some sort of chemistry, but I don't think he and Sam do. At all.
ReplyDelete4,5 and 6 (before I gave up after winter break) were a straight run of BAD seasons. That's my own personal. I actually found a lot of decent stuff to like in season seven, even if the Leviathans were poorly conceived and executed.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
ReplyDeleteThe close bond between the brothers, in positive and negative has always been the heartof the show.
If you are going to trash that you must at least give a well thougt out explanation, and in this case there was none.
If it had been the other way around and Sam had gone missing, with Dean not looking and no logical reason given ,it would have been equally unbeleivable.
Sometimes it seems that these writers just don't understand the show at all and it's especially strange that Carver himself who has been there practically from the beginning seems to be the worst of all.
No, I didn't think you were saying that I was blaming Sam. Since I brought this up again in the original post, I just felt the need to clarify my position. I don't like all of the blame against Sam either for what was at worst, a very human reaction that showed some vulnerability.
ReplyDeleteYeah I loved season 4. It's the year I started watching Supernatural and it got a heck of a lot of critical buzz that year as well. It really felt like nothing else on TV. Which it still sort of does, but that level of dynamism is hard to sustain.
ReplyDeleteLOL, I am with you on hard to get past stupid writing..Sam not looking. But had to laugh as season 4 is my favorite season and if they fix the Sam problem in the next 2 eps S8 will come close to being number 1. Yes there are several eps that will NEVER be watched again, but over all have enjoyed it, IF the bitter taste of how they made Sam was not in my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, it is. I think I mean I was too distracted by the lameness of that as an explanation to think about the creepiness of Don's behaviour. Maybe we'll still find out it was something else, but as it's never been referred to again I doubt it.
ReplyDeleteI mean if they close the gates to heaven.
ReplyDeleteI have read and heard that the reason Jared and Misha aren't in many scenes together is Jared keeps making Misha blow lines. If you watch any of the cons when all three are on together they are great. When the show is over they should go on the road with a stand-up comedy show. lol Misha said he had a hard time getting thru the French Mistake "acting" scene.
ReplyDeleteDean's Arc? What arc? Being nursemaid and cook and clean to Sam? Dean has no arc, no story, nothing. Carver gave Dean nothing and will give Dean nothing. Sam always has the arcs, and 500 versions of what is wrong with him.
ReplyDeleteThis show isn't for Dean fans anymore and no matter how much dressing up they give Dean's so called "Arc", the truth is, Dean is there only to support Sam until Sam's great heroic moment. Carver is very disappointing as a show runner.
I'm sure Dean's choice will be All About Sam, as usual. Redundant and once again, predictably boring.
I respectfully disagree. Addressing character arcs as this article does, I think there has been quite a bit of focus this year on Dean's escape from Purgatory, his mixed feelings about family and becoming friends with a monster, and the psychological transistion he went through from emerging from a simpler "pure" world to one with lots of shades of gray and complicated choices. The execution hasn't been seemless, but I think that could be said about most of the stories. It's an aging show with issues.
ReplyDeleteHahahaha! "Ricktatorship!!!" I love it :-)
ReplyDeleteI miss TWD on Sunday nights! That's my new favorite show!
But back to Supernatural - you are absolutely correct. One of the writers could have written in some dialogue for Sam so it was clear to the audience where he was coming from and why he did what he did.
Is it just me or was the story for Sam unclear? Did Sam think Dean was dead or not? If he did, I wish someone could explain to me why Sam NEVER said that to anyone who asked him why he didn't search for Dean? I mean, who searches for dead people! That doesn't make any sense!
I haven't been able to watch the last two eppy due to the broken comp. But I believe Sam understandably is broken everywhere but I feel he did look but he didn't defend because he "failed'' so he sees no point. I think closing gates of help will come from his demon side, but I think Dean will be just as important maybe fighting off crowley with cas by his side. I think most of the gates of hell will be closed but something powerful will release. It may be Satan or something else. As for Sam condition in the end he'll either be fine or he dies and cas brings him back. It could be possible he gets sucked in to a hell again but I don't really think so. Can't wait for the finale ;)
ReplyDeleteThe final trial could mean eliminate something from crowley
ReplyDeleteYeah, you don't need to be the hero to have a good arc.
ReplyDeleteThe difference will be that this time it would be Sam's best memories, especially connected to Dean, like, "Now you are truly and fully alone". At last, Sam looks absolutely lost in that last pic. I hate this idea myself, but would Dean's sacrifice be any better? And what are other possible variations? But you know what? If there should be consequences of closing the gates, it may be about leaving all humanity alone, that is, without access to celestial supernatural energies. And all people's souls appear to be cut from some spiritual source from above. Brave new world, purely materialistic. Eh... sorry for the rant. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Supernatural - Finale Speculation Time | Spoilers
ReplyDeleteThere is definitely a time gap between the time he met Amelia and when Dean disappeared.
ReplyDeleteYes, Jared is so good evil, loved Soulless Sam and dark Sam and the Sam trying to put his self back together. But mostly I LOVE Jared's smile, he lights up a room and I don't get to see it often enough recently. ;)
ReplyDeleteI'd rather see them get body switched than amnesia. And do it right, not like they did in Swap Meat. I looked forward to that episode for weeks then they didn't do the swapping part right. Disappointed.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree I thought season 4 and 5 where the absolute best in the show's 8 year run and the first half of season 6 was also great however 2nd haf with the whole Eve storyline not so much I loved souless sam and I loved crowley becoming King IMO he's the best villin on the show's 8 year run so far. Season had some great episodes but overall was a huge letdown I love season 8 especially there mythology episodes are any episod with Crowley is a bonus for me just doesn't compare to how good season 4 and 5 where
ReplyDeleteThey definitely need to move Crowley on as a character if he's going to stay on the show, because he doesn't feel particularly threatening anymore. But at the same time I don't want a human Crowley wandering about moaning about all he's lost and still trying to sabotage the brothers in some boring way like working for a bank and cancelling all their credit cards. So fingers crossed they get creative with what to do with him if he does turn human.
ReplyDeleteEDIT: In fact I was thinking about this last night. Previously, they've never had a major villain stick around for more than 2 seasons. And YED and Lilith were featured in very few episodes indeed for the 2 years they were around. Lucifer was on screen more often but was only around for a season. As a result, they felt like a serious threat to the boys. Crowley's been on the show for 3 years, he's on screen a lot, talks a lot and his threat level was diluted from the get-go by the fact that he had to work with the boys right at the beginning. At first he seemed to be just a small time baddy who got in the way, and I really enjoyed him as a character at that point. But presenting him as the Big Bad has never really worked for me. He just seems too small and petty. But that is just my opinion. I know lots of people like him.
like I was saying with the season 4 thing when dean went to hell Sam tryed everything to get him back and not a damn thing worked so he went with ruby and the DB happen I just did not want that again NO WAY!
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