We’re down to the final hours of ONCE UPON A TIME’s second season, and there’s a lot of stuff going on before the year comes to a close.
OUAT showrunners Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis talked with reporters earlier this week and delivered quite a few teases about what’s to come…
What the heck is the “Home Office”?
With Greg and Tamara’s mission in Storybrooke much more complex than a simple personal vendetta, a location/person called the “Home Office” is brought up. So what the heck is going on with that?
“You will find out this season,” Kitsis teased. “You will find out in the finale, and hopefully it’s not what you think…You will get an answer with a question…you will find out who the home office is, you will find out what they want, but you won’t know why…Since we’ve all been trained with Initiatives [Kitsis and Horowitz worked on LOST, which had the Dharma Initiative], we’re hoping to lead you down a different path.”
And yes, Greg and Tamara will play a big role in the audience discovering these truths…but whether they survive the season is TBD.
“Tamara and Greg will be wrapped up in this,” Horowitz said. “They’re here for a mission, and whether or not they succeed in that mission will be in the finale…By the end of this season, you’ll know a lot more about what Greg and Tamara are trying to achieve, who they are working for, and what that means for everyone in Storybrooke.”
But since they’ve already manipulated Hook into helping work out their plot, could anyone else we know secretly be a part of their plot? “Anything is possible,” Kitsis noted.
Read more at GMMR
OUAT showrunners Adam Horowitz and Eddy Kitsis talked with reporters earlier this week and delivered quite a few teases about what’s to come…
What the heck is the “Home Office”?
With Greg and Tamara’s mission in Storybrooke much more complex than a simple personal vendetta, a location/person called the “Home Office” is brought up. So what the heck is going on with that?
“You will find out this season,” Kitsis teased. “You will find out in the finale, and hopefully it’s not what you think…You will get an answer with a question…you will find out who the home office is, you will find out what they want, but you won’t know why…Since we’ve all been trained with Initiatives [Kitsis and Horowitz worked on LOST, which had the Dharma Initiative], we’re hoping to lead you down a different path.”
And yes, Greg and Tamara will play a big role in the audience discovering these truths…but whether they survive the season is TBD.
“Tamara and Greg will be wrapped up in this,” Horowitz said. “They’re here for a mission, and whether or not they succeed in that mission will be in the finale…By the end of this season, you’ll know a lot more about what Greg and Tamara are trying to achieve, who they are working for, and what that means for everyone in Storybrooke.”
But since they’ve already manipulated Hook into helping work out their plot, could anyone else we know secretly be a part of their plot? “Anything is possible,” Kitsis noted.
Read more at GMMR
While I still enjoy the show, it is just not the same. I really hope that the writers find a way to conquer back viewers.
ReplyDelete- “Anything is possible,” Kitsis noted."
ReplyDeleteAnd the ''we make shit up as we go along, without checking if things are in character and make sense storywise'' handwaving continues. Ugh.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
ReplyDeleteI feel like it is a possibility that Wendy and her lineage started the home office after the shadow(creepy Peter Pan) took Bae
ReplyDeleteThat's a very logical route - but with the Lost connections, there's a chance we something unexpected. It's in their blood.
ReplyDeleteThat's my theory as well. Sort of like Torchwood in the Doctor Who universe.
ReplyDeleteTo me, it seems a bit more like "We come up with big concepts to create a decent premiere and finale, but toss everything but the kitchen sink into the middle to fill up a twenty-two-episode season."
ReplyDeleteAnd we have Bobby and Lana to save the day, so all is fine.
ReplyDeletedarn you took the words right out of my mouth,can't get a word in edgewise,lol...! ;)
ReplyDeletelol omg agreed xD
ReplyDeleteAgreed. This show has lost a lot of the "magic" that made Season 1 awesome. In contrast, Season 2 has not been must-see-tv for me. Season 2 has been inconsistent, with characters that sometimes acted more stupid and frustrating, than with any real growth or sense. Terrible new guest stars (i.e., Owen & Tamara) don't help. Storylines meandering with no real purpose or goal throughout the majority of the season. I could go on. Like many viewers, I hope season 3 will get back some of the direction, writing, and purpose that season 1 had.
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of you. This show has lost a lot of the "magic" that made Season 1 awesome. In contrast, Season 2 has not been must-see-tv for me. Season 2 has been inconsistent, with characters that sometimes acted more stupid and frustrating, than with any real growth or sense. Terrible new guest stars (i.e., Owen & Tamara) don't help. Storylines meandering with no real purpose or goal throughout the majority of the season. I could go on. Like many viewers, I hope season 3 will get back some of the direction, writing, and purpose that season 1 had.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I immediately thought of Wendy & the Darlings too, once they mentioned a 'home office'. It'd be way cooler than the anti-religious freaks angle we have going on with Tamara & Owen.
ReplyDeleteYeah, me too, but only if the writing gets substantially better. You're description also is accurate, they just don't seem to care about all the plot holes and out of character stuff it creates.
ReplyDeleteHonestly if it wasn't for them I would've stopped watching by now. And I never have dropped a show in the middle of the season before..
ReplyDeleteAnd yet show has yet to contradict itself and has a brilliant sense of continuity.
ReplyDeletePlease stop spreading vitriol in every ouat article.
I've said before that this show needs shorter seasons. On the other hand, if they had actually made good on their promise of introducing a bunch of new characters from fairy-tales and literature (how many did we actually get? Four, maybe?), they could have done some really interesting episodes to fill the gaps. I mean, think of how many other interesting people are probably in Storybrooke. Why don't we hear from any of them? (Then again, it was similar complaints that gave us Nikki and Paulo on Lost...)
ReplyDeleteThe show contradicts itself constantly.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if I'm agreeing or disagreeing with you - but I do believe Wendy will be connect, I'm just not sure in what way. I won't be shocked if somehow Wendy and her brother are in Neverland (after all, why wouldn't the shadow go back after her brother seeing as Bae escaped him).
ReplyDeleteI won't get into the Lost debate since I love the show and my issues with it didn't involve me being disappointed (yep, I'm one of them).
Don't forget the actual plot continuity fail. Like how we spent an entire episode based around Regina having Hansel and Gretel go into the Blind Witch's house to steal back the apple. Fast forward to Into the Deep and Regina can make the sleeping curse herself.
ReplyDeleteThe little things I can let go, like the glass coffin changing places and status, Regina's room changing, her view/Henry's view changing, that kind of stuff. But stuff that was considered important enough that entire episodes were based around it?
Yes and the biggest problem is, IMO, world traveling. They based the entire show on the fact Rumple had one shot for going to the land without magic, but we found out during S2 that there are at least two other ways by which he could have achieved the exact same result in less time (and destructing a considerably smaller number of lives).
ReplyDeleteSo I can't criticize a show I watch? That's just silly.
ReplyDeleteOnce is full of contradictions and the continuity is barely present. Pacing wouldn't be the biggest problem I would mention first. Plotting and characterization are big problems on this show.
This is, imo, where they first jumped the shark completely. Queen of Hearts was the climax of the race between Cora/Hook and Emma/Snow to the portal to Storybrooke.
ReplyDeleteEmma/Snow won, in what was a ridiculous battle, and went home. And then Cora/Hook magically appeared on the edge of Storybrooke as the cliffhanger for the next episode. It was done in a ''by the way, there were more portals, derp!'' kind of way.
I was so pissed off that I just spend half a season watching for nothing that I wrote this article for the site back then: http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/01/once-upon-time-season-2-get-your-act.html
Which I got a lot of heat for, but since then problems with this show have only gotten bigger. Unfortunately and world traveling is as easy now as going to the bathroom.
Please bring arguments next time, or , wait , no don't, please continue deluding yourself and trolling.
ReplyDeleteAnd Charmings Are SUPPOSED to be contradictory. The whole season focused on duality of everyone. They are biased and they are flawed and they are narrow-minded and show does NOT shy away from that as shown with what Snow did in Miller's Daughter.
ReplyDeleteSnow's behavior AFTER killing Cora makes sense - it highlights her selfishness, her need for redemption to the point of suicidal irrationality - she does not really even care about Emma at this point, shrugging off whatever Emma has to say and focusing on what SHE wants. There are direct parallels to Regina there too as both Snow and Regina are going about Redemption in a completely wrng way.
ANd I am sorry? I have yet to SEE them acknowledging Rumple as family. They acknowledge him being biological family and they tried to use it as leverage a few times, but if I remember correctly, just few episodes ago, Charming and Snow wanted to control him with a dagger and just previous episode, Charming had to blackmail him into helping...AGAIN. NO love lost there.
That's not inconsistency. That's CONTINUITY. We KNEW Regina can make sleeping curse since Pilot - she talked with Maleficent about it. Apple most likely was just an ingredient for it.
ReplyDeleteGlass coffin - because obviously Regina with all her powerful magic would not MOVE IT? Henry is a kid and Regina is emotionally unstable,s o its normal for them to be bipolar.
TWO WAYS that DO NOT WORK TO GET TO WORLD WITHOUT MAGIC
ReplyDeleteLearn to watch the show, geez.
Only beans could transfer to Real World and from what he knew the last was used. Hat could not get him there and his own powers could not either. Only way was the curse and as we see the first time someone entered our world, opened the way for Neverland to influence real world too.
Criticism involves actual arguments instead of pointless bashing and snarking. Try harder next time.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet all of that was consistent.
ReplyDeleteWe knew what Beans can do.
We knew Hook's ship can travel through lands without portals.
Everything worked out.
And yay for confessing that you simply hate the show for the reason of it not going your way.
Orrrrr, Neverland IS "Home Office" :P
ReplyDeleteNope. Wardrobe ashes + compass works for world without magic. Just the hat wouldn't. And Cora was able to do the whole conundrum (and come up with the idea), so I guess Rumple should as well, since he is, you know, The Dark One.
ReplyDeleteI'm watching the show. It screams INCONSISTENCY, sorry.
I'm not saying I don't like it - I mean, just look at how many comments I have on this thing, I wouldn't spend half as much time discussing something if I didn't care for it - but they have been inconsistent.
Being dual ≠ being inconsistent. Let's take Emma, for example. She's supposed to be confused, since the poor woman just found out her parents are alive and come from a different world. I get that, I'm not expecting her to be at the top of her game all the time.
ReplyDeleteBut she switched from "though S1 sheriff Emma" to "shadow of character with barely any willpower" several times during S2, with no reasonable explanation to viewers. I take that as bad writing...
Snow's behavior after killing Cora makes sense if you consider her willingness to go back to FTL, but it doesn't make any sense in regards to Regina. I understand she's supposed to struggle with loving and hating her stepmother, but either you think she is family or you don't. You can hate family as well, no problem. But Snow and Charming clearly excluded Regina from the family circle several times, only to bring the topic back in the last episode saying "we saved you because your family". Just WTF? Makes NO sense.
And not only did Emma recognize Rumple is family, that was the reason why she saved him back in NYC. The fact Snow and Charming wanted to control him with the dagger proves the inconsistency, imo. You save someone who previously tries to kill you, because this person is a member of your family. You go as far as killing someone else in the process (Cora), but then you go back to being enemies and hating each other.
And you hate them BECAUSE they made you kill someone else, even though YOU were the one who chose to do the killing, arguing it was necessary to protect your family. For me, just the last part of the story actually makes sense and shows Snow being a dual and complex character, the rest is inconsistency.
I won't say anything about Charming cause he's a lost case. After seeing Regina with Daniel and still not changing his behavior towards her in the slightest (but then doing so in 2x20. See? Inconsistency), I have no more hopes for the man.
What? NO. Pay attention. Hook's ship CANNOT travel through lands without portals.
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about re: beans? Because they don't only transfer to our world.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the hat can't get him to our world, but the beans can and so can the magical tree.
Um...no. We didn't know Regina can make the sleeping curse since the Pilot. First of all because the only time the curse is mentioned after Charming wakes Snow is a continuity error. And also because Regina talking to Maleficent is in The Thing You Love Most, NOT the pilot.
ReplyDeleteThe, in The Thing You Love Most, att no point in the conversation do they say that she knows how to make it, just that they traded for it. Because, if, as you say that the apple was an ingredient, then we would have seen an apple when Regina made the curse in Into the Deep if it was such a crucial ingredient. Which we didn't, because the apple was just the delivery system in the same way the spindle was the deliver system. So if we grant that Regina can make it, why does she need to go to such lengths to get the apple in True North and in Apple Red as Blood rather than just making another one? Since it's literally just a regular apple, she could have replaced it with any old one, since we know she has a supply.
And WHAT MAGIC? Regina didn't have magic in That Still Small Voice OR in A Land Without Magic. So how would she have moved the coffin? Also, why would she move it? Which brings us to another continuity error? How did Regina get back up from beneath the library in The Evil Queen when it was previously posited that it needed someone to work the crank to make the elevator work?
What do Henry and Regina's emotional mindset have to do with their bedroom's not having the same views from their window/everything about the house changing?
Right? They've actually literally called him family TWICE. Emma said it The Miller's Daughter and Charming said it in Welcome to Storybrooke.
ReplyDeleteIn the stories Peter Pan's shadow was naughty and doing mischief. I wonder if Peter Pan is held captive by Captain Hook. Remember how Peter Pan scolded his shadow and said he was all doing bad things. Maybe Peter is locked up and his shadow is running around being naughty. Perhaps, Bae is gonna set him free in Captain Hooks jail. That would explain why the Shadow is naughty; maybe Peter is set free and he goes and collects his shadow.
ReplyDeleteHow silly if it is. I really do not care for a repeat of LOST. Watch the entire series from start to finish and was disappointed with answers leading to more questions. THe fan base here already loves the show but now if they take it into the LOST storyline directions, it will be retarded.
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