Andrea's farewell...Which I did not see coming.I admit,she did frustrate me at times(mostly during season 3),but I really liked her as a character and I wanted to see her back with the group and Michonne.And when you've seen the whole thing and just think about it a little you do understand the reasons behind her actions (or lack of).It was a heartbreaking scene,that's for sure.
The Governor opening fire at his own people was also jaw-dropping.And I loved Milton's scenes. : (
There were three survivors of the Governor's massacre of his own folk, not two: the two guys plus the one woman. And I'd say Carl did hesitate before shooting that guy; it would have been less disturbing if he'd just done it without thought.
I agree, Andrea's farewell was heartbreaking. Even though I was frustrated with her for not killing the Governor, in her final moment you could see how desperate she was for unifying the two groups in a utopia that will only exist in her mind. Second choice would have been the governor gunning down his people. That was scary!
I am sad to admit I saw Andrea's farewell coming because in many ways, the writers had her on the same trajectory as Lori: take a female character to the point where she's almost reviled, then redeem her in a sympathetic scene of extreme bravery and sacrifice. That said, I definitely thought her final scene was quite moving, in that her heroic plans certainly failed horrifically but she did not die in vain. Her demise ended up being the catalyst for bringing the remaining Woodbury citizens and Team Prison together, (hopefully) working toward building some new semblance of civilization.
I especially liked the final moments of this episode, where Rick looks up at the catwalk and Lori isn't there. It occurred to me that her apparition as a pregnant mother may have had strong significance -- nudging Rick to preserve hope and humanity for the sake of the baby, for the future of the next generation. I took her absence to signify that she could move on, that Rick was finally doing what she'd been hoping he would. For me, that made the final scene with the grave marker especially poignant as a symbol for all those characters -- Lori, Andrea, Dale -- who have died fighting the good fight. Rest in peace.
I enjoyed seeing that Andrea was bit, but my favorite scene was the governor invading the prison because it was just so suspenseful. I LOLed when they blew up the guard tower, because I just thought, "No more fun in the guard tower for Maggie and Glenn." LMAO.
I would have chosen the whole situation between Andrea and Milton, not just the beginning with Milton being stabbed or the end with Andrea's farewell. It was a great setup in order to let those characters contemplate together the result of their choices. Both had been really nice people, but unable to judge the situation and take the necessary action on time. But as you say, their ideals will hopefully still be received and promoted within the new group.
The Rick and Carl confrontation. That was one of the scenes that set up the tension that we'll meet as we enter season 4. l) Carl has lost faith in his father's leadership and is becoming a loose cannon. 2) The Governor remains at large, and 3) There are many new characters joining the prison group now that Rick has accepted the Woodbury refugees.
As for Andrea's death, it fit with her arc. She cared enough about the Governor to let him live, and she cared about Milton so she conversed with him instead of fighting faster to get free. Her own survival was not uppermost in her mind. Nevertheless, I'm worried that the writers may possibly have been listening too much to fan hatred and that's why they killed the character. Don't know, but it's possible.
I was torn between the scene where we figure out Rick and company didn't run but stayed to fight the Governor and later where the Governor starts to gun down his own people for not being tough enough. I chose the latter one simply because it all happened so quickly and was truly a "shock" moment in the finale.
I'd like the recurring character of Karen from Woodsbury to get some more screen time in season 4, maybe even be upgraded to a series regular. It'd be nice to have the two groups mesh with more weighting than what will presumably be some background actors.
Andrea's farewell, which was so well done and unexpected. Even though I was frustrated with her character for some time, I kept seeing the promise the comic book's version of Andrea and kept hoping to see the move to becoming that badass version, the same with Michonne but she's become closer to her comic book character as the season went on. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they will develop a character to be like Andrea's in the books.
I was thinking about that too, but I was thinking when Sasha was showing Tyreese how to shoot if she might be a candidate for comic-book Andrea's role... guess we'll just have to wait and see
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Andrea's farewell...Which I did not see coming.I admit,she did frustrate me at times(mostly during season 3),but I really liked her as a character and I wanted to see her back with the group and Michonne.And when you've seen the whole thing and just think about it a little you do understand the reasons behind her actions (or lack of).It was a heartbreaking scene,that's for sure.
ReplyDeleteThe Governor opening fire at his own people was also jaw-dropping.And I loved Milton's scenes. : (
There were three survivors of the Governor's massacre of his own folk, not two: the two guys plus the one woman. And I'd say Carl did hesitate before shooting that guy; it would have been less disturbing if he'd just done it without thought.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Andrea's farewell was heartbreaking. Even though I was frustrated with her for not killing the Governor, in her final moment you could see how desperate she was for unifying the two groups in a utopia that will only exist in her mind.
ReplyDeleteSecond choice would have been the governor gunning down his people. That was scary!
I am sad to admit I saw Andrea's farewell coming because in many ways, the writers had her on the same trajectory as Lori: take a female character to the point where she's almost reviled, then redeem her in a sympathetic scene of extreme bravery and sacrifice. That said, I definitely thought her final scene was quite moving, in that her heroic plans certainly failed horrifically but she did not die in vain. Her demise ended up being the catalyst for bringing the remaining Woodbury citizens and Team Prison together, (hopefully) working toward building some new semblance of civilization.
ReplyDeleteI especially liked the final moments of this episode, where Rick looks up at the catwalk and Lori isn't there. It occurred to me that her apparition as a pregnant mother may have had strong significance -- nudging Rick to preserve hope and humanity for the sake of the baby, for the future of the next generation. I took her absence to signify that she could move on, that Rick was finally doing what she'd been hoping he would. For me, that made the final scene with the grave marker especially poignant as a symbol for all those characters -- Lori, Andrea, Dale -- who have died fighting the good fight. Rest in peace.
I enjoyed seeing that Andrea was bit, but my favorite scene was the governor invading the prison because it was just so suspenseful. I LOLed when they blew up the guard tower, because I just thought, "No more fun in the guard tower for Maggie and Glenn." LMAO.
ReplyDeleteAndrea's farewell, no question at all. It was so sad.
ReplyDeleteExcellent comment, thank you.
ReplyDeleteI would have chosen the whole situation between Andrea and Milton, not just the beginning with Milton being stabbed or the end with Andrea's farewell. It was a great setup in order to let those characters contemplate together the result of their choices. Both had been really nice people, but unable to judge the situation and take the necessary action on time. But as you say, their ideals will hopefully still be received and promoted within the new group.
The Rick and Carl confrontation. That was one of the scenes that set up the tension that we'll meet as we enter season 4. l) Carl has lost faith in his father's leadership and is becoming a loose cannon. 2) The Governor remains at large, and 3) There are many new characters joining the prison group now that Rick has accepted the Woodbury refugees.
ReplyDeleteAs for Andrea's death, it fit with her arc. She cared enough about the Governor to let him live, and she cared about Milton so she conversed with him instead of fighting faster to get free. Her own survival was not uppermost in her mind. Nevertheless, I'm worried that the writers may possibly have been listening too much to fan hatred and that's why they killed the character. Don't know, but it's possible.
I was torn between the scene where we figure out Rick and company didn't run but stayed to fight the Governor and later where the Governor starts to gun down his own people for not being tough enough. I chose the latter one simply because it all happened so quickly and was truly a "shock" moment in the finale.
ReplyDeleteI'd like the recurring character of Karen from Woodsbury to get some more screen time in season 4, maybe even be upgraded to a series regular. It'd be nice to have the two groups mesh with more weighting than what will presumably be some background actors.
ReplyDeleteAndrea's farewell, which was so well done and unexpected. Even though I was frustrated with her character for some time, I kept seeing the promise the comic book's version of Andrea and kept hoping to see the move to becoming that badass version, the same with Michonne but she's become closer to her comic book character as the season went on. I guess we'll have to wait and see if they will develop a character to be like Andrea's in the books.
ReplyDeleteI've had the feeling for a while now they're gonna take Andrea's gun skills and give them to Maggie.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about that too, but I was thinking when Sasha was showing Tyreese how to shoot if she might be a candidate for comic-book Andrea's role... guess we'll just have to wait and see
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