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4 Apr 2013

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189 comments:

  1. patriotfall4 April 2013 at 02:59

    Seriously one of the BEST episodes of the entire series!
    Where is Kevin?!

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  2. Paula Ireri4 April 2013 at 02:59

    'Watch Supernatural', they said.
    'You won't get emotionally involved', they said.
    :'((((((( WHAT AN AMAZING EPISODE!!!

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  3. klutzy_girl4 April 2013 at 03:00

    I loved it so much! Overprotective Big Brother!Dean and crying and the HUG! THE HUG!

    And yay, Bobby! Hate Naomi, but glad that Bobby's in Heaven now.

    And aww at Benny going to Purgatory and staying there and saving Sam. That was awesome.


    Whoa at Kevin losing it like that! I feel so bad for him.


    Great episode!

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  4. TexasGreatGrams4 April 2013 at 03:00

    Awesome-but so sad. Good to see Bobby & have Sam realize what a good friend Benny is.

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  5. Misty Pebworth4 April 2013 at 03:05

    I don't know, maybe my expectations were too high with this being a bobby episode. I was a little disappointed. The lines didn't feel like they fit the characters very well. The only characters that felt right were Kevin and Crowley.

    Gotta admit, evil Crowley is delicious Crowley.

    But Dean, bobby, and Benny's lines all felt..wrong. Forced. Off somehow.

    Not sure I like these writers, maybe that's it.

    Oh and Naomi is a beech.

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  6. SuePo4 April 2013 at 03:08

    I was very disappointed. I suppose if you're a fan of the Super Sam sow it was awesome. But since my favorite character has always been Dean and his contribution was making breakfast it was pretty lame. I think I'm done.

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  7. percysowner4 April 2013 at 03:09

    Well, I guess the destruction of Sam is now complete. Bobby confirmed that Sam was a faithless, vile disgusting brother. And Benny proved he is the Better Brother after all. Congratulations Jeremy Carver, you have ruined what I loved about the show.

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  8. V_s4 April 2013 at 03:11

    You still have to take into account the fact that Sam failed to mention to Bobby that he didn't even know where Dean was, so he didn't know where to begin to look.

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  9. V_s4 April 2013 at 03:12

    So, just for clarification's sake (I missed part of the scene), Crowley didn't find Kevin or kill his mom, right? It was all in Kevin's head?

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  10. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:15

    Very PO'd they killed Benny and had Dean be the one to do it. They better bring him back, like they imply leaving it open, dammit. Jensen & Ty were terrific acting, but what a disappointment this death is.
    And the pacing in this was crazy - it's 3 eposodes in one. Apparently Sara Gamble's flaw of having nothing happen for 20 episodes then cramming it all in one, passed to Carver like a bad STD. This could have been 3 awesome episodes, with a Benny rescue thrown in.
    Too easy to get into hell & Purgatory - it cheapens everything that went before, and violates the rules of the SPN universe. And what's with the changes in Cowley? He was a demon with snark, who only gripes now, and had principles that obeyed a certain code that gave him depth. Now he's violating his own rules?

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  11. percysowner4 April 2013 at 03:16

    Once Bobby has condemned you, you're condemned. It's over. The fact that they gave Sam no defense means they don't care about trashing him.

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  12. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:17

    I think it was in his head because the windows weren't broken when Dean & Sam went in after.

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  13. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:18

    Look at it as Sam's "Boo hoo Princess" speech. Bobby likes to deliver those occassionally when someone is down...

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  14. MarissaAO4 April 2013 at 03:20

    The plot holes and the lack of continuity with previously established mythology were terrible. The script was mediocre. The best part was Dean's scene with Benny. And Kevin's scenes were good. His surliness and paranoia were wonderful. And the fact that Dean is hoping that Cas will return to him. :) But those were small bright spots in an over-all sub-par episode. Which is a shame, because with a plot like this, it ought to have been good. But it wasn't.

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  15. Melissa Nicole Tillotson4 April 2013 at 03:23

    SAM AND DEAN HUG
    SAM AND DEAN HUG
    SAM AND DEAN HUG

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  16. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:23

    The lack of continuity destroys my enjoyment. Lately not even the great acting rescues it for me.

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  17. MarissaAO4 April 2013 at 03:27

    or the windows were a continuity error

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  18. percysowner4 April 2013 at 03:27

    Nope, "Boo, hoo Princess" was about Dean cutting off Sam when Sam was probably about to die and Bobby wanted Dean to reach out so that when Sam DID die, Dean wouldn't feel guilty. This was all about letting the audience know that Sam is not a good brother and is completely irredeemable and unworthy of love or Dean. This was a slap in the face for Sam and every fan of his. Dean was able to make a gesture to Sam. Sam can NEVER recover from what they have done to his character.

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  19. ScottA4 April 2013 at 03:28

    You had me at Rogue Reapers. Well at least we got the Benny storyline wrapped up. Hopefully Shadowy Figure bites the dust around episode 22. Sam's physical problems are like a bad night at the bar for me.


    The Tori Spelling/Pedicure at the mall made me want to pull my teeth out.


    Still think Purgatory looks like my back yard.


    Dean sure can drive fast. Sam picked door number three and won.


    And hoe exactly did Crowley get onto the Bubba Garth Shrimpin' Boat. Or should I call her Jen--nie?


    And now they are breaking all the rules. Crowley intercepting souls on the way to heaven?


    This could EASILY have been spread over two or three episodes and been done much better.


    Now I just hope Joshua shoes up and gives everyone a holy oil colonic.

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  20. ScottA4 April 2013 at 03:29

    At least Shaq is on Southland.

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  21. rehabber4 April 2013 at 03:29

    Sam did not know where Dean was in Time After Time, but he hunted for and got him back.

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  22. Jessie4 April 2013 at 03:31

    The show was pretty balanced with about equal Sam and Dean time, unlike last week's episode where Sam was sent away every chance they got. They didn't miss an opportunity to remind us that Sam didn't look for Dean though, and that Benny is the "bestest" brother ever because he was going to make the ultimate sacrifice for Dean.

    This so called (made up by Carver) agreement taints the entire season. Sam and Dean would never make that agreement. Sam would look for Dean and help Kevin.

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  23. Shannon Liedel4 April 2013 at 03:32

    It was good, don't get me wrong, but they could've/should've done so much more with hell! Sam walked around some corridors and found Bobby within seconds. There are ways to make it scary without busting the budget.

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  24. V_s4 April 2013 at 03:34

    True, and who's to say that Sam didn't look for Dean in vain for a while before he hit the dog? Sam has never said he didn't look for Dean. In fact, every time someone has asked him about that, he's said nothing except that he eventually hit a dog and gave up the hunter life.

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  25. rehabber4 April 2013 at 03:35

    Again someone asked Sam if he looked for Dean and again he said nothing. I think before the end of the season we will have an answer. They would not keep bringing it up like this other wise.

    Excellent acting from everyone, I do love Benny and hope to get him back. Was good to see Bobby again, and he was same old Bobby.

    Naomi is such a lying b***h, hope Dean does not fall for the "good" Angel bit.

    After what I considered a disaster last week they come up with a good ep. This season has been feeling like a yo-yo.

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  26. Kattoo4 April 2013 at 03:35

    I felt more during Dean's and Benny's hug.

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  27. Jessie4 April 2013 at 03:35

    He made breakfast and orchestrated Sam and Bobby's rescue from purgatory. More than Sam got to do last week. At least Dean wasn't constantly sent off screen to wait by the car while other characters interacted with Sam - something that happens to Sam all the time.

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  28. Megan_B4 April 2013 at 03:36

    Bobby also spoke against Dean being friend with a vampire and it seem like every single fan here missed that part,. Bobby didn't agree with decisions BOTH brothers did

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  29. sharonally4 April 2013 at 03:37

    Probably because the writers dont have the answer is why we are stuck with the Sam didnt look for Dean scenario. Jeremy Carver didnt need to put Sam in that position in the first place .

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  30. V_s4 April 2013 at 03:38

    Sam and Dean did make that agreement before the Season 5 finale. Dean broke it and tried to get Sam out of the cage, but couldn't find any way to do it. (Never mind the fact that Sam probably wasn't in the cage any more when he began trying to get Sam out, but still.) That's probably the agreement they're referring to.

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  31. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:39

    I do see your point. Add that today Dean sacrificed a good friend for Sam, right after Bobby gave his speech. The balance of brotherly love is pretty poor after all this.

    Really, only Sam rescuing Dean from some huge mythic danger will begin to correct what they did to Sam in S8. I still can't believe they ignored the storyline of Dean fighting in Purgatory while Sam struggles to find him up here. They could have done that for half a year - so much great Purgatory ideas - then reunite them in midseason, then begin the Word arc for the last half. ugh

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  32. rehabber4 April 2013 at 03:39

    That is what I am holding on to, Sam has never said he did not look, Sam always looks, even when he does not know where Dean is.

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  33. SuePo4 April 2013 at 03:40

    Always finding the silver lining, huh Scott? :). It's amazing how they can state how many angels died saving Castiel from Purgatory in the same episode Sam just waltzes in and out. And how nice of Benny to sacrifice himself for the guy who wanted nothing more than to kill him. I don't think actually watching the first 7 seasons is a prerequisite for writing an ep anymore.

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  34. Megan_B4 April 2013 at 03:41

    that's how I see it too

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  35. jensenfan19784 April 2013 at 03:42

    There was a lot of story to get in, so I understand the shortness of Hell. You have Sam's part and Dean's part and both needed time. I thought it was fair. Purgatory was good. Dean and Benny had me crying. Jensen is such a tremendous actor when it comes to emotions. I am not going into the story in case someone hasn't seen it yet, but it was superbly acted, written, directed. Great Supernatural..

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  36. lala24 April 2013 at 03:43

    Jessie, I agree.
    Not only would Sam and Dean never make that agreement - given the life they lead, that type of agreement doesn't even make sense! They only have each other. If one were to disappear, the only person left to give a darn would be the other brother. What type of sense does it make to agree to NOT look for each other.
    Carver's made up, retconned rule is stupid!

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  37. Kattoo4 April 2013 at 03:44

    And angel blades kill reapers? And what about the time differential in Hell? And how convenient that there is a back door to Hell from Purgatory that Crowley knows nothing about...since he spent all of S6 hunting for a way into Purgatory. Nope...don't need to have watched any season prior to this one...and, in order to maintain one's sanity, it's probably for the best.

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  38. lala24 April 2013 at 03:46

    Sam made Dean promise to not try to rescue him from Hell. Sam and Dean have never made a promise to not look for each other if one mysteriously disappeared. That promise would make no sense in their world or the real world.
    If that was their promise to each other, why did Dean look for Sam when Sam disappeared in AHBL? Why did Sam look for Dean when he disappeared in that Western episode last year?
    They have to look for each other. Anyone would look for a missing sibling/relative. This rule they keep referencing is a made up rule Carver came up with this year.

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  39. percysowner4 April 2013 at 03:47

    The only person who agreed with Sam was Martin who was labeled as too crazy to assess Benny. Bobby didn't criticize Dean to his face and Sam IMMEDIATELY told Bobby he didn't know the facts. Then Sam told Dean that Sam was wrong and Dean was right about Benny. It is a very different situation. Sam has been demolished and Benny has been sanctified.

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  40. percysowner4 April 2013 at 03:49

    I don't believe they have any intention of correcting what they did to Sam. They intend to keep Sam as the lesser brother so that they can eventually make him the big bad and Dean can kill him and feel righteous.

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  41. lala24 April 2013 at 03:49

    I think it very well could have all been in Kevin's mind. The windows were not busted out so I'm thinking he dreamed it.

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  42. lala24 April 2013 at 03:50

    I just want to know if there is a reason Sam gets silent whenever anyone asks him about looking for Dean. It's very annoying.
    Carver has been horrible for the show, IMO.

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  43. C P4 April 2013 at 03:51

    Great episode.

    Glad Bobby went to Heaven and Sam finally realized Benny wasn't that bad. In a way, if Benny wanted to stay in Purgatory, it's good for him. He likes it better there than on Earth.

    Kevin...yikes. Totally lost it. Hope the boys can find him before he gets caught and/or the tablet gets in the wrong hands.

    Naomi is such a liar. She only has her interests in mind.

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  44. lala24 April 2013 at 03:51

    The sad part is Sera left the show in a position where the story of Sam rescuing Dean from Purgatory could have played out, but it was ditched for the most boring, pointless story since Amy!

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  45. lala24 April 2013 at 03:53

    Honestly, does Carver even recognize the problem? Does he see what his crappy story has done to Sam?
    I don't think he gets it at all, which means it's really very unlikely we'll ever get a proper story re: Sam's months before hitting the dog!

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  46. lala24 April 2013 at 03:55

    Exactly! It was completely unnecessary to drive a bus over Sam, but Carver has sanctioned such action REPEATEDLY this year. And for what? What is the reason and purpose behind Sam not looking? Does Carver think it's "immature" for Sam to search for his missing brother? What was the point of Sam not looking?

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  47. Kiersten Hagins :-)4 April 2013 at 03:57

    One of my favorite episodes of the series and my favorite of the season! <3 Well done supernatural, well done....

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  48. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 03:58

    I disagree, though I get why you're so PO'd - I've gotten that way in certain eps.
    I think they honestly thought the Amelia story was the way to give Sam a POV with an emotional viewpoint, like they do with Dean all the time. But boy, did it suck & backfire.
    It's the chronic Sam problem with them telling us & never showing us. If they had dropped even a line about searching for Dean, or if not, just showed his actual breakdown, it would be so different.
    I think they needed a conflict between the brothers, and some idiot thought this would be a good way to get it. Not realizing how it violates the heart of the brother relationship and makes Sam out to be so selfish. Whoever it was who had the idea, lacks empathy with how fans view the brothers. The conflict mattered more than the love, which is now relegated to words, not actions.

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  49. percysowner4 April 2013 at 04:00

    I think he knows, I just don't think he cares. He's driving the bus over Sam and that is that.

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  50. lala24 April 2013 at 04:02

    The problem is Sam never said anything substantive in the FBs. Of the 5-6 FBs, we saw Sam mention Dean a grand total of 2 (?) times! Once to Amelia's dad, and he may have nodded his head when Amelia asked him if he wanted to tell her about Dean.
    If this was supposed to be Sam's big POV story, their first mistake was in muzzling Sam and not actually allowing him to give his POV and speak.

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  51. lala24 April 2013 at 04:04

    Ain't that the truth?
    He doesn't care. And at this point, I'm not sure if I want his story of Sam's POV. Who knows what crap he'd have spilling out of Sam's mouth? He, clearly, doesn't understand Sam at all!

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  52. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 04:05

    I don't think Carver knows, because he's too busy and doesn't give a flying fig. I think he's still doing Being Human, even if he says he's not. I think it's mainly Singer in the day to day, and he is notoriously nonresponsive to any fans, Dean and Sam.

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  53. SuePo4 April 2013 at 04:08

    Yeah. Apparently the paint everyone with the stupid brush. How can Crowley not know about a portal between Hell and Purgatory? And why did Sam insist on going alone? Dean was two feet away when he killed the hellhound so apparently being alone isn't necessary. I'm sure Dean could've found the portal if he was there since he knew what to look for. But no. Eggs had to be scrambled. There is just way too much that doesn't fly lately. It's like they're not even watching the eps the weeks before not to mention the last seven years. Do they even have a continuity editor?

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  54. lala24 April 2013 at 04:09

    I have had the same thought this season. He doesn't seen invested or interested in this show.

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  55. Wilson Crawford4 April 2013 at 04:10

    yeah I agree. Hell was very easily navigated...I was intrigued by all the victims being strung up and their various "punishments"...I was kinda hoping for something truly shocking before he just stumbled into Bobby and easily got him out...

    Although, I think it was mentioned in the show that Bobby wasn't really there under correct terms so he was more or less just "renting" a cell anyway lol

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  56. CyanaT4 April 2013 at 04:16

    You'll always have SuperKrissy crushing on Hero!

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  57. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 04:19

    Carver can't even be bothered to promote the show with those producer promos each week.

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  58. ZoeF4 April 2013 at 04:23

    It would have been nice if Dean got to see Bobby before he winged off to heaven.

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  59. David Fischer4 April 2013 at 04:25

    Holy crap! The writers actually let Sam have meaningful interactions with the guest stars! That hasn't happened in years!



    Great episode!

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  60. David Fischer4 April 2013 at 04:26

    Sam hasn't done anything of significance in years. This has been the Dean and Cas show since season 4. Let Sam have his moment in the sun for once.

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  61. C P4 April 2013 at 04:30

    Yeah the continuity is a downer. Ever since Kripke left, it's like the parent is gone and nobody's doing their homework, so when the test comes (episode writing) the writers wing it. It's got worse with Carver. It makes sense though. Gamble was around since Season 1 so she knew the mythology of all the seasons. Carver wasn't always around. But they're not totally responsible either. The newer writers should be taking care of their own scripts.

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  62. lala24 April 2013 at 04:32

    I don't keep up w/the BTS stuff, but if all the other showrunners did these promos, it doesn't speak well of Carver that he hasn't done any!

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  63. CyanaT4 April 2013 at 04:32

    ^^^This! I realize that Sam has appeared to always dodge the question and look very uncomfortable when someone asks if he looked for Dean.. Carver likely is weighing the pros and cons of a "12th hour reveal" depending on how well the fans swallowed the crap he shoveled (Hint - not very well). Since Sam hasn't offered any defense of any of his non-actions (Dean/Meg/Kevin were left hanging the breeze while Sam was "driving"and "imploding" until he hit Dog) that I know of (I read something about a cut scene in 8.01), ***possibly*** Sam will spill more by the end of the season. This episode did leave the doors open for Benny (and maybe Bobby's) returns.

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  64. CyanaT4 April 2013 at 04:40

    IA ...We got Amelia blathering on and on about her srory while Sam was mostly silent - OMG - that's Sam's POV - silence :(.

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  65. C P4 April 2013 at 04:40

    I believe it was in his head. He was going crazy the whole episode.

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  66. CyanaT4 April 2013 at 04:46

    I agree with Zoe...Kevin was hallucinating again just as he was near the beginning of the episode where "Crowley" was slicing and dicing him. The windows weren't the only sign, the "below decks" area was neat as a pin and all Kevin's "things" were gone. If Crowley had killed Kevin he would have left Kevin's mangled remains behind as a warning to the Winchesters.

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  67. C P4 April 2013 at 04:51

    It was good to see Sam interact with Bobby more this episode. If I need a label, mine would be Dean girl and Cas fan, but I've always firmly believed in Sam being the main character besides Dean always. Sam and Dean are supposed to be equal so Sam getting his time is great.

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  68. DumbGirl Frd4 April 2013 at 04:57

    continuity editor? they used to have one, his name is Jeremy Carver. I guess now he's the boss, that position just left empty.

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  69. Thirty4 April 2013 at 04:58

    Sam breaking their standing "deal" is a moot point.


    Exactly how would he have started? There was no way of even working out if Dean and/or Cas were even alive.



    Kevin is a whole different thing but, I can't see burning a whole year down a rabbit hole.

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  70. MontyFree4 April 2013 at 05:02

    What's worse is the actor feels the same way. At Vegas Con Jared said he thought Sam not looking for Dean was out of character and that the Sam/Amelia storyline was weak. I think he's just disappointed in what is going on with Sam as the fans are.

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  71. Thirty4 April 2013 at 05:04

    Best episode in a while. There was a time when the show had a set of supporting players(Gordon/Bobby/Bela/Meg/Jo) who could almost carry an entire episode on their own.



    It was nice to have a character in Benny who could do that.



    Not sure I get the hate.

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  72. lala24 April 2013 at 05:07

    Exactly! Sam never spoke or shared his thoughts/feelings. How do you tell a big story about Sam but don't focus on Sam? Strange!

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  73. lala24 April 2013 at 05:16

    You make a great point. There was no way to know if Dean and/or Cas were dead or alive, so that means, in my eyes, that Sam would have had to do an investigation into Dean's disappearance to make a determination. He wouldn't just get in the Impala and move on w/hs life w/o first reaching a conclusion about Dean.
    I'm not saying Sam had to find Dean. I'm just saying the Sam I've watched since S1 would look into it before giving up. Even Jared feels this way, and he plays the character. It was highly OOC for Sam to not look for Dean. I really don't care if he had no one to ask or resources. Sam is a really smart, resourceful guy. I can't imagine that he would be stopped by a lack of easily accessible resources.
    Now, if the story was that Sam was too depressed or distraught after losing everyone that he couldn't function, then Carver should have done a better job telling that story. And if he was telling that story, it was too vague and subtle.

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  74. Lissie_Bee4 April 2013 at 05:23

    If nothing else, I'm glad Sam got a chance to experience some of what Dean did in purgatory - assuming he dealt with more than the one baddie we saw him kill, it showed him why Dean was so hardened when he came back, and why after being there so long one might make an alliance with someone like Benny.

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  75. percysowner4 April 2013 at 05:31

    Singer along with Edlund has called Dean the "heart of the show". Sam is apparently the buttocks of the show.

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  76. percysowner4 April 2013 at 05:34

    News Flash! the 12th hour is too late for me. I will never trust the writers again. After a lackluster season 7, I never thought I would ask for SG to return, but if she's reading this, come back SG all is forgiven!

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  77. percysowner4 April 2013 at 05:36

    But all we got was Bobby's POV. Sam, again, said nothing about how he feels, what he thinks or what happened to HIM while Dean was gone. Heck Bobby actively worked to keep Dean with Lisa and Ben and not know Sam was back, here he tells Sam that Sam was a jerk to not look for Dean.

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  78. percysowner4 April 2013 at 05:42

    Totally agree.

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  79. K.Mac4 April 2013 at 05:54

    I'm glad Sam's time in Hell was short. I couldn't have taken another moment of Neandertal!Sam. The lighting in Hell does not suit him at all.

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  80. Elizabeth Madsen4 April 2013 at 06:12

    Why, oh why isn't there an option for Sweet Mercifully AWESOME?!

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  81. Gustavo4 April 2013 at 06:16

    Why the people always is looking for problems in the episode? That's so amazing, Bobby, Benny, Naomi, Crowley, Kevin... And sorry for my english, I'm from brazil.

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  82. Elena Wonderland4 April 2013 at 07:18

    I was so emotionally abused by this episode :'( Sam,Dean and even Benny...They all broke my heart.I literally wanted to hug my laptop every 10 seconds!!!I loved everything about it.And now I am pretty convinced that there's something going on with "Sam not looking for Dean".They wouldn't refer to it so often it we ere past it.Man...THE WINCHESTER HUG MADE ME CRY LIKE A BABY...:'( MY FEEEEEEEEEEEELS </3

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  83. prpleight4 April 2013 at 07:49

    So, were we supposed to take Kevin's last scene as a dream or actually happening?

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  84. isleofskye4 April 2013 at 07:58

    Just finished watching.

    I went in not quite knowing what to expect but I should have done the same thing as I did with last week's episode; not watched!

    I am so annoyed with what these writers have done to this once wonderful little gem of a show.
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    For me nothing feels true any more, not the emotions, the danger, the fear, the story-line. Everybody just seems to be going through the motions. So so depressing.
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    Crowley in Kevin's head. Why not before.? Has he just recently acquired the power of telepathy?
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    Why on earth would there be need of a rogue reaper to get people in and out of the after-life?
    If that was the case, I would think there would be two-way traffic, in and out! Why can't souls book a passage from the after-life to Earth too! Just saying.
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    While I love Bobby, I honestly can't see him as an innocent soul. He has killed.

    I know he was only a kid but he did kill his father.

    There was really no reason to bring him back for one episode. Sam could have found a more innocent soul in Hell, I'm sure; some poor guy who made a crossroads deal to save someone else, for example.
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    I'm also tired of Dean caring and sharing with everyone on the planet except Sam, his one true brother!
    Sam goes into Purgatory with the reaper and Dean, looks on quite happily, not particularly bothered. You might never see Sam agin, Dean ; you could show your love and concern by giving him a hug or a pat on the back or something!

    Instead of worrying while Sam's away Dean goes of to have burgers with Kevin and is more upset about Kevin stealing his pie than about Sam being in Hell.

    Wow, Dean and Sam have really become very mature. Congrats Carver!
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    Of course with Benny and Castiel, his better brothers, Dean lets all his carinfg and sharing come out.

    Benny gets a whole emotional scene complete with teary Dean eyes and a huge hug before going into Purgatory even although at that moment Dean believed he would come back out with Sam.

    All poor Sam gets is a miserable hug when he gets back out, but even then Dean seems more worried about Benny than Sam.
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    Then back door to Hell and Heven from Purgatory. I wrote a fic with that plot-line months ago, so no surprise there.
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    Hell was pitiful. How could it be so deserted? How did Sam find Bobby so quickly?
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    Then I can't understand why Crowley who could kill the Winchesters in a second, always lets them live?
    Are they needed for some plan of his because if I was him they would have been dead long ago!
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    Another useless Garth mention just to keep reminding us that he exists! Duh!
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    Now even Bobby rubs in the fact that Sam didn't look and reminds us of the promise that never existed about them looking for each other!
    Why does Sam have to be continually dissed and Dean shown to be the loving caring brother?

    I love both my boys and I hate what these writers have done to the sweet brotherly bond they had!
    As for Benny, he's just too good and angelic to be true. Come on!
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    This episode for me gets a big awful!

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  85. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 08:33

    No but when Dean asked about Sam quitting hunting after he tried to look for him he got a big resounding wall of nothingness as a response - not' yes' not 'I tried but couldn't work out where you were', not anything meaningful that didn't make out 'Nope did nothing', before hitting' everyone was dead, I didn't want to end up that way, I hit a dog, I met a girl.'

    Sam didn't look, Carver gave us naddah on the whole Sam falling apart and when Dean was pissed instead of actually dealing with it Sam's response was basically 'shut up get over it or I walk.'

    And after all of what Sam did to Benny just to run off and leave the guy to the mercy of three vamps even though he was told to...well having Sam at your back, not a sensible option.

    Carver is sure making it easier to hate Sam this season

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  86. ShatteredOne4 April 2013 at 08:38

    Alright, holy crap, for the first time all season (well since Death's Door) I've voted Awesome for an episode. Felt like good ol' Supernatural back from the first 5 seasons. Probably had something to do with Bobby! God I love Bobby, I miss Bobby. Everything Bobby does is awesome. The best episodes since Season 5 ended had to do with Bobby (Weekend at Bobby's, Death's Door, and now Taxi Driver).


    Also glad to see Benny prove his loyalty to his friendship with Dean and go down swinging, first time I've actually liked him so I was glad for that. Poor Kevin at the end. It's been awhile since I've been excited for more Supernatural, more episodes like this and an occasional appearance from Bobby will be good.

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  87. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 08:59

    If she was a liar she's kinda good anyway. Plus a really good rival for Crowley which I had thought and wasn't it funny Bobby and Sam had the same reaction. Bye Bobby R.I.P

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  88. Lilith Hellfire4 April 2013 at 08:59

    It was Naomi getting in his head forcing

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  89. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 09:15

    just awful..........kidding kidding its freakin' awesome
    The episode was really good.
    The dude with the dreads is Metraton?, if that the case he seems very observant therefore handy.
    Great storyline to the trials and it was nice to see Bobby and Sam held up well but at the ending I am a little concerned.
    Dean did the right thing with Benny and his interaction with Naomi was great. I liked the brotherly hug :)
    Benny was great, but will he come back from what Dean said?, possibly. Regardless he was good.
    Naomi is a great rival for Crowley. What she says sounds like good deeds with facts but it will be interesting to know more about her character and maybe other intentions.
    Shame about Kevin!, I hope they will find him soon.

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  90. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 09:25

    Simple way Carver could have sorted that - have Sam go back and help Benny because they were Vamps he was fighting not Levi's. But no, he looked back and whooosh. I'm sorry for all his pep talks this season Sam is sure a selfish SOB and for what whiny vet he dumped?


    At least I get Crowley's motivations or even Dean when he is pushing Kevin too hard.

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  91. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 10:55

    dream but Crowley got 'im

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  92. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 11:09

    You have plenty to say hehe
    Now I disagree with all respect.
    1. Dean was in shock and he cares for Sam.
    2. Crowley gotten smarter with the prophet and he probably wants the boys for his further plans.
    3. Benny has his good and bad but regardless he redeem for past mistakes and proved worthy.
    4. About Sam 'not looking' there will be an explanation eventually and its interesting.
    5. Garth plays an important role, that's sounds funny but he is important.
    6. Bobby is innocence since there is an underlying reason and would it be too difficult to find a pure innocent soul
    7. We seem to get a mix of emotions and story-lines.
    8. The boys have become more mature because they are arguing less and there is no reason to.
    9. The brothers are equal of being caring and having faults.
    10. Carver done a good job!

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  93. Ahnjayla4 April 2013 at 11:53

    If it already has been said I will say it again...............Bobby basically scolded Sam for not looking for Dean..................bravo................Sam is yet to repent for that to Dean which may or may not happen. I for one know these brothers love each other and their hug was a good dose last night. My little brother is down there.....sobbbb I was happy to see Benny and Bobby on screen together since I happen to believe they could pass for father and son............they look so much alike. I will miss them both. I think Benny will be back however...the bones were not burnt and Sam and Dean are on the same page about it! I am weary of Crowley. I love the character/actor but I am tired of him. We need to wrap his job up and send him to hell for good. I was so mad when he made Bobby's spirit go haywire.....pisses me off...I may not trust that Naomi but at least she sent Bobby to heaven. RIP Uncle Bobby! Crowley's role is stale now...ok your the King blah blah blah.....he has great one liners and can deliver them but I am sick of him. I want HUNTING I want BROTHER"S UNITED....I want more BAT-CAVE ...I want CLASSIC ROCK......I want BABY and I want SUPERNATURAL monster of the week. Yes let it be done!

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  94. Ross4 April 2013 at 12:13

    I'm slightly annoyed. If it's that easy for Sam to get to hell, wouldn't he have found out when he tortured those crossroad demons when Dean was in hell a few years ago?

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  95. isleofskye4 April 2013 at 12:35

    With all respect, I disagree with you too.
    X

    I'm not saying Dean doesn't care for Sam; he just seems to show more love for all the others who aren't Sam, from Benny to Kevin.

    X

    The writers can't just give Crowley more powers because they need them to suit their ideas.They should look up the past story-lines of the characters they are writing about and not just invent stuff.

    A little respect for continuity at least!

    X

    Benny at this point has been absolutely useless in the story.
    What was the point of the whole Purgatory story if now we find out that it's as easy as pie to get in and out of Purgatory and Hell?
    It reduces all the pain and anguish the Winchesters went through in the past!
    What's the point of closing the gates of Hell, if there is always going to be a way to smuggle souls in and out!
    X
    Perhaps there will be an explanation for why Sam didn't look for Dean but IMO it's too late now.

    Sam's character has been competely ruined and he's been targeted as the bad brother; worse than anybody else Dean has interaction with.
    X

    Sorry, for me Garth is a terrible character. I hope never to see him again.

    X

    Bobby killed his father.
    I'm sure there are other souls in Hell who haven't killed anyone and so are more innocent. Then how was Bobby in such great condition?

    After all that time in Hell he should have been nearly a demon.

    Dean was only in Hell only for four months yet he couldn't resist the torture while Bobby is fine?
    X
    As for thr boys being more mature because they argue less, I can't agree.

    They have been arguing the whole season from episode one, and for no reason at all except to cause tension and drama between them, cos that's what Carver wanted.
    X
    As for Carver; IMO has done a terrible job.

    He has ruined this show and as the third highest show on the CW, it should get more attention and better writers.
    Carver doesn't even do producer promos; maybe he's just too embarassed with how bad the show has become under his direction.

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  96. rehabber4 April 2013 at 12:39

    Sam did not know where Dean was in Time After Time either, but he looked and figured it out and got him back. Did not have to get Dean back this time, but HE WOULD HAVE LOOKED.

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  97. lala24 April 2013 at 12:41

    I'mw with you. I have long since grown tired of Crowley though I like the actor fine. I was probably the only fan cheering in s6 when Castiel "burned" his bones. I was so happy to see him go up in flames, and was so disappointed to see it was all a ruse.

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  98. rehabber4 April 2013 at 12:52

    So many things wrong here, just to point out a couple..Bobby killed his dad to protect his mother. Dean was upset over Benny because he had to cut off his head for him to get into purgatory.
    I do think we will find out why Sam did not look for Dean, they would not keep bringing it up otherwise.

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  99. lala24 April 2013 at 12:57

    Great post! I think you mentioned all the continuity problems and canon errors.

    I raterd this episode as "Great," and that's b/c I was looking at it as a standalone episode. I no longer expect the awesome episodes we used to get that connected the stories and respected canon. The showrunner doesn't respect canon, so it's no surprise the writers don't either.

    At this point, all I expect are semi-decent to decent episodes. If one goes into "awesome" territory like ATGB or T&F, then that's wonderful! Otherwise, I just hope entertained. This episode did entertain me for the most part. They played fast and loose w/the rule, but I enjoyed all the interactions the actors/characters had so I wasn't too troubled by the inconsistencies

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  100. rehabber4 April 2013 at 12:59

    I really did think Sam was going back to help Benny when he was sucked back to earth. But other than that I do have to agree with you. The first of the season it seemed like Sam was cold and heartless other than to the dog he hit. I really wondered how Dean could go on with him, it was always Sam's way or he would walk. I had reached the point of OK SO GO.

    I am holding out hope that Carver will fix this before the season ends, or for me this season is ruined.

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  101. rehabber4 April 2013 at 13:06

    I don't think that was Metraton, as he told Crowley what was going on with Sam.

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  102. lala24 April 2013 at 13:09

    I know! I felt bad for Jared b/c as an actor, he has to understand his character's motivations and actions. He was probably struggling with this storyline b/c it was so OOC to him, and he wasn't getting any help from the showrunner re: it.
    Jensen expressed similar feelings during the Ben/Lisa fiasco. You'd think the showrunners would realize that Supernatural is NOT the type of show for "romance" beyond one episode but they keep trying!

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  103. chris6844 April 2013 at 13:10

    I'd sworn off the episodes by this pair of writers, as well as Glass (and Thompson is on probation), but I watched this one because it seemed so mytharc heavy. I won't repeat what others have said about the continuity errors. These writers are known for them, so it's expected. I would have liked to think someone was checking their work before it goes onscreen, but apparently that isn't happening.


    But if I were god, this is what I would changed:


    - Skip the Purgatory detour. Its only purpose seemed to be to loop Benny into the story and make what was already a full episode into a super packed one. How about accessing Hell through the Hell gate we were introduced to in season 2? That would have cut a number of the continuity errors. Give the Benny sendoff its own episode to replace one of the fillers.
    - If you're going to finally do something interesting with Sam, and send him back to Hell, for god's sake, make some of the trip about Sam. Make it scarier. Have him interact with a few demons along the way. Make references to his past. And if you decide not to cut the Purgatory detour, how about having Sam interact and find his way out via the monsters that HE cares about, like Madison or Amy, rather than monsters Dean cares about? I don't need for Sam and Benny to become friends. Sam was right to distrust him - he did nothing wrong in investigating Benny - and he'll come to trust Benny when he sees Benny deserves it.
    - Move the Kevin & Naomi/Cas stories to another episode so that you've budgeted enough time to tell at least one decent story.
    - Dean's crime shouldn't be that he's a bad friend. That's not his weakness and it's OOC to portray him as such. His crime in this is that he broke hunters code by releasing a dangerous predator into the world without really knowing whether Benny would start killing innocents or not. That's never been properly addressed. Let's focus on that rather than making Dean continue to chose between Sam and Benny - which only feuds the fan fighting.
    - I thought the Bobby part was more sad (and not in a good way) than anything else. Let the poor guy have some peace and move on after his bones were burned.
    - Finally, if this were any other show where hints were expected to go somewhere, I would think the second comment in three weeks by a supporting character that Sam not looking for Dean doesn't add up would be a prelude to a reveal coming, but I honestly can't tell with this show anymore. It could just as easily be that the writers think the fan reaction toward Sam is funny and are poking fun at us.


    But going in with ridiculously low expectations, I found the episode to be one of the more enjoyable ones of the season.

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  104. isleofskye4 April 2013 at 13:11

    But Bobby's father wasn't killing her just then.
    It wasn't the first time his father had used violence on his mother. In any case it's still wrong to kill.

    There was bound to be some more innocent soul in Hell.
    X

    Not that I'm particularly fond of him, but Adam is still down there. The Cage is part of Hell after all.
    He is truly an innocent soul.It would have been nice for the brothers to free him and send him up to heaven to be with his mother.
    X

    Dean didn't have to cut off Benny's head .He could have sent him into Purgatory the way he sent Sam via the rogue reaper.
    The whole scene was just set up for some Dean/Benny angst.
    X

    It was far more dangerous for Sam to go into Hell than Benny into Purgatory, but Sam didn't get the same emotional send-off from Dean!

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  105. rehabber4 April 2013 at 13:11

    YES, YES, and YES..I want all of those things too.

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  106. isleofskye4 April 2013 at 13:19

    Yeah, Bobby really rubbed it by saying that sSm should have ignored the 'not to look' promise

    ( that never existed anyway ) and of course as usual Sam doesn't get to have an answer. He has to stand there like an idiot and take everything that's thrown at him !

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  107. spnrules14 April 2013 at 13:56

    Completely agree with you about the references of why Sam did not look for Dean. We keep hearing about it more and more. Something happened with Sam. I really hope that we get to see what exactly went on. I keep thinking he had some sort of breakdown or he was manipulated without knowing it happened.

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  108. spnrules14 April 2013 at 13:57

    I was so excited to see that Sam got those interactions with both Bobby and Benny. Those were some great scenes between them.

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  109. spnrules14 April 2013 at 14:04

    I was happy that Sam finally told Dean that he understood why he was friends with Benny and that he was okay with Dean not burning Benny's bones.

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  110. spnrules14 April 2013 at 14:18

    I loved the fact that we finally got to see Sam interact with other characters instead of stepping outside. I thought Sam's scenes with Bobby and Benny were so good. Even after that I believe we need more of Sam's POV going on.

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  111. percysowner4 April 2013 at 14:19

    And I think they are reminding us so we can eventually hate Sam and cheer Dean to turn against him. Any reset will be too little too late.

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  112. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 14:22

    I meant the guy with the hoodie watching them and his eyes went black. I'm editing myself what the chances he's a demon from Crowley?.

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  113. Black In Black Trickster '954 April 2013 at 14:33

    Well I won't grab my holy water ha.
    You got your opinions fair enough. I'm the opposite of pretty much all your points. I think the story been great and guest characters are ok and the writers been good.
    I don't think its late for Sam explanation and I stand by he did look for Dean!, he could feel guilty because he haven't been able to. I guess Bobby's strong-headed to the demon thing and he ultimately deserve to get out of hell.
    We got disagreements but we're still fans at the end of the day :)

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  114. sdwhiskey4 April 2013 at 14:43

    So ... Dean disappears after sending Dick to Purgatory and Sam doesn't lift a finger to look for him, yet apparently all he had to do was to summon a crossroad's demon (which he's done before - TWICE), torture him to find out about the rogue reaper who can access Purgatory, and then a mere 24 HOURS LATER, Sam could have found Dean and saved him. DONE. But instead, Sam was ... "living the good life", eating organic apples, smelling the roses, and playing house with Amelia. Ugh.


    With the exception of Dean & Benny's scene (good job by Jensen & Ty), this episode was awful, IMO. Sam goes to Purgatory (of course he does) and just wonders along by himself, no Leviathans or monster threats, and waltzes right into the portal to Hell? Okay. And then, we have Hell, or rather, a dark tunnel with some cages. And Sam just opens the door - which is UNLOCKED?? - and finds Bobby right away. And Bobby looks ... fine, really. He's not being tortured or having his skin torn off his body strip by strip or chained with hooks in his arms... Nope. He's been in Hell for A YEAR, and he seems perfectly fine. Alrighty then.



    And with only a couple of guards, Sam & Bobby easily escape HELL, and make their way back to Purgatory, which doesn't look very foreboding or scary now. I'm sure Sam was thinking Dean was just being a big baby about the whole thing. Oh sure, there are a couple of nasties who attack them at the end, but they still easily get out. And Bobby seemed far less angry at Sam for not looking for Dean then he did with Dean for befriending a vamp. A vamp who saved their ass, by the way, but whatever, Bobby.



    And what was Dean's role in all of this? Well Sam told him that he couldn't go with him to save Bobby. Sam didn't need Dean's help. So, since Sam wasn't around for Dean to cook for, he instead cooks for Kevin. That's apparently Dean's role in the mytharc -- cook. He really is Samwise.


    Obviously Naomi is keeping a close eye on Dean and trying to manipulate him to get Cas back. Hopefully it won't work, but since Dean was willing to sacrifice Benny in order to save Sam, I guess the writers could do the same with Cas if it involved saving Sam. *shrug*


    I was hoping that after being in Purgatory, Sam would actually apologize to Dean for not looking for him. Of course that didn't happen. He didn't even apologize for Benny, just "well MAYBE he's different than I thought...". He was Dean's friend and he sacrificed his life to save you, Sam. Whatever.


    I do think Kevin was hallucinating Crowley even at the end because the windows were not broken when Sam and Dean entered the room. [And I didn't like that Sam just waved off Kevin's concerns about his hallucinations because, hello Sam! You also dealt with hallucinations so how about sharing that with Kevin??]. I've seen it speculated that it's Naomi who's inducing Kevin's hallucinations. And I still can't figure out who/what Crowley is. He seems far too powerful to be a demon.


    So, Sam successfully completed another trial, survived Purgatory, and did what it took GARRISONS of Angels to do with Dean and single-handedly saved Bobby from Hell. Sam did it all.



    And Dean made breakfast.

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  115. rehabber4 April 2013 at 15:00

    Metraton is the guy writing God's words, so don't think he is a demon, but that guy watching Sam and Reaper was a demon.

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  116. sdwhiskey4 April 2013 at 15:00

    Well at least Sam got a hug immediately after he returned from Purgatory! It's more than Dean got. And I suggest you watch again, but it was a very emotional and tight hug by Dean, which showed IMO just how very much he cares for Sam.


    But Dean is allowed to care for others as well. That doesn't take away from how much he cares about Sam.

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  117. sdwhiskey4 April 2013 at 15:02

    No the rogue reaper was dead, so Dean couldn't send Benny in that way.


    And Dean offered to go with Sam to Hell, but Sam refused his help. And Sam could have shown some emotion toward Dean, but he didn't either.

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  118. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 15:10

    Right now I'd actually just settle for a simple 'I'm sorry, I was a complete dick about not looking and I was an even worse one for getting pissy about you being angry about it'. If Carver simply gives us X kept Sam from looking I think I'm going to throw up because his whole clinging to the agreement thing if that happens just makes Sam look even more weak.


    Cas could stop beating Dean when Dean pleads with him after being mind screwed by Naomi, Bobby could hold off a demon when Dean asked and yes Sam can hold off Lucifer when Dean is in front of him if Dean isn't physically in front of him a bad guy can stop Sam from trying to care for the person he jumped in the pit for?

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  119. shouichi4 April 2013 at 15:13

    "he just seems to show more love for all the others who aren't Sam, from Benny to Kevin"

    LoL. Though I wanna see Dean loves Sam only, but that was a prove that Dean is still a human, he care for other people too.

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  120. shouichi4 April 2013 at 15:16

    LoL. What's wrong with Super Sam Show? Why do you want Dean always be a hero while the main character here ARE Sam Dean?

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  121. rehabber4 April 2013 at 15:22

    I have always been a brothers fan, that love is what got me hooked on the show, but this year, I have not liked Sam very much and that bothers me...a lot. Even when Sam was soulless or on Demon blood, I could understand where he was coming from, but this season..nothing. Ran, hit dog, met girl just does not cut it for me.

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  122. poptart_of_doom4 April 2013 at 15:25

    you know how he would work out if dean and cas were alive? by looking.


    that train of thought only works in season 1-2 before mystery spot before it was shown that even if you are full on dead you can be brought back. this is season 8 and sam should've known better than to just take them not being in the room as proof of them being dead. let alone castiel who he has watched explode and melt into black goo then show up again.


    and since this episode just made getting into hell and purgatory a cake walk it's twice as messed up that sam didn't bother to look cause it took a day for him get bobby and get out.


    the fact that he left kevin with crowley is beyond fudged up because sam just spent two seasons dealing with the fallout of him being tortured in hell/the cage. so he just leaves this kid with the king of hell... and doesn't even feel bad about it until dean starts in on him.

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  123. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 15:40

    I'm the same as you and this year Sam has gone ...well I like everyone else but feel absolutely no empathy for Sam. Whenever he was off before I got why, whether that be souless, mad, on demon blood or just hating John but right now no.


    But saying that as much as I don't want it to be ran hit dog etc any sudden Sam was the victim of someone else stopping him from getting Dean and in the last episode he'll sacrifice himself and his idea idea of getting back to normal as a penance would feel like a bit of like a let down and will be born out of Carver realising we didn't buy the coldness and bratness of his so called mature Sam from the first half of the season rather than an actual evolution of the story.

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  124. C P4 April 2013 at 15:43

    She tried getting Cas to kill Dean and got him to kill Samandriel. To me she's evil. lol

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  125. Thirty4 April 2013 at 15:58

    The two of them knew about Hell since before the show started. Purgatory is late season six. Even if you have proof that the close of season seven was not Dean/Cas being killed, what do you do about it?


    It's one thing to have someone come back and work out that you can get in. It's another to work out how to get in when you have the end of season seven info.

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  126. Thirty4 April 2013 at 16:02

    Simple. They happened to get a hold of a cupcake. No one back then would have given it up.

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  127. poptart_of_doom4 April 2013 at 16:04

    you know with the way they've been telling sam's story this year it's like if you didn't already love him you'd hate him.

    plus when i was yelling from the rafters that i wanted sam to have his own story that allowed him to be connected to the mytharc, dean, and the supporting/one off characters i didn't mean for them to just hand dean's story off onto to sam gdi.

    why couldn't they have used this second task to finally delve into sam pov of hell? not memories using another character to tell us what happened (hallucifer) but sam himself. why not have the reaper tell him that you could find bobby by connecting with his spirit through memories (as reapers seemed to do a la bobby's death episode)? have them connect sam and bobby through some character building memories between them.

    or have the fact that sam was supposed to the boy king allow him better capabilities in traveling through hell. sort of have the reaper try and give advice but sam seems to know these things already. or have that one demon that possessed sam's college friend show up and he be the link to finding bobby through him wanting a ticket out with bobby. something sam related and not just sam moving the damn plot forward with no character growth to go along with it.

    why couldn't they have tried to salvage his character from not looking by having the ease of getting into hell bring about some on screen discussion about why he didn't try in the first place? him not looking is bad but every "bad" choice on this show can be redeemable if given context and emotional reasoning. even if it was a "bobby i couldn't. i just couldn't. if i looked and he was really gone i just couldn't deal with it after luficer nearly stomped my brains in last year. but now, seeing how there was a way to get him out i'm wondering why i ever thought i couldn't in the first place."

    but instead the writers seemed to have said, "well everyone seemed to have liked the purgatory bits so we'll just give the same basic plot point to sam but do it in one episode who cares how much of the canon we twist and forget to do so. let's throw in a brother hug and hopefully people won't look too hard at the plot."

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  128. sharonally4 April 2013 at 17:17

    Really so Sam should of gone back and risked himself and a chance to get Bobby out to help Benny who had made his mind up and Sam is a selfish SOB. And what exactly is he supposed to say? I thought he was correct to be suspicious of Benny and in my book he doesnt have to say sorry for that , him not looking is about as confusing as all the different things both Bobby and Dean make up in telling Sam what he should of and shouldnt of being doing and then changing their minds again. But hey what is Sam not there for but to be called all the name's under the sun for everything really .

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  129. sharonally4 April 2013 at 18:00

    Sam played no part in Benny feeling like he didnt belong . That was something Benny was feeling without Sam and there is the fact Benny is responsible for Benny you are putting the onus on Sam to paint Benny as a victim. Benny took on 3 vamps which wasnt hard for him so that Sam could get out and take Bobby with him that was the point .Benny is not Bambi he is a seasoned survivour who knew what he was doing and what he wanted . Now you can wank all you want to make Sam the bad guy it isnt hard with the non discript writing Sam has had but on this I think you are wrong . People often say Sam should take responsibilty for his actions or decisions and they should extend that to others including Benny and not put the ONUS on Sam and make him responsible for others choices.

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  130. João Paulo4 April 2013 at 18:00

    Awesome episode, but ok I agree with you guys Sam escape so easy from the Hell and the Purgatory. So the episode have such a good mithology and great scenes between Sam, Dean, Naomi, Kevin and Crowley. The final scene between Sam and Dean was great, but the confrotation between Naomi and Crowley was good too.


    Plus: Excellent scene between Dean and Benny.

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  131. K.Mac4 April 2013 at 19:24

    It really doesn't make much sense. These particular writers never really do.

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  132. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 19:35

    No Benny is not Bambi and he made his own choices but what exactly was the message he was supposed to get when Dean called to tell him to run because Sam was coming over and what exactly was Benny's choices when it came to Martin going after his granddaughter?

    They contributed to Benny feeling disconnected and his reasoning and if Sam had any empathy left he'd have gotten that and him trying to help Benny wouldn't have painted Benny as a victim but Sam as a human being trying to make up for the wrong he did or at least fully admitting he was wrong about Benny in the car would have helped with that.

    Carver has done a number on Sam and sorry he hasn't done much to show that is going to change anytime soon.

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  133. sharonally4 April 2013 at 21:03

    We cant change what they did the first half of the season nor can I speak for the general viewer. Sam looks bad for breathing on this show however that wasnt the point of that scene. Benny had decided to stay Sam wasnt leaving him behind and there was no way he could force Benny to come , he threw Benny the blade and got out of there .


    I assume the portal is open for a x amount of time he had Bobby to think of and the trials now if some take that scene ands call Sam selfish over it then I dont know what to say except I dont agree. The damage done Sam was done 4 seasons ago one scene like this isnt going to make much difference and I just dont see Sam has being selfish and abandoning Benny in this instance esp for a vampire that had decided Purgatory was where he wanted to be.

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  134. poptart_of_doom4 April 2013 at 21:46

    yes, you can't change what happened but you also can't ignore that it did. episode 8.19 sam is the culmination of every episode that comes before it from the pilot till now. it shapes how one views his actions and that plays a big role in how even small scenes can be interpreted.



    i don't think he was selfish. i do think he had no other options. this wasn't like dean where him choosing to stay with castiel to fight off levithans would means just mean can't get out. sam was carrying the weight of completing the second trail and sending bobby on to heaven on his shoulders and him getting stuck was not an option for him.


    what i do think is that the writers should've framed that scene in a way that put THAT at the forefront. that highlight the rock and hard place that sam found himself in and that also allowed an avenue for him to later express regret/fuller understanding of why dean trusted benny. but that's what happens when you cram 3 episodes worth of plot into one 45 min episode.


    i don't mind sam being wrong so long as he learns and grows from it. and this would've been one of those moments. but they chose to just have him leave and shrug it off basically which pissed on any possible character development on sam's part from that whole to do.

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  135. Indy4 April 2013 at 22:00

    Why is everyone complaining?:/ I loved this episode!

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  136. fazziemodo4 April 2013 at 22:16

    Exactly they didn't frame it like Sam was between a complete rock and hard place, then they compounded it with the half arsed regret/understanding. Benny comes off as the hero and Sam...well not so much.

    It pisses on Sam even further than we've seen already because I completely agree they shouldn't crammed so much stuff into one episode, especially seeing how it was preceeded by the one with the kids and is followed by the one with Charlie that also looks like filler. They should have done a two parter at least.

    But instead they made hell and purgatory look like a cake walk so making both Sam and Dean look like wimps for suffering during their time there and they made Sam look like a tube because he has again had no real growth while being told he was wrong about one thing and being shown he was wrong about another.

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  137. poptart_of_doom4 April 2013 at 23:32

    yeah, a lot of the fallout of making purgatory and hell so easy to access in this episode comes down on sam due to the first half of the season. because dean didn't spend his time in purgatory floundering about. he had a mission "find cas and then get everyone home". so his time there had an actual purpose that furthered his development. sam, it seems, just ended up with more people hating on him because of how easy his time there was.


    because even the most skeptical are willing to cut sam slack because it's purgatory... it's not like he could've gotten in without some serious luck in finding a back door. er, wrong. this ep made it so easy in fact it just highlight how easy it could've been for sam to get dean out.


    which pisses me off since now it will take some big huge retconny explanation to ever get sam back on even footing.

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  138. fazziemodo5 April 2013 at 00:34

    That's the thing for me though, I said it else where in the thread it has been dragged out so long that any retcon of why Sam didn't look is just going to look like Carver trying to dig himself out of a hole because we didn't take to Amelia and Sam's fantasy life.


    For me all that it would take to get Sam back on an even footing is an actual apology and some growth. Not trials, not dragging Dean to the end of the tunnel, I'd even take a 'I didn't look because I didn't want to' and him taking the fallout for it and the rest of his behaviour if any redemption involves him acting in real ways that shows us that he isn't a tube rather than a grand gesture and then back to be insular Sam who holds on the his rationals while we wait for the next cock up. I'd take that over huge retcon that it is all Naomi or Crowley's fault.


    What doesn't help in this episode is the sledgehammer of Bobby chewing Sam out for not looking, Sam saying about the agreement and before he can get in answer Bobby Benny appears saying Dean (who is still on earth) sent him to get them out not too long after they didn't return with the reaper.

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  139. lala25 April 2013 at 01:24

    But Benny, clearly, wanted to die. Sam cut his arm and told Benny to "hop in." Benny CHOSE to not do it. What should Sam have done? Grabbed Benny and forced him to return? Even though that is NOT what Benny wanted?
    Sam looked back. He wanted to help Benny but he had to get Bobby released and complete the trial.

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  140. lala25 April 2013 at 01:28

    Exactly! I just posted something similar.
    For some, Sam will never do the right thing. He will always be wrong. If that's how they feel, that's how they feel but the scene w/Dean and Benny, clearly, showed that Benny was not happy on Earth. I was not shocked that he didn't hitch a ride w/Sam b/c we learned from his talk w/Dean that he didn't feel he belonged anywhere.
    There was nothing Sam could do for Benny, but for some, Sam will always be in the wrong and selfish. Oh well.

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  141. poptart_of_doom5 April 2013 at 02:01

    it's not about what sam should've done as i said it was a rock and hard place situation. what benny wanted or not is irrelevant to sam in the context of my comment.

    what i find problematic is the way they have been framing sam in these scenes where it should be a jumping off point for him to have some kind of reaction to bring the viewers into his point of view.

    the scene could've happened the exact same way but putting the focus leading up to that on framing the weight of sam's task, the opening of his eyes to what dean meant about benny, highlighting his change of opinion, and really showing benny from sam's pov changes the way the scene and sam are framed. and thus when he cuts his arm there is weight to the action, there is subtextual meaning behind him being willing to bring benny along that has nothing to do with benny and everything to do with sam. because he wants to bring him back because he was wrong about him. there would be a note of second chances between them.

    so that when sam gets out and is talking about how benny didn't come along it doesn't read as some casual "well he wasn't such a bad guy" but show SAM having a moment of growth and possibly trying to reach out to dean as well through his own pov of benny fueling his regret at how things played out.

    what happened in that exact moment isn't really the problem. it's the way sam is framed overall with little to no emotional pov so when things like this happen he comes across (to some, not me) as "selfish" or "cold".

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  142. Black In Black Trickster '955 April 2013 at 02:13

    Its clear

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  143. ZoeF5 April 2013 at 03:36

    The fact that Dean loves Sam more than anyone or anything is the only canon truth the show hasn't effed with yet.

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  144. D Fink5 April 2013 at 06:11

    I love how fans hate Sam for not looking for Dean, but if Dean had really tried to get Sam out of the cage when he ended up there with Michael and Lucifer, he would have found a way somehow. Dean basically just settled in with Lisa and Ben and looked in a few books to try get Sam out. Why didn't Dean try to contact Death at that time or try other things? Sam had no one to help him and Dean made Sam so co-dependent on him for the last couple of years, that Sam probably didn't know what to do anymore.
    I love how the writers have completely forgotten that Sam spent over a year and a half in Hell and Sam knows nothing about it now. It's like they want to forget that Sam spent that much time suffering as opposed to poor Dean suffering in Purgatory with his two good buddies Benny and Castiel. When Sam was suffering in hell he was all alone apparently because he's never mentioned Adam at all.
    I couldn't stand the way Dean talked to Kevin. Like suck it up and be like the rest of his in our misery. It's your lot in life. That's easy for him to say. He's been a hunter and had to deal with that crap his whole life, while Kevin had a normal life that he lost and wants back. Hunting and supernatural crap is Dean's whole life.
    It was nice Sam got a few scenes with Bobby after how many years now of watching mostly Dean and Bobby.
    Loved Amanda Tapping as Naomi. Love the character and she's the best female character I've seen on the show since Bela and Ruby.

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  145. prpleight5 April 2013 at 06:49

    I kind of join you in the minority of not cursing Sam for not looking for Dean. My problem was the woefully uninteresting "story" they gave us to explain or rather illustrate why.

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  146. MontyFree5 April 2013 at 06:54

    So just because he hasn't explained himself he's a jerk? I'm sorry but that's dumb.

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  147. MontyFree5 April 2013 at 06:55

    Waiting for you to start sending death threats to Jared and his son....typical of a Sam hater.

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  148. MontyFree5 April 2013 at 06:55

    Shocking from a Cas stan

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  149. prpleight5 April 2013 at 07:07

    I love that the two theories I got in response were on opposite ends of the spectrum.

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  150. comicfangirl5 April 2013 at 08:25

    "Carver doesn't even do producer promos"

    Oh really? Then and who is that in those producer promos for season 8?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A_h0KKTVLk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaLQHB53yzw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64wvRbJLu0E
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0g98BcSWIM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxPdSGfKSCU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iuSk0ASYWM

    OMG that's Jeremy Carver doing producer promos. :) :) For season 8.

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  151. fazziemodo5 April 2013 at 09:42

    Sorry?


    I'm explaining why at present I connect more to a vampire that the lead of the show and this disconnect has dragged on all the season.

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  152. fazziemodo5 April 2013 at 09:51

    Where the hell did that come into this.

    I have never once complained about Jared's acting. I don't think him and Jensen are in the same league at the mo but that is because he is being stuck pulling faces and looking like he is one step from stamping his foot when he gets pulled up on something..


    But they could get away with that when he was 22 but he is 30 now and making him pull faces like he did when Bobby pulled him up about not looking just makes him look pathetic and weak because for 19 episodes when someone brings up Sam's behaviour that is what he does while Sam stubbornly holds onto his reasoning.

    This rut they have gotten into where Jensen gets the more emotional arc where as Jared gets the myth one limits him because I want to see Sam have real emotional growth that he hasn't had in a while. It would let Jared get to do something different - grow as a human Sam, not one tainted by anything else.



    As for suggesting about bringing the death threats and Jared and his baby into this, that is sick!!!

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  153. sharonally5 April 2013 at 09:56

    I know they wear it all over their posts here there everywhere and it isnt a argument I really wanted to get into but there was nothing selfish in anything Sam did in this episode .And you cant simply take the Benny factor out of the equation to excuse a need to accuse Sam of selfishness and abandoning the vampire. t

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  154. isleofskye5 April 2013 at 10:12

    As he has the same clothes on in each one, I presume he did them all on the same day.
    All six clips put together don't last more than six minutes! Not very much to illustrate an entire season!

    Not exactly tiring himself out, is he?
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    Just as he isn't bothering too much with what his team of writers are putting out for public consumption; contiuity cancelled completely; rehashed ideas and trashing of all the pain and suffering the brothers have gone through in the past.
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    Garrisons of angels have been slaughtered to pull Dean out of Hell according to canon, yet Sam strolls in as nice as you please and quickly finds Bobby there waiting for him, all smiles and puppies.
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    To open up Purgatory, spells, blood and a full moon were needed, yet there too it turns out as easy as pie to get into: not to mention that Sam carelessly leaves the gateway from Hell to Purgatory open. Really!

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  155. rehabber5 April 2013 at 11:54

    How do you make the leap from not liking the way the character Sam is portrayed to sending death threats to the actor??? Weird much!! Is this your way of thinking?

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  156. sharonally5 April 2013 at 11:58

    Because they spend alot of time telling us Sam's story through other people esp Dean then expect us to understand Sam with no problem.

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  157. lsbloom5 April 2013 at 13:05

    I don't mind either of the boys not succeeding at saving the other from hell or purgatory. But I do mind Sam not trying and not having a rationale for it and therefore constantly getting yelled at for it. And the easier they make it to get into hell and purgatory, the more they make those lost years feel like failures to save each other instead of insurmountable obstacles.


    I do agree that Dean's "pep talk" to Kevin was ridiculous and directly contributed to his going AWOL. I'm having visions of the king of hell taunting me isn't a "suck it up" kinda thing. It's a "what's wrong with our warding" kinda of thing.

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  158. lala25 April 2013 at 15:47

    That's how I saw it too. He looked back and said, "Benny." I think he was going to go back to help Benny but the portal absorbed him or whatever.



    In any event, Sam offered his body to Benny, and Benny rejected him. I am not sure how that is being twisted into Sam being selfish. How was he selfish? He offered his body to take Benny back through. Benny didn't want to go. I know some like to hate on Sam, but at least hate on him for stuff that he actually did wrong.

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  159. lala25 April 2013 at 15:50

    I know! I am not sure why they write this way for Sam. Things were much more balanced in Seasons 1-3 with Season 1 being the most balanced. Sam was very talkative. Now, he says nothing to anyone.



    I'm sick of getting Sam's perspective through other characters. I want to know what Sam thinks from Sam. It's not that difficult.

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  160. lala25 April 2013 at 15:52

    I caught that too! I was like, "Sam push the rock back up so the doorway isn't left open," but I guess the writer(s) didn't think that was important!

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  161. lala25 April 2013 at 16:00

    Clearly, they put too much into this one episode. It was rushed and felt that way. There was no time for Sam to reflect on anything let alone on Benny choosing to stay behind in Purgatory.



    One would have thought Sam would have been more scared and/or cautious about returning to Hell, but he wasn't. One would have thought Sam would have fought more while in Purgatory, but he didn't. One would have thought it would have been difficult to locate Bobby or to even open his cage/cell, but it wasn't. One would have thought Sam & Bobby would have had to fight a bit more to escape Hell, but they didn't. Heck, one would have thought Sam would have put the rock back so Hell wasn't wide open to Purgatory, but he didn't.



    They pushed too much in one episode. There was literally no time to do what you wanted (i.e., to have Sam come to the realization that Benny was okay and fine). For that to occur, we would have needed to see, IMO, Sam and Benny interact in more than one episode. The writers didn't use Benny properly. The actor was good, and the character was interesting but he was solely used to cause some unnecessary conflict btw the brothers. From the way Benny was used by these writers, what you wanted to see happen was never going to happen as there was no time to do that.

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  162. DumbGirl Frd5 April 2013 at 18:20

    Thanks for replying :) I didn't think anyone would read my comment since it's soooo long. the episode is enjoyable I think, at least we get a little bit of everything( Naomi, Kevin, Crowley, Benny even Booby), and the actors were amazing as usual, for me, better than a lot of episodes.
    As for the canon problem, I understand that the show gone for eight season long, sometimes writers really need to break a few rules to keep the story going, and I am completely ok with Carver disrepecting any season 6 and 7 sera gamble bullcrap, but when Carver starts to ignore the rules he set in just a few episodes before, this is a really big problem.
    And I start to think these canon consistencies/ self-refuting plots is the reason why the rating of filler episodes are often higher than the heavy story arc episodes. Coz new viewers would be confused, can't figure out what happen, thus stops them from watching. While they can easily follow what happened in the filler episodes, so even last week we got 1.0 but this week is just a mere 0.8.

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  163. María Vegas5 April 2013 at 20:24

    Well, Dean knew the way out, as did Benny.

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  164. lala25 April 2013 at 21:55

    No problem! You wrote a good comment!



    I think the show should have a written document w/all this mythology noted down. That way, there wouldn't be so many glaring errors. In a show this mythology heavy, someone should be the "consistency" person/tracker.

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  165. Dahne5 April 2013 at 22:43

    They already have.

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  166. Dahne5 April 2013 at 23:02

    1. Especially given that Crowley knew the rogue reaper who was getting people into Purgatory and didn't seem surprised that there was a portal to hell from Purgatory so he probably could have gone that way through his own domain.
    2. Since neither the writers nor Jeremy Carver decided to look up their own canon. Although in fairness, we've never heard if Purgatory time is wonky so maybe they decided that was enough to mitigate the timeline issues.
    3. You are correct again. Even more disturbing is why Death, the most powerful being on this show, had to create another eclipse, therefore screwing with the forces of nature when he abhors screwing with the natural order of things. It seems he could have just gotten one of his reapers to open the door. Furthermore if these really are rogue reapers, who the heck wants to mess with Death? Shouldn't these guys be terrified of ticking him off?
    4. This one I'll give the writers. It is possible that Crowley only turned part of hell into a big line. We know there are other parts of hell like the cage.
    5A. The brothers used to be in character and heroes too. Now they are whatever the writer of the time want them to be canon and characterization be damned.
    5B. Why on earth would God make it so only one person can do the trials anyway? What happens if the one person dies? Does that mean the gates can never be closed? Is it a one time only deal? If not, it makes no sense that one person has to do all of them. It's silly, divisive, and badly plotted. I also agree that doing the trails without knowing all of them is idiotic. What if there is a time requirement in the Crowley part of the tablet that says you only have a month to finish them all? More importantly, why could Kevin translate the Leviathan tablet without any problems but all of a sudden he can't do the demon one. They are all presumably written by Metatron in the same language. Besides slowing the mytharc to an absolute crawl, it makes no sense.
    6. The first half made even less sense than this half and this half has made no sense at all in the context of Supernatural history.

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  167. keithfan6 April 2013 at 00:36

    I thought it was another fantastic episode on Wednesday and wasn't just great to see our beloved Bobby again after so long?! I had no idea that the reaper took him to Hell by way of Crowley, but it was great of Sam to get him on his way to Heaven. I just wish that Dean could have seen him just one more time. I agree, the Sam and Dean hug and the Bobby and Sam hugs were the best, too!

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  168. March Blue6 April 2013 at 06:07

    Who cares about Benny?

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  169. March Blue6 April 2013 at 06:08

    Except purgatory wasn't shown to be very challenging at all

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  170. isleofskye6 April 2013 at 07:25

    Can I just add about Bobby.

    Balthazar told Robo-Sam in season six, that to commit patricde 'scared and polluted' the vessel. Bobby committed patricide so how can he be classed as an innocent soul.

    We have always been told that crossroad deals can't be broken, so I can't understand how Bobby ended up in Hell.

    Does Crowley have power over the whole of creation now?
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    Or what about the fact that Alastair needed Death's Scythe to kill a reaper in the ghost dimension and, that ep was written by Carver; or Naomi killing off tons of angels to get Castiel out of Purgatory when she knew about the back door!


    What are the possibilities that Sam enters Hell and finds Bobby in an unlocked cell a couple of yards from where he entered? Then why would Crowley keep presenting him with Sam and Dean as 'torture'?

    Wouldn't the sight of his father, mother, Karen his wife or even Rufus, be more painful?


    Of course the writers don't even realise when they are making plot-holes as big as Canada so the little things like these are going to be completely ignored.
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    I'm not saying they have to remember everything but they are paid to be professionals and in any job, sloppiness is a bad thing.
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    Then I cant believe that Sam left the hell gate open; he 's not that careless ( well oriiginal Sam wasn't ). Sooner or later souls from either side will find their way through but maybe that is what is meant to happen.

    If one should make a list of all the trashing of canon that went on in this episode, it would be never-ending.
    I see that Carver is writing the last episode, Sacrifice. I wonder who gets to be the 'hero'

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  171. rehabber6 April 2013 at 12:37

    I liked Benny much better than Charlie or Krissy, and hope he shows up again.

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  172. lala26 April 2013 at 15:01

    Well, remember, the plan was always to bring on the Apocalypse so that's why they wouldn't have rescued Dean until he broke the first seal. I don't believe Castiel was aware of this, but Zachariah was.

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  173. Lissie_Bee6 April 2013 at 16:21

    True, but I'm choosing to believe he encountered more than we actually saw while he was down there... and I do think that the writers could have planned that a little better. But it also built a bit of a bridge between Sam and Dean on the whole Benny issue, which was good. That's one less thing for them to angst over now that Sam sees why Dean trusted him.

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  174. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 01:56

    yes sam's time in hell that other year was more F'nd up then dean's time in purgatory so maybe they should put deanin the same part of hell were sam so he can know what it was really like so he can know what pain is really god purgatory what a F-ing joke.

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  175. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 02:35

    REALLY? WOW this is just pissing off right now really. I am getting so sick of the sam hate right now I could scream It am sick of it I am sick of dean taking away sam normal life again I am sick of benny and dean chosing a vampire over his bother I am sick of this season caver you fucking suck dean should have never came back there I said it and I am just sick of this show right now.

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  176. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 02:48

    when did this show stop being about killing evil things oh right when dean becomes friends with them but not sam right? we have to kill IT THE DEAN SHOW forgot about that. I am really getting sick of this shit right now.

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  177. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 02:58

    so what pissed me of they was in the car and all they talked about was benny WTF? did dean ever care what the 2nd thing is doing to sam no not a damn thing WOW that love give me a break.

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  178. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 03:01

    bye making him a dick I can get buy that.

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  179. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 03:14

    I say GOODBYE BENNY and do not let the door hit you in the ass when you leave. AND I AM SICK OF THE SAM NOT LOOKING FOR DEAN THING AGAIN! I would not look for someone who Fnd up my life. why should he.

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  180. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 03:21

    you are so right I gave you a up on that one.

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  181. Kerinda Hartson7 April 2013 at 03:26

    hey kevin ran no one is pissing on him or calling him selfish for leaving why is that.

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  182. lsbloom7 April 2013 at 03:38

    Thanks for the help.
    1. He could! He could be harnessing all those souls right now, but he has conveniently forgotten that goal apparently. Plus, closing the gates (do reapers even use gates?) to Hell would be even less effective cause he could just scoot out through purgatory. Which I guess brings up the problem they still haven't addressed--if you close the doors/gates whatever to heaven and hell where do the souls go? Do we have that answered yet?
    2. I think Purgatory time is similar to real time because they seemed to be correlated this season, but I'm not sure if it has been said explicitly. However, I'm pretty sure that Hell time is totes different. I guess it didn't matter to the plot because you get more Hell time than regular time, but it felt like they just ignored something that has been important in both the brothers' life stories.
    3. Do you know which episode they had reapers dying in? (That's rhetorical, you know EVERYTHING!)
    4. I like the idea that Crowley has different parts of hell. Maybe some people are on hold with customer service somewhere.
    5B. I know! Why so drawn out in such a silly manner. I don't mind legit obstacles, but why start something dangerous before you know what you are getting into?

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  183. Dahne7 April 2013 at 07:42

    1. Hey they've dumbed down everyone else. It's Crowley's turn I guess. I doubt they will tell us what happens to souls because that would be a big gaping plot hole filled and you know how Carver and crew love their plot holes. I think they are using them to create IRS tax-free condos.
    2. Perhaps Purgatory goes the exact same amount of time slower that hell goes faster and therefore, viola no time problem. Well except those pesky first episodes of season 8. Best to throw those out.
    3. Death Takes a Holiday. I appreciate the compliment but I'm afraid I have no idea what the hell is going on this season and no amount of rewatching is going to fix that.
    4. BWAH!!! That really would be hell. If you don't mind, I'm going to steal this idea.
    5B. Legitimate obstacles are harder to write???

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  184. sdwhiskey12 April 2013 at 16:03

    Well Dean gave Sam a HUGE hug after he returned from Purgatory, so that was the time he was going to check to make sure Sam was okay. In addition the very FIRST thing Dean asked Sam in the car was if he was okay, and Sam said "yeah." So yes, DEAN CARES ABOUT SAM.

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  185. lala28 April 2014 at 03:38

    Well, it's good Dean stayed behind otherwise, all three would have been trapped in Purgatory and then what?

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  186. Ereth Reetnith8 April 2014 at 03:38

    ok if there's a back door to hell via purgatory why did the angels spend 40 years fighting in hell to get to Dean? they could have hired a rogue ripper and be done with it in 24 hours. Dean wouldn't have broken under torture, first seal wouldn't have broken...

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  187. fazziemodo8 April 2014 at 03:38

    He can be suspicious of Benny but the lengths his behaviour went to Citizen Fang went to the point where he was complicit in restraining Dean before going off intent to behead the guy because he was pissed that Dean trusted Benny more. That went from being right about being suspicious and took the whole packet of digestives.


    Sam played a part in Benny's decision to leave his family as Martin wouldn't have know Benny existed if it wasn't for Sam, he played a part in the reason why Benny doesn't feel like he has no place on earth. Benny sacrificed himself and yes Sam was told to go but he had time to look back and see Benny overpowered,by only three vamps not 300 but the portal wasn't going anywhere so he could have tried to help to make up for his actions against Benny as it does Benny no good to sit in the car and say Benny isn't exactly what he thought he was.after what Benny did for him. Instead he can at least say 'Dean I'm sorry, I see now I was wrong about Benny.'


    As for him not looking - it is like Bobby said, it is a non agreement. It is something you agree too but you know you wouldn't follow through on when push comes to shove. If the agreement was something to be held onto Dean shouldn't have gone to Benny, he should have just left Sam in purgatory and continued making eggs for Kevin.

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  188. poptart_of_doom8 April 2014 at 03:39

    the problem for me, and in my experiences in fandom since 8.01 many others as well, isn't that sam didn't have a way of getting dean out of purgatory (or anywhere outside a human's means of rescue). given what season 6 showed us there was no way for him to open the door without it ending as it had for castiel and at this point in the story there was nothing really for sam to bargain for with a demon with crowley as the king of hell.



    the problem is that sam wasn't shown to have even tried to look at all. meaning he didn't try to look on earth, he didn't try to look for the winchester/castiel friendly angel inias to see if he was alive and could check heaven, he didn't try to find tessa to see if any reapers had processed dean, he didn't try and find meg who could've helped him save kevin or given him intel on if dean was in hell. nothing.


    he did nothing with full knowledge that even when dean's death was a sure thing, when he watched hell hounds tear into dean's flesh, watched as he took his last breaths, cleaned his dead body and clothed him, placed his cold dead body in the ground, and knew it was rotting away for months... and yet dean came back. he KNOWS death isn't final in this world he lives in so dean being dead isn't the final stop and should not have been the sole reason to not look at all. period.

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  189. poptart_of_doom8 April 2014 at 03:39

    i think that had sam not been drug through the mud for the first half of the season with no real pov to allow non-sam loving viewers (meaning those not willing to look deeper than he didn't look or try and connect the dots from past seasons. not haters.) him just leaving without trying to help benny is just another strike against his character.


    sam wasn't just suspicious of benny he was full out looking for a reason to kill him. when you put that up against the total lack of effort he put into finding dean, kevin, and everything else he didn't do from the first half of the season. it makes sam look bad.

    because now, to the general viewers, the good loyal benny let himself be KILLED in order to help dean get sam back and sam does what? the being that sam had been trying to kill for no explained reason let himself be killed so he could lead sam to the portal and then gave himself up as bait and sam did what...? not to mention that dean was willing to kill one of the few friends he has to get sam back but sam did what when the shoe was on the other foot?

    i'm not saying he should've had a tearful "i'm not leaving here without you benny!" moment but at least something. they can't play it subtle after what they did to his character earlier this year.

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