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POLL : What did you think of Once Upon a Time - Lacey?

22 Apr 2013

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47 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl22 April 2013 at 02:02

    LOL at Hook getting taken out by a woman. He's not very good at this villain thing, is he?

    Great episode! I love Racy Lacey. I laughed so hard during the Charming and Rumpel bar scene.


    Still bitter about August, but great episode.

    Also, I warned people not to jump to conclusions about the Henry birthday cake scene, but did anybody listen? No. It was a dream. Happy?

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  2. Whitney22 April 2013 at 02:06

    I like it when they weave in really small plot points - like the arrow from S1 that Snow used to try to kill the Queen. I also think it'll be interesting to see how the Lacey aspect shakes things up.

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  3. oddball8722 April 2013 at 02:08

    I was expecting something a little different, but was still awesome. Got to see my Rumbelle and love how Lacey is attracted to evilRumple while Belle prefers goodRumple. I knew Hook was gonna be in the back of that trailer tho, I wonder what dastardly plan they're concocting.

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  4. ^Marieliwii22 April 2013 at 03:01

    bit disapointed in general, but I liked the whole rumbelle part :)

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  5. magnutude22 April 2013 at 03:45

    it was an ok ep for me.. I did like all the Belle/Rump stuff although I was underwhelmed by Robin Hood - it could've been just any old desperate person to steal he wand unless they have plans for more of RH, but I feel the cast is large enough for now. It was fairly obvious that Lacey was going to like the dark side of Gold, and for now that might be fine for Gold, but I think that in the end he will miss the good in Belle. I do kinda like the dark Lacey/Rump and the mayhem they will get into (for now) - perhaps they will be giving Cora problems soon...Had to roll my eyes at Emma tipping her hand to Cora that awoke her suspicions and for some reason didn't even seem to think that it was important that Cora was going to investigate, even after Cora told her so....

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  6. Mary Terrell22 April 2013 at 05:07

    They played up Robin Hood's appearance too much for the amount of time he was in the episode, though he was in much more than Roger Daltry was in Hat Trick and they kept hyping his appearance.

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  7. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 08:01

    Will they care to explain how Regina ended up back in the mayor's office? Don't get me wrong, I love the fact she is back ruling the town, but is does sound weird, considering her being the evil queen, the Charmings hating her and all.

    Anyway, I think Lacey can be a good change in the Rumbelle pace. I don't buy the pairing, even though I can understand the appeal, but maybe this will change my mind. Hopefully, they'll be able to show Belle as a more confident character and I won't feel like I'm watching the development of Stockholm's syndrome.

    And get on with the Tamara/Gregowen plot already... it's taking too long.

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  8. Pauline NICOLAS22 April 2013 at 08:32

    Gold/Lacey/Rumpl/Belle was great and the gold/Regina scenes were the best things in this ep ;) (the worst being Emma's hat :p)

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  9. James Swift22 April 2013 at 09:05

    Okay episode. Expected more from Robin Hood. Agree with everyone who commented on Emma's awful hat. *lol*

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  10. Judy Smith22 April 2013 at 11:30

    I didn't see Cora in this episode.

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  11. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 13:33

    Pretty exciting overall. I have a lot of issues with the writers still trying to pass off Rumbelle's story as a great romance, as well as the "idyllic" Charming family scenes (considering all things that have happened this season). And most difficult for me to swallow is the Gold/David dynamic. :/

    But none of that matters right now because I'm far too hyped up about the return of the badass Madame Mayor!!! \o/\o/\o/ Loved all Regina's scenes! It actually felt like she was back to her s1 confident, scheming, active, fun, sassy self. (^.^) She even found a way to get back at Gold, it felt like 1x12 all over again. :D

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  12. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:20

    Is the point that the Charmings are literally too stupid to live and that people begged Regina to come back because they realized they haven't been paid in two months.

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  13. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 14:22

    I'll go with that.

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  14. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:24

    Maybe they're scared because Charming is brandishing a gun all over the place and doesn't understand that people can have more than one grandfather. And Henry has, like, four.

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  15. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 14:29

    Or maybe it has to do with the fact absolutely no one in town actually has a clue how life outside of FTL (or a cursed town) goes about, except for Regina - who remembers who she was and could leave Storybrooke - and Emma, kinda, but she apparently decided to forget the "real" world and live happily ever after with MM, matching hats and stuff.

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  16. Pauline NICOLAS22 April 2013 at 14:30

    "Will they care to explain how Regina ended up back in the mayor's office?" I saw that "explanation" on tumblr :p

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/21de04d8bbc15236cd5c3151d612f457/tumblr_mlmw1my19M1qaf7zlo1_400.png

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  17. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:30

    Yeah, I saw that too. Which translates to "We literally don't care and her office is a great place to frame scenes"

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  18. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:36

    I don't know though, because they clearly remember how life in Storybrooke works and they must know that things happen outside of Storybrooke. Garbage isn't piling up, people still go to the diner and eat and pay, etc. They had the internet and laptops. They had cell phones. So they must have some working knowledge of how things work outside because it's not all that different from how it was in Storybrooke.

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  19. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:37

    tbh, the point still stands, the Charmings are actively scheming to take Henry away from Regina permanently, so the episode ended up being even WORSE than what we jumped to conclusions about.

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  20. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 14:51

    True. But I think the question is no one really has any experience in administrating anything, except for Regina. But, obviously, we are overanalyzing the whole thing and they simply threw her at the office because Mayor Mills is sexy and sassy. They need SOMETHING different in the show and god knows Lana can give them that.

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  21. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 14:56

    Well...everyone on the council should have administrative experience. And we have seen in canon that there are several of those.


    But you're right, to assume that Adam and Eddy put any deep thought at all into the show is giving it WAY too much credit.

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  22. Feekk22 April 2013 at 15:04

    This was quite a relaxed episode. I wasn't a fan of "dark" Belle but it's too early to jump on conclusion. I was just wishing that Belle remembered who she was because I think there are too many storylines the writers need to catch up and they really need to solve some soon. If they solved the Rumbelle storyline, they could focus on Greg/Tamara storyline, the Magic Bean storyline, the Emma/Neal storyline, etc etc... I think what makes people stick to this show is a satisfying happy ending when the time is right. But dragging it like this would cost some of its audience. But I'll stick to this show no matter what.


    It's quite a good episode nonetheless.

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  23. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 15:10

    You know, if Hook had married Millah, then wouldn't that have made Hook Henry's step-grandfather? :D But then again, the dear Captain has made a pass at most of the women in Henry's family, so they ought to be related one way or another.

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  24. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 15:12

    I pretty much count him as an ex "step-grandfather" such as it was because Hook and Milah were clearly very seriously together.

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  25. DarthLocke422 April 2013 at 15:14

    I can understand the issue, but it might be that "if" Rumple didn't succumb to converging with The Dark One, he might have honestly been a good person (as it's Milah that really betrays him and turns her son against him), so we might have to consider that Belle can see through/separate Rumple from 'his darkness'. The problem IMO with their relationship is that we don't understand Belle's side of it, because very little of whom she ever was has yet to be presented to us, so we don't know if she has any "special" abilities, beyond courage and an aptitude for knowledge that could give more president in what she sees in him. So it comes off as both mysterious, but lopsided.

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  26. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 15:15

    That is a very good point. It annoys me to no end how they totally ignore the rest of the characters, such as the council, and just bring them up when it is convenient for the plot... but, yeah, well, I'll unfortunately have to go back to TGW, GoT and Mad Men if I wanna discuss giving deep thought into a show.

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  27. laura334122 April 2013 at 15:15

    It was an ok episode and that's all i an say about it right now..

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  28. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 15:17

    Honestly, I'm still laughing about the council scene in 1x11 when Emma stands up because their faces are all like "Oooh, girl, Regina is going to rip you APART."

    Same. Although I am a little cranky at how GoT has screwed up the Robb/Cat plot.

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  29. ThirdofEight22 April 2013 at 15:20

    I thought this was a very strong episode. Naturally, its true success in the long run will be determined by where the new storylines it introduced wind up. The flashbacks and present-day scenes were handled very cleverly, and Emilie did a fantastic job with the characters of both Belle and Lacey. (I saw a bit of crazy squirrel-baby Claire in her portrayal towards the end.) And Robert Carlyle was amazing as usual.

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  30. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 15:25

    Well so do I, but technically he wasn't married to Millah. Anyway, wedding ceremonies in FTL are hardly the equivalent of a marriage in our world, so it makes no difference.
    So you're right, he's Henry's grandfather, alongside David, Rumple, and Henry Sr.

    P.S.: And if David and Snow ever divorce and she remarries, then Henry might get a 5th grandpa. (you never know) :P

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  31. inhighheels22 April 2013 at 15:28

    TELL ME ABOUT IT. Robb/Cat is my biggest disappointment this season. And Tyrion is still the best thing on the show.
    But let's not distort the topic, there's enough people who hate us around here LOL.

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  32. Leonie198822 April 2013 at 15:34

    I wanted more Robin Hood and some action would have been nice. I liked the enchanted bow!

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  33. Alan Martins Rodrigues22 April 2013 at 15:36

    One of the best episodes in a very bad season. REALLY loved the Lacey twist by the end! I kind of expected it to be Robin Hood in the van but oh, hey, Hook's back, that's nice.

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  34. klutzy_girl22 April 2013 at 18:09

    Not necessarily. Regina will most likely go if it happens, and hey guess what? She just tried to kill them all. Would you trust her with Henry? No.

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  35. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 18:15

    "..."if" Rumple didn't succumb to converging with The Dark One, he might have honestly been a good/much better person (as it's Milah that really betrays him and turns her son against him)..."

    Just to clarify this point first, it's not Milah who turned Bae against Rumple, it's Rumple's own actions.

    And frankly, I don't think that becoming the Dark One radically transformed his personality. I think it just brought out all of Rumple's worst existing character traits (his cowardice turned into an insatiable hunger for power which makes him feel invincible, his insecurities fed his jealousy and his sense of possession over magical objects as well as people, and so on).

    The point is, the "darkness" in Rumple's heart is more than just the "curse" of being the Dark One, which can be undone by true love's kiss. From a purely psychological point of view, he has vice that he has to work very hard to get rid of, and so far I haven't seen a true effort on his part to be better. He's just too set in his ways, perhaps understandably, considering he's been a ruthless killer for nearly 300 years. Clearly he cannot be a better person just by virtue of having Belle and Bae by his side. It's up to him to start making sacrifices, it's up to him to give up magic, power, scheming, manipulating, inflicting pain and everything else he resorts to whenever he doesn't get his way. Regina proved that she's capable of that: unfortunately, even when she makes the right choices, external factors always steer her in another direction, and she eventually buckles under the pressure. Gold, on the other hand, has always made the wrong choices, so he has to fight his own demons first, before he can truly become worthy of Belle's support and love.

    But so far, judging by his actions, Belle's faith in him has not been justified. That's why I find them an odd pairing, because they're not equals. He's not trying to change for the better because of her, he just relies on her to somehow stop him from killing people. She's content with him promising that he'll improve and then breaking his promises; she quickly forgives him because she believes she has to stay by his side and bring out the best in him, and they go back to normal.

    Honestly, that's not my definition of "one true love". And I know this is an unpopular opinion and I'll get downvoted, but I just don't like this form of glorified abuse of trust.

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  36. magnutude22 April 2013 at 18:20

    oops, my bad I did get them mixed up - thanks for the correction

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  37. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 18:40

    I guess I'd trust her with them as much as I would with people that just kidnapped him, murdered his grandmother in cold blood, plotted to kill Regina, paid such care to Henry that he got dynamite, and ripped a man's tongue out and then beat him with a cane. So...

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  38. stormqueen22 April 2013 at 18:42

    I want to love this post.

    I thought the same thing, that the curse just made all his negative points even worse. Because he wasn't a very good person before it.

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  39. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 19:05

    Rofl, thanks, Courts. :)

    Well yes, he was quite flawed to begin with. I mean, he preferred to kill Zoso instead of simply controlling him with the dagger, because he was too afraid to do the latter (but apparently the former seemed safer). Where's the logic in that??

    Besides, I don't think an innocent person would make up his mind so quickly to murder someone, even if it is the Dark One. Regina initially refused to kill a unicorn, Snow initially refused to use the candle to save her mother's life. So I certainly find more fault with him than with either of them (but Cora is a different story).

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  40. DarthLocke422 April 2013 at 20:24

    As always everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the expectations Bae had for his father does not come from Rumple alone...Milah did nothing to lower Bae's expectations one can tell she became manipulative the moment she became a mother)

    Rumple also FALSELY took blame for her departure in their lives! (Milah was NOT loyal and IMO being loyal should make up for Rumple's cowardliness...)

    Additionally the idea of a "dark" something/entity/force taking over one's soul, implies a PHYSICALLY and/or physiological difference, as Rumple was no longer a coward, but instead incredibly deceptive and manipulative, a quality he did not have before.

    I agree killing the dark one is a drastic move, but the man was desperate and somewhat coherst into taking over that dark one's powers, because nice guys, despite being a coward, finished lased in the world he lived in and he had thought by not being a coward he would PROVE himself honorable to his son, but he more an more he lost control, just like a drug addict.

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  41. Lilith91122 April 2013 at 21:09

    Mr. Gold is too reliant on Belle, I was hoping that who with his son
    near he would concentrate on him, but apparently believes that only with
    the help of Belle can get him back…. when it is not so … can not be so…

    That is Rumple was a huge bastard, but all he did was to find his son, so it
    has a basic ‘good’ from which to seek to draw closer to Bae …

    I do not like the fact that it relies only on Belle for his good side … diminishes it too!

    Do not get me wrong, I love the couple Rumbelle … but now he is giving too
    much importance … I do not know how to say … he is more! Belle is
    important, yes, but not so much to tear it down.

    Put us shortly to go back to the dark side, i love Rumple in this version, but I do not like the way

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  42. DarthLocke422 April 2013 at 23:00

    Yes he ripped out her heart AFTER he was the dark one.

    I do apply it to all the characters. I tend to have empathy for most of them. They all have made bad decisions, some more than others, but in Rumple's case there is more of president that the entity he converged with might be a harder addiction to escape, then some of the addictions of the other characters. That's all I was saying in regards to his disposition, a similar argument can be made with Cora lacking a heart in her body and the use of the enchanted book. I think it's still unclear if certain types of magic are worse than others, or if it's 'all magic is bad', but I would like to think the first is more correct, as it always still comes down to bad decision made to begin with.

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  43. R Vassilissa22 April 2013 at 23:27

    I can see where you're coming from, and in that regard I agree with you. I just find the human reactions more interesting to analyse than the magical consequences. Eddy and Adam can write and rewrite the rule book on magic, but the psychological reasons behind the characters' decisions can be inferred and interpreted following general logic. :)


    Btw, you're absolutely right that there are different kinds of magic. For example, Gold warned Regina in 2x02 about the book that it contained "straight-up spells, rough in the system", but on the other hand the magic of fairy dust powers the world (from good fairies, because in "Snow Falls" they also mentioned bad fairies in passing).

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  44. DarthLocke426 April 2013 at 17:07

    Sometimes I love Emma's wardrobe, but other times....


    I'm trying to remember if she wore a hat like that in the Tallahassee flashback? -If so, then maybe she's wearing it as a token for what she felt for Bae at that time...


    I finally watched the episode a few days ago. I thought it was an ok episode too. I like the ideas in it, introducing Robin Hood and the SHERIFF of Nottingham (<--juxtaposition to Graham & Emma), the magic arrow/wands, and of course a cursed Belle in a post cursed world, but I think it's a stepping stone episode.

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  45. laura334126 April 2013 at 18:37

    And at one time i thought her jacket was bad,but that hat,Yikes,haha!!!!!

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  46. Dominick Grace26 April 2013 at 21:47

    Well, not a lot on this show makes much logical sense, so why not? Emilie de Ravin has much nicer legs than I'd've expected, though....

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  47. omabin27 April 2013 at 19:37

    It is not that it was a bad episode by any means, it is just that the show is severely lacking focus right now. It needs a long term goal. I think Ouat broke the curse too soon. Sure, the season 1 finale was incredible and sure it is great to sort of have it over with but they should have made it longer. They have 22 episodes a season so they should have made it at least 2 seasons to have some sort of compromise. I don't think people would complain. They would just need something like Emma remembering at the end of last year and that would have been a game changer enough. The episode itself wasn't bad, but I feel like we are in the exact same place as we were before it and that is not good. I suppose the characters are still very interesting, and they are, but the problem is that they have been too inconsistent and poorly written for us to actively care. Hey, I hate to bash on a show, especially one I like so much, but I really feel it is deserved here. I still love OUAT and even when it isn't great, it is still a great hour and it is still one of the most imaginative shows out there, but they need more focus, better writing and more consistency in their characters next season.

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