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Once Upon a Time - Episode 2.20 - The Evil Queen - Sneak Peeks 2&3

25 Apr 2013

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  1. Seriously DID EVERYONE fall on their heads or something?! like wtf david, just no, locking regina up in a cell isn't the way to about it either *sigh*


    At least Emma seems a bit back to her Emma Swan self, she's sniffing Tamara out, you go girl. Snow being naive Snow as usual >.>

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  2. So Snow does know and remember that Regina is Henry's mother. She should do it more often.

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  3. Yeah, her memory is almost selective as the people who watch this show. I might be choosey about my memories if someone tried killing me and everyone I loved several times.

    However bad Snow's memory is, it pales in comparison to how often people forget that Regina is a mass murdering psychopath who has been given numerous opportunities to change her ways. But yeah, lets give Snow a hard time. That's perfectly logical.

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  4. Oh right, I forgot Snow was the one that was awful and terrible and a bitch. Oh wait... she's been the one trying to FIX THINGS!

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  5. This!!! They're actually being pretty lenient about Regina's "punishment". Regina SHOULD be in jail. She's killed tens if not hundreds of people. She doesn't, READ shouldn't get a free pass just because she's sorry now. Which she's not! Being a mother doesn't take precedent over being a MURDERER!! There are plenty of mothers in jail.

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  6. PLEASE tell me Henry heard that! SwanThief HAS to happen!

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  7. Glad to see I have a partner in the realm of common sense.

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  8. Rumble cell can hold people with magic. So it would be fitting since she wouldn't escape.

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  9. Thing is though, they need to repair the cell door before they can put Regina there since Snow used the parchment with Emma's name written in squid ink so that they could escape.

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  10. "She is his mother, despite all the horrors."
    FRAME THAT.



    And, Charming, you are passed the point of being boring, now you're just plain stupid. What kind of person will willingly accept life in prison, specially considering that person would be the ONLY one condemned? And what would that solve? Your grandkid would grow up seeing his mother in jail, but not Rumplestiltskin. Just... WTF?!

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  11. Add to the fact she has spent half her life trying to kill Henry's family to the fact she sent two innocent children to a kid eating witches house and then separated them from their father. I think that one is the worst to me. Oh and is Emma ever going to find out Regina killed Graham? Cause I really want to know how that goes down!

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  12. Snow keep saying that Regina is Henry's mother, but she never realised that Henry is not Regina's only kid, Regina is her mother too. She was once a good mother to young snow, she saved her life. Henry hated Regina for all her evil, but he still loves her, she is always his mom, Snow should remember this too. Now everytime Snow talks about Regina is like she's talking about some stranger,it feels distant, where's the mother-daughter bond?

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  13. I think both sides are forgetting that IF Regina returns to FTL that she will again be bond by the protection spell that Rumple put on the Charmings against any harm that Regina could cause them while in FTL...

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  14. I really think that Snow is right about not telling anything to Henry about Tamara yet, I mean, they don't know what we know about her and it's the safest choice not to put a child against his father's fiancé.
    As far as it concerns Charming and Snow's discussion, I think that Snow is starting to feel sorry for taking part to the destruction of Regina's heart and is contemplating the idea of giving her another chance. Charming is shockingly crude, I mean, it's cruel to just leave Regina behind and believe that Henry will simply get used to it because his mother is the Evil Queen and deserves no better.

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  15. My main gripe is that Regina would never willingly chose for that, plus like someone above me said they'll just leave rumpel walk around again scottfree.

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  16. I think Snow always knew of her mistakes that caused Regina pain and that's why she has been giving her chances to change. In the war, when Regina thought she trapped Snow and wanted to kill her and Snow gave her the chance to surrender and again in the cell. And also when Snow stopped the execution... I don't think those will be the last ones.

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  17. I'm in too, I'm glad I found you :)

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  18. I think Snow is being really logical in both of these sneak peeks.
    She knows, they can't ignore Henrys and Reginas connection and she knows that Henry might get hurt again if Emma accuses Tamara of something wrong.

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  19. Finally Snow is thinking as Snow again. Regina is probably freaking out because she saw the magic beans and she is totally thinking about the possibility of Emma taking Henry to FL and if this happens this is kinda a kidnaping thing because Regina is Henry's mother.

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  20. I imagine that bond is severed every time the Charmings proceed to give Regina a second chance and she rewards them by trying to kill them. Everyone wants to call the Charmings cruel and stupid but at what point should they stop giving her chances to change? And it's not just them affected, it's everyone else in Storybrooke. They get no justice because she's Henry's mother and her being in jail would make Henry upset?

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  21. Thank God they adressed the lameness of Emma's super power. It was about time.

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  22. August is not dead, he just shrunken

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  23. Not really. Because a) GIGANTIC HOLE IN IT. And b) there's no proof of that because it's where Rumple WANTED to be.

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  24. Ugh. I hate those examples.

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  25. Come on. A teenager cannot be a mother to another teenager.

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  26. No, August is dead.

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  27. Will she be sharing a cell with Snow?

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  28. InvestedInYourFuture25 April 2013 at 16:15

    As stupid as it sounds, Snow is right in this case.


    Tamara might have something to do with all of this for all they know - but before they announce it to all the world, there should be proof, since Emma IS someone who would be viewed as emotionally-conflicted, does not matter on if she is or not - Neal and Henry would react negatively to this no matter the outcome.



    At least when they have actual proof of Tamara's intention, Emma would not end up looking as such a badguy in their eyes.

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  29. There is no reason for Emma to tell Henry about Tamara...gotta go with Snow on this one.

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  30. She is right when it suits the plot and then when it doesn't there comes Sydney or Regina or Gold or Owen/Greg or Tamara and lie to her without any problem.

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  31. Tamara has barely talked to her so far, so idk why you bring her up. The way I see this 'superpower'thing, Emma merely reads visual cues to know if the person is lying to her, so if she can't see/isn't looking at the person it won't work. I think all of the times Sidney outright lied to her she wasn't looking at him. With Greg, I thought she knew he was lying, but was trying to protect him from the townsfolk (who wanted to, you know, kill him). She is right about it like... 8 times out of 10.

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  32. romanticelizabeth425 April 2013 at 22:07

    I disagree. It's obvious Emma has feelings for Neal. The way she looked at the dream catcher, her jealousy towards Tamara (confirmed by the writers like Jane) and the way she looks at him.

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  33. I did not think about it, I can understand Emma's dilemma. it's not an easy choise anyway...

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  34. I can understand her dilemma too. But Henry was being a brat for multiple episodes because Emma told him his father was a nice guy instead of a douchebag who took advantage of an underage girl then set her up and left her pregnant and in jail. Then with her promising to never lie to him again, he's gonna find this another transgression, most likely.

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  35. Having feelings for someone and not being able to overcome a relationship are too different things. I understand they have unresolved issues (for lack of a better expression), which is to be expected, but if the writers want us to buy the pairing, we need more concrete evidence that she does feel something more than a mix of resent and fondness for him. In that sense, I think they've done a better with August.

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  36. It's not a super power, Adam & Eddy confirmed it twice already. She can very well be wrong, she's just good at reading people.

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  37. She knows, they shot (but deleted) an scene in 1x22.. At Comic Con Panel i think, they said she had a line referring to Grahams dead but it never made the episode.

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  38. Rumple might, but Snow and Charming can not see the future so they gave her a chance, Regina didn't take it.

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  39. I guess people see it that way. I count a chance as an actual chance, giving someone support and more than three seconds to make a decision. And most importantly, I can't count a chance that is based in lies and trickery, which is what Snow's was.

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  40. Emma's superpower...HAHAHA...! Should this really continue to be a running gag on the show?

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  41. The Charmings had every reason to believe she murdered Archie and no reason to believe she didn't, after all she did in the past. No reasonable person would hold this against them, IMO. And she ended her supposed redemption right after that (by the first sign of a serious problem she encountered on her path of "redemption") and returned to wanting to kill them all (except Henry, of course), so she didn't really prove anything.

    Plus I think the choice is supposed to be more of a test. Rather then giving her another chance blindly, they test her true intentions beforehand. Would Regina be willing to answer for her numerous crimes and really redeem herself by going to prison (where she rightfully belongs) just to be in the same realm as Henry and for the chance of seeing him and having a relationship with him or would she not? And if she is willing to do something so unselfish I think that would be a sign for the Charmings that she really wants to redeem herself that they could trust and she would not in fact end up in prison after all or at least not stay there for too long. This is, of course, just speculation based on the sneek peak, but it would make sense to me.

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  42. Errrr, she then also destroyed the curse that was made to be her only way of revenge - doesn't that prove she's changing? After all those years chasing after Snow White and finally being SO CLOSE to what she's pursued all her life - and she burnt the spell in front of everyone's eyes, resigning from her evil life goal - that's a positive action, don't you think? It's only AFTER those events that she found out about Snow's darkened heart and, let's be frank, anyone would mock Snow if they were in Regina's shoes. Also, Charmings praise themselves on being righteous and good people, yet they didn't find a minute to apologise to Regina for THEIR wrong doings? I know, Regina's done much worse before, but she DID try to change and redeem herself and at that point, it was the others who misjudged their actions, and if the Charmings really stuck to their high values, they would've at least made an effort to fix things a little.

    Also, 'the choice' being a test? Oh please, what sane or even GOOD person would agree to being caged for god knows how long and to be on mercy of everyone else? It's one thing to redeem themselves through their actions, and another to degrade themselves to a life of a passive plant! What sort of a relationship would that be, for Henry to see his parent imprisoned? He probably wouldn't go and see her much anyway... If Henry's life/well-being would depend on it, yes, you could THEN present her with such an option. But because otherwise it serves to no purpose and helps no-one, it would be ridiculous to 'offer' something like that in the first place.

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  43. I didn't say she didn't do anything positive. But what she did isn't enough for me to think she truely changed. I need my redemptions to be much longer (definitely more than a few months) and to not stop after the first (or second or even third for that matter ...) bump in the road. And it wasn't enough for the Charmings only after they saw "her" kill Archie in Pongo's memories. Besides she has already proved she didn't really change because she very quickly returned to her old villainous ways by wanting/trying to kill them all. (I don't think Snow's darkened heart has anything to do with what I am saying in regards to Regina. It happened after Regina has already abandoned her path to redemption. And I don't mind Regina mocking Snow about that at all.)

    "What sane or even good person would agree to being caged for god knows how long and to be on mercy of everyone else?" One that wants to truely repent all her crimes. As I said I think she belongs to prison so for me it would be the right thing to do. Am I to understand that you would put nobody in prison for their crimes (no matter what they did) so that they can "redeem themselves through their actions" or does this courtesy only apply to Regina? As I said I don't think she would actually end up in prison if she made that choice, but even if she did I don't have any problem with Henry visiting her there. He knows she has done some terrible things. "He probably wouldn't go and see her much anyway..." It would be up to him if he wanted to see her and I think if she showed true remorse for her crimes he would want to. "It serves to no purpose and helps no-one." It would serve justice if it actually happened and it would definitely help the Charmings to assess Regina's true intentions and willingness to show remorse and make amends for her numerous crimes, regardless how "ridiculous" the offer is.

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  44. David will say everything and do everything that betters his chances that the others want to go back to fairytale land with him. He is so desperate he barely sees and thinks straight. It makes me sad.
    It also makes me sad that he writers think they can have the characters say how another characters feels and we will buy it. If they want me to think Emma still has feelings for Neal and I should root for Neal and her this is not good writing.

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  45. Good writing left this show some time ago.

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  46. There's a potential for blowback there because Emma promised not to lie to Henry any more. So not telling him something can be very easily construed as lying.

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  47. I think *the writers* might be forgetting that.

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  48. Anyone remember Xena? the series? The person? she killed idk few thousand people but still made for a plausible (rootable) person when she finally got back on her path of redemption (with a little help?) so uhm yeah. And let's face it, Regina so far hasn't had much people to help her with her redemption... Henry barely counts.

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  49. Not really. When it's been set up as a trap by a man who can see the future so that Regina would do what he wanted? Not so much.

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  50. Except that everytime she talks about her superpower, she gets things right. And she IS right about people lying most of the time. I think we're not watching the same show.

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  51. Hm, from these sneak peeks I sense even more bad writing.
    Regina tells Henry she'll kill everyone and he will see her as a hero?! How blind do the writers think she is?! Seriously, she can't believe that, PLEASE???
    And
    out of all of that, Snow is the only voice of reason right now -
    reminding Charming that Regina is Henry's mother despite everything and
    that Emma should not make careless decisions without a solid proof. I'm
    so glad someone has finally mentioned how her 'superpowers' have failed
    over and over. I only don't like how the Charmings still hesitate with
    giving Regina another chance, saying how she slips all the time. The one
    time she really really worked for her redemption, they all jumped at
    her, saying she's Archie's murderer and has no rights to be Henry's
    mother, chasing after her with some silly spells. I've never seen them even apologising to her for that, yet they
    struggle with giving her another chance, after she's proved she can
    change?
    And please, Charming, a 'choice' of living forever in the cell??? That's really 'appealing'...

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  52. Well, this is where we differ. I believe people need encouragement and support in their actions and if they lack this external incentive, it's very hard to get out of your old habits. To me Regina destroying her one and only revenge-spell was a massive milestone in her character development as she decided to forget that dark goal of her past and finally move on. She still didn't forgive Snow White (which I really think she should, for the sake of her redemption), but it's SOMETHING and the Charmings didn't even have the guts to apologise for what they did wrong, especially in the light that they always claim they do what the good people should.
    Frankly, I'm not happy with the recent sneak peeks though, because it shows as if Regina was going back on herself and contradicts her previous actions and seriously, no excuses will ever be good enough to explain this bad writing. She's torn, lonely and broken, but come on, this is on the borderline of insanity.


    But NOTHING will change my stand on the 'option' front. Charming is being a douche, end of. Putting someone in a cell is a PUNISHMENT and as such, cannot be offered as a conscious CHOICE. When you put someone to prison, you do it AGAINST THEIR WILL, the criminals do not just accept to be imprisoned as a sign of their good intentions.

    I realise I'm going extreme right now, but look at this from the other side: when Regina blamed Snow for Daniel's death, as some point she forced her to eat the poisonous apple, only for the sake of saving Charming. So you see, even the gracious Snow had to be FORCED by blackmail to chose the 'punishment option' that would supposedly redeem her in Regina's eyes. And YES I KNOW this is extreme example and that Snow in fact did offer her life to the Queen before and it was the Huntsman who then disobeyed, but it does show how difficult such a choice is, no matter how pure your heart is.

    Now, it's a different matter that Regina did a lot of wrong to the Charmings, and especially David only knows her from the bad side, but it's a ridiculous notion to offer someone a choice that any sane person would turn down and expect it to be the fair solution. Changing someone's habits can be a long and difficult process, especially that the person might not know any better (remember even in the Hans and Gretzel episode, Regina the Evil Queen was still struggling pretty hard with understanding the notion of family and love) and I agree, it's not necessarily up to the Charmings to help her, but this poor excuse of a 'choice' would just worsen the matter completely!

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