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11 Feb 2013

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  1. SmallvilleSupernaturalCastle11 February 2013 at 02:09

    haha did anyone else hear the pilot in the end say the Ajira flight? haha lost reference! The ajiria was the plane that the oceanic 5 took to get back to the island...that also kinda crashed... (will it happen to Rumple, Emma, and Henry? haha) Good episode i like jorge's role and cassidy's both did good. I bet Baelfire is Emma's old bf who is Henry's father! just by the trailer. Regina looks like shes done with good.

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  2. klutzy_girl11 February 2013 at 02:10

    I loved it! Such a great episode. Poor Anton, but I'm glad he got to be with the dwarfs at the end. I literally went "aww" out loud.


    LOL at the fact that Charming's real name is actually David.

    And at least they weren't on Oceanic at the end!

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  3. Lysh11 February 2013 at 02:20

    I thought of you when he said his name was David. Winner! :D

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  4. Lana Parrilla Brasil11 February 2013 at 02:22

    It always awesome

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  5. Nerwen Aldarion11 February 2013 at 02:22

    I thought it was a good episode, I kind of think the stuff with Gold, Emma and Henry was a bit unnecessary, I much rather would have skipped straight to them in Manhattan, I don't think we needed them to fill time at the airport so much.

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  6. klutzy_girl11 February 2013 at 02:30

    I thought it was either that, Shepherd, or Nolan, tbh.

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  7. C P11 February 2013 at 02:35

    I loved the episode. It was sweet that the dwarfs adopted Anton into their group at the end. :)

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  8. Bros4ever11 February 2013 at 02:55

    Loved it Anton<3 awwwwwwwwwww so sad!:(

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  9. Carrie Reich11 February 2013 at 03:21

    Well, we needed to know that Rumple has lost his ability to do magic, but it did seem drawn out. I didn't like that we're supposed to believe Regina is just totally evil again now that Cora is there. It doesn't make sense, because she knows Henry will never love her when she's like that. If she really still wants him back...She seemed oddly inserted into this episode.

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  10. vicmic0811 February 2013 at 03:31

    There was another Lost reference when Belle was watching TV in the hospital too, she was watching an episode of Expose.

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  11. JoshuaAndre2111 February 2013 at 03:38

    I wonder what Greg is up to...

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  12. JoshuaAndre2111 February 2013 at 03:40

    Love the episode! One of my favourites this year! But what exactly happened when Rumple took off the scarf? He lost his magic ability? was that it? or did he lose some memories too?

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  13. Symce (Mylene)11 February 2013 at 03:40

    I think Regina either A: is playing her mother or B: thinks she has nothing to lose because she thinks her son hates her guts/everyone believes she murdered Archie (including her son) Its like; what difference does it make? Perhaps she hopes her mother can give her what she needs as twisted as that might be.


    Secretly I hope someone (either Henry or Emma I hope, or both) helps steering her back on the redemption part. I guess after she's had some 'fun' terrorizing the neighborhood heh.

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  14. Drac175311 February 2013 at 04:10

    I have a question I hope someone can answer; Rumple had his real memories during the curse, so why does he think that he will lose them if he doesn't have that scarf with him.

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  15. Kathleen Kervin11 February 2013 at 04:21

    Turning Anton giant again so he can terrorize and kill the citizens of Storybrook isn't going to win her any points with Henry. And that's *after* Snow told her that she knew Regina didn't kill Archie, it was Cora's doing.

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  16. Folie-lex11 February 2013 at 04:24

    THANK YOU! I was wondering the exact same thing....

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  17. Jesus Tadeo Ibarra Guerrero11 February 2013 at 04:43

    Ajira Airlines, Exposee!! Jorge Garcia's Character becoming a regular, David = David, No magic for Mr. Gold, my mind got blown!!!

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  18. romanticelizabeth411 February 2013 at 04:43

    This episode was a million times better than I expected.

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  19. romanticelizabeth411 February 2013 at 04:44

    I think those scenes were kind of fillers but it was great to see Rumpel freaking out. Robert was really good in those scenes. And Henry was really funny.

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  20. Ouroboros11 February 2013 at 04:44

    And the flight attendant said the flight would be 42 minutes long. This episode was a bliss for Lost lovers!

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  21. Ouroboros11 February 2013 at 04:48

    He didn't, he only remembered his FTL life when he head Emma's name for the first time. This wasn't exactly mentioned on the show, but the producers confirmed it.

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  22. Aydrian11 February 2013 at 05:20

    This is starting to drive me a little crazy. Am I the only one who actually cheered Snow White on when she told off Regina? People have a very selective memory it seems. Snow made one mistake as a child that got someone Regina loved killed, and then Regina spent decades completely ruining her life.

    She killed Snow's father, tried to kill her, began a violent campaign, that actually had nothing to do with Snow, to gain power, then tried to kill everyone Snow cared about at least once. Oh, and then there's that whole curse thing where she wiped everyone's memories, put Charming in a coma, and split up her family for over two decades.

    Then there was all that stuff that happened after Emma came to town. And how has Snow White been? She's spared Regina more than once, tried to help her on multiple occasions, and has only doubted Regina when evidence pointed to her being guilty. Regina, a woman who has murdered innocent people without mercy, many of them being those Snow cared for, can stand in front of her and not be shot.

    I think Snow having a few choice words with her about Henry is the very least she should be allowed to do considering the circumstances. I'm sorry for the rant, but I just checked tumblr and the number of people who keep siding with the murderous sorceress and not her frequent victim is starting to make me wonder if people have amnesia. Regina is changing, but not so fast that people should continuously forget all of the horrible things she's done.

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  23. Justyna Kubica11 February 2013 at 07:45

    Thank you! Trust me, you're NOT the only one:)

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  24. prpleight11 February 2013 at 07:55

    Loved it. Felt bad for Tiny the moment he met up with James and Jack. I knew he was gonna be hurt and it was gonna be bad. The bad timing award goes to...Tiny and the moment the giant spell chose to wear off. :-) My favorite thing about him being accepted as a dwarf (they are 7 again!) after having lost his family and being alone for so long...


    Why does everyone seem to listen to Hook? And why is he wandering around free? He shot Belle, that alone is justification for them to keep him locked up in jail.


    Not a lot happened; it was a setup episode..but I really enjoyed it.

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  25. prpleight11 February 2013 at 07:55

    I missed the flight reference.

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  26. inhighheels11 February 2013 at 08:06

    Let us take a moment to appreciate the fact that they didn't come up with a different way for Anton to travel to Storybrooke, shall we? I'm loving the writers for that.

    And, well, way to few Regina, but that evil smile while talking to the giant payed for the rest of it.

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  27. Pauline NICOLAS11 February 2013 at 08:36

    Really??? I didn't know that!

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  28. InvestedInYourFuture11 February 2013 at 08:51

    I guess the Belle developments this episode explain the Lacey episode title - The stranger and her possibly end up in there.


    Poor Rumple - just as he returns from ONE trip he will have to go to another to fetch his wife.





    As for Episode - interested in Snow/Charming divide on whether to return - its quite clear that Snow is unhappy with idea of returning to FTL and the whole "Oh I don't want to leave Emma" seems to be like excuse. It seems that while Charming wants to return for life there, Snow wants them to have life here. Fairy tale characters dealing with real world problems is so fascinating and I love it.


    5/5

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  29. inhighheels11 February 2013 at 08:55

    So, I shouldn't do this, but what the hell...

    I think Snow is the one person who has the right to be mad at Regina, but I also think people tend to mix things.
    Regina is no saint, she did pretty much every bad thing she could, as you said, and she should be held accountable for that. However, she did promise to change, she let Henry go and stopped using magic, she saved Snow and Emma's life, she was falsely accused of murder (and nobody bothered to even give her a call to let her know Archie was alive) and she had her entire life taken away from her.

    If we always keep trying to set a score with Regina aka bad things she did versus good things she did, in order to decide if she can redeem herself or not and whether or not other characters should respect her for that, we're getting nowhere. And, IMO, that's what the show itself tries to get through to viewers.

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  30. Sarah Elizabeth Ann11 February 2013 at 09:15

    Despite two minor details that were problems to me, I loved the episode! I loved that Anton is now an honorary dwarf and I'm looking forward to Snow and Charming's divide about returning to FTL.


    One problem I had was maybe something I missed in past episodes: how did Mr. Gold know that Bae might be in NYC? Lucky guess (assuming Bae = Neal, although I'm still not sure how the whole age thing will work)?


    My other problem - and like I said, it's just a minor thing - was that there weren't as many "Greg grilling Belle" scenes as the impression I got from the press release. That one scene between them, though, made me worried about what Greg's gonna do!

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  31. Nathalie Simon11 February 2013 at 09:33

    I don't know if they forget the bad things she's done. But I know that it sets people off when the show all but flat out denies that Regina is Henry's mother too.

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  32. ShatteredOne11 February 2013 at 09:45

    Good episode. I still get some Hugo vibes from Jorge Garcia as the Giant/Anton, but I do like Jorge so I don't hold that against him. In fact I like the addition of him and Belle/Emilie to the cast, hope to see them reunite at some point. Speaking of Belle, curious where her role will go. If she'll help this new guy whose too curious or she'll eventually get her memories back, probably both but hopefully the latter at least.


    David's name being David was kinda funny during the running away bit. Gold in the airport was kinda interesting, curious if that will come up later with the slow memory loss/wooziness from being apart from whoever's item.

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  33. MeatyStakes11 February 2013 at 09:55

    OMG Expose!!!

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  34. MeatyStakes11 February 2013 at 10:00

    I dunno. I liked the plot, but I had serious issues with the pacing (was it the direction?) Anton's story felt rushed, when they had all the elements. (Garcia, Freeman! and Evil Charming) But they felt flat. Though Benrubi was awesome, he'll always be Olaf to me :)

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  35. fever11 February 2013 at 10:21

    For the first time ever, OUAT was boring to me. Jorge's acting was so lame. I was hoping that we will get to see how Cora and Hook caught the giant, and how Cook escaped. On the other hand, I really like evil Charming. Hope to see more of him in flashbacks.

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  36. Michu194511 February 2013 at 11:15

    Prince James was evil. Prine "Charming" David is his good brother.

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  37. Pauline NICOLAS11 February 2013 at 11:36

    Olaf or Jerry :D

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  38. Drac175311 February 2013 at 13:46

    Thanks, they really should have answered this in the show, i always thought Rumple knew from the beginning

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  39. Ralissa Vassilissa11 February 2013 at 14:11

    The season's inevitable filler ep. At least it was slightly more fun than last season's "Dreamy" (now that was an utter snooze fest).

    Sidenotes:

    * Well, what do you know, the actual prince James is an evil hottie, me likey! I'm looking forward to more flashbacks, especially if they involve that black unbuttoned shirt of his. :D On second thought - lose the shirt altogether!
    * Oh, the irony of David saying his twin brother "paid the ultimate price for his arrogance"...
    * Rofl @ Ruby giving Belle "The Mysterious Island".
    * Apparently frosting and adventure are all you care about when you're 10 (or 11?). Who needs adoptive parents anyway??
    * Useful tip: when a "powerful sorceress" shows up at your door, do NOT voice your opinion that she need not be consulted about her adoptive son's upbringing. ("the two idiots", hmmm, I'm beginning to think that wasn't far from the truth)
    * Hook summoning Cora by throwing the Queen of Hearts card on the ground - so cool! Reminded me of Regina sticking the White Rabbit card to the Hatter's daughter's bike.
    * The Regina/Hook talk was the most interesting scene in the entire episode, imo. I like that they're not going to be paired up as a couple, but are just going to be on the same team for a while. Team Revengers FTW! :D

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  40. C11 February 2013 at 15:14

    What do Regina's past deeds have to do with Snow denying that Regina is Henry's mother?

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  41. DarthLocke411 February 2013 at 15:41

    Love this one! So Good just like LOST Hugo episodes!

    So many Lost references: Belle watching Expose', Oceanic/the Airport, name: Abraham, name: James + alias + conman, Name: David, Name: Jack (Jacqueline) (Female variant of Jacob and may double reference with Alias: Jacqueline Sloane/Assassin, Theological reference similarities, ect

    I loved the way twins and backwards sized/good and bad juxtapositions where used...that Dwarfs make fairy dust and Giants make beans. Dwarfs work underground in mines and Giants live up in the sky and that the sleeping giant Anton/Tiny wasn't too small to for the Dwarfs and that he could find a place with them!

    Love that Leroy has been in the past few episodes, he also had allusions to James Ford, but opposite, he went from Dreamy to Grumpy, where Sawyer went from Grumpy to Dreamy and both have said SOB! -The we have David and James who James reflects con-man womanizer Sawyer, and David is sometime "Sheriff" like Sawyer after he kills Anthony Cooper and goes to the 1970;s, but really because David is steady, he's more like Jack Shepphard, which David was literally a shepherd. David is also the name of Jack's son in FS. David and Emma both drive John Locke automobiles (Brown Truck/Bug)



    Oh! Regina's smile was just priceless! I knew her good behavior couldn't last too long, but I hope when it gets down to it, Cora has ill intentions for Henry that Regina will do the right thing! It was nice to see L.P. and J.G. share a scene.


    I liked the airport scenes. R.C. did a good job and the look on Gold's face when Emma said, "My father..."


    Anyways thought this one was a fun one! I hope we see a little more of Anton before the season ends, but I am also anxious to get back to some characters that have been a little neglected, not to mention I'm curious to see what Cora's end game might be!

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  42. DarthLocke411 February 2013 at 15:45

    I think it is kind of fun to call James "Evil Charming", because it's not like he doesn't have any charm, it's just he uses it for evil purposes! :D

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  43. DarthLocke411 February 2013 at 15:58

    I think it was very intentional since both characters become the protectors of something important and after Jack dies! In Alcatraz he did a good job of being more studious or intellectual so I know that he give a different vibe if he wanted to, but I'm pretty sure with all of the other lost references and juxtapositions this particular episode gave that Antone was suppose to remind us of Hugo (at least he didn't through a blue VW Bus! :p)

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  44. DarthLocke411 February 2013 at 16:01

    LOL! That's def a loose thread lingering around! I imagine that what ever episode Regina finds out Rumple is her father, there might be something relating to Greg going on! I hope he's not a red herring!

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  45. Aydrian11 February 2013 at 16:14

    Okay, by that logic lets say that a woman gives a child up for adoption, and the person who happens to adopt that child has murdered even half the number of people that Regina has, and is still considered a prolific serial killer. Now lets say that woman wants her child back. If that serial killer is trying to change his or her ways and genuinely cares for the child, does that still make him or her suitable to be that child's parent?


    Because it's the exact same thing here, and it's highly disturbing that people are ignoring that. Is she Henry's mother? Yes of course. But if she a suitable mother? Hell no! She ripped people's hearts out of their chest, many times only because she could, and she's currently allying herself with the one person who has actually murdered more innocent people than she has.


    Trying to change doesn't absolve her of her crimes, especially when it seems like she's in danger of repeating those very same crimes again. She's in the process of redeeming herself, but she hasn't actually done it yet.

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  46. C11 February 2013 at 16:24

    ..yet she is STILL actually his mother. And Emma is still kidnapping him. So Snow trying to act like she doesn't get to be even informed of what someone is doing with HER child? That is not okay, not by any stretch.

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  47. Aydrian11 February 2013 at 16:33

    Did you actually forget that no one knew where Regina was? Did people forget the first thing that Snow said, that Regina was unreachable? How can they inform her of anything if she vanishes without a trace and leaves absolutely no method of contacting her?

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  48. Nathalie Simon11 February 2013 at 17:08

    I thought that was the lamest excuse ever to be honest. Ruby knew that Regina had gone "underground". If Charming, who's been in her vault more than once, put one and one together they could have easily figured where she was in 2.12. If they'd attempted to call her (mobile or at the mansion), I'm sure they would have found out that she was no longer hiding by the end of 2.12. They just didn't bother because they don't consider her Henry's parent.

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  49. C11 February 2013 at 17:19

    Then they leave the kid and, you know, DON'T KIDNAP HIM. Because if Emma got arrested for it, it would be pretty hard for anyone to go bail her out. It doesn't really matter how 'unreachable' she was sitting in the middle of the street of main street in her car, she's his mother.

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  50. Chase Hunter11 February 2013 at 17:30

    Well, to me the reason why I think Regina is not as guilty as you make her out to be is because she was manipulated by many people and one in particular who influenced her ways so much that she was sort of like under a spell. Cora who was a neglecting and abusing mother towards Regina and of course let's not forget that she killed Daniel right in front of Regina. Rumple who has manipulated the circumstances surrounding Regina's life since she was born and him pushing her to proceed with the curse because he was a loser and a coward for not jumping into a portal with his son before I THINK even Cora was born. I even think why Cora came out bad has something to do with Rumple who I strongly believed wanted her to enact the curse for him when he was training her. Although we will find out why she turned out so bad in the future episode The Miller's daughter. To me the whole reason why this entire show has happened was because Rumple lost his son when he was being a coward and an idiot and that led him to find Cora who after being trained wouldn't or couldn't perform the curse and so he had to wait until Regina was born and started twisting her life. So, although I do not consider Regina a saint, I would not say that she is the most evil person in town when she has been controlled by manipulated circumstances and the death of her lover which Snow had a part to play in however minor and the fact that she is not going to get Henry back and even if she does there is going to be many confrontations with Emma, Henry himself, Henry's father who if it is Baelfire, then that also concerns Rumple and then of course "the two idiots." Other people who have manipulated Regina were Dr. Whale and the Mad Hatter who were acting like "good ol' boys" when they helped the mastermind Rumple.
    In conclusion, Regina is a neutral and tragic character who has acted out on her emotions and the twisted cage of control that she has been in since she was born.

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  51. Aydrian11 February 2013 at 17:59

    They didn't bother because she keeps trying to kill them.

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  52. Xaverie11 February 2013 at 18:07

    Again, why does that mean she's not his mother? They've tried to kill her too.

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  53. Nathalie Simon11 February 2013 at 18:10

    Not my point? It's up to the Charmings why they decide to ignore Regina's role in Henry's life. My point was that "you were nowhere to be found" was by no means a legit argument.

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  54. ShatteredOne11 February 2013 at 18:38

    Ha nice catch, protector of something important after "Jack" dies. Love the Lost references one can make, give us Losties an extra bit of fun watching this show.


    That's true, Jorge can give a studious/intellectual vibe if he wanted but I also did see Hugo in that role as well. But it's just who he is, and hell Hugo was one of my favorite characters so this isn't me complaining. Please let Anton drive a beat up, 70s, blue VW Bus (with or without a Dharma logo) to run over Cora at the end of the season!

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  55. DarthLocke411 February 2013 at 19:41

    LOL! That would actually be a really fun way to end the season! :D

    I know a lot of people that are peeved at Lost get really irritated with the referencing back to it, but I think it's so fun to be able to think back to it and be able to see those ideas spun in a new way always gives me " a nice little giggle".

    It's also sort of funny because the Creators of Once wrote the majority of Hugo-centric episodes, which tend to be more comical, whimsical, and/or a bit manic. I think Once is defiantly on the manic side!

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  56. ShatteredOne11 February 2013 at 20:28

    Ah well I feel sorry for the people who are peeved at Lost for whatever reason, but I understand their frustation if a show they didn't like kept getting referenced. However I think its the minority that is frustrated so its not hurting a lot of fans.


    I didn't know that the creators of Once wrote a lot of the Hugo-centric episodes. And while they were a bit comical/whimsical they were also a tad dark. What with the guy committing suicide at Hugo's company, his mother breaking her ankle, the house burning down, his uncle dying, the priest at his uncle's funeral getting hit by lightning. And I suppose that's why I like Once, cause Hugo-centric episodes were some of my favorites.

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  57. Porochaz11 February 2013 at 22:29

    God... I loved Jorge in Lost but he's terrible in this show.


    Bit of a dull episode to be honest.

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  58. Leonie198811 February 2013 at 22:54

    can a mass murderer be the legal guardian of any child? kidnapping is a harsh word, Regina could not be found, otherwise Emma might have asked her.

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  59. Leonie198811 February 2013 at 22:55

    still a mass murderer, so court would grant her victory over Emma.

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  60. Leonie198811 February 2013 at 22:56

    why 7 dislikes? she does keep trying to kill them.

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  61. Leonie198811 February 2013 at 22:58

    ONCE! And Snow stopped it. People can like her, but sweet talking murders is crazy.

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  62. Leonie198811 February 2013 at 23:02

    Haha, I loved the end when Snow said she loved the action and missed it :)

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  63. phnxgrl11 February 2013 at 23:22

    This episode had so many reveals! It was awesome!

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  64. phnxgrl11 February 2013 at 23:28

    Cora's gift was a locator globe it pin pointed to the person Mr. Gold wanted to see the most. So that is why he knew to go to New York City.

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  65. Rodrigo Sanatora11 February 2013 at 23:59

    Soooooo no one is discussing the most important part of last night’s episode. If Rumpelstiltskin has never left Storybrooke and Regina said that Rumpel had a hand in the adoption of Henry then how the hell did Henry get to Storybrooke?( I’m assuming Regina didn’t leave either because she seems bound by the curse like everyone else despite casting it.)

    You can’t just FedEx a baby.

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  66. Aydrian12 February 2013 at 02:14

    It's not the same thing! They've only tried to kill her in response to her trying to kill them. They do it in self defense, Regina does it because she intentionally wants them dead.

    The number of people who upvoted you and didn't know the difference kind of hurts my head. It's the very obvious difference between killing a murdering psychopath who is currently trying to kill you, and BEING the psychopath who is trying to kill someone. -_-

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  67. lugita1512 February 2013 at 03:43

    Ouroboros, do you have a link or something for them confirming it?

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  68. Ouroboros12 February 2013 at 04:50

    Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoEay4JK9pI
    At around 6:37 :)

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  69. Nichole Marson12 February 2013 at 09:07

    What no one has mentioned that I actually found odd, was Henry. He didn't mention Regina. I honestly expected there to be a, "Here Henry left this for you" letter, sure it could have been more about the excitement of going on his adventure then missing her, but he still calls her Mom all the time and there was nothing to indicate that Henry was concerned about how this would effect her. I was actually shocked that henry didn't at least leave a letter, card or note.

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  70. Leonie198812 February 2013 at 13:49

    true! I find it strange how the writers changed Henry this season. In the first one, he always called her the evil queen and then he didn't even know if it was really her or not. and now he always calls her mom. Maybe because she is trying to change... but it would have been nicer, if he had been more positive towards her in the first season.

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  71. DarthLocke412 February 2013 at 15:18

    Yeah they definitely had darkness in them! And I agree that Hugo episodes where some of the BEST ones!

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  72. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 14:22

    You know that there is a difference between actual self-defense and an execution decided by people that don't like you, right?

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  73. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 14:23

    Umm, what? I think you're confusing fairytale land where royals make decisions based on what is good for them with real world courts. because no court would grant Emma 'victory' over Regina. Especially when Emma has kidnapped him.

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  74. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 14:23

    No, kidnapping is not a 'harsh' word. It is the ACTUAL WORD FOR IT. There is literally no other word for it.

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  75. Aydrian13 February 2013 at 14:40

    You do know that if someone attempts to keep murdering, you know like Regina has, then you have the right to make sure she stops, right?

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  76. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 15:29

    That logic only works if that is what they did. And they didn't.

    Plus, we've seen Snow White attempt to murder Regina before that.

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  77. Aydrian13 February 2013 at 17:12

    And we've also seen her spare Regina multiple times. I really want you to think this through. If someone killed a family member that you loved, and then tried to murder you and everyone around you multiple times, would you be able to stand there at your doorway and apologize to that person for accusing him or her of one of the few crimes they didn't commit? Or would you do anything you could to protect the rest of your family from someone who has already tried to kill them before? Even if it means killing that person.



    Because what people are continuously deciding to do is sympathize with the murderer, and criticize the victim for not forgiving the murderer, which is stupid as hell. I'm really sorry, I want to say I understand your point of view, but it makes absolutely no sense.


    People are completely ignoring the fact that Regina is in fact working with Cora again. Did I miss the scene where she tried to warn help Charming with the giant trying to kill him? Is it a deleted scene? Because for a woman who is trying to redeem herself, she seems really quick to put everyone else in danger to serve her own goals.


    A person who was psychologically abused as a child is still held accountable for their actions if they do something terrible. Regina is has done terrible things, she keeps doing terrible things, and so far she has not had to answer for those terrible things.


    Regina is a mass murderer and the only reason she's still alive is because Snow keeps talking people out of killing her. The very few good things she has done over the course of this series were as a result of her creating the problem with the intention of killing or hurting people in the first place. And even then, she didn't try to change because she truly wanted to, she tried to change because she loves Henry and doesn't want to lose him.


    It is completely and utterly batshit crazy that anyone ignore every single bad thing she's ever done and treat her like she's another victim. She was a victim a very long time ago, a victim of the woman she is currently allied with, but that doesn't even begin to excuse her actions. I don't understand why so many people can't wrap their heads around that.


    You know what? Trying to inject some logical thinking into this fandom is like spitting in the wind. People are going to believe whatever they want to believe, no matter how crazy or nonsensical it is. So I'm just going to go do the easier thing.


    From now on I'm going to do what everyone else is doing:


    1) I'll be annoyed by Charming for one reason or another in every episode.


    2) I'll like a character one episode and then hate him for the next five, despite the fact that he's the same character from his first appearance.


    3) I'll actually believe that nothing Regina ever did, like ripping peoples hearts out, should influence how people see her now. Why doesn't everyone just forgive this poor, misunderstood psychopath?! She's really trying so hard although she's still doing evil things behind everyone's back. She must never be held accountable for her actions! Ever!

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  78. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 17:16

    I don't understand what your nonsensical ranting is about. We've also seen Regina spare them multiple times. What does it have to do with anything?

    What does it have anything to do with Regina being the mother of Henry and Snow and Charming being nothing at all to him. Emma kidnapped Henry. Snow and Charming are defending it and saying Regina is not his mother. That's wrong. How is there another way to argue it?

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  79. Linlighthouse13 February 2013 at 17:30

    Jerry to me.

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  80. Aydrian13 February 2013 at 18:50

    O.o Okay, I'm a complete and utter idiot. I didn't realize you were one of THOSE kinds of fans. Yeah, this conversation isn't going any further. I wish I could say it's been a pleasure chatting with you, but we both know that would be a lie.


    Seriously, there is no way I can take you seriously after you said that Emma kidnapped Henry.

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  81. Ralissa Vassilissa13 February 2013 at 19:19

    I suggest that you rewatch "An Apple Red As Blood".
    Mary Margaret gave Emma the third degree for "abducting Henry", and I quote "So you don't want people to rely on you, but you took your son. Now that sounds like a stable home for him. What the hell is wrong with you?" (Oh, the irony...)
    I just want to point out that abduct and kidnap are synonyms. @disqus_uBicBtsBpz:disqus was not wrong to say that Emma kidnapped Henry this time, it's precisely what she did. Except in 1x21 she wanted to take Henry to Boston to live with her, and in 2x13 she's taking him along on a trip with Rumplestiltskin who threatened to kill her entire family if Belle was harmed.
    No need to overreact to my comment as well, I'm merely stating facts.

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  82. Leonie198813 February 2013 at 19:34

    She killed Graham in the real world, so she is a murderer. Get your facts straight.

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  83. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 19:35

    What does 'one of those kinds of fans' mean? One that doesn't think that just because it's Snow White and Prince Charming it has to be right? I do run across their stans trying to make excuses for them quite a bit so I'm not surprised to find you here.

    I know you want your woobie to not be guilty of kidnapping but that EXACTLY WHAT THE LAW CALLS IT. Literally. Even parents with legal rights, which Emma does not have, are arrested for taking a child across state lines without permission. There is literally no other word to call it.

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  84. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 19:35

    Don't bother. This person doesn't know what kidnapping means.

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  85. stormqueen13 February 2013 at 19:36

    LOL. For a court to grant Emma custody, that would have to be proven. And since you can't use "she yanked a magical glowing heart from his chest and then crushed it to dust!" in, you know, a court of law, Emma would probably lose ANY visitation rights to Henry and get some time in psychiatric care.

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  86. Aydrian13 February 2013 at 20:44

    I'm adding both the basic definition and legal definition of kidnapping and abduction below. What she did the first time doesn't in any way involve abduction, and it BARELY involves kidnapping. Like in the most basic way possible. Only in the legal sense, but if legalities had anything to do with this then Regina would be considered an unfit mother anyway.

    The second time applies to neither of those definitions. At all! The kidnapping barely applies the first time and doesn't apply at all in the second. Besides, are you forgetting that Cora is quite interested in Henry? Wouldn't it be safe to take him with her beyond a barrier that Cora can't cross, instead of leaving him in a town with a constantly disappearing adoptive mother who has tried to kill his family multiple times and is actually in league with Cora?

    The commonality between those two words is "force". I must have missed the part where Henry was forced to go with them.


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    Definition of Abduction: The action or an instance of forcibly taking a person or persons away against their will.

    Legal Definition: the criminal taking away a person by persuasion (convincing
    someone--particularly a minor or a woman he/she is better off leaving
    with the persuader), by fraud (telling the person he/she is needed, or
    that the mother or father wants him/her to come with the abductor), or
    by open force or violence. Originally abduction applied only to protect
    women and children as victims. Currently in most states it can also
    apply to an adult male. In fact, in some states like New York abduction
    meant the unlawful taking or detention of any female for purposes of
    "marriage, concubinage or prostitution." Kidnapping is more limited,
    requiring force, threat of force of an adult or the taking of children

    Definition of Kidnapping: Take (someone) away illegally by force, typically to obtain a ransom.

    Legal Definition: the taking of a person against his/her will (or from the control of a
    parent or guardian) from one place to another under circumstances in
    which the person so taken does not have freedom of movement, will, or
    decision through violence, force, threat or intimidation. Although it
    is not necessary that the purpose be criminal (since all kidnapping is a
    criminal felony) the capture usually involves some related criminal act
    such as holding the person for ransom, sexual and/or sadistic abuse, or
    rape. It includes taking due to irresistible impulse and a parent
    taking and hiding a child in violation of court order. An included
    crime is false imprisonment. Any harm to the victim coupled with
    kidnapping can raise the degree of felony for the injury and can result
    in a capital (death penalty) offense in some states, even though the
    victim survives. Originally it meant the stealing of children, since
    "kid" is child in Scandinavian languages, but now applies to adults as
    well.

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  87. Ralissa Vassilissa13 February 2013 at 23:49

    If you wish to discuss the law, you need to make reference to authority - your legal sources must state the law of Maine in order to be attached any weight in court.
    As I don't have access to the relevant legal sources, I will have to rely on other sources.

    Collins English dictionary (10th ed.)
    abduction - the act of taking someone away by force or cunning; kidnapping
    kidnap - to carry off and hold (a person), usually for ransom

    In addition, in the American Heritage dictionary (4th ed), kidnap was listed as a synonym of abduct. In a different dictionary, the legal definition of abduct was "the illegal carrying or enticing away of a person, especially by interfering with a relationship, as the taking of a child from its parent."

    While "kidnap" is used mostly in spoken American English, the term "abduct" is the one used in legal parlance. However, force is not always necessary, especially in cases of child abduction.

    Broadly speaking child abduction is the unauthorized removal of a minor (a child under the age of legal adulthood) from the custody of the child's parents or legal guardians. The fact that Henry willingly went with Emma on the second trip is irrelevant because he is merely 10 years old. Given his age, the absence of consent may be readily inferred by the court.

    Emma did commit a felony by taking Henry to another state without Regina's permission and I highly doubt that in the real world the trio would waltz through airport security so easily. After all, Emma has no legal rights to Henry and she had not obtained his adoptive mother's permission. In my experience security at international airports are not nearly as negligent in their work as to allow two strangers to travel with a minor without the necessary paperwork.

    And if Emma tries to acquire the legal rights to Henry, no court will grant her sole custody - in this world Regina has been the Storybrooke Mayor, she has considerable resources, while Emma has a criminal record (the most recent charges against her were even raised in Storybrooke) and shares a small flat with her, well, friends. Try leading evidence in court that Regina is the Evil Queen and that Emma is Snow White and Prince Charming's daughter!

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  88. Aydrian14 February 2013 at 03:15

    It is absolutely pointless continuing this conversation. I think you guys are being ridiculous in saying Emma kidnapped or abducted Henry from someone who has been trying to destroy his family for decades, even saying that allowed is really stupid, and for some reason you're arguing in defense of a mass murderer?


    I'm sorry, I want to understand where you're coming from but I just don't. It is completely and utterly illogical.

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  89. Ralissa Vassilissa14 February 2013 at 11:52

    You're right, continuing this conversation is pointless because you prefer to blame someone else for being "utterly illogical" if they have a different opinion, instead of have an actual discussion and present arguments to rebut that opinion. Anyway, if you don't want to understand my view and think it's stupid, fine, that's your choice.

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