I can't believe that the two scenes they give us are the scenes that have had parts of their script released. Give us some Neal/Bae, Emma, and Rumple scenes!!!!!!!
But Regina's confrontation with Cora back in "In The Name of The Brother" was a pretty big moment, and they gave us that. They could possibly give us Neal, at least that's what I'm hoping.
I still have hope that Regina just playing Cora for everyone's sake (first of all Henry's)... Because, hey, what about her path to redemption? Or she is going to threw it is all away because her abusive mother "proud" of her? She is a grown up woman with actual mental age past sixty (if you count 28 years in Storybrooke) and still acting like some teen girl who needs her parents approval... I'm so disappointed right now.
My friend got a nice idea. What if Bae is very, very old and Neal is his son? Or maybe it is the big reveal that Neal is not Bae. They made us think that he is, we know he is Neal but maybe it is something more complicated than this. I just wonder why he was trying to escape? And we know that Emma was chasing Neal because she said "no" when she saw him and besides you can clearly recognise him. He has a thing for hoods thou :D
I don't think she's playing Cora, but actually it seems quite realistic to me that she'd revert back to who she used to be and seek Cora's approval.
Just think about it - Regina was in control (or so she thought) of Storybrooke for 28 years. Her revenge was complete, she didn't fear for her safety or power. Frankly the woman we saw in the pilot may have had some of the features of the Evil Queen, but she was a very different version of her - she had allowed herself to care again, to have feelings for Graham (as Lana admitted) and even to love her son Henry. That is a very major leap from "love is weakness" and it shows just how her priorities shifted while she was temporarily free from Cora's abuse and Rumple's mind tricks.
Yeah, maybe you are really right about that all. Still I have a hope that she can fight her mother for Henry's sake at future. Maybe his traveling with Rumple and Emma was a last reason that push her in to the "caring" mother arms?
Good point. Emma taking Henry away, plus Snow's comment that she doesn't need to ask permission, confirmed Cora's words in the car. Mommy dearest planted the seeds of doubt in her daughter and Snow's denial of Regina's parental rights came at precisely the wrong time to support those suspicions.
Just like you, I hope that Regina will break away from her mother's influence soon. It is bound to happen when she has to choose between her love for Henry and her loyalty to Cora.
When you put it like that, makes me feel even worse for Regina (if that's at all possible). And, yes, Regina and Gold are what's saving this season, character development-wise. Even if you hate her, at least you can understand why she acts the way she does.
I know these are just sneak peeks, but I do hope they give us a good explanation on how Rumple managed to find the exact building his son was living in. Cause NYC is huge and I'm not buying it if they just occasionally ran into the place.
And, god, I wanna hug Regina! It's so absolutely clear how easily Cora can manipulate her it hurts me. And to those saying she is the one manipulating Cora, I highly doubt it. It's just as she said in Queen of Hearts: her mother is her weakness because she loves her. It was her weakness before, it is her weakness now. With the additional fact she is the only one willing to let Regina love her. Unfortunately, I guess this is genuine.
The Only thing I wonder about is that if Cora was involved in coercing the curse, since we know that Rumple is Regina's father...because Ultimately Regina ends up killing the one thing she loved most in order to enact it, which was her father (Oedipus complex?)...
In a way, by adopting Henry and naming him after her father, we see that Regina innately (since she wasn't consciencly aware the whole time about her past life/identity) wasn't able to let go of that love. So there might be something here, where for Regina to truly become like her mother, or maybe even worse, killing Henry (a child of youth and promise as opposed to an old man) again would be what it takes for Regina to loose all of her humanity, something she has yet to do, because it's Henry that pushed her to do the right thing.
I kind of feel like the curse is gateway to a life where one repeats certain situations/confrontations, but that it's a second chance for them to try and change for a better outcome...
Here a big ass teaser- while some of you believe to have the mystery of Rumplestiltskin’s son all figured out, I shall relate a lesson Bae’s dad is about to learn from a sneaky seer: Just because you know what’s going to happen doesn't mean you know what’s going to happen,so if Neal is bae he going to either not remember him or try to kill him or the bigger shocker will be that he not bae but his son but then they say its confirm that mr gold will meet his son so it can be a bigger shock that bae is going to to kill mr gold or turn out to be just as evil as his father.
It is understandable that Regina is allying herself with Regina. But it's still not excusable. At some point Regina has to grow up, stop looking for Mommy's love, and stop using the lack of that love as an excuse for the bad things she herself does.
When Regina was a young woman, Cora manipulated her into getting engaged to Snow's father. Knowing who her mother was and how ruthless she was, Regina still confided in Snow and when Cora killed Daniel, Regina blamed Snow, a young child who didn't know better, rather than Cora. Thus Regina began a campaign that killed Snow's father, a number of children she manipulated into getting into the witch's cottage and who knows how many other people. She separated Jefferson from the daughter he loved and abandoned him in Wonderland when she could have just as easily waited till they were back in the Enchanted Forest to revive her father.
Regina's had a father who loved her even if her mother was toxic. That's more than many people have, more than Emma had, and they don't go on killing sprees. But Regina was so obsessed with getting even with Snow that she killed her own father to make the spell work. She also killed Graham just because he was starting to move away from being her sex slave and then tried to kill Emma and Charming.
Emma taking Henry on a temporary trip out of Storybrook doesn't excuse Regina making Tiny the giant huge again so he can wreck the town and possibly kill some of the citizens. At some point, she has to take responsibility for her own actions rather excusing herself because she's still trying to win the love of a truly sick woman.
But Regina never lost her memories (as she explains in the 3rd sneak peek for "Manhattan"). She consciously named her son after her father, which is not an unusual thing to do under normal circumstances. However given the fact she killed Henry Sr., this begs the question why she did it - was it out of guilt, or to honour him because she honestly believes that she still loves him and she had no choice but to kill him? Gosh, my stomach turns when I think about the relationship between Regina and each of her parents. Then again, children usually learn from their parents' example, and we all know what a brilliant role model Cora was when it comes to love. :/ Talk about Black Widow!
I don't think we can infer an Oedipus complex (or more accurately, an Electra complex) in Regina though. In the scene where Rumple tells her how to enact the curse, the first person she thinks of as the thing she loves most is Daniel. It is then Rumple who suggests there must be someone else (and I bet Rumple would have known just who that was). Moreover, we know there were only three people she loved at the time she enacted the curse: her parents and Daniel. It's hardly surprising that she loved her father more than Cora.
Anyway, I doubt that Regina will ever choose to kill her son. It is just the opposite of what her development has been toward so far and the writers won't go there - after all, the show is about hope. Moreover, Henry has served as a major plot-device throughout all episodes, in the s1 to push Emma to believe, in the s2 to push Regina to redeem herself. If he were killed off, specifically by Regina, there would be only one scenario left to play out between the core characters - revenge for his death, coming full circle and ending the series. That's the last thing any viewer wants.
Ah, I haven't seen the third sneak peek! (the writers recently said otherwise, so that's an interesting development! In fact I had someone correct me on it, because It seemed like Rumple and Regina more or less remembered things, but then I was told otherwise...)
No. I don't think Regina could ever do it either, but I know we were talking about what the heck is Cora's end game is (in regards to Regina) not too long ago, and I just think the curse might be another possible interesting facet to that since now we know Rumple and Cora are closer than perhaps previously thought.
I agree that she loved more than just her father, just curious, since he was kind of all she had left, that it would be his death to enact the curse. Whether conscience or not, I find it interesting that would adopt a "son" and name him after her father, considering what she was willing to do to him, and now that especially that she remembers what she had done to him. It's like she uses Henry Jr. as a way to [emotionally] get Henry Sr. back, which is a little ironic, because he always reminds me of Snow...
Of course I want to know if Rumple knew (had visions of) Henry Jr would exist 'in the future', and that's why it had to be Henry Sr. that Regina needed to kill? Then there is the whole how the heck did Rumple procure Henry to begin with...did the curse manifest it for him, or did he have to prepare by having "outside" connections??? I just think the curse in relation to being a Seer might be hinting at collective conscience and so some of these things might be a little more than a choice or coincidence...
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The Evil Queen, the Queen of Hearts and Captain Hook walk into a library... (rofl) So excited about this!
ReplyDeleteNotice the way Regina lit up when Cora said she was impressed... ;(
oh God that is so sad. how her mother only approves when Regina is up to no good.
ReplyDeleteTruly a toxic parent.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe that the two scenes they give us are the scenes that have had parts of their script released. Give us some Neal/Bae, Emma, and Rumple scenes!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteOh! come on! give me some Neal/Emma, please!!!
ReplyDeleteThey're probably not going to give us Neal in these. That's the big reveal! haha
ReplyDeleteBut Regina's confrontation with Cora back in "In The Name of The Brother" was a pretty big moment, and they gave us that. They could possibly give us Neal, at least that's what I'm hoping.
ReplyDeleteEveryone already knows it is Neal, I would be suprised if its not. Pretty sure it is though.
ReplyDeleteI love how Regina turns to Hook with a "would you please stop whining" look lol
ReplyDeleteTHIS WHOLE SEASON HAS BEEN SO FREAKING PREDICTABLE. I JUST CAN'T WITH THESE WRITERS.
ReplyDeleteOh snap, they both cut off at the good parts! This ep is is gonna be epically awesome, can't wait!
ReplyDeleteI still have hope that Regina just playing Cora for everyone's sake (first of all Henry's)... Because, hey, what about her path to redemption? Or she is going to threw it is all away because her abusive mother "proud" of her? She is a grown up woman with actual mental age past sixty (if you count 28 years in Storybrooke) and still acting like some teen girl who needs her parents approval... I'm so disappointed right now.
ReplyDeleteMy friend got a nice idea.
ReplyDeleteWhat if Bae is very, very old and Neal is his son? Or maybe it is the big reveal that Neal is not Bae. They made us think that he is, we know he is Neal but maybe it is something more complicated than this.
I just wonder why he was trying to escape?
And we know that Emma was chasing Neal because she said "no" when she saw him and besides you can clearly recognise him. He has a thing for hoods thou :D
Well, they can't since that is the co called "surprise" :)
ReplyDeleteI don't think she's playing Cora, but actually it seems quite realistic to me that she'd revert back to who she used to be and seek Cora's approval.
ReplyDeleteJust think about it - Regina was in control (or so she thought) of Storybrooke for 28 years. Her revenge was complete, she didn't fear for her safety or power. Frankly the woman we saw in the pilot may have had some of the features of the Evil Queen, but she was a very different version of her - she had allowed herself to care again, to have feelings for Graham (as Lana admitted) and even to love her son Henry. That is a very major leap from "love is weakness" and it shows just how her priorities shifted while she was temporarily free from Cora's abuse and Rumple's mind tricks.
But then Emma showed up and the status quo changed lightning fast. We saw how desperately Regina struggled to regain control, and how she failed miserably. In a short time, she witnessed Henry flat-line after eating the apple turnover she made; the curse was broken and she was almost killed by an angry mob; then she was almost destroyed by the wraith; she turned to magic only to have Henry give her an intervention of sorts; she promised to give up magic, and let him move in with Charming; she gave up the post of Mayor; Dr. Whale revived her dead ex-fiancée and she had to use magic to end his suffering; then she discovered Henry's scars and had to seek out Gold for help; then she learned that Cora was alive and coming to town; Gold used her concern for Henry's safety to convince her to help him put a trap on the magic portal; then Henry asked her to lift the trap and she did it despite fearing for his life; she saved MM and Emma's lives only to have Gold sneer at her that she was ignored by Henry and not invited to the celebration; the next day Emma did invite her and she swallowed her pride and went to Granny's diner and put up with the snide remarks and hostile looks for the sake of being around Henry; then she was framed for Archie's murder and confronted by the Charmings; she saw Henry being told by Emma that she had killed Archie; she hid underground, alone; then Cora showed up and promised to redeem herself, but then used her love for Henry to get under her skin again.
All in all, I'd say in a very short time Regina has gone through all the emotions humanly possible, constantly doubted by Henry and the Charmings, constantly told that she's not worthy of trust, let alone love. Without any real support system, I don't see how anyone can withstand such mental hurdles. And it becomes clear in "The Cricket Game" that the Evil Queen is the survival mechanism Regina adopted to cope with loss. It's also only natural that after this overload of emotions Regina would cling to Cora's promises to help her get Henry back like a drowning man would clutch at straw. Moreover, it doesn't matter how old you get, you are always your parents' child.
Imho, Regina's development this season is the most logical and consistent writing for a character out of them all, followed by MM/Snow and Gold/Rumple.
Still, at least show us SOMETHING! Or hopefully something with the Seer!!
ReplyDeleteYeah, maybe you are really right about that all. Still I have a hope that she can fight her mother for Henry's sake at future. Maybe his traveling with Rumple and Emma was a last reason that push her in to the "caring" mother arms?
ReplyDeleteGood point. Emma taking Henry away, plus Snow's comment that she doesn't need to ask permission, confirmed Cora's words in the car. Mommy dearest planted the seeds of doubt in her daughter and Snow's denial of Regina's parental rights came at precisely the wrong time to support those suspicions.
ReplyDeleteJust like you, I hope that Regina will break away from her mother's influence soon. It is bound to happen when she has to choose between her love for Henry and her loyalty to Cora.
Makes so much sense they let Hook go! Not.
ReplyDeleteWhen you put it like that, makes me feel even worse for Regina (if that's at all possible). And, yes, Regina and Gold are what's saving this season, character development-wise. Even if you hate her, at least you can understand why she acts the way she does.
ReplyDeleteI know these are just sneak peeks, but I do hope they give us a good explanation on how Rumple managed to find the exact building his son was living in. Cause NYC is huge and I'm not buying it if they just occasionally ran into the place.
ReplyDeleteAnd, god, I wanna hug Regina! It's so absolutely clear how easily Cora can manipulate her it hurts me. And to those saying she is the one manipulating Cora, I highly doubt it. It's just as she said in Queen of Hearts: her mother is her weakness because she loves her. It was her weakness before, it is her weakness now. With the additional fact she is the only one willing to let Regina love her. Unfortunately, I guess this is genuine.
They'll probably find the dagger, but I'm kind of hoping it leads them to a trap!
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
ReplyDeleteThe Only thing I wonder about is that if Cora was involved in coercing the curse, since we know that Rumple is Regina's father...because Ultimately Regina ends up killing the one thing she loved most in order to enact it, which was her father (Oedipus complex?)...
In a way, by adopting Henry and naming him after her father, we see that Regina innately (since she wasn't consciencly aware the whole time about her past life/identity) wasn't able to let go of that love. So there might be something here, where for Regina to truly become like her mother, or maybe even worse, killing Henry (a child of youth and promise as opposed to an old man) again would be what it takes for Regina to loose all of her humanity, something she has yet to do, because it's Henry that pushed her to do the right thing.
I kind of feel like the curse is gateway to a life where one repeats certain situations/confrontations, but that it's a second chance for them to try and change for a better outcome...
Here a big ass teaser- while some of you believe to have the mystery of Rumplestiltskin’s son all figured out, I shall relate a lesson Bae’s dad is about to learn from a sneaky seer: Just because you know what’s going to happen doesn't mean you know what’s going to happen,so if Neal is bae he going to either not remember him or try to kill him or the bigger shocker will be that he not bae but his son but then they say its confirm that mr gold will meet his son so it can be a bigger shock that bae is going to to kill mr gold or turn out to be just as evil as his father.
ReplyDeleteIt is understandable that Regina is allying herself with Regina. But it's still not excusable. At some point Regina has to grow up, stop looking for Mommy's love, and stop using the lack of that love as an excuse for the bad things she herself does.
ReplyDeleteWhen Regina was a young woman, Cora manipulated her into getting engaged to Snow's father. Knowing who her mother was and how ruthless she was, Regina still confided in Snow and when Cora killed Daniel, Regina blamed Snow, a young child who didn't know better, rather than Cora. Thus Regina began a campaign that killed Snow's father, a number of children she manipulated into getting into the witch's cottage and who knows how many other people. She separated Jefferson from the daughter he loved and abandoned him in Wonderland when she could have just as easily waited till they were back in the Enchanted Forest to revive her father.
Regina's had a father who loved her even if her mother was toxic. That's more than many people have, more than Emma had, and they don't go on killing sprees. But Regina was so obsessed with getting even with Snow that she killed her own father to make the spell work. She also killed Graham just because he was starting to move away from being her sex slave and then tried to kill Emma and Charming.
Emma taking Henry on a temporary trip out of Storybrook doesn't excuse Regina making Tiny the giant huge again so he can wreck the town and possibly kill some of the citizens. At some point, she has to take responsibility for her own actions rather excusing herself because she's still trying to win the love of a truly sick woman.
But Regina never lost her memories (as she explains in the 3rd sneak peek for "Manhattan"). She consciously named her son after her father, which is not an unusual thing to do under normal circumstances. However given the fact she killed Henry Sr., this begs the question why she did it - was it out of guilt, or to honour him because she honestly believes that she still loves him and she had no choice but to kill him? Gosh, my stomach turns when I think about the relationship between Regina and each of her parents. Then again, children usually learn from their parents' example, and we all know what a brilliant role model Cora was when it comes to love. :/ Talk about Black Widow!
ReplyDeleteI don't think we can infer an Oedipus complex (or more accurately, an Electra complex) in Regina though. In the scene where Rumple tells her how to enact the curse, the first person she thinks of as the thing she loves most is Daniel. It is then Rumple who suggests there must be someone else (and I bet Rumple would have known just who that was). Moreover, we know there were only three people she loved at the time she enacted the curse: her parents and Daniel. It's hardly surprising that she loved her father more than Cora.
Anyway, I doubt that Regina will ever choose to kill her son. It is just the opposite of what her development has been toward so far and the writers won't go there - after all, the show is about hope. Moreover, Henry has served as a major plot-device throughout all episodes, in the s1 to push Emma to believe, in the s2 to push Regina to redeem herself. If he were killed off, specifically by Regina, there would be only one scenario left to play out between the core characters - revenge for his death, coming full circle and ending the series. That's the last thing any viewer wants.
Ah, I haven't seen the third sneak peek! (the writers recently said otherwise, so that's an interesting development! In fact I had someone correct me on it, because It seemed like Rumple and Regina more or less remembered things, but then I was told otherwise...)
ReplyDeleteNo. I don't think Regina could ever do it either, but I know we were talking about what the heck is Cora's end game is (in regards to Regina) not too long ago, and I just think the curse might be another possible interesting facet to that since now we know Rumple and Cora are closer than perhaps previously thought.
I agree that she loved more than just her father, just curious, since he was kind of all she had left, that it would be his death to enact the curse. Whether conscience or not, I find it interesting that would adopt a "son" and name him after her father, considering what she was willing to do to him, and now that especially that she remembers what she had done to him. It's like she uses Henry Jr. as a way to [emotionally] get Henry Sr. back, which is a little ironic, because he always reminds me of Snow...
Of course I want to know if Rumple knew (had visions of) Henry Jr would exist 'in the future', and that's why it had to be Henry Sr. that Regina needed to kill? Then there is the whole how the heck did Rumple procure Henry to begin with...did the curse manifest it for him, or did he have to prepare by having "outside" connections??? I just think the curse in relation to being a Seer might be hinting at collective conscience and so some of these things might be a little more than a choice or coincidence...
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