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I had to choose Zachariah, even though he wasn't a Big Villain, but because he was such a unique one... an *angel*, and so very (by his own admission) petty... manipulative, scheming... his smirk, all the mind-tricks he pulled, what he did to the boys over and over again and just sort of reveling in the fact that he didn't have to worry about little things like human suffering, because he was so Very Righteous in his cause. It made him supremely creepy!
The Winchester family has been tangled up with him since Mary sold Sam to him. Then he was really unique with his yellow eyes, and the actor who played him was terrific too.
Well, there's one thing that you can never say about SPN: that they never had a damn good villain! Azazel, Lilith, Meg (at least originally), Zachariah...Ruby...and the most frightening man ever, Gordon Walker, Crowley--by far the one with the best disposition and possibly the smartest by way of self-preservation...Great chances for evilness, wit, and creep-factor all over!
Hard to decide, but seeing how Azazel put more work into his plans that reached all the way to priming the Winchesters for the return of Lucifer (who had performer's anxiety or something because he failed to deliver on the level that Azazel had everything worked out for him) I must choose Azazel. Even if others definitely were awesome as well. (even Lucifer, I enjoyed Pelligrino as Luci, he just didn't have his sh*t together like ol' yellow eyes)
Good-Lucifer, Meg season 1 and 2, Ruby, Lilith, Yellow Eyes, Gordon Walker, Alistair, Zachariah Meh-Crowley Crappy- Meg season 5, 6, 7 , Dick Roman, Raphael
Crowley is my favorite hands down. He basically saved some episodes for me. However the best villain is definitely Azazel because not only did he start it all but he was the most personal villain to me. Lucifer was personal also but he was too wishy washy and whiny to be scary.
I voted Azazel because he was downright terrifying at the time. But with the exceptions of Dick Roman, Raphael, and maybe Lillith, all of these made great villians. Lillith had potential and it was good casting, but she wasn't developed enough.
Alastair has been my favorite since I saw Christopher Heyerdahl play him..third time charm for this character. He was so evil and scary. Wish he had played him from the start and that he had been kept longer. Second place would be Zachariah.
Crowley, Lucifer, Azazel, all 3 are great picks, but for me Alastair wins on creepiness alone. He should have been on the show longer. He was the scariest to me.
Back then when I still cared about this show, it was a tough choice between Azazel and Lilith.
Azazel just had so much gravitas and was an awesome character(till the show dumbed him down) and Lilith was a VERY creepy little child commanding armies of hell(till they, yet again, dumbed her down). No one topped those two in that show(which is not surprising since past-S3, every "villain" has been a boring b-rate cliche snoozefest)
After a lot of of thought I just have to vote Azazel - I might hate S4-to-whatever-season-this-dragged-on-to more than anything in my life now, but Azazel will still remain one of the best villains in last decade or so
You missed the best villain, Alastair, and at least for me the best seasons 4 & 5. I loved the Angels and Demons arc and Castiel will forever be my favorite Angel. ;)
I'm one of only TWO people who voted for Gordon? Damn. Loved that batshit crazy hunter, and the fact that he believed he was acting for the greater good added some nice depth to the character. Plus, Sterling K. Brown was really good in the role.
This was a tough one for me. I think that Alistair was the hands down creepiest villain to ever appear on the show - Christopher Heyerdahl was creepy perfection. But when it comes down to it, Crowley is my absolute favorite villain. He makes me smile every time he steps on screen, even if he's at his evil best. And I think it's a real accomplishment when a show can make people legitimately care (and maybe even make people become emotionally invested) about one of its villains
Part of me wants to say God!Cas or Levia!Cas because both had such potential to be so creepy and to have such a personal connection to the Winchesters, and I am forever bitter that the show didn't take that potential and run with it.
Gordon was an incredibly interesting character and I wish we'd seen more of him. But he was more of a minor antagonist than an honest-to-goodness villain.
Alastair was definitely the creepiest, so I'm voting for him.
No...You can't say that they never had a good villain on that show because there were numerous great villains. Arguably the way you phrase it, every single villain was a damn good villain. I liked Dick Roman and all, but I wouldn't call him a damn good villain. Crowley? Lilith? Ruby? Zachariah? Damn good villains. :D
Crowley and Lucifer were two very well-rounded and enjoyable antagonists but just for sheer villainy I'd say Gordon Walker. I wanted to kill that guy myself.
You evil people making me choose! <,< I Love Crowley, Luci, Azazel, the first Ruby, Alastair, Dick is cool too, Gordon was AWESOME and like, there's one missing there who is my top favorite: Billy Drago as Doc Benton. The scariest villain the show has come up with in my honest opinion. But, he was a "moster of the week" I guess, so that must be why is not there. I voted Lucifer because he's one of the options and I love Mark Pellegrino :)
And the reason they are my top twos is because they were/are consistently excellent bad guys, who I don't "like" like, but I can respect as worthy adversaries.
That's how I want my bad guys.
- Lucifer, I get the popularity, but for me was just OK in S5. I will admit I did find him way more intimidating during Sam's hallucination phase.... so because he was more villainy while he wasn't the actual main villain I couldn't give him the credit.
- I thought that the Child!Liliths were way more scary and ominous. Woman!Lilith, not so much....
- Original!Meg and Sam!Meg was of the charts brilliant, but even though I do like Rachel's take on the character it has watered down my perception of her quite a bit.
- Ruby was just all over the freakin' place.... and it got to a point where as a character I just couldn't be bothered.
And then there are the exceptions...
- Gordon, even though he was a good villain, I felt more sorry of. The pity and tragic-ness always win out when it comes to Gordon for me.
- Raphael was too much of a self-righteous dick, so no! - Zachariah was waaaaay too sleazy, so double NO!
- Alistair and Alpha!Vamp (who is not on the list) were great villains yes, but for some reason, because in the end they haven't/didn't shape up as major players, I'm just kinda glad they are there but I'm not that much enthralled by them.
- Eve (also not on the list) is in the same category of not turning out as big as she could have been, but, unlike the gentlemen above she I felt was a complete and total let down... though I will say I think that has quite a bit to do with how anticlimactic the "Mother of All Monsters" storyline was.
- Dick is a weird one for me... was he good? I think so... but I felt the Leviathan storyline was just so unsatisfying in it's whole (just like the mother of all monsters) that drags down what should be considered a good main villain.
I had to go with Azazel, before the meatsuit though. So I guess I'd go with the Yellow-Eyed Demon. Because there has never been as much fear and tension over a villain as the early unseen Mary killer. More than Lucifer et al. But Crowley is my favorite, and Mark Pellegrino amazing as Lucifer. And Zachariah has to take the cake for most fun to hate [that actor was amazing too]. And Alistair and Gordon were such extraordinary meaty characters. Great poll, because it made me realize how great the villains & their actors are in this series.
I couldn't agree more, Dahne. I love Crowley, I think I love him too much to consider him a villain, to be honest. Lucifer for me wasn't scary, he fit perfectly to that Gabriel's description of him.
Azazel, though, was amazing, especially the Fredric's version. My favorite Villain ever.
I went with Lucifer, as I enjoyed Mark Pellegrino and I always enjoy an end of the world type situation for the end of an arc. Azazel would be 2nd as he was pretty sinister in the first 2 seasons. Crowley is an option but while I enjoy him, he has definitely overstayed his welcome.
For me, the second Alistair (Christopher Heyerdahl) was wickedly creepy. His interplay with Dean was scary. On the Head of a Pin was perfection between the two. The fear Dean had and nightmares about him made him a fantastic villain.
Although Luci would be hard to not vote for, I have to go with the original 2 season baddie of Azazel, and so loved the sequence when he got his come uppance
That was the scene that let me know that it was no holds barred for Supernatural Who kills off the main mytharc villain in season 2. I loved Kripke for that.
While Azazel gets my vote for best villain, I completely agree that Alastair was the scariest, even more than Death who gives me the wilies just by stepping on screen. Alastair was sadistically crazy and smart enough to know what would hurt most psychologically No wonder he was Hell's lead torturer.
Love that line and I probably use the latter part of it on a daily basis. Usually when I am driving on the supposed highway by my house. It's either that or idjits.
I was actually sorry to see Gordon get turned to a vampire and then die. He had such a rigid viewpoint but it was always grounded in logic so I thought it made a compelling story even if I eventually grew to dislike him more than I pitied him.
I too am surprised at how invested I am in Crowley. Part of it is that I adore Mark Sheppard as an actor, but the other part is that whenever the show was at its most depressing, as long as Crowley was in it, I could look forward to delicious snark. He brought the humor with the self-serving evil and I desperately needed to laugh. I wish the show would get him back to his snarky best because he seems a shade paler in the snark these days. I know they are ramping up his evil side but the snark enhances that for me instead of distracts from it,.
If I could have voted for three, he would definitely have gotten my vote. The best human nemesis the brothers have ever had. The Benders would be on that list too by the way.
You and me both. I remember watching X-Files and thinking he did a great job. Then I would occasionally see him in other things and I still remembered his X-Files role. Now of course, he is in everything which just begs the question, "Why has no one given this man his own show?" So sad I won't get to see him as Sterling anymore, but I have hopes that White Collar will bring him back. Such a pity to have him as a one-off character when he brings so much to every role he plays.
Why? I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I'm just wondering why a character we only saw once struck your interest so much. Especially since he wasn't in it that much and Lucifer was the bad guy in the episode more than anyone with Kali being the second biggest. You have me intrigued.
I think the show is trying to remind us that Crowley is villainous this year but I'm still going to love having him on screen. I got very excited when Mark Sheppard tweeted about being on set soon. He makes every episode better.
Agreed. Some of the best villains have been on Supernatural. Whether I love to hate them, love their personality, am intrigued by them, or just plain want them dead and off my screen, the villains almost always get a reaction out of me and they are rarely boring. Not something I can say about most shows.
I loved to how he went from menacing to playful in an eye blink and that playfulness always made him seem even more menacing to me. Like you said, terrific acting. Plus when he possessed John might be the best scene in the whole show to me.
Agreed. Azazal didn't have to threaten, his very presence and his "playfullness" as you say, were enough. X
That was one scary scene.Definitely amongst the best on the show. It was so powerful because it was personal, fraught with underlying emotions and festering half-truths. Wonderful stuff!
Gordon was a compelling character. His logic about most things was sound but his mental state was not. The guy was a psycho and a true believer and those types are always the most dangerous. I really hated the guy but that's a good thing when it comes to villains. There's nothing worse than a villain who elicits only apathy from the audience.
Reading this I was trying to think of any character on SPN that I just wanted to be gone and other than the Ghostfacers I can't think of any. Was watching Hell House last night and the only thing I love about that ep is seeing Sam smile and laugh so much..Jared has a beautiful smile and can "light up a room" with it. If it was not for that, it would go into my NEVER WATCH AGAIN file. lol
On TVD there are several characters that I have not liked from the start.
I want to say Crowley but at (rare) times I've found the writing for the character weak. I went with Azazel (though it's been a while since I've seen the first few seasons so I might be seeing this poll through rose tinted glasses).
Aww, he was so young in X-Files the lil cutie! :D My favourite character of his has to be Badger from Firefly thou; he plays the cheeky, slightly crooked British chap so well, and I loved him in scenes with Nathan Fillion <3 He, and Moff, have hinted that he may come back to Doctor Who at some point in the future, but if he did it would break the canon they set up so unless he plays a different character I don't think it would work, which is a shame, lol
I can't choose between Ruby (a bitch that succeed to manipulate Sam and broke the brothers, and the one that I know that she was a villain at the end of her episode), Zac (an annoying yet bastard Angel, even more bastard than Lucy), or lucy (the only an true evil that creeped me out)
I found myself in a quandary over Gordon a lot. Many times while I agreed with what he was saying, I would be yelling, "But it's Sam" to the TV. However even more interesting to me was the fact that he was human (until the end) and I loved seeing the creative solutions the brothers had of stopping him. Sam getting him arrested was brilliant. Before I knew he was going to be a vampire in Hunted, I was very excited about the moral conundrum the brothers were going to be in. I knew they had to stop Gordon, but getting him arrested again seemed redundant. I also couldn't see the brothers killing him whether he deserved it or not. I figured another hunter would eventually take him out. I wasn't really happy when they turned him into a vampire because it lessened the moral implications and gravitas. Plus Gordon the vamp killed one of my favorite guest characters, Jesus Hunter.
I'm not really a fan of Firefly but I loved his part in it. My favorite is of course Crowley and then Sterling. I think Mark Sheppard has appeared in every show I watch which is always fun when I rewatch them.
I wanted Ruby gone from the moment she tree ninja-ed her way on screen. It's funny because I liked Bela and the rest of the fandom hated her and liked Ruby. There are other characters I wanted gone right from the start - Missouri, Garth, Becky, and Chuck for a few - but Ruby was teh big one.
It was tense in every possible way and really emphasized the Winchester family dynamics. They need a personal connection to the villain again really badly.
The guy who played Kubrick (Jesus Hunter), Michael Massee, is a character actor who has always excelled at playing creepsters. I liked him on SPN as well. I didn't mind Walker being turned into a vamp though because it resulted in what I believe is the greatest villain death that SPN has ever had.
I'll give you the death. It was one of the most brutal deaths on the show.
I like Michael Massee too. He tends to show up on a lot of things like Mark Sheppard and Mark Pellegrino and he always does a great job. I think I first remember him from The X-Files or maybe Cold Case. Both shows had a lot of frequent guest stars on them.
I liked the first Ruby better, but Gen Ruby was OK, she was good in her character and I enjoyed her devious looks when Sam was not looking. Very happy when they both killed her. I REALLY liked Missouri and would like to see her again, Becky was not a favorite but did not dislike her that much and I always liked Chuck. Garth is growing on me...like mold, maybe. lol
I didn't have a problem with either actress at all. It was the character I hated. Everyone here knows exactly how much I loathe Missouri so I won't go into that again. All I can say is the best thing to happen to the show was when Loretta Divine could not come back again so we got the Bobby character instead. May he rest in peace and may she already be dead, salted and burned, and never to be heard from again.
Oh and the Garth / mold comment.....bwaaaahhhhh!!!! Yeah that could be an apt description although he growing less on me than ever. Minus the freaking sock puppet, he was tolerable in Party On, Garth. Everything else is a study in irritation to me.
Oh I was talking about the characters also. You mean Bobby came about because they could not get Loretta?? Did not know that and yep, I liked Bobby way better. The sock puppet was a no go for me. I am not high on grown men acting like boys and Garth is right on the border line with that. Guess that is why I can not get into the Ghostfacers or the series Psych.
Yep, originally they were going to go to Missouri for help in locating John but when her schedule did not allow it they created Bobby Singer, hunter extraordinaire and family friend. That was one lucky break for the show because I cannot imagine SPN without Bobby. Who else was with them from season 1? Well I guess Meg but that wasn't usually a good thing for the Winchesters, although it was a good thing for me.
I agree completely. it has to get personal again. The villan doesn't have to be a anything special but he does have to have that personal connection to the boys.
I have no sympathy for the Castiel character. I feel he has run his course and has no more to give to the story but I have to say I thought the role he had in season six as the bad guy was spot on.
There was the personal connection to the boys and he was someone that Sam, and especially Dean had faith in and the fact that he joined forces with Crowley made for good drama.
Even Samue,l for all that his story-arc wasn't perfect, made us dislike him because he was the brothers' grandfather but he still hurt them. X
I know you don't like Adam. I was aghast myself when they brought him into the story but I think he would make a good surprise villan. I could just imagine the look on Sam and Dean's face to see Adam standing at Crowley's side as his hit-man or something.
Even this Henry guy could be interesting if he turned out to be ambiguous, maybe with some sort of supernatural secret.
I know that even these ideas are a little repetitve, but as JC seems to be rehashing everything else, he could at leart make it personal.
SPN without Bobby is like without Baby. A piece of the good part of the show left with Bobby. The funny part is I did not cry because Bobby was dying, but for the reactions from the boys when he was. It was heartbreaking for them and they showed it in their eyes. Excellent acting from J2...as usual. ;)
Agree, I loved creepy gramps..loved to hate rather. The Levi's just never did it for me, personal is better. Even Jo when she was being forced to kill Dean was perfect. I want to feel something toward the bad guy. Never cared for Adam, but I know why they needed another Winchester bloodline. It would be neat to see Adam working with Crowley.
Yes. I think the viewer has to feel 'hate' for the bad guy and that is only possible if he is connected to the brothers in some way and emotionally hurts them too.
A bad guy that comes out of nowhere like Roman just doesn't pack the same punch.
As for the Henry guy, I hear there is a lot of speculation and rumour going around about what he is going to reveal to the brothers. I hope it's not something horrible like they are not true brothers or something equally catastrophic!
Agreed all around except I don't want Adam around ever again and I'm hoping like crazy that introducing Henry isn't another retcon. I would rather he not have secrets and be just a one-off character. I doubt that happens but I simply do not trust these writers with the first 7 years of mythology anymore.
The Jo and Dean scene at the end was the only thing that kept it out of my top 20 least favorite episodes list. I wasn't keen on resurrecting Jo for this episode but it did make things personal like you said.
Yes, it would.:( I don't know if I have my facts right here but I believe both John and Mary were from Lawrence so theoretically Henry would have been living there too. We don't know if he had any interraction with John after he was married to Mary but he was alive when Dean went back in time, for a guy in the bar tells young John to say hello to his old man for him.
Massively late reply here, sorry :P He was in 4 episodes, not one; Gabriel did only reveal himself to be Loki in Hammer of the Gods but he was all along and was a pretty significant character appearing sporadically from season 2 to 5. I suppose he's more of an antagonist than a villain but every episode he's been in has been a favourite of mine, Changing Channels and Mystery Spot are in my top three and Hammer of the Gods is top 10 with Tall Tales being extremely enjoyable too. I just love his methods, and the fact that he really started the whole meta-episode trend. For reliability on episode quality as well as heck of a lot of fun, charm and wit he's definitely my favourite.
I agree that Gabriel was one of the best secondary characters/antagonists/villains the show has ever had. I was thinking Baldur instead of Loki because I always think of him as Gabriel in that episode. Sorry. Thanks for the response.
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I had to choose Zachariah, even though he wasn't a Big Villain, but because he was such a unique one... an *angel*, and so very (by his own admission) petty... manipulative, scheming... his smirk, all the mind-tricks he pulled, what he did to the boys over and over again and just sort of reveling in the fact that he didn't have to worry about little things like human suffering, because he was so Very Righteous in his cause. It made him supremely creepy!
ReplyDeleteAzazel because he was the first and best. :)
ReplyDeleteThe Winchester family has been tangled up with him since Mary sold Sam to him.
Then he was really unique with his yellow eyes, and the actor who played him was terrific too.
i agree with you highly :) zachariah was awesome!
ReplyDeleteWell, there's one thing that you can never say about SPN: that they never had a damn good villain! Azazel, Lilith, Meg (at least originally), Zachariah...Ruby...and the most frightening man ever, Gordon Walker, Crowley--by far the one with the best disposition and possibly the smartest by way of self-preservation...Great chances for evilness, wit, and creep-factor all over!
ReplyDeleteHard to decide, but seeing how Azazel put more work into his plans that reached all the way to priming the Winchesters for the return of Lucifer (who had performer's anxiety or something because he failed to deliver on the level that Azazel had everything worked out for him) I must choose Azazel. Even if others definitely were awesome as well. (even Lucifer, I enjoyed Pelligrino as Luci, he just didn't have his sh*t together like ol' yellow eyes)
Went for Crowley, mainly because of the actor.
ReplyDeleteLucifer
ReplyDeleteCrowley.
ReplyDeleteGood-Lucifer, Meg season 1 and 2, Ruby, Lilith, Yellow Eyes, Gordon Walker, Alistair, Zachariah
ReplyDeleteMeh-Crowley
Crappy- Meg season 5, 6, 7 , Dick Roman, Raphael
Crowley is my favorite hands down. He basically saved some episodes for me. However the best villain is definitely Azazel because not only did he start it all but he was the most personal villain to me. Lucifer was personal also but he was too wishy washy and whiny to be scary.
ReplyDeleteLoki! Definitely. Can't believe he's not on here.
ReplyDeleteCrowley. Thou I'm biased and would probably vote for Mark Sheppard in any poll if I'm honest, love every character I've seen him play, lol.
ReplyDeleteI voted Azazel because he was downright terrifying at the time. But with the exceptions of Dick Roman, Raphael, and maybe Lillith, all of these made great villians. Lillith had potential and it was good casting, but she wasn't developed enough.
ReplyDeleteAlastair has been my favorite since I saw Christopher Heyerdahl play him..third time charm for this character. He was so evil and scary. Wish he had played him from the start and that he had been kept longer. Second place would be Zachariah.
ReplyDeleteI put him in my 2nd place for all your reasons, this is the kind of character I really get into. He was great.
ReplyDeleteCrowley, Lucifer, Azazel, all 3 are great picks, but for me Alastair wins on creepiness alone. He should have been on the show longer. He was the scariest to me.
ReplyDeletedo you mean they never *didn't* have a damn good villain
ReplyDeleteBack then when I still cared about this show, it was a tough choice between Azazel and Lilith.
ReplyDeleteAzazel just had so much gravitas and was an awesome character(till the show dumbed him down) and Lilith was a VERY creepy little child commanding armies of hell(till they, yet again, dumbed her down). No one topped those two in that show(which is not surprising since past-S3, every "villain" has been a boring b-rate cliche snoozefest)
After a lot of of thought I just have to vote Azazel - I might hate S4-to-whatever-season-this-dragged-on-to more than anything in my life now, but Azazel will still remain one of the best villains in last decade or so
You missed the best villain, Alastair, and at least for me the best seasons 4 & 5. I loved the Angels and Demons arc and Castiel will forever be my favorite Angel. ;)
ReplyDeleteI'm one of only TWO people who voted for Gordon? Damn. Loved that batshit crazy hunter, and the fact that he believed he was acting for the greater good added some nice depth to the character. Plus, Sterling K. Brown was really good in the role.
ReplyDeleteThis was a tough one for me. I think that Alistair was the hands down creepiest villain to ever appear on the show - Christopher Heyerdahl was creepy perfection. But when it comes down to it, Crowley is my absolute favorite villain. He makes me smile every time he steps on screen, even if he's at his evil best. And I think it's a real accomplishment when a show can make people legitimately care (and maybe even make people become emotionally invested) about one of its villains
ReplyDeleteI thought Gordon was a great villan too, and it's true that the worst but most interesting villans are those who think they are doing the right thing.
ReplyDeleteHowever we only get one vote, if we had gotten two he would have been my second one. :)
Part of me wants to say God!Cas or Levia!Cas because both had such potential to be so creepy and to have such a personal connection to the Winchesters, and I am forever bitter that the show didn't take that potential and run with it.
ReplyDeleteGordon was an incredibly interesting character and I wish we'd seen more of him. But he was more of a minor antagonist than an honest-to-goodness villain.
Alastair was definitely the creepiest, so I'm voting for him.
Completely agree with you InvestedInYourFuture; couldn't have said it myself any better. My vote goes to Yellow Eyes as well.
ReplyDeleteNo...You can't say that they never had a good villain on that show because there were numerous great villains. Arguably the way you phrase it, every single villain was a damn good villain. I liked Dick Roman and all, but I wouldn't call him a damn good villain. Crowley? Lilith? Ruby? Zachariah? Damn good villains. :D
ReplyDeleteAzazel and Lucifer... I kinda see them as a combo because Azazel did everything he did not free Lucifer...
ReplyDeleteCrowley and Lucifer were two very well-rounded and enjoyable antagonists but just for sheer villainy I'd say Gordon Walker. I wanted to kill that guy myself.
ReplyDeletegood poll! My favourites are Azazel, Crowley, Lucifer and Gordon. I voted for Azazel!
ReplyDeleteI find Azazel, Lucifer and Crowley the most interesting ones, but I'm going with Azazel for his very elaborate and long-term plan.
ReplyDeleteYou evil people making me choose! <,< I Love Crowley, Luci, Azazel, the first Ruby, Alastair, Dick is cool too, Gordon was AWESOME and like, there's one missing there who is my top favorite: Billy Drago as Doc Benton. The scariest villain the show has come up with in my honest opinion. But, he was a "moster of the week" I guess, so that must be why is not there.
ReplyDeleteI voted Lucifer because he's one of the options and I love Mark Pellegrino :)
Had to go with the classic.... Azazel...
ReplyDeleteCrowley was a reeeeeeally close second.
And the reason they are my top twos is because they were/are consistently excellent bad guys, who I don't "like" like, but I can respect as worthy adversaries.
That's how I want my bad guys.
- Lucifer, I get the popularity, but for me was just OK in S5. I will admit I did find him way more intimidating during Sam's hallucination phase.... so because he was more villainy while he wasn't the actual main villain I couldn't give him the credit.
- I thought that the Child!Liliths were way more scary and ominous. Woman!Lilith, not so much....
- Original!Meg and Sam!Meg was of the charts brilliant, but even though I do like Rachel's take on the character it has watered down my perception of her quite a bit.
- Ruby was just all over the freakin' place.... and it got to a point where as a character I just couldn't be bothered.
And then there are the exceptions...
- Gordon, even though he was a good villain, I felt more sorry of. The pity and tragic-ness always win out when it comes to Gordon for me.
- Raphael was too much of a self-righteous dick, so no!
- Zachariah was waaaaay too sleazy, so double NO!
- Alistair and Alpha!Vamp (who is not on the list) were great villains yes, but for some reason, because in the end they haven't/didn't shape up as major players, I'm just kinda glad they are there but I'm not that much enthralled by them.
- Eve (also not on the list) is in the same category of not turning out as big as she could have been, but, unlike the gentlemen above she I felt was a complete and total let down... though I will say I think that has quite a bit to do with how anticlimactic the "Mother of All Monsters" storyline was.
- Dick is a weird one for me... was he good? I think so... but I felt the Leviathan storyline was just so unsatisfying in it's whole (just like the mother of all monsters) that drags down what should be considered a good main villain.
I also liked The Benders, like Dean said, Demons I get, people are just crazy. They were very scary.
ReplyDeleteI had to go with Azazel, before the meatsuit though. So I guess I'd go with the Yellow-Eyed Demon. Because there has never been as much fear and tension over a villain as the early unseen Mary killer. More than Lucifer et al.
ReplyDeleteBut Crowley is my favorite, and Mark Pellegrino amazing as Lucifer. And Zachariah has to take the cake for most fun to hate [that actor was amazing too]. And Alistair and Gordon were such extraordinary meaty characters.
Great poll, because it made me realize how great the villains & their actors are in this series.
I couldn't agree more, Dahne. I love Crowley, I think I love him too much to consider him a villain, to be honest. Lucifer for me wasn't scary, he fit perfectly to that Gabriel's description of him.
ReplyDeleteAzazel, though, was amazing, especially the Fredric's version. My favorite Villain ever.
I went with Lucifer, as I enjoyed Mark Pellegrino and I always enjoy an end of the world type situation for the end of an arc. Azazel would be 2nd as he was pretty sinister in the first 2 seasons. Crowley is an option but while I enjoy him, he has definitely overstayed his welcome.
ReplyDeleteLucifer (Pelligrino) , Alastair( Christopher Heyerdah)
ReplyDeleteFor me, the second Alistair (Christopher Heyerdahl) was wickedly creepy. His interplay with Dean was scary. On the Head of a Pin was perfection between the two. The fear Dean had and nightmares about him made him a fantastic villain.
ReplyDelete1) Azazel
ReplyDelete2) Alastair played by Christopher Heyerdhal
3) Lucifer
4) Crowley
5) Zachariah
Hands down! I hope Kripke puts him in Revolution!
ReplyDeleteHe was great. Too bad he had too die early because of the actor's availability.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Luci would be hard to not vote for, I have to go with the original 2 season baddie of Azazel, and so loved the sequence when he got his come uppance
ReplyDeleteThat was the scene that let me know that it was no holds barred for Supernatural Who kills off the main mytharc villain in season 2. I loved Kripke for that.
ReplyDeleteWhile Azazel gets my vote for best villain, I completely agree that Alastair was the scariest, even more than Death who gives me the wilies just by stepping on screen. Alastair was sadistically crazy and smart enough to know what would hurt most psychologically No wonder he was Hell's lead torturer.
ReplyDeleteIt's a toss up for me whether killing Zachariah or Ruby was the most welcome death on Supernatural. I cheered during both.
ReplyDeleteLove that line and I probably use the latter part of it on a daily basis. Usually when I am driving on the supposed highway by my house. It's either that or idjits.
ReplyDeleteI still have hope that AlphaVamp will be back with an actual role to play. He said he would and there's got to be a monster tablet too, right?
ReplyDeleteI was actually sorry to see Gordon get turned to a vampire and then die. He had such a rigid viewpoint but it was always grounded in logic so I thought it made a compelling story even if I eventually grew to dislike him more than I pitied him.
ReplyDeleteI too am surprised at how invested I am in Crowley. Part of it is that I adore Mark Sheppard as an actor, but the other part is that whenever the show was at its most depressing, as long as Crowley was in it, I could look forward to delicious snark. He brought the humor with the self-serving evil and I desperately needed to laugh. I wish the show would get him back to his snarky best because he seems a shade paler in the snark these days. I know they are ramping up his evil side but the snark enhances that for me instead of distracts from it,.
ReplyDeleteIf I could have voted for three, he would definitely have gotten my vote. The best human nemesis the brothers have ever had. The Benders would be on that list too by the way.
ReplyDeleteYou and me both. I remember watching X-Files and thinking he did a great job. Then I would occasionally see him in other things and I still remembered his X-Files role. Now of course, he is in everything which just begs the question, "Why has no one given this man his own show?" So sad I won't get to see him as Sterling anymore, but I have hopes that White Collar will bring him back. Such a pity to have him as a one-off character when he brings so much to every role he plays.
ReplyDeleteWhy? I'm not being sarcastic or anything. I'm just wondering why a character we only saw once struck your interest so much. Especially since he wasn't in it that much and Lucifer was the bad guy in the episode more than anyone with Kali being the second biggest. You have me intrigued.
ReplyDeleteI think the show is trying to remind us that Crowley is villainous this year but I'm still going to love having him on screen. I got very excited when Mark Sheppard tweeted about being on set soon. He makes every episode better.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Some of the best villains have been on Supernatural. Whether I love to hate them, love their personality, am intrigued by them, or just plain want them dead and off my screen, the villains almost always get a reaction out of me and they are rarely boring. Not something I can say about most shows.
ReplyDeleteLucifer's performance anxiety - BWAAHHHH!!! Love it. I'm stealing this one.
ReplyDeleteI loved to how he went from menacing to playful in an eye blink and that playfulness always made him seem even more menacing to me. Like you said, terrific acting. Plus when he possessed John might be the best scene in the whole show to me.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Azazal didn't have to threaten, his very presence and his "playfullness" as you say, were enough.
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That was one scary scene.Definitely amongst the best on the show. It was so powerful because it was personal, fraught with underlying emotions and festering half-truths.
Wonderful stuff!
Gordon was a compelling character. His logic about most things was sound but his mental state was not. The guy was a psycho and a true believer and those types are always the most dangerous. I really hated the guy but that's a good thing when it comes to villains. There's nothing worse than a villain who elicits only apathy from the audience.
ReplyDeleteFor some reason I have a feeling that they won't really ever use him as anything too substantial... that's just my gut though...
ReplyDeleteHe was very good in Hell on Wheels also.
ReplyDeleteI fav is Ruby she mid not be the best but still voted Ruby
ReplyDeleteReading this I was trying to think of any character on SPN that I just wanted to be gone and other than the Ghostfacers I can't think of any. Was watching Hell House last night and the only thing I love about that ep is seeing Sam smile and laugh so much..Jared has a beautiful smile and can "light up a room" with it. If it was not for that, it would go into my NEVER WATCH AGAIN file. lol
ReplyDeleteOn TVD there are several characters that I have not liked from the start.
I want to say Crowley but at (rare) times I've found the writing for the character weak. I went with Azazel (though it's been a while since I've seen the first few seasons so I might be seeing this poll through rose tinted glasses).
ReplyDeleteAww, he was so young in X-Files the lil cutie! :D My favourite character of his has to be Badger from Firefly thou; he plays the cheeky, slightly crooked British chap so well, and I loved him in scenes with Nathan Fillion <3 He, and Moff, have hinted that he may come back to Doctor Who at some point in the future, but if he did it would break the canon they set up so unless he plays a different character I don't think it would work, which is a shame, lol
ReplyDeleteI can't choose between Ruby (a bitch that succeed to manipulate Sam and broke the brothers, and the one that I know that she was a villain at the end of her episode), Zac (an annoying yet bastard Angel, even more bastard than Lucy), or lucy (the only an true evil that creeped me out)
ReplyDeleteI found myself in a quandary over Gordon a lot. Many times while I agreed with what he was saying, I would be yelling, "But it's Sam" to the TV. However even more interesting to me was the fact that he was human (until the end) and I loved seeing the creative solutions the brothers had of stopping him. Sam getting him arrested was brilliant. Before I knew he was going to be a vampire in Hunted, I was very excited about the moral conundrum the brothers were going to be in. I knew they had to stop Gordon, but getting him arrested again seemed redundant. I also couldn't see the brothers killing him whether he deserved it or not. I figured another hunter would eventually take him out. I wasn't really happy when they turned him into a vampire because it lessened the moral implications and gravitas. Plus Gordon the vamp killed one of my favorite guest characters, Jesus Hunter.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really a fan of Firefly but I loved his part in it. My favorite is of course Crowley and then Sterling. I think Mark Sheppard has appeared in every show I watch which is always fun when I rewatch them.
ReplyDeleteI wanted Ruby gone from the moment she tree ninja-ed her way on screen. It's funny because I liked Bela and the rest of the fandom hated her and liked Ruby. There are other characters I wanted gone right from the start - Missouri, Garth, Becky, and Chuck for a few - but Ruby was teh big one.
ReplyDeleteIt was tense in every possible way and really emphasized the Winchester family dynamics. They need a personal connection to the villain again really badly.
ReplyDeleteThe guy who played Kubrick (Jesus Hunter), Michael Massee, is a character actor who has always excelled at playing creepsters. I liked him on SPN as well. I didn't mind Walker being turned into a vamp though because it resulted in what I believe is the greatest villain death that SPN has ever had.
ReplyDeleteI'll give you the death. It was one of the most brutal deaths on the show.
ReplyDeleteI like Michael Massee too. He tends to show up on a lot of things like Mark Sheppard and Mark Pellegrino and he always does a great job. I think I first remember him from The X-Files or maybe Cold Case. Both shows had a lot of frequent guest stars on them.
I liked the first Ruby better, but Gen Ruby was OK, she was good in her character and I enjoyed her devious looks when Sam was not looking. Very happy when they both killed her. I REALLY liked Missouri and would like to see her again, Becky was not a favorite but did not dislike her that much and I always liked Chuck. Garth is growing on me...like mold, maybe. lol
ReplyDeleteI didn't have a problem with either actress at all. It was the character I hated. Everyone here knows exactly how much I loathe Missouri so I won't go into that again. All I can say is the best thing to happen to the show was when Loretta Divine could not come back again so we got the Bobby character instead. May he rest in peace and may she already be dead, salted and burned, and never to be heard from again.
ReplyDeleteOh and the Garth / mold comment.....bwaaaahhhhh!!!! Yeah that could be an apt description although he growing less on me than ever. Minus the freaking sock puppet, he was tolerable in Party On, Garth. Everything else is a study in irritation to me.
Oh I was talking about the characters also. You mean Bobby came about because they could not get Loretta?? Did not know that and yep, I liked Bobby way better. The sock puppet was a no go for me. I am not high on grown men acting like boys and Garth is right on the border line with that. Guess that is why I can not get into the Ghostfacers or the series Psych.
ReplyDeleteYep, originally they were going to go to Missouri for help in locating John but when her schedule did not allow it they created Bobby Singer, hunter extraordinaire and family friend. That was one lucky break for the show because I cannot imagine SPN without Bobby. Who else was with them from season 1? Well I guess Meg but that wasn't usually a good thing for the Winchesters, although it was a good thing for me.
ReplyDeleteI agree completely. it has to get personal again.
ReplyDeleteThe villan doesn't have to be a anything special but he does have to have that personal connection to the boys.
I have no sympathy for the Castiel character. I feel he has run his course and has no more to give to the story but I have to say I thought the role he had in season six as the bad guy was spot on.
There was the personal connection to the boys and he was someone that Sam, and especially Dean had faith in and the fact that he joined forces with Crowley made for good drama.
Even Samue,l for all that his story-arc wasn't perfect, made us dislike him because he was the brothers' grandfather but he still hurt them.
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I know you don't like Adam. I was aghast myself when they brought him into the story but I think he would make a good surprise villan. I could just imagine the look on Sam and Dean's face to see Adam standing at Crowley's side as his hit-man or something.
Even this Henry guy could be interesting if he turned out to be ambiguous, maybe with some sort of supernatural secret.
I know that even these ideas are a little repetitve, but as JC seems to be rehashing everything else, he could at leart make it personal.
SPN without Bobby is like without Baby. A piece of the good part of the show left with Bobby. The funny part is I did not cry because Bobby was dying, but for the reactions from the boys when he was. It was heartbreaking for them and they showed it in their eyes. Excellent acting from J2...as usual. ;)
ReplyDeleteAgree, I loved creepy gramps..loved to hate rather. The Levi's just never did it for me, personal is better. Even Jo when she was being forced to kill Dean was perfect. I want to feel something toward the bad guy. Never cared for Adam, but I know why they needed another Winchester bloodline. It would be neat to see Adam working with Crowley.
ReplyDeleteYes. I think the viewer has to feel 'hate' for the bad guy and that is only possible if he is connected to the brothers in some way and emotionally hurts them too.
ReplyDeleteA bad guy that comes out of nowhere like Roman just doesn't pack the same punch.
As for the Henry guy, I hear there is a lot of speculation and rumour going around about what he is going to reveal to the brothers.
I hope it's not something horrible like they are not true brothers or something equally catastrophic!
Yeah but I'm not going to watch that show only because of him.
ReplyDeleteAgreed all around except I don't want Adam around ever again and I'm hoping like crazy that introducing Henry isn't another retcon. I would rather he not have secrets and be just a one-off character. I doubt that happens but I simply do not trust these writers with the first 7 years of mythology anymore.
ReplyDeleteI was just making a statement, not asking you to watch the show.
ReplyDeleteThe Jo and Dean scene at the end was the only thing that kept it out of my top 20 least favorite episodes list. I wasn't keen on resurrecting Jo for this episode but it did make things personal like you said.
ReplyDeleteEgads! That would be the end.
ReplyDeleteI think she's referring Gabriel as in when he was the Trickster/Loki and thus techinicaly the bad guy in three episodes...
ReplyDeleteYou are totally right. I had a temporary brain freeze and was thinking Baldur not Loki. This makes a whole lot more sense. (facepalm)
ReplyDeleteYes, it would.:(
ReplyDeleteI don't know if I have my facts right here but I believe both John and Mary were from Lawrence so theoretically Henry would have been living there too. We don't know if he had any interraction with John after he was married to Mary but he was alive when Dean went back in time, for a guy in the bar tells young John to say hello to his old man for him.
I know.
ReplyDeleteI loved both Bela and Ruby...
ReplyDeleteMassively late reply here, sorry :P He was in 4 episodes, not one; Gabriel did only reveal himself to be Loki in Hammer of the Gods but he was all along and was a pretty significant character appearing sporadically from season 2 to 5. I suppose he's more of an antagonist than a villain but every episode he's been in has been a favourite of mine, Changing Channels and Mystery Spot are in my top three and Hammer of the Gods is top 10 with Tall Tales being extremely enjoyable too. I just love his methods, and the fact that he really started the whole meta-episode trend. For reliability on episode quality as well as heck of a lot of fun, charm and wit he's definitely my favourite.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Gabriel was one of the best secondary characters/antagonists/villains the show has ever had. I was thinking Baldur instead of Loki because I always think of him as Gabriel in that episode. Sorry. Thanks for the response.
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