Ok question Rebekah..If Silus (dont know how to spell his name properly) does exist as said by Professor Shane shouldnt she and/or klaus or the other originals have created him. Assuming he's "the world's worst immortal being" that saying most likely he's a vampire (most likely vampire or maybe the writers would add in a new supernatural figure), that means one of the originals must've turned him or the people they turned, turned him. Anyway Silus would be connected by blood to an original of the 4 thats left. So with her saying he doesnt exist (knowing these writers he does and he'll be next season's big bad) is kinda weird. Idk i just think klaus would know him or something he was never daggered in the years.
Anyways, Elena and stefan's relationship has nearly disintegrated except for that stefan's holding on to the remains. Even though it sounds real of elena's feelings I still think that she cant be that deep with the sire bond going on so if she loses the sire bond one day cure or no cure and still loves him then i guess it was all completely real but at the moment i dont buy it completely. And the end with Damon was kinda cold especially after he just heard from elena she loved him. Not cool. Bonnie needs help shane's screwing them all over with silus because the cure wont matter if he does exist and does come to torment everyone. And glad rebekah's back the show needs the originals now and if klaus's show gets picked up then we'll need rebekah and elijah and even kol to recurr.
vdiaries is in a slump. i LOVE the show and there have been some interesting scenes here and there (like the super cool kill scenes in last weeks episode) but overall i have not enjoyed these past few episodes, i'm hoping the show picks up again but so far i've been disappointed
I am getting tired of so many characters on the show, there are so many, can't really get any feelings for any of them. This used to be one of my favorite shows along with Supernatural, but this season it does not come close to being as good as SPN.
This was such a great episode. I do have to say though I will be so happy when they kill off April, I am really starting to hate her. And I guess my hopes for Elena and Stefan to get back together has been shattered into a million pieces. I really loved Rebekah in this episode. We found out a little more about this Silus(sp?) person. I still do not like the Professor guy and the fact that Bonnie is STILL beyond clueless is getting on my nerves. Jeremy is about to embrace his hunter destiny and is about to kill a bunch of vampires and I think that when this happens no one will be able to control him after. That should be interesting to see. Tyler needs to get rid of his guilt and go and attempt to kill Klaus. Elena and Damon together I am not a fan of but I guess I better get used to it since it is happening. The rest of the season I think will be so awesome.
Good ep. Gives me the impression, Becca is no better than her psycho brother. "Was that necessary?" "No, but it was fun" And she is wondering, why she doesn't have any friends? "Welcome to the last 900 years of my life" Well, no one forced her to stay with Klaus. Oh, no, Klaus did. And yet she stayed with him when she had the chance to leave. Is it me or is April a hypocrite? She was mad at Elena for compelling her (which by the way she did to erase horrible memories and giving her the opportunity to live a normal life, away from all this madness), but she's fine with Becca compelling the others to have her fun? Guess, that is why Becca sent her away. So April wouldn't see what she's doing to them. Yes, April, Becca is a 1000 years old original vampire. But she is not your friend. I absolutelysupport that Becca gives the cure to Klaus and watches him to suffer by realizing he's mortal again. And of course she has to compel him so he wouldn't become a vampire again. "She slept with Damon" The little and unimportant part Stefan forgot to mention is, that they already broke up before she slept with Damon. He made it sound like he broke up because she slept with his brother. Damn, Damon. You think Elena will be glad or impressed to hear that you cooperate with Klaus in that way? Letting him kill 10 or more people to turn them so Jer can kill them? I already suggested a trip to a bigger city. Plenty of vamps for Jer to kill. I can't believe Stefan wanted Becca to erase his memories. I get that he's hurt, but loosing all he had with her? Did it meant nothing to him? Besides, Elena had a point. He was treating her and looking at her like a broken doll that needs to be fixed. How could she be with someone acting like that. And now Stefan is working with Becca? The person he hated cause she killed Elena? I'm afraid he'll lose it again and turning into ripper Stefan. And I can't believe they lost the white oak stake.
Slump? True. But it's only because JP in incapable of letting Klaus and the originals go. Seriously,to me it seems sometimes, like she's making things up to keep them. We have to many filler eps. The entire original chapter should have been finished by S3.
I'm not getting tired, but sick. Of Klaus and his horrible family. The show was so much better before them. They did their part, now it's time to finally let them go, so the show can again be as good as it was.
Where from? Well, it's just common. It's a theme you see in many shows and movies. After almost a century of movies and shows it's hard for producers and writers to come up with something new. Face it. Everything we saw for the past 20 years, we saw in another movie or show before.
Yes, April turns out to be a hypocrite. Accuse Elena for erasing her memories of things she wouldn't want to remember, but not minding Becca to compel them to have her fun? I don't know if Elena and Stefan will be back together. For now it doesn't seem like it. But remember how many times Elena said she hates Damon and want's nothing to do with him. And now? And besides, I already said last year, that she will make up her mind and stick to it at the end of the last season. Till then, she will be drawn between both brothers. Like in the books. I guess, next season she will be with Stefan again. Before she goes back to Damon. Just my guess. After all, Elena between the boys is part of the storyline. No matter what monsters JP throws at them. Yes, I don't like Shane either. Damon was right from the beginning. Something is not right with that guy. And Bonnie? Please. She's just too stupid to realize that Shane is not what he pretends to be. She should listen to Damon. Klaus is playing with fire. Jeremy already lost control and almost killed his sister. If Klaus is pushing him, he can lose it again. And of course, he will blame everyone else.
Well, remember JPs interview from last year. The spell Esther used, already existed. And the witch that helped her (one of Bonnies ancestors) warned her of the consequences. Like she knew? Esthers disgusting brads weren't the first vampires. Silas came before (probably thousands of years before Klaus and his siblings). Maybe others too. No, I think Silas is a vampire. He could have some special powers, given him by the witch, but he is an original. How did the legend go? Silas asked a witch to make him immortal. She did, but then he betrayed her and wanted to share his immortality with another woman. So the witch killed the woman and locked Silas away. Wasn't it something like that? Stefan holding on to the remains? He wanted Becca to erase his memories of Elena. And of course Elenas love for Damon is real. The attraction was there since S1. And during S3 they came closer since Stefan wasn't exactly there (and if he was, he wasn't exactly boyfriend material). She fell in love with Damon, but her feelings have nothing to do with the sire bond. Her feelings (real, true feelings) were the reason she became sired to him in the first place. And Ty said it: The sire bond is changing how you act, not how you feel. If that cure exists, and if they make Elena human again, she will still love Damon.
According to Shane witches ARE the architects of the supernatural world and responsible for everything. Including werewolves, vampires, hunters, and what else JP is coming up with.
I think he is. He could have special powers, given to him by the witch (like he is linked to someone or something and can't be killed, like Esther did with Alaric when she linked him to Elena, or she created him the way no weapon can kill him, so only the cure could heal him and make him mortal), or maybe he was something else before he turned (like Klaus). But I think, he is a vampire. An original, probably the very first. Remember, that the spell Esther used already existed. And according to the legend (if I remember correctly) Silas asked a witch to make him immortal. He wanted to share this immortality with another woman. There aren't many immortal beings out there. Well, he could be a demon (the upper levels are sometimes immortal and hard to kill. But for now we haven't touched the theme of demons on TVD. JP even dropped a succubus as Matts mom.). But demons can't make others immortal, can they? So, an immortal that can make other humans immortal? For now my money is on vampire.
April isn't. All she knows is Elena lied to her and compelled her and all Rebekah wanted was to sit at the table and ask them some questions and for them to actually tell the truth.
It may sound like that but I think what Stefan means here is that Elena's relationship with Stefan meant nothing to her. She just switched brothers.
Actually, yes, Damon, when Stefan made Jeremy kill, Elena was mad at him, but I guess she would be more understanding with Damon because of the sire and love thing. You confuse me, when Jeremy kills vampires it's okay but if it's Klaus, he is a psycho maniac who needs to be put down? Jeremy actually wants to kill vampires. It is exactly the opposite, it meant so much to him that it's hard for him to know it's meant so little to Elena in the end. Might be, but she told him many times being a vampire is not what she wants.
I Think is one of the best of this season so far... i think Kevin is bringing new stories and this second half of the season will be much more stunning and breathless than the first (boring) part! This episode i saw the old The Vampire Diaries, i guess it's coming back!
I Think this second half of the season will be much better...i guess this first part was made just to create the bases of these upcoming episodes! this one was amazing and i see the old TVD!
Elena,Damon,Stefan,Matt,Jeremy,Bonnie,Caroline,Tyler,Klaus,Shane,April and Rebekkah...they are 12...like 12 werewolves...i think it's a recurring number...just a coincidence?
I would rather consider the spinoff as the best (or only) solution, than a good idea.
It would be a good idea, if the characters were popular and interesting and there would be too much story to tell. Well, interesting they are. And there is 1000 years of their past to tell. But recently I got the feeling many fans are bored and annoyed by them. The fans are more than ready to let them go (for good), but JP is incapable of letting Klaus and his siblings go. As long as they stick around, the story has to be adjusted, so they fit in. By now, the story development has come nearly to a stop. So, the spinoff is the only way to get rid of them for long enough, so the story on TVD can finally move on to the next chapter.
Since the only original I like is Elijah, I won't be watching the spin-off and I hope it comes soon. This ep had writing a 12 year old would put out..the scenes with the group compelled was just so....I don't even know a word to fit. lol
Don't get me wrong, S3 and S4 (so far) had great storylines. The hybrids and the original family, the Five, Elenas new life. I just get the feeling, that we have too many filler eps, that the story should develop faster. We should have completely closed the Original chapter by S3.
She was not okay with Elena erasing things she didn't even want to remember (being almost killed by a fanatic. Twice), but she was okay with Becca manipulating others to get her way? I call that hypocrite. But I must admit, Becca said that she just wants to talk, that she wants the truth. Guess April believed it. And she did sent April away, before she started torturing them.
It sounds exactly like that. Becca asked Stefan what happened, and he said, she slept with Damon. It sounds like she is asking for the reason, and he is blaming Elena sleeping with Damon. I know it's not like that, but it sounds like he broke up cause she slept with Damon.
And of course their relationship meant something to Elena. I know you're not a big fan of hers, but you can't accuse her of never caring for Stefan, or their relationship. She loved him. And she was in love with him. She accepted him being a vampire, she didn't abandon him after he lost control in S1, she also didn't pushed him away when she learned about his ripper past, also she took him back time and again. I think, in S3 she was the one (the only one) putting some effort and energy into their relationship. She was looking for him, risked her life to find him, and after he pushed her away, she still wanted to be with him. If she would have simply wanted to switch the brothers (as you put it), she could have been with Damon since Klaus forced Stefan to turn off his humanity (and kill the girl he loved). But she didn't. She didn't gave up on Stefan.
Sired or not, in love or not, Elena won't be impressed. But I guess that her focus will be on Klaus part in it (at least someone with more than 2 brain cells). He killed all those people, not Damon (Oh, I forgot. You don't see it as killing, but as evolution. Does that goes too for Klaus turning them just to kill them?). And he would have done it anyway. I really wish, I could say that I hoped Damon would do something against it. But we all know that there is no point in fighting Klaus. You can just cooperate and keep the damage that psycho causes low. Try to go against Klaus and more people die.
I never said that it's okay for anyone to kill. Not even for hunter Jeremy. I just said, that if he has to kill vamps (and we're again at the point, where our beloved Klaus leaves us no choice), he should go to a bigger city, where the vamps are. Not killing and turning innocent people just to kill them.
And yes, Klaus is a psycho maniac. He kills for fun or pleasure. He tortures as normally as you breathe. There are other ways to get others to cooperate then killing their friends and there are other ways to deliver messages than slaughter an entire family.
Of course she never wanted to be a vampire (who would?). She's still not happy about it, but she adjusted (as I said she would since the last scene of S3). With Elena having a point I meant, that he (as she put it and I already said it too) was treating her like a broken toy that needs to be fixed. He should be helping her to adjust to her new life, showing her, that it can have his good sides too (at the girls night she was having fun with her vamp powers. That's what he should have shown her). Instead he tried to pretend like nothing happened. And when he was lying and working with Klaus behind her back she felt that something is going on and he isn't telling. Not helping.
I absolutely agree and understand. But … If fans are getting tired of some character, or this character doesn't have any purpose anymore, don't they usually just kill off that character? They kill him, not give him an own show. Guess normal rules (or logic) doesn't count if you're JPs favorite. It's the only reason I support that spinoff. It's the only way to get finally finally rid of him.
I'll have to see the pilot first before I can make a decicion (but knowing myself I'll probably watch it). But they definitly worked themselves into a corner with the fact that if Klaus dies, everyone dies. Now he just remains the constant threat, so I agree that with the spin off they'll be able to move forward again on TVD
I always say that I probably wouldn't watch it, that I'm not interested. But I say that know. And I might hold on to that decision. But when the show would start, I probably couldn't resist. Curiosity killed the cat. So, no matter how often I declare that I won't watch it, I will probably watch at least the first 3 or 4 eps, before making my final decision.
It's not that they worked themselves into the corner by making it impossible to kill Klaus. They could find ways to let him go. They could find a spell to break the bond between an original and the vampires in his line, so the others wouldn't die if the original dies. That way they could kill him. Or, they could put him in a coffin or locking him in a tomb. Or, he could just leave town, as he intended to do several times. The problem is, that JP in unable to let him go.
Bullshit? Why? As much as I hate it, I can only repeat myself. If you watched S1 you should have realize that they were attracted to each other from the beginning. And they became friends. True, sometimes he did something stupid and she hated him. But he changed. She learned that she can trust him, after all he risked his life for her. And when Stefan wasn't there in S3 they came closer. Remember the make out in the motel?
She loves him. And she is in love with him.
According to the witch, she is sired to him, because she truly loved him before she turned. And not the other way around. Prove? If the sire bond has something to do with feelings, all hybrids would love Klaus.
I didn't see what you saw: in the 2 first seasons, she was completely in love with Stefan and had only eyes for him. Damon was just the annoying brother of her boyfriend. In season 3, she was frustrated to be separated from him and was toying with Damon: making out with him in 3.19 didn't prevent her to let die him alone in the season finale. In season 4, she told Stefan, he was the best choice she ever made and wanted to be with him forever.
And then suddenly starting from episode 6, she made a 180° turn in one episode and began to worship Damon and talk about him like the member of a sect talk about his leader. The change is too quick and too much massive to not be suspicious: there's no way she would have give up on Stefan. After what the 2 brothers did for her: they save her life both and she trusted them both, she had largely the time to compare them, and she has always chosen Stefan.
Don't care about what the witches said, they created vampirism not the sire bond and they probably didn't know why it appears in the first place. The witch wasn't a special one like the Bennett, just a ramdom one who was just telling the brothers what she thought to be true, and it's not necessarily the truth.
Damon is a big asshole: he lives by himself, to satisfy himself at the expense of other people: the sire bond doesn't affect only feelings, Elena has lost her free will and acts essentially to please him and yet he never mentioned it. With friends like that, nobody needs enemy
Yes, she was in love with Stefan. But do me a favor and watch S1 ep 19, where Elena and Damon dance. You could not only see, but touch the attraction between them. It was already there. There are several more situations, where you could see it, but in S1 it was rarely so obvious. It was always there.
She maybe was frustrated, but that doesn't mean, they didn't get closer in the months, where they were alone.
And yes, she let him die alone to be with Stefan, and seriously, I don't understand why. She had to make a choice but I don't know why she choose Stefan. Although their relationship wasn't damaged by her becoming a vampire (He had problems with her being a vampire. He just couldn't accept, that she had changed, that she is not his Elena anymore. He just wanted to pretend, nothing happened. And as Elena said it, he treated her like a damaged toy that needed to be fixed. And she also said, that she couldn't be with a person that treated her like that).
She didn't just begun to worship Damon. The sire bond may be responsible that she agreed on what he said, or did what he told her to do (she's sired and can't fight it. Even Tyler couldn't ignore Klaus order to bite Caroline). But it didn't changed anything about her feelings.
Maybe it was too quick for Elena to move on to Damon, after she just broke up with Stefan. But on the other side: why wait. She loved him, he loved her, … To wait would be a waste of time. But I wouldn't say that the change was too quick. Not after the make out in S3. I still believe that, without Jeremy, they could have gone even further then just kissing.
"After what the 2 brothers did for her" You said it: both brothers. So, why would it be okay to love Stefan and not Damon?
Okay. If you doubt the wisdom of an old witch, tell me you theory. Why is Elena sired to Damon? We know that the hybrids were sired, cause they were grateful to Klaus cause they didn't need to change every full moon (if you ask me, I'd rather turn once a month, even if it's a nightmare, then being his slave every fucking day for the rest of my eternal life). Elena never wanted to be a vampire, so I guess she's not grateful. So, why is she sired to him? And how do you know that she was just a clueless random witch? She could be related to Bonnie. We haven't been consulting any family trees. Didn't Bonnie had a cousin or something like that back in S2? You don't know how far back the witches family goes or how strong the magic in her family was. Or how much wisdom she possesses. You're making conclusions with no ground.
True, if Damon orders Elena to do something, she can't disobey. But the sire bond doesn't change how you feel, just how you act. Tyler said that. Do you doubt his words too (don't forget he's been thru it). None of the hybrids loved Klaus. They hated him. If the bond would change their feelings, they would love him. No one would break the sire bond. Cause if they would love him, they wouldn't mind being sired to him. Like Elena doesn't care. Cause she loves Damon.
Rebekah don't has to compell klaus to don't turn into a vampire again.. if klaus is healed from being a vampire he is still a werwolf.. and since he is the only one who can make hybrids no one can turn him into a vampire again
Of course I thought about that too. It's been a while, so pleas remind me. Is Klaus really the only hybrid who can create hybrids (was it explained as a rule) or do we just assume that, cause none of the other hybrids ever tried it?
But even if one of the other hybrids could create new hybrids, he would need human-Elenas blood. If she stays a vampire, there can't be any more hybrids created.
But I would still compel him. Precaution. We know JP likes to chance rules as she pleases. So she would probably find a way for Klaus to become hybrid (or at least vampire, if she decided to make him normal human) again. And leave him as werewolf, would be fine too. Not only would he be mortal again, he would also have to go thru a painful transformation every full moon.
In the season premiere, Pastor Young and his men rounded up all the vervain in Mystic Falls including the stash the Salvatores had. The only vervain left in town was in Alaric's old apartment and they used it up in episode 4.05 "The Killer." Now there's none left.
Solid episode all around. - Good use of the entire cast in this episode except for Caroline. The writers gave her nothing to do. She could have at least had a discussion with Elena about betraying Elena's trust and telling Stefan about her sleeping with Damon. - Until this episode I was a supporter of April. Now she's just an innocent with a grudge who's in way over her head, making false assumptions (thanks to Rebekah) and bad decisions. - I may not like her behavior but Rebekah was great and Claire Holt did a damn good job this week. - Kol was genuinely freaking out about Silas. It's a nice change from him acting like a petulant sociopath, which he normally does. - I liked what Liz had to say about Carol in her eulogy. I loved that Damon shot Klaus for what he did to Carol. Those two always got along pretty well. - Bonnie is finally getting to the awful truth of what Shane has been teaching her but I'm not sure if it's making a difference. - Stefan went so far as to say that he hates his brother. If that hatred is solely because of Damon and Elena, then it is undeserved. - I don't like how Damon switched gears and turned all those people so Jeremy could kill them. He damn well better protect him and not just leave him to face all those vamps on his own. - It probably goes without saying but Delena shippers probably loved this episode. - I feel sorry for Tyler. His life is one big pile of crap right now.
All in all, this was a really solid return episode that gave us a lot of plot progression. If the rest of the season is at this level or better, I'll be satisfied with season 4.
Rebekah works infinitely times better as a villain to hang around than Klauss does, because not only is she more fun to watch, but comes from a much more human place and we can actually understand her pain and feelings a lot more, so it is not like the moral ground of the show is affected with her around. with klaus around, absolutely, i disagree with stefan and caroline on that, he really is worse than them. rebekah is different so it all works. all in all, a good episode, i finally caught up with the season, which i still say is by far the weakest season of tvd. it pains me to see the show going downhill like this, i sort of hope that the spin-off happens so that tvd can go back to basics a bit (the love triangle will still be a problem though). Someone i love this season is tyler, he became one of my favorite characters, hope to see a lot more of him.
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awesome episode... :O
ReplyDeleteOk question Rebekah..If Silus (dont know how to spell his name properly) does exist as said by Professor Shane shouldnt she and/or klaus or the other originals have created him. Assuming he's "the world's worst immortal being" that saying most likely he's a vampire (most likely vampire or maybe the writers would add in a new supernatural figure), that means one of the originals must've turned him or the people they turned, turned him. Anyway Silus would be connected by blood to an original of the 4 thats left. So with her saying he doesnt exist (knowing these writers he does and he'll be next season's big bad) is kinda weird. Idk i just think klaus would know him or something he was never daggered in the years.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, Elena and stefan's relationship has nearly disintegrated except for that stefan's holding on to the remains. Even though it sounds real of elena's feelings I still think that she cant be that deep with the sire bond going on so if she loses the sire bond one day cure or no cure and still loves him then i guess it was all completely real but at the moment i dont buy it completely. And the end with Damon was kinda cold especially after he just heard from elena she loved him. Not cool. Bonnie needs help shane's screwing them all over with silus because the cure wont matter if he does exist and does come to torment everyone. And glad rebekah's back the show needs the originals now and if klaus's show gets picked up then we'll need rebekah and elijah and even kol to recurr.
vdiaries is in a slump. i LOVE the show and there have been some interesting scenes here and there (like the super cool kill scenes in last weeks episode) but overall i have not enjoyed these past few episodes, i'm hoping the show picks up again but so far i've been disappointed
ReplyDeletesame here and the whole silus will kill us all sounds way too familiar
ReplyDeleteWhy does Klaus have so much lipstick on, looks weird?
ReplyDeleteI am getting tired of so many characters on the show, there are so many, can't really get any feelings for any of them. This used to be one of my favorite shows along with Supernatural, but this season it does not come close to being as good as SPN.
ReplyDeleteVampires are not the oldest supernatural beings. Werewolves and Witches are older. Klaus was born with the werewolf gene and witches created vampires.
ReplyDeleteAwesome episode. Only 2 things makes me upset.
ReplyDelete1) April - I don´t even know why is she still there. She is going to tell everyone in the city about vampires, or what?
2) Elena´s first love confession to Damon - Really? By the phone? Who does that? I think he deserves much more than that.
Silus isn't a vampire.
ReplyDeleteThe cast way too big, they need to put the focus only on the main 8+ Rebekah and give the rest an actual rest.
ReplyDeleteThis was such a great episode. I do have to say though I will be so happy when they kill off April, I am really starting to hate her. And I guess my hopes for Elena and Stefan to get back together has been shattered into a million pieces. I really loved Rebekah in this episode. We found out a little more about this Silus(sp?) person. I still do not like the Professor guy and the fact that Bonnie is STILL beyond clueless is getting on my nerves. Jeremy is about to embrace his hunter destiny and is about to kill a bunch of vampires and I think that when this happens no one will be able to control him after. That should be interesting to see. Tyler needs to get rid of his guilt and go and attempt to kill Klaus. Elena and Damon together I am not a fan of but I guess I better get used to it since it is happening. The rest of the season I think will be so awesome.
ReplyDeleteGood ep. Gives me the impression, Becca is no better than her psycho brother.
ReplyDelete"Was that necessary?" "No, but it was fun" And she is wondering, why she doesn't have any friends?
"Welcome to the last 900 years of my life" Well, no one forced her to stay with Klaus. Oh, no, Klaus did. And yet she stayed with him when she had the chance to leave.
Is it me or is April a hypocrite? She was mad at Elena for compelling her (which by the way she did to erase horrible memories and giving her the opportunity to live a normal life, away from all this madness), but she's fine with Becca compelling the others to have her fun? Guess, that is why Becca sent her away. So April wouldn't see what she's doing to them.
Yes, April, Becca is a 1000 years old original vampire. But she is not your friend.
I absolutelysupport that Becca gives the cure to Klaus and watches him to suffer by realizing he's mortal again. And of course she has to compel him so he wouldn't become a vampire again.
"She slept with Damon" The little and unimportant part Stefan forgot to mention is, that they already broke up before she slept with Damon. He made it sound like he broke up because she slept with his brother.
Damn, Damon. You think Elena will be glad or impressed to hear that you cooperate with Klaus in that way? Letting him kill 10 or more people to turn them so Jer can kill them? I already suggested a trip to a bigger city. Plenty of vamps for Jer to kill.
I can't believe Stefan wanted Becca to erase his memories. I get that he's hurt, but loosing all he had with her? Did it meant nothing to him? Besides, Elena had a point. He was treating her and looking at her like a broken doll that needs to be fixed. How could she be with someone acting like that.
And now Stefan is working with Becca? The person he hated cause she killed Elena? I'm afraid he'll lose it again and turning into ripper Stefan.
And I can't believe they lost the white oak stake.
Slump? True. But it's only because JP in incapable of letting Klaus and the originals go. Seriously,to me it seems sometimes, like she's making things up to keep them. We have to many filler eps. The entire original chapter should have been finished by S3.
ReplyDeleteI'm not getting tired, but sick. Of Klaus and his horrible family. The show was so much better
ReplyDeletebefore them. They did their part, now it's time to finally let them go, so the show can again be as good as it was.
Where from? Well, it's just common. It's a theme you see in many shows and movies. After almost a century of movies and shows it's hard for producers and writers to come up with something new. Face it. Everything we saw for the past 20 years, we saw in another movie or show before.
ReplyDeleteYes, April turns out to be a hypocrite. Accuse Elena for erasing her memories of things she wouldn't want to remember, but not minding Becca to compel them to have her fun?
ReplyDeleteI don't know if Elena and Stefan will be back together. For now it doesn't seem like it. But remember how many times Elena said she hates Damon and want's nothing to do with him. And now? And besides, I already said last year, that she will make up her mind and stick to it at the end of the last season. Till then, she will be drawn between both brothers. Like in the books. I guess, next season she will be with Stefan again. Before she goes back to Damon. Just my guess. After all, Elena between the boys is part of the storyline. No matter what monsters JP throws at them.
Yes, I don't like Shane either. Damon was right from the beginning. Something is not right with that guy. And Bonnie? Please. She's just too stupid to realize that Shane is not what he pretends to be. She should listen to Damon.
Klaus is playing with fire. Jeremy already lost control and almost killed his sister. If Klaus is pushing him, he can lose it again. And of course, he will blame everyone else.
Well, remember JPs interview from last year. The spell Esther used, already existed. And the witch that helped her (one of Bonnies ancestors) warned her of the consequences. Like she knew? Esthers disgusting brads weren't the first vampires. Silas came before (probably thousands of years before Klaus and his siblings). Maybe others too.
ReplyDeleteNo, I think Silas is a vampire. He could have some special powers, given him by the witch, but he is an original. How did the legend go? Silas asked a witch to make him immortal. She did, but then he betrayed her and wanted to share his immortality with another woman. So the witch killed the woman and locked Silas away. Wasn't it something like that?
Stefan holding on to the remains? He wanted Becca to erase his memories of Elena. And of course Elenas love for Damon is real. The attraction was there since S1. And during S3 they came closer since Stefan wasn't exactly there (and if he was, he wasn't exactly boyfriend material). She fell in love with Damon, but her feelings have nothing to do with the sire bond. Her feelings (real, true feelings) were the reason she became sired to him in the first place. And Ty said it: The sire bond is changing how you act, not how you feel.
If that cure exists, and if they make Elena human again, she will still love Damon.
According to Shane witches ARE the architects of the supernatural world and responsible for
ReplyDeleteeverything. Including werewolves, vampires, hunters, and what else JP is coming up with.
I think he is. He could have special powers, given to him by the witch (like he is linked to someone or something and can't be killed, like Esther did with Alaric when she linked him to Elena, or she created him the way no weapon can kill him, so only the cure could heal him and make him mortal), or maybe he was something else before he turned (like Klaus). But I think, he is a vampire. An original, probably the very first.
ReplyDeleteRemember, that the spell Esther used already existed. And according to the legend (if I remember correctly) Silas asked a witch to make him immortal. He wanted to share this immortality with another woman. There aren't many immortal beings out there. Well, he could be a demon (the upper levels are sometimes immortal and hard to kill. But for now we haven't touched the theme of demons on TVD. JP even dropped a succubus as Matts mom.). But demons can't make others immortal, can they?
So, an immortal that can make other humans immortal? For now my money is on vampire.
it's Silas!
ReplyDeleteWhich is why a spin off is a good idea, that way she can put her Original obsession on a different show
ReplyDeleteApril isn't. All she knows is Elena lied to her and compelled her and all Rebekah wanted was to sit at the table and ask them some questions and for them to actually tell the truth.
ReplyDeleteIt may sound like that but I think what Stefan means here is that Elena's relationship with Stefan meant nothing to her. She just switched brothers.
Actually, yes, Damon, when Stefan made Jeremy kill, Elena was mad at him, but I guess she would be more understanding with Damon because of the sire and love thing.
You confuse me, when Jeremy kills vampires it's okay but if it's Klaus, he is a psycho maniac who needs to be put down? Jeremy actually wants to kill vampires.
It is exactly the opposite, it meant so much to him that it's hard for him to know it's meant so little to Elena in the end. Might be, but she told him many times being a vampire is not what she wants.
I Think is one of the best of this season so far... i think Kevin is bringing new stories and this second half of the season will be much more stunning and breathless than the first (boring) part! This episode i saw the old The Vampire Diaries, i guess it's coming back!
ReplyDeletei think April will be the key of this entire season, she will be the one to reveal Shane's secret agenda to the group...
ReplyDeleteI think Elena told Damon she was in love with him on the phone 'cuz she cannot see her boyfriend (?) and that was the only way she had!
I Think this second half of the season will be much better...i guess this first part was made just to create the bases of these upcoming episodes! this one was amazing and i see the old TVD!
ReplyDeleteElena,Damon,Stefan,Matt,Jeremy,Bonnie,Caroline,Tyler,Klaus,Shane,April and Rebekkah...they are 12...like 12 werewolves...i think it's a recurring number...just a coincidence?
ReplyDeleteI would rather consider the spinoff as the best (or only) solution, than a good idea.
ReplyDeleteIt would be a good idea, if the characters were popular and interesting and there would be too much story to tell. Well, interesting they are. And there is 1000 years of their past to tell. But recently I got the feeling many fans are bored and annoyed by them. The fans are more than ready to let them go (for good), but JP is incapable of letting Klaus and his siblings go. As long as they stick around, the story has to be adjusted, so they fit in. By now, the story development has come nearly to a stop. So, the spinoff is the only way to get rid of them for long enough, so the story on TVD can finally move on to the next chapter.
Since the only original I like is Elijah, I won't be watching the spin-off and I hope it comes soon. This ep had writing a 12 year old would put out..the scenes with the group compelled was just so....I don't even know a word to fit. lol
ReplyDeleteI hope too, that it will get better.
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong, S3 and S4 (so far) had great storylines. The hybrids and the original family, the Five, Elenas new life. I just get the feeling, that we have too many filler eps, that the story should develop faster. We should have completely closed the Original chapter by S3.
Hey hon!
ReplyDeleteShe was not okay with Elena erasing things she didn't even want to remember (being almost killed by a fanatic. Twice), but she was okay with Becca manipulating others to get her way? I call that hypocrite. But I must admit, Becca said that she just wants to talk, that she wants the truth. Guess April believed it. And she did sent April away, before she started torturing them.
It sounds exactly like that. Becca asked Stefan what happened, and he said, she slept with Damon. It sounds like she is asking for the reason, and he is blaming Elena sleeping with Damon. I know it's not like that, but it sounds like he broke up cause she slept with Damon.
And of course their relationship meant something to Elena. I know you're not a big fan of hers, but you can't accuse her of never caring for Stefan, or their relationship. She loved him. And she was in love with him. She accepted him being a vampire, she didn't abandon him after he lost control in S1, she also didn't pushed him away when she learned about his ripper past, also she took him back time and again. I think, in S3 she was the one (the only one) putting some effort and energy into their relationship. She was looking for him, risked her life to find him, and after he pushed her away, she still wanted to be with him. If she would have simply wanted to switch the brothers (as you put it), she could have been with Damon since Klaus forced Stefan to turn off his humanity (and kill the girl he loved). But she didn't. She didn't gave up on Stefan.
Sired or not, in love or not, Elena won't be impressed. But I guess that her focus will be on Klaus part in it (at least someone with more than 2 brain cells). He killed all those people, not Damon (Oh, I forgot. You don't see it as killing, but as evolution. Does that goes too for Klaus turning them just to kill them?). And he would have done it anyway. I really wish, I could say that I hoped Damon would do something against it. But we all know that there is no point in fighting Klaus. You can just cooperate and keep the damage that psycho causes low. Try to go against Klaus and more people die.
I never said that it's okay for anyone to kill. Not even for hunter Jeremy. I just said, that if he has to kill vamps (and we're again at the point, where our beloved Klaus leaves us no choice), he should go to a bigger city, where the vamps are. Not killing and turning innocent people just to kill them.
And yes, Klaus is a psycho maniac. He kills for fun or pleasure. He tortures as normally as you breathe. There are other ways to get others to cooperate then killing their friends and there are other ways to deliver messages than slaughter an entire family.
Of course she never wanted to be a vampire (who would?). She's still not happy about it, but she adjusted (as I said she would since the last scene of S3). With Elena having a point I meant, that he (as she put it and I already said it too) was treating her like a broken toy that needs to be fixed. He should be helping her to adjust to her new life, showing her, that it can have his good sides too (at the girls night she was having fun with her vamp powers. That's what he should have shown her). Instead he tried to pretend like nothing happened. And when he was lying and working with Klaus behind her back she felt that something is going on and he isn't telling. Not helping.
That's why he's getting a spin-off :)
ReplyDeleteI absolutely agree and understand. But … If fans are getting tired of some character, or this character doesn't have any purpose anymore, don't they usually just kill off that character? They kill him, not give him an own show. Guess normal rules (or logic) doesn't count if you're JPs favorite.
ReplyDeleteIt's the only reason I support that spinoff. It's the only way to get finally finally rid of him.
I'll have to see the pilot first before I can make a decicion (but knowing myself I'll probably watch it). But they definitly worked themselves into a corner with the fact that if Klaus dies, everyone dies. Now he just remains the constant threat, so I agree that with the spin off they'll be able to move forward again on TVD
ReplyDeleteThe part about Elena's love for Damon is complete bullshit. Only brainless people can believe it. I know it and i'm not even a Stefan/Elena shipper.
ReplyDeleteI always say that I probably wouldn't watch it, that I'm not interested. But I say that know. And I might hold on to that decision. But when the show would start, I probably couldn't resist. Curiosity killed the cat.
ReplyDeleteSo, no matter how often I declare that I won't watch it, I will probably watch at least the first 3 or 4 eps, before making my final decision.
It's not that they worked themselves into the corner by making it impossible to kill Klaus. They could find ways to let him go. They could find a spell to break the bond between an original and the vampires in his line, so the others wouldn't die if the original dies. That way they could kill him. Or, they could put him in a coffin or locking him in a tomb. Or, he could just leave town, as he intended to do several times. The problem is, that JP in unable to let him go.
Yeah I know she couldn´t see him, but I would probably wait to do it in person. It´s kind of face to face thing.
ReplyDeleteBullshit? Why? As much as I hate it, I can only repeat myself. If you watched S1 you should have realize that they were attracted to each other from the beginning. And they became friends. True, sometimes he did something stupid and she hated him. But he changed. She learned that she can trust him, after all he risked his life for her. And when Stefan wasn't there in S3 they came closer. Remember the make out in the motel?
ReplyDeleteShe loves him. And she is in love with him.
According to the witch, she is sired to him, because she truly loved him before she turned. And not the other way around. Prove? If the sire bond has something to do with feelings, all hybrids would love Klaus.
I didn't see what you saw:
ReplyDeletein the 2 first seasons, she was completely in love with Stefan and had only eyes for him. Damon was just the annoying brother of her boyfriend.
In season 3, she was frustrated to be separated from him and was toying with Damon: making out with him in 3.19 didn't prevent her to let die him alone in the season finale.
In season 4, she told Stefan, he was the best choice she ever made and wanted to be with him forever.
And then suddenly starting from episode 6, she made a 180° turn in one episode and began to worship Damon and talk about him like the member of a sect talk about his leader.
The change is too quick and too much massive to not be suspicious: there's no way she would have give up on Stefan. After what the 2 brothers did for her: they save her life both and she trusted them both, she had largely the time to compare them, and she has always chosen Stefan.
Don't care about what the witches said, they created vampirism not the sire bond and they probably didn't know why it appears in the first place. The witch wasn't a special one like the Bennett, just a ramdom one who was just telling the brothers what she thought to be true, and it's not necessarily the truth.
Damon is a big asshole: he lives by himself, to satisfy himself at the expense of other people: the sire bond doesn't affect only feelings, Elena has lost her free will and acts essentially to please him and yet he never mentioned it. With friends like that, nobody needs enemy
one of the best episode of TVD.
ReplyDeletewasn't Stephen and some of the others on vervain for this exact reason, so Klaus and the gang could not compel them, what happened to that?
ReplyDeleteYes, she was in love with Stefan. But do me a favor and watch S1 ep 19, where Elena and Damon dance. You could not only see, but touch the attraction between them. It was already there. There are several more situations, where you could see it, but in S1 it was rarely so obvious. It was always there.
ReplyDeleteShe maybe was frustrated, but that doesn't mean, they didn't get closer in the months, where they were alone.
And yes, she let him die alone to be with Stefan, and seriously, I don't understand why. She had to make a choice but I don't know why she choose Stefan. Although their relationship wasn't damaged by her becoming a vampire (He had problems with her being a vampire. He just couldn't accept, that she had changed, that she is not his Elena anymore. He just wanted to pretend, nothing happened. And as Elena said it, he treated her like a damaged toy that needed to be fixed. And she also said, that she couldn't be with a person that treated her like that).
She didn't just begun to worship Damon. The sire bond may be responsible that she agreed on what he said, or did what he told her to do (she's sired and can't fight it. Even Tyler couldn't ignore Klaus order to bite Caroline). But it didn't changed anything about her feelings.
Maybe it was too quick for Elena to move on to Damon, after she just broke up with Stefan. But on the other side: why wait. She loved him, he loved her, … To wait would be a waste of time. But I wouldn't say that the change was too quick. Not after the make out in S3. I still believe that, without Jeremy, they could have gone even further then just kissing.
"After what the 2 brothers did for her" You said it: both brothers. So, why would it be okay to love Stefan and not Damon?
Okay. If you doubt the wisdom of an old witch, tell me you theory. Why is Elena sired to Damon? We know that the hybrids were sired, cause they were grateful to Klaus cause they didn't need to change every full moon (if you ask me, I'd rather turn once a month, even if it's a nightmare, then being his slave every fucking day for the rest of my eternal life). Elena never wanted to be a vampire, so I guess she's not grateful. So, why is she sired to him? And how do you know that she was just a clueless random witch? She could be related to Bonnie. We haven't been consulting any family trees. Didn't Bonnie had a cousin or something like that back in S2? You don't know how far back the witches family goes or how strong the magic in her family was. Or how much wisdom she possesses. You're making conclusions with no ground.
True, if Damon orders Elena to do something, she can't disobey. But the sire bond doesn't change how you feel, just how you act. Tyler said that. Do you doubt his words too (don't forget he's been thru it). None of the hybrids loved Klaus. They hated him. If the bond would change their feelings, they would love him. No one would break the sire bond. Cause if they would love him, they wouldn't mind being sired to him. Like Elena doesn't care. Cause she loves Damon.
Rebekah don't has to compell klaus to don't turn into a vampire again.. if klaus is healed from being a vampire he is still a werwolf.. and since he is the only one who can make hybrids no one can turn him into a vampire again
ReplyDeleteOf course I thought about that too. It's been a while, so pleas remind me. Is Klaus really the only hybrid who can create hybrids (was it explained as a rule) or do we just assume that, cause none of the other hybrids ever tried it?
ReplyDeleteBut even if one of the other hybrids could create new hybrids, he would need human-Elenas blood. If she stays a vampire, there can't be any more hybrids created.
But I would still compel him. Precaution. We know JP likes to chance rules as she pleases. So she would probably find a way for Klaus to become hybrid (or at least vampire, if she decided to make him normal human) again. And leave him as werewolf, would be fine too. Not only would he be mortal again, he would also have to go thru a painful transformation every full moon.
In the season premiere, Pastor Young and his men rounded up all the vervain in Mystic Falls including the stash the Salvatores had. The only vervain left in town was in Alaric's old apartment and they used it up in episode 4.05 "The Killer." Now there's none left.
ReplyDeleteSolid episode all around.
ReplyDelete- Good use of the entire cast in this episode except for Caroline. The writers gave her nothing to do. She could have at least had a discussion with Elena about betraying Elena's trust and telling Stefan about her sleeping with Damon.
- Until this episode I was a supporter of April. Now she's just an innocent with a grudge who's in way over her head, making false assumptions (thanks to Rebekah) and bad decisions.
- I may not like her behavior but Rebekah was great and Claire Holt did a damn good job this week.
- Kol was genuinely freaking out about Silas. It's a nice change from him acting like a petulant sociopath, which he normally does.
- I liked what Liz had to say about Carol in her eulogy. I loved that Damon shot Klaus for what he did to Carol. Those two always got along pretty well.
- Bonnie is finally getting to the awful truth of what Shane has been teaching her but I'm not sure if it's making a difference.
- Stefan went so far as to say that he hates his brother. If that hatred is solely because of Damon and Elena, then it is undeserved.
- I don't like how Damon switched gears and turned all those people so Jeremy could kill them. He damn well better protect him and not just leave him to face all those vamps on his own.
- It probably goes without saying but Delena shippers probably loved this episode.
- I feel sorry for Tyler. His life is one big pile of crap right now.
All in all, this was a really solid return episode that gave us a lot of plot progression. If the rest of the season is at this level or better, I'll be satisfied with season 4.
Rebekah works infinitely times better as a villain to hang around than Klauss does, because not only is she more fun to watch, but comes from a much more human place and we can actually understand her pain and feelings a lot more, so it is not like the moral ground of the show is affected with her around. with klaus around, absolutely, i disagree with stefan and caroline on that, he really is worse than them. rebekah is different so it all works. all in all, a good episode, i finally caught up with the season, which i still say is by far the weakest season of tvd. it pains me to see the show going downhill like this, i sort of hope that the spin-off happens so that tvd can go back to basics a bit (the love triangle will still be a problem though). Someone i love this season is tyler, he became one of my favorite characters, hope to see a lot more of him.
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