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POLL : What did you think of Supernatural - LARP and the Real Girl?

Jan 24, 2013

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158 comments:

  1. ThirtyJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:01 AM

    I think that was an unmitigated disaster.

    Ugh.

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  2. chris684January 24, 2013 at 3:10 AM

    I voted poor. I found it pretty boring and too retro season 7. By that I mean heavily Dean-centric, heavily guest-centric, no clue what to do with Sam, no myth-arc movement. I suppose they could balance the Sam-Dean dynamic by making the next episode more Sam-centric, but considering the promo had three lines from Dean and one from Sam I don't have my hopes up.

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  3. JustinC00January 24, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    Really you base that on how many lines they have in a promo?

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  4. ZoeFJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:11 AM

    Funny, charming & the last scene was hilarious. But that isn't why I tune into Supernatural, at all.

    Continuity problem - faeries can't be seen unless you go to the faery would. Edlund made quite a point of that. Robertson pretty much abandons continuity, since Slash Fiction.

    That line Charlie said about Dean being responsible for Sam being alone and unhappy again, pissed me off so much it made me speechless. I thought we suffered through last episode because Sam chose to leave Amelia and return to Dean by choice. Apparently not. POd.

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  5. rehabberJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    I loved it and I got to see Sam smile, been a long time coming.

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  6. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    Alright episode tonight. Better than Heartache, Bitten, and Southern Comfort, but the rest of the Season 8 episodes I liked more.

    Only part I really found funny was Dean and Sam joining in "the final battle" scene.

    Charlie was great though as expected.


    And it was great to see Sam and Dean finally getting along! Thank you writers. About time. (It's just a shame that they can only get along when they're alone and unhappy.)

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  7. MarissaAOJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:12 AM

    That was a nice, refreshing episode. I really enjoyed it. Charlie Bradbury is one unquestionably well-done character.

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  8. AndrezzaJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    It was Awesome, I had fun from beginning to end of the episode. :D

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  9. chris684January 24, 2013 at 3:20 AM

    I have to say I agree. It was just boring. I found Bitten different but interesting. I hated a lot of 8.1 but it interested me because I felt there was a lot going on that I didn't understand yet. This is something I will never rewatch.

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  10. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:22 AM

    I didn't notice the fairy thing - true!


    And I'm the same. I don't watch Supernatural for giggles, I watch for the scary drama and action. I don't mind an occasional good light episode but SPN's lighter episodes tend to be too silly for me. I miss the more subtitle humor Supernatural had in its early days.

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  11. Megan_BJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:28 AM

    I tend to agree with you on this, but with all the fight and the crap of the last half-season, I didn't mind this time to have a fun episode like this one

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  12. chris684January 24, 2013 at 3:29 AM

    OK, how many people who voted me down really expect the next episode to be a Sam centric? I want to see named and rationales here.

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  13. ZoeFJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    Yes! What I really miss are those awesome episodes that combined humor with tragedy and moved the main story arc along. Like "My Bloody Valentine" or "Nightshifter" or "Mystery Spot" and "Changing Channels." Now it comes off as a parody of itself.

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  14. JessieJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:32 AM

    I don't think we'll ever see a Sam-centric episode this year. In this one they sent Sam off to do research so Dean can bond with the guest star, Dean got to dress up, and Dean got all the funny lines while Sam acts like a stick-in-the-mud. Nothing unusual here. Will there ever be balance?

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  15. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:33 AM

    Ok here goes .I HATED IT! it took Supernatural and made it like silly with the bad actors and the cheesy music and what is with the bull ? i mean yeh she's a fairy but why pretend to be evil ?. Also Sam was being kind of selfish when Dean was trying to connect at the start and even understanding why Sam is hurt ,But hello so is Dean ! he let go off Benny .I am a Dean girl but i love Sam aswell i do , but i thought it was weird of Sam to act like he's the only one hurt .However Dean needs to tell that to Sam that he let go off Benny because if you think about last weeks episode Dean never told Sam he did that ,but then Dean aint for talking much lol..I hated it all honestly i was playing a Facebook game it was more interesting sorry ,not my thing .I am one for trying to take positive things from each episode but ,there was hardly any good bit's apart from the fact Sam and Dean did connect at the end and had fun (the whole brave heart thing) it was cool and funny and all ,but it should of maby been at a pub having a few beers chatting or in a hotel having a few beers ,cause to me it took SPN again away from the show i love, but saying that Dean does love his movies and that haha .I know SPN takes risks , Changing channels,The french mistake,Bad day at black ,The unforgiving Etc...But they all rocked! and didn't have me thinking "oh my lord please finish" lol. I Even hated Charlie this time around she was annoying ,cheesy,and smug and blamed Dean for everything (yeh she's right about the text) but she said something like Dean ruined sam's is life again , ok then , so Sam had no choice when Dean said go be happy blah bla blah...last week?.I know some people will love this episode and hay that's cool just spn can and has done better . Next weeks i am not looking forward to ether with the time travel thing ,but hay maby i will be proven wrong (i hope). My vote was poor and i have only vote poor once with "heartache" i liked bitten haha . SO out of 10 it get's a 4/10 :'(

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  16. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:44 AM

    just wanna say one more thing Sam did get to dress up , i know it was short but he still did .He had warrior paint on and everything

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  17. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:48 AM

    lol vote down all you want ppl you know its true :p x

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  18. MontyFreeJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    Do we really need to talk about him in every single episode? Why do people always have to complain because he's not in every episode? The show is about the brothers I'm sorry they take a an episode or two to NOT focus on a supporting character.

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  19. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:51 AM

    100% agree

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  20. lsbloomJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:58 AM

    They almost lost me with the car convo in the first five minutes. Let's start with the blatant "hey this is a filler episode" built into the dialogue--that's not meta that's lazy. Then, I definitely changed the channel when Dean said "A total Bobby move." Stop hitting me over the head with the idea that you've replaced Bobby(!!!) with Garth. I came back. Then they brought me back with Charlie being nice--but all the asides to underlying conflict only riled me back up in an episode I was hoping to forget all that in. Then we'd be okay for a little while. Charlie saved the day Harry Potter style (seriously? Is the Supernatural audience really into Harry Potter? The Princess Bride quotes, fine, on target. But Call Me Maybe? Where was the dialogue? I digress). What was up with the facing reality theme? I wish it had totally been outside the arc instead of only bringing up the annoying bits. Felicia Day carried most of the episode, not sure if that is good or bad. But she is adorable. And it wasn't nearly as bad as the rest of the season.


    Plus, bonus points for putting Sam's hair up.

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  21. MarissaAOJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:59 AM

    No, only when the end of the previous episode ended with them worrying about him and not figuring out what's wrong. It's called continuity.

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  22. percysownerJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    Probably not.

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  23. MontyFreeJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:04 AM

    Thank you for the vocabulary lessons but in case you haven't noticed they take breaks like this from the myth arc ALL THE TIME.

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  24. DahneJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    Best episode this season. At least I was laughing instead of throwing things at my computer screen this time. I needed that.

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  25. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:18 AM

    I have given it a lot of thought recently, and my perfect Supernatural would have...


    - The myth-arc action of Season 4 and 5
    - The stand alone episodes/lighter scenes of Season 1 and 2.
    - The teamwork of Season 5 (TMTM episode especially) and Season 8
    - The brotherhood of Season 2

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  26. Kiersten Hagins :-)January 24, 2013 at 4:20 AM

    I loved everything about it!! <3 No complaints, love the outfits, sam hair being pulled back was funny and cute, charlie is hilarious, and can't wait until next episode :D

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  27. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:25 AM

    They could at least mention searching up something though. Great example of continuity is "Hammer Of The Gods" where there was maybe 1 or 2 sentences about needing to find Adam and Cas. There are other episodes where they'll mention not being able to find a demon so they turn to other work until they can.


    The writer did do good tonight mentioning the tablet.

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  28. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:28 AM

    this was the best ep of the season so far I loved it thank you charlie for getting the boys alittle happyness again it was a great ep I really can not find anything bad but someone will but I can't we needed this ep so bad I nedded a fun one and got it .

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  29. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:30 AM

    amen to that!

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  30. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:35 AM

    I'm still not liking Garth being Bobby's step-in. I never really liked the character and he took over one of my favorite characters' job? Couldn't the guy who told Dean about the healer in 7x17 have taken over? He seemed nice for a hunter, and serious.

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  31. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:40 AM

    I am with you on that I did not want to throw my remote at the tv anymore we needed this ep and what is wrong with the people who say they did not like this what more do you people want from this show COME ON!

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  32. Debbie CombsJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:48 AM

    Yippee. That tiny clip means that they didn't totally forget about Sam this episode... He also was "allowed" to talk to somebody while he did the research away from the action.... I'm thrilled. I was on the edge of my seat when he got pinned by the suit of armor right away so that he didn't get in the way... At least he wasn't thrown in a closet.

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  33. MarissaAOJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:49 AM

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

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  34. Debbie CombsJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:51 AM

    You can see them if they want you to... Everybody could see the Leprechaun until he didn't want them to. Dean though could see them all of the time whether they wanted him to or not. So, apparently this fairy wanted Charlie to see her.

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  35. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:58 AM

    I'd like it to be more balanced. And the humor on the show has become cheap.

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  36. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:21 AM

    lol i do get what you mean .However at least the last 5 mins he was dressed up .Also this season at least he's using his brains unlike last season .Dean drunk all the time or cried and Sam had no story in s7 .At least there was Amelia this season , i know it's not AWSOME ,Dean does have more story line al admit that ,but hopefully that will change x

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  37. Debbie CombsJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:29 AM

    It's only wrong occasionally. I remember when I thought Sam was going to have a small part (10 minutes or so) in In the Beginning because they had a promo shot of Sam. That is why I was so stunned when we got to the end of In the Beginning and Sam's total time was only about 40 seconds. Why put out a promo photo when all he did was get in the car and say one word? Why?... to make us think that Sam was actually in the episode.

    But usually the promo along with the promo photos give you a definite idea... Then, if the sneak peek is also heavy one way or the other that usually clinches the decision. When you look at the promo photos for this episode you see Dean dressed up. When that is compared with the FBI outfit that Sam is wearing, most logical people will be able to tell that Dean is doing more in the episode than Sam. How many times have interesting things happened while they are still playing FBI?. The FBI ask questions, maybe intimidate a bit, or get in a shoot out. However, this is a Larping episode where swords were involved. My guess is that the FBI guy will not be participating as much as Robin Hood with Charlie or all three together. These promo photos are moderately balanced between Sam and Dean because the guest star seems to be the star of the promo photos. But, still they lean towards Dean being more involved... Then, the promo kind of reinforces that presumption. The sneak peek picked a scene where both of the boys were dressed as FBI, however the producers preview really made it look Dean heavy and I would have been very surprised to find the episode Sam centric.

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  38. DngnRdrJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:38 AM

    I thought it was funny that the people in the computer tent (or whatever they called it) were playing Dragon Age 2, specifically the DLC mission Mark of the Assassin, which also starred Felicia Day.

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  39. Debbie CombsJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:44 AM

    I believe that final clip was less than a minute, but I will have to wait for iTunes to find out... but I can do my own 'freeze frame' and look at Sam in leather pants and Dean with long hair... So, that was acceptable. Sam not participating in any action is getting really old though. Sometimes they get to fight together on something, but if one one is going to be involved in the action, it will be Dean.



    As far as Amelia flashbacks go, I would almost (but not quite) rather not see him than see him in those Amelia scenes. If we would have had all of them in one episode and gotten it over with in one fell swoop I probably could have taken it better, but the way they cut away to them always seemed like another way to get Sam out of the action... Oh, Sam is going into the library to research for a while, so let's pause to watch Amelia yell at him while he fixes her sink... Dean is going to go off with Castiel, so after Castiel declares the dead body to have a bladder infection, let's start remembering meeting Amelia's father (WTF? How does Castiel sniffing out an infection remind him of Amelia *shiver*)... The flash backs popped out of nowhere and had nothing to do with what was happening anywhere. I watch Supernatural for the action and the brothers, not One Life to Live (1 life? I want hundreds of lives :-)


    I put up with a whole season of Dean drinking his pains away and Sam smiling and rubbing his hand... Now we have a season where the brothers don't really seem to be themselves (I will never get over Sam not looking for Dean). This episode at least felt a little more like the Supernatural I loved...

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  40. Lissie_BeeJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:46 AM

    I'm unashamed to say I had fun with this one. Was it a television masterpiece? No. Was it the best episode the show has ever aired? No. Was it arguably supporting character-centric? Yes. But I didn't find myself minding any of that too much. This show is so angsty, especially the last two seasons, and I was glad to see the boys have a bit of fun. I love how into the whole thing Dean was, and Sam's face was priceless every time he got (the rare opportunity, really) to judge his big brother for geeking out.


    Sure they only threw out a tiny mention the mytharc (but really, what's new?), and I do believe they'd be a teensy bit more worried about Cas' situation and whatever Crowley's brewing, but they need to take a step back and focus on the little things they can do to help every now and then. And I enjoyed every minute of it.

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  41. prpleightJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:58 AM

    Okay. about 3 episodes ago the blood/wall squirt effect hit the point where it's so distracting I'm thinking it's gonna have to be added to the drinking game (if its not already there)

    I loved the cop of the week.

    After having watched the sneak peek it was hysterical watching the cops let Sam and Dean into the crime scene while the dude at the Larping site spotted them as fakes.

    Jensen is so wonderful at scenes like the interrogation scene. The Belladonna joke made me choke on my beverage. :-) Loved his strategic help to Charlie. The Mel Gibson (I am blanking on what that movie was called. I only saw the trailer. :-) speech was great.



    loved the ep. Just all around loved it.

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  42. ShatteredOneJanuary 24, 2013 at 6:22 AM

    Holy crap! This is the first time I voted Awesome for an episode since Death's Door (hell I don't even know if I've voted Great since then). Very fun and enjoyable episode. I liked the buddy relationship with Dean and Charlie, and Dean being into the whole LARPing thing was hilarious. And Sam, I know you just left the woman you love, but there's nothing wrong with a little booty call with a cute chick.

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  43. Charlene BuchananJanuary 24, 2013 at 6:32 AM

    hahah ...Yeh the flashbacks could of been done better .I do agree though that Sam should take part more ,but that's probably the writers fault .Nah i love this season it's not prefect but it has to me something s6-s7 never had and the the fact dean and sam were arguing , arguing is good and realistic s6-s7 it was sweep'd under a rug .So maby the fact they have got it off there chests they can do more brotherly things together. Cool you liked it like a say just went to far for me .But i did enjoy the fact they spoke and connected :) ...Am hoping next weeks is good , i dont really like travel ,but then stranger things have happened xx

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  44. Jessica ValureJanuary 24, 2013 at 6:45 AM

    1 word for Supernatural is awesome

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  45. Robin SmythJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:24 AM

    Much better than I was expecting with Felicia Day, fairies, and LARP-ing.

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  46. sharonallyJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:52 AM

    Jeremy and co just carried on where the vwriting started with Eric.Obviously it is obligatory for Dean to 'bond' with characters while Sam gets pinned by something.

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  47. Elena WonderlandJanuary 24, 2013 at 9:35 AM

    IT WAS FREAKIN EPIC!!!!!!!The last scene was so awesome!!!!

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  48. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 10:51 AM

    yes and if Sam had engaged in said little booty call the fandom would have been all up in arms about him moving on too quick and say that he never actually loved Amelia in the first place. Sam cant win either way.

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  49. percysownerJanuary 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM

    Right now Castiel has disappeared and the boys have no way to figure out what is going on with him. I wish I thought this would help flesh out Sam's position when Dean was in Purgatory, but I suspect not.

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  50. Judy SmithJanuary 24, 2013 at 11:19 AM

    Braveheart.

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  51. DarkUFOJanuary 24, 2013 at 11:57 AM

    Yep, we already posted this in the Press Release

    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/01/supernatural-episode-814-trial-and.html

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  52. chris684January 24, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    TBH, I really can't imagine either Sam or Dean getting into these types of games - they are both too serious, but I think Robbie Thompson really missed the mark on this one in not developing more interaction between Sam and Charlie because I think Sam would fit into this world a lot better than Dean.


    Think about it:
    - Charlie is a super-intelligent computer-whiz and Sam is super-intelligent former mathlete. Sam is much more likely than Dean to have had friends like these people when he was in high school or college.
    - Charlie is dealing with having been forced to drop her life and her identity because of run-in with a monster. Sam is no stranger to shifting identities between college boy/hunter/hotel maintenence man. He knows about living a double-life.
    - I could be imagining this, but think there was a joke somewhere in the series about Sam having partcipated in some kind of drama production when he was a kid, so there could be a story about Sam's childhood here.


    This could have bee the perfect opportunity to get Sam talking and relating to someone other than Dean and Amelia and to build onto Sam's childhood (the normal, non-demon part), but for some reason, most of the writers seem stuck when it comes to seeing beyond Dean.

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  53. RossJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:17 PM

    It's a little bit sad when you realize it would have been Deans birthday last night and he wanted to go do something fun but Sam said no.

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  54. lsbloomJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:22 PM

    No one can replace Bobby for me. So it's best left alone so the wound can heal. It's not like they are doing any research this season, they could totally avoid the Bobby role all together. Which is why I think it bugs me. I feel like TPTB aren't so much going on a tablet quest as they are going on a quest to push every one of the fandom's buttons: brother fights, Bobby death, moral superiority, romantic interests in the show, guest stars stealing the show, etc, etc. Why so blatantly annoy people? That was really my only problem this week was them continuing to push buttons in an episode where they could have avoided it all.

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  55. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:33 PM

    except the show doesnt run on the same time line as the real world, we dont know what the date actually was and its not like they've ever aknowledged or done anything for their brithdays before. Besides Dean had fun and Sam joined in despite the fact that he actually isnt, what more do you want?

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  56. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:34 PM

    Man I keep missing those thats the second time thats happened to me in the past month or so.

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  57. lsbloomJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:40 PM

    I would have been annoyed because it was OOC for Sam--I could care less about him loving or not loving Amelia she was mean. But the only Sam who had "booty calls" was soulless Sam. I guess if they were going back to that... :)

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  58. RossJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM

    According to Superwiki (http://supernaturalwiki.tumblr.com/post/41352393520/happy-birthday-dean) the episode was actually on deans birthday. What I want is for the show to stop making Sam a bastard lol.

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  59. ScottAJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:47 PM

    Well, waited until this morning to get beaten up.


    Everybody exhale. You can't enjoy it until you exhale.


    Boys are SLOWLY mending fences, which is good.


    Looks like they're starting to accept Garth.


    AND a Braveheart scene. Pretty decent for a stand alone.

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  60. Debbie CombsJanuary 24, 2013 at 1:56 PM

    I totally agree. Dean is the primary focal point for nearly every recurring actor that has ever come on the show except for Ruby, Lucifer,Becky and Jessica. Sam did have some good interactions with Alistair also, but so did Dean. I don't think we ever had a good scene with Jodie and Dean... that is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.... Dean had a more significant relationship with Rufus (although Bobby was #1 with him), Samuel, young Mary, young John, All of the angels except Lucifer (although Castiel wins there sometimes... but I am just comparing between the brothers), Then there is Bobby, Castiel, Benny, Garth, Jo, Ellen, etc. Oh, Sam did have a short phone call with Ellen where she helped him out... There was also a short phone call with Bobby that I forgot about where Sam first told him about tricking Lucifer into the cage.


    It just makes me sad because if you look at non-recurring characters that are primary guest stars, Dean gets the bulk of that interaction as well.... That is why it always drives me nuts when people talk about Dean needing friends outside of Sam. Sam is the friendless one here not Dean. People talk about Sam having friends in school and Dean not having any but the way he makes friends now, the only way he would not have friends while Sam was in school is if he didn't want to have friends.

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  61. cns3eJanuary 24, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    Overall I really enjoyed the episode. Lots of laughs for me. I admit I LOL when the sherriff said, "Kids
    . With their text and murders." and then I thought how inappropriate!
    Didn't care for Charlie saying it's Dean's fault that Sam and Amelia broke up. Sam is an adult fully capable of making his own decisions. Sam choice hunting, not Dean.
    Also didn't care for how the writers had Dean send Charlie to Sam by herself when they know there is a threat out there. That was kind of stupid.
    But overall Great Episode!

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  62. SuePoJanuary 24, 2013 at 2:15 PM

    That was a fun episode. Not sure what to rate it yet because there were parts that irked me, but over all I liked it. I liked that Charlie accepted that the Winchesters were there to help. A good Queen will always see what is best for her subjects. :) The fact that all the LARPers were vying for her attention was cute. Poor guys didn't know she played for the other team but it was a cute little nerd lovefest. By the way, isn't it strange how apparently a large portion of female LARPers appear to be lesbians? :) Anyway, the story was basically filler, but entertaining. The fairy was very pretty (like fairies should be!) and it the bad guy reveal was well done -- for once I didn't see it coming. Love how the fight went down -- the fairy reluctantly helping her nerdy 'master'; the suit of armor attacking Sam; the sword becoming real and chopping Dean's fake one in half. :) Good stuff. Liked the girl who helped Sam out. Made the researchy part not such a stretch. She knew them, so could give him actual info about the other victims. One question: how did he get a password? Guess his computer hacking skills are still good. My favorite scene was the search in the forest when Dean finally got sick of the LARPers and just pulled out a real gun and fired. Kinda took everyone out of the moment. Perfect Dean reaction.


    That being said, what didn't work for me is the writers shoving the anvil of Sam's 'sactifice' down our throats/ (and cue the Sammy worshippers!) I never bought into the entire Amelia thing in the first place, so trying to just tell me that he sacrificed everything (don't both Winchesters do that ALL THE TIME?) when they never showed me (or if they tried, it didn't come across the screen) annoyed the crap out of me. And of course, we had to have Dean take the blame again, cuz that's what Dean does. I expected that. Of course, Sam's panic over the big, evil text could've been avoided with a simple phone call to ask what was wrong, but that would've been too simple I guess. The whole thing doesn't track for me, but I'm letting it go and moving on.


    All in all, a nice, entertianing filler ep. Charlie was likeable and funny, Dean jumping into LARPing was funny (hey, you gotta find your fun where you can!) and the Braveheart speech at the end was hilarious. (loved the blonde wig!!) Charlie: "Isn't that the speech from..." Sam: "It's the only one he knows." Now that's gold. :) Looking forward to meeting Gpa Winchester. I hope the boys have a little more luck with this side of the family tree than the Campbell side.

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  63. chris684January 24, 2013 at 2:36 PM

    I agree that it's not Dean's fault Sam broke up with Amelia anymore than it's Sam's fault that Dean chose to not respond to Benny, but maybe what they were getting at was that Dean was admitting that Sam leaving Amelia was what he had wanted and had been subtly campaigning for since the beginning of the season with all of his digs about Sam not hunting.

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  64. chris684January 24, 2013 at 2:44 PM

    What did Dean do for Sam's last birthday?

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  65. jensenfan1978January 24, 2013 at 2:52 PM

    Why can't we just enjoy the story instead of worrying who had more lines or more fun. I liked that Dean understood Sam's attitude and Sam appreciated it. I love that Sam did the research. I love that Dean actually got a chance to do something he was interested in. I loved that he got to dress up because that is such a Dean type of thing. I loved that a girl hit on Sam. He wasn't ready for it, but it didn't turn him off. That's a good thing. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Sam suggested the fun should be for two. They boy had fun.

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  66. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

    I'm sorry I didnt realise they actually said during the episode that the date was Dean's birthday. I'll remind you that Dean's a dick when he doesnt do anything on Sam's birthday.
    Get a clue please

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  67. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

    Well he basically knows he cant have a normal life, I dont think he'll try that again. The show is unlikely to write him another love interest for the rest of the run however long that may be and most of us would agree that Sam isnt the booty call type. Unless Sam starts to actually go the booty call route from now on I dont think we'll see him getting 'any' again.

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  68. tvmonkeyJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

    If its not about Dean's thoughts and feelings then it doesnt really matter to the writers

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  69. chris684January 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM

    I have no problem when they focus more strongly on a character in an episode because they are moving that character's story forward - as long as in general they write for both characters and there are times when the other character is more in focus. But this episode was not about advancing either Sam's or Dean's storylines. There was no reason to focus more on Dean and give him all of the meanful interaction with the reoccuring character. If overall this show felt more balanced I wouldn't be commenting on it, but this pattern of switching focus to Dean everytime there's an interesting guest was done to death last season and got really tiresome. So it's a legit criticism.

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  70. RossJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:13 PM

    Get a clue? Okay.. I'm sorry? All I said was that it's sad Dean wanted to do something for his birthday and Sam said no, and that I wish the show would stop writing Sam out of character so much (which judging by the usual comments I'm sure as hell not alone in thinking). I didn't mean to offend anybody or anything, and I wasn't saying Dean was all awesome and is so amazing compared to Sam or anything like that. I just meant that it was a sad scene given the context that we now know it was his birthday, that's all. Once again, I apolgise for somehow offending everybody.

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  71. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Hm. Maybe it's my computer but there are an enormous amount of people voting awful.

    Last week's episode was much worse than this one and it didn't get as many awfuls.

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  72. IJustHadToJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM

    Yeah, I don't get it either :/

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  73. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM

    Maybe it's Castiel fans upset because he wasn't in it. :)

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  74. chris684January 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

    I'm a little surprised too, but I guess there are several groups this episode might have turned off: Destiel fans upset that Dean forgot Cas already, Sam fans upset that Sam was sidelined again, and people who just didn't find it funny. I fall into the later two camps, but even I didn't go quite as low as awful though.

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  75. João PauloJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM

    Awesome episode, actually was fun and creative too. Charlie is so cute I love her.

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  76. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

    No but this is an exceptional amount of awfuls and it must be some kind of concerted effort.

    As I said there have been many previous episodes much worse, such as Bitten which had a low concensus from most fans but never reached this amount of negative votes.
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    I myself disliked this episode.

    I'm beginning to think that Carver is also a bit schizophrenic.
    Last week he gave us an episode full of angst with the brothers hardly speaking to each other and in this episode 'tra-la-la' everything is fine and we have a great old time larping.

    Sam seemed so upset about leaving his great love Amelia and here we have him enjoying a little flirt with the blond girl, with whom he had way more chemistry than with the boring Amelia.
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    Heaven knows I'm the first to want the boys' brotherly bond back but if last week you angsted them to kingdom come, at least give us an episode where they are slowly starting to get back on an even footing not a slapstick one like this.
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    This could have come later in the season maybe when things had gotten a little better between them; that is of course if this isn't just a break before the whole brother fighting starts again and Amelia and Benny make a re-appearance.

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  77. Sharon WilkeJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM

    This episode was a much needed one. I actually laughed which hasn't been done watching Supernatural in a long time. I especially loved when Charlie said 'frak'! I love when they mix scifi into the episodes. I loved it!

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  78. DahneJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:15 PM

    That was my first thought but who know. See how the next couple of episodes are voted and you may have your answer.

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  79. Teresa CleghornJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

    Yes, I agree with "Stop hitting me over the head with the idea that you've replaced Bobby(!!!) with Garth." Bad enough to try to replace Bobby - but with a caricature who disses the boys and is self-righteous, and now a stalker, ewww.
    But besides that, I pretty much liked this episode. I like Charlie, she's fun and funny, but real. I think she was wrong to blame Dean (God, I hope she's wrong and that Sam did the right thing because it was the right thing.) I wanted Sam to be over Amelia already - Sam as the other guy, involved in an adulterous affair is not sympathetic, especially not when the other guy is a war hero. Sam deserves better. I liked that Dean, who has lost everyone except Sam, was ready to have fun. I laughed out loud at the last scene....but did they win?

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  80. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

    That's awfully generalized. I know my voting had nothing to do with Cas not being around. It was for everything being too silly for my tastes. I like subtle humor on Supernatural best (though I have a soft spot for Trickster episodes).


    I didn't vote awful though. Voted Okay.

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  81. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

    It's a comic episode, not everyone likes that.

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  82. PiliJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    I really liked the episode! It was a fun, light episode and i loved to see Charlie again, a character i had enjoyed from last season :) It was also really nice to see her character so well treated, btw.

    And it was nice to the guys taking a break from everything happened last week, though i´d have liked a brief mention to Cas, i understand its an episode which keeps the mithology low and Spn has always offered us moments like this. So, i voted awesome because Charlie was there again and everything about her was nicely done, her buddy relationship with Dean was so good to see and to see the guys laughing and smiling is a really change.

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  83. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:41 PM

    Hasn't it been that way for a while? Back in Season 4 we had Monster Movie right after a more serious episode, the one where Dean caught Sam with Ruby- 4x04 Metamorphosis. And in 4x05 Monster Movie everything was fine and dandy.

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  84. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

    I agree that it probably was the best episode of the season simply because it was a pleasurable romp and the boys got to smile and enjoy themselves but that's all it was.

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    There was no substance to it but I'm not going to nit-pick it although there were many, like the Garth reference and his keeping tabs on all the hunters' positions, or why on Earth the fairy had to have the animal skull and black cloak on, or that I had already guessed that it was the larper that was the fairy's master or that it was just too super easy for Charlie to find and destroy the magic book.etc. etc.
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    I'll just accept it at face value.:)

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  85. Samantha PetrelliJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM

    the episode was amazing, goes to the list of best episodes, no doubt.

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  86. DahneJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM

    The last big comedy episode we had was Plucky Pennywhistle... and 72% voted awesome for that. In fact only 18 votes were awful.

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  87. chris684January 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

    Humor is subjective. I find a lot of the Supernatural episodes funny, but this one didn't do much for me. I like it better when the characters seem real, and everything was a little too exaggerated in this one.

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  88. C PJanuary 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

    I do agree that it's cheap making drama between a "team" of people. In this year's case of Supernatural, the brothers. The fighting is not entertaining, it's actually boring as it's been done too often and I am starting to have a hard time remembering how it was like before the writers started insisting internal conflict was needed.


    I think the comparison to NCIS viewing is a little off though. NCIS is an exception. Most shows slowly lose viewers over time naturally.


    Person Of Interest is another example of little to no team conflict. That show has great characters and there is no arguing for the sake of drama between the main characters like is seen on Supernatural.

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  89. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

    Aw. I liked that episode. :)

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  90. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

    I agree. I especially didn't like Dean's speech at the end. It was a bit cringe-worthy.

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  91. isleofskyeJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

    I'm not accusing anyone but I have seen fans of Castiel coming together at times on the commenrts threads and making group. Is all

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  92. IndyJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

    ^That kind of makes me not want to watch last night's episode. I promised myself I'd skip all the "funny meta" / comedy episodes, and looks like this is one of them. I miss the early seasons humour as well. Silly sitcom humour just isn't my thing. I like dark, twisted, intelligent jokes. Bring back Gabriel/Trickster (or write a similar character)... At least his episodes were funny in an intelligent way.

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  93. IndyJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:24 PM

    My question is, will I miss anything important if I skip this episode? Did anything happen that I should know about in the next episode, and did they discuss anything that happened in previous episodes?

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  94. chris684January 24, 2013 at 5:26 PM

    no, it was filler.

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  95. ScottAJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:35 PM

    I think I got Garthed this morning in all this snow.

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  96. cns3eJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

    "On My Watch"- can SPN please retire this catch phrase...or at least only have Dean use it. The wording felt forced coming out of Charlie's mouth.

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  97. cns3eJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:41 PM

    They did discuss how it's all Dean's fault that Sam walked away from Amelia and how Sam can't make his own decisions and if he does the outcome of said decisions is not his fault because he was influenced too strongly by outside forces.

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  98. DahneJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM

    You will miss laughing but other than the fact that Charlie is now willing to help the brothers in the future, everything else was either just fun or old anvils being thrown around. I doubt they reference this episode until Felicia Day guest stars again.

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  99. rehabberJanuary 24, 2013 at 5:46 PM

    Dean was in LARP character and gave the speech from Braveheart. I loved it.

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  100. AgentBishopJanuary 24, 2013 at 6:04 PM

    This episode was what the fans needed after episode 10 which was quite depressing :)

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  101. percysownerJanuary 24, 2013 at 6:46 PM

    I'm pretty much giving up on Sam talking to anyone outside of Dean, and probably including Dean about his emotional state. The writers just aren't that interested in Sam as a person. It's easier to go in knowing that Sam will basically be sidelined.

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  102. percysownerJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:00 PM

    I fall into your last 2 camps, and I didn't do awful either. There have been worse. Most of the "funny" episodes aren't my type of humor, so I didn't expect to be thrilled by this, but it wasn't awful IMHO. But I do agree there were things that gave problems to various parts of the fandom which is probably pushing the ratings down.



    For me, my general dissatisfaction with this season affected how I felt about the episode as well. In a stronger season, I probably would have rated it higher.

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  103. JessieJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:01 PM

    This times a thousand!!!!

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  104. hlnkidJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:11 PM

    It was an average ep for me, and I think mostly because the ending was anti climatic. That the book of spells was so easily destroyed. I was needing more for an ending...just seemed kinda blah in that scene.

    Lots of good things in the ep though. The cop was very funny. "These kids today with their tweeting and their murder." LOL! And the look on Sam's face when Dean and Charlie both said 'porn star' at the same time.

    I do think it was the right call to have Sam a bit depressed in this ep. I think he dragged me down too though, maybe that was it! But coming off breaking it up with Amelia for good, it's natural that he have that type of reaction. Having to accept that that won't ever be his life. Depressing. Sheesh!

    Also like how they're keeping the Garth theme alive. That he's doing his best to be Bobby and doing it pretty darn well! Also good to see Dean trying to understand Sam's mood and what he did give up. These guys spend so much time disconnected, it's awkward sometimes when they reconnect.


    and at least we know that Jensen will never EVER be able to do any show/movie that requires him to wear a long blond wig. Ah, that was so horrible, that I about died laughing.

    Anyway...a better climatic ending would have popped this one up a notch for me. Still, a decent ep all the way around.

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  105. JessieJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:18 PM

    I know. I was so pissed when the the knight grabbed Sam and kept him out of the action so Dean could have the knife fight. They've done this so many times.

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  106. lsbloomJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:23 PM

    If they give us a reason, direct the character change, I'll roll with it. :) You gotta have felt bad for the guy for the last 7 years.

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  107. lsbloomJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:29 PM

    Don't get me wrong this was probably one of my highest rated episodes of this season. I just wish they hadn't insisted on pushing my buttons and the dialogue was a little better. So in the grand scheme of SPN not so epic, but for season 8 pretty good.

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  108. JessieJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:49 PM

    That being said, what didn't work for me is the writers shoving the anvil of Sam's 'sactifice' down our throats/ (and cue the Sammy worshippers!).
    They NEVER show Sam's story. They just tell it to us. That's why it is never believable.

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  109. JessieJanuary 24, 2013 at 7:56 PM

    And another poster denied there was Sam-hate on this board. LOL

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  110. Kerinda HartsonJanuary 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

    hey dude give it up come on there was no thing saying it was dean B-day not a damn thing ok and like the other guy said when ever did dean do something for sam on his B-day OH something else sam died on his B-day did you ever think about that I think it was season 2 but that is just something that happens on this show they never say much about it. untell this season.

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  111. SuePoJanuary 25, 2013 at 2:42 AM

    Sticks removed. :) let the celebration commence.

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  112. lordbradiiiJanuary 25, 2013 at 2:44 AM

    Agree completely. I may have chuckled at the very end, but dude...I can't really think of a more useless way to involve an old character, and a ridiculous storyline. This seriously had me yawning. Can we get back to Supernatural now?

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  113. Debbie CombsJanuary 25, 2013 at 4:01 AM

    To a Dean fan, that isn't hate... it is just calling it like it is.

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  114. Debbie CombsJanuary 25, 2013 at 4:28 AM

    I agree with you about issues being swept under the rug in season 6 and 7. I hated the magical fixes that made HUGE problems just disappear. But, at least the characterization of the brothers in season 6 and 7 felt like my Sam and Dean. These characters are practically unrecognizable although this last episode did feel more like previous seasons.

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  115. Lilith HellfireJanuary 25, 2013 at 5:30 AM

    Actually we do have a good idea of what day it was, January 23, was the night the guy got drawn and quartered so let's extrapolate, shall we?

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  116. CyanaTJanuary 25, 2013 at 5:40 AM

    I have read that Monster Movie was supposed to *4.03* - where it made sense to be positioned right after Laz Rising and AYTGIMDW - where Cas tells them (Dean, who presumably tells Sam) about Lilith breaking seals ... and letting Lucifer "out". But Monster Movie ended as 4.05 - where I agree it made no sense after ITB and Meta; Sam (in MM) even mentions early in the episode that the "world is going to end" and Dean says something like "we can't do anything about it now but what can do is chop some vamps head off" because they were drawn to the case by an apparent "vamp attack". I don't know why the episode was changed in this case

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  117. DngnRdrJanuary 25, 2013 at 8:53 AM

    Continuity fix: fairy was summoned to the 'real' world and bound by spell from the spell book so normal rules don't necessarily apply. Once the binding spell was broken she was free to return (after saying goodbye and taking watsisname with her). :-)


    Btw Felicia Day said in a streamed chat on youtube following the episodes that she found kissing a girl was "just like kissing a guy only softer and less stubble". LOL!

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  118. DngnRdrJanuary 25, 2013 at 8:57 AM

    I mentioned this above when someone else said something similar but she was summoned and bound by spells from the book so maybe the rules were different. Or she had to be seen in order for her to be the 'kidnapper' that Charlie would be rescued from.

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  119. isleofskyeJanuary 25, 2013 at 8:59 AM

    True.

    The show does tend to mix their positve and negative episodes, emotionally speaking, although one could argue that Heart for all it's powerful sentiments as far as Sam/Madison was concerned, was ultimately the result of knowing Madison for only a couple of days at most.

    Sam had been attracted to her but IMO he hadn't yet formed more than a superficial bond with her due to the lack of time.
    So in a way I can see Hollywood Babylon as a means of distracting Sam from that moment, which was also a sad one for Dean who participated in his brother's pain in having to kill Madison.
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    This time however Sam had supposedly been living with Amelia for months setting up house together and we are told that he was so happy with her that she had 'saved' him, so seeing Sam relatively carefree in the Larp episode was more confusing, but as I said above as long as the brothers are good with each other, I'm happy.
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    Anyway for me this is an AU season.

    It might be canon for Carver but I'm still at the end of season seven waiting to know why Sam didn't try to look for Dean, something that I see as the biggest defect of this current season.

    Sam would have looked!!
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    Let's say that Dean died in the explosion instead of going to Purgatory and his body had remained in the laboratory at Sam's feet.
    Here Sam would have had three choices.
    a) Sell his soul to get him back, something that he would not do because the brothers HAD said that they were never again going to put themselves in the hands of demons etc. I believe in the Gordon ep. Fresh Blood.
    b) Put a gun to his head and folllow his brother into the after-life

    c) go and llive the rest of his life as he preferred, knowing that 's what Dean would have wanted him to do.
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    But Dean didn't die, he disappeared and Sam WOULD have looked for him. There is no doubt at all in my mind about that, so for me until Carver gives me a logical reason for Sam not doing so, this season is not canon to me.
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    Then let's say he didn't look at the beginning because he was so upset by Dean's disappearance; he seemed alright when he was with Amelia. He could have tried then. Wasn't he in the least bit curious to know Dean's fate after all the years they had spent together and all the damgers they had gone through?

    The true Sam would have searched for Dean, period.
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    Then if we go with Carver and believe that Sam didn't search, that he was happy with Amelia, why go back with Dean? Why care if his brother gets hurt or killed? Why care about Benny or all the rest?

    In the first episode Sam seemed disappointed to see his brother alive, even huffing at him. That is just rubbish. The true Sam would have been over the moon to have Dean back alive.
    Sorry to be repetitive but Sam not even lifting a finger to look for Dean is not on! So Carver had better come up with a good reason, even in extremis!

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  120. DngnRdrJanuary 25, 2013 at 9:02 AM

    Rather than wanting Sam to break up with Amelia, I think Dean really wanted him to make the choice one way or the other and not sit on the fence - which was distracting him and bound to get him killed..

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  121. ScottAJanuary 25, 2013 at 1:30 PM

    Yippee!! Now have to get ready for some "powerful" episodes. Can't wait for the "tablet test" episode and the darkness they let upon us then. Looking at the reaction today from poor Sam getting cursed with another thinking part and having to wear normal clothes you would think half the fan base was leaving.


    I only get that pissed at the Bears and White Sox. But they're ball teams.

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  122. rehabberJanuary 25, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    With this show, I use the term "fan" very loosely, what fan says they are not going to watch an ep? I may never watch some of them again (Bitten, Ghostfacers), but I always watch once. I may complain about what is happening to a character, not being like they have been for 7 years, but even when I really don't like what is happening, I have not given up hope that things will work out. If I disliked a show as much as some of SPN "fans" I stop watching. Not worth an ulcer. lol

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  123. ScottAJanuary 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM

    Oh yeah. I'm just floored by the negative energy expended on something people are supposed to like. I may be wrong but guessing that the main core of fans are in the 20-35 age range makes me wonder even more. When I was that age I saw a TV on the weekend if there was a good game on. I would just think that there is enough to do out there for people who dislike it that much.



    And I agree with you totally. I hated the previous episode and don't much care for these types of shows. I was pleasantly surprised and liked it.

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  124. isleofskyeJanuary 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM

    Agreed.
    I hope that there is some reason. Perhaps Naomi did something to keep Sam from looking. I hate the way he is being mad to lok so petty for not having done so.

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  125. sharonallyJanuary 25, 2013 at 5:54 PM

    True the Amelia sl was not the most enterprising one or one that grabbed people so this great sacrifice some think was anviled actually wasnt . However Dean was wrong and that did have to be pointed out , he knew what he was doing and he knew what he wanted.and he got it and frankly Sam is actually the one that has lost out here not uber hunter Dean who wanted his brother by his side and is content to hunt. Sam isnt that person and never will be because he isnt Dean or a extension of his brother.

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  126. DahneJanuary 25, 2013 at 10:43 PM

    They both lost out. They both were wrong. They both made bad decisions that hurt the other. And Sam was that person for at least a couple of seasons.

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  127. JessieJanuary 25, 2013 at 10:56 PM

    Did you read on this very board how Sam was being a big meanie and not letting Dean participate in the LARPing even though it was Dean's birthday and he really really wanted to. Dean didn't need Sam to let Dean participate or to agree to participate. Dean can make his own decision.

    Sam and Dean both make their own decisions. Enough of blaming the other.

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  128. DahneJanuary 25, 2013 at 10:57 PM

    I was Supernatural's biggest cheerleader last year. This year I am mostly negative because they have demolished the characters and relationship that is SPN to me. No matter how negative I am, I always have hope. Still I won't cheerlead if I don't see anything to cheerlead for. I am excited to finally be able to talk about SPN in a positive manner this season with this episode. I'm not excited about the next one but I hold out hope that I will be pleasantly surprised. I have been before. That said, I have devoted 7.5 years of my life to this show so I'm not leaving after a particularly sucky half season. I didn't leave after season 4 and I can ride this out too. My general philosophy after getting screwed over for my devotion to the X-Files and Buffy is that a show I've loved deserves 2 years before I give it up. If Supernatural continues its downward spiral, I will be out at the end of season 9. Until then, I will give my honest feedback on how I feel it is going.

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  129. DesizinniaJanuary 25, 2013 at 11:38 PM

    For me it was a great episode. I really like Charlie and her dynamic with the boys, especially with Dean, since they kinda like the same things. It was fun seeing Sam with a ponytail and Dean with a wig, that was hilarious xD But, and yes, there is a but, I did have a little problem with the episode. It is precisely the fact that it came after a heavy episode what brings a little dissapointment for me. Because after what happened with Castiel, at least a mention of him, a little line from Dean or Sam on how worried they are about his friend, especially in the condition they saw him the previous episode, would have made the episode complete for me. I would have liked them to at least mention him, that is all. Just one line. Misha didn't have to be in the episode for Castiel to be mentioned. Other than that, everything else was great. I loved the parallels between Charlie/Gilda and Dean/Castiel. Everyone could see that and it made a pretty story too. :) I hope we see more of Charlie in the future!! And if Gilda can be back with her that would be awesome too. <3

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  130. Last UnicornJanuary 27, 2013 at 5:06 PM

    I didn't watch the episode, and I won't vote, I read peoples comments and it turns me more off than the other way around. I read that Dean got a bonding scene with Charlie, I read that Sam did the research, and I read that Dean's talk with Charlie is partly about Sam's loss, since the show didn't do a good job regarding Sam's side of the coin, showing us what exactly he lost (and this is twice, Sam's loss of Dean, and Sam's loss of Amelia), I assume I would cringe when they now focussing on Sam's loss suddenly when they before didn't show what exactly he lost! And they did not show us Sam's reaction immediately after the implosion in the lab I am still like some others here in the end of S7 in my mind waiting for the long needed Sam POV and not in a few words from others or from Sam himself (like "I ran, my world imploded, I lost my brother-Dean, You saved me) this is the worst and the most horrible thing that ever happened to Sam as a character. Even Dean's time with Lisa was told better and more real, I thought Amelia is not real and it is all in Sam's head, I don't see the love of his life in Amelia (and she appeared in real time in episode 9-10 the first time!! ....and I just want to yell at the writers, Carver, Singer that they screwed up the base/core with this kind of telling a story! The highlight of the failure of this season is that Sam didn't look .....I might start watching regulary again if JC gives us finally the long waited flashback of Sam in the end of 7.23, and I do hope it is not an afterthought because of fans reactions, I hope its part of his mytharc from the start. But my hope is like 3%

    I appreciate Erik Kripke SO much more now, he gave us those brothers and their connection and relationship (he took care of them and paid attention) that's why I am still invested in the characters, (and Jared and Jensen of course, they have the real chemistry now not Sam and Dean anymore, just look at those 2) and Sera Gamble ramped up for me too with S6 in retrospective, not with S7. Only a few episodes of S7 are in my list of good episodes!

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  131. sharonallyJanuary 28, 2013 at 7:09 AM

    Nothing was distracting Sam , he was fine he wasnt off with the fairies when hunting , he was hunting fine. He wasnt sitting on the fence he had honestly told Dean that he was leaving hunting when the Gates were closed. He wasnt distracted until Dean coldly and cleverly went out of his way to get Sam believe something had happened to Amelia.


    Sam said it all at the begining of episode 10. I like Dean but there is another side to him that has been emerging for while now than the big brother Dean that we first met in the first two seasons.

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  132. rehabberJanuary 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

    I agree, Dean told Sam to go be with his girl, but just as she had told Sam, make a choice. Both feed in or out, anything else will get you killed.

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  133. tvmonkeyJanuary 28, 2013 at 4:27 PM

    for someone so supposedly distracted he sure did make a good hunter.

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  134. tvmonkeyJanuary 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

    Sam was all in untill the hell gates were closed right up till the text message happened. He wasnt distracted by Amelia because he and Amelia were over.

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  135. isleofskyeJanuary 28, 2013 at 4:57 PM

    For me the the first ten episodes are a complete failure but as I know you like Castiel, I can see your point of view.

    As I don't watch for Castiel, I find the episodes illogical and pointless.
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    I love watching the brothers on-screen but if I get the urge to watch an episode, I would never choose one from season eight.

    To me it's painful to see Sam and Dean acting as they have, throwing accusations at each other, especially about stuff that has already been addressed more than once in past seasons.

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  136. DahneJanuary 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

    I disagree to some extent. He was spaced out and other people had to keep trying to get his attention more than once this season. All the random times he was off in the flash back dreams were definitely him being distracted, especially since the most mundane things set him off I am still hoping those were times that Naomi had him under her spell and the flash backs were just her cover. Otherwise they were pretty pointless in the big scheme of things.

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  137. Charlene BuchananJanuary 31, 2013 at 1:45 AM

    I we just have to agree to disagree lol .Though we do have one thing in comme spn haha :P xx

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  138. JessieApril 8, 2014 at 4:13 AM

    There's been a long -standing pattern, so yes, it's a valid assumption.

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  139. chris684April 8, 2014 at 4:13 AM

    I base what? That the next episode won't be Sam heavy because he's barely featured in the promo? If it looks like a duck ...

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  140. ZoeFApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    Hey I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me! Continuity errors bug me so I'm very happy to put that one to rest.

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  141. tvmonkeyApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    In all fairness Sam doesnt really like alot of the things Dean likes about thier life, he doesnt see it as fun and he rarely has fun because to him understndably its all beendoom and gloom and dark destiny and pain. Where Sam really excels is in the research and the theorising and the empathising. In this episode he basically got involved for Dean, he let Dean have fun and joined in a little to make his brother happy. A very Sam thing to do. Plus this needed to be the episode where Dean pulled his head out of his ass and stopped being a dick. His talks with Charlie were very much needed. Its doubtful Sam will get to talk about his feelings with anyone but at least he seems to be ready to get back in the game and put Amelia behind him. He seems like he's moving on slowly but surely. He never really lingers on his hurts, angst, pain, anger very long. By next week he'll be back to normal, not saying much or doing much other than research. Its better than nothing.

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  142. tvmonkeyApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    Episode 13 SPOILERS-
    Kevin has a tablet break through which leads to 1 of the brothers having to complete 3 tasks, Sam and Dean argue over which one of them it should be.
    I'm not even going to bother arguing/theorising over which brother it will be, its going to be Dean.

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  143. isleofskyeApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    No .

    The guest stars have been given lead actor status in their various episodes, Dean has now been demoted to first guest star and Sam to secondary guest star.

    They are no longer the two leads in the show and there is no balance between the brothers any more.

    In the first three seasons the brothers had equal importance in the show, then from season four onwards they started to be separated and teamed up with others, Ruby, Castiel etc.

    Season six brought them back together more or less cos Ruby had gone and Castiel was off plotting with Crowley.

    In season seven it was a mix, sometimes together and at times apart but this current season has pushed both brothers into the back-ground albeit to different extents and given them much less screen time, especially Sam.

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    One slapstick episode cannot be considered a panacea for this terrible season.

    What happened to the intelligent heart-warming horror show with the brothers as a team?

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    How come NCIS still rakes in milions of viewers for example?.

    I believe the characters there are a team who all get on great with each other and have each other's backs.

    Why don't their writers take a leaf out of Carver's book and go for a little character hating:- Jethro hating on Abby would be a thrilling experience or maybe Ziva punching up Ducky. Why keep them as a team?.That's soo boring after eleven or tweleve seasons! !

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    Why has SPN had the misfortune to get someone like Carver to ruin a show which still had beloved characters and so much potential to be interesting, yet has fallen to Days Of Our Life standards!

    In season six and seven Sera Gamble got criticised for every little thing and yet Carver gets nothing but people gushing over him despite the OOC potrayal of Sam and Dean, the bad writing, the disregard of continuity, lack of on- screen brothers, boring Amelia story and pointless Benny/purgatory arc.
    Talk about two weights and two measures!

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  144. rehabberApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    I think the school play Sam was in was Our Town, but it was just a short ref to it. I just remember thinking that was a play that was done a lot in schools.

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  145. IJustHadToApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    The AWESOMENESS of this episode cannot even be described by words!

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  146. DahneApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    I for one am relieved that there wasn't more moping. There was enough blame casting in this one for me and I am grateful it was only in a few segments. I needed a fun break and this fit. Quite frankly this is my favorite episode of the season although it wouldn't be above a middle high for me if it were in last season.


    It does feel like there is a campaign to push votes, especially since we usually get around 450 for the whole thing and this has more than 500 in less than one day. Not that we haven't gotten over 500 before. The premiere currently has over 800 but the poll never closes so who knows how many were during the first few days.

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  147. CPApril 8, 2014 at 4:14 AM

    Guess more people felt like voting. There are new guests on Spoiler TV lately.

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  148. isleofskyeApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    I don't want make a mistake here but I seem to remember that at the end of Metamorphosis Sam told Dean that he had made a choice, based I suppose on all that had happened with the Jack the rougarou, that although he had demon blood coursing through his veins he wasn't going to use his power any more, so things were sort of okay as the episode ended.
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    Here however they have been throwing accusations at each other for ten episodes, really hurtful things which they hadn't really resolved, and it just seemed off to see them so light-hearted from the first second.

    Not that I'm complaining, I love it when they're happy with each other but the timing just seemed wrong.

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  149. DahneApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    It seems like the majority of people agreed with you since it got a pretty positive response. I thought it was fun too.

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  150. rehabberApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    POI has not been around for 8 years either, but it is one of my favorite series.

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  151. cns3eApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    Yet, compared to Sam, Dean is awesome! especially in this episode.

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  152. sharonallyApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    Be careful of that pedestal some of you have Dean on , its going at the knees.

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  153. JessieApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    Because there is very very rarely ever any balance.

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  154. fazziemodoApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    But the thing is we need a scene where he talks about his feelings and gets told he is an ass too. If not for him then for us to bring is back to accepting him

    This whole he's getting better he played a game for Dean isn't making me feel much for Sam when the text is yet again brought up with no balance on Sam's side regard to his actions. Five minutes of face paint and listening to a braveheart speech doesn't feel like he has got what his role is in how bad things gotten between him and his brother because right now he is coming off so self absorbed it hurts because text or not people died in Fang and he hasn't asked for the details

    If we don't get that and instead we get him just getting into geek mode or a sweeping gesture to make things right I will give up because all we will get is us waiting for the proverbial hitting the fan yet again.

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  155. kerindaApril 8, 2014 at 4:15 AM

    I did not even think charlie said it was dean's fault I got to see the ep again I think when he told her about the text that he sent to sam she said it was a dick move on his part for doing but I got to see the ep again to see the whole part but I happy she kind of told him off. Its good to have a outsider to say something about it.

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  156. isleofskyeApril 8, 2014 at 4:16 AM

    NCIS is an exception true, but I believe that the loyal heartwarming relationships between the characters are one of the reasons that keep people watching.

    I enjoy POI too and the bond between such different characters as the two leads is very interesting.
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    That's why I'm so annoyed with this cheap brother drama.

    The show could be much more. It has two great charismatic leads. GIve them something meatier to do.
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    I get what you mean about the show non taking itself seriously and I agree100%.
    I wish it would stop all this slapstick humour al là Ben Edlund and go back to its dramatic roots, interspacing that with the little moments of brotherly dry humour that it used to have.
    Maybe that way it could recuperate those viewers who have fallen by the wayside since earlier seasons. I believe that once it got a couple of milion more viewers than it does now.

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  157. rehabberApril 8, 2014 at 4:16 AM

    I am with you on this..SAM WOULD HAVE LOOKED, no ifs, ands, or buts about it, he always looked. I don't buy this "I ran", "hit a dog" and "met a girl" stuff at all. As much as I have loved some of the eps, if Carver does not come up with a GOOD reason that Sam did not look, this season is lost to me.

    Dean went to hell for Sam and even when Sam was in Lucifer's cage, Dean was getting books and trying to find a way to get him out. That is what they do.



    This is not the Sam I have loved for the past 7 years, I don't even know this guy and in some of the eps, I don't want to know this guy. So I am trying to keep a trust in Carver that this season is about perception and he is going to work it out. PLEASE WORK IT OUT!!!!

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  158. CPApril 8, 2014 at 5:31 AM

    We need more balance. It's either really gloomy or it's really silly. Where's the in between? The show used to have that. :I

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