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7 Jan 2013

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126 comments:

  1. Nerwen Aldarion7 January 2013 at 02:03

    Pretty good, so happy Archie isn't really dead.

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  2. klutzy_girl7 January 2013 at 02:04

    I loved it! So glad Archie's still alive, but I wonder who Cora really killed.


    Pongo is so cute. I hope someone takes care of him while Cora and Hook have Archie.


    Loved all the Charming family moments. Laughed so hard I started choking when Emma and Henry walked in on Snow and Charming.


    So happy this show is back!

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  3. Nadejda7 January 2013 at 02:06

    Such an adorable episode!!! Regina is innocent. Cora is bitch!!!!!

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  4. laura33417 January 2013 at 02:14

    Loved all the Regina's scenes she is something else!



    I'm glad Archie is still alive,i didn't think they would kill him off, And can the Charming's get any sweete? Yikes i'm going to lose it if i here goodness wins out one more time...

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  5. Lissie_Bee7 January 2013 at 02:29

    I've got to say, I let out a huge sigh of relief when I saw Archie tied up on Hook's ship... I was afraid for a while that Cora really killed him! I wonder who it was, though... and I definitely feel for Regina this week. Not in her flashback so much, but being blamed for something as huge as a murder she didn't commit? Effing Cora.

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  6. Aydrian7 January 2013 at 02:34

    That shocked look on Emma's face when when she walked in on her parents: Priceless! Picture provided below. What was that lame excuse they came up with? XD Personally, I've never walked in on my parents doing...that. I'm happy not to be a part of that club. ;) Why did Henry look so amused?

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  7. InvestedInYourFuture7 January 2013 at 02:45

    Well...that was one hell of a boring OUAT episode...

    On the plus sides, EVERY Scene with Regina and most of FTL-flashbacks were pure win, but everything else(most of Storybrooke plot) was just dragged out mess.



    Half the character actions made no sense(Emma flip-flopping between being Regina stan and vilifying her, for example). Now I can't wait them to be proven wrong and for Regina to save the day somehow. Of course knowing this, Cora will now manipulate Regina into working with her...*sigh*

    Not to mention it was HORRIBLY SLOW - seriously, the whole episode could have fit in the half of its time.

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  8. Aydrian7 January 2013 at 02:51

    You have zero sense of character and story development don't you? It's like skipping chapters in a book because you don't care about the smaller stuff building up to the bigger stuff.


    It's like no one has any patience here anymore. People have been going off on Lost Girl as well.

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  9. InvestedInYourFuture7 January 2013 at 02:55

    There's character development and then there's meaningful character development.

    I am not saying that the story could have been shortened - I am saying that the time in between could have been spent BETTER - showcase Regina's reaction to Archie's death, showcase MORE of Emma's actual doubts and conflict

    The idea of episode is good, its just that the inter-parts were not planned well, resulting in murky character reasoning and a lot of scenes falling flat on their faces.

    The way they handled it was basically - Emma stands around for half the episode, says she believes in Regina, goes to Gold and then goes to grab some pitchforks to hunt Regina.

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  10. Aydrian7 January 2013 at 03:04

    They only have so many episodes to do all of this. As for Emma, let's not forget that she's feeling the pressure from everyone else in her life. How long could you keep up your reasoning that someone is good when all signs point to them being bad, and EVERYONE in your life is telling you they're bad.

    Remember, you as the viewer get to see things that Emma and the rest don't. As the viewer, you know more about what Regina is going through than they do. It's baffling how many people forget that our opinions on how certain things should be proceeding is based off things we know about, but they don't.

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  11. klutzy_girl7 January 2013 at 03:04

    Emma flipped flopped because there was actual evidence showing Regina killed Archie. She couldn't have known Cora was magically posing as her daughter. The flip flop makes perfect season.

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  12. InvestedInYourFuture7 January 2013 at 03:07

    It makes sense logically, but we were not shown how Emma goes through from one to the other. That's the problem.



    As I said before - episode idea is great, the execution on those important moments just fall flat.

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  13. David Fischer7 January 2013 at 03:08

    Somewhere along the way Regina became the most likable character, along with Archie.


    Now if only the Charming family could manage to go an episode with being insufferable.

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  14. Aydrian7 January 2013 at 03:12

    Seriously, you guys really need to reconsider the whole voting feature on this website. Any idiot can click a mouse button, it takes someone with brains to formulate an actual response.

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  15. lsbloom7 January 2013 at 03:13

    I don't usually agree with InvestedInYourFuture :), but while the flip flopping had some basis in evidence, the vehemence and degree felt pretty abrupt and extreme to me. But Emma has always jumped too fast for me--partly I think because of the blank look on her face when she's being "serious." It is so vacuous that I find it hard to buy she's coming to a reasoned decision.

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  16. JoshuaAndre217 January 2013 at 03:24

    I think the person who Cora really killed who was made to look like Archie was the guy who Cora turned into a fish earlier in the episode...

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  17. klutzy_girl7 January 2013 at 03:24

    Oh, that is a good possibility. Didn't even think of that.

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  18. Folie-lex7 January 2013 at 03:37

    If you meant "without being insufferable" I will totally agree with you.

    I dislike the Charmings and Emma and Henry so much!
    The righteous holier than thou attitudes, the hypocrisy and the ungratefulness... UGH! Get off your high horses people...

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  19. chris6847 January 2013 at 03:47

    It's a not a huge shock that Regina was apparently put back on the path of being a villain, but I wish it wasn't done through deception. It's so much more interesting when characters take the dark path because of some weakness or flaw within themselves, or even if it's an understandable emotional reaction to something. This seems like a cheat.

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  20. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 03:58

    Really? why are they on their high horses? Because they see Regina for what and who she really is? Would you be so trusting of someone that went so far out of their way to make your life miserable? No, I don't think that you would. The Charmings have done nothing wrong. Neither has Emma, or Henry for that matter.



    Regina made her bed a LONG time ago, when she chose to do everything in her power to enact revenge on someone for something that they did when they were a child. That goes to show you the type of person that Regina truly is.



    Snow was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt back then, and Emma was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt now. Now, in this instance Regina didn't do it, HOWEVER, the way that she reacted when Emma explained the evidence (that seemed pretty incriminating at the time) to her, and how she would have to tell Henry, showed Regina's true side.



    Perhaps you should take another look at the episodes, before you start criticizing characters that are just trying to keep themselves alive. Regina's proved she's willing to kill any member of the Charming family before, the only thing stopping her now is Henry. I wouldn't be trusting of her either, if I was them.

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  21. Courts7 January 2013 at 03:59

    PRobably because Emma is referring to someone else's child as her own. Plus the fact that she referred to Archie as "someone [Henry] loves" and his own mother as "someone he cares about'.

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  22. James Swift7 January 2013 at 04:02

    I can relate to Snow. I also can relate to Emma a bit although I'm not sure what kind of reaction she was expecting when she played on Regina's biggest fear and told her that a) Henry supposedly isn't Regina's son and b) she was going to take him away from her (again). I think she knew exactly what she was doing there. She had already made up her mind about Regina being guilty, she wanted to lock her up and she pushed the buttons he knew she had to push to get Regina to react the way she wanted her to. Still, the only character I find completely insufferable is Charming. He's so arrogant and really loves to parade around on his high horse on both worlds.

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  23. Courts7 January 2013 at 04:03

    Isn't that the ENTIRE point of Regina's character path through the FTL flashbacks in Seasons 1 and 2?

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  24. Danielle Thomas7 January 2013 at 04:12

    It was a good episode, loved when Hook and Cora arrived. I love the David and Mary Margret scene when Henry and Emma walked in on them. Also I knew Regina did not kill Archie. Although I have to say that Cora was good in making it look real. Now I am just wondering who she really killed since Archie is alive. Also I am excited to see the town's reaction when they find out it was Cora and NOT Regina who did it. I honestly can see in future episodes where Regina teams up with Cora to teach everyone a lesson for not trusting that she could change. I am so ready for next weeks episode.

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  25. Lysh7 January 2013 at 04:16

    Felt a bit cheated that Archie didn't really die, but someone did die and we may not even find out who it was. I'm glad Archie is alive though! It was just a whole big plan to make Regina break. I'm having a hard time believing it was someone else when they showed us it was Archie. Who else has magic to change themselves like that?
    I don't know. Hopefully we learn more about that in the podcast and in the coming weeks. Otherwise, it was really enjoyable. I'm happy it's back!

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  26. inhighheels7 January 2013 at 04:19

    Since I watch OUaT mostly for Regina's sake, I liked the episode in a very bittersweet kinda way. All her scenes were great because Lana.
    Cora is unbelievable, it's creepy to see how much she believes she's doing the best for her daughter.
    And, as I say more often than not, can we please have Regina and Rumple scenes ALL the time?

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  27. Lysh7 January 2013 at 04:21

    That was one of the best parts of the entire episode! So hilariously awkward.

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  28. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 04:23

    Really? Technically Emma is Henry's mother. We have absolutely no proof whatsoever that Regina's adoption of Henry was legal. Gold was the one that orchestrated it, and his loyalties always prove to be not on Regina's side. He's used her since day one, and I think we can all agree he chose Henry as her child because he knew it was Emma's kid, and that it would help get her to Storybrooke to break the curse. So, until I have proof otherwise, Henry is Emma's. Not to mention the fact that Emma had no choice in whether or not she could keep her own child. Had she not willingly "given him his best shot" he would have been taken from her and put into foster care, so Emma did the only thing she could to protect him from the childhood she had growing up by giving him up for adoption, which may or may not be legal.

    Archie is someone that Henry loves. Henry loves Archie, because Archie has always been there for him, and Henry does care about Regina but I think that he finds it hard to love her, even though I think that he does because of how she's treated him. She made him feel like he was crazy for god only knows how long before he went looking for Emma. Again, I point out that Regina has caused her own pain and suffering in an attempt to cause other's pain and suffering. She made her own bed when she cast that curse, and now she has to lie in it.


    It is extremely difficult to agrue Regina's good points, because she has so very few. In fact, sitting here, I can't think of one. If there is anything that I am sick of hearing about, or that drives me crazy is her incessant need to keep blaming every single problem she has on The Charmings. The only thing that they did to her, was Snow, and she was a child from crying out loud. That is it. So what, they can't be happy because Regina has a sociopathic mother? That is not The Charmings fault in the least bit.



    I don't blame Emma one tiny little bit for wanting to keep Henry from Regina. She in some cases is just as bad as Cora. She's a murderer, among many other things. She is almost completely incapable of love, except for with Henry, and I do firmly believe that in the end she will chose power over him as well. She's exactly like Rumple in the fact that her power means more to her than anything else. We all saw what she was willing to do, and did, to her father to help enact her revenge. Who's to say she wouldn't try something like that with Henry?

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  29. chris6847 January 2013 at 04:28

    No, I don't see that. Her mother murdered her boyfriend and she chose revenge and to close herself off. There was no deception there. She knew what had happened and what she was doing.

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  30. James Swift7 January 2013 at 04:33

    Rumple did not know that Henry was Emma's child. According to the writers he didn't keep his memories and therefore had no idea about there being a curse and saviour until Emma arrived in Storybrooke.

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  31. Courts7 January 2013 at 04:54

    Huh? You said you think it's more interesting that characters take a dark path because of flaws or weaknesses in themselves. That's Regina's entire FTL storyline and you're saying you don't see it?

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  32. Courts7 January 2013 at 04:55

    It was a "nobody" who died. Just a random person who was probably just a common villager in fairytale land.

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  33. Courts7 January 2013 at 04:56

    No. You give a child up for adoption, that's it. It's not your child anymore. End of.

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  34. phnxgrl7 January 2013 at 05:08

    I loved this episode. I am wondering when Emma will think of Cora?

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  35. phnxgrl7 January 2013 at 05:09

    She could have fashioned a fish to become the substitute Archie. There is no limit what Magic could do.

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  36. Folie-lex7 January 2013 at 05:13

    I do watch the show and I don't appreciate my take on the Charming being dismisses like this. I've had issues with these four since early S1 and things have only gotten worse with time.

    My problem with Charming and Snow is not about what they think of Regina specifically but it's about their attitudes as a whole... I find their niceness utterly non-genuine and steeps from an inherent belief that they are both superior and better thus making them self-righteous to a disgusting fault. To me they are like this not only with Regina but with EVERYONE, and that is why I don't like them.

    For Emma and Henry yes, how they treat Regina is a huge problem for me. Henry is ungrateful towards a woman who despite what she might have done WAS a carring loving mother to him. He can not like the fact that Regina is the Evil Queen all he wants, but I despise the fact that he so quickly brushes off all the parental care she has shown him. And he does all the flimsy "she's my mom" this season doesn't change the fact that he treats her like crap when TO HIM she has done nothing to warrant such a behaviour.
    As for Emma who abandoned Henry and is completely dismissive of the woman who took VERY good care of the son she left I have no words.

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  37. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 05:24

    Not entirely true. Research adoption law. The original birth parents can, and have taken back their children numerous times before. She gave him up for adoption but she never relinished parental rights to him. Trust me, I've sat through speeches about adoption law, and I completely disagree with most of it, because a child can be taken from a stable home in a lot of situations.

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  38. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 05:31

    I wasn't dismissing your opinion, I was simply pointing out that if you were talking about how they treat Regina, then it is completely ridiculous to be angry with people who are only trying to protect themselves. While I don't particularly agree with your opinion, it is your opinion and you are entitled to think or believe whatever you would like.



    As far as Emma and Henry go, your facts are a little screwy. Such as, from what we've been shown, Regina was not that great of a mom, and showed him next to no parental love. She was constantly yelling at him, always making him feel bad about himself or crazy for believing in something that was real and true. There is nothing loving about what I describe, and I won't be convinced otherwise as far as Regina's parenting skills until I'm shown otherwise. There has been no proof that Regina has ever been loving toward Henry.



    Emma did not abandon Henry, she gave him up for adoption. VERY different. Emma was "technically" abandoned...Graham was abandoned...August was abandoned, Henry was given to what Emma assumed to be a fit, and loving home. As far as the "very good care" of portion, I point to my above paragraph. Emma saw exactly what I said. She saw a woman that paid so little attention to Henry that he was able to runaway from home and make it to Boston, and drag Emma to Storybrooke. On top of that, while Emma was still there, Henry was able to run away again. He was constantly skipping school, and many other things. There was no evidence that Emma could see that would remotely prove that Regina cared for Henry much at all. Not to mention Regina used Henry as a pawn in her war against Emma. MANY MANY times.

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  39. Joanne7 January 2013 at 05:32

    me too, such a relief when Archie is not dead... Cause he can come out and prove Regina is innocent!!!

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  40. Joanne7 January 2013 at 05:35

    The Charmings piss me off. Need more Regina (like 10000000% more scenes) and Rumple.

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  41. Folie-lex7 January 2013 at 05:51

    Regarding the Henry/Regina portion I will copy paste a wonderful response written by Mal a few days ago on the Colin O'Donoghue interview.

    "Oh? And we know that how? Only based on Henry's words. And perhaps MM opinion but then again she wouldn't know for sure, only from what Henry would've told her. If Regina was really such a bitch, would she have raised such a clever, kind boy? He had her as the only parent figure in his life and he turned out just fine so she must've done something right. He's not scared for life or anything. He claims she wanted to make him feel crazy - it's not true, she just didn't want him to believe she was an evil witch, what mother would want that? A lot of parents send their kids to a therapy, does it mean they think their kids are bonkers? Let's not forget he's a 10 year old growing up so he will rebel for its own sake and I'm sure Regina was hoping it was just that age.
    It really looks like Regina has done the hardest part in bringing up the
    kid - dealing with all the problems of a new born child, sleepless
    nights, fevers, nappies, teaching him to speak, walk, understand the
    world and now he's ready for the next, considerably easier stage, Emma is taking over. I'm not saying Regina was a perfect mother because not many people are. But saying Henry had a horrible childhood would also be an understatement. We see how loving she was in the episode when he was to communicate with Aurora, even with the blanket. He is actually spoiled with all the things he has! She has given him a lot of her attention, not always in the right way, but she has!"




    As for Emma yes she may have given up Henry for adoption but she did GIVE HIM UP. And Regina, say what you will about her parenting, I do believe that she did try her best to raise him, while Emma chose not to. I will admit that decision was done with a heavy heart and under good intentions but she did give up the right to him and to come back and claim that right back from a Regina in the manner which she has since S1 is not something that paints her in the best light. That she's actually reached a point where she thinks she's more of a mother to Henry makes it even more disturbing.

    And to be fair Emma has also in a way used Henry. Or more accurately she's used Henry's antipathy of Regina against her which is just as bad and as a mentioned disrespectful to the woman who did raise "her son".

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  42. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 06:12

    But see I'm not going by Henry's words, I'm going by what my eyes have seen. My eyes have seen her be hateful to him, Yell at him, scream at him because he did something she didn't like. That is not very motherly at all. If my mother treated me like that, I wouldn't be quite so fond of her either. Not to mention, every time she attempted to do something evil to Emma, she had to point it out to Henry. "Well, Emma is no good. Graham had to arrest her." Let us not forget the fact that Regina framed an innocent woman for a murder that she not only did not commit, but that wasn't even really a murder. If I was Emma I wouldn't want this woman raising my son either.



    She does make him feel crazy. She even told him "that is enough of that fairytale nonesense." That sounds like she feels like he's crazy to me. If she didn't want him to see her as "The Evil Queen" then perhaps she should have attempted to change her ways before he truly saw her for what she is. Maybe she should have made a better effort to prove she was good. Again, I point out. Every problem Regina has, Regina has created. No one likes her? That's because she hasn't done anything to gain anyone's trust. Henry doesn't want to be around her? Perhaps she should stop threatening his other family.


    To me, the season two stuff doesn't count since that is Regina's attempt at redemption which is an entirely different argument for me. To me, Regina is just a completely unlikable character, which is what she meant to be. That is my opinion on Regina, and I know that it is pretty unpopular opinion.



    As far as Emma giving Henry up, she had NO choice in the matter...oh...wait she did. Her choice was "let him grow up in the system like her" or "give him to a loving, and caring family." Though she chose the latter, she didn't technically receive it, because again I say, that my opinion on Regina's mothering ability stands until I am proven wrong with actual facts that I can see. Emma had no choice because she was in prison, and I do firmly believe had she been given the choice, that she would have kept him. She loves him and cares about him far too much now, to have ever given him up if she had the choice, but since I can't technically prove it, then it's just my opinion.



    I'm not saying that emma is perfect...what I am saying is that between the choice of a sociopathic woman on a hate mission, and someone who 9 times out of 10 generally cares about Henry's feelings, I'm gonna go with the latter. I mean, Emma doesn't like Regina at all...that is proven fact, yet she risked HER life by getting sucked into the portal, to save Regina from the Wraith, or have we all forgotten that part?

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  43. ShatteredOne7 January 2013 at 06:15

    Decent episode, although I felt that Jennifer Morrison's acting this episode was pretty sub par. Hope next week is better. I did feel bad for Regina, damn Cora.


    But the best part of the episode for me was Emilie de Ravin/Belle's smile in Gold's shop. I've found her very pretty since Lost, and she just reminded me why.

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  44. Maggi Marcus7 January 2013 at 06:59

    Where did Emma's ability to tell when someone's lying go? She would know that Regina was telling the truth.


    Ugh.... the only thing that saved the ep was of course Lana, she is brilliant

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  45. Lourdes7 January 2013 at 07:17

    As far as we know Emma never relinish her parental rigths so she is entitled to have her son back. ANd as far as we know Mr. Gold could had has just pay someone to have Henry and give him to Regina. So as long as we don't see legal document, like you it or not, Emma is Henry's mother.

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  46. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:24

    I don't really agree about Emma, she was the one who believe Regina until she saw it with her own eyes. Emma went the extra mile believing Regina, but once she saw her killing Archie, she couldn't keep holding to that.


    The most natural reaction is to keep a murderer away from your son.

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  47. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:25

    Urgh, let's not get into the debate of who's Henry's mother, that's not the issue. Emma was talking out of anger and fear to the woman she had seen kill Archie.

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  48. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:27

    Why so aghast the idea of redemption for Regina? she has tried, really hard, and is Cora who is manipulating everything to push her to the dark side again.


    How else would you expect Regina to react when they are accusing her of a murder she hasn't committed? when everyone is against her?

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  49. Sarah Elizabeth Ann7 January 2013 at 07:39

    I didn't think of it either but that makes PERFECT sense. We never really saw her kick the fish into the water, did we?

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  50. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:39

    The characterization in the episode was beautifully crafted for all characters, and it's the first time I feel that everyone is in the right. Cora did a marvelous framing job here,

    Though it bothers me great deal the comments in the site; too much bias, for both sides, We have comments getting all up in the Charmings snatches, painting them as self righteous pricks, and people denying that Regina has the capability to truly seek redemption. I feel that this people has missed the point of the episode.

    As I said, they are both right. The flashbacks show us how Snow had already broke her camel's back back in FTL and was unwilling to trust anymore in Regina, Emma tried her hardest to be objective to the evidence, and even her gut told her that Regina was innocent, but there was nothing she could do after being confronted by hard evidence (Again, cleverly executed by Cora) asking more of Emma, after watching a murder with her own eyes, is proposterous.

    Regina, on the other hand, has basically given up everything to show she wants to change, but this event; designed to break her and isolate her is impossible to disarm. At the end of the day, she is confronted by everyone, being declared guilty beyond doubt, of a crime she didn't commit. She is threatened to be taken away from Henry, her reason from wanting to change, and she lashes out.

    But Emma is in the right for wanting to keep her son away from a murderer, but Regina is right to feel pissed and hurt that no one believes her and be threatened to lose her child, and Cora is the greates bitch that ever was because this is so deliciously evil.

    This episode was so freaking awesome, and I feel that most commenters miss the dilemma drowned in therr bias, and it gets me mad. Ufff!



    Moving on, it was great to see why Regina came to the plan to shift worlds, it gives sense to all the chain of events neatly.

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  51. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:41

    Both Snow and Charming have won the right to not give a frik about Regina, Emma was the only one who believed her until the evidence was overwhelming. Remember she saw Archie die with HER OWN EYES. If she had believed Regina any further after that, it would be just insanity.

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  52. Lourdes7 January 2013 at 07:46

    Not against the idea or her redemption. In fact, I'd like to think that at the end of the show, they all could be happy and respect each other and give Henry the family he deserves, even if it's a bit disfunctional.

    I just don't understand why some people can't accept that she made some mistakes and that mistakes are going to work against her for awhile. And it's totally normal that all Storybrooke thinks the worst about her rigth now, because every time she makes a step forward to redemm herself, she makes 3 steps back too. You said there's peolpe against the idea of her redemption but, what about the people that are against the Charmings only beacuse they exist?

    Nobody is perfect on this show, everybody has secret. So it's not black or white, there's grey too. As I said time ago, I'm still waiting for the moment Emma has to confront Henry and admit she lied to him about his father.

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  53. Sarah Elizabeth Ann7 January 2013 at 07:46

    She did believe Regina, albeit briefly. Once the evidence started to pile up against Regina, Emma believed that she killed Archie. I'm interested to see what'll happen when Cora reveals herself.

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  54. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:46

    No. No when that child comes looking after you because you are the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming and you are destined to bring down a curse that has befallen an entire town.


    CONTEXT. Seriously, you need context.

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  55. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:49

    Which ultimately doesn't even matters because we are talking of a vastly different context here. Regina is the murderous monarch of a magical kingdom, and Emma is the savior destined to end her curse.


    Normal adoption laws cannot apply to this mindscrew.

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  56. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:54

    The woman that happened to take good care of Henry happens to be a genocidal nutcase (in rehabilitation) and Emma tried, more than she should, to be on the side of a woman -known to be a killer- accused of another murder. A murder that she saw with HER OWN EYES.


    Regina deserves sympathy after the horrible trap her mother set up for her, but that does not mean anyone should lay hate on the Charmings, when they are just acting like sensible humans. This is called bias.

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  57. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 07:58

    Hey, I myself do not get at all the Charmings hate. I see it as an overcompensation of the hate speech some fanatical fans have against Regina.

    I have nothing against the Charmings, so you can't ask me why people hate them. It's insane.

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  58. Lourdes7 January 2013 at 07:59

    Sorry, I wasn't implying you hate the Charmings. I was trying to say that there's the other side too. I guess I didn't explain myself very well. I'm sorry.

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  59. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 08:00

    Didn't Hook kicked him into the water, or was I just hi? Either way, he seems like the most likely candidate.

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  60. magnutude7 January 2013 at 08:00

    Loved the ep. Lana P was outstanding tonight

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  61. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 08:02

    No problem, I got you where referring to the overall atmosphere in these comments. It's scary how many people just plainly hate them, and that is something that I just cannot even fathom! XD

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  62. tjmack19867 January 2013 at 08:33

    I just personally haven't seen Regina do anything that proves she's worthy of redemption. Every time she tries to do something good or right, she ends up doing something bad as well. Like take the whole "helping Snow/Emma come back through the portal" I have people shoving it down my throat that Regina deserves to have their respect because she risked her life to save them, but to be fair in that instance, there would not have been a need for her to do that is Regina wasn't so easily manipulated. Cora manipulated her when she was younger, and Rumple manipulated there after.



    I do feel bad that she is being blamed for a murder she didn't commit, though part of me hopes that she is able to feel for MM/Snow since she practically did the same thing to her. Mary Margaret didn't lash out, she didn't think anyone when she was wrongly accused. Everyone turned their backs on her, except for Emma. Now granted, Mary Margaret had a lot of evidence piled against her, and Emma never stopped believing that she was innocent, but in this situation it's different. They all know that Regina is capable of murder, and I mean she practically saw it happen through Pongo's eyes. That's not really something that you can disprove easily. Cora really did a number on Regina this time.



    I just get tired of all the hate that The Charmings/Emma/Henry get when they haven't really done anything that I can see that deserves it. Maybe they are a little self-righteous, but with everything they've been through, with everything that Regina put them through, I firmly believe that they deserve to be a bit self-righteous. They do everything that they can to help others, and have numerous times put faith in Regina to only have it come back and bite them.

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  63. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 08:41

    But that's the point. You shouldn't lay your frustrations on Regina when some cooky fans start getting nasty with the Charmings -which is so totally unjustifiable- It's not a good stance to take.

    You shouldn't let other fans opinions taint your own perspective of the show, it will make the experiences so much less enjoyable. Take heart in you ability to see things clear and objectively.

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  64. Pauline NICOLAS7 January 2013 at 09:19

    Amazing ep! As always all Regina's scenes were more than perfect! the ones with Snow and Emma were so awesome :)

    I really really love Snow in this episode

    I can't wait to see the moment when everyone realize that Regina is innocent

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  65. Pauline NICOLAS7 January 2013 at 09:20

    Your "rewiew" is the best!

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  66. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 09:23

    Thank you!

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  67. Megan7 January 2013 at 09:47

    What happened to Emma being the 'human lie detector'? I'm not gonna go into my whole rant about this epi. Did I like this episode? Yes and No. Not even gonna vote on this cause I'm too conflicted. All I will say is thank the internet for fanfiction!

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  68. Mal7 January 2013 at 09:54

    then i would think that child was going through a phase and avoid the trouble. The very fact that she stayed in Storybrooke for a bit would be a mistake in a real world. We know that it was the right move BECAUSE of the curse and the Chamirngs blah blah... but it doesn't change the fact that if you give a child for adoption, you should NOT MESS WITH THAT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. This would be a fear of every adoptive parent and normally they wouldn't be able to do anything about it, because it's an emotional sabotage. But because Regina knew that, in the eyes of law, she wouldn't take any consequences AND she could use magic - she had all the means and motifs to do it. Go for it. Henry has been Regina's child for ten years, SHE TOOK CARE OF HIM. If Emma was so keen to get Henry back, she would've opted for a closed adoption. NO EXCUSES.

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  69. Mal7 January 2013 at 09:55

    I can think of one good point of Regina's - she's cool.

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  70. Mal7 January 2013 at 09:57

    no. as long as we don't see a legal document AND A DNA PROOF, like it or not, REGINA is Henry's mother. She's been there for him for 10 years.

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  71. Mal7 January 2013 at 09:58

    and Henry's friend is Ruby, a murderous wolf. You're forgetting some context too, it's not just Regina.

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  72. prpleight7 January 2013 at 10:17

    So glad shows are beginning to return.


    That opening scene when Cora turned that guy into a fish threw me a little. She was so callous. He hadn't done anything except offer to help...he offered no threat...she just turned him into a fish. It's moves like that that, for me at least, separate her from Regina in terms of villainy.


    I was confused as to where the port was. I'm assuming it was in Storybrooke but the Fish Guy seemed so clueless about magic, and her dress, that I wondered if they'd landed elsewhere in Maine. It's a minor thing that I shouldn't get distracted by and could easily have been cleaned up.


    But past that..lots to love. Pongo, Red translating (though...I don't have a dog and I knew Pongo was trying to get them to come check something out. For that matter I knew Pongo was trying to warn Dr. Hopper that that wasn't Regina. :-), really liked Emma believing Regina....I kept thinking...did the writers hear us about Emma coming across as a dunce so much of the time...liked the memory catcher....though I kept wondering what Emma would have seen if she hadn't dropped it.


    Great episode.

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  73. Maret Hosemann7 January 2013 at 11:50

    I really don't blame the Charmings. It's almost impossible to trust Regina after all what she did and after all her chances she elided. Emma was willing to believe in Regina very long but the proofs were too evidently. The whole "Is Emma Henrys mother or not?" discussion is strange. Maybe Emma isn't Henrys mother by law but that doesn't change the fact that she gave birth to him and both of them, Emma and Henry, accept each other as mother and son. A man and a woman can be a couple without marriage certificate too.

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  74. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:51

    The death didn't stick, who would have though that? xD

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  75. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:53

    I completely agree with this, you summed it up quite nicely.

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  76. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:54

    Really? I thought laws were just inconvenient. ;)

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  77. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:55

    Because that doesn't sounds insane in real life! xD

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  78. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:57

    You actually have to register to down vote. :)


    Up voting can be done as a guest though.

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  79. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 11:58

    Watch out they just may be sweeter as candy.

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  80. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 12:00

    Who would've thought!

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  81. McEvoyer7 January 2013 at 12:04

    Absolutely agree with everything you've said!

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  82. McEvoyer7 January 2013 at 12:06

    Technically nobody lied; Emma believed Regina was innocent from the first interrogation. It was only when there was seemingly damning evidence to suggest that Regina was guilty that she doubted and changed her mind. And in fairness, seeing the murder with your own eyes would cause a change of heart, right?

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  83. McEvoyer7 January 2013 at 12:10

    I didn't think it was an overdose, especially when they've hardly shared the screen together for the most part of this season. But they are pretty central to the show as a whole so I'd imagine the writers are going to do everything besides physically connect them at the hip to keep them together for a little while.

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  84. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 12:15

    Perhaps I should clarify, it's their whole holier than thou attitude that just rubs me wrong. They are always right and never wrong. Everyone gets called on his or her own bullshit but them. And because of that it's hard to like them at all.

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  85. Pauline NICOLAS7 January 2013 at 12:23

    I kinda agree with you but more for Charming because I really really love Snow (and Ginny) in this ep. I can't make up my mind about Charming/David... Most of the times I like him but he can be really annoying sometimes

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  86. McEvoyer7 January 2013 at 12:26

    I do agree that Snow and Charming are not painted as the most flawed characters but we did see the more human sides of them as Mary Margaret and David who, at certain times, showed bad judgement and made wrong choices and they did have to deal with the repercussions of those decisions. As for Snow and Charming, I feel like we don't know them as well as their Storybrooke characters so they do come across as a little holier than thou.

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  87. Pauline NICOLAS7 January 2013 at 12:32

    ugh I'm glad someone catch that too! I loved Emma in this ep but that phrase wasn't great....

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  88. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 12:33

    There is also little room to grow, as he is presented as 'perfect'. What can they possibly do to make his character grow?

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  89. Leonie19887 January 2013 at 12:35

    Ok, first I have to say that I really like Regina. I feel for her and she is different than how she was in FTL. But there, Snow gave her more than one chance to redeem herself and she never went with it. And she still hates Snow! I think her first step for redemtion should be talking to Snow and everybody else and apologize for the curse AND all the times she tried to kill Snow AND for killing Snows father, her own husband. And please don't say she felt second best to Snow with him. That's no reason to kill.
    I like Regina, but she had to do more than not use magic to be a better person.


    Now, I loved Snow this episode. She could have blurted out all the bad things Regina did to them to Emma, but she did not.
    Plus, that protection spell was really great. I wonder why Snow and Charming were effected by the curse if they were protected from her magic.

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  90. Pascal2197 January 2013 at 12:36

    I agree! Mary Margaret and David were far more interesting as characters. But now the curse has been lifted and they remember their lives as Snow and Charming, David and Mary Margaret show those same traits again but now in Storybrooke.

    Perhaps it is indeed part of getting to know those characters better, or maybe set up for something bigger?

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  91. Ann-Sophie Beimer7 January 2013 at 12:37

    Regina "only" cast the curse. The magic that created it came from Rumplestiltskin. He just failed to mention this when he sold his little deal to the Charmings. ;)

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  92. laura33417 January 2013 at 12:38

    Good catch,lol..!

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  93. Leonie19887 January 2013 at 12:38

    You are right! Oh man... :)

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  94. ghani7 January 2013 at 12:57

    He will always be her biological son.

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  95. McOnceUponATime7 January 2013 at 12:58

    Yey really liked this episode - feel sorry for Regina though!.

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  96. McEvoyer7 January 2013 at 13:00

    I hoping that they won't just be Snow and Charming in Storybrooke, but an actual amalgamation of the two. So perhaps it is about getting to know and understand them better, and maybe now we'll see them as the not-so-perfect couple who have fights and have to deal with real-life issues and not just those that stem from FTL.

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  97. lsbloom7 January 2013 at 13:44

    Just a note: They were in opposition for most of the flashbacks.

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  98. lsbloom7 January 2013 at 13:50

    "Teach everyone a lesson for not trusting that she could change"


    You get that that is total contradiction right?

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  99. lsbloom7 January 2013 at 13:55

    That's not true at all. Even if the adoption was legal and we all lived in the real world. Regina would have a very very hard time holding onto Henry if the biological mother wanted him back.

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  100. chris6847 January 2013 at 14:09

    I see it in the FTL storyline. I'm saying the in the present storyline (she's being made to look guilty when she wasn't) is where the deception comes in, and when writers do that, it always feels like a cheat. I want to know what the character would do if they followed their natural course.

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  101. DarthLocke47 January 2013 at 14:32

    Nice plot with Archie and showing us something new. Wonder if Cora killed somebody we knew? (hopefully just a throw away character) -I also like turning the Fisherman into a Fish (and wonder if we are getting into animals that were once people possibilities??)

    Nice shout out to Lost: Don't tell me what I can or can't do! and Fringe: Henry calls FTL "Over There"

    Like that the Dream Catcher mythos is expanding and seems to tie into ethereal existences/collective conscience...It gave Emma a nice allusion to Alice and Through the Looking Glass.



    Obviously I feel bad for Regina (and now we are kind of getting a better theme established with the word "broken") Hopefully she will prove her innocents this time!


    And I was sure Henry wasn't going to be on the bus! -But I can't imagine something isn't about to go down.

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  102. DarthLocke47 January 2013 at 14:34

    Yeah Hook saved him!

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  103. Leandro Sebastian7 January 2013 at 16:22

    Too bad they didn't killed Archie off, they totally should have done that! It's like the writers are not sticking to the rules, and that kinda sucks... in that case, they could've done something similar with Sheriff Graham, who was a much better character than the cricket.
    I loved Pongo, though... I hope the writers find a way of including the 101 Dalmatians in the story, I'd love to see that happening :)

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  104. Mohd Taufik Mohammad7 January 2013 at 16:56

    After this episode, I just really want Cora gone... I just began to like Regina, please don't make her evil again....

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  105. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 18:58

    And you are forgetting the context in which Ruby's wolf side doesn't share a conscience with Ruby, until she is able to tame it.

    CONTEXT.

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  106. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 18:58

    Thanks god that OUAT is not real life then!

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  107. MeatyStakes7 January 2013 at 19:05

    Henry was in emotional distress. If he was making it all up, as it was from Emma's PoV, why? was he being abused? was Regina a bad mother? The picture that Henry painted to Emma was of a child with serious psychological issues. What if she had given her son to a psycho?

    Not only as a mother, Emma had the duty as a human being to see this through and find what caused Henry's stories. If he believes her adoptive mother as an evil, murderous witch, that's a MAJOR RED FLAG.

    So yes, if you think that the son you gave in adoption is being abused, you mess with it.

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  108. playdoc7 January 2013 at 19:41

    Man...I felt sooo bad for Regina! I liked how the scenes switched between the past Evil Queen and present Regina, who we see struggling with her morality. She's trying so hard to change, bit it seems like everyone has written her off as a lost cause. Great job by the writers & actress for showing such layers to Regina, especially considering how the character began the series. I look forward to more, and hope that Regina can be accepted (& get more support) as who she's trying to become.

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  109. playdoc7 January 2013 at 19:49

    Good assessment! Agreed.

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  110. Lisa7 January 2013 at 20:37

    Archie is not dead. He is tied up in the hold of Capt. Hook's ship.

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  111. David Fischer7 January 2013 at 20:52

    The blatant hypocrisy in this show annoys me. Regina got bitched out last year for having sex with Graham in her bedroom at night when her son was asleep; Snow and Charming have sex in the middle of the apartment, in the middle of the day, when anyone can see them... and no one bats an eye.


    I know its the writers fault, but things like this don't endear the Charming's to me.

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  112. C P7 January 2013 at 20:58

    Exactly!

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  113. C P7 January 2013 at 21:01

    How does that make sense? Hook kicked him in the water and I can't see Cora changing him back just to make the set up. She doesn't care how much people she kills/gets rid of/changes.

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  114. Symce (Mylene)7 January 2013 at 21:32

    Oh yeah if you compare THIS Regina with the Regina from say episodes 1 / 2 from season 1, there isn't a bigger difference there. Regina is really getting it this season, I'm not saying she had some epic karma coming her way to bite her in the ass, but jesus. Daniel coming back and dying, trying to redeem herself, getting tricked by Gold (again) She did the right thing a few times, and I'd like to think she was making some progress with Archie, and then her mother goes to town (literally)


    Cut her a break for a bit will ya. I do hope they don't make her go 'bad' again, though, she still has a choice even with no one believing her currently.


    Also obvious glaring Plot Error, wouldn't Regina if she had actually killed Archie probably have killed off Pongo too, just in case? And if they can 'read' animal minds, why not try to 'read' Regina's mind? Maybe I'm overthinking things.

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  115. ecrc Rabit7 January 2013 at 22:39

    Well Graham was cursed...so it was like Regina raped him...


    Snow and Charming are married...so what's your problem...

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  116. David Fischer7 January 2013 at 23:08

    That has nothing to do with ANYTHING. No one believed the curse was real back then. As far as anyone knew they were two consenting adults.



    At that point in the series it was presented as: "Regina is having sex in her house? But Henry lives there! What the fuck is wrong with you, Regina?!"


    But apparently Snow and Charming having sex in the middle of the apartment during the day is perfectly fine.

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  117. laura33418 January 2013 at 03:04

    I wonder how long Cora gets to prance around as Regina before they find out it is Cora and not Regina? I can't imagine too many more episodes but with them ya never know.


    Yep,i i caught the 'Over There' :)

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  118. Mohd Taufik Mohammad8 January 2013 at 03:38

    I just don't understand what your problem is... Emma (And I believed only Emma knew) got angry because she thought she had something going on with Graham, and she did say something along with, "You don't have to explain, you're an adult, you can do whatever you want..." Plus, Regina was his boss, and it's inappropriate since sleeping with Regina might have unfair interest...


    But for Mary and David, they love each other... It's just simply different... Or are we watching the different show?

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  119. Mohd Taufik Mohammad8 January 2013 at 03:45

    Um, nobody lied... Neither Regina nor Mr. Gold... And she did trust Regina in the beginning but the evidence was just too overwhelming... Even if she trusts her detector instinct, but she couldn't deny the fact that she SAW the murder...

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  120. Mohd Taufik Mohammad8 January 2013 at 03:47

    My god, why do people constantly complain about this??? It's annoying.


    1) Did Emma do believe that Regina was innocent in the beginning? Yes.
    2) If you were in Emma's place, do you trust your detector instinct, or do you trust your eyes which just saw the murder??

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  121. 1238 January 2013 at 10:46

    This episode was painful...Again Regina with all the suffering, sometimes I think I can't take it any longer - give her a break, please!
    Regarding the Chaming's experience with the Evil Queen in FTL it is understandable, that they don't trust/believe her. But now even Emma "left" her, this is just devastating for Regina. I can only hope, that she will stay strong, when Cora shows up to offer her "alternative ways"!

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  122. omabin8 January 2013 at 16:29

    my heart broke over regina. She really is my favorite character on the show. And lana parilla gave another hell of a performance on this episode, both on present day and, especially, on fairytale land. She was born to play the evil queen. I was very sad for regina though, so unfair...Cora is a bitch

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  123. omabin8 January 2013 at 16:31

    Including the 101 dalmatians... now that would be awesome!

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  124. Pascal2198 January 2013 at 19:49

    Then they shouldn't have represented it that way in the first place! And by 'it' I meant Storybrooke and the world Emma was living in before Henry came get her.

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  125. Pascal2198 January 2013 at 19:53

    That's certainly true, David/Charming even mentions this in a recent Season 2 episode.

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  126. Linlighthouse12 February 2013 at 13:28

    "...Pongo was trying to warn Dr. Hopper that that wasn't Regina." Good catch. Hopper questioned Pongo on the barking when "Regina" walked in.

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