According to The Hollywood Reporter, The CW is developing a Vampire Diaries spinoff series.
Titled The Originals, the potential new CW series would be an offshoot revolving around the Original family led by Klaus (Joseph Morgan), which will be set up in a season four Vampire Diaries episode.
Executive producer Julie Plec, who will write the episode, is shepherding the spinoff, with Leslie Morgenstein and Gina Girolamo as executive producers.
In the Vampire Diaries episode slated to air April 25, Klaus returns to the supernatural melting pot that is the French Quarter of New Orleans, a town he helped build centuries ago, and is reunited with his diabolical former protege Marcel. The Secret Circle's Phoebe Tonkin, who joined Vampire Diaries this season in a pivotal recurring role, will also star.
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Titled The Originals, the potential new CW series would be an offshoot revolving around the Original family led by Klaus (Joseph Morgan), which will be set up in a season four Vampire Diaries episode.
Executive producer Julie Plec, who will write the episode, is shepherding the spinoff, with Leslie Morgenstein and Gina Girolamo as executive producers.
In the Vampire Diaries episode slated to air April 25, Klaus returns to the supernatural melting pot that is the French Quarter of New Orleans, a town he helped build centuries ago, and is reunited with his diabolical former protege Marcel. The Secret Circle's Phoebe Tonkin, who joined Vampire Diaries this season in a pivotal recurring role, will also star.
Source: The Hollywood Reporter
Is this really necessary?
ReplyDeleteyes please i would love an orginal spinoff i hope this gets a series order
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a sensible solution. Klaus is a popular character but his lingering presence on TVD is mucking up the works so giving him his own show could work out.
ReplyDeleteWhy? They work so so on the show but on their own? Color me uninterested.
ReplyDeletewell considering the originals is the best part about the show right much better then the delena and stelena triangle i would say yes there the only reason i continue to watch the show right now i'm so over delena crappy storyline and sinc TVD is the CW's biggest hit i think the CW is trying to find there next big hit to pair with TVD
ReplyDeletedoes anyone know if this is in devolopment for the 1013/2014 season or 2014/2015 season?
ReplyDeleteIf the backdoor pilot is airing this season then it stands to reason that it will be in contention for a pickup before the CW upfronts this May.
ReplyDeleteYep, and I'm tired of the Originals. I'm tried of the love triangle. There's really only one character I continue to watch for yet the show still makes my favorites. It's just not as high as in season 1 and 2.
ReplyDeleteObjectively speaking, from a business POV, yes it is smart to deal with a popular character that is cluttering a big ensemble by giving him a spinoff. On a personal level I don't think TVD deserves to become a franchise like this....
ReplyDeleteAttempting this makes sense for both the network and the TVD for a handful of reasons.
ReplyDeleteMIGHT work. Not sure yet...
ReplyDeleteI don't think reality shows about people bidding on storage units deserves to be a franchise but it's never about "deserve." It's about whether or not people are interested enough to watch it.
ReplyDeleteThe first thing about this that appealed to me was the idea that they can finally stop the circular tap dance with the Klaus character and move the VD story forward. I got board with the 'lets kill Klaus..whoops! It didn't work and he's still around' dance long ago.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with lots of good genre programming on air. If its good I'll watch.
But in that scenario it would leave TVD with just those triangles, because Klaus (which in my opinion is one of the best characters) won't be part of the "main" show.... without the Originals being part of TVD, you would lose quite a number of favorite characters. Since TVD has already lost some of its former glory this year, removing Klaus from the show would not improve matters.
ReplyDeletewhy not make a spinoff of for Jeremy and Matt, that would be awesome. It would be Supernatural 2.0
ReplyDeleteI think this is a good idea, now it just feels like they're stuck with Klaus. They can't kill him, he's constantly the villain, so the story doesn't really move forward.
ReplyDeleteAlso this would mean that Katherine can come back
I guess this confirms that they won't kill off Haley (thank god)
In full agreement with Bruce_F on this. Klaus is a creative problem for the show, and he's very much in-danger of becoming that character the writers love way too much to let go (but should let go).
ReplyDeleteI'd miss Claire Holt, assuming she goes as well, but that's about it.
Best idea!
ReplyDeleteThis makes sense as CW wants a show to put after VD that will keep its audience and this is the most Likley to do that and Klaus & the Originals are very popular characters and I've seen online fans asking for a Originals spinoff and the CW wants to capatilize on VDs popularity while they can. I bet this is the first pilot ordered to series/new show picked up to series for next fall.I hope Rebekahs in it as she's my favorite Original and I like Phoebe Tonkin so I ll watch.
ReplyDeleteWow, the pole is very split on this subject, and for good reason. Spin-offs are rarely as interesting as the original, especially if it isn't done with the right characters.
ReplyDeleteThe Originals might be the right characters, but only if done as a prequel. Perhaps tell the complete story of what they were like before the curse, and their evolution due to it, while not breaking what we already know.
The main problem with this is that it might weaken the Originals in the current episodes, unless they are planning of phasing them out, or worse yet, end the Vampire Diaries.
Splitting up TVD into two equally pointless shows is the best idea ever.
ReplyDelete- The Original show then will have all the klaus fangirls who will be able to watch Originals stand around in suits while doing nothing.
- TVD will have all the FIVE people who stan Elena remain as viewers. Not to mention that certain crackship will finally end.
Plot? What Plot? TVD has not been about plot since it jumped the shark after Masquerade in S2. It has been primarily a fanservice show through and through.
Then after total of one season of both, both get cancelled and I regain my peace of mind.
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No, seriously, who thought that not one but TWO trainwrecks run by Julie Plec would be a good idea?
TVD don't try to be buffy
ReplyDeletePlec would really really want that, wouldn't she? considering all the tries to rip off plotlines from Buffy.
ReplyDeleteSadly for Plec - its not enough to have a bunch of fanservice actors to be buffy. You actually have to have certain level of talent in writing - considering most of her tries to rip off BTVS/ATS plots failed spectacularly, she proved she does not have it.
In all seriousness, though this is just that - cannibalization of TVD.
ReplyDeleteThe writers have written themselves into the corner with their outrageous random plots that contradict each other and its becoming hard to actually do ANYTHING in the mess that TVD became.
So what does plec do? Move an entire fanservice element into completely separate show and leave the corpse of tvd to die by cancellation, hoping to milk a few more seasons from the new spin off then.
Don't get me wrong TVD is my favorite show but I'm not entirely sure about a spin-off, if it gets the go ahead I'll defo give it a watch then make my decision. Will be intresting to see how it does or maybe doesn't work :)
ReplyDeleteOh God, this is why I dropped this show. They went into so much detail about the Originals and Klaus, who originally should've gotten a WAY smaller part(as in the books) and now they're doing a whole show about it... nuh-uh, sorry, no, thank you.
ReplyDeleteWhat plots "contradict each other"? You really think that one regular and one recurring, neither the most popular character on the show, will really hurt the #1 show on the network so much that it will be "canceled"?
ReplyDeleteWhat are you even talking about?
As long as it gets Klaus out of TVD, I'm down.
ReplyDeleteIt has not been "#1 Show On Network" for quite some time. Arrow has been stealing that position lately.
ReplyDeleteShould I list all the plotholes? That would take too long. Let's just give an example of writers playing a roulette with elena's "parent death" backstory which has had at least two retcons, making Elena contradict herself twice. Add to that British Eastern European Viking Originals who settled down in California(which is on the opposite shore than Atlantic ocean) and you have a winner.
Word. Originals pointlessly suffocating every second of TVD's screentime was a big reason why I quit this show as well(the other reason being lack of character development, insufferable lead trio and horrible plotlines)
ReplyDeleteIf Rebekah was going i would watch for sure.
ReplyDeleteyeah I agree TVD has more plot holes than I can count but its still the highest rated show on the network TVD 18-49 rating 1.4 and arrow's 1.2
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, I forgot about the "average white male demo that matters" being what counts.
ReplyDeleteStill in terms of viewers, TVD is losing out lately, having hit a series low twice this season.
1) Arrow wins on total viewers, but loses the demo. Make no mistake what the top revenue earner on this network is. The third place show is not close, either.
ReplyDelete2) Don't tell me there was a "retcon", tell me what the retcon was. Stream of conscience ranting is fun, but you've given no examples whatsoever in four posts. Also, they didn't settle in California, they settled in Virginia, unless I missed something.
3) Secret Circle was canned because it wasn't a 2.0 show on any level. It started hot and died a slow and consistent death. It was drawing the same type of rating as Dixie by the end, and it got the best lead-out slot on the network.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, there are maybe one or two shows on television less in danger of being canceled than TVD.
TVD is up this year. It fell to ~2.4M, still dummying everything else on the network at the time, late last year but averages about 2.8M now while being the #1 show in the demo. Almost every network show slips as it progresses, only the stuff that skews old (like NCIS and The Big Bang Theory) tends to hold steady.
ReplyDeleteI'd like to hear some of these "retcons" and plotholes.
LOL! (PS. I hate that show!)
ReplyDelete1) yeah. Yeah I already talked about forgetting "average white male" demo. Insert Homer Simpson quote here about how illogical the weight it has is.
ReplyDelete2) Already did, but if you need to be spoon fed:
- In S1 Elena TELLS Stefan twice that the reason her parents died was because she snuck out to a party, got drunk and made a scene, so her parents had to go and pick her up. None of that happens in the actual flashback and she is there with their permission. So yeah retcon.
- Virginia, schmirginia, still makes absolutely no sense, considering the difference in environment, hostile natives and thousands of other factors.
I do love Klaus, but I also agree that he has become a problem for the writing staff. I'm not sure that's a good enough reason for a spin-off! I guess that's really what Angel came down to in the end: Beloved character and actor combo that just didn't work in the plot. I was behind the idea last season when it was just a rumor (that I stupidly thought highly unlikely). So I'll stick with thinking it could be really fun. I really hope they get Daniel Gillies back from Saving Hope and don't spend too much time daggering each other.
ReplyDeleteTo be honest,this sounds awful.Klaus was hiding from Mikaelf or 1000 years and now we learn that he was keeping a low profile by building cities??
ReplyDeleteLOVE IT!!! It brightened up my crappy day!! BUT... We totally NEED the other Originals there as well!
ReplyDeleteOne sl that contradicts itself is the relationship between Stefan and Damon over the centuries.Remember the pilot?HowDamon hated Stefan?And just recently,we saw how he wanted to go with Stefan in Africa,b/che loved him too much.Or what about Elena not being supernatural in s2 (she was compelled by Elijah) and all of a sudden she is a sup in s3?There were many plot holes and contradictions in s3.
ReplyDeleteJust so long as it doesn't mean the end of TVD. And so long as Kol is in it. I think he'd be a really cool character if they actually take some time to develop his character.
ReplyDeleteWhich is exactly why I said "objectively speaking" and countered that with "on a personal level". (and you will NEVER hear me cheering for more reality shows and their spin offs either)
ReplyDeleteI get why they are doing it, I believe it's a smart thing to do, but it does nothing for me.
IMO the show isn't all that and a spinning a character off wouldn't give me any incentive to watch.
And spin offs are hard... for every good, or even decent, spin off you have dozens which failed miserably, and barely any that surpassed the origin show.
All these things factor against this idea to me, which is why I couldn't care less and I would rather see the CW branching out with a whole new idea/set of writers-producers/cast, rather that trying another spin on the same old same old...
I'm not sure if it did but If my post came off as crass, it wasn't my intention.
ReplyDelete"I get why they are doing it, I believe it's a smart thing to do, but it does nothing for me."
I understand. I guess I just got a little tweaked by your use of the word deserve.
"All these things factor against this idea to me, which is why I couldn't
care less and I would rather see the CW branching out with a whole new
idea/set of writers-producers/cast, rather that trying another spin on
the same old same old...
I certainly understand this as well but, from The CW's point of view, the network has seen a solid downturn in their ratings for the past few seasons and aren't in a secure enough position to branch out and take risks with all of their pilots. They need a few safe bets.
I no I didn't take it the wrong way. I just though maybe I wasn't clear enough.
ReplyDelete1) Two brothers with an antagonistic relationship over a 150 year timeline will go through many rounds of love and hate (some even at the same time) that's not contradictory that's human nature.
ReplyDelete2) Dopplegangers can be compelled like anyone else? I don't understand your reference. Elena was totally "supernatural" by ring definition in season 2, that's why she couldn't wear it to protect herself, they continued that with stabbing Alaric in season 3.
I'm not saying the show is perfect, but comparatively, they don't do that bad of a job. I mean complain about the siring crap for sure, or the wigs, or the love triangle or magic/witches or where'd Damon's crow go to. But just blanket saying "plot holes"? I mean you signed up for fun silly camp from episode 1.
I don't see how Elena being compelled says she isn't supernatural? We didn't know he was an original at the time but he could have compelled even rose at that point. But yes lots of plot holes and discrepancies in time line as well!
ReplyDeleteNot sure how I feel about this... it's true that the originals (well Klaus) have taken over TVD to the point where it's a joke... Klaus is always messing things up so they need to overthrow him or get rid of him but he's immortal so they can't. Getting his own show actually makes sense and I would watch it... and I'm sure they would do cross-overs like Buffy and Angel. They could also bring back Finn and Kol for lots of flashbacks. I hope for Elijah but he is a regular on Saving Hope which is a summer show but has an 18ep order for season 2. If they make this I'll definitely give it a try.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a bad idea, and would satisfy fans of the series on both counts. People who love Klaus and the originals would hop right on, and people who are ready to see them go would be happy as well. But I don't know how many new eyes it would gather.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely.
ReplyDeleteA show about Klaus. If it means he leaves TVD for good, than heel, yes, give him his own show.
Finally someonea grees with me that Klaus presence on TVD is ruining the show. I've been saying that for almost a year.
ReplyDeleteAnd if the producers love him so much, let's them give this psycho his own show. Dexter is hit, right?
If we can finally finlly get rid of Klaus, I'd say hell yes!
ReplyDeleteThe best part? It was in S2. And in the first half of S3. Now it's annoying and old. And it prevents the story from developing. We're running in circles. The writers
ReplyDeletemake up some lame shit to justify Klaus staying on the show. I would never watch Klaus spin off, but if it means he leaves TVD, I support a new show.
No, it wouldn't be just the triangles. Take Silas, for example. The entire Silas story (including Shane and Bonnies new magic) is interesting and has potential. And it would work perfectly without Klaus. Or the hunters. That has potential too, cause they lead us to the a weapon, maybe a cure. And if the gang finds them, they can help them control the urge to kill, like they helped Jeremy. It would also work without Klaus. And if we take the books, we have so much material. The kitsune, the Dark Dimension (or however they call it), and seriously, the writers should be paid for ideas.
ReplyDeleteWhat was wrong with Buffy? Buffy and Angel were a success. Maybe TVD would be better if they hire some of the buffy staff. Cause unlike TVD Buffy had always good stories, the characters had good lines and most important, they weren't constantly repeating themself.
ReplyDeleteTVD has great actors. And great potential. What they need would be new writers and producers. As I said: Hire some Buffy staff.
ReplyDeleteLove you! Another person that finally agrees with me.
ReplyDeleteFor months in S3 I was alone in my thinking, Klaus is ruining the show. That the show is running in circles and is just not going anywhere. Lately lots of people agree.
And the fact that the network is thinking of an Original spin off proves what I'm saying all along. They keep Klaus just to keep him. He is not important for the story. JP likes him and is forcing him into the show.
Well, at least that fucking psycho would be finally out of TVD.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least that fucking psycho would be finally out of TVD. About time.
ReplyDeleteCause it's probably the only chance to get finally finally rid of Klaus?!?
ReplyDeletethats what I meant TVD is trying too hard to be like buffy you can already see the similarities in storylines and now a spin off. just because it worked for buffy doesn't mean it will work for TVD
ReplyDeleteWell, they have 1000 years of Original history, right? Enough material for a very long
ReplyDeleteshow. I just don't believe anyone would watch it longer than a season or two. I
wouldn't.
Honey? We're long past that point. The reason Klaus didn't vanished after S2 or during S3 is, that the producers are keeping him and forcing him into the show. He should have gone for good at least after Elena turned. The simple fact that they are
ReplyDeleteruining the show by keeping him is prove that they care about him being on the show more, than they care about the quality of the show.
If the originals don't die (which is obvious) it doesn't mean they can't return on TVD
after they get their own show. As long as it's not for more than one ep or two.
Don't say that! Say "Yes, of course we want an Original spin off!"
ReplyDeleteIt's obviously the only way to get rid of Klaus. JP is never letting him go (otherwise he would have gone during S3).
Since JP is so determined to keep Klaus at all costs (which is ruining the show), a new
ReplyDeletespin off for the originals could be the solution. JP can keep Klaus (give him a bigger part in his own show). I don't think TVD would "die by cancelation". With Klaus gone, TVD can finally recover from him and be again what it was in the first two seasons: A great show.
That Klaus constant presence is ruining the show
ReplyDeleteSomeone was saying (before the "winter wonderland" ep) that JP has no idea what she is doing.
ReplyDeleteHere is the prove. The brothers hated each other. In S3 and S4 it seems like they wanted to get back together as they were before Katerina. Several times. One of them just always blew it up.
I'm stoked for this. But why Phoebe Tonkin?
ReplyDeleteIt's the only reason for the spin off. O.K., maybe not the only. 1000 years of original
ReplyDeletehistory could be interesting to watch. But it's at least the best reason. Otherwise Klaus will never leave TVD. And if they have to write lame stories just so he can fit in, the show won't last long. A spin off is the best solution.
Agree that the writer brought themselves into that position. Maybe the network should
consider replacing JP and some of the writers.
I belong to both groups. I like Klaus and the originals. And seeing 1000 years of their
ReplyDeletehistory could be worth watching. But forcing Klaus into TVD is ruining the show. Getting rid of him could bring TVD back to the great show it was in S1 and S2
I think, Originals could work better as prequel than a separate show. 1000 years of
ReplyDeletehistory.
Stop looking for any logics. JP has no idea what she is doing, we know that for a while now.
ReplyDeleteI think it's not even sure yet, if they will make a spin off. Was it confirmed yet? But if they will, I hope they make it fast. Sooner we get rid of Klaus, sooner TVD can recover and be again the show it was before Klaus.
ReplyDeleteYes, because Phoebe Tonkin.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think the reason for the spin off is, that they try to make it more like Buffy. It think, they finally realized, that keeping Klaus at all costs is ruining the show. But they love him too much and they are not ready to let him go, get rid of him (even if they can't kill him, they could lock him away). I think, they'll try the spin off for 3 reasons:
ReplyDelete1. Cause fans want him gone. Finally
2. They finally realized that the story isn't evolving and is running in circles
3. They want to keep him
Now this is what I call great news! The Originals are finally getting their own spin-off, something that I have wanted to happen since the middle of Season 3 (sometime during Bringing Out The Dead and Dangerous Liaisons).
ReplyDeleteI hope with all my heart that it takes off, that it is commissioned for a full-fledged series and does not remain a "special episode". I would love to see Mikael, Esther and Finn back, even if it's only in flashbacks. There's just so much story to tell. It could delve into the very origins of the Mikaelsons as they fled from the Old World after they lost their eldest son. We could also see what life was like when they arrived in the New World and how the death of Henrik brought about the creation of the Originals. There's a thousand years' worth of story to tell plus more as we go forward.
Adding Phoebe Tonkin is a plus in my book. Hayley, like the Originals, is only looking out for her family. And she can definitely hold her own faced with the Originals, as she demonstrated in Memorial. When she realizes that despite the Originals being seen as the bad guys, they are not so different from her really, that could help her better understand the Originals and change the dynamics between them.
I'm really excited for this! This is going to be great and for all those who are griping about it and only wanting a spin-off so as to get rid of Klaus, stop complaining and at least give it a try before dissing it.
I agree. It not about who deserve a spin-off, it about rather there is a audience for it.
ReplyDeleteI voted 'yes definitely' just for the chance of getting rid of Klaus on TVD. The whole Bloodline thing meant they would never kill him, they can't seem to send him away, so I guess this is the best options. I'm not sure if I'd watch the spinoff or not, but please dear God just get Klaus away from TVD and try and save what's left of the show.
ReplyDeleteYes to everything you just said!
ReplyDeleteSupernatural beings can't be compelled.Originals can compel only vampires not all supes.
ReplyDeleteSometimes it feels like she's writing a daytime soap opera (there's no logic,no consequences,stuff just happen) or a fanfic for herself.She just puts stuff she wants to see without backing them up with any logical explanation.
ReplyDeleteThe brothers didn't just have an antagonistic relationship.Damon promised Stefan an eternity of misery.I understand that both of them would have wanted to reconcile over the centuries, (anyone with siblings knows that despite how much u can't stand them at times,you wish you were on good terms)but I doubt Damon would go as far as to join Stefan in the army.He was in love with Katherine and hated Stefan for Katherine getting caught.The flashbacks show us Damon not being the person (or becoming the person) who was in s1 but the person he is now.What happened after the 1940's?He just woke up one day and remembered how much he hated Stefan?
ReplyDeleteWe were told in s2 that doppelgangers are a sup occurance.Fro what I can tell,Elena looking like Tatia is a supernatural phenomenon,she is not a sup being herself.
Now that u mentioned the sire crap,that is a contradiction too.In s3 they said siring is really rare,yet in s4,it happened to Damon twice!
I hate the wigs,too.
I didn't take the show seriously at first,but it got so good in s2 despite the things that didn't make sense to me.I don't mind silly,but I think they've overdone it.
I posted a comment a few months back on the plot holes.If u want to see it let me know.
What I got from s3 is that they had no plan for the season.In season 1,there were the release of the tomb vamps and Katherine's return.In s2,all roads led to the sacrifice,but in season 3?Stuff just happened.As for season 4,I really don't care.
ReplyDeleteAgree. I'd go more with fanfic. Even in soap operas there is some sense of logic.
ReplyDeleteBut to tell the truth, I have no idea what happened. In S1 and 2 the show was great. I don't know what happened during S3 (cause it started great) that ruined everything.
Joseph as Klaus is great and I understand that she wanted to keep him. But he just doesn't fit in. His time on the show has passed and keeping him means to put the story on hold. Or at least into slow motion. Maybe she hoped it would work, like it did with Spike on Buffy. Spike was supposed to be this badass vamp, that shows up, kills someone and goes. He was supposed to be on the show for just a few eps in S2, but fans liked him. So they gave him a greater part, and he returned in S3 and S4, before he became regular in S5. And at the beginning you could see that it was weird in S4. They hated him, he hated them, but for a reason no one understood, they just didn't kill him. It took producers and writers a while, but he finally got his place in the Scooby gang.
I think, JP tries to do that with Klaus. But the biggest difference (and the simple fact she doesn't get) is, that Spike was never that bad (even at his worst he had some sense of humanity; like his love for Dru. Klaus has not the tiniest bit of humanity in him.) and he also changed for the better. On TVD it's not working. Changing Klaus would ruin the character. But you could see that they tried it with Klaus. Like with this "romance" he has with Caroline. But then he goes and kills 12 hybrids and Tys mom. That is the flaw in the plan. Either she changes Klaus and hopes it works or the character and the show, or she doesn’t change him. There just isn't a "something in between".
Agree absolutely. In S1 and 2 the storylines were connected.
ReplyDeleteLet's say S1. Ep 2or 3 was about the comet. That was connected to the tomb and the tomb vampires that got out and wanted revenge. And it was all connected to Katerina.
In S2 it started with Katerinas return and it all led to the sacrifice. Carolines and Matts turning, the originals, Rose, the search for the stone, ...
The path was clear and the stories were connected, even if it took a while to figure it out.
But in S3 we had no path. The entire season was really just about planning to kill Klaus, to fail and make a new plan just to fail again. To bring on the entire family was a good move. But couldn't make up for the running in circles (and I'm not even talking about the fact that mommy came back to kill her kids).
S4 is a bit better. At least we got this Silas story in the background.
so guess they planning to kill klaus off then
ReplyDeleteI don't think you should fire writers for creating an interesting plot and set of characters, particularly not if they are interesting enough to warrant another show, and especially not if they are making you more money than any other show on your network. Usually success equals raise not pink slip.
ReplyDeleteI don't. But thanks. The show is what it is. I just don't think your examples of "plot holes" are very good. Brothers fighting and changing their minds is just the way brothers act. Long-seated issues get buried and picked up again. They could wake up tomorrow and hate each other (Stefan's pretty pissed at Damon right now) and still work together and maybe laugh and then punch each other two hours later. It is a mercurial relationship--it isn't contradictory. Damon isn't going to ever forgive Stefan for Katherine loving him more or for killing their father or for making him a vampire. He might forget to be actively pissed sometimes and remember that underneath that he still loves him, but those issues haven't been resolved. And the distinction between a supernatural being and occurrence is something you've created yourself. Elena can and always could be compelled. She can not use the ring--with that comes if she kills you while you are wearing the ring it counts as supernatural death--same logic.
ReplyDeleteThe distinction is not sth I made up.I used Elijah's words from 2x20.He said 'Doppelganger is a sup occurance,odds are the ring won't work',he didn't say 'Elena is sup and the ring will definitely not work'. The writers made that distinction,not me.
ReplyDeleteANYTHING WITH ORIGINALS AND I M IN. HECK YESS!!!! DREAM COMING TRUE. BRING IT ON!! SO EXCITED FOR THIS. WOOHOOO MORE KLAUS ELIJAH KOL REBEKAH. cant get any better than this.
ReplyDeleteOrigibnals are the only reason this show is still interestig and we keep watching. other wise who cares bout craptastic boringest love triangle and delena? VOMIT
ReplyDeleteDon't get me wrong: It's a good and successful show. The characters are interesting (many people complain about the love triangles. And although sometimes it seems a bit much, it keeps the dynamics of the group in motion and makes character development possible) and there are some storylines with potential. But the story came nearly to a stop and patterns are repeating themself. Responsible (if you ask me) are the producers, unable to say goodbye to a character that did his part and is now just in the way of story development. And writers, unable to make an interesting storyline that brings in a character that no one needs (most storylines would work perfectly without him). But to be fair: it's not easy to bring in a character that is unnecessary for the storyline, no matter how good the actor is.
ReplyDeleteTake Spike on Buffy. It was hard to bring him in the gang. But the writers and producers made it work. It's not easy, but with a good and creative team or writers and producers it's possible.
JP and the writers are unable to make Klaus a functional character on the show. At the same time they refuse to let him go. I think, that is the reason for the spinoff. They are searching for the ideal solution for both problems (getting rid of an functional character you don't want to get rid of, and the slow development of the story). Truth be told, although TVD IS a successful show, it's not that successful, that the network would say: "Let's make a spinoff!"
But that's just my opinion.
I don't believe that a character is redeemable,b/c he has a love interest.A character is redeemable when he wants to do good for the sake of others,b/c he's truly sorry for the pain he caused people.Does that sound like Klaus?No.I thought Klaus's humanity was his family (in his own twisted way of course).But then he didn't even blink when Finn died and Klaus made fun of how little he had lived when it was him who left him daggered in the 1st place.I endured Klaus's pony drawings and him begging C for her affections,but when Finn was killed,I realised that Klaus is a soulless bastard.
ReplyDeleteI understand keeping characters alive,b/c the actors do a great job playing them,but the writers can't do fanservice.They can't keep characters alive when they offer nothing new just to keep the audience happy.They did that for Katherine who was to be killed off in s2.And it would have been a great choice if she hadn't been demoted to plot device in s3. They should find a sl for her or send her away. Same thing about Eliah.They loved Daniel's work and not only did they keep him alive (I'm not complaining for that) but they did serious damage to their mythology and storytelling by making the Originals unkillable so that Elijah wouldn't be easy o kill (JP admitted that herself).And that led to the Esther hopping in and out of her body and having unlmited power nonsense.I like Eliah very much,but he hasn't done anything useful for so long.They just write him in so that the audience could be happy.
As of this moment I just don't see the hunters being part of the next season. It is the main story this year. The only reason they kept Klaus on for this long is because TVD fanbase loved the character so much and he was doing such a great job being the great big bad. The Hunters will have to equally menacing and interesting. Plus, how can it be called TVD if each vampire on the show will take the cure and will no longer be a vampire. Finding the hunters and train their urges what would be their point? They would just become fighting machines that will not kill the Mystic Falls vampires... which would make them ordinary characters.
ReplyDeleteOh no, you got me wrong. This thing, going on between Klaus and Caroline was not meant to redeem him somehow. I never said that and I never believed it. It was just an unsuccessful attempt to make him more likable (so the fans would maybe like him and forget what he did and accept him as part of the show) for an ep, before he starts killing again. If they wanted to redeem him by hooking him up with Caroline, he would have change (like feeling sorry for the people he kills, or apologize for the damage he caused, or he would have at least stop killing for no reason (hallo Carol Lockwood) and stop treating his own family like shit (hallo Becca)). But he didn't change. So they are not trying to redeem him (they could if they wanted. But, as I said, they would risk destroying his character). As I said, they have no idea what to do with his character.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, you're absolutely right. Klaus is nothing but a soulless bastard. It's what I'm saying since second half of S3.
That is exactly what I'm saying. He is doing a great job. But to keep him just because of that is ruining the show. Fanservice? I don't think so. The fans wanted to get rid of him long ago. It's JP that wants him to stay (she's the producer isn't she? If anyone could fire him it's her, right?).
Katerina is a completely different situation. She isn't forced on us. True, they could have killed her. But she isn't a constant character with no purpose. If she fits in the story, she shows up for an ep or two, and then she disappears again. If I remember correctly, she made just two appearances in S3. For 2-3 eps when she was looking for papa vamp and then at the party when they tried to kill Klaus. And in the Chicago ep. Forgot anything? In S4 she showed up just once. As hallucination. Her appearance always fits in. And keeping her makes sense. Don't forget, how she dies in the books. They probably want to keep a showdown between Katerina and Elena a possibility.
The same for Elijah. I think, his presence on the show (the few eps he shows up) fits in too. If I remember correctly he showed up in S3 just twice (don't count the flashbacks). When the family was reunited and at the end. Maybe that's the part they should have let him where he was. Klaus would still be in the coffin, everybody would be happy.
Esther is a powerful witch. Switching bodies is for her probably just a party trick.
Of course Silas and the hunters are just this seasons material. Jeremy will probably still be a hunter next season, but the hunters are important right now because of this cure I still don't believe in.
ReplyDeleteI won't deny that fans like Josephs performance. But many fans wanted him gone (one way or another) during S3. And some people stopped watching the show because they got tired of the predictable outcome of every attempt killing Klaus. My guess? They don't keep Klaus because of the fans, but because of JP.
Most don't believe in the cure. Don't forget, Alex first said it's a weapon. And there probably isn't a river of that "cure" (if it is a cure).
Helping the hunters control their urge to kill every vampire would give them … I don't know. Maybe a free will? They can choose if they want to kill a vampire or not. At the beginning almost every new vamp kills. But as soon as they are under control they don't have to kill or hurt to feed. Stefan hunts animals. Caroline, Damon and Elena use blood bags. Lexi wasn't feeding on humans either. And don't forget that the hunter won't stop at killing humans to get to the vampires. Forgot April? Or Matt and Jeremy?
I totally get what you mean about Klaus and the endless plans to kill him, which always turns out to be a grant failure. But if people are so annoyed with the character of Klaus, why would people tune in to see a show completely based on this particular character? Are they going to transfer Rebekah and Elijah too?
ReplyDeleteI get why the hunters are important, but keeping them around after they have learned how to control their urges just seems unrealistic. Hunters killing humans... not many left I guess. Curious to see where they are going with April, she is either going to root for the vamps or choose the other side, Matt already chose a side, and Jeremy... well don't really count him as human anymore now that he is a hunter.
I think they should "reboot" TVD after this season, go back to the dynamic from season 1 & 2, with Elena as a vampire (we all knew it was coming, we (and mostly Stefan) should start to deal with it and not try to back out with a cure...), and think of a new villain, because Professor Shane will probably not survive this season (just a hunch). Bonnie should become a powerful witch (just like Willow on Buffy) without all the nose bleeds and just scare the crap out of people without being so annoying all the time.
I doubt that this will mean the end of TVD, its one of only a few shows on the CW that is actually doing well.
ReplyDeleteI never found Spike to be a successfully integrated character who held his own beyond a plot or romantic storyline. However, even in last episode, the Klaus hybrid kill off was one of the most memorable and awesome parts of the season. When you find a very charismatic actor who is way too good to be part of your show and people love him, you keep him. I've read your post about "redundancy" and for some reason you seem to have a mental block that the point of season 3 was hybrids and the original family. I get that some people felt that storywise Klaus needed to die. But you need to understand in your ranting that many people think he is the smartest most interesting character on the show. They've also never figured out what to do with Bonnie or Jeremy or Matt or Rebekah or Tyler. Up until this season the only ones they'd really figured out were Caroline and Damon, but even those cycle around like decade dances.
ReplyDeleteAnd obviously you are wrong in that the network did "Let's make a spinoff." Networks make business decisions. And their business decision is to see if a great actor can hold down his own show and let a successful producer have a pilot opportunity. None of that isn't smart business.
Using more than one word to describe something but never giving them different meanings or implications is what the show did. You, not the show, are saying that a supernatural being vs entity vs occurrence should be different things with different mythological rules.
ReplyDeleteYeah, cause they are doing such a great job over on Grimm. Without Whedon, Buffy was nothing.
ReplyDeleteTransfer Elijah and Becca? You mean to the new show? Well, how about we wait till CW confirms the new show, before we discuss characters. As far as I got it, they are still developing it. Doesn't mean, CW will realize the idea. Right?
ReplyDeleteBut I think, the show shouldn't play in presence. I think, it would be more interesting, if it's a prequel. Think: 1000 years of original history. We see characters that are dead now, we accompany the family during the centuries and learn what made Klaus the psychopath he is now. And JP said, that there is more to the original family she would like to bring up.
And TVD is not based on Klaus. Never was. They just kept him for too long, but the show was never about him.
I never said that all hunters should stay after S4. Just Jeremy. And maybe he won't stay hunter. When they find the place that is hidden in the tattoos, it will maybe go away.
April either dies or turns (which also means she dies). If you hang out with vampires, you're always at risk of dying.
Exactly what I'm saying. When Klaus leaves (either if he dies, ends up in a coffin, or leaves for his own show), TVD can recover and be again the great show it was in S1 and 2.
I didn't mean that you implied Klaus was turning good b/c of his romance with Caroline.I was just stating the reasons I think he can't be redeemed.However,there are a lot of fans who don't want him dead because they want him and C to be a couple and they think he can be good if that actually happens.But honestly,aside from the reasons I wrote earlier,I believe they shouldn't turn Klaus good for 1 more reason:because we have too many bad boys turned good on this show!Stefan,Damon,Elijah.They try to make Rebekah good too.There has to be someone that stays evil,that causes trouble and needs to be dealt with for the sake of conflict.
ReplyDeleteKatherine wasn't forced on us,but her appearances in s3 didn't make sense to me.She was stalking Klaus in the 20's?That was too dangerous.She could have other people do that for her.She went to the homecoming dance and she was standing right in front of him!She had just escaped from him and she put her life in danger like that?She loves both brothers and she loves herself a lot more.And Damon wanted her to impersonate Elena so that Elena would be safe.Katherine doesn't care about Elena,why did she agree to it?Damon couldn't have made her,she's 500 yrs old,and Mikael didn't make her,b/c he knew nothing about it.
Elijah was awesome in ep 3x13 and 3x15,but in the season finale he didn't do much,did he?I think they could have used him better.
If Klaus was in the coffin and Elijah was back in season 4,the show would be a lot better.How come the gang hasn't thought to try that again?He knows nothing more about the hunters than the other people do and since he thinks Stefan is working with him for the cure and not plotting his death,Stefan and the others could do a surprise attack.I mean why work with Klaus?Why help a murder machine with anything when all he does is cause people suffering and one of these people is the girl you love?When will Stefan realise that Klaus needs to be dealt with for the sake of everyone,he's not a person you want to work with/for?
Haha well we've been discussing this while the CW is not even yet sure about the whole idea. Naming your show the Originals would mean that multiple "originals" characters would be a part of the show... I guess the idea of a prequel sounds perfect, but I've also read the "pilot" will feature him in New Orleans present day, so it could become a flashback series...
ReplyDeleteNot a big fan of April... she found out what is really going on, but I don't get her allegiance to Rebekah, it is not like Rebekah has been so honest and yes of course she lies in a coffin with a stake through her heart, but she's no angel either. So yes, I also think she will die, whether becoming vampire or not.
No matter what happens, whether the spin-off is picked up or not, I really hope they are going to turn this show around, back to where it started, because it has lost its focus completely. First two seasons I couldn't wait for a new episode, right now, it is nice when it is on again, but it is definitely not first on my list anymore. (I blame whiny Stefan, but that is a whole different kind of discussion)
At times I like the originals, I preferably love Elijah and Rebekah, but sometimes I think they can be shoved down our throats sometimes. I would much rather have more Katherine than more Originals. But by having a spin off I don't think this would be very suitable for the 'Klaroline' fans, which I know there are a LOT of now. I would much rather the Original's have an amazing ending on The Vampire Diaries than for them to drag them on even more in a spin off.
ReplyDeleteI think, Spike fit perfectly. Not so much in S4 and 5, as in S6 and 7. But I never got the feeling he shouldn't be there. Or that the show would be better without him.
ReplyDeleteJoseph is a great and charismatic actor. I'm not denying that. But he doesn't fit in the show anymore.
No, honey, I don't have a mental block about S3. I know exactly what the point of S3 was. Reunite the original family was a good move. And it would be a good end. The family could leave and make a new life away from MF. My problem with S3 is, that it wasn't original. It continued S2. It was about Klaus hybrids, the original family and repeated attempts of killing Klaus (the same concept we had in S2). The hybrids were good, so was the family. The attempts to kill Klaus got annoying after the 10th or 20th plan of killing him failed. If you ask me, they could have bring in the hybrids, the family and maybe 2 attempts of killing Klaus. And they could finish that part at ep 15 or 16 (for example by putting Klaus in the coffin or the entire family leaving). But they stretched the story and kept on planning on kill Klaus, which a 5 years old could foresee would fail. Again.
As I said, giving Klaus an own show is the best solution to both problems: how to deal with a show that an unnecessary character is ruining, and what to do with a character that you want to keep, but just doesn't fit in the show.
Then let's go steal a Whedon (I miss Leverage)
ReplyDeleteBuffy was Whedons baby, but a show needs more than just a good producer to be successful. It needs a creative team. The writers can work only with the directions, producers give them. I mean, who has the last word on a script? The writers, or the producers? Seriously, I'm not familiar with the hierarchy, but I think, the producers are above the writers.
An Original spin-off show? Really?
ReplyDeleteWell I really like Joseph Morgan and in all honestly I will follow him wherever he goes because I am enjoying his character as Klaus so very much and I really believe that as an actor he stands out and has great potential.
But that doesn’t mean that this is making me happy. Or that I am having good vibes out of it. If anything I am feeling very pessimistic about it.
I do NOT trust Julie Plec as a writer and as a producer any more. She has lost me some time now.
I couldn’t care less for Phoebe Tolkin’s character and in my personal opinion her acting skills don’t appeal to me.
TVD is a show that is based in romantic relationships. Klaroline has a great fandom that keeps getting bigger and bigger. I honestly don’t see the point of tearing down such dynamic. And after that what? Will the main triangle of the show be able to keep the audience? Sure people will stay but as we can already see by the ratings things are not as they used to be.
I am finding this move quite reckless. I will follow Joseph Morgan, even though I don’t know if this will eventually play out the right way. But with no Klaus and no Klaroline I have no reason to keep watching the Vampire Diaries anymore.
This is indeed the last straw for me.
It is not hate or punishment or anything. It is just that personally there is nothing else that I like on the show (enough to keep me interested anyway). I do enjoy many other relationships in occasions but the writers are messing everything up more and more everyday.
Yeah…I definitely didn’t relax by coming here today. Damn that hurt!
You know what kills me the most about this spin-off possibility? It’s the Hayley part. I really, really hate her. I disliked her since her first scene and it soon turned into hating her with a force of thousands burning suns. I haven’t seen such a butchered character on a tv show in a long time and it kills me that she’d have scenes with Klaus while Caroline and Stefan won’t be able to because they will be on another show.
ReplyDeleteIf it turns out she’s somehow related to Klaus, his descendant or heaven forbid somehow his daughter I may violently throw up.
It’s not that I hate Hayley because of those spoilers, it’s that I hate those spoilers because of Hayley.
Buhahahahaha No COMMENT!!!
ReplyDeleteIt's not my belief that Klaus is ruining the show. I think season four has been fairly entertaining since episode 5. Episodes 1-4 were a bit rough. My opinion is that Klaus' continuing presence is completely unnecessary and takes away screen time from other characters who could make better use of it.
ReplyDeleteThe reason that we're to believe that Klaus is still around is because of the supposed cure. However, we've already been told that the entire Original family knew about the cure and The Five. So, the truth is that any Original could have been plugged into this story just as easily. Klaus is only here because of popularity and because of that we're stuck with a forced relationship triangle and an unnecessary antagonist.
What did Gilles said on Buffy S3? Some monsters can be saved cause they want to be saved. Klaus is long past the point where it could be possible for him to change.
ReplyDeleteO.K., and this is pissing me off. Like "Say that again and I'll punch you" pissed. This whole Caroline and Klaus think is just ridiculous. She is such a hypocrite I could kill her. On one side she is giving Elena a hard time over her feelings for Damon and is still mad at Damon for what he did to her (not, that I blame her). And on the other side she is dating Klaus. The psycho that killed more people (including vamps, wolves and witches) than all wars and epidemics together. And I could kill everyone that is supporting that ridiculous "relationship". This people obviously forgot what Klaus did. And Caroline did it too. How could she forgot what Klaus did to Ty and her? He killed and turned him. And he forced Ty into biting her, what almost killed her.
Elijah was never evil. And Becca will never be good.
I have no idea why Katerina was stalking Klaus. Maybe she gave Mikael a hint, I don't know. But she came back to make sure Klaus dies. Her only way of getting free after 500 years was to kill Klaus. But I don't know why she helped. She always had others to do her dirty work. Katerina cares for no one but herself, not even the brothers. I think, she's unable to love. I think, she and Klaus would deserve each other. We should lock them in the tomb together. Could be fun.
"How come the gang hasn't thought to try that again?" You mean put Klaus in a coffin again? Or a tomb? No idea. In real life I'd say, they are stupid. But it's TVD and JP probably doesn't want them to take Klaus out. Last time it took them 25 or 30 eps or so (also counting S2, since they already wanted to take him out then) and then he got out the very next ep. That says it all.
Yes, as long as Klaus thinks the brothers cooperate (and since he lost all his hybrids) it would be the perfect opportunity. And here again: ask JP why we can't get rid of him that way.
Stefan seems not be himself when he is around Klaus. I don’t know why he is like that. He's not even trying to resist him or fight him. Like Klaus compelled him again. He just works with him, cooperates and is not even considering to take him out. Seems like Stefan forgot what Klaus put him and Elena thru. Seems to be an epidemic of amnesia.
A flashback series? Could work, if they find a storyline in the presence. And as long as they think it thru. Not that we get a flashback from, lets say 1718, where the family lives in Paris, and 10 eps later (or the next season), we see them 1718 in lets say Asia. If I would write a book or show where we have 1000 years of flashbacks, I would at first plan the route. They started here, they moved there and there, lived here for 5 years, there for 10, … Guess you get what I mean. I would also research wars, natural disaster, discoveries, … It's a lot of work. If you work in the past or mostly with flashbacks. If they are just random to entertain, it's not so important, I guess.
ReplyDeleteAprils allegiance to Becca is the result of Becca pretending to be nice to a girl that was vulnerable and alone. April doesn't know who Becca really is. Becca only offered her help to April cause she was alone too. April just believed, Becca is a nice girl. Guess, she'll find out the truth soon.
I get what you mean. The first two seasons I was up all night waiting for the next ep. I was so excited, I couldn't sleep. Now, it's just "whatever". I hope too that the show will recover after we get rid of Klaus. No, I know the show will recover after he is gone.
Wanna talk whiny Stefan? I like ripper Stefan too (yeah, I'm into psychos. Klaus, Damon, Dexter, Sylar, …). Bunny died Stefan is boring. No fun. Remember how hard it is for Elena to get him to dance with her?
Haha yeah Stefan is not the most exciting character ever created. Each reaction is similar, either angry but most importantly disappointed in each and every one. If I could give JP one advice, please change that!!!!! I am into the psychos too, they create the real entertainment!
ReplyDeleteThe show would work better without Klaus. He is completely unnecessary for the story. He is just making it harder for the writers, cause they have to write the story so he can fit in. And the fans are annoyed by him. Also because of him the story is developing too slow. If the producers would be ready to let him go, we could have finished the original chapter by ep 16 or 17 of S3. Instead of that, we're still stuck with him, and will be for the rest of the season.
ReplyDeleteS1 and 2 were great, cause the storyline was clear and connected. S3 was just running in circles repeating the gangs attempt to kill Klaus. And although it was a good move to reunite the family it ended again by running in circles by Esters attempts to kill her brats. S4 gave us nothing that wouldn't work without Klaus or Becca (the hunters, Silas, this "cure", …). And they again tried to kill Klaus. Please tell me that isn’t boring or annoying to you, cause you were the only one, honey.
If we would get rid of Klaus (by killing him, locking him away or just giving him an own show), TVD could recover and be show I loved for 2 ½ years, before keeping Klaus got more important to the producers than the quality of the show.
Popularity? Not anymore, I'm afraid. During S3 many fans said they like him (his character). I haven't heard that in a long time. Everyone is ready to let him go. Anyone but the producers.
This "relationship" between Klaus and Caroline is just ridiculous. And another attempt to justify him staying on the show. I swear, if Caroline hooks up with him, I'll kill her myself. After all he did? Including to her? And he gives her a present, draws a picture and acts nice with her (before he goes and kills 12 hybrids and the mayor) and all is forgiven? Then why is she still pissed at Damon?
Change Stefan is not easy. He is a character of extreme. Either, he is the boring Stefan on his bunny diet, who is burdened with all the problems in the world, or he is ripper Stefan, leaving a trial of body parts behind him.
ReplyDeleteChanging Damon wasn't so hard. Even in the first half of S1 you could see that he isn't that evil, that, although an asshole, he has something good in him.
I know, but then I have to choose ripper Stefan, because "your emotions are heightened"-Stefan is freaking annoying!! I'm sure they can figure out a middle ground.
ReplyDeleteFor Damon it was just a cover, because in his past emotions caused for him to get hurt.
Agree on Damon. That is why I was happy he got together with Elena. He deserves some happiness. But trust JP to ruin it. Sire bond? Of course that bitch couldn't give them some peace and happiness longer than one fucking night.
ReplyDeleteIf it's only a Klaus show (Joseph Morgan is a very talented but deserves to be on The Walking Dead), I'm not interested but if Elijah, Finn and Mikael (Sebastian Roche) are in, then maybe, but for now, I'm VERY sceptical.
ReplyDeleteI do love the Originals...
ReplyDeleteIt varies actually.
ReplyDeleteIn US TV writers are given "producer" credits (some lower ranking writers have story editing positions). In the end it's a matter of how high a producer ranking you have as a writer, and whats the hierarchy within the production team of each show specifically...
So, technically, we don't know who the boss is on TVD.
ReplyDeleteI just assumed that the producers develop the ideas with the writers, and leave the details to the writers. So, it would be naturally that the producers say: Let's keep this character or Let's get rid of that character.
Guess, you're right and it depends on your connections in the hierarchy.
I would venture a guess that JP is the boss with the veto power, so any problems with the show in general should be credited to her....
ReplyDeleteThen JP is the problem.
ReplyDeleteYou thing we could get Joss for the show? He made Buffy immortal.
I think Joss way too good to associate himself with TVD in any way, so I don't think he should go anywhere near this show for his own sake.
ReplyDeleteHey!!! This show was great (it's till good) until JP became unable to say goodbye to Klaus for more than 2 or 3 eps.
ReplyDeleteAnd Joss would bring it to a whole different level. And JP could get Originals and keep Klaus as long as she wants. That is brilliant plan!
To each his own. Personally I don't think TVD is all that great and TPTB's attachment to Klaus isn't the only thing at fault... but that's just me...
ReplyDeleteI also believe Joss deserves his OWN show, his OWN idea, his OWN baby than just walking in trying to fix some other showrunner's screw ups.
I am not watching anything on the CW, untill they stop canncelling good shows after only one season. And because they don't have the money to do the special effects. That is just Bull Shit!!!!
ReplyDeleteThey are doing perfect job on Grimm, minus a few falters there and there. Its literally, for me, what Supernatural USED to be in S1, 2 and 3(alongside first few seasons of Angel).
ReplyDeleteAgreed. Joss would have been perfect back in S2 when the show was still FIXABLE. Now? Everything is way too convulted and messed up and boring to be saved in anyway, barring a remake.
ReplyDeleteGoing by what Plec is talking in her interviews, its painfully obvious she is the problem(not to mention her racist remarks over twitter about Bonnie few months ago and her flame-baiting to induce ship wars).
ReplyDeleteWoman's favorite character has been MATT AND ELENA, for god's sake and she thinks that Book-Elena was "too boring" because "she was not modest enough"(read: had too much personality).
With all due respect, show got very bad very quickly way before Klaus - Its about the time of Masquerade when the show started to falter and be weird. And then came the winter hiatus(right after introduction of ELijah, who was such a badass back then) and then suddenly Elijah's character is entirely different and everything feels awful.
ReplyDeleteAgreed with second paragraph - which is why I am so happy he is writing SHIELD show for ABC - The Man is finally getting some recognition and some way to get his ideas out for big-execs to actually accept(since ABC execs are basically fangirling about SHIELD pilot in the interviews now).
ReplyDeleteI would love for Whedon to do a vampire romance show with a capable and strong lead female and get it to air on ABC, actually.
They threw away all of their plans somewhere mid S2(PLec even admitted that, and we had the whole S2 outline back then with no original family and various factions of Originals vying for power over the Klaus, who is a sort-of king figure of vampire society, etc).
ReplyDeleteNever read it. Can you give me more details? I'd like to know what shit she's talking now.
ReplyDeleteElena and Matt? Book Elena started as a bitch. A self-loving princess that enjoyed, how everyone loved and worshiped her. She was manipulative and selfish. Didn't they call her "Ice princess"? She changed after meeting Stefan.
If her favorite characters were Elena and Matt (I assume she meant the books), how can she say she thinks Elena was too boring? And I think, the show Elena was more boring than the book Elena. In S1. She got better.
I think JP has no clue what she's doing or saying.
No, I think (just my opinion) S2 was good too. Some things with the stone, the legend and Katerinas interest in Elena made no sense at the beginning, but then it was clear, as soon as Elijah told the truth about the originals and the circle was closed.
ReplyDeleteElijah is just a badass if he has to be. He never intended to put Elenas friends in danger. But fact is, he came to MF to use her to get to Klaus. And he intended to kill some of her friends after she crossed him (when Damon tried to dagger him).
S3 was good too. At least parts of it. The story with the hybrids was good and especially introducing the original family. JP screwed it up by just not letting Klaus go. Midseason (about ep 14 or 15) would have been perfect to close that chapter. By letting Klaus leave with his family, or locking him in a coffin, or killing him (if killing an original wouldn't kill all vamps in his line). That was (at latest) the point where it became shit. The story coming to a hold, patterns repeating, … That is where (IMO) JP ruined it. By being unable to let Klaus go. It's middle of S4 and we're still stuck with Klaus. At least she could have let him go after Elena turned. But no, the writers have to adjust the story, so Klaus can fit in.
Seriously, many people have stopped watching it after S3. And I'm not sure I'll be back for S5. Either they replace JP, or she says goodbye to Klaus. But something must change!
I think liking a story or character is very subjective. For me, they've yet to put together a single season-long mytharc or any real coherently explained underlying mythology whatsoever--they keep promising royals and keys (to who even cares at this point) and never delivering. They have cast the most uncharismatic and boring lead on TV today. Sidelined their best character. Perpetuated the ridiculously dull and go nowhere Juilette story with the second most boring bad actor playing her and tried to amp that up by bring back whiny, declawed Adalind. Monroe is the only reason to watch and he's hardly been on it this season since they brought Hank into the fold. This is not Buffy caliber in heart, story, plot, writing, or interest. It certainly has its moments and is watchable. But "perfect"? IMO Far from it.
ReplyDeleteYou mean the Originals wouldn't be related just like in the books?Seems like a decent storyline to me...
ReplyDeleteYeah I'm so glad he's finally getting the credit he deserves! It's way overdue. And I'm very happy SHIELD is happening.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't want him to do another Vampire show. He's done that.... more than just "he's done that" he's written the book on how to do it right! He can do more than just repeat himself...
Actually, I believe he has ALWAYS been too good for this show. It's not just a "the show's not good now but used to be".
ReplyDeleteFor me the show has never been good enough...