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8 Dec 2012

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78 comments:

  1. Michael Anthony Leber8 December 2012 at 03:05

    So I guess Peter is not September.

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  2. laura33418 December 2012 at 03:07

    This wasn't just an outstanding episode it was so freaking AWESOME!


    Peter and Olivia both Kicked Ass tonight! Oh gee,i need to watch it again,i was tweeting like crazy,now i need to sit and watch,be back later!


    I thought the Oracle was a good person,and she wouldn't harm Olivia..


    I'm so happy Peter took out that observer devise,but gee,i didn't think he would do it himself! Yikes that had a hurt.....Really loved this episode!

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  3. Dominick Grace8 December 2012 at 03:23

    Man, is this show spinning its wheels ... wasted episode, wasted side plot of Peter installing Observer tech. And really? Olivia is stupid enough to fall for that fake accident stunt? Oh well, at least she MacGuyvered herself out of trouble in fine style.

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  4. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 03:48

    Stupidest theory EVER. I never once thought that. it made no sense.

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  5. Michael Anthony Leber8 December 2012 at 04:06

    Except that he could've been the first Observer via Paradox.

    And it would've explained why Peter has always been so important.

    Why September cared so much about his presence.

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  6. Pablo Troncoso8 December 2012 at 04:11

    Episode 5x11 is called "The Boy Must Live", I'm guessing we'll know then

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  7. Pablo Troncoso8 December 2012 at 04:13

    Just an amazing episode! Fringe haven't had such a good one since One Night in October. My emotions were all over the place and I was really happy that Olivia's words got through Peter, and hey! Maybe his brain changed just a little bit so he could think far ahead in the future, while not abandoning his emotions (long, looong shoot, but still posible, like anything in Fringe ;) )

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  8. nellymendezcolon8 December 2012 at 04:25

    ..Very powerful but also disturbing episode by PETER side make life or death decision wasnt easy thank god OLIVIA contact him .SPEAK WITH HER HEART help him change and reunited with his soul-mate together will fight honoring there daughter IDEAS

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  9. ShatteredOne8 December 2012 at 04:30

    Awesome episode, as always, come to think of it I've very rarely ever been let down by Fringe.

    Glad Peter got a kick ass fight scene against Windmark. That move of letting himself get stabbed so he could teleport behind the other Observer then stab him was bad ass! Made me think of John McClane shooting himself to shoot the guy behind him. Anyway, that scene was awesome (and kind of along the lines of what I expected in the final Lost fight).



    Olivia also got the opportunity to kick ass with her brain and shoot "The Bullet That Saved the World" again at the guy. I had to rewatch it because it was too cool. And I'm glad that she was able to get through to Peter. I never liked or believed the Peter being the first Observer or September theories and it seems like we can put those to rest.

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  10. J8 December 2012 at 04:36

    Damn it! Olivia just made me cry at the end.

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  11. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 04:39

    Come on let's be honest here.

    It would have been a convoluted mess, not to mention that Peter has very blue eyes, and a rounded jaw, while September has hazel eyes and a sharp jaw, with, might I add, a very prominent chin dimple that Peter does not have. In other words hairlessness aside they DON'T EVEN LOOK ALIKE. This theory was so dumb, that it reminded me of all the dumb "_____ is Jacob" theories that were floating around while LOST was still running.

    It simply did not make sense. Why would September (being ex-Peter) go re-watch all his past events? I mean didn't he already live them?

    All this Peter Observer stuff was just a plot device. It was a red herring. It allowed us to experience the mechanics of being an Observer through the eyes of Peter. It gave us a ton of insight to use to read between the lines regarding what, why, and how the Observer are and came to be what they are. It also gave us important themes like a son committing the sins of the father, and it showed us that love is strong enough to keep someone from the darkside. There is hope for Walter thanks to Olivia bringing Peter back from the edge. We also know that Peter having felt the power, still prefers his emotions over the power granted from the tech. So one can glean from that that we are stronger because we care.



    Did I mention that the Peter is September theory was dumb? DUMB.

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  12. Andrew Moore8 December 2012 at 05:07

    Man that episode was awesome... Olivia is back on her A-game, she is like Walt White with a higher IQ.

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  13. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 05:30

    Always knew emotions and love (in particular Olivia's) would save Peter, but I really would have preferred if his personal emotions overcame the Observer tech instead of a rational decision to remove it being made because of Olivia's emotions. Severe let down to me.


    Honestly I think that entire arc was wasted. Obviously revenge is a fueled by emotion and the less emotional Peter got the less interested he should be in killing Windmark as revenge for Etta. Had his motivation been centered on killing Windmark to save the world it would have made more sense.

    Really hated the hijacking trap scene!
    Olivia has always been miss intuition and she just gets out all willy nilly without even a hand on her gun? So she did not trust the woman who explained her entire life (and her mom's) mission had been waiting for Olivia to help her, but she will nonchalantly stroll over to unidentified people in a secluded area knowing that the object currently in her possession (the magnet) is integral to saving the world??? Seemed oddly convenient to me to the point of being silly.

    Did enjoy more of Walter's licorice-fueled experiments.

    Also really liked Peter's maneuvering of "Heir Hatler" into the time line he desired and of course his Azazel-like fight scene with Windmark!

    Over all this was just a good episode to me and a lackluster return honestly.

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  14. Natascha ♡8 December 2012 at 05:53

    ♥AWESOME♥AWESOME♥AWESOME♥AWESOME♥AWESOME♥AWESOME♥! Did I mentioned that I find it awesome??? Finally the old Olive {alias MacDunham!} was BACK! BOOYAH!!!!!! And again keyword: FAITH!!! Have faith my dear Fringies, just like Simone! ♥

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  15. Lou8 December 2012 at 10:00

    Been saying it since 05x01 but love and humanity is most definitely the key to defeating the Observers and I am glad Olivia got through to Peter sooner rather than later.

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  16. Michael Anthony Leber8 December 2012 at 11:01

    I never said I liked the theory, I just considered it.

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  17. Michael Anthony Leber8 December 2012 at 11:01

    And you can thank God for that.

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  18. Jim Fels8 December 2012 at 12:39

    I'm pretty sure Walter White is smarter. :p

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  19. Jim Fels8 December 2012 at 12:49

    About your first point... Isn't that kind of what happened? Peter's emotions and his love for Etta were what motivated him to pull out that piece of tech, even though he was convinced that he needed it to defeat the Observers.
    I do like your second point though. That's something to think about!

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  20. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 13:55

    Good Episode!

    Some thoughts:

    Word Play - Ella, "Simon Says..." ---> Simon (Foster) ---> Simone (Oracle) ---> Some one is coming...



    What I love about the episode is that although I think Olivia is right, that there might always be an explanation to 'the mysteries of the universe' (little wink to Dharma Initiative there), even if we can't always see the origins (White Tulips), that ultimately Simone is still right, that just because you can explain something, doesn't mean that it isn't important, or doesn't mean anything, because humanity has a will and can feel deeply, we, at the very least, believe in our relationships...and it is those we love that we must hold onto and remember. (This is also the point and thought behind LOST IMO - an Island - time machine full of semi-controlled Fringe events/Astral Projections and white tulips)


    On another note this episode definitely has the hallmarks of what was presented last season when we were introduced to this amber timeline...We had this idea of "Effect Before the Cause and a few individuals who could see the immediate future, but also the way this devise can be removed in a rather simplistic manner, seemingly with no effects or real explanation of why it's so simple, goes back to how easy it was to unbridge the machines...


    I like the concept about the "True Churches"....that there would be places that once could go and confess/negotiate information where they could not be "read" or possibly harmed by the Observers....again I am reminded Lost's FS, (and The Lamp Post and Mrs. Hawking, and of course these videos are like Dharma's and go along with the idea of 'Lost's missing pieces').


    I also liked that Anil keeps showing up and that he continues to help Olivia. He;s another really nice secondary character!


    I also had a feeling Peter was out of his league with Windmark, since all Observers could also map out futures. But I ma curious that they conceive of 'right' and 'wrong', and reseted trajectories, especially when we go back to what was happening during season's one and two with September, Henry's birth, and the machines...It makes me wonder why it is the majority of them DON"T fight each other?...that they generally want the same future goal!??


    I'm Looking Foward to the next episode though and what we can eventually do with this electro magnet!

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  21. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 14:01

    Well I think that September could have ["a"] Peter's DNA...


    All of the Bishop Men in the blodline have TER (or a variation) in their first names...


    robERT, WaTER, PeTER, TREvor (<--P & O's child from alternate universe in comics), henRiETta.....Henry is the one that looses the "T" and may suggest that he is considered "bad" (to the Observers), because he breaks a pattern....


    But Peter's name fits into sEPTEmbeRs and September also has TER.

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  22. laura33418 December 2012 at 14:04

    The Human Kind


    Olivia-She is alive inside us,and there is nothing that Windmark can do about it.Because the love we can share with her is Invulnerable To Space & Time,even to them. And i know our hearts have broken and that it hurts,but that's what make us human.
    Peter-Emotion is weakness
    Olivia-No,Peter. ITS OUR STRENGTH.BECAUSE ITS THE ONLY THING THEY DON'T HAVE.

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  23. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 14:06

    This is possible!...I always thought that "a" Peter was (originally) clone of Walter and that he and the machine(s) (the way we see them presented in our more current time lines) could all suggest 'pre-Observer' tech from the time line of their creation....it would explain why only "one" would would survive into adulthood, and why the Observers would try an illuminate him from time by choosing 'balance' (death)...

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  24. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 14:11

    He just suggested in his second response, that perhaps a Peter was once the first Observer (outside of September)...It actually would make sense....we have a a lot of time lines that have manifested since the Observers "home" time line....there could be many "white tulips" that we can't see that explain Peter's journey with both the machine, becoming an Observer now, and Olivia...If we go back to "August", we might see an idea of a "missing love story".....An Observer that wasn't designed to love or have compassion, does and is willing to die for her....

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  25. laura33418 December 2012 at 14:14

    Yeah,Olivia getting out of the truck was a bit hard to swallow, so out of character.

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  26. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 14:38

    I think that he did over come it because of his emotions, but I also think it was his emotions that were driving him to seek revenge, as I still think that Observers have emotions, despite that perhaps they may be considered more primal ones, despite the physical advancement...If they wouldn't "care" at all, there would be no reason to have reason, no group organization, no need to experiment, no need to be generally loyal to each other...so I think it's more about not being able to have compassion and loosing some individuality, as opposed to not having any emotion.

    There have been a few people out side the series that have had immidiate forsight (Milo Stanfield) and a few specifically in season 4....It's the Casimir effect (effect before the cause) and the lack of some explanations to being able to just 'remove' things (Bridge/Peter's neck/brain implant) that continue to have me skeptical of the quantum mechanic nature of the amber time line(s)

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  27. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 14:40

    Disagree a bit. It appeared like there was a dead girl inbetween the cars. Olivia has always had great compassion, and considering she was just reminded that she lost her daughter and to hold onto her, I can see why she would go an check out the scene. Olivia wants to believe in the love she feels.

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  28. overandback8 December 2012 at 15:17

    I'm afraid if it had been any later it would have been too late. The way Peter was talking and the movements of his head were very close to being an Observer. He may very well of had his revenge on Windmark,but a leader can be replaced. After that with his new way of reasoning becoming complete,would he begin thinking the Observers were better? I agree, it is great that the entire team will be thinking and reasoning like like regular humans again.

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  29. laura33418 December 2012 at 15:32

    Oh yes!Olivia has a great deal of compassion,but she also has good intuition which let her down twice in this episode.once,with the Orcale and the second with the girl/dummy.I attribute to Etta dying.But when she was pulling out the bullet from the wood something clicked in her mind and now she seems to be back to herself with all her senses focused on Peter and getting rid of the Observers.

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  30. laura33418 December 2012 at 15:38

    I like how Peter although he loves his farther didn't take out the devise,no matter what Walter had been telling him about what he was becoming,but Olivia got through.Her love is strong enough,Etta's love is strong enough to get through to Peter,that he FELT and realized Olivia was right....just like you,DarthLocke4 have been saying all along!!

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  31. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 16:05

    Good point about Walter respecting Peter's choice! I think you're right that it is "significant" and important, because Walter has changed...

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  32. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 16:08

    Well I think Olivia goes through cycles...cycles where when Peter goes off she turns a blind eye and just carries on 'the mission'...So I think she was still in that mode after Etta's death, until the Oracle made her realize that maybe she fails the missions that should be more important, because she's scared to admit what she really feels.

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  33. kyriakosmp8 December 2012 at 16:34

    This is definitely the best episode of the season, and one of the best overall.

    Olivia was back in her top form and got to do some major kickass stuff. I've been waiting for this ever since the season began. It was very obvious that she was on the sidelines since 5x01 but now she's finally back...!

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  34. Nathan Scott8 December 2012 at 17:18

    I totally agree, that Walter and Bells research (along with several other 'fringe event' scientists) are responsible for the observer tech.

    They need to bring back, Donald long, Sam Weiss, John Scott, Bell, September and IMO most importantly John Moseley. (If there is not a good scene with Moseley or atleast referencing him or others like him, I will feel cheated like with lost) because Moseley is one of the few characters that can bring this full circle now.

    Sadly I doubt any of those guys are coming back, after 5/08s ending, I'm disappointed I feel there was a lot more observer inside information to be explored...

    But I think September is coming back I'm 90% certain it was micheal cervais's (in gray suit/hat) with his back to the camera in one of the ffilming photographs.

    I'll finish by saying Fringe is definatly one of the best series of all time.

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  35. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 17:50

    I think the reason they do not fight one another is the collective hive mentality. The "Queen" has her orders and the drones follow...

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  36. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 18:01

    I think you are spot on...
    To Peter still remembered how he felt for Olivia (more than he truly "Felt" for Olivia). Because of that memory, Peter "realized" Olivia was right and made a rational decision that he did not want to lose how he once felt for Olivia (and Etta).


    If it were an emotional decision he would have reacted differently, struggled. Instead he paused, thought and then removed the Observer tech in a very rational way, before becoming emotional about how he feels about Olivia AFTER removing the tech.

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  37. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 18:06

    I think the lack of real connection to the Fringe mythology or more accurately to the past 4 seasons of Fringe is much of what bothers many people about this season.


    I too would like them to find a way to more directly connect the "past" to the current and John Moseley would be PERFECT.

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  38. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 18:15

    I agree Olivia is compassionate and has been on a mission to save humanity for the most recent part of her life, that is why I found her ignoring the fact she was on a mission that was integral to saving humanity was odd.


    I also agree that Olivia saw a girl's (Etta) body on the road and wanted to help.... that was partly what was so convenient to me. The hijackers has the one dummy that could remind Olivia of Etta. The one dummy they have just happens to be of a 20-something fair-skinned blonde that even dresses like their target's recently lost daughter?

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  39. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 18:48

    "T" "E" and "R" are the most commonly used letters in the English language.
    As for Henry perhaps his middle name would have been Tyrone since uncle Linc would have helped raise him giving him a T,R,E in that name. ;P

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  40. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 18:54

    Like I said. Too convoluted. I'm to the point that I'm just going along with what the show is telling us, not what other potential Peters might have done. If the show wanted us to go that deep it would have taken us there. Not that fanfic is bad, but it is what it is.

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  41. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 18:58

    Regarding September coming back; Here take a look at this twitter link:


    https://twitter.com/jwg1991/status/268858400685846529


    It suggests that September is dead. But that doesn't prevent our favorite baldy coming back in a flashback.

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  42. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 18:59

    Really? God wrote that episode title?

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  43. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 19:01

    Anyone else think this Anil Character would have been Simon if Henry Ian Cusick would have come back to the show?

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  44. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 19:56

    Yep.
    I wondered that to myself last night and concluded he "is" Simon, just recast and renamed after HIC was determined to be unavailable.

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  45. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 20:51

    I'm glad i'm not the only one who was thinking that last night.

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  46. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 21:06

    Who knows though, maybe Simon was written to be a one episode role and that is the reason HIC felt he could take the role...


    Had HIC been back I think the Anil role would have stayed Simon and been more substantial consisting of more than just scavenging and sourcing materials....but I do think it's basically the same role.

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  47. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 21:15

    But in terms of every Bishop offspring presented is too much of a coincidence, especially when we think about DNA sequencing like ZFT

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  48. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 21:16

    If we are god, then yes.

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  49. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 21:22

    September's Notebook (or the Fringe Encyclopedia) is coming out tentavely in January, it says it will be looking at "new" truths and taking a closer look at the amber time line (and red universe(s)....If the Amber time line is ethereal, a type of Bardo plane, that is equivalent of the accumulation of time lines, by not making full corporeal sense by being indirect, it then points out 'the white tulip' factor of the mythology. Even in Peter and the Machine, we are able to come to understand how (many) other Peter's have existed before ours, with ours coming to face to face and experiencing the memories of a previous one.


    It might point out why we experience the oneness of Peter, when the truth of it,might be complicated...things they ran out of time to get to, but are important to more truly understand it's presentation...

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  50. DarqueMode8 December 2012 at 21:27

    I honestly don't think it is just compassion or love the Observers are lacking, I think it is all emotion. Sure the traces of the humanity in them (or the humans they evolved from) does allow the Observers to have "reflex" emotions, but I do not think they are emotional in the traditional sense. They may react to something, but their rational thought process will take over almost immediately.

    Ignoring the "flawed" Observers like August and September I cannot recall any lingering emotional outbursts or motivations in an Observer off hand. I have seen flickers of anger etc, but it goes away almost as fast as it appears. Then again maybe that could also be chalked up to very human actors attempting to portray the very stoic Observers... unintended leak through.

    As for the foresight, that is interesting.....
    IT certainly could be a sign of Peter being within the Machine still, but it could just be offspring of Cortexiphan kids, other experiments or even just random talents I guess....

    I go forth and back as to whether or not Peter is still in the Machine ... The one thing playing against me thinking Peter is still within the Machine is that I would think that more "bleed through" would occur and more of this season would be related to the first 4 seasons. I mean in a very concrete and direct way, not the symbolic or more obscure connections we have seen.



    Maybe I'm just flat out wrong on that though.... Not too much longer until we will find out!

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  51. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 21:37

    Yep me too. I wish that after shows finish up showrunners would publish a book on all the dropped plots, and chageroos. I would by those books.

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  52. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 21:43

    Is September's Notebook going to be considered canonical? I'd be interested in it if it were, but not so much if it isn't. I can't remember what was said regarding this. I need to go research it.

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  53. Ricky Terry8 December 2012 at 21:46

    Girl you just won't let me get away with being cynical today will ya? LOL!

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  54. DarthLocke48 December 2012 at 22:46

    I believe so....

    Official Synopsis From Amazon:

    "Delve into television’s most otherworldly phenomenon! Fringe: September’s Notebook is a uniquely in-world collection that explores the intricate destinies of Walter Bishop, Peter Bishop, and Olivia Dunham. Gathered by the Observer known only as “September,” these pages reveal new truths about the Fringe Division and Massive Dynamic. The book also closely examines the Amber timeline and the alternate universe “Over There.”

    Packed with concept art, exclusive photos, and intriguing ephemera, September’s Notebook will satisfy every serious fan’s hunger for details about the Observers, quirks and little-known facts about each character, insight into Fringe Science, and much more. “Easter eggs” throughout build on the many symbols and codes woven into the show’s fabric, uncovering truths never before revealed.

    With its layered storytelling, well-rendered characters, and complex overarching narrative, Fringe is the ideal show around which to publish, and Fringe: September’s Notebookprovides a totally immersive reading experience."

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  55. DarthLocke49 December 2012 at 00:37

    Well she always has put her family aside a lot of times. I don't think she really responded to Etta as warmly as maybe she could have or should have, but at the same time it's been obvious the Olivia avoids showing too many warm feelings to adults for a lot traumatic childhood issues.


    But I suppose you're right that it was a little convenient ..and perhaps only time will tell if it was some how a partially staged event, or actually something more macro cosmic (fate) in the universe....

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  56. DarthLocke49 December 2012 at 00:42

    Well I might just be able to slow you down...but I doubt I can totally stop you. (You just need to take the device out of the back of your neck!) ;)

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  57. Ricky Terry9 December 2012 at 02:04

    Thankx!

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  58. Cliff9 December 2012 at 04:49

    I wasn't a fan of this episode either. The whole Observer tech arc felt like filler and as if it was only done to a) get the fans excited for no reason, b) fill up the remaining episodes, c) thwart even more Observer history as we knew it.


    This season has only had 8 episodes so far, but it feels like its dragging on with no clear goal ahead, scrapping lots of characterisation and sense we once had in its wake.

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  59. TayaP79 December 2012 at 09:06

    I've been thinking about the Observers' "way of life" (don't know how to say it differently). I think that because of their expanded cerebral cortex they finally come to their senses and realized that there is no point in fighting each other (the mistake we humans repeatedly make). They invaded our planet, our timeline you might say, and have they killed for it? Oh yes. But they didn't eradicate the whole human race. They know there is no point to it. They did exactly what they need to do to gain power. And then they contorolled the rest of us (Natives, and Loyasits too) with fear. Remember the Observer from "An Origin Story", the way he compared us to the ant colony - they don't care what we do, as long as we don't stand in their way, as long as they can control us.

    So, having already conquered the whole planet, I think they've proven what they are capable of. They don't have to show it all the time. For example, in this episode when Peter disabled Windmarks elevator, it was kind of silly to see him frustrated over it, considering he could easily manipulate time and space. But I think it's smart from them that they don't show thier abilities all the time, imagine what it would be like if all Observers teleported all the time - the complete mess, at least for us. They need to respect order, because that's their law, they made it that way. It gives people hope, not in the way that makes you feel safe and whole, but it makes you to get up in the morning, to do your job, to accept that it's the way it is, to respect it because others do too. Little hope is good, but too much can be disastrous (and that's where the Fringe team comes in). Every political system is made of hierarchy, they need lower classes and higher classes, especially in totalitraian society.

    Having said that, I still don't know why the Observers aren't able to find the Fringe Team in the lab. I know that they are not like the science team from S1-S4, but they still can manipulate time. I think it would be more intense if they had more trouble going around. But the story is building up pretty great and I'm not bothered by it that much, so I won't be a nitpicker, but it would be interesting if they adressed it somehow in future.

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  60. laura33419 December 2012 at 14:48

    Yes,i would also like more of a connection.I have been reading other sites and comments from people on twitter,many people feel this season is not the Fringe,not the same characters they had as in the past.I find that strange considering how many different iterations we already had! I wonder why this season is different to so many? Many because its the end? A short season?



    If they do not make the connection to the past i won't be that disappointed,its been a fantastic ride,i would just like to see,or at least a reference to September. I think he was at the party for the 100th,if so maybe he was also their to film a little something?

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  61. laura33419 December 2012 at 14:49

    Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D


    That was GREAT! :)

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  62. laura33419 December 2012 at 14:50

    By now you should know better! :)

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  63. DarthLocke49 December 2012 at 15:12

    I think you are right and it makes the most sense...but I also know that there is "The Ministry of Science" aspect, as they use humanity to experiment (and we have churches and "true churches") --To me it seems to indicate "Revenge" by presenting theological dogma in the name of science being 'God'.


    It feels very much like Vulcan logic to me, where they pretend they are superior, because they have "self control" , but ultimately they do have more human motivations and do manipulate.

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  64. DarqueMode9 December 2012 at 16:21

    I think I had COMPLETELY different expectations than most going into this season after last year!

    I expected a very heavy serialized season with no Red verse, no Peter in the Machine, no direct continuation of the past 4 seasons, and that the 4x19 Letters of Transit intro would be used for the season. On the last count I was right, but the rest remains to be seen of course.

    I just felt from what the producers said before last year's finale that the Season 4 finale ended that chapter of Fringe and with it the continuity of seasonal arcs was also done. Season 5 would be separate side-story dealing with the events in 4x19.

    I will be surprised if they bring too much of the past mythology into the season I guess. I expect the entire season to be about freeing 2035 from the Observer occupation and thereby saving humanity.... and that's it.

    I would not mind September or John Moseley showing up though. I always loved Moseley's character and felt he was from the future. His pulse gun certainly fits into him being part of the Resistance or at least from that era.

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  65. TayaP79 December 2012 at 17:36

    Good point on the Ministry of Sceince. We do know that they are doing some kind of experiments, like Manfretti said (kind of reimind me of Josef Mengele and Alfred Eichmann's nazi experiments), but it could be also that they want to find more about us. They are, after all, from 2609 AD, and we do know that they sent the sceintific team to observe us, but I think that is one of the major question too - why they were doing it? (probably to prepare the timeline for the invasion) who were they taking orders from? are they anyhow conected with Windmark and the company? how were they communicating with others from the future (or were they actually doing it)? etc., etc.

    I agree with you on your second paragraph. I believe that the Observers have a strong sense of self-preservation. I think that Windmark is the best example for that:
    1. When he was questioning Walter, first thing he do when he heard that the air controll was breached - he left the room in hurry, pretty scared, and he didn't even stop to secure Walter as the prisoner.
    2. When he saw that Etta was holding anti-matter bomb in her hand - he teleported alone, without letting the rest of the team know what the hell was going on (I know the time was short, but he could at least yell)
    You can tell from that that he would do pretty much anything to save himself, and also use others to get what he wants, and take great pleasure in that (like he did in letting Peter know that he was in control of his own and Peter's actions). I think all of them would be teriffied if they lost control of their actions, or the control over society - here comes the totalitarian way - fear and control (" Heed - Obey - Serve"). Kind of remind me of the great, but evil, leaders before, like you said.

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  66. Ricky Terry9 December 2012 at 19:58

    I know right.

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  67. DarthLocke49 December 2012 at 21:18

    Exactly!!! :D

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  68. omabin10 December 2012 at 00:55

    finally watched it. I actually thought the storyline of the episode itself was weaker than the previous two but that ending scene was one of my favorite scene from fringe, ever. It was just brilliant. I liked it so much. It was the perfect way to bring peter back (although i suspect it was already too late). The acting was top notch and the writing for the whole episode, to have olivia believing was amazing

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  69. Linlighthouse10 December 2012 at 04:41

    I also thought that. I wish it had been HIC. It would have made a better story if the one helping them was Etta's partner.

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  70. HoH810 December 2012 at 07:07

    Thank You writers for hearing our prayers and NOT making our Peter Bald....☺.....

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  71. Stupot81511 December 2012 at 02:41

    Sorry, Peter, but I thought you wre trying to save the world, don't go soft on us now! This was a dreay episode. This whole 'we have to do it for Etta' broken record is the worst part of this season. Why should I care about Etta? She was in the show for like 5 episodes. I know they are trying to drill home the themes of love and emotion conquering all, but Peter was within seconds of being able to kill Windmark and decided against it because he loves his dead daughter? I might be in the minority, but I think this was one sacrafice he really should have been willing to risk.

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  72. Stupot81511 December 2012 at 02:50

    I've trained myself to think of this season more as a spin-off show rather than a continuation. It's not bad, in fact it's mostly very good (bar the soppy Etta crap), but it's not Fringe.

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  73. GraceStephanie12 December 2012 at 14:26

    oh my. Polivia made me cry at the end...sobs. Love the ending.

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  74. iEVA bRoWn13 December 2012 at 21:49

    I love this show, enjoying every moment, but... I am struggling to see where the answers are and how everything ties in with Seasons 1-3 and how on earth with only so few episodes left we are going to get a satisfying end... kind of LOST feeling here. The season is great, but just feels like it's only half way through the journey and will need another two or three seasons really because I have more questions with every episode and not many answers. I just don't want Fringe to end...

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  75. prpleight14 December 2012 at 21:25

    Hmm, I interpreted that final scene just a little bit differently. For me it wasn't all about Etta. I saw it as Peter aborted his plan because of his love for Olivia and his father.

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  76. prpleight14 December 2012 at 21:38

    Awesome ep for me. (Finally caught up yay) Jonathan Jackson's performance continued to be awesome. Not sure I really believe he would have beaten Windmark. It's one thing to go up against an experienced Observer who doesn't know you're coming and completely different to go up against one of their high ranking officers who knows you're out there.


    I have been freaking out about Observer Peter since he stuck that think in his head. I knew he was going to begin to lose himself and that that would keep him from Olivia...what I hadn't thought about was how much it would mean for Walter. Peter and Walter's relationship has always been one of the major elements of the show and being reminded that this relationship was at stake as well just raised my dread level. This set of episodes has been awesome.

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  77. Stupot81515 December 2012 at 00:01

    True perhaps, But we're talking about the same guy that 2 seasons ago stepped into the Machine in front of Olivia and Walter, not knowing whether he was going to come out alive or not (and even managing to get himself vanished from existence at one point) in order to try to save 2 UNIVERSES. Now he's only trying to save one poxy planet and suddenly he loses his bottle.

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  78. prpleight15 December 2012 at 06:02

    It's very difficult to argue when you put it like that.

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