'Fringe' spoilers: Flash forward to the year 2609 in 'The Boy Must Live' -- plus, who will be sacrificed?
In the most recent episode, we barely had time to recover from Nina's death when it was revealed that Donald, Walter's mysterious partner in his quest to save the world, was actually September, our favorite Observer. In "The Boy Must Live," some of the biggest questions about September are finally answered when we reunite with the one who started it all.
The episode is best described as a gift to longtime fans of the show, returning to the core themes of the first season and packed with callbacks to memorable early moments, of both the heartwarming and heartbreaking variety. While we've been sworn to secrecy on some of the big twists, we can tell you six things to expect as we approach the series finale of one of the most underrated shows on television.
1. Olivia gets an eyeful. In the first of many callbacks to the pilot episode, Walter goes into the sensory deprivation tank to pull memories of September from his subconscious. He's not a fan of the swim trunks he's supposed to be wearing, though. "They were too restrictive. My body needs to be as free and open as my mind is so I can find September," he tells Olivia. It's good to know that even with his brain intact, Walter is still Walter.
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In the most recent episode, we barely had time to recover from Nina's death when it was revealed that Donald, Walter's mysterious partner in his quest to save the world, was actually September, our favorite Observer. In "The Boy Must Live," some of the biggest questions about September are finally answered when we reunite with the one who started it all.
The episode is best described as a gift to longtime fans of the show, returning to the core themes of the first season and packed with callbacks to memorable early moments, of both the heartwarming and heartbreaking variety. While we've been sworn to secrecy on some of the big twists, we can tell you six things to expect as we approach the series finale of one of the most underrated shows on television.
1. Olivia gets an eyeful. In the first of many callbacks to the pilot episode, Walter goes into the sensory deprivation tank to pull memories of September from his subconscious. He's not a fan of the swim trunks he's supposed to be wearing, though. "They were too restrictive. My body needs to be as free and open as my mind is so I can find September," he tells Olivia. It's good to know that even with his brain intact, Walter is still Walter.
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I can't stand the idea of another character dying!!! noooo!!! This sounds great though, sad we have to wait till 11th
ReplyDeleteWe still have Astrid, Broyles and Anil (this one mostly) to die. lol
ReplyDelete#6: It was nice knowing you Broyles. LLAP
ReplyDeleteWOAH!!!!!!!!! I was always hoping DNA was a possible link with our Observer friends and the characters! This sounds like one of the BEST episodes EVER!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI read up to number one than stopped......will not spoil,i will not spoil,i will not spoil.......
ReplyDeleteI'm torn because it almost sounds like this characters death is apart of the plan...although Astrid and Philip sound like great candidates, I could see it being one of the three...
ReplyDeleteHa! I thought I would try, but I failed, miserably I might add!
ReplyDeleteI was still writing while you posted so of course after seeing WHOA!!!! I See its all your fault!!!! ;)
ReplyDeleteDon't forget to click on that star to your right! ...............see over here..
ReplyDeleteBut if the plan is to 'reset time' I guess whoever dies will be back. Like Jones and others.
ReplyDeleteIf they fix time all-together, I hope that we get a scene with Peter/Olivia/Henrietta, and a quick flash to Olivia/Lincoln/Henry (because those guys deserve a happy ending too, dammit.)
ReplyDeleteBig spoilers in there, I wish i hadn't read it
ReplyDeleteYep! I'm not going to sweat it!
ReplyDeleteI don't want September to die. He's one of the best characters of the shows. Never liked Etta.
ReplyDeleteHoly shit! We might even get some answers? :o
ReplyDeleteI hope if it resets we go back to the former time line and not just somewhere within the amberverse, because I would like to think Henry deserves to exist too!
ReplyDeleteYeah but that sucks because there is no weight to it if it ends up like this. Not that I want Walter, Peter, or Liv to die, or even Astrid and September, for that matter. Of course however if one of them does need to die, then it needs to be final so it has emotional weight.
ReplyDeleteIt depends. I think "if" there is a lesson learned...like someone sacrifices themselves, but who's ever left, like Peter and Olivia lets say, decides that they shouldn't go through with the plan, not this way...then BAM that is what actually resets the time line/ or Peter comes out of the machine, then I think it would be acceptable.
ReplyDeleteYeah but the more I think about the whole Peter still in the machine ending, the less I want it to happen. Really I don't want any kind of reset at all to happen. That is unless of course somehow the characters who went through all this adversity were somehow aware of the reset in the end, and not like season 4 where they were all clueless to it, except one guy, and the Observers. The ending is gonna be make or break for me, if they use the reset scenario.
ReplyDeleteYes, mom. :P
ReplyDelete:D I am trying to get Fringe up to #1 in the pop poll,not that it means all that much,but it would still be nice considering we only have two more times to do it and see,people clicked on it! Usually we only have 4 stars... :p
ReplyDeleteI think at the very least there could be a white tulip at the end to prove that there was progress/change. Something tells me someone will remember something...
ReplyDeleteI think he's dead already considering he got caught by two observers (5x03, the recordist showed it)
ReplyDeleteI want them rewarded too, but to simply erase everything, and ignorance is bliss like the guy in the Matrix is a cop-out, and will make me think; How did Walter, and Bell and the future of humanity at large, learn from their mistakes? Starting the choose your own adventure book over when you don't like the ending you get is what it will be like to me if the so called reset isn't handled just right. Don't get me wrong, I'm not worried about characters dying, if it is for good reason, but if there IS a good reason then I don't want it to be negated in the next 2 or 3 hours of the show, unless like I said, there is some held over memory. What good is hitting the reset button if it can all happen again to you other timeline selves?
ReplyDeleteI heard a theory a few years ago that I found interesting, dunno who said it. Essentially, it went that in the series finale, we'd go back to 1985 and Walter would somehow see everything that would happen if he crossed over; and he decided not to. BUT, on the other side, Walternate decided to come over HERE.
ReplyDeleteOn the surface, it seems like a total cop-out, given that everything that happened would happen again and again ("All this has happened before, and all this will happen again" comes to mind); but it would fit in with what September said about Peter (from Redverse) and Olivia (from Blueverse) being destined for one another. For that to happen, there HAS to be a crossover of some sort.
I guess I'd be ok if the cortexiphan trials still happened, and Blue Olivia ends up crossing over to the red verse, (since she can naturally due to cortexiphan) and meets a grown up Peter, then they all live happily ever after (because they all remember this screwed up timeline with the Observers). I just think that any tearing of the fabric of the universes will end up with similar results as what we've been seeing.
ReplyDeleteThe Cortexiphan trials occurred in 1981, if I remember season 1 correctly. But who knows? Anything but an afterlife waiting-room...
ReplyDeleteLOL! yeah, no flashsideways world would be awesome.
ReplyDeleteBecause 1. it might not happen again, because evolution (cycles) has shifted and changed. If there are problems, it may no longer be their problem.
ReplyDelete2. Because even in a fate orientated universes uncertainty principal should hold true. There are never any garenties, only times of probable reoccurence.
3. Both those ideas are promoting pro-humanism in terms of "mystery of the universe" and when there is a will, there is a way.
4. Like I said, I think there will be white tulips to prove things, but not having to live with the burden is the reward and part of the cycle of change.
5. The point would be that "WE" know that they changed everything (like an Observer), and that gives "US" hope that we can change, because this is a LOVE LETTER (a memory--a white tulip) TO US!!!. -And true to Bad Robot this ending would be bittersweet.
I still think amber timeline could be so...
ReplyDeleteIf it is I will pawn off my DVDS like I did with LOST, and that'll be the end of my relationship with bad robot. Just saying. You know I have been one of the biggest Fringe fans from the beginning, and saying what I just said holds a lot of weight considering that.
ReplyDeleteEndings are what makes or breaks a series, movie, book, video game, etc..., as a whole. LOST's ending was terrible to me, and it was not due to misunderstanding it, because I full get what they were serving. I actually hated the entire sixth season of LOST, and due to these personal facts, LOST, and I got divorced. I have not watched or even wanted to watch a single frame of it after re-watching the entire final season and ending on DVD once through after seeing it on TV.
Fringe has easily been 10 times the show LOST was in my opinion, and that is because they have answered the majority of mysteries they crafted throughout the series. LOST failed on that and it peeved me off to no end. I felt like I wasted my time for 6 years.
I have for the most part held my comments about Fringe since season 3 ended, but I honestly hated much of season 4, and found it excruciatingly redundant. There were parts that I found watchable, but for the most part I wish season 4 happened a lot differently than it did. Conversely I am really liking season 5, but I have very certain expectations for where I want it to end as a long time fan, and those expectation are vastly different than yours are, if your theories are related to your expectations.
Of course I will withhold final judgment until the last frame airs, and the little red wobot crosses my tv screen.
Well I loved the Eastern Philosophy aspects of Lost and how they used it's concepts for the FS (glimpse into the future of the next time line in which they had forgotten the past, but was forced to remember the past so they could move onto together to that up and coming future)
ReplyDeleteI thought it was beautiful that an Island (a time machine) housed an ethereal plane (collective conscience) that was a bridge between corporeal lifetimes and that as long as there is an Island with a heart, there is never an end or for humanity. Death was just a stepping stone. The writers remained true to the concept by pointing out the idea that we don't have know everything to be progressive or eventually get to a better place.
I like season 4, because I love the empirical aspect that yet another type of flash sideways (corporeal or ethereal) presented itself to us to make us think about the universe(s) and human identity in terms of variables and what would happen if those variables were rearranged. -But because we still don't really understand the purpose of that rearrangement and "if" Peter's decision really mattered or not, it becomes hard to see what it really means, but the ending, if it still relates to that decision, has the capacity to change my perception of the season...although I liked a lot of the individualized concepts presented.
Great idea! I just did that. :)
ReplyDeleteCool! Try to remember on all the other posts for Fringe that should happen to come our way between now and the 18th. :)
ReplyDeleteWell, I've been thinking about the whole reset time thing.. and maybe they're not resetting it completely but remove the observer-future of 2609?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how but the Observers must have connected their future to the past.. otherweise they would fade to exist the moment they invaded.. nor not?
My point is: They would alter their past and by doing that they would never be created.. or were they created by this exact situation? The Observers creating themselves (indirectly?) over and over again? *Time paradoxes are confusing!!*
So maybe it's about resetting/removing the connection so their future does what it needs to (well, fade to exist) and they remain in 2036.
Not likely, but possible.
Observer-free-2015 sounded nice to me a first but how would that be possible? If they reset time and the Observers are just gone, there wouldn't be an ambler-like-2015. There wouldn't be our red-blue-timeline either because that timeline was already altered by the Observers.
Maybe we'll get to see the original timeline (well, the one before the show starts) without ANY intervention.
Walternate heals Peter successfully, Walter doesn't cross over.
This would also mean that there's no machine then. Also Walter doesn't need to return Peter to Redverse.. and maybe the Cortexiphan trials wouldn't be finished ever?
Maybe Olivia crossed over and needs to see Bolivia and Alt!Lincoln because she needs to know if they would sacrifice the existence of their possible children and their love. Who knows, maybe they're happier and more in love than POlivia ever was?
Or maybe they just need support from Redverse, which is exactly what I hoped for. Redverse saving the day.. would be awesome!
Just needed to write it down. My head is full of Fringe theories and ideas for one last time. :)
PS. I hope Baby-Henry will exist, too. I think he deserves it.. and the bolivia birth scene was.. beautiful!
Will do. :)
ReplyDeleteLol,i think we have all done that at one time or another! ;)
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