Hannah is completely right in the second clip. Maybe by the end of the episode Deb's going to realize this and be the one put the final nail in the coffin + help Laguerta arrest Dexter? She's been clouded by her 'love' for Dexter all season, she even said something like she should've arrested him when she found him. She knows deep down that she should've arrested him. Deb is the law, she is a cop, she does the right thing - that is who she is. And in her way she'll probably think arresting Dexter is the only way to protect him at that point. But she'll probably give him a chance to run..
In terms of Hannah, I'm positive she didn't poison Deb - it was either Deb herself or Arlene. 'Cause I mean, come on. I don't even need to explain why, it's just way too obvious and convenient. I think Hannah genuinely loves and cares for Dexter, enough to not reveal anything about him. Maybe Dexter will find out Hannah didn't poison Deb and he'll help her escape, in the promo he kisses her possibly slipping her something to make her appear dead so she can escape? 'Cause there's also a shot of Hannah walking free outside of Dexter's apartment..
I need somebody put me into a coma and wake me up next Sunday just in time for the finale.
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I agree with you, I know that Deb said with emphasis that she would do anything to get Hannah out of the picture but does that include risking her life? How could she possibly have known she would survive the crash? Which is why I think Arlene is also a possibility, from the scene she had with Hannah she knew that Deb would be a constant problem that wouldn't go away..
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Yes, I don't think Hannah poisoned her but I dont think it was Deb either. If she had poised the bottle she would drunk it when behind her desk, not while behind the wheels(especially since she knows how fast those pills are). But the only thing is that I doubt that Arlene is smart enough to do that, I mean the woman is a junkie so you really expect her to know what the pills can do to Deb, to break into her appartement and to poison her? I think Hannah might have asked her to poison Deb, that way when faced to Dexter, she'd be able to say " I didn't poison her, I never failed when I do" and actually mean it.
That's another possibility, but I really doubt it.. That still would be a real stupid move for Hannah - she's the only one with motive to kill Deb, so it would go around back to her anyway, Dexter would end up suspecting her. Hannah isn't stupid, she knows the consequences of hurting Dexter's sister.
Arlene could've just snuck into Deb's house, saw the pills (common sense that, a lot = bad), put them in the water bottle.
j h Exactly my thoughts after i watched the episode.There's no way Hannah could poison Debra,she was right Dexter should know of all people that she never fails,if she meant killing Debra,she would be dead.I believe Debra did it herself,cz she did say she would do anything it takes to protect Dexter from Hannah.Anything means even risking her own life.You know how much Dexter loves Hannah,i wner what Deb has to say when Dexter finds out about it.
I just feel really hurt for Hannah she means it when she says she loves Dexter.I never believed Hannah poisoned Debra never,but When she said to Dexter "You should have killed me" is when i knew for sure she didn't do it,I mean even i could tell she didn't poison Debra,how could Dexter be so stupid,just jumping to conclusion.
So much is going on in the promo for finale,that i don't even know what to make of it.Would Dexter kill Laguerta,would he find out that Hannah is innocent and would turn himself in only get Hannah out of there(cz they do kiss).Dexter said maybe you can never trust a poisoner,but after what dexter did to Hannah would she be able to trust him again? I can come up with 10 different stories for the finale and all of them would fit perfectly.I just wanna close my eyes and when i open them again i want the finale playing on my PC.
Well, the first SP shows what I've been thinking all along. He's not a complete sociopath. If he were, he wouldn't care for Deb or his son or anything, just to run away so he could keep on killing. But I must say, I like the idea of Dex, Deb and Harry as happy family hunting killers.
I do wonder why Hannah isn't going to testify against Dex to get a deal. She did it before. But, well, she doesn't have any proof and as she said, no one would believe her. Besides: Why that grin? Unlike her Dexter kills killers and not innocent people like her. That’s why, Hannah love, is Deb arresting you and not Dexter.
I Agree with you. That is why Deb is having nightmares and is taking medication. She knows that it should be the right thing to arrest Dex. But she can't put her brother down. No matter that she loves him as man and as brother. But I think it's more than that. She knows that what he does is right. Till a certain point. She's a cop long enough to realize that sometimes police can do nothing but let the killer go and hope he makes a mistake when he kills next time. I believe, that she would arrest Dex if he would kill an innocent person. I thought about Deb doing the poisoning herself. I have my doubts, but it's a possibility. My doubts: Deb is not the manipulating, lying type. She's honest and direct. Besides, as Sharon said it, it was a risk sitting in the car while she passed out. She could have done it right before she came to the parking lot or her office. She could have died in that crash. Would she take that risk? The possibility: I think people do many things if they're desperate enough. Deb was desperate. To put Hannah in prison, to protect her brother form her. Wanna know my secret for the week between eps? Watch other shows or read a book. Makes a week pass faster.
I think you're right. Arlene may be desperate, but she isn't smart enough. She seems to me more the type that uses a knife or a gun. Or … What, if she's pretending? Pretending to be the stupid junkie? Ever watched the movie Wild things? Neve seemed like the junkie slut that is too stupid to pass high school. Turned out, she was genius and the person who set it all up. In that case she would use poison, knowing, that everyone would suspect Hannah. Hannah could have asked her, true. Like: I did you a favor, now you do me one. Hannah could have told her what to do. But do you think Hannah is stupid enough? She must know that if Deb is poisoned, Dex would suspect her first. Especially when she visits Deb the evening before. In that case she would have told Arlene to stab or shoot her. Or set the house on fire. But I must say that this was sloppy work for Hannah. IF it was her.
I agree that Deb COULD have done it to get to Hannah. But why risking her life like that? She could take the pills (the water, whatever) right before she comes to the parking lot or her office. She would still pass out, probably end up in the hospital and could blame Hannah. What if she had died in that crash? No matter how desperate Deb is to get to Hannah. Would she kill herself for that? If she would have take it to pass out behind the wheel (to make it look more dangerous and serious) wouldn't she be safer in town? With the traffic there she wouldn't drive so fast, so smaller chances to get seriously hurt. But I must say that this was sloppy work for Hannah. IF it was her.
You gotta agree that Hannah is a perfectionist when it comes to killing,so giving the fact that Debra not only survived the poison (or whatever) she only broke her wrist,which is a bit miraclish if you see that she was almost unconcious when the accident happened. She might have faked the accident and take the pills later to make it look like it really was Hannah's work.
O.K., don't get me wrong, but this is going too far. Deb causing the accident and drink the water later? To me it's already hard to believe that Deb would drug herself to get to Hannah. But causing an accident? Well, it would explain why nothing happened to her. The crush was under her control before she passed out.
The think that makes no sense in that scenario: Deb is not the type that would go so far. Lie and manipulate her brother. Besides: I just thought about it. She was on her way to Arlene, right? Why would she go so far and almost kill herself? She still hoped Arlene would testify against Hannah.
Yes, looks like she does. But I think, she isn't saying anything cause she has no proof. She testified against her boyfriend she loved sooo much all these years ago. Why not now? She said it: No one would believe her.
I know she is always straight forward and not the manipulationg type but there's first time for everything.It makes sense,i mean she loves her brother and has done everything that she can to convicne her to ditch Hannah as she is dangerouse but she realized that he wouldn't and realized that he loves her.So to make Hannah seem guilty why not make it look like she a threat to his family.
Well you can't actually call that love what she had for Wayne,she was just 15 and you should know how that age is. Yes she has no real proof against Dexter but after how Dexter betrayed her she would atleast testify against him proof or not just for self satisfaction.Unless you still love that person and wouldn't want him hurt at any cost.
I know it makes sense. Otherwise I wouldn't even consider the possibility that Deb would have done it herself. And as much as I know that it's not like Deb, we know that people do anything if they're desperate enough. I just hope she didn't do it herself. If Dex finds out that Deb played him … Let's just say, sister or not, I don't wanna be in her place when Dex finds out she manipulated him and destroyed his possible future with Hannah.
Yes, she was 15. She was a kid. Kids are stupid and naïve, especially, when it comes to love. Every girl at that age believes, the guy is her real and only true love and that their relationship would last forever, nothing could get between them. Bla bla bla. When they were arrested she played the "I'm just a poor victim" card and testified against him to get a deal. Maybe she isn't testifying against him cause, as she said it, no one would believe her. Think: She has no proof, no witness, … Everybody would believe, she is making something up to get back on the persons (Deb and Dex) that dared to put her in prison. Sure, they would ask Dexter and Deb some questions. All they would have to say is "She hates me, cause I put her in jail, she's making it up" No one knows LaGuerta is investigating Dex, she kept it a secret.
I can understand,you feel like Deb did it but you don't want your feeling to be right.Well we don't know for sure untill we watch the episode,but it's the only thing that makes sense right now.But yeah lets just say she did it,how would Dexter feel when he finds out that she was manipulated by his own sister,would he be able to forgive her?What would Debra have to say to justfy her doing. I think if they plan on making Debra manipulating Dexter,it would be the last scene of the season.Making us wait 9months.
Well okay i agree to disagree :) You think she is not testifying because she has no real proof against Dexter. I believe she is not testifying because she loves him.
Good question: What would Dex do? On one side I believe that he would never hurt her. Not by accident and especially not on purpose. But on the other side … Dex never thought about his future. Not his future with Rita and the kids, not a future alone or just with his son. He never thought about his future. Till he was with Hannah. She was so important to him, he wanted this future to happen, he even kept his distance to Deb.
So … would he hurt her? I still don't believe it. But maybe he would break with her. Quit and move. Or maybe keep their relationship strictly professional. No, I don’t' want to believe it. It would cause problems, no doubt. But I believe that they can make it work again. She accepted him being a serial killer, for Christ sake.
My brother and I were never close. Deb and Dex always were. That is what I like so much about them. It's rare to see siblings being so close. Let's for now ignore that they're not related and she is in love with him.
She loved Wayne too, didn't she? Well, you must agree on girls that age and their believes in love.
We'll see next week if she is testifying and if not, why not. Maybe it's both together. She still loves him. And no matter how pissed she is of the betrayal, she wouldn't bother to report him, cause no one would believe without proof.
Yeah i mean you're right he didn't think of his future with his kids and Rita,though in some way he did love Rita but not the way he loves Hannah,i mean he literaly fell in love with her,she means alot to him,even if it meant keeping his distance from Debra to be with Hannah even if it meant ignoring the fact that she is a killer.With Hannah he has everyting he never even imagined of having or thought of deserving.So yeah if he finds out Debra took away the love of his life and his future he would be hurt big time,i don't know if he can forgive her or not,but i don't think he'll leave her either,i just believe their relationship would never be the same again and from than he would never be able to trust her again. If the writers intend to go this way,it would really be interesting..Challenge their relationship and see if it can handle it. I am actually close with my brother and that's why i can't just accept that Debra is in love with her brother.I know you can love your brother only as your brother.Loving him as a man is (i'm sorry) just sick.
Hahaha trust me lawyer is the second last thing i wanna be. Teenage love is hardly LOVE. Yeah well i guess we'll see next episode.And than we'll both be here ;)
Agree. Hannah was what he wanted. She loved him, all of him, without being afraid, without trying to change him (like Deb did).
I still wonder how real his feelings for Hannah are. Don't get me wrong, he could love her. But maybe he sees more in her (and is ignoring the fact that she kills innocent people) because he wants it and her to be real. He had with Lumen a time in his life, when he could be who and what he is and she didn't see him as a monster. He wants it back so badly, he is taking the chance Hannah is offering him and is ignoring the fact she is NOT like Lumen.
It would be interesting to see if Dex could and would forgive Deb. We don't know if he is the forgiving type or the type that holds grudges. He usually just took his killing kit and stabbed someone. With Deb it's different. With her all is different.
Well, unlike you and your brother Dex and Deb are not related. It changes everything. And they've been thru so much together, which brings them even closer.
I don't think what Dexter has for Hannah is out of desperation to find some one like Lumen.What he had with Lumen was totally different.Don't get me wrong,Lumen used him to ger her revenge and left him after when she was done.I mean after everything that Dexter did for her....Yes he liked her and wanted her to stay because she would not see him for a monster who kills people because he likes to,he never imagined or planned of future with her, or growing old with her,she was more like a friend,who understood Dexter.His feelings were never as strong as it is now for Hannah.I liked Lumen but you see,never felt that connection between them.If he felt so strong about Lumen he would have done something more than just ask her once to stay,if he really loved her and didn't want her to lose he would have made her stay but.....I mean he just ignored the fact that Hannah is a killer, a killer who killed innocent people,which was aginass the Code he has been living his own life,because he wanted her to be with him,because he loved her and people would do anything to be with a one they LOVE.He could have done anything like that to make Lumen stay.So these things does say alot about what Dexter feels for Hannah are real or not. Yes they are not related but they basically grew up together.She is aunt to his kid,she hooked him up with a woman he ended up getting married to and having kid with.But anyways i don't wanna argue about that cz none of us are gonna change our views.
Used him? Not completely. I mean, she needed help, she asked for his help and he helped her. She didn't offered him any reward or payment (like: if you help me, I'll sleep with you). Neither did he asked for anything in return. He helped her (since the beginning, when he got her out of the house) cause he felt guilty because of Rita. And Lumen left, cause it was over for her. She needed this bastards dead to find her peace, to get a chance to go on with her life. She stopped (killing) after it was done. But she knew he couldn't stop. That is why she left. That's what she said and I have no reason to doubt her words (unlike Hannahs).
True that he didn't thought about a future with Lumen (but neither had he thought about getting old with Rita; and they were married and had a baby). But he did say that she is the only one that sees him for what he is and loves him. He asked her once, that's true. But she couldn't stay if he kept on killing, and he knew that. Her darkness was gone and she couldn't go on like that. He didn't want to force her.
He ignored Hannah being a killer of innocent people. That is why I think their first night was the best sex he ever had. What other reason is there for not killing her? Men are so predictable. And so easy to control with sex. That is why he didn't kill her even after she killed Price.
Exactly Lumen needed his darkness to ger her revenge and after she was done she left cz as you said she knew he couldn't stop,she accepted him for who he is for as long as she needed his help.When she was done she couldn't live with someone who kills people because of some strange urge that he feels,so if truth be told she never really accepted him completely.I think Dexter knew it as well,he knew what he felt for Lumen wasn't love or something he couldn't live without or else he would have done what ever it took to make her stay. That's what i am saying Dexter never really thought about his future about growing old with someone you Love,not even with Rita.Now you tell me,would you think of a future of growing old with someone if you weren't completely in love with him or not sure if he is the one for you.No right?Unless you are completely in love with that person and sure 200 times that he is the one.I think Dexter is not a fool,he knows what he feels,so trust him when he says he loves Hannah and feels safe with her.She is the one for him. Do you really think Dexter let her live because he wanted to have sex with her??Seriously??I mean no way....Do you??
I know you don't like Hannah and would find 100 reasons as to why.But you can't possibly say that Dexter let Hannah live because he wanted to have sex with her.
Lumen had a darkness inside her. A consequence of what was done to her. This monsters made her a monster. When they were gone, so was her darkness. But I think, her darkness was real, and so were her feelings. She accepted Dexter for what he is. She never saw him as monster and was never afraid of him.
True, I couldn't imagine my future with a person I don't love. But seriously, do you think that from all the women he's been with (Rita, Lila, Lumen, Hannah) he only loved Hannah? I think that Hannah was the one that manipulated him. He wanted to kill her. But she tried to seduce him (all along), then she challenged him. I think she played him. Doesn't mean she doesn't feel anything for him. And no, it's not just about the sex. She accepts him for what he is. Sex is just a part of their relationship.
It's not that I hate Hannah. She is a great character and Yvonne is doing a good job. I just don't trust Hannah. She kills for her own benefit and I fear, that at one point she won't care who she kills, as long as she gets her way (like Lila, when she tried to kill the kids).
Don't even put Lila in the list of women Dexter has been with.I mean she was more like a Villian,from the beginning we knew she was a sociopath,I mean for God's sake that bitch made Dexter cheat on Rita.
No i'm not saying Dexter didn't love Rita or Lumen,i mean we get into relationships and we get out of it,as long as we're in it we feel like we're in love and in some way or the other we do love that person,but than there's this one person who just comes and changes your whole world and you just feel helpless,you want to be that person for the rest of your life,you start thinking of a future with him or her.That's your true love,thats when you fell in love,that person is the one for you.I think it's the same with Dexter,he has been with Rita and Lumen whom he loved in a way but with Hannah it's different.He fell in love with her,she is the one for him.
You don't get it what i'm saying is that Lumen did accept Dexter for who he is for as long as she needed it when she was done she couldn't live with the idea of a man who kills people,that's why i feel she never really accepted him.
Well i don't know what poor Hannah could do to make you trust her,as you have taken oath you wouldn't.WOW come on,Hannah was trying to seduce Dexter?ReallY?I mean i am a girl and straight but trust me if i were a guy i wouldn't need seducing from a woman like Hannah,she is Hot,she don't need to seduce anyone.And besides wasn't Dexter the one who acted like a total fool when he met her the first time to get her Dna and dropped that whatever it was,because i dont know how to say it,he got lost in her charm.From that moment though i didn't know that if he had actually fallen in love with her or will,but i knew something woud happen between them.It would be this strong i didn't know.
And lets just stop the discussion here because no matter what i say you wouldn't trust Hannah and no matter what you say i will trust her ;)
It was a short time and she was crazy, but fact IS, that Dex was with Lila. He even left Rita for her.
Well, I don't believe in love.
Oath? I wouldn't go that far. I could trust Hannah if she wouldn’t keep on killing innocent people for her own benefit. It's the easiest way out for her. I wouldn't judge, if she would defend herself. Like with that assistant of Isaaks. Or that guy in the home, that was harassing young girls. But as long as she kills to solve her problems …
I agree absolutely that Hannah is hot. But to seduce a guy it's not enough to look hot. It's enough to get his attention, but to seduce him, you need to say the right things, use the right body language, … To seduce a guy by just looking hot is enough, if the guy is in a desperate need to get laid. Yeah, he did act like fool. Men. So predictable in front a hot young woman … Her charm? Exactly. That is why I have doubts his feelings for her are real.
I don't think so she was seducing Dexter,maybe we both have different view of how a woman seduce a man. Well if that's it than you should be able to trust her cz Debra is in her way but she didn't try to kill her and take the easy way,she instead tried to solve things like an adult.
Guess you're right. In my opinion, it requires body language and the right conversation.
First, we still don't know WHO spiked Debs water. So we don't know if it was Hannah, Deb or Arlene, or maybe someone else did it.
Second, Hannah may not poisoned Deb, but only, only, because she knows Dex wouldn't let her get away with that like he did with Price.
She did go to Deb to talk and solve their problems like adults. So she said. If she did spiked Debs water, her visit was just a way to get closer to her and she never meant it. That is why she took Debs own medication and not the untraceable poison she used on Price. IF, of course, it was Hannah. See? That is why I have problems trusting her. Some people are easy to read. Hannah is not. She is almost impossible to read, that is why I never know how much of her story is true and what is a lie. And we know from her past that she is good at manipulating and killing (if she gets something out of it).
I wish I could trust her. I wish, her feelings for Dex would be real and his feelings for her were real and that they could be happy together. He deserves it.
Well you will trust her by the end of this season. Yeah same here,a happy ever after for Dexter with Hannah is all i'm asking for.Though final season would be one hell of journey for Dexter.I have a feeling last season would be full of twists and crazy shit.But Dexter will get through it,as he always has.
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Hannah is completely right in the second clip. Maybe by the end of the episode Deb's going to realize this and be the one put the final nail in the coffin + help Laguerta arrest Dexter? She's been clouded by her 'love' for Dexter all season, she even said something like she should've arrested him when she found him. She knows deep down that she should've arrested him. Deb is the law, she is a cop, she does the right thing - that is who she is. And in her way she'll probably think arresting Dexter is the only way to protect him at that point. But she'll probably give him a chance to run..
ReplyDeleteIn terms of Hannah, I'm positive she didn't poison Deb - it was either Deb herself or Arlene. 'Cause I mean, come on. I don't even need to explain why, it's just way too obvious and convenient. I think Hannah genuinely loves and cares for Dexter, enough to not reveal anything about him. Maybe Dexter will find out Hannah didn't poison Deb and he'll help her escape, in the promo he kisses her possibly slipping her something to make her appear dead so she can escape? 'Cause there's also a shot of Hannah walking free outside of Dexter's apartment..
I need somebody put me into a coma and wake me up next Sunday just in time for the finale.
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ReplyDeleteThe only issue I have with Deb poisoning herself and crashing the car is that it was an awfully risky move?
Haha yeah, I've only recently decided to give into the spoiler side of everything - so thank you. :)
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, I know that Deb said with emphasis that she would do anything to get Hannah out of the picture but does that include risking her life? How could she possibly have known she would survive the crash? Which is why I think Arlene is also a possibility, from the scene she had with Hannah she knew that Deb would be a constant problem that wouldn't go away..
Cool ! I'd not considered Arlene. Good theory.
ReplyDeleteDon't worry non of the spoilers are too big and any big ones they post are normally behind "spoiler" buttons. I dont read the big spoilers myself but love all the Sneak Peeks and Promos and photos etc :)
Yes, I don't think Hannah poisoned her but I dont think it was Deb either. If she had poised the bottle she would drunk it when behind her desk, not while behind the wheels(especially since she knows how fast those pills are). But the only thing is that I doubt that Arlene is smart enough to do that, I mean the woman is a junkie so you really expect her to know what the pills can do to Deb, to break into her appartement and to poison her? I think Hannah might have asked her to poison Deb, that way when faced to Dexter, she'd be able to say " I didn't poison her, I never failed when I do" and actually mean it.
ReplyDeleteThat's another possibility, but I really doubt it.. That still would be a real stupid move for Hannah - she's the only one with motive to kill Deb, so it would go around back to her anyway, Dexter would end up suspecting her. Hannah isn't stupid, she knows the consequences of hurting Dexter's sister.
ReplyDeleteArlene could've just snuck into Deb's house, saw the pills (common sense that, a lot = bad), put them in the water bottle.
Meh, who knows.
j h Exactly my thoughts after i watched the episode.There's no way Hannah could poison Debra,she was right Dexter should know of all people that she never fails,if she meant killing Debra,she would be dead.I believe Debra did it herself,cz she did say she would do anything it takes to protect Dexter from Hannah.Anything means even risking her own life.You know how much Dexter loves Hannah,i wner what Deb has to say when Dexter finds out about it.
ReplyDeleteI just feel really hurt for Hannah she means it when she says she loves Dexter.I never believed Hannah poisoned Debra never,but When she said to Dexter "You should have killed me" is when i knew for sure she didn't do it,I mean even i could tell she didn't poison Debra,how could Dexter be so stupid,just jumping to conclusion.
So much is going on in the promo for finale,that i don't even know what to make of it.Would Dexter kill Laguerta,would he find out that Hannah is innocent and would turn himself in only get Hannah out of there(cz they do kiss).Dexter said maybe you can never trust a poisoner,but after what dexter did to Hannah would she be able to trust him again?
I can come up with 10 different stories for the finale and all of them would fit perfectly.I just wanna close my eyes and when i open them again i want the finale playing on my PC.
Debra needs help.That woman is ruining her life as well as people around her.
ReplyDeleteWell, the first SP shows what I've been thinking all along. He's not a complete sociopath. If he were, he wouldn't care for Deb or his son or anything, just to run away so he could keep on killing. But I must say, I like the idea of Dex, Deb and Harry as happy family hunting killers.
ReplyDeleteI do wonder why Hannah isn't going to testify against Dex to get a deal. She did it before. But, well, she doesn't have any proof and as she said, no one would believe her. Besides: Why that grin? Unlike her Dexter kills killers and not innocent people like her. That’s why, Hannah love, is Deb arresting you and not Dexter.
I Agree with you. That is why Deb is having nightmares and is taking medication. She knows that it should be the right thing to arrest Dex. But she can't put her brother down. No matter that she loves him as man and as brother. But I think it's more than that. She knows that what he does is right. Till a certain point. She's a cop long enough to realize that sometimes police can do nothing but let the killer go and hope he makes a mistake when he kills next time. I believe, that she would arrest Dex if he would kill an innocent person.
ReplyDeleteI thought about Deb doing the poisoning herself. I have my doubts, but it's a possibility. My doubts: Deb is not the manipulating, lying type. She's honest and direct. Besides, as Sharon said it, it was a risk sitting in the car while she passed out. She could have done it right before she came to the parking lot or her office. She could have died in that crash. Would she take that risk? The possibility: I think people do many things if they're desperate enough. Deb was desperate. To put Hannah in prison, to protect her brother form her.
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I think you're right. Arlene may be desperate, but she isn't smart enough. She seems to me more the type that uses a knife or a gun.
ReplyDeleteOr … What, if she's pretending? Pretending to be the stupid junkie? Ever
watched the movie Wild things? Neve seemed like the junkie slut that is too
stupid to pass high school. Turned out, she was genius and the person who set it all up. In that case she would use poison, knowing, that everyone would
suspect Hannah.
Hannah could have asked her, true. Like: I did you a favor, now you do me one. Hannah could have told her what to do. But do you think Hannah is stupid enough? She must know that if Deb is poisoned, Dex would suspect her first. Especially when she visits Deb the evening before. In that case she would have told Arlene to stab or shoot her. Or set the house on fire.
But I must say that this was sloppy work for Hannah. IF it was her.
I agree that Deb COULD have done it to get to Hannah. But why risking her life like that? She could take the pills (the water, whatever) right before she comes to the parking lot or her office. She would still pass out, probably end up in the hospital and could blame Hannah. What if she had died in that crash? No matter how desperate Deb is to get to Hannah. Would she kill herself for that? If she would have take it to pass out behind the wheel (to make it look more dangerous and serious) wouldn't she be safer in town? With the traffic there she wouldn't drive so fast, so smaller chances to get seriously hurt.
ReplyDeleteBut I must say that this was sloppy work for Hannah. IF it was her.
You gotta agree that Hannah is a perfectionist when it comes to killing,so giving the fact that Debra not only survived the poison (or whatever) she only broke her wrist,which is a bit miraclish if you see that she was almost unconcious when the accident happened.
ReplyDeleteShe might have faked the accident and take the pills later to make it look like it really was Hannah's work.
Hannah wouldn't testify against Dexter cz well you might not accept it but it is the fact,she loves Dexter.
ReplyDeleteO.K., don't get me wrong, but this is going too far. Deb causing the accident and drink the water later? To me it's already hard to believe that Deb would drug herself to get to Hannah. But causing an accident? Well, it would explain why nothing happened to her. The crush was under her control before she passed out.
ReplyDeleteThe think that makes no sense in that scenario: Deb is not the type that would go so far. Lie and manipulate her brother. Besides: I just thought about it. She was on her way to Arlene, right? Why would she go so far and almost kill herself? She still hoped Arlene would testify against Hannah.
Yes, looks like she does. But I think, she isn't saying anything cause she has no proof. She testified against her boyfriend she loved sooo much all these years ago. Why not now? She said it: No one would believe her.
ReplyDeleteI know she is always straight forward and not the manipulationg type but there's first time for everything.It makes sense,i mean she loves her brother and has done everything that she can to convicne her to ditch Hannah as she is dangerouse but she realized that he wouldn't and realized that he loves her.So to make Hannah seem guilty why not make it look like she a threat to his family.
ReplyDeleteWell you can't actually call that love what she had for Wayne,she was just 15 and you should know how that age is.
ReplyDeleteYes she has no real proof against Dexter but after how Dexter betrayed her she would atleast testify against him proof or not just for self satisfaction.Unless you still love that person and wouldn't want him hurt at any cost.
I know it makes sense. Otherwise I wouldn't even consider the possibility that Deb would have done it herself. And as much as I know that it's not like Deb, we know that people do anything if they're desperate enough.
ReplyDeleteI just hope she didn't do it herself. If Dex finds out that Deb played him … Let's just say, sister or not, I don't wanna be in her place when Dex finds out she manipulated him and destroyed his possible future with Hannah.
Yes, she was 15. She was a kid. Kids are stupid and naïve, especially, when it comes to love. Every girl at that age believes, the guy is her real and only true love and that their relationship would last forever, nothing could get between them. Bla bla bla. When they were arrested she played the "I'm just a poor victim" card and testified against him to get a deal.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she isn't testifying against him cause, as she said it, no one would believe her. Think: She has no proof, no witness, … Everybody would believe, she is making something up to get back on the persons (Deb and Dex) that dared to put her in prison. Sure, they would ask Dexter and Deb some questions. All they would have to say is "She hates me, cause I put her in jail, she's making it up" No one knows LaGuerta is investigating Dex, she kept it a secret.
I can understand,you feel like Deb did it but you don't want your feeling to be right.Well we don't know for sure untill we watch the episode,but it's the only thing that makes sense right now.But yeah lets just say she did it,how would Dexter feel when he finds out that she was manipulated by his own sister,would he be able to forgive her?What would Debra have to say to justfy her doing.
ReplyDeleteI think if they plan on making Debra manipulating Dexter,it would be the last scene of the season.Making us wait 9months.
Well okay i agree to disagree :)
ReplyDeleteYou think she is not testifying because she has no real proof against Dexter.
I believe she is not testifying because she loves him.
Good question: What would Dex do? On one side I believe that he would never hurt her. Not by accident and especially not on purpose. But on the other side … Dex never thought about his future. Not his future with Rita and the kids, not a future alone or just with his son. He never thought about his future. Till he was with Hannah. She was so important to him, he wanted this future to happen, he even kept his distance to Deb.
ReplyDeleteSo … would he hurt her? I still don't believe it. But maybe he would break with her. Quit and move. Or maybe keep their relationship strictly professional. No, I don’t' want to believe it. It would cause problems, no doubt. But I believe that they can make it work again. She accepted him being a serial killer, for Christ sake.
My brother and I were never close. Deb and Dex always were. That is what I like so much about them. It's rare to see siblings being so close. Let's for now ignore that they're not related and she is in love with him.
Agree to disagree? You sound like a lawyer. lol
ReplyDeleteShe loved Wayne too, didn't she? Well, you must agree on girls that age and their believes in love.
We'll see next week if she is testifying and if not, why not. Maybe it's both together. She still loves him. And no matter how pissed she is of the betrayal, she wouldn't bother to report him, cause no one would believe without proof.
I only watched Wild Things for the threesomes
ReplyDeleteGuys. So predictable. Especially when it involves two girls.
ReplyDeleteYeah i mean you're right he didn't think of his future with his kids and Rita,though in some way he did love Rita but not the way he loves Hannah,i mean he literaly fell in love with her,she means alot to him,even if it meant keeping his distance from Debra to be with Hannah even if it meant ignoring the fact that she is a killer.With Hannah he has everyting he never even imagined of having or thought of deserving.So yeah if he finds out Debra took away the love of his life and his future he would be hurt big time,i don't know if he can forgive her or not,but i don't think he'll leave her either,i just believe their relationship would never be the same again and from than he would never be able to trust her again.
ReplyDeleteIf the writers intend to go this way,it would really be interesting..Challenge their relationship and see if it can handle it.
I am actually close with my brother and that's why i can't just accept that Debra is in love with her brother.I know you can love your brother only as your brother.Loving him as a man is (i'm sorry) just sick.
Hahaha trust me lawyer is the second last thing i wanna be.
ReplyDeleteTeenage love is hardly LOVE.
Yeah well i guess we'll see next episode.And than we'll both be here ;)
Of course he loved Rita. His own way.
ReplyDeleteAgree. Hannah was what he wanted. She loved him, all of him, without being afraid, without trying to change him (like Deb did).
I still wonder how real his feelings for Hannah are. Don't get me wrong, he could love her. But maybe he sees more in her (and is ignoring the fact that she kills innocent people) because he wants it and her to be real. He had with Lumen a time in his life, when he could be who and what he is and she didn't see him as a monster. He wants it back so badly, he is taking the chance Hannah is offering him and is ignoring the fact she is NOT like Lumen.
It would be interesting to see if Dex could and would forgive Deb. We don't know if he is the forgiving type or the type that holds grudges. He usually just took his killing kit and stabbed someone. With Deb it's different. With her all is different.
Well, unlike you and your brother Dex and Deb are not related. It changes everything. And they've been thru so much together, which brings them even closer.
Won't miss it ;)
ReplyDeleteI don't think what Dexter has for Hannah is out of desperation to find some one like Lumen.What he had with Lumen was totally different.Don't get me wrong,Lumen used him to ger her revenge and left him after when she was done.I mean after everything that Dexter did for her....Yes he liked her and wanted her to stay because she would not see him for a monster who kills people because he likes to,he never imagined or planned of future with her, or growing old with her,she was more like a friend,who understood Dexter.His feelings were never as strong as it is now for Hannah.I liked Lumen but you see,never felt that connection between them.If he felt so strong about Lumen he would have done something more than just ask her once to stay,if he really loved her and didn't want her to lose he would have made her stay but.....I mean he just ignored the fact that Hannah is a killer, a killer who killed innocent people,which was aginass the Code he has been living his own life,because he wanted her to be with him,because he loved her and people would do anything to be with a one they LOVE.He could have done anything like that to make Lumen stay.So these things does say alot about what Dexter feels for Hannah are real or not.
ReplyDeleteYes they are not related but they basically grew up together.She is aunt to his kid,she hooked him up with a woman he ended up getting married to and having kid with.But anyways i don't wanna argue about that cz none of us are gonna change our views.
Used him? Not completely. I mean, she needed help, she asked for his help and he helped her. She didn't offered him any reward or payment (like: if you help me, I'll sleep with you). Neither did he asked for anything in return. He helped her (since the beginning, when he got her out of the house) cause he felt guilty because of Rita. And Lumen left, cause it was over for her. She needed this bastards dead to find her peace, to get a chance to go on with her life. She stopped (killing) after it was done. But she knew he couldn't stop. That is why she left. That's what she said and I have no reason to doubt her words (unlike Hannahs).
ReplyDeleteTrue that he didn't thought about a future with Lumen (but neither had he thought about getting old with Rita; and they were married and had a baby). But he did say that she is the only one that sees him for what he is and loves him. He asked her once, that's true. But she couldn't stay if he kept on killing, and he knew that. Her darkness was gone and she couldn't go on like that. He didn't want to force her.
He ignored Hannah being a killer of innocent people. That is why I think their first night was the best sex he ever had. What other reason is there for not killing her? Men are so predictable. And so easy to control with sex. That is why he didn't kill her even after she killed Price.
Exactly Lumen needed his darkness to ger her revenge and after she was done she left cz as you said she knew he couldn't stop,she accepted him for who he is for as long as she needed his help.When she was done she couldn't live with someone who kills people because of some strange urge that he feels,so if truth be told she never really accepted him completely.I think Dexter knew it as well,he knew what he felt for Lumen wasn't love or something he couldn't live without or else he would have done what ever it took to make her stay.
ReplyDeleteThat's what i am saying Dexter never really thought about his future about growing old with someone you Love,not even with Rita.Now you tell me,would you think of a future of growing old with someone if you weren't completely in love with him or not sure if he is the one for you.No right?Unless you are completely in love with that person and sure 200 times that he is the one.I think
Dexter is not a fool,he knows what he feels,so trust him when he says he loves Hannah and feels safe with her.She is the one for him.
Do you really think Dexter let her live because he wanted to have sex with her??Seriously??I mean no way....Do you??
I know you don't like Hannah and would find 100 reasons as to why.But you can't possibly say that Dexter let Hannah live because he wanted to have sex with her.
Lumen had a darkness inside her. A consequence of what was done to her. This monsters made her a monster. When they were gone, so was her darkness. But I think, her darkness was real, and so were her feelings. She accepted Dexter for what he is. She never saw him as monster and was never afraid of him.
ReplyDeleteTrue, I couldn't imagine my future with a person I don't love. But seriously, do you think that from all the women he's been with (Rita, Lila, Lumen, Hannah) he only loved Hannah? I think that Hannah was the one that manipulated him. He wanted to kill her. But she tried to seduce him (all along), then she challenged him. I think she played him. Doesn't mean she doesn't feel anything for him. And no, it's not just about the sex. She accepts him for what he is. Sex is just a part of their relationship.
It's not that I hate Hannah. She is a great character and Yvonne is doing a good job. I just don't trust Hannah. She kills for her own benefit and I fear, that at one point she won't care who she kills, as long as she gets her way (like Lila, when she tried to kill the kids).
Don't even put Lila in the list of women Dexter has been with.I mean she was more like a Villian,from the beginning we knew she was a sociopath,I mean for God's sake that bitch made Dexter cheat on Rita.
ReplyDeleteNo i'm not saying Dexter didn't love Rita or Lumen,i mean we get into relationships and we get out of it,as long as we're in it we feel like we're in love and in some way or the other we do love that person,but than there's this one person who just comes and changes your whole world and you just feel helpless,you want to be that person for the rest of your life,you start thinking of a future with him or her.That's your true love,thats when you fell in love,that person is the one for you.I think it's the same with Dexter,he has been with Rita and Lumen whom he loved in a way but with Hannah it's different.He fell in love with her,she is the one for him.
You don't get it what i'm saying is that Lumen did accept Dexter for who he is for as long as she needed it when she was done she couldn't live with the idea of a man who kills people,that's why i feel she never really accepted him.
Well i don't know what poor Hannah could do to make you trust her,as you have taken oath you wouldn't.WOW come on,Hannah was trying to seduce Dexter?ReallY?I mean i am a girl and straight but trust me if i were a guy i wouldn't need seducing from a woman like Hannah,she is Hot,she don't need to seduce anyone.And besides wasn't Dexter the one who acted like a total fool when he met her the first time to get her Dna and dropped that whatever it was,because i dont know how to say it,he got lost in her charm.From that moment though i didn't know that if he had actually fallen in love with her or will,but i knew something woud happen between them.It would be this strong i didn't know.
And lets just stop the discussion here because no matter what i say you wouldn't trust Hannah and no matter what you say i will trust her ;)
It was a short time and she was crazy, but fact IS, that Dex was with Lila. He even left Rita for her.
ReplyDeleteWell, I don't believe in love.
Oath? I wouldn't go that far. I could trust Hannah if she wouldn’t keep on killing innocent people for her own benefit. It's the easiest way out for her. I wouldn't judge, if she would defend herself. Like with that assistant of Isaaks. Or that guy in the home, that was harassing young girls. But as long as she kills to solve her problems …
I agree absolutely that Hannah is hot. But to seduce a guy it's not enough to look hot. It's enough to get his attention, but to seduce him, you need to say the right things, use the right body language, … To seduce a guy by just looking hot is enough, if the guy is in a desperate need to get laid.
Yeah, he did act like fool. Men. So predictable in front a hot young woman …
Her charm? Exactly. That is why I have doubts his feelings for her are real.
I don't think so she was seducing Dexter,maybe we both have different view of how a woman seduce a man.
ReplyDeleteWell if that's it than you should be able to trust her cz Debra is in her way but she didn't try to kill her and take the easy way,she instead tried to solve things like an adult.
Guess you're right. In my opinion, it requires body language and the right conversation.
ReplyDeleteFirst, we still don't know WHO spiked Debs water. So we don't know if it was Hannah, Deb or Arlene, or maybe someone else did it.
Second, Hannah may not poisoned Deb, but only, only, because she knows Dex wouldn't let her get away with that like he did with Price.
She did go to Deb to talk and solve their problems like adults. So she said. If she did spiked Debs water, her visit was just a way to get closer to her and she never meant it. That is why she took Debs own medication and not the untraceable poison she used on Price. IF, of course, it was Hannah.
See? That is why I have problems trusting her. Some people are easy to read. Hannah is not. She is almost impossible to read, that is why I never know how much of her story is true and what is a lie. And we know from her past that she is good at manipulating and killing (if she gets something out of it).
I wish I could trust her. I wish, her feelings for Dex would be real and his feelings for her were real and that they could be happy together. He deserves it.
Well you will trust her by the end of this season.
ReplyDeleteYeah same here,a happy ever after for Dexter with Hannah is all i'm asking for.Though final season would be one hell of journey for Dexter.I have a feeling last season would be full of twists and crazy shit.But Dexter will get through it,as he always has.