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Supernatural - Episode 8.06 - Southern Comfort - Sneak Peek

2 Nov 2012

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65 comments:

  1. klutzy_girl2 November 2012 at 18:59

    Garth, ILU and that made me laugh, but then I didn't like him but then he made me feel bad by saying that Bobby belonged to all of them. I loved that.


    Aw, Garth. Poor boys.

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  2. tiptoe392 November 2012 at 19:14

    ...I don't like Garth. I don't like Garth. I don't like... oh, crap...

    Right in the feels!.

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  3. Dahne2 November 2012 at 19:23

    Garth should never ever use "idjit". Ever. He's not Bobby. Dean is right. He can use what Bobby taught him. He can become a better hunter. He can learn how to research as well as Bobby did. He can become an important go-to person in his own right. But he is never going to be Bobby. Having him push this hard, trying to take Bobby's place in the Winchesters' lives is going to annoy me. Garth should simply work at becoming a better Garth.

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  4. MarissaAO2 November 2012 at 19:23

    Oh. Oh wow. Okay. This might be better than I thought it was going to be.

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  5. Jan van Es2 November 2012 at 19:24

    ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! I hope Becky returns too sometime in Season 8.

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  6. Elena Wonderland2 November 2012 at 19:40

    Uhm he's not trying to become Bobby or replace him.He obviously misses Bobby too.He knew him before he met Sam and Dean.Bobby was an inspiration to a lot of hunters and by the looks of it he was to Garth as well..And he is right.Bobby might was family for the Winchesters by he did not "belong" to them.He was admired and loved by a lot of people.

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  7. cns3e2 November 2012 at 19:44

    You go Dean! You tell him! I love it when Dean gets all passionate about something.

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  8. Judy Smith2 November 2012 at 19:47

    Love Garth and love what he is trying to do. He misses Bobby and this is his way of trying to emulate him.

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  9. Lisa2 November 2012 at 19:48

    Of all the people they could have brought back, Garth was at the bottom
    of my list. Sorry. I will say that this is the best acting I've seen
    from DJ Qualls, however, and I'll do my best to keep an open mind... But
    I was really hoping for a sneak peek at the conversation we are all
    waiting for...

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  10. Miss Supernatural2 November 2012 at 19:56

    I feel exactly the same way, but I think it's his way to homage Bobby. I believe that by the end of the episode he will understand that he doesn't have to try to BE Bobby to keep him in his heart and follow his steps.

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  11. Dahne2 November 2012 at 20:13

    I disagree. He does seem to be trying to become Bobby. He's changed his clothing style, his vocabulary, and is trying to get Dean to confide in him by making a point to bring up how that was Bobby's role. I understand that Bobby meant a lot to Garth and other people as well as the Winchesters. I'm good with that. However if someone I barely knew tried to imitate my dad like that and tried to make me confide in him the way I did with my dad, I would be royally ticked. That person is not my dad. I don't think it is unreasonable for Dean to be ticked either. Garth needs to learn to be his own self better and make that his homage to Bobby. It's been over a year since Bobby died. I'm shocked that no one has called him out on it before this.

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  12. lsbloom2 November 2012 at 20:17

    Note to all new showrunners: when you take over your first job is to show that you understand the show and the characters. Your second job is to show that you respect the fans and are one of them. I am a pretty laid back SPN fan but darnit, but Carver is screwing up both things again. Don't push sore spots like the death of Bobby to try to get a joke or anything else. Respect the fans, don't bait them. And sure as all F don't put Garth in as Bobby Jr. It's a slap to the face.

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  13. lsbloom2 November 2012 at 20:26

    I'm sorry but this clip riles me. We have never seen Bobby acting as a surrogate father figure to anyone but the boys. Writing this "new information" in is very frustrating to me. 1) It minimizes the family story of Bobby and the boys. 2) It denies that Bobby was inherently a cranky unfriendly guy, who had a lot of ex-friends but not a lot of current ones. And if Bobby had all these proteges running around why didn't they come help more often? 3) It feels like the hand of the powers that be behind the dialogue going "see we loved Bobby too, he drank and said idjit and was beloved by all. we know Bobby and we're with you guys" And all it is is a gross caricature because it is coming from the mouth of a sorta tolerable filler character posing (badly) in the Bobby role.

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  14. Justine Kubica2 November 2012 at 20:29

    Looks like everyone misses Bobby...

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  15. Bruce_F2 November 2012 at 20:34

    Even though he has a point, I didn't really need to see "pouty Garth."

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  16. Caz742 November 2012 at 21:31

    There is no new information. Garth isn't saying Bobby was a father figure to him, he is just letting Dean know that Dean is not the only person who misses him. We already know that Bobby knew Garth, so of course Garth is going to miss him. And just because Bobby didn't class people as friends, doesn't mean they didn't like and respect him. Of course he knew a lot of hunters, not just Dean and Sam.

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  17. K Mac2 November 2012 at 21:35

    Huh...I actually thought his acting was really bad, and I actually don't mind the actor normally. But this exchange was really awkward and contrived, and DJ wasn't owning it. At least JA was as amazing as ever, but he was kind of carrying dead DJ's dead-weight in that scene.

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  18. SuePo2 November 2012 at 21:50

    I liked the scene. Dean was absolutely right to call him out on it. He wasn't angry at first, just annoyed and keeping himself in check."Idjit" was what Bobby said when he was annoyed or angry. It's not a happy term. Good point. Garth needed to hear that. The Winchesters have lost everyone, but they don't talk about those things. Garth saying he was there for Dean also got the proper response - a look of disdain. Dean isn't going to care and share with Garth. He needed to know that, too. Neither of the Winchesters take Garth seriously, he's more like a pet that won't stay off the couch. Annoying, but what can you do besides keep trying to teach him. Garth, himself, believes he's a good hunter. Unfortunately he's the only one who does. He's not Bobby. Never will be Bobby. He has every right to miss him and yes, Bobby belonged to all of them, but Dean doesn't want a replacement. He handled it well and I think Garth, despite the kicked puppy look, got the message. Well done and so perfectly in character.

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  19. Indy2 November 2012 at 21:53

    I'm actually happy that they aren't using Garth only as comedic relief in this episode. It's an awkward scene, but maybe you are forgetting that Garth is a very geeky character. There is no such thing as "normal" conversation between these two.

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  20. prpleight2 November 2012 at 21:54

    It looks like they're bringing Garth into his own. I think I'm going to like that. And I love that Garth didn't shrivel when Dean yelled that Garth isn't Bobby. And that Dean accepted the reality, that he left a void that needed to be filled. Best Dean character scene that I've seen so far this season.

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  21. C P2 November 2012 at 21:55

    I agree!

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  22. C P2 November 2012 at 22:01

    I think Garth's made a mistake trying to act exactly like Bobby. Take his job fine, someone has to do it, but doing what he's doing...I can totally understand why Dean got upset. It digs into wounds, brings memories to surface. Especially with Dean who usually tries to put his emotional pain under lock and key.

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  23. Rabia Salvatore2 November 2012 at 22:22

    This scene started alright then got super awkward... I didn't even know Garth knew Bobby that well. Not that he can't be affected by Bobby's death but this whole scene feels weird. I will wait to see the context... was hoping Supernatural was back on track after wednesday's awesome episode.

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  24. JMC002 November 2012 at 22:50

    Carver is just trying to work with what supporting character's Gamble left him. I'm sure he would have never killed off Bobby. Gamble did it just to make her big bad look stronger.

    Although seriously after the S1-5 arc and Gamble's run. Carver is left with

    Castiel and Garth. Heck he even had to write Martin getting out of the loony bin so as not to make Garth the new Bobby.

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  25. Megan_B2 November 2012 at 23:32

    I don't see it as ''making a joke'' about Bobby, its just Garth trying to 'deal', trying to ''fit'' into the job. He just doesn't know where the line is. Like, is the job is suppose to help hunters? To have fake phones? To be the ''confort'/emotional support' and/or wise guy who's 'there' for the others hunters, for the boys...? It seem like Garth doesn't know. When we first saw that garth was taking the job I was wondering which parts he was taking (information, phone..etc), it seem he doesn't know himself.

    If the writers really wanted to make Garth as a 'real' Bobby Jr., they wouldn't make Dean throw it back at his face. Look like it won't last for Garth

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  26. Wolfnight2 November 2012 at 23:34

    I agree with Elena Wonderland, Bobby did not belong to Dean and Sam. He may have been closest to them, but that doesn't mean other people weren't very close to him as well. This is obviously Garth's way of dealing with the void Bobby left. He knew Alot of hunters, and Garth is obviously one of the many who misses him. Remember how Garth hugged Dean and Sam after just one hunt with each? Garth might just be the type of guy who forms friendships very easily, even if the affection isn't mutual. I mean, one can see how much it hurt Garth for Dean to get all up in his case...
    Bobby meant alot to him and this is the only way he knows how to deal, and the only way he can think of that he can honor the old hunter's memory.

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  27. Wolfnight2 November 2012 at 23:36

    I love Garth too! All hunters [those one episode guest stars] seem to be so serious, having gotten into hunting from some tragity. Garth is always happy, and forms friendships so easily [though the affection isn't often returned] I'm so glad to see him back!

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  28. lsbloom2 November 2012 at 23:36

    Garth may not know where the line is as you say, but that excuse does not extend to the writers for me. They should be more conscious and cautious about dealing with the Bobby scenario than they are. Garth is a contentious (dare I say annoying) character, barely developed and part of some of the most hated SPN episodes, so making him act like Bobby demeans the memory of Bobby. He has no tie to Bobby, yet he presumes to take his place?


    As a showrunner trying to work his way into an established fandom, Carver should be very careful about how he deals with Bobby. But he should have been very careful about he approached the brothers. He doesn't have the same liberties as someone who has been around for years. We are waiting to see the direction, and frankly a fifth of the way in, the "direction" is asking a great deal more patience than it ought.

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  29. lsbloom2 November 2012 at 23:42

    Having some deep emotional tie to Bobby is new information. It's pretty deranged to start dressing and acting like someone if you only knew them casually. And saying that he has some kind of claim on Bobby beyond what the brothers had isn't really a message I want to hear from a guest star I can barely tolerate.

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  30. Caz743 November 2012 at 00:06

    How can you assume so much from a short clip, that you cannot see all of the context or what comes afterwards between Dean and Garth. Garth seems to be trying to help Dean, and although it may seem to us to be in an inappropriate way, Garth is not exactly the most socially adept person around. It may be how he is trying to deal with the death of Bobby, who obviously meant a lot to him, as a friend. This is the problem with the sneekpeaks this season. People seem to be setting so much by them and getting worked up without seeing the whole episode, where the clip is shown in the correct context. It's like trying to tell what will happen in a book just by reading a few pages fromt he middle. Everything seems different out of context.

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  31. Megan_B3 November 2012 at 00:15

    I understand how you feel, I wasn't too happy when i first saw the promo pics with Garth trying to dress like Bobby and ''try to be him''

    But after seeing the clip, I think he's more wanting to do the job right and have no clue what he's doing than just wanting to imitate him. as for ''no tie to Bobby'', its sad to say, but how much exactly do we know Bobby and his connections? there was some lines here and there by couple of hunters that sounded like many knew him, the closest we came to found out was by the numbers of call to his 'fake' phones Bobby had. He seemed to be helping a LOT of hunters. Bobby sounded in 6x04 that he seemed to know Garth +/- well (asking how he was still alive, look like it wasn't the first time garth did something like that) and he trusted Garth enough to be Dean's backup in S7. If you met a ''tie'' to Bobby and the boys...everyone is dead :S It was either Garth or a complete stranger for us. It's just me and you can totally disagree, but I prefer a social akward guy who's trying to do the right thing and we know than a total stranger appearing and going : I'm taking Bobby's job so suck it up.

    Bobby's job (the ''fake phone'' part, and maybe the information part too, not talking at all about the ''emotional part) needed to be taken by someone. At some point, Bobby's subject needed to be approch

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  32. lsbloom3 November 2012 at 00:29

    If I'm wrong, I'll come back and say it and I'll apologize. But the clip is pretty clear to me, and usually my opinions don't change.


    Frankly, I don't give a crap how Garth deals with the death of Bobby. :) I care how the boys deal and I care how I as an audience member feel. But no, I don't think I need to be taking it easy on a character I don't really like feeling bad about Bobby. Garth may be a casual acquaintance, but I loved Bobby. Sam and Dean are the audience entrance to the show, so Bobby was family to me. And Garth is some lame third cousin twice removed crying way too hard at the funeral and not respecting the genuine mourners. But if I change my mind, I'll say so.

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  33. Miss Supernatural3 November 2012 at 00:29

    Very well said!

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  34. lsbloom3 November 2012 at 00:30

    I see where you are coming from. For me, hitting the problem of someone taking on the Bobby role by having Garth become a fake Bobby is too meta and it is too tongue in cheek. I would have preferred that they addressed it with more sensitivity.


    Off the cuff thinking about it, I could have used Sheriff Mills.

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  35. Megan_B3 November 2012 at 00:41

    That's why Dean is angry and that's why he has to right to be^^;, but if at the end of the day (episode) Garth realize his mistake, dress up normal and start acting normal cause he learned his lesson. That would be fine by me. If he even apology that would be a huge plus, but...he's Garth. He's the incarnation of the socially akward penguin^^;...we'll see


    :) ahhhh Jody,miss her. I wish we'll see her again. Maybe one day she'll become a real hunter, I wish.... she lost enough to the supernatural to have the motivation to take the big step...But until she become one and gather some experience/info on her own, she can't really guide others hunters...one day maybe, one day :)

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  36. Megan_B3 November 2012 at 01:23

    He never said he had a ''claim on Bobby beyond what the brothers had'', just that Bobby didn't belong only to them. My best friend loves me a LOT and we're very close, but she has other friends than me, she has other people she's close to. Just because I'm her best friend doesn't mean she only belong to me. Same thing here

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  37. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 02:46

    Of course there are probably only about 10 Sam fans left in the online community, but here is another "brother" for Dean whether he wants him or not. Garth got pretty attached to Dean last season. It's really nice that Dean gets another little bonding (or failing to bond) moment with someone. He really doesn't get many of those these days... Yes, that was sarcasm.

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  38. nellymendezcolon3 November 2012 at 04:24

    ..common.dean dont be so rough on garth ,he is right you and sam are edging in a very dangerous zone and also bobby heps everybody dont be so melodramatic or drag-weeping queen

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  39. Dahne3 November 2012 at 05:13

    Based on the number of "Sam is getting shafted" comments on the last several threads just here on SpoilerTV, there is no doubt that the Sam fan community is alive and well online.

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  40. isleofskye3 November 2012 at 06:00

    As one of the "whiners" on this site, as all those who don't love and agree with Mr Carver's new and improved re-booted Supernatural are called, I just want to confirm my "whines."
    X
    Not happy with completely ignoring continuity and with what he has done to Sam, we are now getting a re-boot of Bobby too!
    X
    I actually think it's a good idea to have someone new who co-ordinates the hunters as Bobby did but, why make Garth want to try and imitate Bobby, be it in speech or in wearing the same type of clothes?
    Can he not bring his own personality to the job?
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    Then we were led to believe that crusty old Bobby had a special emotional relationship with Sam and Dean, and while he obviously knew many other hunters, the only ones that he had this sort of father/ son thing going with was the Winchesters.
    Now Carver has twisted things round to include Garth as Bobby's third "son".
    X
    Then reading the synopsis for the time travel episode with two new guest stars, time travelers whom Sam and Dean "stumble" across, I can see that the days are gone when it was the the Winchesters who journeyed through time, now we get the guest stars doing that for them too.
    X
    When you carve the heart out of a living body the rest of it dies.
    Sam and Dean hunting together, with their brotherly caring and bond were the heart of the show for me, and no amount of guest stars, be they the most wonderful of actors, can take the place of that.
    X
    It's good that a lot of people enjoy Sam and Dean being separated and interacting with others, coming together for only a handful of minutes on-screen, but it's not what I watch for.


    I

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  41. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 06:55

    Not counting isleofskye (who posted recently), I did some quick stats. Now, not counting the fact that I am more of a "I WANT THE WINCHESTERS TOGETHER 24/7" kind of fan... It is Sam that is primarily missing from that equation and he is the one that is totally out of character (Of course he would have looked for Dean!!!) so he is the one that I am talking about the most.

    In this thread, I was the only complainer. There were 25 unique posters, but only 1 complaint.

    The Title Change, nobody complained.

    Nobody complained on the Ratings thread (although there was a complaint about the lack of Sam & Dean in ep 4).

    On the review thread, nobody complained although a poster Jann was mentioned, but I didn't find their post. So, maybe there was a complaint.

    On the Southern comfort promo thread, there were 17 unique posters, two complained.

    On the What did you think of Blood Brothers thread, there were 42 unique posters and 7 complained. Now, those 7 include people that complained that it was a Benny centric episode right after an episode that was practically Winchester-less. Only two people ranted (yes I was one).


    If we go back to the beginning of season 6 or even the near the end of 7, there would have been a lot more people complaining that Dean has 3 buds vying for his attention, not counting Sam.


    However, that doesn't even begin to cover my primary complaint. I have been living with a nearly invisible Sam since the beginning of Season 4. I am pretty used to it. This year it has changed. Not only do they have the boys fighting, they have chosen to totally revert Sam back to his "I want out of hunting" phase, including looking at colleges. The only thing new in that equation is the dog. For years Sam has said I'm not that guy any more. Dean has been the one yearning for normal. Dean has been the one that didn't see a point to hunting any more. It took him years to get to that point.


    Sam flipped in the blink of an eye though. The Trickster couldn't get him to let Dean go no matter what he did. Hell memories couldn't get Sam to leave Dean alone... but, a little bit of panic, driving around to clear his head and hitting a dog. That was the ticket to make him turn his back on his brother. For all he knew Dean was dropped off with Castiel in the Grand Canyon with amnesia... but he just didn't bother looking. Sam had the incredible treasure trove of books that could save people's lives, but he just turned off all of his phones.


    I call BS.

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  42. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 07:04

    I love your post. Killing Bobby just about killed me. I think this episode is going to be tough to deal with. I like Garth and think of him as a very positive person. One hates to crush that kind of optimism, but this scenario kind of gives me the shivers. I got irritated when I thought they were going to put Frank in the Bobby position... but Garth? That is just wrong.


    I don't mind the boys at odds as long as there is obvious love underneath it all. But, that has been missing and it is killing me. I haven't pushed Supernatural on anybody since 7x03. I used to approach anybody that commented on my T-shirts, or the posters, calendars, etc that I had at work. I just changed jobs and I think I will just hang up my calendar and I will be good to go.


    That just makes me sad. My mantra was always that I watched for the brother bond. Now, I watch because I hope to see it again some day for more than a fleeting moment.

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  43. isleofskye3 November 2012 at 07:30

    I agree and I don't thik they should have killed Bobby in the first place .

    They could have scaled him down if they wanted to, but everyone loved his character and I think that to have eliminated him was a big mistake.

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    I don't in any way object to guest stars.

    Allthough I would be quite happy with seeing Sam and Dean on-screen bantering, arguing, throwing punches researching, driving around in the Impala, etc, for the whole hour, I understand that it's not possible. :)
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    However before, even when the boys weren't on screen, it was all about them, the guest stars were there to enhance the brothers' story but now they are there to take the focus away from the boys for some unfathomable reason.


    For me the magic is being lost.

    It's not enough to see the boys on-screen.
    If i want to just admire them I can hang posters all around the house. I want good writing and coinvolging stories too, but if the majority of fans are happy with what we're getting and the ratings keep good, then Carver will just probably keep going in this same direction, ignoring all that went before.

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  44. sharonally3 November 2012 at 07:54

    Sam's not getting shafted he is being let down by a showrunner who thought I will take Sam back to season 1 and thought I will not have Sam look for Dean because we havent done that before and it is Sam so we can take the risk.And besides Dean's got Benny .

    As for the clip I like Garth and I am glad he spoke up . It probably helps I was never a believer in the Bobby surrogate father to Sam belief. And add that Dean frankly gets on my twat at times so Garth who is a good lad who maybe sometimes doesnt get it right but neither does Dean can want to help as it makes him feel less inadequate he knows he will never be the best hunter in the world but he is trying to take what he has learnt and do his best.

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  45. comicfangirl3 November 2012 at 08:24

    I totally agree!
    This single clip makes me hate Garth on the show even more!

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  46. isleofskye3 November 2012 at 08:29

    I just wanted to say that I haven't been posting in the last couple of days out of sadness and sheer fed-up-ness with all the gushing and praise for how wonderful this season is, and honestly I just couldn't take any more of it, so I just didn't bother posting, but I feel it's not fair to the show I love not to intervene and defend both Sam and Dean.

    X

    It's obvious that Sam is going to be the one that gets talks about the most for the terrible wrong that is being done to him, and if by any chance this is all a "perception" thing, a dream or hallucination; that can't take away fron the fact that a good number of episodes will remain in which the brothers are out of synch with each other, and be forever so depressing to watch.
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    As for the poster Jann. he/she vented all his dislike for the gushing that was going on in the reviewer's article, and he defended Sam, but I think his post was deleted primarily because it contained the phrase "I h-te you , Carver"

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  47. Indy3 November 2012 at 12:17

    "Then reading the synopsis for the time travel episode with two new guest stars, time travelers whom Sam and Dean "stumble" across, I can see that the days are gone when it was the the Winchesters who journeyed through time, now we get the guest stars doing that for them too."

    Aren't you overreacting a bit? They're not replacing anyone. It's like saying angels or vampires should have never become part of the show, or that there shouldn't have been other hunters.

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  48. Indy3 November 2012 at 12:17

    "Then reading the synopsis for the time travel episode with two new guest stars, time travelers whom Sam and Dean "stumble" across, I can see that the days are gone when it was the the Winchesters who journeyed through time, now we get the guest stars doing that for them too."

    Aren't you overreacting a bit? They're not replacing anyone. It's like saying angels or vampires should have never become part of the show, or that there shouldn't have been other hunters.

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  49. Indy3 November 2012 at 12:17

    "Then reading the synopsis for the time travel episode with two new guest stars, time travelers whom Sam and Dean "stumble" across, I can see that the days are gone when it was the the Winchesters who journeyed through time, now we get the guest stars doing that for them too."

    Aren't you overreacting a bit? They're not replacing anyone. It's like saying angels or vampires should have never become part of the show, or that there shouldn't have been other hunters.

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  50. Indy3 November 2012 at 12:17

    Regarding the time travellers...

    Aren't you overreacting a bit? They're not replacing anyone. It's like saying angels or vampires should have never become part of the show, or that there shouldn't have been other hunters.

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  51. Indy3 November 2012 at 12:18

    (sorry for any double posts, Disqus won't let me see what I posted)

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  52. Jess Connor3 November 2012 at 13:00

    I am so sad about how they are treating the brothers. They are making Sam so OOC that he is not recognizable and Dean so nasty that he is not fun to watch. Dean's snark used to have some humor in it; now it is just mean.

    I've been making my opinion known on other web sites and to Jim Michaels, one of the producers, on Twitter, as well as here. Unfortunately, I don't think Sam, or brother, fans really matter.

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  53. isleofskye3 November 2012 at 15:25

    I 'm aware that guest stars are needed to carry along the plots and I've been fine with that in the past.
    I've liked all the various Gordons,Ash, Ellen, Bela etc, but then there was no shadow of a doubt that the Brothers were centre to everything.
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    Last season and this, that has no longer been the case, with the guest stars getting much more limelight and importance than before, especially now.
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    In this case, the synopsis that has been given is very detailed about the time travellers, practically more detailed than what we get on the brothers, and so, yes for me this looks to be another episode where this new character and his demon/Abbadon friend:-----

    ["Described as "Robert Downey Jr. meets Cary Grant,"
    Henry is dapper, smart, and considerably cocky... until he rips open a
    time portal and finds himself hurtled into 2013, where he's a little off
    his game. He doesn't time-travel alone, though. He's followed through
    the portal by 28-year-old Josie Sands, a sexy, strong Katharine Hepburn
    type... with a secret.,]

    -------become centre to the story, taking aways from the brothers again.

    Perhaps you will be right and the brothers will be important to the episode. If so I'll welcome that and admit my mistake.

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  54. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 17:00

    Exactly... although I do hang unobtrusive posters anyway :-) I love the old Christmas poster with Sam looking at the saw with sticky bits on it :-)


    I have usually loved the guest stars also. Henricksen, alpha Vamp, even one-off characters like Sarge are great. However, I don't like the episodes where the other characters are primary. Even when it is a great episode, it isn't Supernatural unless it is about the boys. The closest thing I can come to a favorite episode that is not Winchester centric is Weekend at Bobby's. I absolutely loved it, but I have only watched it about 3 times.


    I really do watch for the brotherly bond between Sam and Dean... not Dean and Castiel or Dean and Bobby or Dean and Benny or Dean and Garth or Sam and Ruby or Sam and Lucifer (although those were always fun)... I want to see Sam and Dean saving people, hunting things, and hugging it out afterward... or slugging it out, whichever fits is good with me :-)

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  55. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 17:05

    He seems to only mean when he is talking to Sam right now. The fact that the writers had Sam not look for him might be a big cause of that. He was nice and snarky with Benny. Although this promo does look like he is really harsh to poor Garth too. Dean used to be really mean to Sam when Dad died also. He probably deals with grief by getting angry. If he can ignore it everything is smooth. When his loss is flaunted in his face he gets angry.

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  56. Debbie Combs3 November 2012 at 17:10

    I have stayed off for long periods of time also. What is really bothering me is that most of the people that I used to be able to talk with have given up the show. I have been to about 16 fan conventions and I am getting ready to give it up too and it breaks my heart. So far this season isn't as bad as I feared. From the spoilers and Jensen's comment about Sam not working that much this season, I truly expected to never see Sam at all. So, except for episode 4 things have been better than I expected.


    Again, I am sad that I am happy that I get to see one of my favorite characters even when he is so OOC that he is practically unrecognizable at times. I would just like to rewind and find out that Sam did look for him, but he got a concussion and lost his memory about what happened... that is why he has reverted to season 1 Sam.

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  57. Dahne3 November 2012 at 17:45

    I don't dispute that Sam is out of character at all. He is and I too am unsure of where Jeremy Carver is leading with this. I too am less than impressed by what Jeremy has shown us so far and I too want the brother relationship fixed now. What I do dispute is your claim that the Sam fan faction has left the online discussion. I would argue that there are more people standing up for Sam right now than any other character, both here and on other sites I visit. There is no shortage of people who come to defend Sam over and over again at every site I go to even if no one is attacking him. I'm not saying I haven't seen people attacking him because I have - why they are attacking Sam instead of the powers that be I don't know - but even when posters are neutral, people are on the defensive about Sam. They are online and they are vocal, just like every other faction of the fandom. For once, I too hope Jeremy retcons the heck out of this season. We need to see why Sam didn't look for Dean and it needs to be a very good reason. Or we need to see that Sam did look for Dean but he has a very good reason to lie to him about it. I hope we get that soon because the characters and the fandom need it in my opinion. I was not so high on the horse about Jeremy taking over as many fans were, mostly because I was not as down on Sera as they were. Still he's quickly losing people who were his biggest fans so I hope for his and the show's sake, they have a plan to fix this mess by the time we get back from the midseason hiatus. In fact, I hope that the shadow outside Amelia's house is part of it.

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  58. Dahne3 November 2012 at 17:50

    Have you seen any of the season 8 episodes yet? I know that last year you hadn't seen the season 7 episodes. If you haven't, perhaps you will like this season better after you have seen it even coming in with preconceived notions about how it is going. I'm not saying you will but I wouldn't let others' opinions make up yours before you have the ability to see the show for yourself.

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  59. isleofskye3 November 2012 at 21:30

    You yourself have said that the quality of the episodes is at best mediocre and I know that you have studied them in depth.

    Even if one has not seen the current episodes, facts are facts, not preconceived notions.
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    1) Sam did not look for Dean, he didn't even attempt to. This to me is completely unacceptable.

    2) When they did meet, Sam did not even seem happy to see him. Another unacceptable fact.

    3) Dean has become brothers with a vampire, one of the things that he used to hunt. How is this possible for Dean Winchester as we knew him? In this case it is Dean who is ooc.

    4) Sam is continually shown as being annoyed at Dean's return, harping on about wanting normal every chance he gets, yet we are supposed to believe that he's super worried about Dean being friends with a vampire.

    He should be happy to get rid of him at this point!

    5) We have had five episodes, one in which the brothers were practically absent and the others with hardly any brother moments, and some episodes in which they have been only wallpaper.

    6) We are meant to feel something for these two new characters, Amelia who treats poor Sam like an old shoe, and Benny whom we are supposed to feel empathy with because he lost his one true love; but does anybody really care ?

    7) Everything that Carver is doing has been done before and it was done better.

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    Sam wanting normal.

    One of the brothers trusting a monster and it causing friction between the Winchesters.

    Trying to make the other brother trust and accept him.

    Then, is Benny good or is he evil?

    Sam's reboot of Dean with Lisa.

    Trying to be more empathic towards monsters , etc. etc.

    X

    Before it was Sam and Dean, two humans navigating a Supernatural world but now it seems that Carver is emphasising how supernatural beings are navigating the human world, much more similar to Being Human than SPN.

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    Even Purgatory is badly set up.

    Dean was in Purgatory with a body. How did he survive without food? Was his soul separated from his body? What happens to souls who are killed in Purgatory seeing that they are already dead?

    Why was Hell ten years to a month, and Purgatory equal to Earth time; there should have been a slight time shift there too, if we want to be logical.

    X

    As for a good reason why Sam did not look for Dean, perhaps there will be, although I'm not very optimistic about that but even if there is, it might come too late.
    X

    In all honesty can you yourself say that what you have seen so far and how the season seems to be shaping up, is going to make this a memorable one?.

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  60. Dahne3 November 2012 at 22:11

    Yes, I think that 2 of the 5 episodes this year have been mediocre and one downright awful, but that is only my opinion. I have seen the episodes and I'm not riding as high on them as many people are. You have not seen the episodes. I'm simply saying that it may be prudent for you to actually see the episodes before complaining about them or making up your mind sight unseen. There are many ways to view an episode these days. Watch them and then make your mind up and talk about them.

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  61. chris6844 November 2012 at 00:49

    Isleofskye,

    I've certainly been critical too, but I agree with Dahne that you should watch the episodes before making up your mind. The only true fact in your list of facts is that we've had five episodes.

    1) It's never been confirmed that Sam didn't look for Dean. We haven't seen what Sam did after Dean disappeared, and when Dean asked him if he looked, Sam didn't answer.
    2) Whether Sam looked happy or not is up to interpretation. My opinion is that there's more going on than what we know yet.
    3) Dean has become friends with a monster, yes. How that has become possible is being shown in the episodes.
    4) Sam is shown being continually annoyed at Dean's harping at him for choosing not to hunt. Whether he is also annoyed at Dean's return is up to interpretation.
    5) We've had five episodes - correct. One was Sam and Dean light, true, but I wouldn't say they were practically absent. In the others have had a lot of Sam and Dean interaction. While I wouldn't call it affection, although there have been occasional worried looks, I would call it honest sibling friction that speaks to a bond still being there, even if they are having issues. In some ways they seem more in tune with each other this season than they did last season when they acted more like co-workers.
    6) I don't know if we are meant to feel anything for Amelia and Benny yet or not. With Amelia, we've mostly saw her first meetings with Sam, so I wouldn't categorize her as treating him "like an old shoe." It was more that she's going through her own issues and doesn't know what to make of Sam yet. As for Benny, he was portrayed sympathetically in the last episode. What you take away from that is up to you.
    7) "Everything that Carver is doing has been done before and it was done better." Uhm, not really. We don't know what Carver is doing yet, and by that I mean where he is going, so we can't say whether it's been done before.

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  62. Caz744 November 2012 at 06:27

    i so agree with what you have written. Each point is correct and as to Dean being 'brothers' with a vampire, I equate that with a film like The Defient ones, where they hate eachother to begin with, but their shared circumstances gradually bring them round to working with each other. Multiply this by 300, for a year and not just a couple of days, and you get to the friendship between Dean and Benny.
    Also if Sam is not happy about having Dean back, why did he drive to find Dean as soon as he knew he was in trouble. They showed him speeding to get to his brother. How is that not happy to see him?
    As to the five episodes, there have been lost of brother moments. It is important to remember that they have grown since the beginning and are now in their thirties instead of their twenties. The dynamics of any relationship change over time, and this is reflected in the moments between the brothers being different than they used to be.
    I love Supernatural and both Sam and Dean and I feel this season has started really well and I am interested in where it is going. I am quite happy to just enjoy the ride whilst we find out what happened ot Sam and also if Benny is evil or not, although I hope he isn't.

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  63. comicfangirl5 November 2012 at 08:09

    I would recommend watching what you judge, otherwise it is all hearsay and speculation based on almost little to no facts.

    As for most of your questions chris684 is right, it is wait and see how the season unfolds. But without watching, I suppose you just have to keep guessing and prejuding.

    But to each its own I guess.

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  64. comicfangirl5 November 2012 at 11:23

    Didn't you say you don't watch Supernatural anymore, neither season 7 nor season 8?

    So what about "but it's not what I watch for"?

    I'm curious, you don't watch now and probably don't plan to in the forseeable future, because you think your expectations won't be met anyway.

    So what is your problem with those episodes you don't even bother to watch?

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  65. Cheryl Wiehr5 November 2012 at 19:59

    Yay Garth for trying to carry on what Bobby wanted and standing up for yourself!

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