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POLL : What did you think of Fringe - Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There?

Nov 10, 2012

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77 comments:

  1. Ricky TerryNovember 10, 2012 at 3:07 AM

    Holy Moly! Will be back later with more complete thoughts...

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  2. Totallyaddicted005November 10, 2012 at 3:09 AM

    Good.


    I felt like they were signing Walter's death notice on the train at the end with "Dad" from peter and his whole "don't forget about me" or whatever that was "I'm losing myself, what you helped me become" as Peter is doing the same thing/losing himself.


    The alley scene was cool. I still don't like that Peter has the piece in his head. Kinda mad at him for that honestly. I don't know what Peter saw at the end in the blue vision. Maybe it was just that he was seeing in blue. I'm glad Liv is catching on this fast hopefully she can get the chip out of him ASAP before he is fully gone.


    Great shot with the symbol of Etta/Resist after the alley scene. Peter teleporting (looks like he got control of that fast) and then snapping the obs. neck from behind, crafty. BUT sad and I REALLY DON'T WANT HIM TO TURN INTO AN OBSERVER. We've beenw waiting for Liv to turn into who she's becoming now and its gonna get ripped from her again and she is gonna revert to fenced of Liv and we DO NOT want that.


    Scary at the end the way Peter looked at that hat, I'm sure it was b/c he could predict that the obs. was gonna be blown up but, looked like to me that he was ready to wear it to which I say NOOOOOOOOOO!


    7/10 WHERE THE heck is Astrid! Why disn't she follow or them even wait for her into the pocket universe.

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  3. Pablo Troncoso UriarteNovember 10, 2012 at 3:14 AM

    One of the best in a very long time. I've been enjoying the season, but this is one of my favorite of the whole series for sure

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  4. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 3:20 AM

    Wow,what an outstanding episode..I need time to collect my thoughts,wow,wow,wow!


    Peter is freaking me out with that damn devise in his neck....seeing blue on the bus,getting as strong as the Observers (knew that was going to happen).

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  5. chris684November 10, 2012 at 3:22 AM

    Excellent episode. I'm not feeling very verbal at the moment so I'll probably just like everyone else's better worded comments.

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  6. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 3:23 AM

    Yes,so much to take in and digest..

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  7. DarqueModeNovember 10, 2012 at 3:39 AM

    Interesting episode.

    I loved the nod to fans of placing the glyphs on the apartment doors! It felt like a "Thank you" note from the showrunners! :)

    It will be interesting to see exactly how Peter's "upgrade" turns out. If he is turning into an Observer will he be "connected" to the collective via a hive mentality? Will Widmark be able to know where Peter is or what he is thinking similar to horcrux situation with
    Voldemort being able to read Harry Potter? I don't think that would be a good thing for Fringe team!

    I still say that while Peter is going down that bald and stoic road.... I do not think he will completely evolve into an Observer. I think his emotions will be too powerful to allow the tech to turn him completely. Specifically I think his love for Olivia and Walter will pull him out before he completes the evolution.

    In the meantime I absolutely loved Peter turning the tables on cueball #3! XD

    There was a short learning curve involved as Peter tapped into the implant (or the implant tapped into Peter), but he rather quickly out "Observer-ed" the Observer! XD


    If Walter needs an empath perhaps Peter v2.0 can use his Observer skills to feel whatever is needed to complete the plan?


    Overall this was a great episode to me. It had a lot of great character moments and moved the story forward somewhat, but mostly it showcased Peter's post-implant evolution which I find fascinating!


    The radio is stuck to a frequency.... will someone broadcast to them or is that locked frequency a maybe related to the natural frequency between any given two universes like the frequencies used to send Fauxlivia from Red to Blue etc...




    ETA:
    I will have to watch the episode again and double check something...

    Peter mentioned that Cecil broke into the apartments when he talked to Walter at the end of the episode, but Walter never mentioned to Peter that Cecil "broke in" to Peter. He only said he arrived there via a case of unfortunate events I thought. how did Peter know Cecil broke in? Continuity error or maybe a scene was edited and that bit of conversation was removed?
    Then again, maybe I missed the relevant dialog when Walter told Peter Cecil broke in.... XD

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  8. DarqueModeNovember 10, 2012 at 3:55 AM

    I'm wondering if the Etta "Resist" sign is and subconscious note from Peter to himself....
    It seems like we saw the first posters not long after Peter inserted the implant and the second after Peter used the implant or accessed the Observer skills.


    If we are still within the machine maybe it is Peter trying to communicate to himself , or even to others.

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  9. AfinoNovember 10, 2012 at 4:14 AM

    I had FUN watching Fringe tonight. Haven't had that feeling in a while :)

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  10. So ContagiousNovember 10, 2012 at 5:37 AM

    Okay, my thoughts:

    First, this episode really emphasized something that I've always thought - Peter is the emotional center of the Bishop family. Both Olivia and Walter leaned on him tonight, and clearly are trying to connect with him to get over their current respective issues - Walter regressing, the loss of Etta. What will the two of them do if Peter starts to become an Observer in the more emotionless sense? He's always been this sort of anchor for the two of them, and it will be interesting to see what they do if they start to lose that.


    Second, if Peter were the original Observer, the Observers would have been more upset when he got disappeared from the timeline, and would've been happier when he came back, yes? So far as they get upset or happy about anything. In fact, they seemed rather against it at the time, if I remember correctly, the Peter coming back thing. And the Observer Peter KO'd certainly seemed to think what he did was a bad idea, so what does it mean? It certainly seems to be bad for Peter, but is it bad for the Observers, too?


    Third, while I know Peter being Observer-fied will be bad in the near future, there's a part of me that wish he could keep it without the baldy side effects. He kicked serious ass tonight.


    Fourth, just a great episode. Olivia opening up was both sweet and heartbreaking, all the callbacks and hints were excellent, and that last scene with Peter and Walter killed me. We all know what happens, though, when Peter calls Walter "Dad" - immediate badness. Also, loved the pocket universe. Very trippy and old school type Fringe that fit in wonderfully with this season's story line. Can't wait for next week.

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  11. DarthLocke4November 10, 2012 at 5:40 AM

    Loved it!

    For me, this one really leaned towards the amber time line is a Bardo plane and Peter is still in the machine theory, as the pocket universe is a metaphor for it. For a while I speculated that amber time line acts as a collective of truths that reflect many of the previous iterations of our season 1-3 timeline, where the quantum mechanics didn't match or make sense in comparison to out the other time line(s), as even blue Lincoln Lee hinted to us to "just go with it". -But I think the s5 episodes in time line point out these 'missing pieces' idea, without being too obvious that they don't quite all fit together right, because one thing just leads to another, rather than anyone thing being resolved.

    Even "Purgatory" was mentioned in relation to Seacsel's existence in the pocket universe, as Peter also says, he died the day the bombs came (a hint back to The Day We Died with Peter also experiencing another Peter's history: a previous 2026). It's for this reason I think we will not find the child Observer or Donald in the amber time line, as even having a child Observer within a pocket universe may suggest that it is something that is missing "here" (in the amber time lines) that is what might make everything different and sets the situations apart should Peter return 'home'. Donald also goes back to "August", as Donald is the name of the hit man the Observers hire to take care of if one of them should go "rogue", as falling in love seemed to mean the Observers would have to sacrifice their existence in the universe(s) in order to give up a space of mortality to a human being they believe "should" die, as apart of their desired course correction/outcome...

    If I would be right, it would be a pretty neat idea, because it would be like if in Lost there could be a little flash sideways within a flash sideways! :D (not to mention the Through the Looking Glass and What Alice found there parallels between Walter reading to a child Observer, possibly hinting at Walter being a forefather, but also like how Jack read it to David, as David, like Etta, is what the lead the characters to understand new things about themselves and the world around them, with a juxtaposition that in Lost's FS, we never saw anyone die with in it, just seem stationary or move on from it)

    I thought the lines between Peter and Walter were also priceless, because really Peter is staring his own delema right in face, as like Walter he went off to do his own selfish hubris thing, which IMO is going to result in Walter and Olivia's deaths, as I think this episode is foreshadowing where almost everyone, especially Olivia in a choke hold (like Short Story About Love) almost died again...



    I think this one was one of my favorite episodes of the season. It was real emotional and tocuhed on things that I think will be fundamentally important before the season ends.

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  12. DarthLocke4November 10, 2012 at 5:54 AM

    Well, I would say that the one Observer Peter kills did seems concerned, or at least recognized that what Peter has done is bad idea, but I got the impression it wasn't because Peter is a threat, but rather they realized it may ruin Peters humility, suggesting they some how value the difference, despite what they are doing...


    However i still think the Amber time line is a Bardo ethereal plane (a plane of death Peter arrived at after he chose balance and is still kinetically connected/with in the machine) which I feel represents many truths (many time lines), as opposed to one concrete truth, although I suspect we are being lead to most important truth of all, relating to other versions of the characters that are responsible for the Observers creation by experiencing a reality where our characters have to play 'criminals' in order to survive. This is why I think we some things that don't make a lot of sense, like if Peter would be the first pre-Observer proto-type, then why wouldn't they react stronger to it and again I think it's because this place is reflective of truths, but not the whole or original truth.

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  13. MutsieNovember 10, 2012 at 6:25 AM

    Wow ... It was having a trip myself... Peter, Peter oh My dear Peter ... you're soo gonna have a rough time ahead. I really hope your emotions aren't getting whiped... and Walter, awww !!! *HUG*
    ♥

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  14. So ContagiousNovember 10, 2012 at 6:56 AM

    That sounds like an interesting ending to a book or movie, but a thoroughly frustrating one for a TV show. I mean, what, this is all some alternate plane that will be rendered moot when Peter ultimately steps out of the machine at the end of the series? Which would negate everything from the end of season three onwards. Although Bardo is like a kind of purgatory, or the place between one life and the next, right? They did talk about purgatory tonight. Still, I hope you're wrong - no offense, but that would not be even a little satisfying as an ending to me. Unless I misunderstand what you're trying to say, which is certainly possible. I'm not entirely up on my Buddhism, and I can't say I usually use it to explain science fiction twists.

    I would say the same about the Observer, except they really don't seem to get human emotions, generally speaking. It's not even that they don't care about them, but that they just literally don't get it. Like last week, when the Observer couldn't understand why it mattered that Etta was gone. I think it might be more likely that he doesn't think Peter is biologically compatible with the implant in quite the same way that the Observers are, and that it will do bad things to him, even kill him. I don't think they get emotions, but they seem to rather be alive than dead given the option, so I think he'd see that as a "grave mistake."

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  15. Crystal CarrilloNovember 10, 2012 at 7:02 AM

    Awesome ep tonight! It was so nice to watch and not want to burst into tears for a change.


    Did anyone else notice that Peter read Walter's mind on the monorail? Peter wasn't there when Cecil told Walter about breaking into the apartment, so he couldn't have known otherwise.

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  16. ShOwFrEaKNovember 10, 2012 at 7:17 AM

    Maybe the Observer was trying to indicate to Peter that he'll become something that he'll be despise off rather than look at it as a benefit. Observers know that humans hate them, so Peter becoming more like them can be considered by the Observer as an illogical action by Peter. I do agree that the Observer's concern wasn't due to Peter soon to be emotionally impaired.

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  17. ShOwFrEaKNovember 10, 2012 at 7:22 AM

    You're right! That would make sense why Peter knew about the little detail of how Cecil got trapped in the pocket universe. Lol, for a second, DarthLocke4's theory on Peter still hooked up to the machine kind of made sense, when I couldn't think of how Peter knew about why Cecil was in the apartment in the first place.

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  18. ShOwFrEaKNovember 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM

    Crystal Carrillo gave a good possible and probable reason of how Peter knew about Cecil breaking into the apartment.

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  19. ShOwFrEaKNovember 10, 2012 at 7:42 AM

    Knock Knock Knock Knock, "Is that Raspberry filling, Raspberry is it?" That was sure funny of Walter being deviated from his mission. I don't know about you, but Peter called Walter by his name, but not "Dad", makes it truly special when he does say it like when he did at the end of today's episode.

    Also, did anyone notice Walter's left eye, when Peter confronted Walter over him not allowed to leave the lab unannounced. It was like a white spot or something, I don't know if it was my TV being glitchy or hidden meaning, hmmm. Can someone verify if what I saw wasn't a glitch after all.

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  20. TayaP7November 10, 2012 at 8:42 AM

    Amazing episode!

    Loved every bit of it. Pocket universe is awesome, hope this isn't the end of it and we get to see it again. It's great how they reintroduced the 'little Observer'. I wonder how many of them are there, and how was Walter able to find him without Olivia and Peter's help, since we don't even know if the "Inner Child" episode happened in alternate timeline?
    And of course, one of the most obvious questions - who the heck is Donald? It was funny how they avoided showing his face throughout the entire episode - it could be that we already know him, it would explain the whole secrecy.
    Terrific performances from whole cast, they never cease to amaze me. I can't wait to see where are they going to take all these characters.
    And I don't think it's the last time we got to see Cecil and that 'Terminator Lady' :
    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/PqUphcG9WK-/Stars+On+The+Set+Of+Fringe/1OnK8iG6AnF
    http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/PqUphcG9WK-/Stars+On+The+Set+Of+Fringe/FywAV2zr83_

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  21. LeliforeverNovember 10, 2012 at 8:46 AM

    I saw it as well...I think it was just lighting but I could be wrong...because as he keeps talking it gets smaller and it moves on the top of his eyeball...It actually really distracted me!

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  22. LeliforeverNovember 10, 2012 at 8:48 AM

    What hat?I thought he was looking all serious because of the blue thing and then I read a post on Tumblr that said "did you see him at the end?I had to rewind 3 times to point him out" and I 've been staring at my screen for the past 10 minutes and I see nothing!
    Do you mean the man sitting behind Astrid-cause his hat doesn't look like an Obs-hat to me...

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  23. AthinaxyNovember 10, 2012 at 9:18 AM

    The Leader of the Observers looks very similar to Peter, doesn't he?

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  24. MurderMondaysNovember 10, 2012 at 11:45 AM

    Maybe the Resist posters is the "Bad Wolf" grafitti of Fringe.

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  25. MurderMondaysNovember 10, 2012 at 11:47 AM

    John Noble has had cataract surgery which sometimes has that effect. You can notice it in some other episodes too if you keep an eye out.

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  26. LemonworldNovember 10, 2012 at 12:49 PM

    Wow! Amazing episode, the best of the season for sure. And actually, the first of the season that I've *really* enjoyed. The previous episodes I had quite the feeling that this season was just of a diferent show, with little to no connection to the past 4 years. Yes yes, I know, of course there's plenty of connections but still it did not feel like that to me. This episode with its many callbacks fixed that for me. Walter fearing that he's turning into his old self was just icing on the cake after I was already completely sold on the episode. Also loved Peter doing the blurp and snapping the Observers neck. It'll be interesting to see where the kid ended up and who Donald is, cause right now, I'm absolutely clueless (and I love it).

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  27. nellymendezcolonNovember 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM

    ..very.psychedelic episode PETER WILL BECAME A TERMINATOR.OBSERVER HUMAN hybrid STYLE.with the combine power of the three..cool..woow..awesome

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  28. DarthLocke4November 10, 2012 at 1:42 PM

    believe he will go back to his time line and there will something pending, some final delema that he will have the ability to solve that relates to his experience, thus saving Henry and Henrietta from a far too short-lived existentialism...what he gains from Bardo (which is actually the philosophical point of Bardo = enlightenment) will give him the knowledge he needs to make a better future for all of them.

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  29. lostrocks4everNovember 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM

    amazing!!

    loved it all

    so happy astrid finally got to leave the lab but annoyed she didn't get to go into the pocket.
    felt so sad for walter at the end. he is tunring back into the old him.
    i both love and hate the new peter. i wanna see what happens and more of what he can do but at the same time i know its wrong and i want olivia to find out and make him get rid of it.

    also, how exaclty was that kid an observer?

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  30. grapes9h5November 10, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    Brilliant episode!!!! THe Inner Child!!!! He just has to be young September. I've always said it, but now it just has to be it.

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  31. tsavonglah08November 10, 2012 at 2:13 PM

    The old...becoming what you are fighting against. So Donald...who can it be?? Any connection to the Disney/Lucasfilm merger perhaps? :D

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  32. LouNovember 10, 2012 at 3:05 PM

    Yay the kid Observer is back and like others have said it has to be September right?


    The bigger question right now is who is Donald? Is it someone we know with a different name? Is it someone connected to them? Why was he helping Walter and why did Walter seem to trust him? Is it September with hair?


    Lots of questions but I am liking how Peter is turning into a right badass. I am worried about Walter though.

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  33. overandbackNovember 10, 2012 at 3:11 PM

    Peters new power is showing it's positive side right now. I fear there's a very dark negative side yet to be seen. Exactly what,who knows? The Observer implant needs to be removed, but that may be impossible. Peter's keeping it secret and may soon not be able to reveal having it. Walter being worried about changing for the worse after the parts of of his brain being returned. And Peter reassuring him as his own brain was literally changing,was excellent. Loved the episode.

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  34. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 3:37 PM

    You and i think alike,and although Peter by implanting the devise in his neck is giving them an edge,maybe even a level playing field,i am worried what it is doing to him.I can't believe it would be anything good... And Walter,again, what an amazing actor he is! He keeps bringing this character to new heights,and he also keeps breaking my heart,that scene with Peter on the bus was simply heart wrenching,yet beautiful. I loved this episode,...but thinking about it i love them all for various reasons but this was an outstanding episode!

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  35. DarthLocke4November 10, 2012 at 3:38 PM

    At times he does remind me of both Peter and Walter[nate], but he also reminds me of Monroe, the guy working for Walternate in the other alternate future presented in "The Day We Died"...

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  36. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 3:58 PM

    I agree,what an incredible episode,i just finished watching it again,and i'm still at a loss for words! Everything about this episode was perfect.It also reminded me of an episode of the X-Files when Mulder is on a ship,i think it was a WW2 German ship? Anyway,Mulder was searching for something and the floors/halls were almost like a maze. Ah heck,i hate this now i have to go look it up!


    When Peter was on the bus did he see something,or was he just in awe of the changes he saw taking place,with his own eyes?


    Wasn't Cecil the same guy in BG Blood and Chrome from yesterday?

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  37. DarthLocke4November 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM

    hmm I ma not sure about Cecil and B&C, I'll have to go check. I know surely it is not L.P, but it's not like BSG and Carprica actress have not been included and/or referenced...


    It's hard to say if Peter's eyesight just suddenly changed and he noticed it, or if it's also other emotional/physical transformations taking place. -What was kind of cool though is now we can see how Observers see and how it;s similar to advanced military vison-gear and holographic tech, plus how cool was it there was a women with a robotic red laser eye (like termenator or the borg or hell, a cylon!) to juxtaposition him, with her vision change being "obvious" on the outside, where Peter's in not obvious and hidden "within" (;

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  38. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 6:55 PM

    Yeah,who is Donald? I don't remember a Donald and i just finished a full re-watch of Fringe a couple of weeks ago! Disney/Lucas,ha! :D

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  39. Jim FelsNovember 10, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    Since I know about it I notice it in every episode! I thought it was some kind of clue at first too. :p

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  40. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 7:25 PM

    Its not just his eye,its also the lighting they need in order to film..I saw the same in all their eyes..

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  41. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 7:29 PM

    Well Cecil is one and the same Zack Santiago from BG and Fringe,but i still cannot find the X-File i'm thinking about! ;P

    Are you kidding,i watched the episode twice so far and i didn't see a girl/lady with a red eye! Now i gotta watch the ending again! :)

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  42. Stupot815November 10, 2012 at 9:56 PM

    The Episode you are thinking of is Triangle. One of my favourites :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(The_X-Files)

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  43. Stupot815November 10, 2012 at 10:00 PM

    Love what's happening to Peter, but apart from that this was a pretty weak episode for me.


    Did anyone else notice the severe plot hole regarding the pocket universe? The guy (Caesar?) was in there for 20 years but if felt like 5 days? Well if Walter, Peter and Liv were in there for even half an hour, A MONTH would have passed for Astrid, so why was she still laying on the floor of the room from having just been attacked by an observer?

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  44. laura3341November 10, 2012 at 10:48 PM

    That's it!!!!!!! Yes, it was one of my fav at the time too! Its been years since i have seen it.Thanks so much for telling me,i was going crazy! :)

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  45. DarqueModeNovember 10, 2012 at 10:51 PM

    I did think of that at the time, but never computed out the time difference for Astrid.

    To leave a lookout on her own for that extended period of time is just looney anyway, not to mention that Walter knew that everything collapsed in on itself (including time) within the pocket universe. Walter is scatterbrained, but to ignore that fact seems like a big deal, I agree.

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  46. neon_rubyNovember 10, 2012 at 11:46 PM

    Everything's hotting up now and I'm loving it! Peter's transformation is very interesting to watch and it was very satisfying to see him use it against an Observer. But we know it's a slippery slope. Loved the trippy house and the reintroduction of the Observer child. And John Noble once again manages to break my heart - he was amazing in that talk with Peter - brilliant father/son moment. Now to find out who the hell Donald is?!!

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  47. DarthLocke4November 11, 2012 at 12:02 AM

    She's seems to be a sort of land lady of the apartment on Ceder...She asks Walter, "What's your business here?" and he comically replies, "None of yours." :D

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  48. laura3341November 11, 2012 at 12:21 AM

    Oh yeah,her,the borg lady! I thought you meant it was someone on the bus. Yes her eye was wild,i remember the BTS shots of her..

    Thank goodness Stupo815 came to my rescue and told me the title. Triangle, ep. 6.03. If you go to Wiki you'll remember as soon as you see it..

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  49. laura3341November 11, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    Oh...Oh man,yeah,why didn't i think of that...you just bummed me out! Boy they sure screwed that up!

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  50. Ricky TerryNovember 11, 2012 at 7:25 AM

    The only Donald I remember is Donald Long from August. He was the hit-man hired by the Observers to fix the Christine Hollis situation.

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  51. TayaP7November 11, 2012 at 10:50 AM

    For the pocket universe - Good point. I somehow understood it with the help of what Peter and Walter said: "Looks like something Walter would've designed when he was tripping." and "This is a pocket universe. Time and space loop in on themselves here."

    Maybe the pocket universe really works like drugs, at least in some way - if you know where you're going and what you're doing (like Walter, Peter and Olivia, who at least knew they were facing the pocket universe), maybe it won't affect you as strong as it would affect someone who didn't have a clue what was going on in there (like Cecil), and therefore, the pocket would 'consume' all of you, bending the time and space. Just like LSD: if you know what you doing, it causes a wild trip, but it is not addictive and it doesn't cause a brain damage; but if you don't know what you're facing, it can have bad effects, depending on the psychological state of the person.

    I don't know if this makes any sense, I just saw it that way :)

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  52. Mariana AraújoNovember 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM

    Am I the only one thought had seen Charlie when Donald's back appears on the tape?
    Loved the episode so much!
    And I still think Windmark knows about what Peter did and that was his plan all along. I'm guessing he caused Etta's death to turn Peter in what he thinks he's supposed to be.

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  53. laura3341November 11, 2012 at 2:20 PM

    Yep,as soon as i goggled him i realized who he was,and remembered him.Thanks!

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  54. overandbackNovember 11, 2012 at 2:44 PM

    In the episode about the Recorders. They mentioned a man who'd gone done the mine shaft years before. The radiation had killed him,wasn't his name Donald?

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  55. Stupot815November 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM

    Not a bad explanation. I'm note sure that's what the writers intended, but for the sake of pretending such a colossal plot-hole never occurred, I'll go with this, haha.

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  56. Stupot815November 11, 2012 at 4:56 PM

    I've done a mean thing... Tweeted the Episode's writer David Fury, asking him about this problem. Haha, I hope it doesn't make him feel bad. I'm sure many others have got to him before me anyway. If he replies, I'll post what he says here.

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  57. Adam D. HarrisNovember 11, 2012 at 6:31 PM

    Another very good episode that still feels ruined by the alternate timeline...

    So Walters becoming the "man" he was before? Before when? The Walter from the original timeline? The Walter who didn't save Peter? I don't know who he was before we met this version in S4 so why should I worry?

    He also said that he has changed because of Peter?! Technically he only met him mid way through S4... I really wish they'd given more explanation and closure to the alternate timeline.

    Things like the "Inner Child" kid coming back, the case may have happened to Olivia & Peter but the story has no bearing on the events in this timeline.

    It's a big mess.

    Despite this, I enjoyed the concept of the episode itself. Sorry to say it, but Fringe just isn't must-see-TV for me anymore.

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  58. neon_rubyNovember 11, 2012 at 9:15 PM

    Yeah same guy - but he wasn't killed, he was taken away by Observers. But I just want to know who he is - they took great pains to hide his face in Walter's tape and we never heard him speak properly so it's got to be someone we've seen before in Fringe.

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  59. Stupot815November 11, 2012 at 11:58 PM

    Got a reply from David Fury on Twitter. He says: "@StuartForbes Walter & company were in the pocket for 45 minutes. For Astrid, it was six hours." - https://twitter.com/TheDavidFury/status/267773504236163073

    I can only assume that the relation in time between the 'verses is not constant, because if it were then 45 minutes would be more in the region of a month and a half (about a day per minute.

    But assuming Mr. Fury didn't just pull that figure out of his arse, the relation must be thus: The longer you spend in the pocket'verse, the faster time in the real world goes. So if 45 mins = 6 hours and 5 days = 20 years, then 6 days might equal 50 years, 7 days = 120 years, 8 days = 300 years etc. at some exponential rate. rather than being a straight linear conversion.



    Or, as the Doctor would say, maybe time is just a bit wobbly :-/

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  60. DarthLocke4November 12, 2012 at 12:09 AM

    Oh, ya...now I remember "thee" episode! :D

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  61. laura3341November 12, 2012 at 12:27 AM

    Nice of him to take the time and answer you!

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  62. DarqueModeNovember 12, 2012 at 12:48 AM

    Interesting!

    That's the thing with many SciFi series and FRINGE in particular, so much of the science is theoretical that you have to take the writers' word for it that their theory is plausible I guess.

    Never mind the fact the the team seemed to arrive at the apartment building in the afternoon and the Observer force seemed to arrive there about the same time of day, maybe mid-afternoon at latest. Shouldn't it have been dark if 6 hours later?


    At the very least I guess they are not in the Fall or Winter season (despite wearing a Fall wardrobe) since it is dark by 5pm where I am right now. XD

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  63. Stupot815November 12, 2012 at 1:25 AM

    Yeah, I pretty excited to get that reply, and then geeked out even more when I discovered he also wrote for Lost, in particular, Walkabout, which is one of my fave episodes from Season 1.


    I forgot to thank him for a great episode this week, but if I'm honest, it wasn't a very strong one for me (apart from the Peter stuff which is awesome).

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  64. Aeryn97November 12, 2012 at 2:26 AM

    Well I took Walter becoming the man he was before as the man always pushing the law of physics and the one ultimately breaking into another universe to save a boy who technically wasn't his. In S4 in his conversation with Elizabeth, he said that saving Peter was his hubris, him playing god and he should be punished for it...Both BlueWalter and AmberWalter were the same people up to the point when their mission into redverse took a different turn...

    Even thought Walter met the grown up Peter in S4, we did see that it changed him in that season itself...Through S1 to S3, Peter's presence and acceptance of his father was what I think changed Walter into 'a better man' so yeah from S4 second half to 2016 that was ampled for Walter to be impacted by his son...at least it is not that farfetched to me lol :)

    As far as the inner child is concerned, he remains a mystery in both amberverse and blueverse so not gonna comment too much on him till we get more infos

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  65. Aeryn97November 12, 2012 at 2:43 AM

    I liked the episode a lot.

    It did grab my interest throughout. So many questions...who's Donald? They made it a point to hide his face. Was it because they want to surprise us later or they didn't want to cast him yet keeping that up for when he'll be more relevant? :/ Also how did Walter find the child observer again? In what capacity would he help?

    Coming to Peter, while I always wanted them to explore his dark side, I'm very very very much worried...Will he too gradually loose all emotion? Please no...

    The end convo between father and son was heartbreaking. Walter seeking comfort from Peter sharing his inner fear of loosing himself again while in reality unbeknown to them both the son is the one rapidly slipping away...very touching parallel. I absolutely love those two, will miss them so much when it'll all ends :(

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  66. overandbackNovember 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM

    That's right,they did take him away. A memory screw up on that one.

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  67. ghaniNovember 13, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Oh, Peter ... You know how enormously bad idea implanting Observer tech is when Widmark smirks about it.

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  68. M.Z.November 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM

    ok, Am I watching another Fringe or what, because I'm suprised how high you rate these episodes.

    I loved Fringe till season 5, now it's simply BORING. I do not care for emotional Olivia, I don't give a crap over Eta. I just barely can watch the show anymore. It's illogical and I hate this idea of observers ruling the world.

    So what, there is no another universe anymore? But that was the milestone upon which the series was built. Not on observers. And this search for video tapes. And Walter who doesn't know a thing. And there is elephant in the room that no one mentions - this show doe not make sense anymore.

    So I don't understand the comments. But I think that I am not alone in my thoughts, regarding how the popularity of the show dropped. In cancellation table it is 3.11.
    That bad.

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  69. David GalliNovember 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM

    Seems like Windmark has an agenda of his own.. Peter gets his upgrade at a cost after all - that probably was under calculation (Etta's death) to instigate her father to do just that. The "grave mistake" might be another thing, though...

    On another note, seems absurd to me that the observers, so freely to kill anyone, are using weapons that do not kill against the fringe team. Is it just for plot's sake, i.e. keeping the main characters alive, or is there more to it? I'd rather the latter..

    As it happened once with September... he was saved rather then finished off after a number of betrayals that should have costed him his life. According to how the Obs treated August for his misbehavior, Sept should've been long dead (I still hope for his appearance in this season).

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  70. David GalliNovember 15, 2012 at 2:35 AM

    David Fury ‏@TheDavidFury

    @StuartForbes it means the rules in the pocket u are random, time and space are f'd up. No specific correlation with the outside.

    he answered =)

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  71. Stupot815November 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM

    Can't really argue with that, I guess... but.. if there is no correlation, then had Walter and co left the pocketverse at any other point in time, even one second later, then maybe 100 years could have passed. And Liv actualy did make her exit slightly later than the others.... it's a very lucky coincidence that she happened to re-appear in the current universe at the same time as everybody else ;-)

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  72. Ricky TerryNovember 15, 2012 at 3:26 PM

    I look at it like this: Time is looped on itself in the pocket-verse right? So as time goes by in the pocket, that loop grows exponentially larger. 45 minutes = 6 hours real time, but 50 minutes might = 10 hours, 60 minutes might = 24 hours, 120 minutes might = 48 hours, 180 = 168 (a week) and so on...

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  73. laura3341November 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM

    And its Etta,with two t's.

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  74. CrystalyteNovember 16, 2012 at 3:19 AM

    Was re-watching and I realized something. Where did Walter get that glass of milk he's drinking in the beginning of the ep when he's watching the tape? Did he de-amber the refrigerator or something?

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  75. LockeUpNovember 16, 2012 at 4:47 AM

    Any theories on the Observer boy? My mini theory is that he's September in his child form. We saw September watching the child being driven away in the car in season 1. Maybe this was him seeing his own beginning? I'm hoping this plays a part in the finale.

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  76. LockeUpNovember 16, 2012 at 4:56 AM

    I sort of felt this a the end of last season and beginning stages of this one, but the last couple weeks have begun to turn it around. I like where it's headed now.

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  77. omabinNovember 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM

    this was my favorite episode of the season. so many trowbacks to the previous seasons (the amber universe reference, the boy itself, the last scene with walter and peter which was just amazing), added to an overall very intriguing and cool plot. Really enjoyed this one.

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